Battle of the Mailboxes | EPS, ACRO, MPS, Kraken, 509t
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
- I take a look at all of the modern boxes for both pistol and rifle offset/piggybacks on the market at this time (I'm sure I forgot one, so I look like a idiot).
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The EPS is legit. Strongly recommend.
Just put an eps carry on a sig macro and honestly can't say there is any other optic I would want on it.
@@andrewclodfelter3782 possibly a EPS for the slightly larger window size.
Midway shipped me a EPS instead of an EPS carry so I'm running the EPS on my macro lol, fits my holsters fine and the overhang is barely noticeable.
@@fragger56 I did something similar. I didn't realize there was a difference and ordered an EPS. I put it on my Macro and almost said screw it and run it anyway. I loved the window size but the hang over on the sides of the slide forced me to return it and order a carry model. It fits much better. I just wish they made an acss with a dot for the EPS carry. Perfection.
Got the eps mrs on my x macro tacops. Love it.
Just got the EPS a couple weeks ago, very happy with it so far
Just a little thing to prevent confusion: the 509T v2 is just the 509T with a different button arrangement to avoid Trijicon’s lawyers shitting themselves for patent infringement. The 509T X2 is what you referring to in the video.
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It has better glass too. It's noticeably less distorted on the X2 vs the OG 509T.
Not quite. The 407/507/508 all had V2 models that had larger buttons vertically aligned. The X2 revision saw them swap to small buttons horizontally aligned. The 509T never had the V2 designation, just X2 and non-X2. They were also never part of the Trijicon lawsuit since Trijicon doesn't make an enclosed emitter pistol dot. The big difference between the X2 and non-X2 was tinting and apparent magnification. The X2 was significantly flatter and appeared less tinted. Also, the button placement was consistent between both versions, it always had bigger horizontally aligned buttons.
I hope whoever at the patent office that granted the "big buttons and the up button goes on top" gets hit by a hypersonic 507C that falls off of a sounding rocket for some reason.
Does anyone know if the 509T sits lower than a 507C/EPS + rail mount adapter? Or if it's the same? I'm planning to mount one of these on my Taurus Raging Hunter.
12:56 "I've already had my moment with window size so I'll spare you that pane." Ha.
Scouring my YT for something fresh to watch, Lo and behold a new brass facts video- truly a blessing from the lord
I absolutely love my EPS. I have the larger one on a PDP compact that I carry every day. Open emitter optics get so dirty so fast if you carry it regularly. The EPS also maintains very clear glass with minimal distortion and blue tint. If you can fit it on something….. GET IT. It’s a VERY good EDC red dot
I love my EPS. I've had it for about 9 months now, about 1k rounds through the 19x it's on. It's still on it's first battery, with daily carry and auto shutoff set to 2 hours (I believe.) I also left it outside overnight for a whole week during -20f weather to see what it would do, never noticed any issues at all
The 509 acss is nice on a 45 degree mount on a rifle. The chevron indicates the horizontal plane much better than a dot and thus helps establish a more precise zero.
love my acss, hadn't considered the value on offset. Good call.
Definitely giving the EPS and EPS carry a hard look for my competition gun and carry gun respectively.
The STEINER MPS is my only MRDS-E that hasn't fogged due to temperature and elevation changes. The Aimpoint gave up just sitting on my G20 in a backpack after a trip to 10,000ft camping overnight. I got into my bag to put it on inside the Jeep with the heater on and it immediately fogged up before my eyes!.Aimpoint instantly gave me an RMA number and a shipping label but damn. The MPS has been on that same trip in colder conditions multiple times while I was still waiting for P2s to be in stock anywhere with no such problems.
The substitute optic I only bought because there were no P2s available seems to be the better unit. I just have to feed it batteries every 90 days like a friggin EOTech..
MPS guy here. Love it. No clue about battery life yet but it’s awesome
This is my first time watching one of your videos, and I am immensely impressed by the caliber of your content and comments. Please keep up the good work.
if anyone is considering replacing their 507k with the eps carry, I HIGHLY recommend it. The glass is so clear & having a closed emitter is so useful for conceal carry
Damn it, you’re going to make me spend money to do just that. Love my 407K but it’s a lint magnet. Same footprint right?
