Do NOT buy the Seiko Presage!! (Here's why)
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- Опубліковано 12 сер 2023
- In this video we go over why the seiko presage is a BLOODY SCAM
Being one of the most famous budget watches in terms of dress watches, its pretty hyped up.
However after handling quite a few i actually think theyre very overrated, overpriced and overhyped
seiko presage is a cam.
Seiko presage cocktail
Seiko
Automatic movement
Orient Bambino is superior
Microbrand watches are too
Affordable microbrand dress watches
Cartier tank, cartier santos, jaeger lecoultre reverso, and 99% of other dress watches make this look like a kids toy but even in the budget range its still a bit of bollucks
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Buying my Presage was purely a 100% emotional decision. You are right: It IS overpriced and you COULD get a far better watch for the price. Yes, microbrands DO offer superior quality for lower prices. But the thing is - at the end of the day, it's still a Seiko. Simple as that. Talk about paying $1,200 on an Apple iPhone, when $400 will get you better features and a superior camera in the Android world. If we follow the argument of "this watch is overpriced for what you get", almost every major swiss luxury watch brand will fall into that category. Hell, why even bother buying a mechanical watch, when even your microwave could tell the time more accurately?? It's not always about rationality and value for money - especially not in the watch world!!
100% agree. Anyone that complains about accuracy on mechanical watch just doesn't get it. And you're right, regardless of the technical prowess of a pressage, it's still a Seiko and just as respected as any swiss watch brand. I've gotten compliments on my green dial cocktail time from dudes wearing Royal Oaks, Daytonas, and JLC's... For the money, you just can't beat it.
It depends on who you ask but for me a brand isn’t why you get a watch, as I said getting a watch is up to you and the main thing is that it’s a watch you like and if you like the presage that’s great for you!
It’s just annoying that brands like that seiko that have so much money and expertise go out of their way to cheap out on their watches when micro brands with not even 1% of the resources are producing better watches for less money
Non! He doesn't even understand that Hardlex isn't ordinary tempered glass, it's what Gorilla Glass is, a special critical glass developed for optics and it's even nearly as reflective as sapphire, and you can tell the difference because it's chemically different. He's just a no nothing ditz!
@@WatchConnoisseurClubMineral crystal is more shatter resistance Citizen and Seiko using it on their entry level sports watches it is acceptable to me
I Guess many Brands Will squeeze a big Margins from one of their watch (low cost prod, high price), may be Presage is one of them, and when some one realize it, Seiko should make an improvement, Cause it is a Seiko
You’re right it’s not great.
…It’s freaking spectacular.
Lolll, to be fair if you can get it grey market for more like $200 it’s an awesome watch, but at full retail price? It’s pretty bad
@@WatchConnoisseurClubbe honest, affordable swiss watches designs are subpar compare to seiko. mido, rado, glycine, tissot, you name it
and microbrand only good on specs on paper, trust me, i've been there,
i used to think my san martin watch is great, great specs, saphhire, ceramic bezel, great finishing. but you know what? after 5 years the indices fall apart, the paint on the hands are pelled off.
the other hand, my 7 years old seiko 5 still like new, dial, hands, case, are still crisp, only minor scratch on hardlex crystal, that u can change for sapphire for $30, but i can't change the dial and hands in san martin.
90 % microbrand are made on china, same factory with chinese brand.
I do agree with the lack of a sapphire crystal. I think it's extremely lame that Seiko puts a mineral crystal on these, but I don't think any of your other arguments are justified.
The movement is fine and accuracy on an automatic watch is highly overrated and everyone knows Seiko movements are far more accurate than the official stats claim. If accuracy is that important to you, buy a quartz watch.
50m water resistance? How is that a problem on a dress watch? Hell, even the Hamilton Khaki Field is only 50m, and it's supposed to get wet! You'll be able to wash your hands and get caught in a rain storm without any issues. Not a valid argument for a dress watch.
The strap: I own the green dial cocktail time with the leather deployment strap and I honestly don't know why everyone hates on it so much. I find it to be incredibly comfortable, durable and it looks great too... I just don't understand. Ok, maybe it's not Horween Shell Cordovan, but it's honestly a great strap and doesn't get the love it deserves. Can't speak to the bracelet as mine only came with the leather strap, but I do think you might have a valid argument there.
