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2001 (1969) Silent Running (1972) Alien (1979) Blade Runner (1982)
Close Encounters of the Third Kind is one I'd suggest. More 'realistic' sci-fi than the space opera stuff.
If you need a series to watch, then the Battlestar Galactica series from 2004 is intense.
I always vote Star Trek; I'd also suggest Stargate, then move onto SG-1 :)
How's Ottawa? I grew up in Orleans!
Directors who do sci-fi. Nolan, R.scott, Spielberg, Cameron, G.Lucas, A.Garland, G.Del Torro. And others that im forgetting
You're one of the few reactors who can follow what's happening in this movie. No one picks up everything but it's a breath of fresh air when you're not confused by everything that's being presented to you.
Yeah reactors usually have a really hard time with dune for some reason. Idk why, I find it super cohesive if you pay attention to the dialogue. Although I’m not sure if she picked up on the reason why the emperor set the stage for a war. But I’m only 10 minutes in.
I noticed this also. Well done.
Yeah, she did very well.
I definitely agree. Dune and Harry Potter are the two things I geek out on in an obsessive way. This makes it very hard to watch reactions where the reactors don’t pick up on the basic fundamentals of the content. Didn’t feel that way once watching this. A+ 10/10. The only thing that could make it better is if she was as familiar/obsessed with the books as me.
@@thss3103 It's not a complex story, it's just that you'll find those other reactors also have a hard time following lots of other stories as well :v
The “prophecy” in Dune isn’t like prophecy from a normal fantasy movie. It isn’t some cosmic will of fate. It is complete and utter manipulation, intentionally planned and seeded by the Bene Gesserit. How prophecy is handled in Dune is one of the things that make it so interesting.
It very much undercuts the chosen hero trope and this was 60 years ago!
Yeah, the prophesy is part deliberate cultural manipulation, and part self-fulfilling scientific design. Ultimately Dune is a subversion of the "Chosen One" myth.
Exactly - its equivalent to a self fulfilling prophecy.
What I really love is how many "hints" they've planted, and how literally any aspect can be taken as a proof that a suspected person is the One.
Like, anyone could get the idea to wear the boots in a more comfortable way. But just in case, that is also one of the hints.
@@alextrill1746 exactly, and if I remember correctly it was even more vague and open to interpretation than even that. I think that particular hint was “he will know your ways as his own” or some shit, and she just interprets the boots/slip fashion thing to be just that.
There _was_ love for dad. In fact, Jessica's love for the Duke Leto is what sets the entire story into motion. She was supposed to bear only daughters (Bene Gesserit can control this, as one of their powers). She gave Leto a son because he wanted an heir (a male heir), and she loved him enough to betray her sisterhood. All the horrors that follow are Jessica's fault. It's actually quite romantic. The Bene Gesserit were working for all this time, and then an act of unselfish love produces Paul Atreides. Jessica knows the danger to her son, and does everything in her considerable power to protect that son, including teaching him things he should not be taught. Love is the most powerful force in the Dune universe.
That's a heck of a way to look at it! Nice.
A detail of this world which is unfortunately not explicitly called out in the movie (as it is in the books), is that lasers (lasguns) are used very sparingly because the accidental interaction of a laser and a shield creates an atomic level explosion. This is why most combat is melee and not ranged - and the style of combat emphasises an approach which allows the attacker to cut through a shield relatively slowly, as it repels anything over a certain speed. So thrown spears / arrows won't penetrate, lasers are rarely used because of the prevalence of shields, leaving mostly handheld, close quarters blades.
Yeah, I really wish that had been explained, along with the Butlerian Jihad and why there are no computers in this universe.
@dereknolin5986 or the mentats and how they train their entire lives ti basically become human computers. There's so much lore I understand them cutting a lot, but maybe the upcoming show will go deeper into it.
I wouldn't count on it. I think Villeneuve would think it would slow down the narrative pacing to suddenly lore-dump about some side characters in the second half of the story, unless it were somehow essential to the plot.@@system0fadowner251
She didn't pick up that projectile weapons wouldn't work against shields let alone worrying about lasguns
the voice is a secret power used by the Bene Gesserit . they do not show off their abilites
A couple of comments on the final fight. 1. In the book Chani advises Paul that Jamis is ambidextrous, and switches hands when he feels he needs an edge. 2. Paul’s training to this point has been “fast to defend, slow to attack” to conform with the shield he has been using since he was old enough to understand it. As a result his defense is airtight but his offense is too slow to capitalize on opportunities and the Fremen see this (“is he playing with him?!”).
To compensate, he baits Jamis into “falling” onto his blade.
I wish the film had spent a few seconds showing the respect the fremen had for Paul when he shed tears for Jamis.
"he gives water to the dead." yeah i wish the fight had taken place in the sietch like it did in the book. If they skip this scene in part 2 I might be annoyed. @@Ender7j
@@ilikeguns15 The fight occurred at Cave of Ridges in the book, not Sietch Tabr. The Lynch film and Harrison miniseries are also consistent with this.
@@Ender7j We can hope that's the first season of Part Two. If not, that's very sad.
@@ilikeguns15I really wish that scene was included. It’s my favorite scene in the whole book because of how it just makes so much sense, of course crying when someone dies would be a sacred experience to the fremen. So beautiful yet so natural.
As to why BG sisters don't just use the Voice all the time, if it became widely known that they could manipulate people at that level, they would have been wiped out long ago. It's usually a tool of last resort.
They'd be wiped out, but also they aren't trying to enslave everyone. Using the Voice to bring everyone under their power would defeat their purpose.
I always imagined it so that the voice is used for direct commands and not for general change of behaviour. You can command someone to come, kneel, give that etc but not to be a good guy on my side, and they will probably resist if you command them to kill themselves or something like that. So it's not an all powerful tool to direct an empire.
The voice isn't magic. You have to study your target, learn their weaknesses and desires, if you know nothing about someone, the voice is useless.
Also people can become more resistant to it if it is used all the time. That’s why we see Jessica not so influenced by Paul’s underdeveloped voice, she is one of the best BG students if not the best as per the books. And his voice isn’t as tuned yet.
27:20 A Bene Gesserit saying: "Do not count a human dead until you've seen the body. And even then you can make a mistake."
"I like this, it's weird" is like the motto of the Dune franchise lol
I mean, it doesn't properly get weird until book 4. This stuff is perfectly ordinary by comparison to what eventually happens.
