Holosun EPS (full size) vs 509T
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2023
- The Holosun EPS full size is arguably the best pistol red dot in Holosun's catalog, if you've got a slide that's actually cut for it. Like the EPS Carry, the EPS full size direct mounts to the Holosun K optics cut, despite being much larger. There are vanishingly few full size handguns that are factory cut with the Holosun K cut, at least so far.
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The best part of having a red dot sight on your pistol is pointing it at the sky next to the sunset and pretending the dot is a second sun and you are Luke Skywalker on Tatooine.
Nerd
Can confirm I do this too 😅
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!
Go to bed, James Reeves, you're drunk.
I mean, you’re not *wrong* just very odd
Im convinced that Hops hatred of solar cells is solely based on his fear of the sun considering he lives in the PNW
Vampire confirmed?
Those micro red dots work great with 1911/2011s and their narrow slides.
The Platypus has the option for a factory RMSc/Holosun K slide cut.
Bingo
Would work good and any gun with a single stack magazine.
My dream gun
Yep, I have one of these on my Platypus. I'd love to see Hop try one of them out.
@@shinobi-no-bueno You should absolutely get one. I love mine.
The EPS is my first pistol mounted dot. I feel like I made the right decision.
The Vulcan ACSS reticle is the right decision. Anything else is an old-school red dot... even if they're green.
@@workingguy6666ok doomer
@@workingguy6666 I just like the vulcan because I really like chevrons. You grow out of the ring thing super quick if you do some dry fires after work. Wish it was a second reticle you could aim with like a 2moa dot.
@@workingguy6666I wish they made an EPS with that reticle but they said they don't have plans to, unfortunately
@@workingguy6666the Vulcan reticle has so much emitting to make that ring, that it interferes in many types of lighting conditions, just like the 32 moa ring does.
And it’s for noobs
I love my EPS. It's miles easier to clean than a closed emitter when carrying concealed. Lint builds up much easier when I carry an open emitter. It's survived my M&P 10MM 4" so far with no issues. The Eotech EFLX did not survive on that gun. It lost zero after a couple of range trips and when I dropped the slide by mistake the emitter broke and lost zero forever. Got a replacement from Eotech, sold it, bought the EPS and never looked back.
I put the 407k on my 4.6 2.0 10mm and it’s doing great. Plus it doesn’t stick out at all when carrying it. Sometimes the bigger optics push your shirt out. I don’t find it any hard to draw and find the dot.
It's insane how trash those EFLXs seem to be, from what you've posted to glass literally falling out of the housing.
@@EDVERSiTY Yeah.... Sage Dynamic's testing on the EFLX showed me it wasn't an isolated issue. One of the staff at the gun range I frequent talked about having the EXACT same issues as I did with one on his Staccato.
@@EDVERSiTY Sage Dynamic's review substantiated everything I just said too. America still cannot make a good red dot. I love everything about the EFLX (exept for the buttons) it just does not work and will break if it's on anything other than a safe queen.
Good to hear, Just bought one for my fk BRNO.
I think using the same K footprint on both the EPS and EPS Carry means we could be one step closer to a universal optic footprint. Standardization takes some time, but once all red dots mount using the same footprint, all handguns come with K cut slides and everyone will run a red dot on their pistol.
For anyone wondering the eps will fit on a staccato c2 with there Dawson Eps carry plate and screws from calculated kinetics which are longer.
the only purpose for the 509t seems to be that there's more adapters for it to mount to rifles than the k cut.
I suspect that will change fairly soon.
Brass boi
It's also a titanium housing which should be more durable.
Unless they make an EPS-T then it'll certainly be obsolete
You shouldn’t be mounting pistol red dots to rifles anyways with the insane parallax problems
If they’re virtually the same, why not just stick with the RMR pattern 509t?
@@HariboStarman The 509T is not RMR pattern. It includes a heavy, thick, RMR pattern adapter plate for the 509T to clamp to.
Why he eepy S
Him a growin' boy
How is this comment a week old when the video came out 10 mins ago??
@@tonywentoutsideearly access
the holosun is very tired. he is eepy. the holosun has had a very long day of plinking targets and wants to take just a small sleep. he eeby and neebies to sleebie. holosun sleepy and need bed by time. the holosun is currently experiencing critical levels of being a sleehjy little guy and needs to go to beb. he is vertired and needs to slep. just a little sleejing time as a treat. holosub neebs to slek for twired boyo. just a lil guy. holosupaleebeelee needs his beaty sleep. look at him go! he yawn bib cause he skeegy. neebs to falafel asleep. ni ni time. goodnight, mr holosun.