The finishing: You claim the finishing is terrible, but I can't see a single defect or fleck of dust on mine. It looks flawless. Now I'm also not looking at it under a professional macro lens or jewelers loop... But neither is anyone else, so why would I care? It's a $300 Seiko, no one is putting that thing under a microscope .
All I can say is that the dial on the cocktail time is simply beautiful. When the light hits the dial and indices... My god it's one of the best looking watches out there, especially the green dial with the gold seconds hand on that leather strap... MmmMm. Makes me smile every time I glance at it.
I will admit that I almost didn't pull the trigger on my cocktail time because of the mineral crystal, but I'm glad I did and it's my favorite watch. That being said, I got mine on sale for $300, so well below full retail. I may end up putting a sapphire crystal on it, you can get one for $99 which would put it back up close to the full retail price, but we'll see.
All I can say is that love my cocktail time and I think the beauty of the dial more than makes up for the lack of a sapphire crystal. Show me a watch with a better looking dial for less than $1,000.
These are all valid and interesting point my friend!
Thing is for me I’ve seen a handful in pertain and they’ve run an average of around 20 or so seconds a day with a few at 6 a day and a few at 50 a day, thing is the worst part about cheaper seikos these days is the abhorrent quality control, you just got lucky you got a good one!
Also the finishing is only just passable, very basic and industry standard but when you look up close much more irregularities and issues than other watches in the same price range
Also the dials can look nice and they are up there for the money, but the dials being the only part that are good value just isn’t enough in my opinion
End of the day most important thing is to get a watch you live, and not listen to anyone telling you it’s bad me included
(Also second hand or below retail the presage isn’t all too bad)
@@WatchConnoisseurClub With accuracy that bad, you have been extremely unfortunate and very rare! and I have known seiko owners for all my life so have handle on expections, I would call any watch that inaccurate a faulty unit and sent it back to the Company to be put right or replacement. The other thing to consider is, are these watches exposed to strong magnets through work or music studios etc... if so the simple answer is do buy a cheap de magnetisor, or get a Casio for those occasions.
Seiko designs beautiful watches and then ruins them by cutting corners with materials, manufacturing them with poor quality control, and then charging too much for them. They weren't always this way, but that is their new reality.
I agree, that’s why vintage seiko is much better
Yes, I overpaid for my Presage Style 60’s for the entry level specs .. but the dial is absolutely stunning. I haven’t worn my more expensive Swiss watches in months. I occasionally tend to them to give them a wind, but I am “still” in the longest honeymoon phase of all time for what was suppose to serve as a reliable work watch is now my daily driver for the foreseeable future. You are right that QC with Seiko is hit or miss..I think I’m lucky. I enjoyed your video and I will subscribe :)
Appreciate it! This was just a one time moan generally I like watches xD
I'm really pleased to hear you like your 60s style Pressage. They really are beautiful watches. I'm considering the road trip. I just fancy a GMT. It's been on my radar for a while now.
Thats what Seiko are for :). Enjoy.
This video needed to be made. Always good and bad in everything. Being a smart consumer is important.
Agreed.
None of the brands you mention come close to how good the Presage dials are. I respectfully disagree. Some of the cocktail times are just stunning for the price and most of all, some of the special edition dials are Grand Seiko level quality for Seiko money, such as the Tokyo Dawn, or the Castle in the Sky releases.
Thx for the honest review. I still like the design but it is nice to hear a bit more critical perspective
If you get it second hand for more like $200 then it’s good value, but at full retail price? Not worth the money whatsoever
It's easy to promote yourself on critics's favorite, but now i want you to give me 5 another watch with same beatiful dial.
I was choosing between the Presage and a Cream Bambino. On my wifes advice, i went for the Bambino, as it was more versatile. Im very happy with my decision, plus it was about a quarter of the price! Its become my default dress watch.
Much less price for a watch just as good, why orient is currently the better brand?
@@WatchConnoisseurClub yeah its one of the best decisions i made in this hobby. It cost very little and im not afraid it it gets scratched.
Can't go past the Bambino! But couldn't go past the Presage either haha! :)
We buy the presage for the dial
A boy pontificating from his parents' house🤣🤣🤣
Bedtime sonny.
Hey man, good video! I'm a bit of a Seiko fan myself and it's nice hearing someone be upfront about them resting on their laurels. Owned two Presages, three of their divers and even a King Seiko reissue. A lot of them get spanked by Orient or even some aliexpress brands which also sometimes use Seiko or Seiko Time Corps. movements. It's the QC that I'm most disappointed really.
