Are Big Bore 2 Strokes Making A Come Back Or Just A Phase?
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- Опубліковано 3 гру 2023
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I love big bore 2 strokes. I've owned roughly 13 over the last 25 years. However, I really dislike the fanaticism and insanity around them from COVID forward. The Facebook groups are getting toxic, and it's now all about being a daddy's money clout chaser. Rule 1: Never buy from a fellow enthusiast. Of course guys who obsess all day long online in their echo chambers will convince themselves it's absolutely worth $15k+... They are awesome, and always will be. But just like any hobby, watch out for the grifters. Do your research, be patient, don't do emotional buys. It's not about clout chasing. It's about enjoying one of the most amazing bikes made!
Maico of Germany still make big bore 2-strokes. A 320,500,620 and a 700! They're not the cheapest but they're very high quality! Also BRC of Canada make 500cc. kits for a lot of 250 & 300cc. brands.
They have a nice kit for KTM's from 2007 to 2019 at least and I think also the tpi bikes! Pee on the Electric bikes get a real man's bike like a big bore 2-stroke!
Where can you get a piston pin for a Wossner piston? I know they make top notch pistons! I'd like to purchase one for my KTM-300xc.
I appreciate the lesson on cast n forged pistons. I never knew any of that info.. but i do now..🤝🏽
Worked at a Kawasaki dealer back in the day that mainly dealt in dirt bikes.... in the 4 years I worked there we sold 3 KX500s.... 1 of which came back right away because the guy came to the realization he could not handle it. The other 2 were purchased by some dude out in Hawaii who went by the name of KX Mike...
Bike sounds good, ive got an 89CR250R and love it so much putting a 06 crf250r front suspension upgrade on it in just a few weeks. I miss my 85CR500🤘
My last bike was a 91 YZ 250 , I loved it more than the newer ones
Oiling gaskets causes them to swell. Inherently giving them rebound, allowing the to remain sealed when engine goes from cold to hot then back to cold. Counteracting refraction of the metals.
Always love the builds,the lingo lol, the shop keep killing it lund. You inspire so many people in the dirtbike community.
I bought an '86 CR500 back in 1994 from a Honda dealer for $800, the bike was original, so i made it all red and white like the later 500s, I CNC machined the bore, cutting all of the correct piston undercuts to prevent ring grab, I installed a Wiseco forged piston .02 over, reshaped the dome, added some heavy duty clutch plates and springs, since the power that it made, it went through clutches probably twice a year, (I did a lot of riding), and found the trick to starting all 500s, for everyone ready to give up on starting these machines , dont!, just slightly lay it down on the gas valve side until gas comes out of the carb overflow, guarantee, if the bikes well tuned, two to three quick kicks and it's running, sometimes it'll backfire instead of starting, so just rinse and repeat, there was no other bike that ever beat me in a race, a built Suzuki Quadzilla 500 was the closest, and i still had him by 50ft., the only problem I had were the drum brakes, I'm not a huge fan of them, and with all of that power, I was constantly locking them up just to stop, fortunately, the 86' was the last year for them, so it sat for 15 years, since life gets in the way of things, and sold it to a friend for $4,000, yeah i do regret it, i called him the day after he bought it, and had just returned from a 2 hour ride, only changing the gas, it still had the same spark plug, from my last ride!, but fyi. ( always use a resister type plug ), that says a lot for these bikes, they are monsters and not for beginners,
Hey mate, love your Chanel. Video like is got me back into bikes. Grew up on bikes but sadly life made me sell my last bike. I know it's no 2 strock 500 but I was lucky to get my hands on a 2010 yz450f. She was up for 1600 non running. Had electrical drams they said. I toke the risk to find it was spark plug cap wasn't on the coil lead properly. After getting her running with rads and tank and seat on bike I went for quick squirt around yard haha obviously. She's had a full wash up clean up and some good rides out on trails of Australia. Just want to say thank u from here down under and just giving me the go ahead to take a risk and build a something someone had no idea on. Thanks marty from Australia
Great show as always Clint.💯👍🏁
Big bores baby
Forged piston has to have more piston to cylinder clearance which can have a little more skirt rattle as they expand different than cast.
