We Didn’t Know It Would Be THIS good. Dune Movie Blind Reaction Reaction
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This movie is so damn good!!
Just watched part 2.......9/10. I can't wait for you to get to it whenever that may be.....
“They’re aliens” Dune actually played with the idea that, given enough time apart on isolated planets, humans would eventually become alien to one another
In the book “God emperor of dune” the emperor Leto II is trying to prepare humanity for an unknown outside threat. Sadly Frank Herbert died before he could write another book and explore the idea. There’s two rumors, one that aliens would invade the empire or the other was that dangerous AI that survived the Jihad would come back and threaten all of humanity.
The only people who became truly alien from the rest of humanity were the Bene Tleilaxu, who weren’t featured in the film.
@@user-vl5lt4xi2pwe might see them in Part 2 or in a adaptation of “Messiah of Dune”
@@user-vl5lt4xi2p You either intentionally missed their point, or you have an extra chromosome
As long as they can still have children with each other... it's just small variations. There are no aliens in Dune.
Paul was trained since birth by a Bene Gesseritt, Duncan Idaho, Gurney Halleck, and Thuifer Hawat. Even at this age, he's probably one of the deadliest fighters in the galaxy.
“Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future.” - Yoda
Yep. All nobles in this galaxy are taught to fight with blades like this.... but the Atriedes are legendary for their powerful warriors. Only the Emperor's chosen soldiers, the Sardukar, could match them in skill. Its why the Emperor sent them to assist the Harkonen's invasion. Its implied that even with the numbers, they'd have lost to the skill of the Atriedes legions without the Sardukar. So not only is Paul trained, but trained by the VERY best. He'd mop up most Fremen warriors... especially if they aren't taking him seriously from the jump.
I love what Jessica thinks in this scene during the book - "Jamis was realizing that this wasn't like a child of their people, easy prey for a Fremen crysknife, but a fighting machine, bred and trained for it from birth"
Paul was trained in the weirding way as well. He could handle any Fremen at that time with ease.
@@-Bill. He also started Mentat Training, which was something they did without his knowledge. The Movie acknowledges that by having him fluently speak Mandarin while nobody but Yueh ever does so. He Also seemingly understands Chakobsa
@@vincentvt6229 I wonder if they will allude to it in the second movie, all they really would need to do is show Paul planning a mission and have his eyes flick to white like the other Mentats in the film. I love the people who criticize Dune as being a typical "white savior" chosen one story when it is the exact opposite. The whole point is that Messiahs are dangerous and horrible. I love reactors who think Paul is going to bring peace to the universe when he kills untold billions.
Killing Jamis was the lesson. In that fight, Jamis showed Paul the ways of the desert - kill, or be killed.
I was a friend of Jamis. Jamis taught me that when you kill, you pay for it.
@@KaironQD They must include this in part two.
Usul gives moisture to the dead!
I wish they'd included his obit
@@coffeeandbytes9854 I got bad news
Man, you guys caught ALL the intricacies of this movie. Glad you guys appreciated all the nuances. "I understand everything that's happening and nothing at all." THAT is the best way to approach this film.
😂😂😂😂 ha
They did surprisingly way better than a vast majority of reactors out there who are supposed to be better at this. These guys pay attention.
@@charlie7mason It makes me want to see them react to Dark given how good they are picking up stuff in the story.
@@svyatoslavrurikovich8831 Huh, sounds like that's something I should check out. It's the TV show I assume you're referring to?
Thought they were talking Farenheit though, lol.
I need to defend the doctor for a bit. He didn't really believe he'd get his wife back, he already knew she was as good as dead. He did what he did so he could get close enough to get revenge on the baron. Oh, and the doctor was pretty much like Judas.
Doctor Yueh is a hard character to convey on-screen, and it shows when every reaction channel says “he died for nothing”.
Doc knew his wife was dead. He knew the Baron wouldn’t uphold his end of the bargain. He ALSO knows that, if he says no to the Baron’s double-cross, he’ll be killed and the Baron will find someone else to betray the Duke. Yueh doesn’t die for nothing, everything he does is to save Paul and Jessica, because he knows that it’s the best that anybody could do in this perfect trap that’s been set for the Atreides. Yueh’s a stone cold genius.
In addition, there's context in the book that he genuinely thought that the Harkonnens were going to take the Atriedes regardless and this was the one good thing he could pull out of the inevitable.
Yep. You could perceive it as an act of desperation, but why would he give him a way, like that one, to kill the Baron if he thought he'd get out alive. Whats stopping the Duke from triggering the poison with him still in the room. He assumed they'd both die one way or another but this way they can at least bite back.
yeh i see him as doing "everyone here is going to die, with or without me doing this... but iam gonna give you a shot at vengeance for both of us" iam guessing they checked the doc considering the circumstances and also probably knew the baron would get close to duke to brag and gloat
I also kind of assumed that the Doctor hoped this would end his wifes torture. Once he's gone, continuing to torture her makes little sense. He'd rather they both be dead than her endlessly suffering.
My dude.
"The same thing that made her disqualify him from being the One is what makes him the One."
You nailed this so hard, proof is in the movie as well. Jamis would've been his teacher had he not made the choice to steal his gun and run making him look like a fool. Once that moment happened he had visions of the duel and how it could go.
The visions in the movie are kinda symbolic too, Jamis said he would teach him in the ways of the desert and he did. The desert is harsh and it's kill or be killed, you can't hold back
I don't think it was the gun that caused it, it was mainly the fact that Jessica bested Stilgar, as Jamis even said. I think in a possible future, Jessica died in the ornithopter crash and in that future Paul met the fremen and became friends with Jamis, as Jessica never ended up besting Stilgar and so Jamis never would issue the amtal
It wasn’t that Jamis looked like a fool, it was more so Jamis didn’t trust Paul and Jessica
It's crazy to discover in the books that Paul is a deconstruction of The One, we can already see the weight of his awareness being a curse. Being the object of a prophecy when all you want to do is protect your family can feel like you're watching yourself become a legendary cautionary tale.
Yep Paul isn’t the hero of this saga.
@@technopirate304well in a way, he and Leto II did what they did to save humanity from their stagnation. And even in the book, the very first chapter says Paul felt he had been branded with terrible purpose, he did not know yet what that terrible purpose was
A lot of Paul's visions are metaphors and open to interpretation. In his visions, Jamis was his teacher who taught him the ways of the dessert. In reality, Lady Jessica bests Stilgar in a fight leading Jamis to question Stilgar's leadership and challenged her to a fight. Because the Fremen recognize her holiness as a Bene Gesserit (in their language Sayyadina) he could not challenge her directly so she needed a proxy which is what Paul was. Jamis challenging Jessica taught Paul one of the most important lessons about how the Fremen view leadership and the price you pay to lead.
Similarly, the vision of Chani killing Paul is metaphorically true, if we accept the notion that "When you take a life, you take your own" - Chani handed Paul the blade that he used to kill Jamis, and Paul killing Jamis is the metaphorical death of self that allows him to become the Kwizatz Haderach.
