Holy shit.... someone on UA-cam doing a DIY that actually researched and knows what he is taking about. That's refreshing!! I'm an industrial electrician and constantly work with 480 and 208 three phase power. This guy is spot on with voltages and Watt hours etc. Good job!!
zaq405 question though; how many people have you seen on UA-cam make a video about something and they don't know a damn thing about it. All I was trying to say is it's refreshing to see a video made by someone that is not full of shit.
TR Custom Tech. That's precisely the issue I have. Someone might burn their house down because he gained some knowledge through this video. You and I have experience which would guide us from making fatal mistakes.
zaq405 I agree with you there. I have seen people do some pretty stupid things with electricity especially when it comes to batteries. Hell I've been hit pretty good by a 24 VDC power supply. But when it comes to batteries it doesn't take very many in series to have a pretty potent power source.
*Super compact and easy to carry and travel with accessories for the electric **Generater.Systems** .I was worried this was going to be bulky or hard to use.Hooks up easy and charges quickly*
To make it optimal, we could add a BMS (Battery Management System), with cooling controlled fans, vetilation holes, with screens, and below freezing temperature shut off. Oh, and don't forget a metal box... Looks cooool! Great video! Thanks for sharing!
I loved the part where you explained how you can wire battery packs for whichever voltage you need! Nobody seems to know just how useful and versatile 18650's from laptop batteries are!
Homeboy you are a godsend. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. So grateful for people like you teaching the rest of us how to do things we would think we were never capable of.
holy guacamole! that is impressive. - I built and installed my own solar after a ton of research. Everyone i have told thinks I am crazy, including my wife, but now that i have't burned down the house, and my AC is running at 75 degrees in 105 degree weather, now they don't think I am crazy... I have considered a battery backup, but going off grid would be epic! I am seriously IMPRESSED with your work. This is my first time to the channel... and your motherboard channel. I will be spending a few more sleepless nights listening to that content you have posted.
You built it? What were your thoughts, and lessons? How much did it end up costing you? Could you improve on the design? I'm seriously considering making this myself!
@@josebravo7998 I will be more than happy to help you... I am still learning how to integrate the powerwall with the solar system. But as far as solar, it's really cool
Every thing said, the stuffs you're doing is what modern day heroes do. To me, you're among the unknown unrecognized global heroes in the making. Only a passion to share knowledge to empower people can make people do what you do. Godspeed!
Just stumbled on this and was impressed, he’s friendly and knows his stuff. Keep it at the baby level, there is a mix of capabilities watching and some have been away from any tech work for a long time;)
Cool project, I always love DIY and people who share the knowledge. To everybody else on here, right or wrong, we should be thankful for people who take the time to do a good video and share their knowledge, even if it is wrong or we don't agree with it fully. You can either learn good things, bad things and takeway (if you choose) something from things like this. Having said that, I do disagree with a few things. First the price, you only mention the batteries, wood and glass as cost on your BOM. However, and you even link to these in the video, there are many other components on the BOM. For example, the battery holders link you provide, takes me to eBay where there are holders that hold 15 batteries for 5.99 each. To buy enough of these to hold 600 batteries, it would cost $239.60 just for the holders. On top of that, there are many other items, for example the fuses, buss bars, wiring, etc... Given that, and not even factoring in labor, I think your actual BOM is more like $600-$700 (and that is assuming you still use that overpriced piece of glass). Still not bad if you want to take on a project of this magnitude. Which brings me to another point, the labor. Do you care to share how much time it takes to pull apart all the laptop batteries, test them and then arrange/solder them all together into these packs? I would venture to guess it would take many, many days. Finally, as others have pointed out, there are things like UL listing, thermal and environmental concerns, etc... that are not factored in to your solution. I love DIY, but some things that may burn my house down, I tend to proceed with caution. By the way, if you burn your house down with something DIY like this (no UL listing, etc...) you may not even be covered by your home insurance. So, my summary, while the Powerwall is $3k-$3500, that is actually a good price when you factor the BOM, labor to build and other engineering concerns. Mike
You made some good points. I liked this video because it gave a quick rundown of the battery types, how these wall units function, how batteries can be arranged for a specific power output, and how to calculate the output. All good info for the layman. On the other hand, I agree with your concerns about overall cost. Time is money too, so aside from the parts cost, labor should be factored in. Although, the enjoyment factor would negate some of the labor cost. Good video, subscribed!
Awesome, would love to see a start to finish portable version like charge the battery off solar and take it with you in a vehicle so you got a charge point on the go for long distance
It's all about the batteries.... weight and current vs. application capacity. II have a cluster of free 40 x 12V 20Ah UPS Led Acid batteries that I get to torment from time to time on my DYI UPS backup ideas. The other day I tried a load on just (1) single but good 12V Li-Ion, battery. So we dream every day of finally pulling off the grid and make good DIY stuff like you share with us. I can just say It's amazing the power one gets with no weigh from Li-Ion/ 18650 batteries. Thank you, Mr. Garcia for tons of inspiration, keep your nice production up : )
Great idea....questions: 1. By using old batteries, isn't one vastly cutting life expectancy of the pack? 2. Are the batteries easy to remove/replace when they go bad? 3. Is there some visual cue that indicates when each cell quits working, to easily facilitate changing out only the bad cells? 4. And, what happens...anything adverse...by pairing cells of different ages and wear? The box could be configured to inset between wall studs, so avoid anything much sticking out off the wall surface!
