Another reason why we bought our own. This was done by a company that we hired, which did an ok job and came out great. But, we believe that we could have done better ourselves. So in the end we bought a more powerful machine.
We have done thin metal before (as it doesn’t need 100% of the power) with zero warping issues. I’m sure that if you did throw the entire thing at it, that is a possible issue.
She did come out clean enough to eat off of. Unfortunately I couldn’t stay around for the 40 mins of cleaning it took, but I can tell you that it was night and day! There was one weakness though in the cleaning with the oil channels. Those we had to do manually.
@@nicholasjohnson6880 Again, not "perfect" clean. But "the perfect" is the mortal enemy of "the good". And just thinking about how much elbow grease and caustic chemicals it'd take to achieve the same ultimate end? Cheap at twice the price!
@@PhotonHerald takes 3x as much labor and manpower to clean that all the way out, also the laser can do those tight corners at a fraction of the price compared to paying a shop to clean it if you were to even supply them with everything up front
@@nicholasjohnson6880 Close enough I guess. Was it really clean inside and out? Getting the water jackets and oil galleries clean is why we used to hot tank them. I even paid a little extra to get all the tins and fasteners run through the vat back in the day.
@@ralfie8801 while for those that aren’t tight on a budget or in a hurry, the bath is still a great choice. However since the entire engine was getting rebuilt, there was no need for her to soak if we could get the galleys and exterior done within a few hours and far less the cost. (Since everything else is not going to be used. I have to say (apologies for my laziness in not uploading them earlier) after an hour of cleaning it turned out great for the shop. ibb.co/album/v6L8Hn Which is incredible for the 1,000 watt laser. What’s nice now that we have our own equipment, we aren’t as fast on the cleaning nor do we need to be since we are running 1,500watts at 100% no problem. And it’s doing fantastic jobs around town.
Aye. The operator of this one and the wattage were not our cup of tea. (Don’t get me wrong, the end result was still nice, but it could have been done quicker if it was properly done.) that’s why we purchased our own and do it personally.
Though it may look bad if done wrong, this is why I like having a painted engine. If it gets dirty you don't have to worry about corrosion or oxidation. If it gets too bad it can be lasered off and nobody would know.
So is that a 1kw - 4kw laser? How long did it take? What was your overall impression? Seems you would want a bouncy castle fan blowing the smoke away from you. What about a degreaser first, then pressure wash, then laser?
That is a 1Kw Took about 40 minutes or so. Overall impression was positive as it cleaned up a lot of gunk that would have taken a long time. However, we have determined that it needed to be 1.5kw in order to meet our demands. Wasnt a bad idea on the fans, something that we purchased after these runs seen here. In regard to the degreaser, its actually how we did the engine bay (pictures and videos not yet posted) as there was layers upon layers of nastiness that needed to be scraped off. Took about 3 days of watering it with concentrated degreaser, then scraping off the sludge before we were able to attack the interior. Over all, the cleaning wasnt bad for what we paid for a different service to do it, however we believe that we could do better. And that is why we bought our own and more powerful to meet the demand.
@@nicholasjohnson6880 Thanks for answering my question. It's so hard to get any real info about this stuff. That's right around what I was kinda thinking. I'm looking to buy one and start a mobile service. I'm thinking either a 300 PL or 2000w CW. I'd like dual optic. What do you think is the most versatile machine?
@joelmarcy8027 I guess that depends on what you want to focus on. 2,000 w you can clean huge areas fast (think buildings and industrial boats) however smaller stuff will require you to tinker with your throw settings a bit so that you don’t accidentally cause a lot of heat to be thrown on a small object. Organic material is alright to work on, granted that it isn’t covered in lacquer (no matter what settings I tried on my 1,500 w model I couldn’t get it to not burn the lacquer itself) so I usually see the 1,500 as a good midway point, If you are wanting to do more interior restoration, a 200-300 watt pulse laser should do the job fine. There is a fantastic subreddit also available that I highly suggest giving a look at that has some helpful stuff on the topic as well.
I've cleaned greasy engine parts and dirty bbq grills with my oxygen acetylene cutting bar and it looks much the same. First you go outside away from any combustibles and place the part to be cleaned on the ground, put on some leather gloves and eye protection; then set the flame and aim it at a greasy spot and pull the oxygen handle. The grease and dirt explode off the metal leaving clean metal behind. If you move the flame around it doesn't even heat up the base metal. It works on grease, paint and Bondo. Not for big jobs but it's quick if you have an oxy-acetylene rig.
It will create a flame the width of the beam if it is pooled, same with massive build ups of grease. Small stains or droplets will only be a small little spark.