Paul’s visions are probabilities. He’s seeing many paths but at first he doesn’t know what they mean… but later, he learns what path is the Golden Path
In a way, Jamis is a teacher, he teaches him his first lesson that he must become a killer, or be killed. I didn't pick that up until this viewing. But that's a pretty important and harsh lesson.
But yeah, his visions are probable futures, so you can't rely on them 100%
They’re not metaphors, they are possible futures.
Excellent comment. If I was pedantic (I am), it is desert, not dessert.
I really like Paul as a character. I find him to be one of the most relatable for me personally. Ignoring the powers, I like that he isn't really quiet out of shyness like a lot of quiet protagonists, but he quiet cause he spends a lot of time observing what is around him.
I agree. Paul gets more stoic in the sequel book, but I wonder if the second movie will go into detail of his disillusionment of becoming Emperor.
@@tamiwatchesstuff dune 2 paul was so different from 1 already fr
I'm not surprised y'all were confused regarding the communal spitting between the Fremen in the testing station - the movie didn't go into it - but the reason why all of them are involved is implicitly explained in the book: they're making coffee! The reason they all have to spit is just so that there's enough moisture to produce drinkable coffee. Sure, they're not getting any _extra_ moisture out of it (since they're just re-drinking moisture they themselves provided), but it's just about having a little communal event where they can enjoy the taste of something a bit different than their own recycled sweat :)
Also, the symbolism of the occasional references to bulls and bullfighting is super subtle, but very important. The Baron's surname Harkonnen is taken from the Finnish surname _Härkönen,_ a historical derivative from Finnish _härkä_ "ox, bull". In other words, it's not just Paul's grandfather who died during a bullfight: symbolically, in the millennia-long feud with the Harkonnens, the _entire Atreides clan_ has been continuously engaged in one enormous eon-long bullfight.
Also, the move Gurney does to Paul, that Paul later does to kill Jamis, is very similar to how a matador feints a bull before stabbing it.
Coffee is a diuretic, the worst thing to drink in that Climate .
@@eno6712 Eh, the still suits probably filter that. So first coffee, and then a nice tank of purified shit water afterwards!
I’m glad someone remembers that the stilsuits recycles all the body’s moisture. However it doesn’t purify it, it just taste like stale water. And the sietch smells like bo and cinnamon because of the suits.
@@eno6712yes, but not that many plants can grow on Arrakis, I feel like coffee beans are one of the few things they can grow in that climate. So it might not be the best to drink in the desert, but it’s basically the only option besides body water
The reverend mother called Paul "human" after the test because he had passed. Had he failed, she would have considered him little more than an animal and killed him with the needle. The Bene Gesserit recognize that many people are truly little more than animals, and they have been crossing bloodlines for centuries, manipulating the royal houses, to achieve their goals. Also, even though Paul passed, the reverent mother holds more than a little disdain for him because Jessica, a Bene Gesserit sister, was ordered to bear a daughter, not a son.
An Atreides daughter could have been wed to a Harkonnen son, which was their plan. Jessica, out of love for Duke Leto, bore him a son, thus preventing the Bene Gesserit access to that blood line crossing. The reverend mother is also disgusted with Jessica's decision to bear a son because she thinks Jessica did so to try to bring about the ultimate being, the Kwisatz Haderach. This was not Jessica's intention, but, ironically, she did just that.
Jessica said she saw the possibility, but both her and Mohiam knew that was a lie. Jessica should’ve gotten pregnant shortly after Paul, however I think that was mostly a choice she was leaving for the Duke.
Jamis DID teach Paul. He DID show him the way. That's an important aspect to the dreams - they're accurate, but not always in the way you'd expect.
🤣🤣You guys picked up on every little detail I think the director intended for people to pick up, but all in your first viewing lol well done.
Thank you
It's wonderful to watch intelligent, perceptive people react to such a profound and original story. Dune (the book by Frank Herbert) influenced Star Wars, Game of Thrones and the entire genre of science fiction. And Villeneuve has done a masterful job of adapting it into an epic movie.
And they rightly made the connection with Neo from Matrix too. Well done 👏🏾
@@wathsi99except Neo was actually a chosen one. Paul was an attempt to make a male reverend mother that can see down the male genetic memory. And the “prophecy” was something for the bene gesserit to use to give them power in a hostile environment, and the lisan al’gaib prophecy was reserved for truly horrible planets as Jessica notes.
Correct guess! The bull’s head IS from the bull that killed Duke Leto’s dad (Paul’s granddad) It is mentioned in the book, but was just one of the many details that there wasn’t room/time to expand on in the movie. They actually brought it with them from Caladan to Dune.
My interpretation is that it is there as symbolism for Atreides “provoking the bull” and Leto going to Dune, despite knowing it is a trap. The bull this time being the emperor/Harkonnens.
This adaptation is actually very close to the book though. Sure there wasn’t room for every detail from the book (there never is) but much of it is there or at least hinted at, and they changed very little from what happens in the book so far.
They don't show it in the movie I don't think but the banner for house harkonnen literally has a bull on it
@@angeldoe1229 I was going to say that. Yea Harkonnen’s sigil is a bull…So many great usages of symbolism in this series.
@@ryanhampson673 The name Harkonnen itself comes from a Finnish name that means "little ox, little bull". The symbolism runs deep!
Or Leto is the bull, charging past a blatant ruse and into certain death
@@rhonafenwick5643 the name wasn't picked for that reason, it was just a very cool coincidence
*Leto being a really good dad*
"Oh, this dad gonna die soon"
Too funny man😂
Fun fact: Apparently the original Dune novel was so mcfreaking thicc that not a lot of publishing companies could, well, publish it. The original publisher, Chilton Publishing, put out _car manuals,_ which were so thick that they had actual experience in publishing a doorstopper like Dune.
1. The line "Goodbye, young human" makes a little more sense if you've read the book. The script has condensed a longer discussion into a couple of lines.
Everyone in the Frank Herbert novels are human. To the Bene Gesserit, a person is only human if they have self-control. A person who cannot control their instincts is an animal. The Reverend Mother is pointing out that Paul controlled his instincts, and is now considered to be human.
2. When Paul, Leto, and Jessica arrive on Arrakis, you see the Atreides soldiers and Jessica's ladies-in-waiting. I presume there are also some household staff that have made the journey from Caladan.
3. The Baron Harkonnen isn't a snake. He has suspensor implants that allow him to float/glide. You can see the back implants in the steam room scene.
I love what they did with his costume. The baron is very fat, and uses suspensors to carry that weight. If you're floating most of the time, you don't have to worry about tripping on your own clothes. So it makes sense that the Baron would choose clothes that is unusual (and intimidating).
4. In the book, Leto knew he was walking into a trap. Because the Emperor ordered the Atreides to Arrakis, Leto was left with only 2 options: go to Arrakis, or become a renegade house by fleeing the empire. Knowing it was a trap, Leto hoped he could use that knowledge to avoid the trap.
5. (People who haven't read the book probably wouldn't catch this) I loved how the film uses color to show the likelihood of Paul's premonitions. When the future is in a lot of flux, the dreams have a heavy orange tint. But when Paul has a premonition that is certain and impossible to avoid, the dream has no orange tint.