Awesome job .. I love how you de-mystify this stuff .. it benefits even those folks who know, in principle, how this stuff works. One of my degrees is in EE, and I know plenty about how this stuff works, but I tend to let my imagination run wild about the possible complications, and so never undertake a project. Being able to see it actually done from stset to finish provides needed encouragement (and insight into which parts to use etc.) Please keepep them coming!
if you have a degree in EE you must then realize, his math is off. You'll never have 4.4KWH. That is the total at 3.7v To get 12v you divide the cells into 4 groups (not 3 as he states). at that point you are down to 1.11KWH. 24v system is dividing by 8 (not 6 as he states). At that point you are down to 555WH
@@candicefrancart2060 No, he is right, as far as he goes. It is AMP hours that will change according to the Voltage. Ohm's Law: Amps times Volts = Watts. The wattage will stay the same. He is just showing that it is possible to configure these batteries into 12V/24V/36V/48V. It's up to the person putting their own system together to figure out which is best for them. :)
Hi there, You forgot to mention the costs of a control unit and an inverter, which - of course - are included in the Tesla Unit. Regards from The Netherlands, Roelof Kingma
I was working for a delivery business and seen this workshop that had 3 of the BIG industrial power walls side by side. First time I’d seen it, asked them a bunch of questions and they bacially hadn’t paid for electricity since they had them installed, and they used tools ALL DAY, shop fans, welders, hoists ect ect…
A great place to get 18650's and other batteries FOR FREE is in those used battery recycling bins that are at most electronics and hardware stores, or you can ask at a recycling facility, 18650's are in everything from cordless drill battery packs to laptop batteries.
Definitely not new,but freeeee. The ones in old laptop batteries are for sure not new, and more worn. Most cordless tools have "smart chargers" that the unit will simply not recharge , but the batteries are still perfectly usable
Wow just as I was in the verge and creative time lapse of I should build my own 18650 battery pack for an eBike this guy pops up on my UA-cam news feed. Thank you my great guy! When my build is complete I’ll be sure to credit you for everything I’ve learned from you. - Abraham desde NY, nacido en Mexico! Cheers brother!
Dude, you are so impressive. This was my original video I found but then I saw your kickstarter and then that you actually have created other products... very impressed. Thanks for your videos.
This panel can put out close to 100 watts ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxOqI2yqX0XVrhR2BMJciTWrHJpG8FhJyg when positioned in the appropriate southernly direction, tilted to the optimal angle for your latitude/date, and connected to a higher capacity device than a 500. The built in kickstand angle is a fixed at 50 degrees. Up to 20% more power can be output by selecting the actual date and latitude optimal angle.The 500 will only input 3.5A maximum at 18 volts for 63 watts. Some of the excess power from the panel can be fed into a USB battery bank, charged directly from the panel while also charging a 500. This will allow you to harvest as much as 63 + 15 = 78 watts.If this panel is used to charge a larger device, such as the power station, then its full output potential can be realized.
Great project.. Its got me thinking. I don't know why you included the price of the wood in your project costs but didn't include the wires, wiring connectors, and immobilizer. I would imagine that would add some significant cost. $100 for the glass?.... well I guess there is a place for form over function, ( a piece of scrap metal painted with good paint and sticker would have achieved the same effect). I look forward to your next video.
While some commenting apparently don't like your work, overall it's great that you're sharing info. Personally, I'd rather spend the money you did on glass with logo on better (or new) batteries, since old ones have already spent some cycles and will have to be replaced sooner than later. A plain piece of glass is cheap, and labor or fire isn't. Overall, thumbs up and nice job.
Awesome video man, can't wait to see part 2! Would be cool to see some 18650 safety tests like fast current drains and over voltage charge and shorts etc.
+sk8rboy1255555 I recently charged a recycled 18650 cell to 8Volts. :( I was trickle charging it up from 0V and forgot about it. When I disconnected it from the charger it's voltage dribbled back down to 0.5V Think I might avoid using that cell ;)
What about cooling and ventilation? Tesla has an active cooling loop to maintain the correct temperature. What about redundancy? Tesla has overcapacity in the batteries to survive with battery failure. What about a battery management system? What about fire saftey? Lots of things to consider beyond just bunging a few laptop batteries in a box.
+125white125 cooling? what for? lithium ions never catch fire on their own! Thats why Boeing (a company full of really stupid engineers and physicists) had such great success putting them into airplanes!! Oh wait... im being sarcastic.
lead acid and nickle metal hydride are the most popular. The 787 is using lithium ion, but it should be noted that the company that did the original design of the batteries went bankrupt after the building burned down due to thermal runaway on one of their battery packs. Whoops.
Enjoyable video and good info. That said many folks are not aware of how easy it is to refurbish cordless tool batteries for peanuts. For the price of a replacement battery pack you can get 100 cells on ebay.
Great job. If you look around you can even buy them new for a bargain and skip the tedious work of taking the laptop batteries apart. But what about balancing them? BMS? Several balance chargers?
What I find crazy is you got all these people spending thousands on batteries. I mean I watched a guy spend something like $800 on a lithium battery that was 1000 watts. I’m going watch more of your videos, because I do a lot of pc repair and I never thought about taking old laptop batteries apart. I got a box full of dead laptop batteries. Why not turn the remaining cells into something useful. I’m not a electrician by any means but I believe I could actually do this maybe 🙂
Just dont connect a bunch and you know stick a fork in a light socket. Safety first and foremost. I went to school for automotive and am currently going to school to be an industrial maintenance technician and electrician. Knowing whats dangerous and what isnt. Is the most important. You arent taking cells apart so as long as nothing breaks most anyone could do these things.
I love you. You are the future. Got here because of vice and you inspire me to learn about it and know about it because it’s something about the future we r gonna have to deal with
Decent video though not for the uninitiated. One note, you stated Nickel Metal Hydride (NIMH) has a memory issue if not discharged fully before charged, that's actually Nickel Cadmium (NiCd) that has that issue hence their obsolescence and NIMH being used widely still due to their long life and lower cost than more advanced batteries.