As an engine builder in the performance realm for thirty plus years I always prefer to run stock cast pistons when possible especially in vintage bikes
I agree 100%
where do you find Honda 2-stroke engine parts ?
Really makes me wish I wouldn’t have gotten rid of my 01, loved that bike
Great vid
Love your passion for big bores. I look after a 81 HUSQVARNA 430 XC. Had it for years. But I also like the little guys. 92 WR 200 R is the project right now. Talk about a unicorn.
I love working on them but try to keep them looking ‘used’. Not ratty. You know that patina and battle scared look. Shows the character.
cringe , im on my 3rd rebuild in 10 years . this last build is taking along time, got alot going on . renovations ,, i've got a 89 rm 250 dressed as the slingshot first frame was blue then i went black , then i went yellow now its back to black . looks mean . ive got a vid on my channel if ya wanna see her ,
Love da the passion for CR500 monster more videos when you got the time stay blessed broski 😈😊
The 500's are bad azz. Im more into the 85's-125's. However im addicted to 2 strokes.
Great content.
It's not just big bore me bikes that are going crazy. Any old big bore 500 two stroke road bike is a ridiculous amount.
Even RD/RZ350 prices are too much for most people now.
pretty sweet!
Luckily enough I have 1 already. My pops bought an 88 cr500 in 92 so it was passed on to me. Would love to grab an AF, or build one one day. I See them on Facebook hobbled together asking 5 grand😂. 89 frame, 94 sub frame, 90 motor, all different color plastics, it’s sick. Parts are getting hard to find now for the 88, but the 89 and up some parts are still plentiful. Funny thing is they de-tuned the engine in 92 so that 91 you got there is the best bike to me 😂. It would be nice to see more companies making parts for these bikes to keep them going. Especially the harder to get parts for certain years. One of the coolest things for me is when my kids friends come over with newer 450’s and still drool over the 500. They’re an awesome bike and I’m glad to own 1. Hopefully I can grab up a 91 in the future but not at the current pricing.
Man thats a dream bike right there. Im currently looking for a early 90's 250/500 to do a full frame up build on. I love those steel frame 2 strokes
Love the channel dude! My two year plan is getting my knee repaired, move to AZ and buy a 500. They don't love the PNW woods too much ha!
6:52 Thats a nice lookin machine
I owned a 1999 CR500, it had a lot of money put into it. I didn't really enjoy it. It had all the power in the world, but it handled like a bus. The ergonomics weren't the greatest. I've got a 1990 CR250 now, a bit more suited to me.
Intill someone starts manufacturing affordable cr500 cases. Doubtfull! As every single one I've ever opened has cracks (hairline fractures) all over the primary side case.
Probably a result of the big a$$ Kickstart combined with analog ignition. People just jumping on them with all they got. Last one I sold like 4 years ago, Same story. Cases finally let go. Had them welded .. cracked before it was heat cycled. 1500 a side for billets cases was all I could find, other than previously repaired n welded cases.
this is why I look forward to Mondays!
Bob WUZ HERE.... I've been watching your channel for years, started with the drunkin power bands. Hahaha. I've been commenting for years that my favorite bike has always been the 89 CR250. Seems like you're starting to like my style of bike too
Man I absolutely love my 89CR250R it's a beast
I think Yamaha should offer a 500cc 2 stroke bike. Bringing a big bore that is actually controllable and slightly tamed to allow for easier riding would have everyone riled up
SM is my riding dream to come to. Never rode sand and looks fun and great people!!!