Bruh
3:15 omg you two are wearing matching shirts! how cute! lol
The Canik METE SFx and SFT both are full sized pistols with the RMSCC footprint
Canik is direct cut for the K pattern . Screws straight into the slide just uses a polymer spacer . I run an EPS on my Canik Mete SF . The window is the same size as the 407C and 507C but with the benefits of a lower deck height , enclosed emmiter and smaller footprint .
Where do you get the polymer spacer?
Hop is like the Datto of the gun world
Ah a Destiny 2 player, have you completed this week's GM?
rare blue quality glocks
Holosun please release an RMR cut enclosed optic (preferably with the vulcan reticle)
I just had one mounted to the top of a LPVO as a passive dot, via welding the included plate to the top of a scope ring. Works well so far
509T on my razor, EPS on my duty pistol 👍
Welding the plate to a scope ring is smart as hell lmao. Sure beats expensive proprietary shit
@@sikaaaa just have to know a good aluminum welding guy lol
@@andersalbertsson215 Meet my friend J.B.
Glad to see you went with the Shadow Systems MR920. That has been one of the best pistols I have ever owned/shot/carried.
Same I love mine and also have an eps on it. Great combo
He has had it for a bit.
@@ladder81capt79 He literally says in the video
@@cornfedchris58 does it fit without a plate?
FWIW, a 509T wacked onto Glock MOS actually sits VERY low because the plate is quite thin as a result of where the MOS screws are located.
The same is NOT true when putting a 509T onto a RMR cut with an adapter.
Thanks Hop for the comparisons 👍
I was an early adopter of the 509-T and I like it but when I finally got around to getting the EPS green 6 MOA mounted on my Shadow Systems MR920 with the SS shim plate I fell in love with it! It is a major step in the right direction.
The EPS optics also works out well for Staccatos as they only need an adapter plate and use the existing holes. If you’re going to mount a full-size EPS to a Staccato you will need to source the screws separately as the full-size EPS doesn’t come with the correct screws (407k/507k screws will work, or Calculated Kinetics sells screws that work).
I run a full size EPS on a Shadow 2, USPSA Carry Optics gun and have a dovetailed Glock rear suppressor sight that co-witnesses with the stock Dawson Precision front sight. This setup is an absolutely a perfect match... I would run this optic on all of my pistols if I could...
The EPS is a great step forward for Enclosed pistol dots. I look forward to seeing what other companies can do following in Holosuns footsteps (if they even try that is)
The EPS and EPS Carry screw holes line up perfectly with a Delta Point Pro cut. Similar to what you mentioned near the end. All you need is a filler plate. I run a EPS carry on my Sig P320 that was cut for a deltapoint pro. Been running 507k on it for a year before I upgraded. No issues.
What plate did you end up going with? I can only find the CHPWS slide plate, and they're out of stock everywhere!
@@ArduousPunyep, I'm having the same problem. Out of stock.... but if your p320 is like mine, where the rear sight comes off with the slide cover plate. You can get the chps plate with integrated rear sight. Those are in stock but they are like 125 bucks. But that's my only option since the filler plates are NEVER in stock...
Now this is some news I can use! How much of a gap is there and what did you use to fill it?
What company makes these filler plates?
@@djp279 CHPWS
I really like the EPS carry Mrs. It makes my M&p 5.7 perfect for IWB carry. The circle is training wheels for finding your dot on a fast draw
I love the solar panels, it’s a nice backup providing there’s daylight but also the auto adjustment. But that’s me. Nice vid Hop 🤘🏻
100% agreed on everything stated. I'm going to try this as a piggyback alternative also.
Been eyeballing putting an EPS on my mr920 as well and also glad there’s already a cheap shim kit for it.
I just got a EPS full size for my G45 and frikin love it
I actually chose to put the full size eps on my 365xl. Without the raised irons and without the backup irons on the optic, you can see the top half of the irons through it. The bigger window is nice, and the overhang lines up with where my holster covers it.
Got a G45 milled for the EPS, really like it so far. Got them both for a great deal.