The dream where Chani stabs Paul is just one of many possible futures. A future that could easily be changed. Paul's dreams about Jamis also changed by the end of the film; If Jamis had lived, then he would have been Paul's teacher. Paul saw that future, and learned from it. But that future never happened because he killed Jamis.
6. Paul wasn't a planned part of the Bene Gesserit breeding program. Jessica was ordered to have a daughter. (The Bene Gesserit have so much control over their bodies that they can choose the sex of their child.) But Leto wanted a son so badly that Jessica disobeyed the Bene Gesserit.
7. Leto's nakedness: This is the first change the movie makes that I think is an improvement over the book. The best way to check a person for weapons is to strip them naked. I assume the Harkonnens also scanned/probed Leto, but the false poison tooth was designed so that it would be hard to detect.
8. Dr. Yueh knew that he was going to die when he saw the Baron. But Yueh wanted to kill the Baron and to see that his wife was freed from her agony.
The Baron would have been suspicious if Yueh didn't meet with him. That suspicion could have led to a more thorough examination of Leto, and they might have found the poison tooth. Also, Yueh wanted to know if his wife was still being tortured. The only way to learn that would be to see Baron's reaction when he asked for his wife.
But Yueh wasn't just being selfish. The Harkonnens had an ancient vendetta against the Atreides. The Baron wasn't going to be satisfied until ALL the Atreides were dead, including Paul. Yueh knew that Leto was going to lose against the Baron. That left only 2 options to save Paul's life: kill the Baron or hide Paul amongst the Fremen. Dr. Yueh chose both options, but only one of them worked.
Yueh also suggested they use a special ornithopter to drop Paul and Jessica in the desert. He told the Harkonnens that it was fitted for desert flight. What he did not tell them was he prepared the ornithopter so that Paul and Jessica would have a chance to escape.
If you look past the betrayal, Yueh's plan was probably the only plan that could save Paul and Jessica.
9. The poison didn't kill the Baron because he had his shield on. Air passes slowly through a shield. Also, the Baron was moving away from Leto, which helped. The Baron still got poisoned, but it wasn't enough to kill him.
10. Paul's eyes turned blue because of Spice. How blue your eyes get is determined by how much Spice you ingest. People who consume only small amounts of Spice would have a very light blue tinge to their eyes. The Spice-heavy Fremen diet would lead to Paul's blue eyes in the vision. Consuming huge amounts of Spice (like the Guild Navigators do) causes the eyes to look almost black.
Contact lenses are sometimes used to hide how much Spice a person is taking.
11. The Fremen are not using their spit to make coffee. They are sucking clean water from their stillsuits and spitting that out. Of course, there would be a little spit, but most of it would be water.
I like scene. It shows that when Fremen make coffee, each person gives some of their water to make it.
12. Paul's visions: At this point, Paul hasn't reached the full potential of his visions. Right now, he is just getting glimpses of possible futures. Later, he will be able to see all possible futures.
As I understand it, the Bene Gesserit breeding program was meant to create a person who could see the past and the future. They intended for this person to be under the control of the Bene Gesserit. Paul was an unexpected mutation. A person who can see all possible futures is very difficult to control.
13. I've posted this on other Dune reaction videos, but I think it is so useful that I should re-post it:
Here is what I suggest if you want to really enjoy the Duniverse:
* If you are NOT a reader, try dining on roast desert hare in sauce cepeda:
A. Watch Dune - Part 1 (2021)
B. Watch Dune - Part 2 or Dune: The Sisterhood, whichever comes out first.
* If you are a reader, have a nice sip of coffee with melange:
1. Watch Dune - Part 1 (2021)
2. Watch Dune - Part 2 or Dune: The Sisterhood when they are released, regardless of which step you are on. If they aren't out yet, skip to step 3.
3. Read Dune, but stop when Paul meets Jamis.
4. Read "Terminology of the Imperium" at the back of the book. DO NOT read the Apendices.
5. Watch Dune - Part 1 (and Part 2 if it is out).
6. Read Dune start to finish.
* If you're still thirsty, follow that up with a flagon of spice beer:
7. Watch Dune (1984)
* Become a hadji:
8. Read the SHORT STORY "The Road to Dune". This short story was included in the novel "Eye". It might be included in the novel "The Road to Dune", but I'm not sure.
* If you're ready for a touch of the spicebrush:
9. Read Dune Messiah
10. Read Children of Dune
11. Read God Emperor of Dune
* Now its time to wear a real Fremen stillsuit...
12. Watch Frank Herbert's Dune (SciFi channel miniseries)
13. Watch Frank Herbert's Children of Dune (SciFi channel miniseries)
* ...and earn your own maula pistol:
14. Read The Dune Encyclopedia by Willis E. McNelly. It was authorized by Frank Herbert, but is considered non-cannon. However, a major plot point of God Emperor of Dune is that historians are often mistaken, and sometimes outright lie about the past. Because of that, I consider The Dune Encyclopedia to be an in-universe book written by fairly ignorant historians. I think The Dune Encyclopedia is out of print, but I've seen it being sold second-hand, and I think there are some digital scans floating around on the internet.
* Now bless the Maker and receive the Eyes of Ibad:
15. Read Heretics of Dune
16. Read Chapterhouse Dune
* Now hear the words of Korba the Panegyrist:
17. Read House Atreides
18. Read House Harkonnen
19. Read House Corrino
20. Read The Butlerian Jihad
21. Read The Machine Crusade
22. Read The Battle of Corrin
* Ride Shai-Hulud to Kralizec:
23. Read Hunters of Dune
24. Read Sandworms of Dune
* Drink the Water of Life
25. Read all the Dune books in chonological order. A list can be found at dunenovels.com/chronological-order-of-dune-books/
* Enter the Alam al-Mithal
26. Learn about Frank Herbert's influences.
You'll find a good list of influential books at www.reddit.com/r/dune/comments/jiv53k/who_influenced_frank_herbert/
Here is a list of topics that I think would be helpful to check out on Wikipedia.
Just keep in mind that these ARE NOT one-to-one parallels to the things in the books. (The Bene Gesserit are not a stand in for the Society of Jesus. But if you understand how the Jesuits played around with politics, you'll have a better sense of how the Bene Gesserit play around with politics.)
- The Society of Jesus
- The Caucasian War
- The various "East India" companies (Dutch East India Company, British East India Company, etc)
- T.E. Lawrence
- Atreus
- Holy Roman Empire
- Hydraulic empire
Damn, you are a downright scholar.
I think that by having Leto be naked Villeneuve wanted to hint at the Baron's "depravity" without depicting him as a full on child molester as the book does, because that would make very unfortunate implications considering that the Baron is the only gay character in the books.
*Look both ways
_Watch the episode of the Grim adventures of Billy & Mandy where they spoofed God Emperor of Dune, right down to the clones.
@@matthewbreytenbach4483 I just watched Mandy the Merciless. I kinda wish they hadn't kept the story so close to the book. It left me craving a God Emperor anime instead of a parody.
After that, I went looking for other parodies. South Park's "Turd Burglar" was hilarious...
@@axebeard6085
Nice!