Crazy irony: As soon as you have 600 batteries holding all your electric juice in box in your garage, you work to turn your DC into AC... To travel only A FEW FEET!!! A better investment of time would be to remove the numerous components in your various electric appliences to deal with the assumed AC input. The initial breakthrough of AC by Tesla a 100 years ago was to make electricity transmission possible. Now that solar panels have come so far, no need for power transmission lines. So, no need for AC-DC conversion portions of almost every electric circuit in every appliance (and the complimentary inefficiency!) Not only live on solar power, reduce the needed electric need by removing the DC-AC converters all over the house.
@@Alshafi But, at least removing all the ac-dc converters in all the appliances (fridge, freezer, AC, TV, etc.) amounts to nothing but wasted juice. As far as that goes, the DC-ac converter put in by the solar panel outfit waates juice. People have no idea how much juice is simply being WASTED converting from dc to ac then back to dc. Somebody will get the attention though! Then power needs will be effectively cut, again! Solar is the solution!
What are you saying... You would need specific Voltages transformed throughout your house... I guess it could be done, you'd have to literally modify everything... Might make sense for someone who builds a house in the woods just for this project. What about a rectenna.
Little 18650 or whatever have anywhere between 600 up to 2000 cycles Ignoring anything about BMS is bad But Bright idea and great DIY I'd really love to see this project continued
Brother you are a teacher, a skilled craftsman, a entrepreneur, a artist and all around model American Man! Thank you... i have subscribed... going to your channel now to catch up on all your videos! One request.. please name the components ("these guys") verbally or subtexts, either one would be fine.
This is a serious fire hazard unless done by trained professionals. I've experience working in a manufacturing facility for these types of batteries (not tesla) and in the R&D and product testing phases there were a lot of instances failure which resulted in extreme heat, sometimes melting or charring equipment. As it was a testing environment this did not go unnoticed and was dealt with quickly, I don't think the same can be said of DIY version built and used in the home. I'm a big fan of the maker attitude, but for projects with this level of health and safety risk I would say leave it to the professionals. Mega skills though! This advice is aimed at those who might not have the same skill set/level as you and fancy just giving it a shot. #PCPrinciple #MakingIsCoolThough
True story, put it in a concrete bunker away from your house and anything that can cause a problem if exposed to a jet of fire. Back yard power station.
You could add some "ultra capacitors" across the battery packs in each box if you have room. They have huge lifespan & can source hundreds of amps, so can ease load on batteries during startup of any electric motor or refrigerator loads especially in cold weather.
Here's a very real issue to think about: most home insurance companies require ALL components of a home electrical system to be UL rated. This DIY will likely invalidate your homeowners insurance if you have a home fire
Wow you are so so wrong here. TONS of stuff! Just for giggles look up Chinese led reef lighting.. That will give you an idea.. So "just say" what you want but the facts are way different!
This is great, I'll probably make one myself. Have you considered making kits for people who want to build stuff but don't have the time to build from scratch
Aloha Jehu, this video is 4 years old. Do you still recommend using this method to build a power wall? Or has the technology advanced so much that you recommend something else? Mahalo, from Hawaii!
NiMh batteries do not have issues with memory. That would be the NiCad batteries of the 80's and 90's. batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/memory_myth_or_fact
Liion has been known to explode on infrequent occasions ; suggest you put it outside away from your house so your insurance is still good for the house. Nimh is NOT known for explosions and while heavier is not a factor because its not moving (in fact Ni-Fe might be best of all because space and weight are not players and Ni-Fe has been known to last 100 years). oh yes, you mentioned memory effects with nimh, actually its more the nicads that have that problem, nimh is not known for that.
Liion does not explode infrequently, having Liion batteries like a 18650 charging with Positive facing down for a prolonged period of time is what causes batteries to explode as the heat has no where to go and will build up to dangerous temperatures which is what causes problem, not the technology itself. It is still well worth mentioning Liion requires proper precautions to ensure stability and proper operation ;but there is nothing about Liion as a technology that should be a cause for concern.
very nice video! Just came here because Im intend to build a Tesla Powerwall myself! And it looks like Tesla has no industrial secrets at all! Batteries in series and parallel we all just learn it from school! Next video I hope you show how to make a Tesla S model at home... kidding... Im lready subscribed just because you are very look like a friend of mine from Venezuela! Gracias e abraços do Brazil
I would love to watch a “non electrically knowledged” diy ‘ er troubleshoot this when the cells start aging & failing, esp since all are soldered together ! How do they even know if a fuse onboard blew ? Its a neat idea, don’t get me wrong... but folks are not understanding what they are getting themselves into. If knowledge they learned to do this is not used... when things break in a few years... umm good luck remembering !
1. They are not soldered. The case holds it all together, so you can take it apart and test them individually (which would still suck) 2. You can easily see a blown fuse.
+FrequentFlier Anon Well you will still need to spend a lot of time collecting and putting this together. You also need the skills and the tools to assemble it all. Plus there is more technology inside of the tesla. Yes you can build a cheaper alternative but it will require a lot more time and effort and most people buying one of these will usually not have the skills, time or effort to build this.
featherman9 Yes, but it is only an investment in the skills-to-build for those of us without the skills already. I'd be willing to bet there are a lot of people who already have the skills (not me). So that part of it (learning the skills) is not an investment.
