I feel so bad for Orobashi. One of the best gods that existed in Teyvat, lost a war, protected his people and even sacrificed himself for their safety. I always felt sad looking at his bones instead of fear, I know there isn't much known about Celestia's intentions but I can't help but feel they get a sense of pride looking down at their little 'land mark'. They terrify me. Kheanriah has also been looking way more sinister but by far the thing that terrifies me the most if Celestia. They have so much power especially when I remember what they did to the people of Dragonspine.
From what we learn in the lore, it sounds like all Orobashi wanted was to be accepted and find a group of people who would accept him. After celestia and all the other Gods rejected him, he finally found a home in the people. And then he performs the ultimate sacrifice. It's such a tragic story and like you whenever I'm on Yashiori Island I can't help but feel a little sad
Hey Shark… if you want to dive in another in interesting chain of thoughts… i was rereading the manga yesterday and noticed Venti mention “Pangu” right after he defeats Ursa. When i looked it up, i saw images of a being that looks a lot like Phanes description. I can’t believe they foreshadowed this even before the game releases. Take a look at the very end of the Vennessa story arc in the Manga. Venti also mentioned other mythological names that certainly we can now draw connections. Look forward for your next video! (Editing comment: the other names Venti mentioned was Purusha and Ymir… both primordial figures in Indian and Norse mythology… he even call them primordial). Not only that… in the scene shows Vennessa arriving in Celestia and the gates closing… but before that, a hawk that looks exactly like Diluc’s leaves the gates… i wonder if that’s a connection no one is talking about… Gouba was more than a cute bear … maybe the flame hawk Diluc bursts is Vennessa in some capacity… food for thought).
Venti's comments about those gods are interesting because he makes it sound like they sacrificed themselves for the worlds existence! It definitely lines up with what we know about the Primordial One and its shades. Definitely a lot to think about!
Pretty sure that kheanri'ah hated the gods before they were judged by celestia to be cursed, kheanri'ah is a godless nation so most likely they either didn't accept to be ruled by any god and somehow survived the war, or they were strong enough to survive without a god, the thing is that kheanri'ah had some advanced technology that can rival the abyss technology which allowed them to accomplish many things, kheanri'ah most likely discovered that celestia was suspicious and went to investigate the origin of it, they reached every ancient ruins and thus found out about enkanomyia and the unified civilization that existed long ago, they would then have discovered the same truth that Orobashi discovered and Celestia being Celestia tried to make a deal with them like banishing them beyond teyvat just like enkanomyia/abyss, kheanri'ah being proud nation refused such things and were getting ready to the battle, the traveler sibling was there as well, most of the archons didn't accept the idea of a whole nation being destroyed like Ei's sister and other warriors/beings, it's also the reason archons are terrified of celestia and hate those who accept it's rule like Zhongli/venti, the twins going to another world takes place during these events
This video gave me an insight into congruent narrative writing. Imaginenif you will that the main writers create a backbone storyline with certain events and characters specified, but not details. Then they say "we have 20 different cultures in thisbgame. Lets get 20 writers/writing teams to create histories based on this backbone narrative. Some are told that the narrative is heroic; others are told that the narrative is evil, others that its neutral... all have to create a legendarium based on these parameters, but they have the same ingredients, so that we as players can see the threads and difure out during play which narratives are true historical details for the game world
With the quality, talent and hard work we can see in each video… 1k sub is only the beginning. You have what it takes to thrive in this platform if you want. I’ll be around for the journey fellow traveler. Ad Astra Abyssosque!
I believe the mural is very close to primordial deities of greek mythology. Nyx the goddess of the Night. Erebus the god of darkness Abyss normally associate with darkness. Where I believe Erebus reside. Hemera the daughter of Nyx and Erebus, goddess of the day. Aether the son of Nyx and Erebus, god of light . Nyx is often portrayed in symbolism as a moon or stars. Aether is often portrayed in symbolism as a sun. The three sister could be Clotho, Atropos and Lachesis. (The three fates) They as well are the daughters of Nyx and Erebus. Some said they Nyx alone bear the three fates. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gnôsis Greek word for “knowledge” or “insight” Hence I believe those who got the Gnôsis need to uncover the knowledge of that piece. Abraxas , Gnostic God [The great archon] . (There is seven classic planet Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ancient people use stars as guide to locate their destination. Seelie are the stars. My lore speculation 2 months ago haha
the connection of the archons and celestia, are the gnosis. ei cuts contact by yeeting the gnosis and creating a puppet to function without it, and zhongli can't talk about celestia with the gnosis. but that still only explains about half, since orobashi never was an archon, and with that did not have a gnosis, so why would they see that. Either there are more archons, something like implied in the gnostic texts, 5 abyssal and 7 archons of the heavens, or celestia has some way to see into the gods brain within the range of their sight. That is likely to be limited, since we know, the dark sea is "out of the gods' gaze" Also i love this video, keep it up!