But I will say, I still like Seiko because it's a Seiko. Branding and all that. Also, they have a distinct look and design as well, and a lot of them happen to appeal to me. At least you can get some of them on the gray market for much cheaper. Ironically, some of their quartz offerings have sapphire crystals!
Yeah it’s just a shame where they’re headed! For the last 4 or 5 years they’ve just been on a downhill slope which is a shame because their heritage and vintage pieces are soooo niceeee
What are you buying it for? If you're looking for a utilitarian watch, that ticks all the boxes for $400, buy a microbrand, If you want a sexy as hell watch to wear during cocktail time, buy the seiko.
I bought a new one, but only paid $325. With leather strap. Don’t need to paid full price.
You are right about the movement. But the crystal is fine. I have some vintage Seiko watches with plexiglass crystals. No scratches. But show me a better dial! You can’t. A simply gorgeous dress watch.
Fair enough! Getting second hand or on sale they’re good value I know where I could pick them up more like $200 range (for a cocktail in good condition) but at full retail price they’re just pretty bad :p
You have some valid points, but complaining that a dress watch only support 50m water resistance is just ridiculous, who cares if it's 50m or 100m it's completely irrelevant. I don't own this watch yet, but will probably buy one soon and for me the bottom line simply is that this is by far the best looking watch in the kind of sub $500 price range, and even better looking than a lot much more expensive watches. The other watches you mention and show in this video just doesn't come even close to the looks of the Presage and at the end of the day for 99% of consumers the main purpose of a dress watch is that it looks great, and if you can find a dress watch for around $500 that looks anywhere near as good as the Presage I would love to hear which one that is, because I haven't been able to fine one.
Ah, at least someone is echoing the same views. Seiko’s presage, sports, king seiko, and these abrupt anniversary editions or reinterpretations are total rip offs today. As a cerebral buyer who doesn’t get blown over by a brands history, I’d say that seiko is no longer a common man’s watch brand that it used to be. And a watch’s heart is its movement. There’s no point in shelling out extra bucks for a not-so-good budget watch with a movement that it’s not up to the mark. I’d rather pay far less for orient bambino and get a better dress watch with a better movement. I think, apart from seiko’s astron, Seiko’s other product lines are not giving customers what they loved about seiko for at least a century.
Hi Rudi... Found your video while researching for Seiko SRPG25j1. Well now I'm not so sure, all the microbrands you mentioned is not available in Indonesia and the orient bambino only offered with mineral crystal dome. Do you have any other recommended automatic watch with sapphire under 500 USD?
Finally someone speaks. Thank you 👍🏻
I agree
My friend have a presage and as a photography enthusiasts we inspect it in macro mode and we found some of things that you are talking, rough finishing and some debris.
Even my old seiko sus military has better finishing quality than his presage.
The quality issue is just like some SKX series which is famous for the dial not aligned with chapter ring.
as a big name seiko can't do that to a big money products.
I agree, especially with the resources they have
Pfffff. I got a whole collection of Seiko and never found or experienced all the crap you're saying. 4R35 a 35 $ movement ? High maintenance ? Low accuracy ? You just don't know nothing about Seiko or maybe you sell the crap you mentioned as alternatives.
No I don’t sell anything this channel doesn’t make a penny for me, also the majority of seiko owners in the comment section agree with me, the 4R35 is reliable yes, but has abhorrent finishing, is cheaply mass manufactured and has barely passable accuracy
When a $500 seiko has a 4R35 when microbrands have an nh35 (unbranded 4R35) in their sub $100 watches you know they’re overpriced
Also search for NH35 online you can get them new for as little as $15
Also maybe you’re lucky but seiko are known for their abhorrent quality control and overpriced watches, good watches yes, but overpriced
And before you say I don’t know enough I’ve owned many seiko probably 5 times more than you and yet I’ve had these issues countless times, also read the comment section where 80% of people agree and say they’ve had the same issues
@@WatchConnoisseurClub where can I get NH35 for 15 ? I will buy them. If its a real NH35 of course.
Thanks for this!
I paid $215 Canadian second hand for my 60s style. It's a nice addition to my mid range/high end collection. For that price with box and paper work. I really can't complain. I also don't have microscopic vision.