Brainbuster Of course learning the skills is an investment, lots of materials, possibly a class and or some books and the most valuable resource time. If you spend 3-4 weeks learning how to build this and you only save a few dollars is it really worth it? You could have spent the same time working or learning/working on other things that can save you a lot more money.
omg the struggle was real back in 2015! ordering laptop batteries and extracting the cells. talk about labor. now you can just buy the better 21700 in bulk on Alibaba for like $1 per
You need BMS, if your adding solar panels, you should also invest on MPPT charger controller. The inverter should be the size of whatever you plan on running continuously, take in consideration the surge power and it should be pure sine wave inverter. Good luck
Awesome video, I am looking for a high capacity "whole house" UPS for computers/routers/switches etc. I wonder how I could wire a big pack to an off the shelf 24V UPS, or if there is another way.
Great video and could help people start off doing this. I think we need a clear and accurate sense of the hazards. Potential for a runaway cell to start a fire? My understanding is that ones these things go there's no stopping them. Even a fireproof enclosure doesn't protect you from toxic fumes or from the enclosure getting hot enough to burn the wall or start a fire. Not trying to be negative. Just need to understand the risks.
This is not something i would put in my Home, great video but there is no heatsink, no battery management system (bms) and if a cell catches on fire that wood will burn.
I'm confused, did you go with 3s for 12v? 3s is really 10.8v or 11.1v. Most 12v inverters shutoff at 10.5v, meaning you probably will only see about a 50% capacity usage or less (depending on load) if you go with a 12v inverter. 24v inverter with 7S is a far better choice as the voltages are completely compatible.
Hard to believe, we can make bookoo dc power, now we WORK to covert dc to ac! Since the voltage comes from a battery, on-site, we consume the AC and DC only feet away from its production... Big reason for ac, a hundred years ago, was the travel length from the power stations and homes and businesses. While thanks WERE in order to Tesla, we now no longer need ac like it was needed a hundred years ago. The majority of appliances, at home, want, need, dc and have small transformers, in the device, to convert ac to dc. None of the conversions are 100% efficient. So, imagine how much juice, RIGHT NOW, is simply being wasted? In every home and apartment... What a world if wal-mart started selling dc appliances? After a few weeks, news would spread how much less folks suddenly spend on electricity...
Holy shit.... someone on UA-cam doing a DIY that actually researched and knows what he is taking about. That's refreshing!! I'm an industrial electrician and constantly work with 480 and 208 three phase power. This guy is spot on with voltages and Watt hours etc. Good job!!
TR Custom Tech ?? We learn that stuff in school, it's just an extension of ohm's law after all.
zaq405 question though; how many people have you seen on UA-cam make a video about something and they don't know a damn thing about it. All I was trying to say is it's refreshing to see a video made by someone that is not full of shit.
TR Custom Tech. That's precisely the issue I have. Someone might burn their house down because he gained some knowledge through this video. You and I have experience which would guide us from making fatal mistakes.
zaq405 I agree with you there. I have seen people do some pretty stupid things with electricity especially when it comes to batteries. Hell I've been hit pretty good by a 24 VDC power supply. But when it comes to batteries it doesn't take very many in series to have a pretty potent power source.
TR Custom Tech where are you located? Would you be willing to teach someone as a helper?
*Super compact and easy to carry and travel with accessories for the electric **Generater.Systems** .I was worried this was going to be bulky or hard to use.Hooks up easy and charges quickly*
To make it optimal, we could add a BMS (Battery Management System), with cooling controlled fans, vetilation holes, with screens, and below freezing temperature shut off. Oh, and don't forget a metal box...
Looks cooool! Great video! Thanks for sharing!
why would it need a metal box
You have a talent for explaining things where people can understand and without getting bored or losing interest
Jehu has a real talent for teaching this stuff and you can tell he care about his audience , thanks man keep it up.
except this was a learning experiment. before he learned about BMS being needed.
I loved the part where you explained how you can wire battery packs for whichever voltage you need! Nobody seems to know just how useful and versatile 18650's from laptop batteries are!
thats basic electromechanics.. i thought kids are learning that in school everywhere.. at least i was when i was 14yo..
Homeboy you are a godsend. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. So grateful for people like you teaching the rest of us how to do things we would think we were never capable of.
holy guacamole! that is impressive. - I built and installed my own solar after a ton of research. Everyone i have told thinks I am crazy, including my wife, but now that i have't burned down the house, and my AC is running at 75 degrees in 105 degree weather, now they don't think I am crazy... I have considered a battery backup, but going off grid would be epic! I am seriously IMPRESSED with your work. This is my first time to the channel... and your motherboard channel. I will be spending a few more sleepless nights listening to that content you have posted.
You built it? What were your thoughts, and lessons? How much did it end up costing you? Could you improve on the design? I'm seriously considering making this myself!
@@josebravo7998 I will be more than happy to help you... I am still learning how to integrate the powerwall with the solar system. But as far as solar, it's really cool
Every thing said, the stuffs you're doing is what modern day heroes do. To me, you're among the unknown unrecognized global heroes in the making. Only a passion to share knowledge to empower people can make people do what you do. Godspeed!
Just stumbled on this and was impressed, he’s friendly and knows his stuff. Keep it at the baby level, there is a mix of capabilities watching and some have been away from any tech work for a long time;)
Cool project, I always love DIY and people who share the knowledge. To everybody else on here, right or wrong, we should be thankful for people who take the time to do a good video and share their knowledge, even if it is wrong or we don't agree with it fully. You can either learn good things, bad things and takeway (if you choose) something from things like this.
Having said that, I do disagree with a few things. First the price, you only mention the batteries, wood and glass as cost on your BOM. However, and you even link to these in the video, there are many other components on the BOM. For example, the battery holders link you provide, takes me to eBay where there are holders that hold 15 batteries for 5.99 each. To buy enough of these to hold 600 batteries, it would cost $239.60 just for the holders. On top of that, there are many other items, for example the fuses, buss bars, wiring, etc...