The fact that the archons can't or don't want to speak about Celestia is super sus! And I agree how Orobashi got found out is a bit unclear Also thank you so much!!! :D
I think the unnamed bard is the god of time. Which is why people said Venti and the God of Time use to be side by side. Also, bards sing songs. Songs are instances, or moments, of time. They’re also written in time signatures. Why was the bard unnamed? Because, according to in game books, knowing the true name of a god gives people a power over them. Hence why that Shade didn’t tell people it’s name.
Oh!!! That's something I definitely want to learn about more. Even though we know a bit about Venti's past wish there was another character questline so we can learn more about him and his friend.
To me Kairos is a shade of the primordial one and the other 3 shades are the moons sisters , in the book they said that the primordial one and its 3 shining shedes do not answer but is not like there is Only 3 shades now they Only don't answer and the Only one who don't forsake them is Kairos , wich Basic confirms that Kairos is the 4th shade We have no mention of other gods aside from phanes and its shades on that era so makes no sense Kairos a 5th god of unknown Origins And Greek mythology has many different versions for how the gods come about , phanes in some version is also Eros the primordial God of love son of Chaos brother of Nyx in other he is the son of aphrodite Also something that catch my attention Kairos is also know as "the god of thieves" wich on the we will be reunited quest we heard that the leader treasure hordes in liyue "Big sis of the South" was bless by the god of thieves it can be a hint??
Yeah there's so many different version of Greek Mythology so it could very well be different! The idea surrounding the thieves is really interesting! That could definitely be possible and mayve we'll learn more about it in the chasm?
@@BitSharkGames there is also this crack theory of mine that , Alice is Eris goddess of discord , in the end of the book series Eris Inazuma name is Arisu the japonese pronuciation of Alice , and one of the symbols of the goddess Eris is the Golden Apple and what is the name of the arhcepelago that Alice send us to play with klee? Alice may not be a god after all ,but a lot of enkanomyia character have name of god or mythological creatures like Erebos (God of darkness the twin of Nyx) and Argos (a hundred eye giant) speaking of hundred eye may be a conection with the statue of the vision hunt decree?
Amazing video, amazing channel :D (If im not mistaken I think the gnosis' are the ways the Gods are able to communicate with celestia and when they are taken away, they officially cut ties with them)
Yep the gnosis connect the Gods to Celestia but I think only the archons have them. Considering Orobashi wasn't one of the archons I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have one. But maybe they have other ways of keeping tabs on everyone!
Thank you for this video !! You have explained this soo well!! Your channel is amazing !! and you have gained another subscriber !! :D also i have a theory of god of time and venti. It can also be possible that venti is a part of god of time? or the one of the concious shade? Its stated that Kairos was associated with the thousand winds and venti is a part of the thousand shades. In the golden archipelo quest when we asked barbara about the holy lyre she said it was still in "good" condition where venti said it was only a little trick. Another one that venti appeared when old monds really needed him, just like kairos appeared to people of enkonomiya and guided their people. venti guides his people too but never actively participates unless its really needed. Plus we havent seen any other spirit being like venti! could that be that she created venti to guide the people and disappear? Also venti had stated that he had met traveller's sibling too!! Its only a theory tho😆
Venti could definitely be one of her creation! Wind and time seem to be pretty closely linked based on the lore from Monstadt. I'm hoping that at some point Venti elaborates on his past and the god of time!
The time of that unified civilization was also referred to as a time before gods walked the earth by Enjou, and since this civilization's fall seems to be connected to Celestia's arrival, I think the appearance of gods is linked with the arrival of the Second Throne (or Celestia). The Archon War happened not long (I think) after the Second arrived too.
@@rielart971 Well yeah, Celestia is only a place. But those civilizations clearly falling because of that place, which seems to have arrive after the war of thrones. Surely it has a deep relation with the Second. Or are you saying you know who/what the second throne is?