@@stainlessmvp yup same footprint. Bro I would never recommend replacing an optic that’s already fine if it wasn’t work the upgrade. It’s a real game changer fr. I have the 2moa green
@@stainlessmvpsame boat here… love the 407k but every day I’m blowing and wiping shit off the glass, it would be so much easier with the EPS. 100% would still recommend the 407/507’s. Worth every penny but damn that EPS is sexy and I can’t resist
As of today 1/23/24, I cannot recommend the steiner MPS optic for duty use. I have less then 100 rounds of 9mm through my duty gun with the MPS. Today during a live fire exercise in 30 degree Fahrenheit conditions, the emitter failed. The dot just straight up poof gone. Changed out 3 batteries and same same. I also noticed the o ring to battery cap came detached as well. I will not trust my life or other Officers lives to this. The optic was literally babied during its very short life span on my gun. It's very unfortunate because the wide field of view, crisp dot, clear glass and enclosed style sight was really intriguing. I will try the ACRO and see what happens..
Then don’t try Acro or Holosun since both have the same reported issues , look it up online there will always be lemons and sounds like you hit the crap lottery .
Send it back and get a refund.
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12:25
Dude, that was…awesome.
I've been running my 509t for about 4 years now. Absolutely love it. But I really want to get my hands on that EPS in a bad way.
Same thing here. Really curious how the EPS holds up over time.
@@Pouncer_Fox I’m waiting to hear feedback. I trust the 509t V2 and it’s never failed me.
Thanks for doing this video. I'm currently trying to decide which dot to go with because I need to get my slide milled. Looks like the EPS Carry is a great option.
That YEET transition to pistol at 4 minutes.
I went with the 509t x2 for my offset, mainly because I am familiar with the 507c and I like the circle dot reticle. Couldn't be happier.
Romeo 2. HUGE window and thin bezel, super clear glass under NV, and built like a tank with its replaceable outer shroud. Definitely a slept on optic choice.
Great if you use your handgun under nods all the time.
Big sleeper. I checked mine under nods vs my buddy's P2 and I'm fairly certain the Romeo 2 had a better/clearer sight picture. That said, I think my battery just died after only 9 months.
I like it, especially if you are already shooting P320s.
As a man of a Certain Age that cannot see well up close, a vocal second!
- Overpriced (more expensive than anything on this list
- Not purged
- Worse battery life
- Plastic rear lens when used in the "enclosed" configuration
- Sig-centric mouning
The price alone makes me chuckle at the thought of it being "slept on". It's an awkward middle ground. Buy enclosed, or buy open. There is no reason to buy a hybrid.
That voldemort impression had me dying 😂
I guess the Avada Kedavra worked.
I’m gonna have to take a look at my MPS again under NV, but I don’t recall having any issues using it for passive aiming. Lighting conditions were pretty nice that night though so that could be why.
I currently have 6 509T out of the two V1 one has failed by condensation after a snowy USPSA match. Sent it back to Holosun for a V2 replacement. Beside that it's been rock solid as a CCW, competition, and rained/snowed/frozen without issues on all the other 509T V1/V2.
I’ll be stepping up as the Steiner MPS defender.
When it comes to pistol mounting, the lower window is fantastic when you consider your back up irons, a specific concern to pistols, but a highly valid one at that.
Mind you, I don’t see the irons as a “failsafe” in case the optic goes down, so much as an instant sighting solution when your dot potentially gets washed out. Either by your WML or sudden unanticipated lighting change to brighter than you have it set for. Or even something as realistic as aiming towards headlights. Where there is optic washout, there is going to be a great iron sight silhouette.
That being said, trying to find iron sight solutions for the other options here is about as agonizing as trying to find one for the DPP. Until Unity Tactical comes out with some tall boy irons, you’re gonna struggle to get a good witness.
My personal setup even rides on an RMR to ACRO plate, yet despite that, I get a perfect witness. (My standard being the rear sight valley is flush with the window.
The iron sights I suggest for this is the Night Fision brand specific suppressor height because they are slight taller than traditional. They work fine for the 509t as well, though you get half the tritium vials through the window. Not to mention the 509t often has excessive glue around the edge being slightly obstructive to irons.
If you have a direct mill ACRO cut, suppressor heights may ironically be too obstructive. Night Fision makes “optic height” which fills that in between of standard height vs suppressor height.
The money you save between an MPS and an ACRO P-2 can afford you enough batteries for you and your grandchildren’s lifetime.