Given that, and not even factoring in labor, I think your actual BOM is more like $600-$700 (and that is assuming you still use that overpriced piece of glass). Still not bad if you want to take on a project of this magnitude. Which brings me to another point, the labor. Do you care to share how much time it takes to pull apart all the laptop batteries, test them and then arrange/solder them all together into these packs? I would venture to guess it would take many, many days.
Finally, as others have pointed out, there are things like UL listing, thermal and environmental concerns, etc... that are not factored in to your solution. I love DIY, but some things that may burn my house down, I tend to proceed with caution. By the way, if you burn your house down with something DIY like this (no UL listing, etc...) you may not even be covered by your home insurance.
So, my summary, while the Powerwall is $3k-$3500, that is actually a good price when you factor the BOM, labor to build and other engineering concerns.
Mike
Michael Bedford can a Tesla powerwall be juiced with wind turbines?
You made some good points. I liked this video because it gave a quick rundown of the battery types, how these wall units function, how batteries can be arranged for a specific power output, and how to calculate the output. All good info for the layman.
On the other hand, I agree with your concerns about overall cost. Time is money too, so aside from the parts cost, labor should be factored in. Although, the enjoyment factor would negate some of the labor cost.
Good video, subscribed!
Awesome, would love to see a start to finish portable version like charge the battery off solar and take it with you in a vehicle so you got a charge point on the go for long distance
It's all about the batteries.... weight and current vs. application capacity.
II have a cluster of free 40 x 12V 20Ah UPS Led Acid batteries that
I get to torment from time to time on my DYI UPS backup ideas.
The other day I tried a load on just (1) single but good 12V Li-Ion, battery.
So we dream every day of finally pulling off the grid and make good DIY stuff like you share with us.
I can just say It's amazing the power one gets with no weigh from Li-Ion/ 18650 batteries.
Thank you, Mr. Garcia for tons of inspiration, keep your nice production up : )
Great idea....questions:
1. By using old batteries, isn't one vastly cutting life expectancy of the pack?
2. Are the batteries easy to remove/replace when they go bad?
3. Is there some visual cue that indicates when each cell quits working, to easily facilitate changing out only the bad cells?
4. And, what happens...anything adverse...by pairing cells of different ages and wear?
The box could be configured to inset between wall studs, so avoid anything much sticking out off the wall surface!
Awesome job .. I love how you de-mystify this stuff .. it benefits even those folks who know, in principle, how this stuff works. One of my degrees is in EE, and I know plenty about how this stuff works, but I tend to let my imagination run wild about the possible complications, and so never undertake a project. Being able to see it actually done from stset to finish provides needed encouragement (and insight into which parts to use etc.)
Please keepep them coming!
if you have a degree in EE you must then realize, his math is off. You'll never have 4.4KWH. That is the total at 3.7v
To get 12v you divide the cells into 4 groups (not 3 as he states). at that point you are down to 1.11KWH.
24v system is dividing by 8 (not 6 as he states). At that point you are down to 555WH
@@candicefrancart2060 No, he is right, as far as he goes. It is AMP hours that will change according to the Voltage. Ohm's Law: Amps times Volts = Watts. The wattage will stay the same.
He is just showing that it is possible to configure these batteries into 12V/24V/36V/48V. It's up to the person putting their own system together to figure out which is best for them. :)
100$ for glass...
you could buy more cells
or beer
Exactly my thought when he was breaking up the cost.
Cekpi7 it was $100.00 spent on theater. Notice he covered the Tesla with his sticker after? What a statement!! Great way the end the video.
@Frank Navarrete, M.D. Nothing wrong with exercising his prerogative to make it look cool and be contained the way he wanted it
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I don't know how i stumbled onto this but im so glad i did. i cant wait to try do this!
Hi there,
You forgot to mention the costs of a control unit and an inverter, which - of course - are included in the Tesla Unit.
Regards from The Netherlands,
Roelof Kingma
More like $1000 diy powerwall.
@@ctrlaltdebug With used batteries, he's going to be chasing dead cells constantly. What a mess.
@@nikolatesla811 That would be my issue. Balancing is going to be a mess.
I was working for a delivery business and seen this workshop that had 3 of the BIG industrial power walls side by side. First time I’d seen it, asked them a bunch of questions and they bacially hadn’t paid for electricity since they had them installed, and they used tools ALL DAY, shop fans, welders, hoists ect ect…
You might consider a fireproof enclosure for that contraption... you know, instead of wood.
ehh, just adds more.... flare!... kill me
SciPunk215 LOL
SciPunk215 i don't think there's much you could use that will stop a fire fueled by 600 li batteries
David H concrete?
SciPunk215 I was thinking the very same thing!!
A great place to get 18650's and other batteries FOR FREE is in those used battery recycling bins that are at most electronics and hardware stores, or you can ask at a recycling facility, 18650's are in everything from cordless drill battery packs to laptop batteries.
Definitely not new,but freeeee. The ones in old laptop batteries are for sure not new, and more worn. Most cordless tools have "smart chargers" that the unit will simply not recharge , but the batteries are still perfectly usable
+Video Québec lol "smart charger" = after it gets tired of you it tells you to go by another one
Basically lol apparently it's to protect the batteries/device. That's why it just stops working instead of gradually losing charge capacity
Des batteries gratuites comme celles-ci: là tu m'intéresses. :)
enator71 Uhhhh, it was like that before Trump was in office. It's called business.
He's braver than I am. I'm building a shed outside for my batteries because they contain more energy than tnt.
You are amazing. Thank you for taking the time to make this video, I enjoyed it immensely.
Wow just as I was in the verge and creative time lapse of I should build my own 18650 battery pack for an eBike this guy pops up on my UA-cam news feed. Thank you my great guy! When my build is complete I’ll be sure to credit you for everything I’ve learned from you.