Though you do make a solid points. Great honest video. I enjoyed it
Thanks! Also yeah for a price as low as $215 Canadian it’s pretty good value for money! Just for full retail I think it’s bad
Please review JDM Citizen watches. They also have good dials but have better movements than the Seiko Presage's 4R35 and a sapphire crystal.
Personally any watch that cost more than £200 it has to have sapphire crystal and a minimum of 100m water resistant
Fully agree
Thanks for the input,, I was gonna buy my first Presage Cocktail Watch, but after seeing them at the store, I took a pause n re-think it over, bcoz as you said,, It's not up to the hype, I found them kinda regular, not too flashy.. Myb depends on the suits the shirts we'd wear when I put them on.. Maybe. Nevertheles, I didn't buy them.. Now after saw ur video, I get it and agreed, kinda. They really are beautiful but hmm not for me.. Thanks 🙂🙏🙏
Yeah not quite the high end watch they say they are, rather get a vario empire for a circular dress watch on leather
Thank you , How do you feel about the Seiko Prospex Alpinist - SBdCO91 ? I'm more of a Casio type dude
but I'm getting older slowing down & trying to enjoy life before the wicked arrive .
Thank you for the video, you just convinced me to order one 🎉. Sometimes you just buy what you like without thinking..😅
Presage line has a signed crown at least.. XD Seiko's diver line never give us a singed crown so they look so cheap to me.. haha
Seiko are just so overhyped people think it’s the be all end all but they really aren’t all that special xD
I agree 👍
The price of the Seiko presage compared to the Seiko 5, using the same movement, kept me from buying a presage. I have a couple watches with the 4r movement, that were half the price of the presage. But yeah, I can't see spending $400+ for the 4r movement. I'm not big into automatic movements anyway. I like light powered quartz.
Yup just doesn’t make sense
Good choice this is overpriced garbage
Wanted the presage but went with the Green Orient maestro with sapphire and 100 m of WR!
A much better watch in terms of value for money!
No issues with mine…. Clearly you just hate seiko. Why I dont trust the brits
Pfft read through the comments, 8/10 people agree with me and have faulty seikos
I love my presage.a great dress watch.never had a problem.sooo beautiful.i would recommend
You can get Citizen NB1050 with 9000 series decorated miyota, sapphire and VERY nice finishing. No qc issues at all and very classy watch. FOR 450 USD!
Citizen and Orient are where Seiko used to be and beyond.
I completely agree they’re so much better these days!
I agree
Preach! Teddy and Watchfinder make bomb videos which are essentially presentations, commercials to sell you watches in their own stores. I personally don't see what all the hype is around Seiko in general. When I see the gap between the case and bracelet it's an instant turn off.
Yessir! They overhype the watches to sell them for no reason, I do intend on making a website in the future but I wanna either do my own watches or if I do end up selling watches to make enough money to start my own watches I’m gonna be completely transparent and say all the negatives and positives of a watch, I disagree with lying about quality.
For your viewers you should want them to get the best for their money, and as it currently stands microbrand a are just superior to seiko
Sarb lineup was one of the best entry level watches. Seiko has gone greedy. They forgot why people were in love with them.
100% agree. Seiko is just not worth it.
Vintage is, but current seiko? Nah
GRAND SEIKO IS BETTER !
@@67tagada well of course they’re 10 times the price, but they are pretty good value for money
I just watched a video from a watchmaker I follow repairing one of these that had suffered a whack against a brick wall and it was very disappointing. From the factory, scratches on the movement and drenched in oil.
Correctomundo my friend! They are extremely overpriced overhyped and overrated
My white dialed Seiko Presage lost 11 ~ 12 seconds a day. This was in the warranty range but I still found it frustrating. This wasn’t a ‘cocktail’ though.
Yeah it’s not great hah
_Mmmmm . . ._ at that price point the Presage is well-constructed with excellent materials and it looks great but they use a 6R35 movement which is a fine movement but far from the best even within this price range. This was about ¥120,000 and it was still a hella serviceable dress watch.
Now that I read about it the loss of 10 seconds isn’t that bad considering its warranty states that it may lose or gain up to 25 seconds a day . . . 🤷♂️
I picked up a few of the old seiko 5's a few years ago for £65-80 each. Put on a few different straps, yeah good times.