I have a full-size EPS mounted to both a Walther PDP and a Glock 19 MOS using CHPWS plates. I haven’t had issues with either and I have carried both.
Love me EPS so far 😀
I run an EPS on an M&P 2.0 compact. Great edc setup
Got this on my G26, love it
Ive got one on a 5.74" Mete SFX Pro, and the sight is perfect for a full size gun. Absolutely perfect. It sits on the plastic spacer that comes with the gun. Does not obscure the irons in any way or fashion.
Why did you need the spacer? I thought the mete could mount k cut optics directly. Am i mistaken? I ask because i was considering an eps full-size for my mete pro as well. I'm currently running a 407c with adapter plate and I'd like to eliminate the plate.
@@Lucas12v the screws go down through the spacer and into the slide but the spacer provides the locating studs
@@Tslamable makes sense. Thanks
@@Lucas12v the spacer is for the front and back of the shorter K style sights. There's a second spacer that lets a different footprint with a longer sight front to back mount as well. The spacer is thin polymer, and the iron sights sit well above even the 407K I had in it before.
They mill the slide pretty low, so most screws would be too long. With the right screws you can mount it without the spacer, but you'd have like 80 thou of empty space between the front and back of the sight.
I'd be very interested in a Primary Arms Version of this with the ACSS reticle. If the 509t was good with it, this should be even better.
The choice is: Vulcan ACSS, or optics from the stone-age; I agree.
If you dry fire enough, practice on your draw and presenting the gun right, the dot will always be there
@@workingguy6666 They need to do the segmented circle on a full size optic. It's just an upgrade.
@@awokeone7997 In a life or death situation, you may not always be able to have perfect presentation. The wide circle makes you better prepared for contingencies like awkward shooting positions or even weak hand shooting.
@argonzificationd.1531 honestly, if you're in a life and death situation, either one might not help if you don't train or have LEO/Military experience where you have been in shoot outs. Benefits of it, is if you compete in the tactical/sporting shooting games
I went from an RMR06 to an EPS MRS on my staccato P. Effective window size is better and closed emitter. No complaints.
Nice pistol, got to shoot one a while ago and it was the best shooting "glock" pistol I had ever shot. Smooth recoil and slide, very easy to keep on target.
Stellar optics mounting design
I am running a 407k on my Arex Delta M, this thought process makes a lot of sense honestly
I'm a big fan of the solar panel in combo with a smaller battery I hope they start doing that on other optics
The guys at Shadow Systems and Mossberg owe you lunch. In part to your reviews I picked up a Foundation Series MR920 and DR920, both running the EPS 2 MOA, and a MC2SC with the EPS Carry 2 MOA. QVO Tactical has recently released a decent AIWB holster for the MC2SC. Solid 6/10.
Glock 45, slide was cut for EXPS Carry. ≈300rds with it, ≈50 while using Nods. The four NV settings are different enough to work in most conditions ie outsode low light, to inside with a surefire X300V illuminator
Love how I watch these videos with great interest knowing I will never see or use a gun let alone a pistol optic xd
I modified my 43x MOS to allow the EPS Carry to direct mount. It’s pretty damn awesome
I've got one on my PSA Rock and its great. Its the only full sized gun I'm aware of that has a direct cut for the K series.
Shadow Systems are cut for the K & RMR.
This video is very information dense. Nice work
I love Holosun optics.
Since the EPS shares the same front boss and screw pattern of the DPP, it can be easily mounted to anything with a DPP cut (and if it has the rear post(s), you can just cut it down like the G43x/48). It can direct fit to the FN509 pattern, but the suppressor height sights make it not really worth doing. Especially with the SCS-320 coming out supposedly in the next couple weeks (according to a holosun employee).
Dude this is wild. Just got MY Mr920 k-cut
When is the ACSS Vulcan version coming out? 😉
I only like acss Vulcan dots now
I have an EPS full on my PDP Pro Compact & ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT!!! I got the 6 MOA green dot due to my astigmatism & its worked out PERFECTLY.
I have a PDP Pro SD and the Walther specific Holosun SCS coming in this week. Should be awesome!
Thank you you answered all my quickly!
The Canik Mete SFT/SFX are full size pistols with micro footprints. The EPS looks good on them.
EPS works great on a shadow 2, 1,000 rounds so far (direct mount - Cajun gun works optic cut).
