ACRO P2: Hype Meets Reality
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- Опубліковано 2 лют 2023
- The ACRO P2 is good.
It's not so good that people should pay double MSRP for what is essentially a T2 in a box.
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You're the first person I've seen not only talk about the nv performance of the P2 but SHOW the performance of the P2. Thanks Brock.
This!
Mojo has posted some content on it but not a dedicated video on it
The biggest benefit of the P2 is that it uses Aimpoint's newer, more efficient, low powered laser that was introduced with the CompM5. For my astigmatism the P2 and CompM5 bloom a lot less than my T2.
Thank you for mentioning this. I’m always struggling against the sparkling amoeba that virtually all my red dots have. My two favorite guns have recently been swapped to eotech to remedy this fact but I’ve still got multiple red dots of varying quality on some other guns.
That’s interesting I have the opposite experience. Eyes are weird
This is a huge plus!
Commenting for algo but also to share my experience with the Acro for the past ~8 months.
I got an Acro P2 in May of last year and had my 4.25” M&P direct milled to accept it. Since then it’s been my primary gun for range days, competitions, dry fire, etc. I still like it, but very much agree with your assessment of the optic being a bit overhyped.
There are some real downsides as a pistol optic most people don’t really talk about. First, the window is SMALL. The area of the window is actually smaller than the holosun K series optics. Coming from even just an RMR, I had a tough time at first and it forced me to correct some technique to make sure my dot always came back to center.
Second, my battery died initially after only a few months. It was the original battery that aimpoint shipped with it, so I’m hoping it was a fluke (and it’s been going strong for ~5 months now on the replacement). Sample size of 1, so take that info for what it’s worth.
Lastly, my 4.25” slide with the acro has a noticeably slower velocity than my 4” slide with an RMR. I think it has to do with how tall the acro is and where the weight is distributed; I would be cautious about putting it on something with a long slide and expecting perfect reliability with all ammo.
On the positive side, the glass is excellent; one of the clearest red dots I’ve ever looked through. Looking through it under a friend’s pvs-14 was also very nice. I also like the brightness settings and the simplicity of not worrying about it going into auto adjust mode (looking at you, type 2 RMR). It truly will get into “burn out your retinas” levels of bright at max setting.
Overall, solid optic, but I don’t think I would ever recommend someone pay scalper prices for one.
EDIT: Updating 2/16/2023. My p2 had a major failure where the emitter seems to have separated from the body. This was while shooting normally at an indoor range, not even on a holster draw or any kind of extreme use. The dot is now pointed over a foot low left at 7 yards and is unusable. Sending it back to aimpoint for warranty, curious to see how they handle it.
Sounds like you need a lighter recoil spring to accommodate the optic. I've an RMR HRS but haven't tried the SRO yet, so that'll be my next one to try out.
@@DZ4295DBW stock recoil spring still works fine for the 4.25” M&p; I’ve shot a lot of aluminum case ammo which is fairly weak, and even with that I’m yet to have a malfunction. Ejection isn’t as strong with the very low powered range ammo, but dropping down to a lighter spring would not be ideal when shooting anything more normal powered. If the same optic was on a 5” with a heavier slide (or I was actually having any malfunctions) I’d probably be more inclined to start experimenting.
The window size seems small due to the tube effect but it's actually got a larger window than the rmr.
@@shelbyneely1572
Acro P2: .59” x .59” = ~.35in^2
RMR: .87”x .63” = ~.55 in^2
Math will be slightly off since RMR isn’t square, but close enough to prove the point. Also I literally own both of them and have looked at them side by side lol.
@@grantshurtz I own both and could have swore It was the same but I pick the acro up faster anyways so......
The dog segment at the end was a welcome addition. More of that in the future please.