Then they started the pressage and the 5 Sports and whacked up their prices. :/
they went uptown with their maket-perception. "Marketpace." Hate it--it's bs!!
Back when those old 60-80 seiko 5 were around they were so much better value, now even those aren’t good value because their prices have doubled or even tripled since they’ve been discontinued :/
@@WatchConnoisseurClub ikr prime example SKX007 ! It was under £200 new , now it’s £500 plus with a 7s26😂😂
I have the Seiko Presage in green. As much as I hate to admit it, youre right regarding the finishing (one of my hands has a nick in it) and jiggly-ness of the bracelet. Definirely coild be better. Sapphire would have been nice. 50m water resistance is more than enough though.
Appreciate you calling it is, earned a subscriber.
It's very important to look at both sides of the argument, and I sure do agree with your openion, thanks for pointing out the issues. Appreciate your work.
Yeah the watch looks nice and if you don’t mind it being a bit lower quality closer up then it’s still a good buy! It works as a watch and does well in its price range for sure, just not as good as people seem to think
I bought a pre SARB SCVS003 in mint condition for 285usd, cheaper than a SRPD99 presage and couldn't be happier, awesome bracelet (even better than the SARB), sapphire, great lume and nice movement with 50 hr reserve.
Sounds great my man
Wont find better dials for the money. Movement is fine as well solid AF
Following your logic, the only sane buying decision you can make in purchasing a watch is to buy a $10 Casio.
I can allow every loopholes for that brand and dial. But the movement and hardlex crystal is a dealbreaker.
Definitely with you on the sapphire. Should be an assumption at that price. The other gripes aren't deal breakers for me. I'll still buy one because I'm a sucker for those dials, but I'll wait until I can get one on sale. They frequently go on sale at The Bay here in Canada for around $300 - $350 CAD
So many presage watches with Sapphire. The video cherry picks like crazy.
The SSA421J is Sapphire and can be found for about the quoted price in he video. So is the SSA200J1 and SSA193.
Instantly became a subscriber
Totally agree with you that’s all the reasons I still haven’t got any Presage
Another scam I feel like the same is King Seiko
Yup it’s pretty crazy
I agree with some things you say. It is overpriced like most of seikos these days. They do have qc issues but thats why i go and pick the one i want from an ad. Hardlex/mineral should be used for divers or even field watches.
I dont agree with what you said about the movement. The 4r35 or nh35 is used by incredible amount of microbrands and as far for the accuracy, they always more accurate than the specifications. And you dont service it every couple of years! You service a seiko when it stops or keeps a really bad time and in that case you swap the movement in less the amount of a service. Could be years and years.
You pay for the brand name! And seiko dials are some of the best ones out there! For the price range.
I dont know where this hate for seiko coming from, presage owners all love their watches. Maybe its bc they are above 40 and their eyesight isn't good no more.. 🤷♂️
Haha! Like I said the presage isn’t terrible for the price there’s much worse in the price range, but it’s just not why all these people hype it up to be, the movement is bad for the price (nh35 should be in more like $150-$200 watches not the $450 presage line) and the crystal is cheaper out on, the strap is alright but the bracelets are abhorrent and for the $450 microbrands are straight up better with no question
I don’t agree with buying a watch for the brand but fair enough, and the dials are pretty nice for the money but they’re not the best in the market like some people say
@@WatchConnoisseurClub i do agree that some reviewers hype the watch to increase the sales, Someone like teddy. When i started my collection i used to be subscribed to his channel. But i hate to see youtubers loading videos for paud promotion on every single video! Like, are you kidding me? Who do you think youre fooling?
I hope you wont.. Ill be watching you..
Simple: just don’t buy them at full retail price. It’s not a $450 watch but they go for a lot less on the grey market, using an AD discount, or simply pre-owned.
Fair point! If you can pick one up for around $200 then I’d say they’re good value
Do you think the Orient Star has the same issues ?
No the orient star is better value, sapphire crystal and orient as a brand has much better quality control then seiko, the orient star is a great pick!
though what mentions are true, most 4R performs better than what it writes on paper. Usually less than 10sec +/- . Hardlex could scratch, but it won't easily get as what it said.