15:50: This is a double entendre that's easy to miss if you haven't read the book(s). The Fremen have many nicknames for sandworms, including "old man of the desert", so when Paul says "I recognize your footsteps, old man", it's meant to ambiguously refer to both Gurney coming up behind him in a literal sense (who was called "old man" in an earlier scene precisely for this scene to happen) as well as to the approaching sandworm in a more figurative sense after inhaling the spice and entering a sort of psychedelic state which combined with his latent powers makes him able to see his future connection to the Fremen and the sandworms of Arrakis. Quite a brilliant addition in my opinion.
In the book, Paul describes his visions of the future as looking out over the dessert. You can see the tops of the sand dunes, but you can't see what is in the path to get to them until you get closer. In the movie this is done by showing multiple scenes of the future. We see Paul and Chani embrace; we see Chani plunging a Crysknife into his side. We see Jamis teaching Paul the ways of the dessert, we see him killing Paul, we see him and Paul as best friends and Paul killing Jamis.
Always love your reactions Verowak. 10:05 The only reason that Jessica defied the Bene Gesserit and had a son instead of a daughter was because she loved the Duke.
Dune has long been considered impossible to film, because there are a lot of internal monologues and a lot of deep world building doing on.
Paul is the 'chosen one' to the people of Arrakis because thousands of years ago, the Bene Gesserit sent people to a bunch of different planets to plant the seeds of a savior. So when future Bene Gesserit show up, they can read the signs, know which prophecy was told to the locals, and play the part so that the locals will be on their side if needed.
Conveniently, Paul also has space magic to make the fake prophecy real.
Yes, the Bene Gesserit program was officially called the Missionaria Protectiva.
None of it is magic. The abilities that seem supernatural in the story are all explained in scientific terms. It's just that the science portrayed in the Dune franchise is based on rather poor understanding of science in real life during the hippie era where people thought going into the desert and taking a bunch of hallucinogenic drugs would unlock some kind of cosmic enlightenment, and genetics was so new that the popular science (mis)understanding suggested that actual memories could be passed on generationally. Dune is a product of its time, and while it got a lot of things wrong, it was always trying to be as scientifically accurate as possible, just with some Holtzman effect stuff to make a bunch of the technology possible (shields, antigravity, FTL, etc.). All the human physical abilities, from The Voice, to Pauls' prescience, to the Weirding Way of combat, was intended to be realistic physical capability for a sufficiently evolved and well-bred humanity.
The book is actually divided into three parts. Noticing the change in tone impressed me. Also in the book, jessica was going to use the voice on Jamis, but Stilgar reacted, basically implying to do that would be a sign of treachery and he would not be able to protect them.
11:44: Also in the books, the Bene Gesserit sisters are so conditioned from centuries of scientific and physiological evolution, that they can control their periods, childbirth, even the sex of their children-- as well as being superhuman-like strength and speed-- super-ninjas! That’s also why the Reverend Mother Mohiam was so pissed At Jessica in this scene, because, for the Duke and the prophecy, Jessica deliberately made herself have a son, instead of a daughter to wed to House Harkonnen. It’s also why at 12:56 Jessica says what she says… Jessica herself alone could kill a room full of highly trained solders… and matched with that Atreides bodyguard… Jessica, in that moment is very very very nearly unbeatable, in fact Jessica is so strong, she could protect the bodyguard. 😂
Lady Jessica was the Duke's consort and not his wife. It was a matter of politics allowing the Duke to take a wife from another house, and that child would be the heir to both houses. As the son of a consort, Paul was heir only to House Atreides. That is what Leto was referring to when he said, "I should have married you."
The reason why everyone uses melee weapons instead of the lasguns (the ranged laser weapons) is because shield technology exists. If a lasgun beam intersects with a shield, it results in an explosion, unpredictably powerful, even as powerful as a nuclear warhead. This explosion happens either where the shield is or where the lasgun is, and unpredictably so. Using lasguns is extremely dangerous in a world where shields exist. As it happens, on Arrakis, using shields also attracts sandworms, and drives them into an uncontrollable rage, so they attack and destroy basically anything in the desert that is shielded. The Fremen do not use shields, because of this.
In the book, the Harkonnens deliberately allowed some of their spies on Arrakis to be captured while possessing lasguns, to make the Atreides be nervous about using shields when the Harkonnen attack eventually happened. The Harkonnen had a secret weapon, intended for use against unshielded foes, so this was an effort to make the Atreides not use shields when the Harkonnen eventually attacked. In the movie, this all gets ignored.
To penetrate a shield requires a slow-moving blade or projectile. We saw Paul training in this a bit with Gurney at the start of the movie. Duncan Idaho is from a particular school of combat that is exceptionally well trained, so he is able to attack with speed, but slow his attacks right at the moment of intersecting a shield, so he can penetrate them slowly and kill shielded opponents without too much effort. Most soldiers in the known universe do not have Duncan's skill, but Paul has been getting training from Duncan in this technique. Duncan is famous, which is why Harkonnen soldiers are so intimidated by him. Most of what he does in the film is well above the level of anyone else around. The Emperor aids the Harkonnen in attacking the Atreides in part because Duncan has been training the Atreides forces to an unusually high level of skill. Atreides forces are small in number but very, very good. And Duke Leto is popular. The Emperor considers that a threat. In a fair fight the Atreides would beat the Harkonnen, but with the Emperor and Harkonnen combining their forces, and expending tremendous amounts of money in the process, they can put down the Atreides before they're able to make use of the local population on Arrakis to build an army that can take on the Emperor.
15:25 "That's massive. There's no way the worm eats that." LOL!!!
Never have I been so wrong!!!
That scene. In IMAX. I had chills. Full body chills.
@@VerowakReactsYou were not wrong about anticipating worm-riding, though, but it’s mostly just teased in this movie. I’m sure we’ll see it in widescreen in part 2.
@@peterknutsen3070 We saw someone riding a worm at the very end, so definitely it'll be in the second movie
1:55 The year is 10191 AG (After formation of the spacing Guild), the The Guild has formed at the end of The Butlerian Jihad (11000AD-11201AD) which makes the start of this film the year the Year 21392 AD.
20:32 The voice is basically a short term single target hypnosis, only giving you control of one person for a few seconds at most, so it isn't really useful in that way.
The Voice is the result of your parent saying “PUT THAT DOWN AT ONCE!!” plus 21000 years of evolution and practice.
@@isaackellogg3493 In Frank Herbert's day, he saw the cult of personality surrounding many national leaders. How speeches could be used to hypnotize millions of people to commit atrocities, or fight against hopeless odds. His basic assumption in Dune is that given enough time, all skills like that could be eventually understood so well that anyone could be trained in them with enough discipline, and perfected to a superhuman level. Combined with a special breeding program to produce humans that were especially good at these sorts of skills, certain humans could be capable of things that modern day people would think was magic.