@@kisa4748 maybe, So like this, there is no indication that the second who came is Celestia and it is said that the second who came is only an individual. And I connected the book Before Sun and Moon with the Seelie myth, it was said that during the Seelie period there were travelers from Afar who married Seelie's ancestors but were not allowed by the three moon sisters. cause teyvat destroyed. see? The similarity between the two stories is the destruction of Teyvat for some reason, in the book Before Sun and Moon because of the primordial wars one and the second who came while the myth of Seelie is the sister's treachery of consent to the forbidden couple. if second who came is a traveler from afar in the seelie myth then it could be because second who came is also from the outside world of teyvat. although there are still many plot holes, but I can tell you that there is something between the conversation between Venti and the traveler as if he knows him but the traveler doesn't remember. so traveler from afar=second who came=tabibito ? If so, where are the brothers and sisters, to cover the existing plot holes. his brothers/sisters are clearly on an adventure with dain and building a civilization called khenriah . At the time of the destruction of Khaenriah, it was said that Tabibito was still sleeping, for what reason? yes because fighting against primordial one and losing memory just like dain . and also the issue of paimon following tabibito for nothing. Finally, Mihoyo released the second character of Tabibito with words from the initials K.K which said that Tabibito (Aether) had lost something, so do you still not understand this clue?
Even tho i'm quite behind in the ingame enka quest, I'm eating up all of the lore videos and articles because I'm too lazy to play lol, thanks for this
I am not sure about this, but isn’t it implied that most or all of the gods in the archon war came into being after the second throne, so they arrived with the celestia? Maybe thats why the celestia knew about orobashi reading the book. He was created by celestia
Yeah it sounds like Celestia was responsible for bringing the gods into Teyvat. It's very possible that since they're the creators of the gods they pretty much know everything that happens to them. I'm hoping we'll get more info on the relationship between Celestia and the gods in the future!
It's albedo's C2! Basically it gives stacks each time a flower is triggered inside his Q. When he ults it uses up the stacks and makes his Q do more damage :D
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I feel so bad for Orobashi. One of the best gods that existed in Teyvat, lost a war, protected his people and even sacrificed himself for their safety. I always felt sad looking at his bones instead of fear, I know there isn't much known about Celestia's intentions but I can't help but feel they get a sense of pride looking down at their little 'land mark'. They terrify me. Kheanriah has also been looking way more sinister but by far the thing that terrifies me the most if Celestia. They have so much power especially when I remember what they did to the people of Dragonspine.
From what we learn in the lore, it sounds like all Orobashi wanted was to be accepted and find a group of people who would accept him. After celestia and all the other Gods rejected him, he finally found a home in the people. And then he performs the ultimate sacrifice. It's such a tragic story and like you whenever I'm on Yashiori Island I can't help but feel a little sad
You deserve more subscribers. Your series are getting better and more interesting. I like your theory cuz it makes much sense for me.
Thank you so much!!! I'm super excited for the future of Genshin and this channel :D
Hey Shark… if you want to dive in another in interesting chain of thoughts… i was rereading the manga yesterday and noticed Venti mention “Pangu” right after he defeats Ursa. When i looked it up, i saw images of a being that looks a lot like Phanes description. I can’t believe they foreshadowed this even before the game releases. Take a look at the very end of the Vennessa story arc in the Manga. Venti also mentioned other mythological names that certainly we can now draw connections. Look forward for your next video! (Editing comment: the other names Venti mentioned was Purusha and Ymir… both primordial figures in Indian and Norse mythology… he even call them primordial). Not only that… in the scene shows Vennessa arriving in Celestia and the gates closing… but before that, a hawk that looks exactly like Diluc’s leaves the gates… i wonder if that’s a connection no one is talking about… Gouba was more than a cute bear … maybe the flame hawk Diluc bursts is Vennessa in some capacity… food for thought).
Venti's comments about those gods are interesting because he makes it sound like they sacrificed themselves for the worlds existence! It definitely lines up with what we know about the Primordial One and its shades. Definitely a lot to think about!
Pretty sure that kheanri'ah hated the gods before they were judged by celestia to be cursed, kheanri'ah is a godless nation so most likely they either didn't accept to be ruled by any god and somehow survived the war, or they were strong enough to survive without a god, the thing is that kheanri'ah had some advanced technology that can rival the abyss technology which allowed them to accomplish many things, kheanri'ah most likely discovered that celestia was suspicious and went to investigate the origin of it, they reached every ancient ruins and thus found out about enkanomyia and the unified civilization that existed long ago, they would then have discovered the same truth that Orobashi discovered and Celestia being Celestia tried to make a deal with them like banishing them beyond teyvat just like enkanomyia/abyss, kheanri'ah being proud nation refused such things and were getting ready to the battle, the traveler sibling was there as well, most of the archons didn't accept the idea of a whole nation being destroyed like Ei's sister and other warriors/beings, it's also the reason archons are terrified of celestia and hate those who accept it's rule like Zhongli/venti, the twins going to another world takes place during these events
Yeah it seems like whatever Celestia did to Khaenri'ah during the Cataclysm is something the Archons are scared of.