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It was the voldemort handgun spell that got me
I will take EPD ALL day. it's fast to pick up and low mount height are awesome. There is a half-contender that's not mentioned here for the Sig shooter in some (most) of us: the Romeo 2. It's HUGE and anything that's not a full sized pistol is just silly, but it's bomb-proof. It's only a half-contender because it's enclosure is removeable which makes it's extremely versatile. the downside is you need a aridly dry environment to put the optic together in enclosed pistol optic configuration or it will fog up, but it has survived all kinds of torture tests. I put mine together over the winter where the air was so dry I had to wear a anti-static wrist strap in my house. no issues.
Knew I stumbled upon a quality channel when you mentioned your links and then to shop around bc they’re not always the best prices. Can’t say I’ve ever heard any other UA-camr say anything near that.
thank you for validating my p2 purchase , I bought it on reddit for 580 shipped brand new 3 months ago
Whoa!!! I was so excited to see this!!!
Steiner MPS:
The Good- Crispy dot and best one under nods imo, survived Run n Guns, rolling around at the range, and the occasional yeetings. Also, very clear window, emitter is on top which helps when shooting towards the sun.
The Bad- 3-4 month battery life on the always on setting, older caps were a super soft aluminum so you'd destroy the cap easily when removing the battery. Also buttons are actually pretty hard to depress for a long period of time when trying to adjust the setting.
ACRO:
The Good - okay under nods but the dot is crisp during the day, housing is thicc but gets better after training, I'd assume it do well under torture (just acquired). Get to flex on the poors.
The Bad- price, torx wrench adjustment, and sits pretty high compared the MPS so I lose my standard height rear irons. Buttons aren't terrible but do leave things to be desired.
Holosun 509T
The Good: budget friendly, water proof when sealed properly, great battery life, and okay under nods, surprisingly crisper dot than the ACRO (with my astigmatism).
The Bad - honestly, just poor QC. I'm not anti Holosun because I keep buying them but I've had the glue that holds the lens melt off, canted red dots, large amount of fish bowling or distortion in the lens, and the side battery flying out under recoil even when torqued properly.
Of course, all of this is anecdotal. Run your gear and figure out what you like best 🤙
So….. which one would be the best for a backup 45* mounted dot sight off an mpvo for a 6arc you think?
Comprehensive as always I love it
was genuinely shopping for one while on UA-cam lol nice timing
I've really been considering the Holosun 509 RDS with the ACSS Vulcan reticle.
You might want to hold off to see if they are going to make the EPS ACSS Vulcan reticle instead because they(Holosun) might get rid of the 509t
Ok the review is valuable, but the real treasure of this video is your take on voldemort. I'm ded
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I tried the MPS when it came out. It now runs on ALL of my pistols. I think it just gets some hate because it’s Steiner. If it had a different name on it, ppl would be all over it. It’s a sleeper. Get one.
My pistol optic uses a 1632 and after almost 2 years I changed it, guess a short shut down and shake awake feature really does make a difference
I acquired a 509t when they were on clearance before the x2 came out. First I tried it on an ultra light ar15 build with scalarworks rmr mount + adapter plate. Then I moved it to a Glock 17 also with the rmr adapter plate. I guess I'd just prefer a direct mount option. Thinking about either getting a 509t reptilia mount or an attero arms 509t mount for an ak74 with a wire sidefolder.
I have 3 MPSs that are still on original battery. Always on. About to hit 1 year in June
I got a couple of PDP awhile back and needed RDS. I went with 509 since it’s less of a mailbox than other mailboxes
Haven't watched the video yet but I'll add an edit at the bottom when I do.
I have an Acro p2, got it almost a year ago, 6500+ rounds later it has an amazingly crisp dot, pretty good NV performance, etc but the acros have been plagued with issues, although my acro doesnt have any of the fogging issues that are common it does have some minor flaking of the paint in the sacrificial lense.
I pair the Swampfox Kraken with Swampfox Hostile Engagement mount for their scopes. Had one go down on pistol. Customer service was amazing, but will not put back on pistols, think the reciprocation of slide knock a connector loose. Great for rifle though.
When I saw this video pop up I thought “this is my dream video” I’m so excited to watch it.
Finally a video I’m looking for
Funny that Holosun has innovated their red dots, the EPS line has performed and held up great. It's hard to drop $600 & still have to use a plate. Along with many people having condensation problems & some just dying.