- Abraham desde NY, nacido en Mexico!
Cheers brother!
Make your own Tesla battery !!! The glass saying Tesla is the best part. Excellent!!!
Dude, you are so impressive. This was my original video I found but then I saw your kickstarter and then that you actually have created other products... very impressed. Thanks for your videos.
You could build an electric gokart with that, kinda like making your own mini model S.
What a nice project! All it needs is a charger now!
Finally...a video clear enough for us regular guys! Simple is always better... thanks!
This panel can put out close to 100 watts ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxOqI2yqX0XVrhR2BMJciTWrHJpG8FhJyg when positioned in the appropriate southernly direction, tilted to the optimal angle for your latitude/date, and connected to a higher capacity device than a 500. The built in kickstand angle is a fixed at 50 degrees. Up to 20% more power can be output by selecting the actual date and latitude optimal angle.The 500 will only input 3.5A maximum at 18 volts for 63 watts. Some of the excess power from the panel can be fed into a USB battery bank, charged directly from the panel while also charging a 500. This will allow you to harvest as much as 63 + 15 = 78 watts.If this panel is used to charge a larger device, such as the power station, then its full output potential can be realized.
I want to build one of these for my house 50kw. I dont know what charge controllers and fuses I would need. So I'm now a subscriber
What about the BMS to balance charges and loads? Did I miss something?
no here also missed coolant.... battery will got heat....
@@rpwang6784 biggest thing i was thinking. center channel, might be for a fan or something but nope
@@langjie7281 but still nice job~~！！！
Great project.. Its got me thinking. I don't know why you included the price of the wood in your project costs but didn't include the wires, wiring connectors, and immobilizer. I would imagine that would add some significant cost. $100 for the glass?.... well I guess there is a place for form over function, ( a piece of scrap metal painted with good paint and sticker would have achieved the same effect). I look forward to your next video.
While some commenting apparently don't like your work, overall it's great that you're sharing info. Personally, I'd rather spend the money you did on glass with logo on better (or new) batteries, since old ones have already spent some cycles and will have to be replaced sooner than later. A plain piece of glass is cheap, and labor or fire isn't. Overall, thumbs up and nice job.
Very encouraging for a first time exposure to what it takes to produce and charge high capacity batteries at a reasonable price.
Awesome video man, can't wait to see part 2! Would be cool to see some 18650 safety tests like fast current drains and over voltage charge and shorts etc.
+sk8rboy1255555 Great idea.
+sk8rboy1255555 I recently charged a recycled 18650 cell to 8Volts. :(
I was trickle charging it up from 0V and forgot about it. When I disconnected it from the charger it's voltage dribbled back down to 0.5V
Think I might avoid using that cell ;)
Wow 8 volts! and no fiery ball of death? guess these things are safer than I thought.
+sk8rboy1255555 I was a bit freaked out when I noticed it. I don't want to do that again.
What about cooling and ventilation? Tesla has an active cooling loop to maintain the correct temperature. What about redundancy? Tesla has overcapacity in the batteries to survive with battery failure. What about a battery management system? What about fire saftey? Lots of things to consider beyond just bunging a few laptop batteries in a box.
+125white125 Also How long will this last compared to Tesla's warrantied battery.
+wiboater4 Its an experiment, results come at the end, we'll have to see
+125white125 cooling? what for? lithium ions never catch fire on their own! Thats why Boeing (a company full of really stupid engineers and physicists) had such great success putting them into airplanes!! Oh wait... im being sarcastic.
Curious, what kind of batteries do you think airplanes currently use?
lead acid and nickle metal hydride are the most popular. The 787 is using lithium ion, but it should be noted that the company that did the original design of the batteries went bankrupt after the building burned down due to thermal runaway on one of their battery packs. Whoops.
This is a great channel! Clear, concise, correct, cross-linked! Love it!
Enjoyable video and good info. That said many folks are not aware of how easy it is to refurbish cordless tool batteries for peanuts. For the price of a replacement battery pack you can get 100 cells on ebay.
That VW van was my first vehicle in 1976! Love it.
Dude, you have an amazing channel.
Great job. If you look around you can even buy them new for a bargain and skip the tedious work of taking the laptop batteries apart. But what about balancing them? BMS? Several balance chargers?
Ihaveausernametoo I was wondering about that.
What I find crazy is you got all these people spending thousands on batteries. I mean I watched a guy spend something like $800 on a lithium battery that was 1000 watts. I’m going watch more of your videos, because I do a lot of pc repair and I never thought about taking old laptop batteries apart. I got a box full of dead laptop batteries. Why not turn the remaining cells into something useful. I’m not a electrician by any means but I believe I could actually do this maybe 🙂
Theres no way that pack last more than 500 cycles.... Theyre aready out of packs where one cell failed. That means the rest were about to go.
Just dont connect a bunch and you know stick a fork in a light socket. Safety first and foremost. I went to school for automotive and am currently going to school to be an industrial maintenance technician and electrician. Knowing whats dangerous and what isnt. Is the most important. You arent taking cells apart so as long as nothing breaks most anyone could do these things.
I love you. You are the future. Got here because of vice and you inspire me to learn about it and know about it because it’s something about the future we r gonna have to deal with
Decent video though not for the uninitiated. One note, you stated Nickel Metal Hydride (NIMH) has a memory issue if not discharged fully before charged, that's actually Nickel Cadmium (NiCd) that has that issue hence their obsolescence and NIMH being used widely still due to their long life and lower cost than more advanced batteries.
Nissan had the idea of using used packs for grid storage. Just not home grid storage.
Shared !! Can't wait to finish my own similar project on my channel!