One appealing feature of the ACRO P2 is its use of 2032 batteries instead of 2016 batteries that are more commonly used on pistol red dots. That at least prevents you from having to keep replacements of one more type of battery. The use of 2032 batteries should also lead to longer battery life, which is apparent in the optic's specs, but I think it still remains to be seen if the longer battery life actually materializes.
for sure. I think the ACRO p2 really feels at home on a rifle as a offset/piggy.
You already have watch batteries everywhere because every scope uses it. So this fit right into that.
I sold my P-2 after 1 range session, switched to a 509T. Didn't experience any issues or pistol malfunctions with the optic, but I hated shooting with it.
My gripes:
-Small window despite chunky body
-Casued issues with my Safariland 6390RDS. Optic fit, but I had to use an awkward draw to get the gun (Sig 320) to release
-WHY THE ACTUAL HELL DO YOU HAVE TO USE A TORX BIT TO ADJUST YOUR ZERO?! I can use my Leatherman screwdriver on the 509
-WHY THE ACTUAL HELL IS IT $600?!
WHY THE ACTUAL HELL ARE YOU YELLING SO MUCH MATT!?
Just trying to make ya laugh, I hope you all are having a fantastic day. Now get off the toilet, or go to sleep.
(Says the guy typing this comment on the toilet at 2am.)
Not sure how you manage it but it always seems like you post a new vid at my lunch break perfectly every time. Thanks homie. I’ll probably never buy any of these products but hot damn do I enjoy your content sir.
got to do something during the lunch break right ?
The real question is where did you get that dope poncho?
Bump on this!
Good video! Far out of my price or need range so this one of those videos I show up for. Always a pleasure
Went from an rmr to a p2, mainly for the convince of battery changes. So far I like it
It's a pistol red-dot, the best one there is too, at least in all the metrics that could truly matter in any 'life or death" scenario. One could complain about price, but that's about it. On a rifle, get a T2.
I feel the same. Its not a T2 replacement, its a pistol dot that solves the last problem pistol dots really had.
Well said. I love BF but I groaned a bit when I saw the thumbnail featured this mounted on a PDW.
Aimpoint has done nothing but advertise this as a pistol MRDS and it should be treated as such
@Ass Clapper Holoyuan enthusiast I take? Muh innovashion?
@@MellowFellowOfYellow It kind of make no sense. I guess you can cut down like 1 oz. in total weight, but I don't think it justifies all the performance that you lose.
Wrong.
You hit the mark towards the end, I only bought my P2 just to flex at the range
I come for the reviews, but stay for the Nova footage.
I got issued one of these last February. I guess the department had a big enough order to get them filled early on. Everything from here is anecdotal but this is what I’ve observed personally and over a fleet of 30 or so of them. The field of view is narrow. NV performance is better than the RMR but not by much. Glass is the most clear and least distorted of any handgun optic I’ve seen. Almost no noticeable parallax at 25 yards. During my initial RDS transition course we had 12 units each going through approximately 1000 rounds. We had five failures. One went completely out the other four would flicker off and on with each shot. Battery changes, tightening the compartment cap, nothing fixed this they had to be sent back. I personally shattered the rear glass on my P2 during a transition from an awkward position. The rear glass struck the magazine from my rifle and completely shattered. The dot was still functional and zeroed however. One unit had unusually low battery life. Requiring a battery change approximately every other month. The setting was high, but none of the other optics required it be changed this frequently. The brightness adjustments being hard to use has left the SOP to be leaving it all the way up then down one as there isn’t a quick way to scale it up if the situation demands. These are the observations after a year of moderate use.
that is something I wanted to mention, but didn't because it's not my experience.
But in the competition circle on handguns, these things are getting destroyed. They are not great handgun dots
@@BrassFacts Is that from your personal experience, or is there somewhere I can read about all this? I like how the SRO looks, for example, but it can't be nearly as durable as this or an RMR.
the poncho + mp9 combo is such a vibe
My buddy's P2 fogged up inside. Aimpoint covered it but not something you'd expect out of a $600 optic.