It's amazing how close to the book it was. I didn't realize that it was a parody until I picked up the God Emperor audiobook a few years ago. As I was listening I was like "wait a minute, I know this story". XD
I haven't seen Turd Burglar, but "Make love not Warcraft" was great if you haven't seen that one.
@@matthewbreytenbach4483 Who HASN'T seen "Make Love Not Warcraft"? 😀
You three honestly understood this so well, it made me so happy! This story is quite something, and the worldbuilding is intense. So excited for Part 2!
The 90 degrees was in Celsius not Fahrenheit. That’s 194 degrees Fahrenheit. Arrakis is extremely hot. So hot that water is hardly present on the planet’s surface.
No, it was in Fahrenheit, and it would climb to 140 later in the day.... but you have to take into account that Arrakeen is built almost at the north pole. It gets far worse everywhere else.
Huh, I thought they were only using the metric system, and Celsius system in this movie. Oh well, it’s extremely hot either way, and the movie captured the inescapable heat really well.
Adds so much weight to the scene of the palm trees needing hella water
@@LucasGonzalez-rj9bk They always translating metric to American for movies so they don't get confused. Nothing to do about it
@@MrProthall You're talking about _Imperial Units,_ not _American._ And no temperature scales are metric.
I've been a Dune fan for over 35 years and I'm amazed how quickly you all picked up on the story (including subtle, but important sub-plots and themes I would never ever expect 1st time Duners to detect). All 3 of you made good points analyzing an incredibly deep and multi-layered story. Freaking well done!
Part 2 is coming in November 2023, and the recent trailer looks amazing - check it out, has me more hyped to see a movie on opening night than I've been in many years. Absolutely can't wait.
Glad you liked it!
Indeed, the story is quite compelling but worldbuilding needs its time, and they stayed pretty close to the original story and scenes of the book. Some details were omitted, but that's unavoidable when adapting such a lore-heavy book.
As to give you some info on the lore and politics of the Duniverse, so it becomes a bit more clear:
You have 4 major powerblocks in this universe:
1)The Emperor (and his army, the Sardaukar)
2)The Landsraad, consisting of a dozen Great Houses (and many Minor Houses, all vying for power). Think Game-of-Thrones here, but in sci-fi setting. ;-)
3)The Bene Gesserit; a semi-religious Order of women whom have certain powers (like the Voice, or being a Truthsayer, and some others not shown yet) and exert a lot of behind-the-scenes influence, but mostly stay low-profile
4) The Guild Navigators and CHOAM; a strong mercantile power, with a monopoly on spacetravel
It was more or less explained in the beginnings when Paul talked with his dad on Caladan: House Atreides is a growing power, politically and military, and the Emperor feels threatened. But he can't directly attack the House, because otherwise the Landsraad (the ensemble of Great Houses) will turn against him. As said, they each constitute a "big power" in this Duniverse. So the Landsraad and the Emperor keep each other in check, as it were.
Meanwhile, the Bene Gesserit are working from the shadows, on both sides - they primarily are concerned with their own plans and devices, to create the Kwizatsh Haderach. They manipulate from the shadows and actually form the third great power in this universe, but seldom show it openly. They also exert power by political marriages, or become concubines for political advantages - which is why Jessica wasn't married to Leto, though it was done to benefit him and House Atreides, not herself or the Sisterhood.
The fourth independent power, which is hardly touched upon in this first part of the movie, is the Spacing Guild and CHOAM. They're like a huge mercantile power, and the Guild Navigators are the only ones able to move/teleport (technically folding space-time) between planets, so without them, there would be no viable interstellar Imperium. Which make them essential and an enormous powerhouse as well - though, of course... they are and remain dependent on the Spice. That's why: whom controls Arrakis, controls the Empire.
So the Emperor can't directly attack a Great House like Artreides, or he risks all-out war with the Landsraad, consisting of the other Great Houses. Instead, he uses an indirect attack, with and through the Harkonnens - who want their fiefplanet back with all the Spice - doing the grunt work for him. The emperor knows they will be easily instigated that way, certainly because the Atreides and Harkonnen already have a centuries-old feud going on between them. It's a sort of proxy war, thus. He does help the Harkonnen to make sure they'll win - hence why he sends a few battalions of Sardaukar, his elite troops. But no-one (especially the Landsraad) may know about that. (That's also why they killed Liet, because she was going to expose the Emperor's meddling).
Also, some details one might have missed in the movie:
About the time in which the story plays: in the beginning of the movie they show it's the year 10191, but this is not 10191 AD, it's 10191 AG.
AG (After Guild - when the Spice Guild was made and started exploring the stars), and BG (Before Guild) are the iterations used and the lore in the books gives some indication as how that relates to our AD (Anno Domini). The most precise date - with a high level of accuracy - is that the first Dune novel which is set in 10,191 AG, corresponds approximately to 23,148 AD.
It is mentioned the "space age" takes place in 11,000 BG, and assuming this would mean it began in 1957 AD as this is when the first satellite, Sputnik, was launched, we can rebuild the whole timeline to our AD. So if you add the year 11,000 BG to 10,191 AG you’re left with a time span of 21,191 years. So if you add 21,191 years to 1957 AD, you’re left with 23,148 AD as the most likely date.
Quite some time! Most casual watchers of the movie think it's almost 10000 years in the future, but it's actually more than twice as much!
Now...as far as the melee fights and old/new tech are concerned, it's important to realize that in the Duniverse, while there is very high-tech at CERTAIN aspects, others are low tech (which gives the retro-feeling of the movie) but with a reason. It may seem strange at first sight, but note, however, that this has an in-story explanation, namely: thousands of years ago, there was a rebellion against "thinking machines" (AI) called the Butlerian Jihad. Humanity won (barely), but since that time there is a very strong taboo on creating anything resembling robots or AI, and humanity started to develop their own powers (aided by the melange/spice), such as Mentats (basically human supercomputers). This is the reason you don't see any highly developed robots, AI or even computers in this world.
This mix of old and new tech is a defining, historically explained element of the Duniverse; it's part of the worldbuilding and lore. Now, specifically about the melee combat: maybe you missed it, but they explained the shields in that fighting scene; they said "the slow sword can penetrate it". This is a hint that ALL objects with high kinetic energy are stopped dead in their tracks when hitting the shield, but SLOW objects can penetrate it. Meaning: ALL of our "modern" warfare weapons would largely become obsolete: machine-guns and all fast moving shells/bullets etc. become useless, but swords and knifes that are SLOWLY moved can still reach a target through the shields. Making the use of swords and knifes, after thousands of years, the dominant way of fighting once again. It's actually a cool twist.
That's all I'm going to say about it, because any more would get you into spoiler territory for part 2! ;-)
Hope that made things more clear!
I would just add that the Emperor feared House Atreides for two reasons. The Duke was an honorable man who other members of the Landsraad admired. He was forging alliances and never married Jessica (his concubine) because he hoped to one day marry the Emperor's daughter and thereby become Emperor. But the second reason forced the Emperor to act. Duncan Idaho and Gurney Halleck were two of the greatest warriors in the Duniverse. They trained the Atreides army and had made them the equal to the Emperor's Saudakaur. The Emperor could never allow that.