Hey Lund, great videos. I’m a fairly new subscriber and I’m loving the content so far. I have a couple of BIG BORE 500’s (91 kx500 in sm mode) (88 cr500) (87cr500 Needs resto and up for sale !) and just awaiting my next one a ktm500 mxc 1986 !
Loved my 88 500 beast.. never had a problem starting mine.
I have a 91 cr250 that looks exactly like that 500. I rebuilt it but I could not find a seat cover to match the oem one like you got there. Beautiful looking bike
Really love the old two strokes, I really had a good time with them in the first years of my motocross hobby, raced a few 125's and 250's in those days. I worked in a motocross shop in those days and had the chance to ride a few 500's as well, insane power, especially some tuned engines.
But these days I prefer to ride fourstrokes, had a couple of 350's, a 450 and at the moment a 250f, they're so easy to ride. Love the electric start and the great chassis / suspension these days.
I'm considering to try KTM's new fuel injected 300SX, has a bit of both worlds, still a two stroke but with all the modern comfort. In the end it doesn't matter what you ride, even if it is electric, as long as you have fun at the track riding a dirtbike, it's a lifetime addiction.
That carb seems to be doing the job
About five years ago I began my search for a cr or kx 500,could not seem to connect with one, I landed on a 94 kx 250 that had a lot of trick parts for a really good price, proceeded to completely disassemble and now it's a Eric Gore 295,it runs amazing I would recommend
Thanks
thank you so much my friend!
Yeah, big bore is definitely making a come back, but what's even better is that there are companies bringing them into the modern era tech wise. Take Panthera for instance they have taken a CR 500 and made cases that offer electric start for your 2T monster and they also have a 600cc big bore kit that is fuel injected. If you like to play with monstrous two stroke power it is going to be hard not to appreciate an extra 100cc and forr us older gents whose knees aren't what they used to be an electric start come on now. The weakest link is the frames anymore but with so many companies offering kits to retro fit a smoker powerplant into an aluminum 450 chassis the only thing standing in anyone's way is the funds to put it all together. It is not unrealistic to have close to 12k or more invested in building a modernized 500cc smoker.
I rode a Service Honda 500 AF bike back in 2009 that the guy had over 17k in the build. It was by far the sickest CR 500 I have ever ridden and I have owned several big bore 2T bikes. CR 480, CR 500, Yz 490, 2 KX 500s, a KTM 520, and several different 250s. Still nothing I owned was a flickable, arm ripping powerful, or as fast as that Service Honda. When it hit its powerband it felt like you were trying to do a superman grab on the ground. It wanted to throw you off the back fender. I over shot triples that I was barely making in 3rd gear pinned on my KX with a 270 big bore kit in 2nd gear pinned on that CR. It was insanely fast. I got out of 2nd on the track twice and it was on a long straight and only because I short shifted it to give my wrists and arms a break from trying to hang onto it. By far the greatest rush I have ever had in the dirt. Good luck with your bike and be safe.
They couldn't give away 500cc 2-strokes the last 3-5yrs they were produced. I dont see em ever making a comeback new from manufacturers.
Wagner the best bike builder for sure😊
Hell yeah I’ve got 5 big bores. Looking for a CR 500
How about a CR 500 engine in a 87 CR 250 rolling chassis, had top end to 1st over and did some blending on the exhaust and a little on the intake. Northern Minnesota! My hip doesn't do the Kickstart so good lol.
Make 500s Great Again!!
Had a 91 as a teenager. Fantastic bike! I'm Excited to see what you do with it!
Ported 91 cr 500 was the first big bike I ever rode at 13 years old. About 115 pnds lol. I had a xr 80 lmao. It had no idea i was there. I didn't crash it. But I did accidentally jump it about 80 ft and landed in a fire pit. That was no were near the small jump I hit lol.
Had a 89 and a built 90 after that. Very visceral bikes. Like the muscle car of dirtbikes.