AMIGO ERES LO MAXIMO ..EL MUNDO NECESITA MAS GENTE COMO ..UN ABRAZO DESDE CHILE!
Have tried sodium batteries that have a longer shelf life? Can we see you do a DIY with This battery please.
Great info! Love that microbus. I had a '59 23 window with the factory electric fan, and clock. No gas gauge though. Wish I still had it.
how do you charge it on solar?
Crazy irony: As soon as you have 600 batteries holding all your electric juice in box in your garage, you work to turn your DC into AC...
To travel only A FEW FEET!!!
A better investment of time would be to remove the numerous components in your various electric appliences to deal with the assumed AC input.
The initial breakthrough of AC by Tesla a 100 years ago was to make electricity transmission possible.
Now that solar panels have come so far, no need for power transmission lines.
So, no need for AC-DC conversion portions of almost every electric circuit in every appliance (and the complimentary inefficiency!)
Not only live on solar power, reduce the needed electric need by removing the DC-AC converters all over the house.
Plus, you lose a lot of power in the AC/DC conversion. DC-DC is the future for sure!
@@Alshafi But, at least removing all the ac-dc converters in all the appliances (fridge, freezer, AC, TV, etc.) amounts to nothing but wasted juice.
As far as that goes, the DC-ac converter put in by the solar panel outfit waates juice.
People have no idea how much juice is simply being WASTED converting from dc to ac then back to dc.
Somebody will get the attention though!
Then power needs will be effectively cut, again!
Solar is the solution!
Dan Tyler what would that entail though 🤔
What are you saying... You would need specific Voltages transformed throughout your house... I guess it could be done, you'd have to literally modify everything... Might make sense for someone who builds a house in the woods just for this project. What about a rectenna.
Holy crap this is awesome!!! You're a genius!
Little 18650 or whatever have anywhere between 600 up to 2000 cycles
Ignoring anything about BMS is bad
But
Bright idea and great DIY
I'd really love to see this project continued
Brother you are a teacher, a skilled craftsman, a entrepreneur, a artist and all around model American Man! Thank you... i have subscribed... going to your channel now to catch up on all your videos!
One request.. please name the components ("these guys") verbally or subtexts, either one would be fine.
Your videos are amazingly cool, keep it up👍
This is a serious fire hazard unless done by trained professionals. I've experience working in a manufacturing facility for these types of batteries (not tesla) and in the R&D and product testing phases there were a lot of instances failure which resulted in extreme heat, sometimes melting or charring equipment. As it was a testing environment this did not go unnoticed and was dealt with quickly, I don't think the same can be said of DIY version built and used in the home.
I'm a big fan of the maker attitude, but for projects with this level of health and safety risk I would say leave it to the professionals.
Mega skills though! This advice is aimed at those who might not have the same skill set/level as you and fancy just giving it a shot.
#PCPrinciple #MakingIsCoolThough
True story, put it in a concrete bunker away from your house and anything that can cause a problem if exposed to a jet of fire. Back yard power station.
I really want to do this. Thanks mate!
You could add some "ultra capacitors" across the battery packs in each box if you have room. They have huge lifespan & can source hundreds of amps, so can ease load on batteries during startup of any electric motor or refrigerator loads especially in cold weather.
Bro. You’re a goddamn legend. I will now proceed to see all your videos as I attempt to make a solar charging station on my e-Golf.
Here's a very real issue to think about: most home insurance companies require ALL components of a home electrical system to be UL rated. This DIY will likely invalidate your homeowners insurance if you have a home fire
Marco Sartori Underwriters Laboratory. ALL electronics need to pass UL validation in operation and design testing to be insurable.
Id be willing to bet,, with Chinese imports, that few if ANY household in USA has ALL UL cert goods.
Karl Dulle Can't be imported without it....just saying
Wow you are so so wrong here. TONS of stuff! Just for giggles look up Chinese led reef lighting.. That will give you an idea.. So "just say" what you want but the facts are way different!
And than look up UL listing fraud.. LMAO The Chinese print their own labels..
This is great, I'll probably make one myself. Have you considered making kits for people who want to build stuff but don't have the time to build from scratch
if you have to explain what's the difference between AC and DC... you should also say "IF YOU DON'T KNOW...DON'T EVEN TRY IT!" LOL
Nah ac and dc are obviously interchangeable
@@BanditLeader 😲😲😲😲. 🥺🥺🥺🥺. That's true.
So basically the scheduling was like waiting for the guy from comcast to show up for 1 visit . Great breakdown thanks for sharing.
Thanks for teaching and make a contribution to human kind, it is a great way to make something special.
Aloha Jehu, this video is 4 years old. Do you still recommend using this method to build a power wall? Or has the technology advanced so much that you recommend something else?
Mahalo, from Hawaii!
I'm not an expert but I would say that technology didn't change at all and this idea is still valid.
Looks like the budget for batteries is going to be higher now
@@noahno for a little while. I imagine EV batteries are going to be available soon, and demand for used laptop battery cells...not sure.
NiMh batteries do not have issues with memory. That would be the NiCad batteries of the 80's and 90's.
batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/memory_myth_or_fact
So without the glass front it would only be around $200. Nice!
Excellent tidy clean work. I learnt alot from you. Thanks for sharing.
dont burn your house down dude, these things are flammable!
My Buddys: Batterys end up in the ozean they toxic.
Me: Na they end up in my wall bro
this was awesome
Liion has been known to explode on infrequent occasions ; suggest you put it outside away from your house so your insurance is still good for the house. Nimh is NOT known for explosions and while heavier is not a factor because its not moving (in fact Ni-Fe might be best of all because space and weight are not players and Ni-Fe has been known to last 100 years). oh yes, you mentioned memory effects with nimh, actually its more the nicads that have that problem, nimh is not known for that.