Why do i keep seeing you chill
Beautifully done :) I always wonder if the director could've included this lore in the movie.... as it stands the movie is a great gateway to the novels.
@@justareader____ Probably because I'm chilling all over the place, when it's about Dune. ;-)
@@AniMageNeBy fair enough
Once Paul gets his full power, he can see every possible future and pick the optimal one for him. Unfortunately the optimal one does not mean he can control every thing that happens, some bad stuff will happen no matter what he decides. That is the curse of being able to forecast the future.
The situation with Dr Yueh is actually a bit more complicated. He knew fully that his wife was dead and that the Baron would kill him, but this provided him an avenue to possible vengeance through the poison tooth
Also what isn’t mentioned in the movie is that the Doctor is a graduate of the Sook medical school. The tatoo on his forehead is a sign that he has been mentally conditioned to not be able to harm another human being.
However his love for his wife Wanna was so strong it broke his conditioning. That is why it’s such a shock that he is the traitor.
Additionally, Wanna, as a Bene Geserit, taught Yueh a degree of truth detection, and so Yueh could really only get 100% confirmation of Wanna’s death/release from agony by being before the Baron in person and reading him to determine if he was lying or not.
Yueh didn’t know she was dead, He could only speculate until he saw the baron
The fight with Jamis - in the book, Paul is used to fighting with shields, and pulls his blade at the last second - as you would do in order to get through the shield, which allows Jamis to dodge at the last second several times, and the Fremen think that Paul is just toying with him, because if he hadn't pulled his punches, Jamis would have died already.
About the cousin thing, you're totally right that all the houses are related in some way. But Leto is actually related to the Emperor himself, which the Baron isn't. Leto is the great grandson of the Emperor's grandfather (according to the prequels, the main books only mention that he's the Emperor's cousin) so he literally has royal blood. That is partially why the Emperor needs him gone - Leto at that point is pretty much universally beloved among the other noble houses (with the exception of the Harkonnens, of course) so paired with his ancestry, the Emperor is worried he might try and succeed at taking the throne for himself.
There is a really plausible theory that had Leto survived the attack, he really would have eventually become the Emperor of the Universe.
Leto was 16th in line for the throne, though I think Shaddam was more worried about the idea of Leto having a political marriage. Remember, Leto never married even though Jessica was still treated as the dutchess and his right hand
Just a few minutes into the movie and y'all have figured out spice is a metaphor for oil. I love you guys!
Except it's not, and was never intended to be that at all, as explicitly stated by Frank Herbert himself. That's just you projecting your own views onto the material.
@@hoon_sol wtf ??? Where did you even read this because I’ve read him stating it did start out as an analogy for oil but obviously can have valid enough points for other interpretations
@@life09m How do so many think that oil is the only thing humans have ever fought, died, and conquered over? In fact, one of the earliest things that led to imperialism in the modern world was literally spices (and tea) from the East. That one led to imperial colonization of India, as well as the Americas as they were searching for better trade routes, among other things. Spices, gold, oil... Ultimately, it's all the same.
Veronica. Thank you for the acknowledgment
Julio. Thank you
14:25, in a later Dune series novel (that some don't take as canon) it was revealed that this Reverend Mother is actually Paul's maternal grandmother and therefore Jessica's mother. But because the Bene Gesserit care only for intrigue and power, she would have easily dispatched Paul without a tear shed.
The Reverend Mother is such a prime example of the Bene Gesserit mindset that she doesn't realize that Jessica gave Leto a son out of love not pride. However, Duke Leto is such an honorable and compassionate man, Jessica fell in love against her lifetime of indoctrination. Leto was probably the first person to ever show her true love and fell in love with her as well.
Bene Gesserit are highly valued by the leaders of the noble houses of the Empire as wives and concubines. However, what is not known is that the Bene Gesserit have total control over their bodies and its chemical interactions. So they can actually choose the sex of their children. Nothing they ever do is random at all.
Don’t spoil it for them! The fuck man?
👏👏👏 What a brilliant reaction. As a book fan, it's difficult to see the movie 'with fresh eyes' (I automatically infill all my knowledge), so when this popped up in my suggested I thought I'd try to watch a reaction. This wildly exceeded my expectations. 7 minutes in you observed: "You primitives use this beautiful oil to get high. We're gonna come through and use it for good old imperialism!" - and I knew I had made the right choice. Very very astute observations and comments throughout, you have gained a new subscriber!
Great reaction! Y’all are very sharp. Paul’s visions are not exactly the future, but possible futures. He sees possibilities and then makes choices which can change them or enforce them. They’re also very figurative as well. Jamis becoming his friend and teaching him the ways of the desert actually happen because Paul killed him, and then he was accepted by Stilgars people. Paul’s visions of Chani killing was killing his old self so that the new person can be reborn.
"Does that have an extra zero..." I love seeing the reactions at how far in the future this world is!
Can't wait for Dune 2!
In the books too I think they say 13,000 years have passed since proper record keeping, so this is more like the year 23,000 from our perspective. That's why all the tech is both new and ancient.
@@hellomark1 Its rare to see Sci-fi this far in the future in cinema. Can't wait to see what Denis does with Rendezvous with Rama!
@@hellomark1 yea. It’s the year 10191 A.G. “After Guild”. After the creation of the spacing guild. It’s at least that much more time extra from our time, so 22-23,000 years. It’s so far in the future that Earth has faded into myth, with some not even believing it ever existed .
@@hellomark1 not really. Artificial intelligence or advanced computer technology has been permanently retired and gradually replaced over eons by expansion of the human mind's capability. This is expressed by the Bene Gesserit, Spacing Guild and The Mentats. Machines and technology still exist, just in an elaborate mechanical format and not in a digital one. Someone tossed the term "Raypunk" at Dune elsewhere and I think that kinda nails it!
@@ryanhampson673 Thanks for the info...I think I will read Dune Messiah before Dune 2 hits theaters!!
I wonder if there are other Sci fi that far into the future or further?
Yeah, there's already a great comment explaining Yueh's betrayal and why it was actually a huge act of sacrifice and love/respect. The only thing I would add is that he only promised "For Paul, I will do what I can."
He gets the Duke's ring to him, so Paul can certify his identity in the future, and gets them a pack that is literally the only reason they survive the desert at night. All things considered, the man was a hero.
Finally, he doesn’t do this to save his wife. He does it to end her agony.
"They pull her apart like a doll." Some things are worse than death. Once he knew his wife was dead, it was mission accomplished.
I love how much of the subtext yall picked up on. The movie is done so well. It was fun to watch yall watch
Thank you as well. It was a fun movie
16:11 The Reverend Mother is human and calls Paul a “human” as a subtle sign of respect. Only a true human could override the autonomic pain response to keep his hand in the box.
In the book, after the gom gabbar test, the Reverend Mother asked Paul to sit at her feet like a disciple. Paul basically told her to kick rocks.
Paul doesn't see *the* future. He sees possible futures. In the book, after killing him, Paul says "I was a friend of Jamis." Their training together wasn't meant to be, but because of the visions, killing him was like killing an old friend and mentor.