It also requires the Bene Gesserit to have a good understanding of the person psychologically. They have to "get the feel" of the person to tailor the voice to that person. Bene Gesserit have hyper trained perception. They can read heartbeats by seeing your pulse in your neck. They are just humans who have trained their bodies to a level beyond anything most people even can guess at. They are living weapons, master manipulators, working by hints, and slowly nudging things.
@@mycroft16The BG are awesome ninja chicks.
They don't use laser weapons because if a laser interacts with a shield it essentially creates a nuclear explosion. That's why everyone fights with swords because everyone uses shields. Also, you're vastly overestimating the use of "the voice". For one you can't just walk around commanding everyone with it. Imagine how you'd feel if your leader, or anyone for that matter, used the voice on you every time they wanted you to do something. They'd be stripping you of your free will, which any reasonable person would see as a betrayal and a threat. Probably a good way to cause a mutiny and end up dead. Plus I'm pretty sure it only works on individuals, not groups.
You're right. It works individually, as each person requires minute adjustments to the Voice for it to work. It's not space magic like the Force. The Voice functions by the user first making extremely close observation of the subject, then tailoring the effect to that specific person.
Yes. The BG also keep their powers secret. To the Imperium, they are advisors, teachers and truth-sayers only.@@noodle_fc
Besides, the Bene Gesserit are subtle manipulators. Using the Voice excessively is not at all subtle. It would also turn them into an existential threat, and bring considerable violence upon themselves. They vastly prefer a more careful approach.
Projectile weapons are also rarely used because the shields stop fast moving objects.
And as a side note, Fremen don't use shields as it would attract the worms, so the Harkonnens could use lasers against them, but definitely not against the people of House Atreides. In the book they use old artillery to attack Arrakeen (it was changed to slow dropping bombs in the movie). Also in the book, Duncan sets a shield at a location where only Fremen were expected and it all went nuclear. That made the Harkonnens scared to use lasguns after that, like at Kynes' Ecological station, which they didn't mind using in the movie.
By dying, Jamis does teach Paul the ways of the desert
I disagree. Jamis taught Paul that when you take a life, you pay for it with a piece of yourself.
"Jamis taught me... that... when you kill... you pay for it."
@@craigmorris4083 isn't that teaching him the ways of the desert?
@@blindlemonpledge2556 Pretty much yes. In the way that mattered to Paul anyway.
It also taught Paul that his dreams were not the future but a possibility and there is a difference.
Yeah, the only thing that makes sense was that he threw the fight. Duncan was way better than the Sardaukar, he said that Fremen fighters were very nearly a match for him, and the Fremen expected Janis to mop the floor with Paul, suggesting that he was ranked highly among their group. So Jamis should have been better than Paul (or at least very close), but he "lost" three times in rapid succession. That only makes sense if he was trying to lose.
I just had a good chuckle at the Palpatine picture edited in.
If you ever wondered why the galaxy far far away was an interstellar imperial state, headed by an Emperor who enforced his will through legions of elite terror troops, and why the protagonist of the story is associated with a desert planet... well, you've just watched the reason why haha. Dune was a major cultural influence on older scifi stories.
Paul's problem is that he doesn't see the future, he sees multiple futures and possibilities.
This is true in the books but this movie takes a different approach.
22:30 The training Paul received was meant to unlock his powers. (Well, not Paul specifically. The Bene Gesserit thought the Kwizats Haderach would take a few more generations to produce. There are clues in the books that suggest Paul was not the Kaizats Haderach the Bene Gesserit wanted. I think theres an implication that the Bene Gesserit wanted someone they could control. Paul's ability to see possible futures makes contrilling him difficult. It could also be that the Bene Gesserit didn't give enough thought to how they would control a kwizats Hadderach. The Bene Gesserit do have some blind spots in the books.
Easily my favorite book series I ever read, its so hard to get these stories right but Denis managed to do it with style. I think the series really lays bare the truth of messiah figures and the dangers of fully committing to a path regardless of the consequences.
This was my favorite part of people reacting to it initially... how many thought this was a typical white savior story. I can't wait for them to see where this story really goes. It takes a dark turn and explores dangerous territory and the damage one man can do to an entire galaxy spanning hundreds of thousands of worlds. Also, I can't wait to see a stone burner.
He couldn't use the voice because he needs to earn their respect and honor their ways. His vision was correct, the Fremen he fought did show him the ways of his people.
[20:23] The Bene Gesserit serve in multiple houses, including the Emperor's House Corrino, in many different functions, even when those houses are in opposition; their unique position in society was gained by generations of gaining trust. Their centuries long goal is a secret and they choose a "power behind the throne" strategy to achieve this end. Flaunting their different abilities (of which the Voice is only one) would only make those abilities common knowledge and then they would never be trusted by any Great House again.
This is one movie I wish you could've seen in the theatre. I saw it in IMAX and anytime someone used the Voice, it felt like it shook the entire building! Really great sound design.
I wish I had been able to see in IMAX, but I was not going to risk it during the pandemic. Also, I live 3 hours from an IMAX screen, but I can't wait to see part 2 in theater.
@@misterdoctor9693 Ah, it was re-released in IMAX for one day exactly one week ago! Saw it for the third time there :D
6:59 I like what the director has done here. In the books the Harkonnen’s are usually shown as robust red headed guys.
However, he took into account that they have spent the last 10,000 destroying the ecosystem of Giedi Prime and sunlight barely ever reaches the surface. So they are all bald, sickly looking and chalk white in complexion.
I disagree with the choice and I know it has led to confusion among audiences that haven't read the book. Some people have taken Gurney's words literally and think they are an alien race instead of human.
Duke Atreides and Thufir expected a Harkonnen attack but thought it would be after the imperial audit when they couldn’t keep spice production. A few months away, Baron Harkonnen didn’t even give them the weekend. That and Thufir expected Harkonnen’s to attack using a raiding force. They didn’t expect an invasion nor that the Harkonnen’s would have Sardukar reinforcements.
"House atreides is a good thing for arrakis." Omg I laughed at loud
Lady Jessica wasn't injured she was feeling her baby. Every movie by Denis is amazing, however Sicario is my favorite.
25:17 Kristoff: "I'm gonna tell her"
Anna: Don't you dare!"
At one time in the series, a suitcase of melange was valuable enough to buy an entire planet. It vastly extended your lifespan and cured disease. In the case of Navigators, it allowed them to see into the future in a very limited way…this is what made FTL travel possible.