Bro, this video was amazing. You don’t deserve a thousand subs, you deserve a million ❤️
Thank so much! I really appreciate! Still early on in the journey :D
THIS IS AMAZING
Underrated channel take my algorithm boosting comment
hahah thank you :D
So hyped for the new event in Enkanomiya 👀
The new event looks sick! I'm glad Kokomi is getting more involved. I'm curious as to what we'll learn!
This video gave me an insight into congruent narrative writing.
Imaginenif you will that the main writers create a backbone storyline with certain events and characters specified, but not details.
Then they say "we have 20 different cultures in thisbgame. Lets get 20 writers/writing teams to create histories based on this backbone narrative.
Some are told that the narrative is heroic; others are told that the narrative is evil, others that its neutral... all have to create a legendarium based on these parameters, but they have the same ingredients, so that we as players can see the threads and difure out during play which narratives are true historical details for the game world
Your content is amazing ❤️ thank you!!
I really appreciate it! Thank you so much!
With the quality, talent and hard work we can see in each video… 1k sub is only the beginning. You have what it takes to thrive in this platform if you want. I’ll be around for the journey fellow traveler. Ad Astra Abyssosque!
ahhhh thank you so so much! I really appreciate the kind words!
I believe the mural is very close to primordial deities of greek mythology.
Nyx the goddess of the Night.
Erebus the god of darkness
Abyss normally associate with darkness. Where I believe Erebus reside.
Hemera the daughter of Nyx and Erebus, goddess of the day.
Aether the son of Nyx and Erebus, god of light .
Nyx is often portrayed in symbolism as a moon or stars.
Aether is often portrayed in symbolism as a sun.
The three sister could be Clotho, Atropos and Lachesis. (The three fates)
They as well are the daughters of Nyx and Erebus.
Some said they Nyx alone bear the three fates.
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Gnôsis Greek word for “knowledge” or “insight”
Hence I believe those who got the Gnôsis need to uncover the knowledge of that piece.
Abraxas , Gnostic God [The great archon] . (There is seven classic planet Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn)
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Ancient people use stars as guide to locate their destination.
Seelie are the stars.
My lore speculation 2 months ago haha
There's a ton of links to primordial dieties of greek mythology! I love the connections Mihoyo made in the lore
the connection of the archons and celestia, are the gnosis. ei cuts contact by yeeting the gnosis and creating a puppet to function without it, and zhongli can't talk about celestia with the gnosis. but that still only explains about half, since orobashi never was an archon, and with that did not have a gnosis, so why would they see that. Either there are more archons, something like implied in the gnostic texts, 5 abyssal and 7 archons of the heavens, or celestia has some way to see into the gods brain within the range of their sight. That is likely to be limited, since we know, the dark sea is "out of the gods' gaze"
Also i love this video, keep it up!
The fact that the archons can't or don't want to speak about Celestia is super sus! And I agree how Orobashi got found out is a bit unclear
Also thank you so much!!! :D
I think the unnamed bard is the god of time. Which is why people said Venti and the God of Time use to be side by side.
Also, bards sing songs. Songs are instances, or moments, of time. They’re also written in time signatures.
Why was the bard unnamed? Because, according to in game books, knowing the true name of a god gives people a power over them. Hence why that Shade didn’t tell people it’s name.
Oh!!! That's something I definitely want to learn about more. Even though we know a bit about Venti's past wish there was another character questline so we can learn more about him and his friend.
Great explanation mate u got a new sub ☺❤
To me Kairos is a shade of the primordial one and the other 3 shades are the moons sisters , in the book they said that the primordial one and its 3 shining shedes do not answer but is not like there is Only 3 shades now they Only don't answer and the Only one who don't forsake them is Kairos , wich Basic confirms that Kairos is the 4th shade
We have no mention of other gods aside from phanes and its shades on that era so makes no sense Kairos a 5th god of unknown Origins
And Greek mythology has many different versions for how the gods come about , phanes in some version is also Eros the primordial God of love son of Chaos brother of Nyx in other he is the son of aphrodite
Also something that catch my attention Kairos is also know as "the god of thieves" wich on the we will be reunited quest we heard that the leader treasure hordes in liyue "Big sis of the South" was bless by the god of thieves it can be a hint??
Yeah there's so many different version of Greek Mythology so it could very well be different! The idea surrounding the thieves is really interesting! That could definitely be possible and mayve we'll learn more about it in the chasm?