Baron Harkonnen survived because of his shield. It slowed down the movement of the poison enough that he could mostly get away.
but... the shield stops fast things and is penetrated by slow things ???
@@kidgforce1 a side effect of the shield is that it slows down gas exchange.
Oscar Isaac did a fantastic job with that small, but crucial role.
I know, right? I loved Duke Leto even more after seeing this movie!
Woah. Considering you guys didn’t know anything about the story beforehand, you guys grasped the concepts and allegory real quick! Super impressed!
Top tier reaction, you three. I love hearing your thought processes throughout the movie!
I appreciate that
i love watching people get really into the lore of this setting while reacting to this movie.
you mentioned a couple of times that the tech looks both old and new; in the books, there was a huge war against AI thousands of years ago that basically changed everything about how human society was organized. without any computers, everyone's had to develop their own personal abilities -- like Thufir Hawat's eyes going white while he does math (he's a Mentat, a human computer) or all the Bene Gesserit stuff like the voice and their martial arts, all of that was to compensate for not having computers anymore.
so the tech looking old and also new kind of reflects that idea, a sci-fi world without any computers at all.
Frank Herbert is one of the fathers of sci-fi with his first book being released in 1965. And Fun Fact: George Lucas paid homage to Frank Herbert’s dune with Tatooine in Star Wars like Sarlok pit = Sandworm, Tusken Raider = Fremen, Spice Melange = Spice, Tatooine = Arakkis, etc.
And Frank Herbert borrowed from the John Carter of Mars series which Lucas also borrowed from. Sith, Banth all come from the Mars books.
@@reptomicusProof that almost everything is a refined fanfic, and to never be ashamed of your muse. 😂 Create, create, create. Be inspired. Lol whether it's completely original, or based on a favorite, just DO IT. ❤
Your attention to detail is so on point, you guys even caught stuff I didn't catch on my several rewatches of this film. Def subscribing!
It's fascinating to me to see people watch this movie who are going in cold. They don't know the story, they haven't read the book. I'm a huge Dune nerd, and knew everything going in. But it was awesome to see how much you were able to put together from only the information on-screen. You put together the detail, which was right from the book, that the bull's head was from the bull that killed the Old Duke. You made the Spice/Oil connection right away. There are a bunch of other examples, too. It really speaks to how well Denis translated the book to the movie.
yo the speed with which the two dudes comprehend whats going on and extrapolate what theyre seeing to draw future conclusions is awesome. especially the dude on the left when he immediately makes connections between the story of Dune and perpetual conflict in the Middle East.
The Reverend Mother says "Goodbye young Human, I hope you live." because he passed the test. In passing the test he showed he was a human, not an animal.
What makes Paul distinct from the Bene Gesserit is the ability to see both past and future. The Bene Gesserit who become Reverend Mothers can see their ancestors’ memories, making them very wise and knowledgeable. Paul has the potential to see the past and the future.
However, Paul’s power is not complete, he only sees potential futures. Actions and mistakes change the circumstances. Jamis saved them from the worm and so lost respect for them. But if Paul didn’t step on the drum sand, he might have become friends with him. And even in death he did teach him the ways of the desert, kill or be killed.
There's no way you uploaded this 6 hours ago! You did this reaction almost 2 years ago when the movie was released in theaters and HBO MAX!
This is a re-upload from their main YT channel: 'yaboyrocklee'. Why did they do it? I don't know, but I'm not going to watch the same thing a second time, because it's already wasting precious time, and no one will give it back to me.
@@coman6143 watching Dune is not a waste of time. Maybe for you. I watched it 12 times. I love the movie amd i enjoy watching people react to it. I was only pointing out that they already did the reaction a couple of years ago!
@@lucagiovanetti9870 I did not write that watching Dune is a waste of time. I myself have watched Villeneuve's film 3 times, but watching someone else's reactions IS a waste of time especially how it's a re-upload! where you can still find the 'original reaction' on their first channel! Besides, I have read 4 Duna books, I have 2 left to finish the saga. I'm curious how many books have you read? Back to the point - TIME is the only thing in the world that no one will give you back! If you are bankrupt, you can always bounce back from the bottom. If you have health problems, there is always a chance that you or the docs will help you. TIME NO ONE WILL GIVE YOU BACK! NOT EVEN 1 SECOND!
P.S. Good luck in wasting your time! In the age of the internet, people are getting dumber and lazier destroying their health.
23:00 Thufir Hawat wanted to resign not just out of honor but out of a sense of love. He is their Mentat Master of Assassins. It’s his job run the counter intelligence and black ops program for the Atreides. So in this moment he failed his job.
Furthermore, Thufir has worked for House Atreides since the time of Leto’s father Duke Paulus Atreides. He has always been by Leto’s side being his closest advisor and a surrogate father figure. In many ways he is a grandfather to Paul.
That is why when they landed on Arrakis Paul ran up to Thufir and hugged him so fiercely.
With the exception of Dr. Yuen the Atreides inner circle are extremely loyal and dedicated to the family.
Gurney is a real one, sad y'all even doubted him but at the same time nice that you weren't trusting anyone. Back when Gurney comes in to train Paul when they were still on Caladan, Gurney gets mad at Paul for having his back to the door. Paul's say "I would recognize your footsteps old man....", Gurney pops back with "They could be imitated, and Paul's says "I would know the difference." and then Gurney goes in on him so it is kind of lost in the moment.
Later when Paul's get hit by that Spice when they are trying to save the harvester crew, and he is kind of lost in his own mind, and in his visions. He says the line again as Gurney comes up behind him to knock him out of the stupor he was in. It was a nice callback that also starts to show when Paul is having these early visions he gets lost in them and detaches from reality a bit. His vision are of many possible outcomes, it is imperfect as you start to see as it goes on. I think Denis Villeneuve absolutely nailed that feeling here.
What I love most about the books and the various version done for screen is that, little bits of dialogue like that have relevance in the moment but as teh story continues to unfold in this movie/book and beyond, they continue to have meaning.
So many stories riffed on or outright stole themes that Frank Herbert popularized in his stories, it bums me out when folks haven't been exposed to it and their first point of reference for it a lesser version that was just style-stealing off of Frank Herbert.
Dude sooo satisfying seeing first time watchers picking up on so much. Cant wait to see part 2 reaction
The main defense in Arrakkean (the city) was the shield generator. With the shield charged no missiles or bullets could breach the city. Lasers cannot be used because they would blow up everyone, including the attackers. Only swords and slow darts can be used against shields. Because you can pierce the shield by moving slowly.
That is why when the doctor destroyed the shield generator the Atreides were done. Because then all that needed to be done, was to foldspace above Arrakis, in total surprise and barrage the city with missiles and lasgun blasts.
The only thing to keep care for is not shooting a solider or a ship or ‘thopter that activated their own personal shields, with a laser beam. Otherwise it’s a thermonuclear blast.
In Dune, most fighting is hand to hand-The only ones who regularly use hand held guns, Maula Pistols, are the Fremen. This is because shields cannot be used in the open desert, because they drive the worms berserk into a killing frenzy against the shield wearer.