I have seen the same issue with some holosun 509 optics (more often than aimpoint). Seems like smaller closed emitter dots still have some growing pains.
I mean dude they replaced it, no company is perfect, what else do you think they should have done?
Made in China, no optic mfg doesn't use Shenzhen housings
For $600, there should be any QC issues. We are not talking about $100 - $200 optic. Plus, it is a red dot. Probably the simplest of all optics to manufacture or so you’d think.
Looking forward to the comparison video.
I appreciate the no bullshittin. One of my favorite channels fs
Yo just found your page. Killer raw and realistic review. Keep it up man!
BF, your night vision view is PRICELESS. Thank you so much, buy things so we dont have to.
Also, Gibbers says you need a Hydra to get that chin up over the folder.. thanks for not.
time to buy a 500 dollar piece of aluminum
I’ve been waiting for a solid review on these for so long and im glad I never bought one. I’ve been playing with optics on my ap5p and ghm9 to see what works best. I think I’ve settled on a vortex viper and a PA prism respectively. Best reviews on the net easily bro keep it up
Once I heard you are doing a review of all box optics, sub
Appreciate your honest reviews
Good call on moving to the Eotech for the TP9. I love the Eotech on my TP9 for NVG use.
Your most welcome! Which thank you reviewing despite the hype and justtt say it was worth it or not and I do agree with your sentaments on hype.
I like the reality check for optic within the perspective of preparations
I can't wait for that showdown. Best mailbox for the money!
Thanks bro for the good info as always.
I'm really enjoying mine the most for conceal carry, much more than the RMR (although I really like the RMR). A seemingly innocuous but persistent issue with CC is lint. I hated my Holosun 507c's deep lens which made it a bitch to get the lint out. The Holosun 509 sits way too tall for my taste because of the adapter plate. I liked my RMR a lot because it was easier to wipe it out but the annoying part is the factory timer to reset the brightness back to auto adjust after like 8 hours. It is also nice knowing the tanky reputation of the RMR and that my optic won't fail or crack easily. Enter the P2: it's low profile in comparison to the 509, the battery life is significantly better than the competition, I can leave it on my preferred brightness at all times and the window is taller. It's pretty close to perfect for me on a handgun. My optic hasn't shown any failure after roughly 1000+ 9mm.
I back ordered one about a month ago from EuroOptic, I reached out to Aimpoint to get an ETA and they stated they get a new shipment in every Tuesday from Sweden but all units are allocated to the insane list of back orders. Aimpoint is making money hand over fit with these things being back ordered for months!
Great review, thanks man.
I have one of these piggybacked on my Spitfire gen 2 5x. Its a freakin kickass setup, love the Acro p2!
I'll take overpriced optics for $600, Alex.
I’ll take too poor for Aimpoint for $200 Alex
@@fury556 I can't even find it for $600. Used ones are usually around 700. And FDE is 800. Too much for an optic with barely anything to offer over an AEMS or EXPS3. Unless pistol mounted. Then RMR all day
@@fury556 Meh it is a mediocre optic with aimpoint prices. Unfortunately there isn't an amazing closed emitter micro dot yet.
$1, Bob
I got mine for 499 lmao. Money well spent
commenting for the algorithm. Good vid (the gun-related content was okay but the dog clips were top notch). Looking forward to the mailbox opic showdown.
Great analysis as always
I just show up because you're left handed. Great vid man
Looking forward to the showdown!
Appreciate your honesty 👍
On the topic of enclosed emitter CC dots. I really like my EPS carry and it doesn't add much weight or bulk.
Cool setup I think i would also switch to eotech for that. I think I know some of those mountains.
First I was like "microwave hii! !" then I was like "💀"
Random question, where’d you get that Pancho from? I’ve been wanting to buy one for a while
Excited for the Mailbox Red dot showdown!!! If you can, throw an EPS into the mix, as supposedly it has some improvements over the 509T. If mine come soon, you can borrow one.
yeah fuck it why not. I want to take this kraken off of my pistol. I can't handle it any longer.