Paul could eventually see thousands of years into the future with great detail and scope. There are other things that he can do which I won’t spoil…
FTL travel is possible without spice, but spice makes FTL safe and practical.
@@kylemma33 true
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Thinking machines, ai, are needed to calculate the route. Without them they need spice enhanced navigators.
Brilliant stuff. Villeneuve just doesn't miss - Prisoners, Sicario, Arrival, Blade Runner 2049, and this are all absolutely superb!
Also it's pretty awesome to see two Rebecca Ferguson films in a row where someone says (and Verowak repeats) "the greater good" lol
Hot Fuzz has ruined me with the greater good! 🤣
@@VerowakReacts the greater good
Reading through the chat you should definitely give Sicario a chance. The tension, the music, the cinematography, and solid performances by Blunt and Benicio...
My takeaway is that the film matched my imaginings of all those years ago.
35:29 The Voice can’t be used Willy nilly on anyone at anytime.
Paul's dreams and visions are not easily conveyed visually. This ability is called prescience, the ability to see future possibilities. I rather like the analogy of holding sand in your hands and seeing the grains of the future. You see glimpses, but as the sand moves and shifts as you examine it, so does the future change.
Two things to know about Dune:
1) It is not Paul’s story, he is the prequel.
2) Jason Momoa will be in these movies forever.
They reason they don't make more use of the lasguns is that if a lasgun beam hits a shield, the result is a nuclear explosion that kills everyone within a large radius.
Maybe it's already been answered, but during the spar with Gurney, and in the various combat scenes, personal shield technology exists in the Dune universe. It repels anything going over a certain speed, and the only reason for that is because air diffusion is required to keep the user from suffocating.
Those weapons destroying the airships are just bombs. They're specially designed to slow down so they can pass through the shield, then explode inside.
Nobody uses traditional guns anymore because of shield tech, which is why all combat has returned to melee. BUT, shields also cause all sandworms in a massive radius to go completely mad, ignoring everything as it attempts to destroy the shield.
It's always a joy to see your facial reactions!
"Dune" is one of the best selling sci fi novels ever. When it was published back in the mid '60's, it really captured the public imagination, and did so for a long time. Movie rights got tied up, so lots of folks would have loved to have worked on making this movie, but couldn't. In truth, it probably was just too difficult for the time, which the '80's film of DUNE might have proved. In any case, yes, "Star Wars" made a LOT of homages towards DUNE concepts from Spice, paranormal powers, blade fighting, hyperspace calculations, an interstellar empire, and so on.
DUNE itself borrows heavily from Isaac Asimov's FOUNDATION trilogy. The author of DUNE took concepts from FOUNDATION that were ill explained, borrowed them, and then explained them to fit his universe. There was (relatively) low tech in FOUNDATION, with NO visible robots, despite being very far in the future, the reasons being poorly and generally explained; Frank Herbert explained it in DUNE--rogue A.I., evil humans controlling technology, humans becoming weak due to super-tech, so wars, and religion outlawed A.I.s altogether and even advanced computers. Humans have to train themselves to do calculations and so on. That's why mind expanding, precognitive spice is now necessary for hyperspace travel, computers did it before, but no more advanced computers.
Likewise, personal shields were used in FOUNDATION, they were used better in DUNE. The Fremen use guns because they don't use shields, but most factions use bladed weapons because guns won't penetrate shields, but lasers make messy explosions when used against shields.
Psychic and pseudo-psychic powers exist in the FOUNDATION universe again, they were somewhat better explained when applied to DUNE. The Bene Gesserit voice power is NOT the all powerful thing it might seem. Much like in FOUNDATION, it doesn't work on a true paranormal ability as much as it does a form of super-psychology. It has to be applied to each person individually, so Paul and Jessica cannot take control of a group of individuals. But yes, in STAR WARS, we do see Ben Kenobi using the force persuasion as well, on small groups of people.
Glad you liked it!
Indeed, the story is quite compelling but worldbuilding needs its time, and they stayed pretty close to the original story and scenes of the book. Some details were omitted, but that's unavoidable when adapting such a lore-heavy book.
As to give you some info on the lore and politics of the Duniverse, so it becomes a bit more clear:
You have 4 major powerblocks in this universe:
1)The Emperor (and his army, the Sardaukar)
2)The Landsraad, consisting of a dozen Great Houses (and many Minor Houses, all vying for power). Think Game-of-Thrones here, but in sci-fi setting. ;-)
3)The Bene Gesserit; a semi-religious Order of women whom have certain powers (like the Voice, or being a Truthsayer, and some others not shown yet) and exert a lot of behind-the-scenes influence, but mostly stay low-profile
4) The Guild Navigators and CHOAM; a strong mercantile power, with a monopoly on spacetravel
It was more or less explained in the beginnings when Paul talked with his dad on Caladan: House Atreides is a growing power, politically and military, and the Emperor feels threatened. But he can't directly attack the House, because otherwise the Landsraad (the ensemble of Great Houses) will turn against him. As said, they each constitute a "big power" in this Duniverse. So the Landsraad and the Emperor keep each other in check, as it were.
Meanwhile, the Bene Gesserit are working from the shadows, on both sides - they primarily are concerned with their own plans and devices, to create the Kwizatsh Haderach. They manipulate from the shadows and actually form the third great power in this universe, but seldom show it openly. They also exert power by political marriages, or become concubines for political advantages - which is why Jessica wasn't married to Leto, though it was done to benefit him and House Atreides, not herself or the Sisterhood.
The fourth independent power, which is hardly touched upon in this first part of the movie, is the Spacing Guild and CHOAM. They're like a huge mercantile power, and the Guild Navigators are the only ones able to move/teleport (technically folding space-time) between planets, so without them, there would be no viable interstellar Imperium. Which make them essential and an enormous powerhouse as well - though, of course... they are and remain dependent on the Spice. That's why: whom controls Arrakis, controls the Empire.
So the Emperor can't directly attack a Great House like Artreides, or he risks all-out war with the Landsraad, consisting of the other Great Houses. Instead, he uses an indirect attack, with and through the Harkonnens - who want their fiefplanet back with all the Spice - doing the grunt work for him. The emperor knows they will be easily instigated that way, certainly because the Atreides and Harkonnen already have a centuries-old feud going on between them. It's a sort of proxy war, thus. He does help the Harkonnen to make sure they'll win - hence why he sends a few battalions of Sardaukar, his elite troops. But no-one (especially the Landsraad) may know about that. (That's also why they killed Liet, because she was going to expose the Emperor's meddling).