@@dormantmenace My 87 500 was my first big bike at about that same age! I had to lean it against the house just to start it haha! We used them as farm bikes because they could lug better than a 250 when gathering cattle from the pasture. I was never daring enough to really jump them though. I was more into hill climbing and trail riding. I sure do miss that power band!
Torque they did indeed have lol. Ya I would climb on rocks or finda hill when I stalled that thing lol.
I'm a big bore addict I've owned a few of them I still have my 91
Yap yap yap. Ride the bike bro!
My panthera 600 supposedly is getting shipped this month!!
WHAT ONCE WAS WILL BE AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN 😂
They've always been popular. However they're getting scarce, just like the people
who could ride them well 😅
We all got old and fragile.. we don't bounce like we used too.. then bought a smaller bike so we could live longer.. at 50 im riding a 510 husky that goes like a rocket and handles a lot better.. 😂😂
I believe these bikes are making a come back
Lets Go! :)
I’ve just bought a 300 cc I’m ready to make it fresh again they ain’t going nowhere 😂
Who loves big bores? We love big bores! Easy kickin, smooth operator
You're 500 percent correct. 👉🤘👈
What do you do with old parts
What are doing with your international scout in the back ground!
It’s just a phase like everything it to will pass but would be cool to see an actual come bake not just big bore but the motorcycle sport in genral as well as atvs
Alot of why the two strokes last longer is all down to maintinence. Many 4 stroke guys dont change oil often as they should. Therefore shortening the life. 2 strokes get fresh oiling just by mixing oil correctly. Trana oil needs changing yes but it does last longer than oil does on my trx 450r . Im syre is same with many bike quads
Dave Thorpe here in the uk
85 cr500 I’ll like to find one or an nice Suzuki 250 between 04-08
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Anybody see the video where the 'frame strengthening' is detailed?
I wonder if these high prices are due to property no longer being the hot-ticket it once was in some places. I suspect these bikes, along with other objects in other hobbies, are going for obscene prices because they're being seen as investments.
I totally agree.......it's a shame. I'm in the market for a 500 in Australia.......can't find one worth buying for less than 15k😢
The saddest thing about the 500 two stroke is that most people that buy them either don’t ride them or simply can’t ride them properly. I enjoy passing a guy on a 500 at my local track with my 250 more than I enjoy an evening with a box of tissues and Pornhub.
Look at all current builders we have building them today. With Today's Technology. To answer your Question. YES! THEY ARE COMING BACK BETTER THAN EVER. ACTUALLY THEY NEVER LEFT...
Wow brother you’re doing a hell of a job saving these bikes it’s awesome to fallow along. Quick question what is the best oil/ gas mixture for a brand new 2 stroke break in ?
The cost of big bores are not obtainable for a "regular guy" anymore, even one that's completely burnt. I love a big 2 stroke.
Just a phase.
Most riders can't handle all of what late model 2 stroke makez
Not making a come back for me ive always loved em
Bought a restored cr500 2001 for 21'500 k now can get nearly 30 k for it
dreaming
@@johnbecker5213 where I'm from u can one of my mates sold his for 27 k
If l had the space and where to ride it, l would own one, new or old.
Fok those overpriced, fart bombs 4 strokes made of unobtanium.
LONG LIVE THE 2 STROKES ! ✊💪🤘😊👍🇺🇲
I’ve owned green and red big bores. Yeah it was invigorating at the time to say the least, but my old 2009 XCW 530 does everything better except the sound and smell.
It's a fad. All it really takes is KTM or gas gas or really any other MX bike manufacturer to come out with a new modern 500cc 2 stroke and boom... The old CR500 you just paid $10000 for is now back to reality worth $3500 which is what they were going for before everyone got stimulus checks. New 450s are $10K you don't think they could make a brand new 2 stroke 500 and release it for $10k and make a killer profit? I give it 2 years.
ill tell you exactly why. its because electric dirt bikes entered the scene so all the 2 stroke guys that hate electric want to revive the 2 stroke scene