It'll be great, I'll borrow it for another 2- 3 years and give it back to you Shot 2025.
@@BrassFacts 😂🤣😂 Deal! I am interested to hear about the Kraken.
@@BenfromFlux it's fine for what it is.
It's just so, fucking, big.
@@BrassFacts I thought you liked it that way... 😂
@@BrassFacts it took around a hundred rounds each to break two Krakens, hopefully you've not had the same luck.
@brassfacts I own a Acro p2 and considering buying a leap/03 1.57 mount how's the performance on a rifle?
Seiko Alpinist > ACRO P2
Looking forward to the red dot showdown. I’m wondering what the best move is here for a piggybacked sighting system on a rifle
So what closed emitter rds should I get
"It's the best option."
Yep
Happy Nova is happy. Doing a snow. Very excite.
Ive seen this gun in two of their videos but i don't know if theyve mentioned what it is in the description.
I dont particularly care if other people over or under hype something, I care if its good. That's why I dont trade stocks.
But I just couldn't find one so I bought 2 Stiener MPSs, one for my APX and one to piggyback on my AR in the future. Currently the second one is on my Maxim9, but that gun's a pricy toy so it'll get a different dot later.
Always been wondering about this. A lot of Police Departments near me and Sheriffs offices are switching to this on their pistols so I've never been able to really find them at a decent price.
Tax dollars at work 🤣
I've used a P2 in Law Enforcement now. Two died mid shift on fresh batteries.
@@wardengage4173maybe the batteries?
The dog defnitely thinks you're the ATF.
Ready for the mailbox showdown!!
Is the vortex spitfire with the docter cut + this the lightweight hack we have been hoping for?
Mail box optics, shipping high velocity lead in rain, sleet, or snow
This is the type of optic you throw on your single duty gun that you want to survive anything. It's not something you should put on a CCW or other random handgun you have. Same with the T2 on your single rifle for SHTF
On the TP9, why does the trigger have a protrusion at the front of the trigger guard when the trigger is pulled? Is it to help with resetting the trigger if stuck?
loving that Seiko alpinist!
Is it over hyped? Sure. But it’s also much better than other closed emitter pistol dots imo. The clarity and distortion on this are worlds better than my 507Ks.
Wrong
Is it wort....NO! DEAD from chuckles. And that willingness to be honest like that is why we keep coming back
Keep em coming!
as long as YT lets me. I have a unity video that's been in limbo for 1mo
@@BrassFacts ooooof - gotta love that big brother google!
I am glad for this review at least saying its a money thing. It becomes obvious- if you care about the money its not worth it. If money isnt an object its a little better but dont get too over inflated you're still going to get taken out of the chat by a guy with a hellcat from behind a parked Saturn Vue so careful who you piss off- In the end its a good review that talks about ACTUAL use and real world experience. Thanks man.
hey what jacket are you wearing in these clips?
Cool video. Earned a sub!
I may not be interested in the products you review, but God damnit if I can't say no to that buttery smooth voice of yours.
How are you recording thorough the nv?
Really excited for the showdown debating getting an mps Becuase I get a pretty substantial discount on them and can’t decide if it’s the move.
I have two MPSs (I wanted an ACRO P2, couldn't find one, the normal stuff) and I like them.
I dont have NV, and I run it on an APX currently with the plan to run one piggybacked on a scope but havent yet (reptilia makes an ARCO and RMR top ring for their scope mounts)
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz do you like them sofar any issues?
Just get the aim point. But once cry once. If the MPS had the same options as ACRO it might be worth it but it’s not.
Short of it is:
Generally really good, and especially good with the new discount price.
Really bad under NV despite the fact that it's got a chungus of a window.
Overall my current favorite.
I'm just here for Nova. Keep up the good work.
Babe wake up Brass Facts just posted!!
where'd you get that badass poncho?