Also, some details one might have missed in the movie:
About the time in which the story plays: in the beginning of the movie they show it's the year 10191, but this is not 10191 AD, it's 10191 AG.
AG (After Guild - when the Spice Guild was made and started exploring the stars), and BG (Before Guild) are the iterations used and the lore in the books gives some indication as how that relates to our AD (Anno Domini). The most precise date - with a high level of accuracy - is that the first Dune novel which is set in 10,191 AG, corresponds approximately to 23,148 AD.
It is mentioned the "space age" takes place in 11,000 BG, and assuming this would mean it began in 1957 AD as this is when the first satellite, Sputnik, was launched, we can rebuild the whole timeline to our AD. So if you add the year 11,000 BG to 10,191 AG you’re left with a time span of 21,191 years. So if you add 21,191 years to 1957 AD, you’re left with 23,148 AD as the most likely date.
Quite some time! Most casual watchers of the movie think it's almost 10000 years in the future, but it's actually more than twice as much!
Now...as far as the melee fights and old/new tech are concerned, it's important to realize that in the Duniverse, while there is very high-tech at CERTAIN aspects, others are low tech (which gives the retro-feeling of the movie) but with a reason. It may seem strange at first sight, but note, however, that this has an in-story explanation, namely: thousands of years ago, there was a rebellion against "thinking machines" (AI) called the Butlerian Jihad. Humanity won (barely), but since that time there is a very strong taboo on creating anything resembling robots or AI, and humanity started to develop their own powers (aided by the melange/spice), such as Mentats (basically human supercomputers). This is the reason you don't see any highly developed robots, AI or even computers in this world.
This mix of old and new tech is a defining, historically explained element of the Duniverse; it's part of the worldbuilding and lore. Now, specifically about the melee combat: maybe you missed it, but they explained the shields in that fighting scene; they said "the slow sword can penetrate it". This is a hint that ALL objects with high kinetic energy are stopped dead in their tracks when hitting the shield, but SLOW objects can penetrate it. Meaning: ALL of our "modern" warfare weapons would largely become obsolete: machine-guns and all fast moving shells/bullets etc. become useless, but swords and knifes that are SLOWLY moved can still reach a target through the shields. Making the use of swords and knifes, after thousands of years, the dominant way of fighting once again. It's actually a cool twist.
That's all I'm going to say about it, because any more would get you into spoiler territory for part 2! ;-)
Hope that made things more clear!
I heard someone once say that the Voice is Mom-voice, intentionally developed over millennia. I haven't read the books so idk how canon that is, but it could be 🤷♀️
Leto does not marry Jessica, she is a royal concubine. Leto being unmarried allows avenues into political marraiges that could potentially lead to becoming the emperor
This is to Star Wars/sci-fi at-large, what Lord of the Rings is to Harry Potter/fantasy at-large.
Loved the reaction! You definitely have great intuitions when it comes to absorbing huge world building.
I love learning about new universes and seeing what rules or special things writers come up with!
How beautiful to see an intelligent person react to movies. What a refreshingly perceptive and thoughtful reaction. I've seen other reactors watching this movie who were........let's say slower(way slower) in understanding this quite complex and sophisticated story(compared to Star Wars). I really enjoyed your reaction and your personality!! This deserves a fat like and a heartfelt subscription....i mean that's the least i can give you back.
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20:40 There are some spoilers I'm going to tip toe aroun here... In the book, there is a phrase mentioned in another scene: "sire et cher cousin ". In French, the word "cousin" can mean that they share a distant relative. French nobles addressed each other as "mon cousin." I only tortured myself once by reading the Brian Herbert/Kevin J Anderson trash. As i recall, Leto and the Baron shared common ancestry during the Butlerian Jihad (an ancient war against thinking machines.)
19:30 Using the laser (called lasguns in the books) is insanely reckless. When a laser intersects with a shield, the explosion is similar to that of a nuclear bomb. In the Duniverse, the "Great Convention" is a ban on nuclear wepons. If a House uses nukes against another House, all the other Houses would band together to nuke the attacking House into oblivion. Laser-shield interactions are frowned on because it is difficult to distinguish then from a nuclear bomb. This scene shows how the Baron will do ANYTHING to eradicate the Atreides.
Harkonnens and Atreides' are not actually cousins, this is a reference to a manner of speaking between medieval European nobles, who were distant relatives more often than not. In this case this is also an insult to Atreides', as they are long established house with impeccable reputation and Harkonnens were exiled for oathbreaking and now after amnesty are considered lowly duplicious upstarts, by Atreides' in particular.
I read this book in 1977. Up to this book, I had read mostly Stephen King, Sydney Sheldon and Piers Anthony. This book was so different, with plots within plots and inner monologues, things that I take for granted with the newer books I read now. It was the first for me. I love this book. I didn't love the first movie in 1984 and the mini series... Probably because of some of the casting and budget limitations.
This movie really captures the spirit of the novels. You watch this and feel that the universe around is so much bigger than we are seeing. So Much attention to detail. For example, did you notice the reoccurring Bull Fighter references? Paul kills Jamus with a matador move, jumping out of the way of the charging Femen and spinning around to take him from behind. I just love.
Sorry that my comment has so many words.
Thanks for the great reaction and welcome to the Dune Universe.
Have you read any other Frank Herbert? I'd highly recommend his books about Jorj McKie and the Bureau of Sabotage - "Whipping Star" and "The Dosadi Experiment" (there's also a short story which came before the novels called IIRC "Ministry of Disturbance". Great stuff.
@@stevenlowe3026 I was reading the last Dune novel when he died.
Yes, I've read those books, but I don't remember Whipping Star or Dosadi Experiment very well. Reading their summary, I do kind of remember them. When I read them again, it will be fun to reacquaint myself with them.
Jesus Incident Sticks in my mind and I've read it several times along with Destination Void. I think they might make good Villeneuve movies.
For some reason, I really enjoyed White Plague. I read that about the time the Jack Ryan books started coming out.
Definitely one of my all-time favorite writers.
I've even read his biography. The man had an interesting life.
33:39 Dune is a subversion of The Chosen One trope. Keep watching.
Great, intelligent reaction as always Verowak. It was hard for them to convey in the movie but Paul doesn't dream of the future, he dreams of possible futures. For example he had that vision of the fremen he fought and killed at the end but in the vision they were friends. Or as another example he dreamt many times of Chani and sometimes they were together and that one time they showed that she stabbed him.