@@BitSharkGames there is also this crack theory of mine that , Alice is Eris goddess of discord , in the end of the book series Eris Inazuma name is Arisu the japonese pronuciation of Alice , and one of the symbols of the goddess Eris is the Golden Apple and what is the name of the arhcepelago that Alice send us to play with klee? Alice may not be a god after all ,but a lot of enkanomyia character have name of god or mythological creatures like Erebos (God of darkness the twin of Nyx) and Argos (a hundred eye giant) speaking of hundred eye may be a conection with the statue of the vision hunt decree?
Amazing video, amazing channel :D (If im not mistaken I think the gnosis' are the ways the Gods are able to communicate with celestia and when they are taken away, they officially cut ties with them)
Yep the gnosis connect the Gods to Celestia but I think only the archons have them. Considering Orobashi wasn't one of the archons I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have one. But maybe they have other ways of keeping tabs on everyone!
Thank you for this video !! You have explained this soo well!! Your channel is amazing !! and you have gained another subscriber !! :D
also i have a theory of god of time and venti. It can also be possible that venti is a part of god of time? or the one of the concious shade? Its stated that Kairos was associated with the thousand winds and venti is a part of the thousand shades. In the golden archipelo quest when we asked barbara about the holy lyre she said it was still in "good" condition where venti said it was only a little trick. Another one that venti appeared when old monds really needed him, just like kairos appeared to people of enkonomiya and guided their people. venti guides his people too but never actively participates unless its really needed. Plus we havent seen any other spirit being like venti! could that be that she created venti to guide the people and disappear? Also venti had stated that he had met traveller's sibling too!! Its only a theory tho😆
Venti could definitely be one of her creation! Wind and time seem to be pretty closely linked based on the lore from Monstadt. I'm hoping that at some point Venti elaborates on his past and the god of time!
The time of that unified civilization was also referred to as a time before gods walked the earth by Enjou, and since this civilization's fall seems to be connected to Celestia's arrival, I think the appearance of gods is linked with the arrival of the Second Throne (or Celestia). The Archon War happened not long (I think) after the Second arrived too.
Second throne is not celestia
@@rielart971 Well yeah, Celestia is only a place. But those civilizations clearly falling because of that place, which seems to have arrive after the war of thrones. Surely it has a deep relation with the Second. Or are you saying you know who/what the second throne is?
@@kisa4748 maybe, So like this, there is no indication that the second who came is Celestia and it is said that the second who came is only an individual. And I connected the book Before Sun and Moon with the Seelie myth, it was said that during the Seelie period there were travelers from Afar who married Seelie's ancestors but were not allowed by the three moon sisters. cause teyvat destroyed. see? The similarity between the two stories is the destruction of Teyvat for some reason, in the book Before Sun and Moon because of the primordial wars one and the second who came while the myth of Seelie is the sister's treachery of consent to the forbidden couple. if second who came is a traveler from afar in the seelie myth then it could be because second who came is also from the outside world of teyvat. although there are still many plot holes, but I can tell you that there is something between the conversation between Venti and the traveler as if he knows him but the traveler doesn't remember. so traveler from afar=second who came=tabibito ?
If so, where are the brothers and sisters, to cover the existing plot holes. his brothers/sisters are clearly on an adventure with dain and building a civilization called khenriah . At the time of the destruction of Khaenriah, it was said that Tabibito was still sleeping, for what reason? yes because fighting against primordial one and losing memory just like dain . and also the issue of paimon following tabibito for nothing. Finally, Mihoyo released the second character of Tabibito with words from the initials K.K which said that Tabibito (Aether) had lost something, so do you still not understand this clue?
I am just waiting for months for someone to make video on enkanomiya theory.
Even tho i'm quite behind in the ingame enka quest, I'm eating up all of the lore videos and articles because I'm too lazy to play lol, thanks for this
haha I'm glad this helped! It definitely a ton of content to get through xD
I wish I could replay all of Enkanomiya fr.
I agree! Exploring Enkanomiya for the first time was such an experience!
Enkanomiya lore could be the Twelve Olympians.
I am not sure about this, but isn’t it implied that most or all of the gods in the archon war came into being after the second throne, so they arrived with the celestia? Maybe thats why the celestia knew about orobashi reading the book. He was created by celestia
Yeah it sounds like Celestia was responsible for bringing the gods into Teyvat. It's very possible that since they're the creators of the gods they pretty much know everything that happens to them. I'm hoping we'll get more info on the relationship between Celestia and the gods in the future!
Out of topic but what is that floating yellow thing besides your character? 20:10
It's albedo's C2! Basically it gives stacks each time a flower is triggered inside his Q. When he ults it uses up the stacks and makes his Q do more damage :D
@@BitSharkGames oh thanks!!