Oh dear the cheap presage has sold out so screw presage im gona go for the Mont Blanc 7019 ive seen for £340 used, it has the look im after and well engineered too, what is your opinion of this brand
Not too familiar with the brand but after some quick research into it’s specification it seems alright yeah, looks good too
Crystal that is scratch easily, bezel misalignment and poor accuracy are the common problems
Yup
Depends which presage series. The sharp edge is excellent in my opinion and worth every penny.
I own the presage, and actually was thinking of swapping the bracelet for delugs leather strap, Good argument.
Delugs leather strap is most definitely the better pick lad! And main thing is you enjoy the watch don’t listen to what other people say about it, me included
@@WatchConnoisseurClub I do, but I always criticized the movement and bracelet, the dial is beyond the price (white zen garden open heart with 24hrs sub dial)
Not to listen to your argument?
My argument is the same as yours, which truly shows how strong your argument is so I will listen.
i'm new to watches and glad i watched this video, thanks! i'm in love with the look of the presage, but can't get over the fact it's mineral and not sapphire; i could probably deal with the other stuff if it just didn't have a crappy crystal
Nice dials but the specs aren’t all that, check out Jody’s watches from his brand EREBUS, incredible dials and specifications!
Totally agree. Prices should be lower.
Only time the presage is good value is when you get it second hand at half the price.
You dared to speak the truth sir. I appreciate you . Have subscribed. Well done , keeping sharing the truth plz
Ha! Will do, I dislike how many UA-camrs lie to make money
@@WatchConnoisseurClub , you are very right brother
There is only one reason, the crystal.
if i can buy one for 260$ its good ?
Im looking for my first automatic, should i buy it ?
Yes
Great dials, crappy leather bands.
Ha! Fair
I’ve always thought the same. Many people, myself include, are suckers for a pretty dial. However, the a presage line just didn’t seem good value for money to me. Good vid
Appreciated! The dials are amazing, but the finishing movement and straps are all very subpar, and you can’t just have a nice dial and bad value everything else yknow?
@@WatchConnoisseurClub 100%
What is your opinion about the presage vs tissot Le locle?
I loooove my Le Locle. Nothing negative - for me - to say about it.
I am thinking about at Presage because I love the colours of one.. but the girl in this video makes some great points.
I do have 3 Seiko... but only use one... and that is solor with gps.
At that price point nothing comes close. Orient? No. Citizen? Maybe, but it still looks crap in comparison...
When I saw the video thumbnail I was expecting a troll video. Instead, you present a well-reasoned opinion backed up with facts. Deeply appreciated as I've long eyed a Presage. I might just go the Tissot PRX route instead.
The support is much appreciated! Also as much as what I said is true, the main thing is to get the watch you are in love with, doesn’t matter if people think it’s bad or it’s not the best quality as long as you love it
tissot prx or tissot gentleman..prx bracelet very very high quality btw... sapphire crystal, 80 hours power reserve,very accurate movement i also have hamilton khaki field (the same movement with a different name)
Tissot is good … i own mojito cocktail seiko , tissot 516 and seiko spb317… i realized why ppl are crazy for swiss brands .. they are real bang for the buck…
They look good to me ,good for the price
Gorgeous beautiful dial …. But originally they came with the 6r35 movement which is much better , they don’t have a sapphire crystal only Softlex , it should have no date … Seiko have gone so overpriced lately 😅 I want the watch but it has so many short comings .. Hamilton give you sapphire for cheaper so do many many other watches including micro brands … Seiko can quite easily put a sapphire for the same price but prefer to screw the customers 🤷🏻 basically you are buying the dial here
Good points though .. i myself being an owner of seiko mojito cocktail owner can vouch for this video…
Yeah it’s just a bit overhyped and not quality as good quality as people say
@@WatchConnoisseurClub i also never understood why so many ppl are overselling it…
You make good points. I have been naturally drifting away from Presage because of all the reasons you listed. You crystallized the feelings I've had regarding the Presage line.
The only series I would even consider is the Presage line with the Arita porcelain dial because no one else touches porcelain or enamel dials at the price.
I would be happy to be proven wrong, though! Let me know if there are porcelain or enamel dials for cheaper!
They do generally tend to be more currently yes, if you’re looking for specifically a dress watch with an enamel dial vintage is your way to go in the price range!
So im not a huge watch guy but i do respect watches because they're amazing.
My everyday watch is cocktail time and i like it a lot....but you're right 😂
I just like the dial but i highly doubt my next everyday watch will be a Seiko.