The reason why see two different versions of Jamis, is because of Paul's visions. They are of possible futures. The one that taught Paul everything he knew about Fremen culture, like how he just knew how to put the stillsuit on in the traditional fremen way, is because Paul was dreaming of an entire alternate timeline where Jamis was not hostile to him, but his friend and teacher. It helps explains Pauls reluctance to kill him when they face off. Or it was just meant to be a metaphor.
To give you some back story into the Dune universe / saga; a story that spans 35’000 years, it’s good to know that dates are know as BG (Before Guild) & AG (After Guild). The Guild monopoly on space travel / transport and upon interstellar banking is taken as the beginning point of the Imperial Calendar.
Interestingly, the events of Dune when set to our current Earth years, take place 20’000 years into our future; so technically we are part of the Dune story.
A little timeline for the Dune universe.
19000-16000BG - Earliest civilisations on Terra (Earth)
16500BG - The Roman Empire
14100BG - 13600BG - Our Solar System is colonised.
13402BG - An asteroid hits Terra making it uninhabitable.
13402BG - 13399BG - The Rescue of Treasures off Terra.
13360BG - Terra is reseeded & set aside as a natural park under Imperial Decree.
200-108BG - The Butlerian Jihad. the crusade to free humans from thinking machines.
86BG - Foundation of House Atreides.
O - Foundation of The Guild.
10140AG - Duke Leto is born
10190-10191 - House Atreides moves to Arrakis.
I saw Dune in IMAX on release day & it just begs to be seen on a huge screen. This really is the adaptation that fans of the novel; like myself, have been wanting for so long.
It wasn’t rushed & forced to cram the story in to a short run time like the Lynch version; it was given the space to breathe. Also the vastness of the worlds were also allowed that space.
Not for a long time; probably since Blade Runner 2049, or seeing LOTR in a theatre have I repeatedly let out sighs of relief….& smiled so much at how amazing a film has been.
From a design point of view (as I have a degree in film design), the worlds are spectacular. From the Grecian influence on Caladan, to the brutalist buildings of Arrakeen were epic. The size of the Guild Highliners is incredible….& seeing Salusa Secundus was just the icing on the cake. Can’t wait to see more of Shai Hulud!!
Casting was spot on; just wish we’d been given more of Piter De Vries!! Rebecca Ferguson was excellent as Jessica & the regendering of Liet Kynes didn’t even bother me. The Baron is truly terrifying; not some pantomime villain as we saw in the Lynch version.
In Part 2 (which will deal with the second part of the novel & then if we’re really lucky a third film, based on Dune Messiah) we’ll get to see Zendeya’s Chani be given the chance to really develop.
Also, we’re yet to fully see the terrifying Feyd Rautha; Austin Butler has been cast in the role, along with Christopher Walken as Emperor Shaddam IV.
10/10 & an absolute must see in the theatres!!!
Also, a few little things of interest:
The Kangaroo Mouse, Maud’Dib will have special significance in Part 2
Paul’s line ‘I recognise your footsteps old man’ are him alluding to Shai Hulud. The worms have many names; many given to them by the Fremen. These including Old Man of The Desert, Old Man Eternity & Grandfather of The Desert. In Arabic Shayʾ-Khulud translates as "Thing of Eternity" or "Thing of Immortality", consisting of Shayʾ "thing of" (in construct state) and Khulud "eternity" or "immortality".
At this point, Paul's visions are imperfect. It is called prescience. He is seeing possible futures.
The book says it best: to know the future is to be trapped by it. Paul sees bad things coming, being done in his name. He could let himself die, but then he'd have NO control over it - so he's doing what he thinks he can to steer the course of events as best he can, thinking he can control it. But making the choice itself changes everything.
Paul’s forecasts of the future are subject to change. Jamis could have been his friend in one possible future, but the future changed.
But in a way Jamis was his teacher, in killing him in the duel-Jamis taught Paul the way of the desert.
"I was friend of Jamis"
Wait...watching this reaction... I've seen it before. It can't be that you just uploaded it 40 minutes ago, right? I'm positive I've seen it way before now.
I'm in the same boat, but still unsure if I've seen this before, and it was totally worth watching a second time if it was.
Yup, I clearly remember that they have reacted to it last year.
Uploaded to his movie channel. Good timing to since part 2 is right around the corner.
It’s on both channels that’s why
In the vision Jamis says, “Come with me and I will show you the ways of the desert”. They just had a fight to the death, which are the ways of the desert. So technically the vision wasn’t a total bust.
did you notice that Paul used a matador move to kill Jamus in the duel at the end of the movie?
Gurney use that same matador move in their sparing session at the beginning of the movie to avoid Paul’s attack.
@@deisenhauer013 Okay! You've given me a very good reason to watch the movie again this week!!!
Not a wasted moment in the book or this movie.
@@deisenhauer013 holy shit…I never put that together….Imagine he does that to Feyd-Rautha, the Harkonnen with the bull sigil.
Jamis*
yall reaction are just *chefs kiss. its so pleasing, yall reaction, the understanding of the story, and actually paying attention to figure out all the intricacies of the movie.
One of the best things about Dune is how the superpowers of the characters feel almost plausible. We have people on earth right now(like Daniel Tammet) who has the ability to calculate things almost like a human computer. He was able to learn Icelandic in a week. In Dune certain humans have been cultivated to master this ability with a mix of genetics, hyper advanced pedagogy and the use of powerful brain wiring nootropic drugs. The Bene Gesserit are basically master mentalists. Able to read a person too such a degree that they can manipulate almost anyone. They are able to experience combat almost like its slowed down and deploy tactics in real time that would make Sun Tzu proud, paired with perfect control of their immune system (called prana bindu) and the ability to weaponize their feminity and use powers of seduction and misdirection. These aren't humans anymore. They're post human.
Paul's visions are not necessarily prophetic, because the future is never set, but every vision has a lesson that Paul needs.
Funny thing is it’s not even the year 10191 in Dune. That’s 10191 AG, or After Guild, counting the years since the foundation of the Spacing Guild (those dudes in the weird orange helmets). In AD or CE counting, Dune takes place somewhere in the 23,000s.
I have to say, one thing that drives me nuts is that it seems like no one understands the Chani premonition. It’s not that it was a “possible future” that didn’t unfold, it was metaphorical in the exact same way that the Jamis premonitions are metaphorical.
In the premonition, she kills him with a Crysknife. In reality, she hands him the crysknife that he uses to kill Jamis (remember that there is a line previously saying when one kills another, they also kill themselves). So she is helping him kill himself with the crysknife. Similarly, the Jamis premonitions are showing Jamis as a teacher to Paul - showing him the way of the desert. In reality Jamis teaches Paul the way of the desert during their combat, by forcing Paul to face the harsh ways of Dune-only those willing to kill survive.
I love that these people figured out Spice is like Oil, so many revewes Ive seen have missed this part! They got it right away
You guys have so impressed me! Dune is quite a dense book and this film had a lot of work to do, it can be difficult for newcomers to get it on first viewing. But you guys picked up on loooads and paid such good attention. It was so much fun to watch you all get excited as you put things together and worked stuff out. Really great reaction
Very interesting reaction. You are clever, you understand a lot of things on first watch. It's incredible. I've read the books so I'm amazed of how you became invested and understood the universe. :)
Thank you :)
First time watcher, I loved watching you all discover this! Dune is one of my favorite stories.