I have a 509T OG that's doing fine, and a EPSc that is genuinely the ideal option for something that gets as much fuzz and lint as it does.
I sill likely look at an MPS eventually as they can be found for around 350-450 (I actually found a vendor running a sale for 353 right now).
PS. The Kraken seems to struggle with keeping water out. So don't get it wet. As for proper destructive testing, I haven't seen it yet.
Just the video I needed thank you!
Awesome review. Love your sarcastic quips haha
Will eventually upgrade to the eps for my carry gun.
The Trijicon RMR Type 2 RM06 is still the king and I'm tired of pretending it isn't.
I'm getting close to 3k on my 509t. It's been really solid so far!
Curve ball, I bought the Sig Romeo 2, it's Aimpoint expensive, but I kinda like it more than my P2, it's got a much bigger window, smaller bezel, decent if quite small buttons, and very good NV performance. Drawbacks are it's footprint doesn't work with a lot of shit out there (unless you file front lugs off) and I hate that it isn't a dedicated enclosed red dot, because honestly if it was and used an ACRO footprint I would probably sell my other dots.
Early access on Patreon?
Sage Dynamics said that thing is very good.
The Kraken and the Cyelee Bear look like they could come from the same factory.
I'm actually looking for a solid top dot to run on a DMR/SPR hybrid build I'm doing in 5.56 to sit over top of a US Optics TS 20x. (2.5-20x, 34mm tube)
It's probably not going to see much night vision use, and I mostly want it as a quick aiming solution to both quickly acquire sight picture at range, and make snap shots when/if applicable. Id like for it to be night vision compatible, but its not a hard requirement.
I'm currently running a 407c, and would strongly prefer a 2 moa dot because of the zero I use. (20 inch barrel with a 75 yd zero)
Any recommendations would be appreciated. My budget is around the $400 range in preference, but will probably cap at 500.
Released just in time, Im about to buy of of these
Been waiting for this one. Was thinking of putting a kraken on my Frankenstein of a G19 build just cuz it's weird. Guess I'm not considering it anymore now.
G34, EPS, CHPWS plate 👌 my fave EDC
I see you’re getting wise to my nova games. Trying to get me learn more.
Nova. The red eyed, Jedi. Such a happy girl! Thanks for the share!!
I love the steiner so far. The window is awesome and i like how low the glass sits since the emitter is on top. If it holds up long term ill be happy with it. I hope they come out with a v2 version that has a 2032 battery. Id buy another one if it had better battery life.
How’s it holding up I’m thinking about getting one
Dont. Mine failed on my duty gun after 80 rounds of 9mm... i loved the sight given its features but the emitter failed and it was then a paperweight on my glock.@kaidennall479
@@Blue-yk8tt wish you would’ve reached out slightly earlier got one, mounting bolt failed after 1 match so close to 300 rounds, hopefully they don’t deny my claim, may have “ accidentally” locktited that thing in bc I didn’t want it to come off lol
I prefer auto adjust thats y I like trijicon and for my eyes the trijicons autoadjust is always perfect or mayb a little to bright but I'd rather be alittle to bright then not bright enough and I've had no problems with the auto adjust looking from a dark area out into light but im very interested in checking out the new holosun scs for the p320
I have 2 ACROs very happy with them, if Steiner used a 2032 battery I'd get one. They've gone up in price too because of their popularity. They're $600 now. No way I'm buying it at that price.
This video was a huge help for a piggyback.
I have 2 507cs, and 1 407c, all on handguns (1 507 lived through around 1k rounds on a 7.62 ak before getting put on a handgun) which between all 3 have about 15,000 rounds through them, and none have had any issues, and none have been sent back. When I decide to dip my toes into the closed emitter world, it's going to be the EPS, no questions asked.
I mouted an EPS as a piggyback on my rifle using evolution gun works Universal piggyback mounting system. Its great!
The EPS Carry 2/32 MOA (MRS) Green dot w/solar option is the best for EDC imo.
Mounted on an Mc9 - It’s perfect!
Is yours distorted? Mine warps everywhere but bottom center even after RMA. I feel crazy reading everyone else loving it. My first red dot
I been really lookin at the Steiner as a great offering & this is one more push towards it.
I really like my Steiner as a pistol optic
I bought one to throw on my PDP. After a single range trip, it now has a small screw or pin or something, rattling around. YMMV
@KirrenMirsalas lmao. I just got one for my new pdp pro full size. Why don't you send it back for warranty?