Solid vid my friend
Wow, lit them up *mic drop*. I have to say for $300-400, yeah you can get better specs, but the design is unique and very attractive. There is value there. I have a micro brand that is $300 and blows these specs out of the water, but doesnt look as cool tbh.
They do shave really good designs, the execution and specs are just the bad part, which is disappointing because seiko have so many great resources they could make them so much better but they try to minimise cost and maximise profit
Agree. I got one (open heart), and get scratches very easily. Additionally after 2,5 years mechanism just stopped. I was partying, music (base) was very loud and the main rotor just escaped from the position and its not moving. Horrible watch. The only plus is that looks nice and elegant.
What about SEIPB417J sharped edge series?
Finishing is much better but full RRP they’re still way overpriced, if you can get one second hand for 30%+ off then it’s a good deal so go for it!
That accuracy varoes alot. Some are almost costc certified. Almost, like the Tissot prx powermatic 80
Well you can regulate it yourself if you know what it’s doing and vastly increase the accuracy
Please suggest me an alternative (open heart ) for same price , am about buying and stopped cuz of your video
3 months and still waiting for an alternative...
Orient FAG00001S0 its around 370€ brand new, you could get a used one for less...
@@roelfo Orient FAG00001S0 its around 370€ brand new, you could get a used one for less...
Valid points. However, at this price point Seikos sell on design not specs. I have a few 4r movements, all seem pretty accurate (the wide stated tolerance is mainly for Seiko to avoid warranty claims) and haven't given me any problems. I expect that's why they're popular for microbrands.
I admire your passion in your videos bud. Keep it up!
Thank you my man! Support is always appreciated :D
The 4r35. Just calibrate it yourself. It's easy. Mine all run at 2 seconds per day.
Most people wouldn’t be able to, don’t forget seiko is an entry brand and lost wouldn’t know how to take the caseback off let alone calibrate it
Don't worry about me hating you for calling one of the most beautiful affordable dress watches "ugly" I hate you merely for your poor fashion choice 😂 Also did you just call Orient a micro-brand? You need to understand the purpose of a dress watch my good lad
Ha! No my dear I did not call it a microbrand at all, also I’ve seen quite a few myself in person and I must say they’re pretty horrid quality! My fashion choice is also much superior to whatever you wear darling, and I do understand the purpose of a dress watch as I have many, and sadly for the seiko presage it’s movement is the same you can get in $100 watches because it’s abhorrent, the finishing on the case is barely passable, the dials are alright but not the best your money can buy at all, the indices are abhorrent too and the straps or bracelet they come with are terrible which is why I said to order your own if you’re getting one.
Point is that there are many many micro brands and such that make higher quality watches with better specs and movements, the presage is cheaply manufactured and if it wasn’t from seiko it wouldn’t go for any more than $200
The purpose of a dress watch is to look good and have class, of which the presage line has neither and on top of that it has horrid specifications as well
Also thanks for the comment and allowing me to reply to it, really helps the algorithm push my content :)
Anyways I have stuff to do so have the most wonderful of days sir or m’dam
I think you can say the same about the Alpinist, at least aesthetically. The big ugly magnifier over the date, and the weird, off-putting part leather strap, part metal clasp band.
Agreed!
my 2 years old presage slashes minus 50 - 60 sec a week not a day, i think you are wrong. yeah you are right about glass. it should be sapphire.
Fair enough, thing is the quality control is horrific though you just got lucky and probably the 1 in 100 presage that’s relatively accurate
@@WatchConnoisseurClub i calculated again and it slashes 7 - 8 sec a day and its normal. No scratches on glass or dial in 2 years. I don't understand why you criticize this watch so much. My watch does not match what you said. My friends who use this series are also very satisfied.
@@tonyslark4366this is a crap value watch , you are just obsessed with it because you paid so much and want it to be perfect
I'm French. I don't often watch videos in English, but congratulations for your video. I almost bought a Presage. You opened my eyes. I prefer to orient myself towards Citizen, Orient, Casio, which have better value for money.