I would wait until the second part before you read the books but highly recommend you do. Unlike the popular opinion I would not stop at the first one. Books two and three are good. Book four is epic and one of my favorite stories ever told.
This is true in the books but not the way Denis chose to display it. Saying he sees possible futures is too literal, from what we have seen in this movie of the more nearby visions (the others are related to the next movie so we just don't know exactly how they play out yet) the vast majority (except one I believe) were all non-literal, figurative and or metaphorical. Not one of his visions didn't come true using this lens. Dune's conception of prescience is a bit more complicated than other fiction or scifi and Denis was aware this would need to be simplified in order to not risk losing new audiences. He chose to make things (especially while Paul's still developing his skill) appear "fuzzier" giving more of an impression of what would happen rather than distinct possibilities. The Reverend Mother and Paul's interaction suggested this and Paul later confirmed this when talking to Lady Jessica about someone giving him a blade.
Yours is the smartest, most perceptive reaction I've ever seen from someone who hasn't read the books. Kudos.
Yep, you called it; "Star Wars" was indeed heavily inspired by "Dune". Another major inspiration for Star Wars, at least the first one, was "The Hidden Fortress", by Akira Kurosawa. It's a 50s vintage, black and white Japanese movie, so it maaaaay not do all that well for views, but recommended if you wanna watch it on your own time (or even put it up here, but it may not be worth your effort there). Akira Kurosawa is considered one of the all time greats, and many of his movies were adapted into western movies. Several western adaptations have been made of both "Seven Samurai" and "Yojimbo", for example (both of which would also have some influence on SW as well).
For fun, there's an older, 80s vintage adaptation of "Dune" by David Lynch. This movie is far more faithful to the source material, but the Lynch movie is a visually interesting train wreck of a movie. It tried to adapt the entire book in one movie (unlike this one that splits it up into two), so you can imagine how much had to be changed/cut to make it 'work'.
17:55 To end HouseAtreides, the Baron wouldn't think twice about reducing every square inch of Arrakeen to smoking rubble.
The thing the movie doesn't totally nail is that Jessica is super powerful.
Vero, without giving away anything important about Dune, book or movie, the story is all politics and plans withing plans within plans. Every faction in the story arch has separate motivations and "secrets" plans to achieve them. Also, a commonly held theory is that if you transplant the word "spice" with the word "oil", the plot and story line still work. The original book actually has three books inside it making the main book huge. There was no way to tell the full story and for Herbert to build his world without making the book huge.
"Dune" and "Blade Runner 2049" are probably my two favourite Denis Villeneuve movies so far (I'm sure Dune pt. 2 will be up there too when it comes out), but I do also love "Arrival". I may be in the minority here, but I think BR2049 is better than the first instalment (all due credit to the first for the aesthetics, though).
I think there are a lot of people who agree with you on BR'49. Most of the community loves both, so that debate stays pretty friendly.
I would strongly urge you to read the book, but also to watch the David Lynch version. You’ll see the same story from a different angle and it will answer a few of your questions.
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Bladerunner 2049 is directed by Denis Villeneuve, and it also has Dave Bautista in a serious (albeit small) role.
(Coincidentally, the first Bladerunner movie also has Sean Young, who played Chani in the original Dune movie by David Lynch)
I also was introduced to Dune from the RTS. Awesome game!
17:16 Jessica is Letos wife in all but name. He stays unmarried to give the other houses (false) hope that they can ally with him through marriage.
Rebecca Ferguson has said that Bardem would improvise the "language" of the Fremen from time to time. Bardem as Stillgar has become my favorite character in the films.
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"That's what she said!"
One of the best reactions to this movie Ive seen. Youre very attentive to what's going on and r giving us great commentary. Love seeing this movie through fresh eyes
I just love learning about a new Universe and seeing how things are set up. Part 2 will be amazing!!
You did an excellent job following a movie that throws out a lot of new terms & concepts with very little exposition to explain it all. Hopefully, the second movie is done well - in which case many of the unexplained mysteries will become clear and meaningful.
Thanks! I'm really looking forward to the second movie to learn more.about this universe!!
'...new languages in movies, and having people create them.' A tradition that Tolkein started with _Lord of the Rings_
34:17 This movie is only the first half of the first book in the Dune series. Part 2 is the second half of the first book.
A movie can't give all the details from the book, unless it is very lengthy like a series as Game of Thrones.
The "voice" wasn't a super power. The Bene Gesserit could control their vocal cords, thats all. In order to control another person, a Bene Gesserit had to know that person first, in order to get the right frequency, the right pitch. They couldn't control someone they just met or someone on the battlefield coming at them with a dagger or gun.
It wasn't something like "Use the force, Obi Wan"
Great reaction.
The big difference in Dune is that there is no magical Force. The skills of the Bene Gesseret, the Mentat and the Sardaukar are the result of deep lifelong training in millennia old disciplines. The Voice is one of the least of the powers. The Sardaukar are the deadliest soldiers in history, each being the equal of a dozen trained men. The Mentat are human computers with trained intuition, foresight and cunning. The Bene Gesseret are Adepts at every mental and bodily discipline, able to use and read the subtlest psychological signs or body language, unbelievably proficient in martial arts, with inhuman will, strength and endurance.
Paul has been trained from infancy in all these skills and is a genetic leap forward as well.
He is also Leto's son.
year 10191 AG... which means 'After Guild'. If we are talking AD, like how we use it is like year 20191.
20:50, In the books Duke Leto is a cousin to the Emperor. Also the Baron is Jessica’s father and therefore Paul’s grandfather. Take a guess as to who is Paul’s grandmother 😉
It's a feudal society, though, so they're likely all cousins anyway. Just not necessarily first cousins.
Worms can grow to 400 Meters or 1/4 mile. I like the 2000 mini-series Dune. It explains a lot about this world.
"I recognize your footsteps old man" has a double meaning. Book fans absolutely lost their minds with glee at that line. Paul calls Gurney "old man" but that is not who he is referring to while under the influence of the spice. Paul is actually having visions of the future. In the future, he is among the Fremen and knows the Fremen call the sandworms "Shai-Hulud", which translates to "old man of the desert" in the Fremen language. Paul is recognizing the "footsteps" of the sandworm. Perhaps it is a specific sandworm that Paul meets more than once across many branching possible futures. Paul's prescience is awakening and many of those futures involve Paul becoming a Fremen who himself thinks of the sandworms as Shai-Hulud. To the Fremen, Shai-Hulud is the physical manifestation of their monotheistic deity.