@@mikehoncho4637 I will be, it's just annoying that this will be the third steiner product I've sent back for warranty so far. I took a chance, thinking this would be different but....steiner gonna steiner.
@KirrenMirsalas damn. Here I am fingers crossed. Just got the pdp and got the red dot mounted. Range day Tomorrow bro wish me luck lmao
Curious, what is the optic mount used on your rifle when you reviewed the Holosun 509. Thanks.
There is also that new batteryless holosun for the mos that is a boxed version, don’t know if it’s in production yet tho.
What poncho are you rocking in your vids?
I’m really curious how the Holosun SCS320 will stack up as an enclosed option without the battery.
I'd like to see that in this mix.
Holosun swinging way above their weight class and knocking the top dogs out. Per usual.
It's weird that as soon as I start looking at closed emiter red dots that you put this video out.
Side note what about the new C&H precision duty red dot? Would there be a potential review coming for that one?
I would love to know what is the device that has the red dot mounted directly to the brace while still using a pistol grip on the pistol?
AND the HOLOSUN AEMS!! (For PCCs) Have both the 509T on a pistol and the AEMS on my totally upgraded RUGER PC chassis carbine. Best damn PCC red dot made - IMHO.
Lovin the 509T
Thoughts on thre romeo 2? It's a box but not truly enclosed? And runs just under acro p2 money
I like how you carry your last mag in a spare pistol
Been waiting for this review. Hope Trijicon and others enter this royal rumble
Does the 509T include the stuff I would need to mount it on pic rail?
EPS. They’re dropping so many S tier optics now it’s getting really, really hard to buy anything else. Form factor, features, performance, price…… It’s a formula that just works for me.
Have you gotten your hands on an AEMS core? I'd like to hear your opinion on it and whether or not a more stripped down version of the AEMS is worth it, main concern for me is the "cast aluminium".
for NV? no.
Just 2 NV settings. Otherwise, sure seems fine.
@@BrassFacts sounds great, thanks, and what's that optic you mentioned at the end of the video? I couldn't really catch the make and model, cheers.
Alternative Title:
Which optic manufacturers make the best microwave 😂
how does the sig romeo 2 stack up as well in your opinion?
My ACRO P-2 doesn’t hold windage zero (wanders about half a front sight width when manipulating slide). I’ve tried two different mounts and I’ve sent it back to Aimpoint with no success. Everything is torqued to spec with a torque screwdriver. Supposedly Forward Controls Design is releasing a heavier duty mounting bracket at some point to fix this. Has anyone else had this problem?
What’s the krakens battery life like? Might pick one up to throw on a pcc
I love the 509T But figuring a way to run it on my slide was a little tricky
I direct milled for mine. Sits way lower than a plate
7:59 Thank you. Finally someone said it.
Doggo footage makes me feel all warm n fuzzy. Who am I kidding…so does the shooting. 👌🏼🦍🏴
4:05 dat transition tho nice
I have well over 10k rounds on a single 507c and around 5k for the t serious and absolutely zero issues as of yet.
Does the EPS Carry have tint/distortion issues like the 509t? I saw the latter in a store and noticed both issues with it. I haven't seen an EPS though.
eps is better.
c&h precision just released a line of their red dots, i know they are the go to for optic plates. but their arco clone looks alright.
side by side it looks nearly identical to the swampfox kraken
CHPWS has dogshit QC making little metal plates, I'd hate to know how bad their quality control is for full-on optics.
C&H has horrible fitting plates. Supposed to be "precision" but the slop is ridiculous. My free plate from Walther was 10 times better than that junk.
My 509t was the first red dot I bought. Yes it's got a weird, like magnification on the glass on the edge. I'm fine with it, honestly. (It could be clearer) Yeah, it's weird, but I can still shoot good with it. It was pricey, though, when I got it. I think I wouldn't buy it again, though. I still like closed emitter dots.
What would you recommend for astigmatism?
The Harry Potter reference got me!
Bought the 509t based on your last review
God damn it. I wanted this video a week ago. I ended up getting a deal on a aems core. But at wanted to be able to look at all these so if the nighvision doesn't work out with it I could put it on something that means a low mount.
Im just looking for somthing for my fn502. Somthing thatll go good with the pistol being stealthy.
Wish the 509T x2 or EPS would become available for/fit the g47mos. So far no. I've tried both