Thanks for the review. I’m considering a p2 for my ak as a primary red dot. Still on the fence.
I've been running a Gen 2 509T on top of my Glock 20 here in the PNW since they came out without a single issue... Ever. I fail to see what any more amount of money spent would get me at this point.
Livestream with Hop got nuked. I’m still curious about your thoughts on the Eotech OGL.
What did you mean at 0:46 when you said that aimpoint admitted the P2 was "hot garbage"? Did you mean to say P1?
correct. whoops.
The best feature Ive seen of this is you got one.
after getting destroyed on tacswap.
@@BrassFacts dear god no
im not that desperate and ive paid for a hooker
P2 is great. If you want the best, you get the p2. It’s not our fault that pistol dots are not as good as full sized dots like t2. Even on a lpvo, t2 makes more sense. P2’s only place is on pistols, and talking about nv performance on a pistol is just not fair. I personally dont think price should be a factor when you are talking about performance. It only applies when something cheaper out performs something more expensive. But that is rarely the case. On something like the mp9, t2 or eotech makes more sense. Also you use your active laser 80% of the time anyway under nv. P2 is a nice pistol dot
Agree wanted a review on its performance on a handgun. Have t2’s for rifles
2:02 "But I'm pretty sure the concept of 'bigger buttons' isn't copyrighted. Right?"
You underestimate the power of the tribe.
Any status update on the enclosed optic showdown video? I'm curious on your opinions of the swampfox kraken
video soon, but mine broke
@@BrassFacts Agony, I dropped the money on one to test it out. It's been fine so far but I've only got like 300 rounds with it. Excited to see your review.
I ve learned to watch the last minute first. Then I watch the whole video, just to watch the last minute again.
what sling are you using?
I kind of thought that using a plate with this might be a little more acceptable, because you're at least avoiding the shorter optic-to-plate screws?
It is. The Acro’s clamp design is miles ahead of the RMR. Almost like a mini pic rail for mounting and that’s an extremely proven system
Hooded poncho LARP is the new meta
Stupid question, not related to the subject, what is the genre/term for the lonesome style of western background music?
What gun are shooting in the video
Dude that poncho 👌
specs on tactical poncho pls
P2 is my favorite Periphery album. +1 for Al Gore's rhythm.
The Chad Wik: AcroAcog - carry handle mounted ACOG, with a ACRO mounted to exact co-witness directly aft.
Wasn't going to get one but now I am. 😂
Trijicon having a patent on the left/right side buttons is kind of insane and reduces the usability of other red dots made for pistols. I think they can really only make them so big/functional when they're both on the same side. Really nothing beats the Trijicon style of buttons, especially with some improvements they made with the RMR HD and RCR.
Mine lives on a 10mm in my nightstand locker. I wish the opening was larger for how big the device is.
Not here for the review, just the dog. And I am happy! Nova playing in da snow!!
It just so happens that I just bought a P2 as an offset dot on my AR lol
The shot at 3:13 of the two of you is really cool
This is just proving that I should just buy a Steiner MPS.
They’ve got worse battery life, probably not as bad as the Acro p1 but definitely not as good as a 2032 battery powered dot
@@kylehouge9690 clearer glass and thinner bezels, plus battery life is at least a year anyway.
I cant speak to one vs the other, but i have two MPSs and I like them. Theyre slightly taller than an ACRO I believe, if it isn't it sure feels it because the battery mounts up top, but its not too tall to hurt anything.
I did this myself. Just need the time to actually zero it.
I can’t wait for the kraken review
Quality stuff
Where is your poncho from?
Do you plan on testing the holosun EPS?
yeh
I just saw the goofiest thing, Holosun's LE420 giga-size all-in-one Light/LAM comes with a mounting plate that lets you stack a T2 on top of it. It's not even mentioned on their website. But in a "hindsight's 20/20" line of thought, that might be the end-all, be-all solution for mounting IR and an optic to a tiny PDW.