Jessica is so scared because no man has ever passed the test. All who tried died
18:20 Because shields only allow slow-moving objects to pass through, projectile weapons are almost never used. However, the Fremen use them. But the reason they use them is because it is suicidal to turn on a shield in worm territory. It sends them into a killing frenzy, and they will ignore territorial boundaries to attck the shield.
"I don't know how much of Star Wars has been influenced by Dune".
The answer is basically: YES. It's a MASSIVE influence on Star Wars. Basically, Star Wars is a mix of a few different ingredients: the sci-fi film serials of Lucas' youth, DUNE, Westerns, and samuri films.
LONG LIVE THE FIGHTERS!
Read the first book called "Dune", it is what the two films are about. It is a powerful work, deep and psychological as well as full of politics. For me it is the best science fiction book I've ever read. Note that the Sardaukar are the best soldiers in the galaxy coming from their own planet where they are trained in brutal conditions. The Emperor has the right to use them for his purposes. Note that the deep singing you heard is Mongolian throat singing.
I'll be reading the books once I watch the movies that cover them. So first book will have to wait until I see Part 2 :D
24:40 when you command with the Voice, it has to be tailored to the target's weaknesses. Some elements of Voice can be used to persuade groups of people though. Unfortunately, its difficult to persuade the Sardaukar not to kill you.
Oh there is one thing they dont really explain in the movie which is 'why dont they just use lasers all the time if they have that tech' Basically long story short its all down to shield tech the way folks fight in dune, they render conventional ranged weapons basically useless hence knives and swords all over the place, as to lasers, I forget the specifics (and havent read all the books myself yet!) but the short version is laser + shield = BIG feedback that will cause the laser to go boom big time and kill the the firer (and probably everyone in a large radius!)
Is that The Dark Half on your shelf? I love that story! One of his more overlooked books, I never hear people mention it when talking about King...
It is!!! One of my favourite Stephen King books!
What a great reaction. Dune can be a bit much. But you have the patience and intelligence to take it all in and let the story unfold. That is a gift.... So many reactors to this movie just kept saying...... "Blow something up"....... in one way or another.. ha ha. Dune has many layers. The first 6 Books tell a story spanning 10's of thousands of years. Herbert, the Author has many surprises for the readers. This movie version is very close to the original book. The Director was a huge fan of Dune when he was younger. He has said in interviews that he wanted to become a Director of movies so he could make this movie one day. And his loyalty to the story is everywhere. Thanks again for the perfect reaction.
Perhaps its a bit of confirmation bias in the reactors I choose to watch, but almost all the reactors I've seen really got into the film. They may have been confused initially, but really got pulled into the story. I haven't seen many that would have preferred a "Michael Bay" version.
@@kivimik The reactors seem to like it. I meant "reactions" , as in the comments section. There is a large amount of hate for this movie. Again, mainly from people that do not have the comprehension skills to follow the story. There is also a large crowd that cannot be convinced that Dune did not steal the story from Star Wars. Instead of the other way around.
@donny1960 Oh, understood.
To use the voice is to create sub harmonics in your voice so that the subjects brain takes it as its own idea. In order to do it you must know your target in a personal level. Bene gesserit are tought psychoanalysis and skilled bene geserrits can get enough information from a small talk with someone and can use the force. Jessica is probably the strongest bg in this regard. They also have fought harkonnens for so long that they have a baseline understanding of their pysche. Howevet with fremen they do not have that much intuition, their cultures have only just met.
Also, the subharmonics are special for each person, so you cand mass-command a group of people.
Also the order must be a short, impulsive action like kill or run or give me the weapon. You cant order someone to fight on your side for the whole battle.
Also, some strong-willed individuals -who are usually leaders- might resist because they have learnt to control their impulses.
Great reaction. This film is a lot of set up and most of the epic parts of the story come in the second part.
I don't have an answer for which is my favorite film of Villeneuve's as I think they are all fantastic. Definitely a rabbit hole I would recommend going down in. His films tend to look great, sound great, have great acting and have stories that are worth thinking about. When it comes to sci-fi I don't think anyone has had a film streak like his with Arrival, Blade Runner 2049, Dune part 1 and (hopefully) part 2.
I vowed not to watch the trailers to part 2, but I just couldn't help myself >_< It looks... so good. They also had a clip from the movie at the Part 1 IMAX re-screening last week. I won't tell you which part, but I can say it was a wild ride lol.
Read the first book. You cannot, and will not understand what’s going on until you do that. You had 100 questions on this movie in many people here could answer all of them, but you don’t want to be spoiled. If you don’t want to be spoiled, you have to read the first book when you do that everything will become clear.
You can't command the voice just like that, you need concentration, a lot of training, even to know the exact entonation that is going to "awake" something in your objective's mind, thus you need to kinda know them a bit or risk it a bit. It worked easily with the Harkonnens because they are grunt soldiers, almost slaves. Also you need to be careful when they are in groups, cause most definitely not everyone is going to be affected etc etc. Its a last resort.
Amazing reaction! Hopefully you will go to theaters to see Part 2, the next adaptations would be even better haha.
"thats why you have to practice to reach everywhere on your back" lmao it got me how seriously you said that
luckily i can reach everywhere on my back but hopefully not for these kind of situations
If you watch the David Lynch version, watch the three hour cut. Even though Lynch disowns it, and took his name off of it, it is easier to follow than the shorter theatrical cut.
I love that Dunes personal shield concept , you asked why not use bullets? In Dune It’s the year 10,260, weaponry has advanced so far that personal shields made firearms useless as tthe shield blocks any fast moving object so the only way to penetrate it is a slow moving object bieng pushed through , the sword impacts the shield and they continue the wing until it’s hit the warrior. Weapon technology advanced so far it stepped back to swords. They can use their advanced weapons to destroy the war machines but you still have the fighting force of warriors that have to settle it and if both sides have shields and guns it’s a stalemate , so hand to hand using swords and knives so they can slowly penetrate the shield is the only way to win the war. It reminds me of “Nuclear assurance” the US, China, Russia and a couple others have enough nuclear ballistic missiles to end any country on earth , enough to end humanity sadly , BUT nuclear assurance means this weapon of war designed to wipe out an enemy country to wipe the army and weaponry /munitions out to end a war except that once you fire , your enemy fires , both counties wiped out and a nuclear winter begins for earth and what’s left, so no one will use their nukes and fights wars using more traditional strategy of soldier vs soldier .
It’s an interesting thought experiment when writing a book about where a universe would be 10,000 years into a critically thin king dominating species existence. Humanity went from the idea of a human flying being laughed at my government military leaders to landing on the moon in less than 100 years, so 10,000 years the impossible is even old news so many landmarks and game changers in warfare what could be its look then? Dunes author for the year did amazing!