I also have two EPS carry optics on shield plus pistols with around 5,000 rounds through them. All have worked flawlessly. Need the adapter plate on the Shield plus pistol but you can still see the top half of your back up iron sights.
The only issue I had with the EPS carry is the battery died quickly. I went ahead and replaced it for $10, no issues since and I’ve left it on for months.
I used my last p permit to get a dagger for no reason and the day after palmetto had a dank sale on shadow 2
@@lililililililili8667 it’s my favorite pistol, immediately. Such a value to at $900 in your hands if you shop around. Plus $150 for the optics cut, cheaper than their optics ready one. It cut my groups in half at 25 yards, easily. I’m spoiled now. Other than some $3000+ guns I’ve shot that friends have that are more temperamental (2011’s), it’s the easiest gun to shoot. I own many handguns and I couldn’t recommend the shadow 2 more.
The Mossberg 940 is cut for a RMSC/Holosun k and would pair perfectly with an EPS
Have both the eps and eps carry since they released. Had both slides cut for the k pattern for direct mount goodness. They have been outstanding. Wouldn't consider another pistol RDS at this point.
I agree. At this point the only RDS I would get over it for a pistol would be the RMR if for some reason I wanted an option that was proven to be bomb proof. That being said…. I haven’t seen anyone do drop tests for the EPS so I can’t say they won’t do well in those too.
I've got several Holosun 507 C models, a 507k, and an EPS. The glass clarity and dot crispness on the EPS are much better than the other models. All my 507 sights are side-load battery, not early versions.
At this point I think the 507 sights better for secondary sights on scoped carbines, but I'm not going to spend the $$ to swap them all over.
@@seanoneil277 yea that sounds about normal. Like if you already have other decent Red dot sights it’s not really worth switching em all over. But every pistol red dot I get from now on will be probably the EPS unless I need another dot for any specific reason
It's worth noting that S&W latest pistol, the M&P 5.7, has an optic ready slide that will direct connect to the Holosun K or EPS series red dots. The irony is that they don't provide the correct screws for the Holosun optics. Looks like Holosun is becoming the most popular red dot option considering their value proposition of delivering performance over price.
Same case with the PSA Rock 5.7. But the screws that came with my EPS carry worked for direct mounting it.
Thank you for the video! MY MAN! :)
Great comparison!
I just had a Holosun EPS carry put on my Glock 43x MOS because it was at my FFL gun store. I'm gonna put it through a reliability test this weekend. I put 3 to 5 hundred rounds through my conceal carry handguns before I start to carry it. I figure if something is gonna 💩 the bed it'll be at the range. Better there than a real situation.
"I'm not at the point where I would run out and get my Glock 19 slide milled for the Holosun K, just so I could use an EPS"
Haha, I just bought a stripped Glock 19 slide and sent it to Wager Machine for exactly this purpose.
I'm curious why you think solar powered is bullshit. Because I only use red dots for range toys, not carry I haven't seen a drawback to solar, in fact even Oregon's sometimes not-so-bright daylight I've run one of those solar optics without a battery in it at all.
All this time I thought the full size EPS was a direct RMR mount.
Edit: Sig has moved the optics cut farther forward on the 365x and XL models now, allowing the rear sight to stay in place. They also have suppressor heigh sights available, but only with the craptacular RomeoZero Elite pre-installed.
I use the full size EPS on a Glock 48. I like the extra window size on a carry gun.
The 509T doesn't need an adapter plate if you just get a dedicated slide; which makes it bomb proof also. I have one and it's great. I have a 508T also on a G35 RMR cut.. but if I get another one --- it will definitely be the 509T again, with another dedicated slide. I love it. (if not the EPS; I'm sold on it too).
I just sent my Glock slide to Wager for a 509T cut. I can't wait to see how it turned out.
@@shroey20 I think it's the best duty setup out there now. No small screws stripping out or coming loose.
Glock 19 slide is the same width as eps carry. I had jagerwerks cut my oem slide. I love the combo.
Gotta love shadow Systems!
The RMRcc died because it was late to the game with a bullshit footprint that no gun had and it cost double that of its competition. I don’t think people have caught on yet that Trijicon is just hawking decades old tech, that lacks any modern feature, at cutting edge prices.
EPS carry is great none of the other enclosed options seem as nice. My 507 comp just came and I'm going to put it on my p365 baby edition just to be a silly goose with an optic that is almost 2x wider than the slide.