Thank you for that
Loved seeing you guys reason this stuff out so well, because it can get pretty confusing. Great reaction.
Paul's visions are possible futures. Time is treated less like a line and more like a landscape. Some points in time, like standing on a peak, he can see his possible choices and their consequences clearly, other points in time it's like he is in a valley and can't see anything around him. So he can act on his foreknowledge but he can't rely on it at all times and he absolutely CAN die.
The Harkonnen Baron was wearing a shield, he had it switched on when Duke Leto crushed the tooth, so the Baron raised himself above the gas that spread around the room, and his shield gave him some protection against the gas, he is seen later recovering from the small amount of gas that did get through the shield.
It’s crazy that you’re uploading that now when I’m currently in the middle of the first book where the movie ends 😅
It's strange though... watching this reaction... I've seen it before. It can't be that they just uploaded it 50 minutes ago, I'm positive I've seen it way before now. Is it a re-upload, mayhaps?
@@AniMageNeBy i think he had it on the original channel but moved it to the movie channel
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Yeah definitely seen it before. This is a re-upload
"I recognize your footsteps old man" is talking to the sandworm.
damn, i just realized y’all reposted this on the new channel so you know i gotta comment to support 💛
He said “I love how this blends realism and fantasy” sir that’s what sci-fi is😆
The way I interpreted the duel was that Jamis ended up teaching Paul the ways of the Fremen by forcing him to kill.
Paul was seeing into a timeline where Jamis taught him the ways of the Fremen, but the timeline he lives in now has him killing Jamis before any of that could occur, but he still has the knowledge from the other timeline.
Paul is able to see the memories of all future versions of himself. So he was able to see the memories of the version of himself that was trained by the man he killed.
dr Yueh's betrayal makes more sense in the book. basically he knows the baron is gonna kill him but he needs to make sure that his wife is actually dead and not just being tortured until he complies. in his finally breath he says somthing like "do you really think i didn't see this coming." (paraphrasing obviously.) but yeah it's a shame the movie doesn't flesh out the doctor but i suppose it ultimately doesn't change the plot and they wanted to focus on other things.
I didn't know y'all have a movie channel! I'm so happy! This movie is visually beautiful and the storyline is very good and very interesting. I'm so excited for the second film. It's going to be fantastic as well.
This is the first thing I’ve seen you guys react to and damn you guys don’t miss much!
Thank you Fala
I read the book right before this movie came out and I'm so glad i did. There are so many intricate details to the storyline that i think is really hard to make into a movie. But you guys did a great job picking up on things and following along!
I just started reading the second book so im excited for the new movie to come out. I can't wait to see you guys react that one too if you're planning on it.
With the bull head, there was more symbolism because in the novel, Leto says he wants the head and the painting of the old duke to be opposite of each other in the dining room, something Jessica’s is appalled when she hears that
I'm cool with you reposting it. I thought this was the dune 2 trailer. Bet, I rewatch this once a year, along with Roshi's drop. Always a fun watch. See you in part 2!!!!
thx, i thought i had seen this reaction before.
About Dr. Yueh: He knew his wife was dead ("they put her apart like a doll"), he knew he would die. It was the revenge to kill the Baron and to save Paul, not about saving his wife.
You guys seemed to understand this movie more than anyone else I know on first watch, myself included.
I appreciate that
Yeah, Paul sees probable futures. At first Paul sees him and Jamis becoming friends, but after he grabs Jamis gun (something he didn't have to do, and which he possibly only knew about because of the visions in the first place), which insults Jamis enough to challenge him to the fight, all the futures he can see are either Jamis killing him or him killing Jamis. His actions inadvertedly closed off the previously more probable timelines where they become friends.
the year; 10191 that this takes place in, isn't 10191 A.D. it's actually closer to 20,000 A.D. you would need to read ALL the books of Dune, including the prequels written Frank Herbert's son, Brian to get all the lore and backstories about this universe.
10191 A.G. (After Guild)
Spacing Guild was created after the Butlerian Jihad which occurred around 10,000 A.D.
@@scumdog666 thnx for the additional information, I knew someone would know it! I guess that means I need to go back and read them all again.
The Revenant Mother said: Goodbye young human, because he jus has passed the exam of humanity. He didn't behaved like an animal. He endured the pain.
Pauls visions are multiple possible futures--the one with Jamis was likely a future where Jessica died in the ornithopter crash, meaning Paul then met the fremen alone and so Jessica never bested Stilgar, which is what caused Jamis to issue the *Amtal* challenge in the first place.
16:30 "they looking for Neo" LMAO, that's so real 😂
Paul sees possible futures currently and can't control what he sees. His lessons from Jamis are from a possible future.
The hand in the box is her saying, "look the fate of our people will be in your hands. When you are faced with adversity and a choice to ease your pain, how will you react knowing the severe consequences?"
I've seen 5-6 of reactors, you are by far the one that understood it the best. You got few things I didn't during my first watch
Love the after-movie analysis. I would add one thing. Note the visions that came to pass vs. the ones that didn't. There are color filters in those vision scenes. My interpretation is that certain colors signify future paths that are possible but unlikely to come to pass vs. ones that are very likely to follow Paul's current path.
Note how Paul reacted to the Spice in the air... while others breathing that same air did not.
Consider that Spice is critical to space travel. Given what we know of Paul's gifts and his interaction with Spice - what does that tell us about how space travel is navigated?
You all did a great job grasping the intricacies of this movie. Better than most reviewers.
To answer the question about the communal spit drinking ritual around 47:30, it's coffee. They're using their water to make coffee.
Basically your right. He see's all potential futures, so he saw the potential future where he and Jamis became friends and learnt from him, but in this future he fought and killed him. In another he fought and died to Chani, probably in another Stilgar just killed them both without blinking, etc, etc ad finitum.
If you ever read the books i suggest you do so while tripping on mushrooms or something lol. Its...complicated.
Well, the Atreides knew it was a trap, and they went anyway, because they hoped to ally with the Fremen - they just ran out of time. But basically - the Emperor is Top Dog because he has the Sardaukar - a fighting force so elite, it takes the combined might of all the great houses just to make it even, and the Sardaukar would still be a safe bet in that fight. The movie drops that part of the storyline, but in the book, no one knows where the Sardaukar come from, and questions about their origin are discouraged. But the Atreides mentat figured it out - they come from the prison planet, Salusa Secundus, where only extraordinary killers can survive, and the very best are recruited to the Sardaukar. And now that Atreides have trained a small cadre of fighters to be almost as good as the Sardaukar, the Emperor is having none of it - that's why the Atreides have to die (in the film, it's just that Atreides gained popularity which the Emperor is jealous of, but in the book it's
because they could threaten the balance of power.
Well, the Fremen have been raised in conditions far worse than Salusa Secundus, and they make the the Sardaukar look like boy scouts.
This is probably the only reactor I've seen on youtube who instantly figured out the political implications in the beginning which I really appreciate