Yup! Most important thing is to pick the watch you love, but I still thing it’s important to see what have value and what don’t first
I almost bought a Presage. Might get the Bambino or a Tsuyosa instead.
thank you! i was about to buy this watch😅
It’s a good watch to be fair, just extremely overpriced, if you could get one for £200 instead of £500 it would be a good choice
thank you my friend. You know how to convey information well, you could become a good actor, or a representative of something. Tell me how you like the Tissot watch. Which models are more or less worthy?@@WatchConnoisseurClub
Well said! I love Presage dials, but I never pulled the trigger on any because of the crystal and high price point. Disagree on your movement comment though, the 4R35/NH35 is robust and easily regulated.
Gotta disagree with the movement but yeah the dials are good I’ll give them that
What about baltic?
People buy Seiko for the brand, and frankly I couldn't give a shit about the crystal - never a big deal for me, I don't bash my wrists against walls or doors!! The water resistance is also NOT an issue for me - if I want a dive watch I'll buy a frigging dive watch!! The big weakness is the movement - the 4 series movement is cheap junk that is often used by Chinese Aliexpress brands. Even the higher range 6 series movement, which is used in the expensive Presage watches, isn't much better either. If you want a quality Seiko you need to go for the 8 series movements, which are only available in the most expensive Seiko watches. So yes, it IS a scam, but not necessarily for the reasons you outlined.
No worries n you're right... Most microbrands at $2 - 300 range did do better...
Which is why I'm getting my Ice Blue presage preloved n still in good condition...
At 90 bucks. 😁
At 90 bux? Great watch! Main issue is they’re iverpriced
@@WatchConnoisseurClub Precisely why I'm getting mine preloved n it's pretty mint too...
I was rather surprised at the condition when I saw it, but 90 bucks is a pretty good value purchase...
then i dont know why my pressage doubled in value , problably because its limited ) i dont know why someone would buy a non limited unit
Limited editions of big brand names will always go up in value :P
I owned one and agree. An inexpensive average movement, mineral crystal, cheap strap. The dial was pretty, but it wore very large for a 38mm. The only Seiko I own now is my Alpinist. It's a lovely looking watch that is very overpriced.
Ali it’s agree with everything here, and as for the alpinist it is overpriced, but atleast it’s got good specs and is versatile enough, if you can get it second hand for more like 400ish I’d say it’s a pretty good option
@@WatchConnoisseurClub mine has the mountain glacier dial, therefore cost more
The specs aren't really that good. The bracelet and clasp are average, and the 6R36 is only the NH35 with a longer power reserve. I bought it based on the looks, and the residual value will be pretty good. To be honest though I am no fan of Seiko@@WatchConnoisseurClub
@@watchalot919 I’m not a fan of current seiko at all, however I do like vintage seiko
The seiko presage is all about the dial. Thats its only selling point thats very true and sad.
Yeah especially when seiko have so many recourses :/
Some good points
Thanks lad :)
You are spot on, quite disappointing. Shame, its a great design. Seiko could easily step up their game.
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Much appreciated! And yeah seiko have access to so many recourses, the dial is nice but everything else is pretty bad and we know seiko could fix all the issues with the recourses they have
@@WatchConnoisseurClub Very true!
I used to be a Seiko’s fanboy, but not for the last few years… I buy a lot of watches the only psychos I’ve purchased in the last few years I’ve been re-purchases of older models or picking up discontinued models that I always wanted. I’ve moved to micro brands and other big brands like Hamilton/Tissot/Citizen/Casio, etc..
Value is conceived within the mind and not on paper. I buy a watch because I like it and that makes it a bargain. Not based on any opinions or facts. If seiko make a watch I like I buy it. If a micro brand catches my eye I buy it. I move in circles where luxury watches are the norm and there is always on paper, a better watch, a better movement, a better bracelet. It's all irrelevant, just enjoy yourself.
Now this, I can agree with, buy the watch you enjoy that’s the most important thing, I just got bored of UA-camrs saying the presage is so amazing and great value and everything’s perfect just to sell it on their website, I wanna say the truth and be transparent, not lie about how good value they are and let people be disappointed when they buy one
This shows that depression is no joke..wishing you well dude.
I'd rather have my Casio.
An extremely valid opinion, better watch and less money
Casio Duro is a Good watch, I have one, go fro the model with the Marlin on the dial and back if you can get hold of it.
@@DavidLee-yu7yzduro is an amazing watch that only cost as much as a good strap xD
You really like yourself hearing talking eh? What exactly makes yourself a watch expert?
No such thing as hardlex? 😂 Its not a basic mineral crystal its seikos own blend. It's decent