Its been on my G3 Taurus for a long ass time, partly because my Glock 45 came with a zev slide, but partly because it goes hard on it
Nevermind, Staccato stole it
Watching a giraffe run is the part of the nature documentary where my brain goes quiet and my eyes barely believe nature made it somehow work.
I don't own a gun but I just wanted to comment and say I'm glad I found your channel(s) twice - first for Mechwarrior and again for gun stuff
I love the clarity of the eps...theres no fish eye compared to the RMR/507
Sold all my 509T's for the EPS series. MY CZ's that were milled for rmr footprint and lost the rear irons gets the carry model for the notches. The adapter plate for the 509 is only a bit more than 1oz but feels like a brick when you hold it side by side to an EPS.
EPS comes with RMR to RMRcc adapter plate and cowitnesses with suppressor height sights (same height as a 507c when used with the plate). The EPS carry model DOES NOT come with RMR to RMRcc plate and comes with only a RMRCC plate.
Just ordered a EPS carry Green 6moa from optics planet during their red dot sale. 12% off and free shipping.
This will be my first pistol dot and it's going on my daily driver SIG P365XL Spectre Comp
I like the circle dots. It’s a bigger target on these tiny windows.
Just crank the brightness till it looks big like a chad
They have full size pistols with this pattern, it's the same pattern for the shield RMS series optics. May just need slight modification on the lugs
The Sig X Full has a footprint from the factory that fits a "K" cut without a plate.
the PSA Rock 5.7 direct mounts the Holosun K sights. I have a EPS Carry installed on mine.
the SW mp57 uses the same footprint if I remember right, it's got a full size slide and a g19 esque frame
I like the circle dot and always like when I can have a circle by itself as well. Maybe that comes from being used to the AUG donut.
I’m just bad with finding the dot because I suck, so the murder circle helps
I got brave and had my Archon Type b cut for the ESP carry
It just makes me happy seeing other lefties shooting. There's like...6 of us total in the world LOL. Also I've dropped my EPS carry mounted on a 365 XL on driveaway asphalt once with no issues besides the paint slightly chipping on the holosun logo from the top, for anyone wondering about the durability.
Left handed people are an absolute abomination 😁
well pretty good for you and lots of nice shooting footage.
But the solar panel feature is pretty nice. I have it set for very low for indoor use and when I go outside to the range I've never had to change it. It is exactly where it needs to be brightness level when I go outside so I think it's a great feature.
Review the C&H precision duty red dot. It looks like an ACRO and uses the ACRO footprint but has the reticle options and shake awake of a Holosun for like $320 or something.
Just bought my 2nd eps, great on my g19 and now g29 is getting one
I got my EPS and EPS Carry in Oct 2022. Just been too busy to make videos on them.
I run the EPS (non carry) with a DPP Titanium adapter plate on my G17 Gen5 MOS. It’s an excellent combo
A great very interesting video.
The Canik Mete series is all small-footprint optics ready - even the larger versions.
Pretty sure the factory cut on the canik mete pistols is for the holosun K footprint because the canik optic uses the same footprint so the EPS should work on those. They’re also awesome pistols I recommend anyone try out
Yep, have an EPS carry on my mete MC9
Yes I have the EPS mounted on my Canik Mete SFX and I love it.
@@michaelbernier7703 nice, I wanna get the 6MOA version for my rival
Just swapped my 507k out with the EPS on xmacro I carry everywhere and couldn’t be happier with the change. Sure I have some overhang of the optic on either side of the gun due to the larger optic but I honestly couldn’t care less. Larger window, closed emitter so it checked all the boxes on what I didn’t care for on the 507k. Great optic so far, time will determine if my opinion changes.
Did you have to get a different mounting plate from the 507k or did the screws line up?
No plate, they both work on the 507k footprint.
Whoa, an optic for the Canik Mete series.
Acro p2 is awesome
Enjoy the presentation style, no bullshit just facts 😂😂😂
I know this is really weird but before these dots came out I had an rmr to 507k plate from chpw. Think I'm one of only two people in the world who bought one of them if I'm being honest. Was glad I had a solid plate when these came out though.
I got the full size by accident, it fits decently on my Canik elite sc because the slide is a bit thick and has the rms shield cut.
One-handed shooting footage a first for this channel.
The EPS and EPS carry can be thrown on a DPP cut. The holes like up. just needs a filler plate