I know some people criticize that they have faster than speed of light interstellar travel but use swords and hand to hand combat but I think if you look at the Russian invasion of Ukraine the worlds advanced weapons have been used here and there but the actual occupying of territory , advancing etc has shockingly gone back to WW1 trench warfare , both sides front line war fighters 30 meters apart sometimes using trench warfare tactics from nearly 100 years ago so the concept of personal shields and hand to hand combat with swords I really like.
When Star Wars came out and even 5 years ago Lasers in the movie were pure science fiction but it was declassified a few years ago and today 3 US Navy ships have Direct Energy weapons ,..actual lasers , we’ve been worried as China has developed hypersonic cruise missiles , missiles that fly 4 times faster than the fastest current missiles and they’re designed to destroy our aircraft carriers , flying thst fast our naval strike groups would struggle to intercept them. Chinas been developing thrn for over a decade and now has t them showing a successful test which worried me a lot but like in this movie, the US Military knew China was developing them so they had to take a large step in warfare technology to protect from this new threat. china just made an old weapon, the cruise missile . Much Faster , the US had to develop a defensive weapon that could fire much faster rounds than what we have except that it’d take too long to evolve to that ability and still jsut be throwing objects at a missile so recently they declassified that DARpA (Americas military advanced research lab) built the first electromagnetic rail gun , it’s wild and fires a projectile faster than anything else by far but is still throwing a projectile at a missile that is able to turn and maneuver , at the same time DARPA and Ratheon were developing Laser weapons thought to be science fiction but they require so much power and weren’t very powerful until Ratheon figured out instead of using massive amounts of power and traditional lenses , they made lasers that are made up of different elements that burn hotter and combined the lasers into a single beam of multiple elemental production making them many many times more powerful, they at same time developed a new type of engine instead of traditional combustion or nuclear power it’s a combination of electric where a single ships engine can produce offsite power for a city of 1 million people, far beyond enough for a laser weapon on a ship and have developed the tech from a 30kw beam that can take a small boat or plane to explode to an adjustable 50-200kw laser that could destroy large jets to cruise missiles and more,..the Laser now on active ships has changed warfare the same way the invention of the firearm did. The Laser of course fires at the speed of light , it’s invisible to the naked eye, is a perfectly straight line of constant beam unaffected by wind etc so you target an object pull the trigger and it instantly impacts it, what you aim at is what it hits , no estimating projection, it can fire a short burst or continuously stay firing like an endless light saber u could wage around to hit multiple object , no amuntion so it can fire as long as it has power , endless ammo and costs only $0.10 per shot verses $400,000 for a single defense interception missile of a CRAM. They can detect a cruise missile bieng launched anywhere in the world writhing seconds of launch becasue of satelight and radar connected systems globally and track it from launch to impact so now they can see the hypersonic missile comming and once in direct line of sight for a laser hit it instantly with the only weakness being the laser is controlled by a human being with a handheld controller ,..they fixed that but developing a complete system that uses the most advanced optical sensors , radars and cameras on earth and developed an AI based target acquisition, attacking , identifying and lazing computer system that can operate completely autonomously performing 26 BILLION tasks /ioerations /calculations per millisecond , infinitely faster than a human bieng operator can. The recently declassified defense weapon has completely changed warfare forever , the Laser makes a missile seem like an wooden spear relatively speaking. I’m just a couple hundred years we have laser weapons , where will we be in 100 years? What’s next? Lasers will make firearms a thing of the past. Eventually things will be so advanced and deadly it’d be madness for people to go to war both sides ahnialting each other , Dunes concept was it got there and got so advanced with human shields that stop projectiles they went back to swords . the suits because
"You have to go from rock-to-rock. This is like Tremors." What a funny coincidence! :)
So to your intro Vero: 1) You dont need to have read the books, this one does a great job of explaining things and easing you into the story and the universe (unlike the older movie which is a complete fever dream and hugely confusing if you havent read the books!) 2) Dune has had a HUGE influence on Star Wars. Its one of the grandaddy's of most modern sci fi and is kind of to the genre what tolkein is to fantasy.... 3) I know your probably saving it for your channel but this film was AMAZING on the big screen, if you can I hugely recommend watching part 2 in the theatre!
I'm not a theatre going person, I much prefer seeing movies at home so Part 2 will be watched at home and for teh channel 😁
Fair enough, just some visually spectacular movies (like Dune) kinda lose a little without being on a massive screen with huge surround sound spekers etc... ald that said Ive been to Cinemas in North america in the past and they tend to be rather more noisy and less polite crowds than over here in the UK at times so I can also get it not being everyones scene ;) (Im sure it varies by cinema mind you but hey ho, it is what it is!, you do you ultimately of course :D)@@VerowakReacts
I once met the guy who translated Hamlet into its original Klingon:) He gifted me a copy. It was fascinating.
I bet! That sounds like such a great thing to have!
37:40 The neo-Sindarin language based on Tolkien's Sindarin is probably the most developed constructed language (conlang). Star Trek's Klingon is probably next. But of all the conlangs, I most love listening to the Divine Language from The Fifth Element
In the book, there isn't really "good" guys per say - everyone has ulterior motives that are less than admirable. Yes, the Harkonnens are certainly cruel and all, but every Great Houses use an extremely unfair feudal system with extremely rich and extremely poor classes, and don't shy away from employing slaves, and none of the Houses want to make any change to that, including the Atreides. And it's made very clear in the book that even though the Atreides are seen as loyal and honorable, a lot of that is due to Leto's propaganda network and public relations, so it's in good part appearances. It's also made very clear Leto wants to exploit the Fremen to make them part of his army, there's no real altruism with him reaching out to them. Leto himself said in the book: "To hold Arrakis, one is faced with decisions that may cost one his self-respect. That honorable banner [the Atreides] could come to mean many evil things.” There's no ambiguity also that both Jessica and Paul are manipulating the Fremen using the myth of the Lisan al-Gaib which we know is a fabrication seeded by the Bene Gesserit's Missionaria Protectiva. But... The Fremen will also use Paul for their own agenda (the real motive behind the foreshadowed holy war). So yeah, Dune is more about gray morality than a classic good vs evil story like Star Wars for example. The intent of Frank Herbert was to warn against messianic/charismatic religious or political leaders, which can drive people to pure fanatical devotion, and all the dangers that entail.
I like the detail that when Liet dies, you see a spray of WATER, because they pierced her stillsuit.
Water is so incredibly precious