So john for. I don't know jack about this but are you referring to AA rechargeable batteries? Thanks
Liion does not explode infrequently, having Liion batteries like a 18650 charging with Positive facing down for a prolonged period of time is what causes batteries to explode as the heat has no where to go and will build up to dangerous temperatures which is what causes problem, not the technology itself. It is still well worth mentioning Liion requires proper precautions to ensure stability and proper operation ;but there is nothing about Liion as a technology that should be a cause for concern.
They are a different kind of battery that has 3.7v instead of 1.2v. I think they are a different size too.
very nice video! Just came here because Im intend to build a Tesla Powerwall myself! And it looks like Tesla has no industrial secrets at all! Batteries in series and parallel we all just learn it from school! Next video I hope you show how to make a Tesla S model at home... kidding... Im lready subscribed just because you are very look like a friend of mine from Venezuela! Gracias e abraços do Brazil
I love your work Garcia. Keep making it.
I would love to watch a “non electrically knowledged” diy ‘ er troubleshoot this when the cells start aging & failing, esp since all are soldered together ! How do they even know if a fuse onboard blew ?
Its a neat idea, don’t get me wrong... but folks are not understanding what they are getting themselves into. If knowledge they learned to do this is not used... when things break in a few years... umm good luck remembering !
1. They are not soldered. The case holds it all together, so you can take it apart and test them individually (which would still suck) 2. You can easily see a blown fuse.
Solar to battery to inverter. The Solar is DC not AC.
Chris Braid 👍
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So really if you take away the fancy cover it's a $200 solution, not bad!
theonlyari Oh maybe not. I might opt to put it in a metal box outdoors or something just to be safe though.
+FrequentFlier Anon Yes, the fancy glass is something that might attract thieves.
+FrequentFlier Anon Well you will still need to spend a lot of time collecting and putting this together. You also need the skills and the tools to assemble it all. Plus there is more technology inside of the tesla.
Yes you can build a cheaper alternative but it will require a lot more time and effort and most people buying one of these will usually not have the skills, time or effort to build this.
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Yes, but it is only an investment in the skills-to-build for those of us without the skills already. I'd be willing to bet there are a lot of people who already have the skills (not me). So that part of it (learning the skills) is not an investment.
Brainbuster Of course learning the skills is an investment, lots of materials, possibly a class and or some books and the most valuable resource time. If you spend 3-4 weeks learning how to build this and you only save a few dollars is it really worth it? You could have spent the same time working or learning/working on other things that can save you a lot more money.
I love what you do I think I’m going to start a new career in this industry.
omg the struggle was real back in 2015! ordering laptop batteries and extracting the cells. talk about labor. now you can just buy the better 21700 in bulk on Alibaba for like $1 per
You need to sell those power walls that you are creating. To me.
You’re the man! 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Sub, i like how you explain it in layman term...
He is soooo good at explaining. I love it.
You need BMS, if your adding solar panels, you should also invest on MPPT charger controller. The inverter should be the size of whatever you plan on running continuously, take in consideration the surge power and it should be pure sine wave inverter.
Good luck
I think I have watched this video 10 times now very instructional
Hi Man!!! congrats! how many cicles you can use this powerwall?
pretty cool stuff there
Awesome video, I am looking for a high capacity "whole house" UPS for computers/routers/switches etc. I wonder how I could wire a big pack to an off the shelf 24V UPS, or if there is another way.
That's my question... any answers??
Great video and could help people start off doing this. I think we need a clear and accurate sense of the hazards. Potential for a runaway cell to start a fire? My understanding is that ones these things go there's no stopping them. Even a fireproof enclosure doesn't protect you from toxic fumes or from the enclosure getting hot enough to burn the wall or start a fire.
Not trying to be negative. Just need to understand the risks.
So where can you even get your hands on so many laptop batteries and an inverter to even start this
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You dont calculated he charger, the connerctors, the cable and the AC module. A glasswall like this costs in Germany only 19€.
This is not something i would put in my Home, great video but there is no heatsink, no battery management system (bms) and if a cell catches on fire that wood will burn.
I'm confused, did you go with 3s for 12v? 3s is really 10.8v or 11.1v. Most 12v inverters shutoff at 10.5v, meaning you probably will only see about a 50% capacity usage or less (depending on load) if you go with a 12v inverter. 24v inverter with 7S is a far better choice as the voltages are completely compatible.
asusreviews 3.7 v minimum, 4.2 fully charged , so 3 for 12v is in the middle range for the cells.
Found you on Facebook. Love your stuff.
great to build into the floor of a tiny house.... awesomeness 😀👍
Hard to believe, we can make bookoo dc power, now we WORK to covert dc to ac!
Since the voltage comes from a battery, on-site, we consume the AC and DC only feet away from its production...
Big reason for ac, a hundred years ago, was the travel length from the power stations and homes and businesses.
While thanks WERE in order to Tesla, we now no longer need ac like it was needed a hundred years ago.
The majority of appliances, at home, want, need, dc and have small transformers, in the device, to convert ac to dc.
None of the conversions are 100% efficient.
So, imagine how much juice, RIGHT NOW, is simply being wasted?
In every home and apartment...
What a world if wal-mart started selling dc appliances?
After a few weeks, news would spread how much less folks suddenly spend on electricity...
Wood to encase batteries, I don't think its a good idea. and that too without any ventilation or heat sink that's just dangerous!
So how do we charge it?
Use any charge controller for the desired voltage and with lithium type battery charging option.
Your videos are inspiring to watch, I have learned so much from you.
Thanks mate.
Just don't learn wrong. the dude has at least 2 mistakes in this video............
Cool. Did not know there were inverters that would work as charge controllers. That's great.