Taking the motor mounts off, remove all the freeze plugs which which are actually called core plugs and don't forget the dipstick and the oil gallery plugs and the cam bearings. Get the thing hot tank to put it in the oven. Stop playing around and be careful of taking that stud out of the front of the block it will get bent or broken.
So far I haven’t seen any changes or issues. You can take a look at some of the other shorts of the laser clean that I have been doing as well to see. I think the best one will be the torch end that I did as a test, as that got rid off all the rust but left the pitted portions still on the end. Practically just cleaning it. Unfortunately this video is someone else with a lower powered laser that was a bit fast on the application, however in the end it turned out fine and looked brand new at the end of the day.
Neat trick, but that's not clean enough to be of use to a builder. Burned carbon remaining inside engine is unacceptable and no attention was given to the oil galleys.
Lots of stuff we did isn’t on the video. The engine was thoroughly cleaned. As stated before, I didn’t stick around to film the entire session. The exterior was super clean and was complemented by the engine shop. The galleys were cleaned separately as the amount of build up would have prevented the laser from cleaning it anyway.
Since a few people were interested, here is the before and after of the engine that day after I think an hour and some change of cleaning. ibb.co/album/v6L8Hn But correct, this was just showing the cleaning part of it for now. Parts for the 58 are incredibly difficult to come by. Making the 58 curse as hard as it is to find something, while the curse of 59 is finding enough money to afford the parts.
1,000 watt at 80%. Probably should have been at 100%, but since we ourselves were new at the time we weren’t going to question it. 1,500 watt machines are night and day though with what we have privately now.
If you’re doing it with an enclosed area, make sure that you have the proper PPE involved both for your eyes and also respirators. Additionally make sure that there are no fable materials nearby either as it will burn through plastic and the lot very quickly. Further you need to be mindful of where in the shop you are due to the invisible scatter of the beam, so you should be in an area where no one else but the operators can clearly see what’s going on, or have laser curtains to protect the rest of the shop.
I think it comes to a point based off of what type of laser you were using as well as how much the grime buildup is on the item you were trying to clean. Personally speaking from lessons learned off the engine block, it’s probably best to get 1500 W laser instead of 1000 W laser that you see inside of the video here. While it did eventually do the job after an hour and some change it could’ve been done a lot more efficient and faster with a 1500 W laser instead. (I estimate 30 minutes) Additionally, to your question on whether or not it etched the metal, no it didn’t. The lines you see are because the individual (as what was pointed out by a few other commenters) was going a bit too fast on the actual device. Instead of being smooth and going back over the lines periodically, they were going straight up and down. The lines that you were seeing being left over grime the refracting mirror was moving a little bit slower than what is needed for it to have a nice smooth clean. (which is corrected by just going over it again just a bit slower and smoother itstead of trying to use it as a pressure washer) If you go into the shorts part of my channel, you’ll actually see one of the valley pans from the vehicle being worked on with 1500 W laser and see that on the return stroke going up, that the scan lines actually disappear due to the laser actually hitting those slightly missed parts. -> ua-cam.com/users/shortsT2TnGGPs5XQ?feature=share Don’t worry about the knocking part, some individuals like their way for reasons, I like it for mine. Especially now that we have properly trained staff, and proper equipment.
Depends on how much power you want, which brand you go for, and what type of laser they are interested in. All goes into what industry you want to focus on.
@traviscole7069 That’s a tough call, I would suggest trying to rent one if it’s a one and done thing. These are very expensive machines even at the lower level models due to the complexity of the internals. For big projects like a full truck, I would at least recommend a CW 500 watt model, but as mentioned before he more than likely would lose money going the buy outright route. Check to see if there is a laser service or at least a company you can rent a machine from.
So the one in this video in particular is a 1000 W continuous model. The ones used on later videos that I have uploaded or 1500 W continuous model as well after our lessons learned in triage of what happened all in this video which wasn’t all bad. It’s just that we thought that we could do better. So we decided to purchase 500 extra watts on top of it, which does the cleaning job properly at 100% for any job but isn’t required and usually has a baseline of 80% on most surfaces. The only issue that we have had with the continuous laser even at 100% and the sway push down to 30 mm is white painted wood. While while on our tests with metal white paint was easily removed with organic materials, it doesn’t even burn the paint off.
That’s planned, unfortunately been so busy with work I haven’t had the opportunity to do so. As you need to make sure that the fuel tank is empty, lines are as well, the interior fabric is removed so that the risk of fire ignition is zero. The biggest problem is that the engine isn’t back yet, and there is no way we will be able to push this out, and then back up hill to get it on the lift. But once the engine is back in, we do plan on doing that.
There wasn't a 220V hook up available in the shop (The lift was using it) so the generator had to be used. Yes, if you have a 220V socket in your house you can run it off of there, but as you can probably see, I can't get my car inside of my house, let alone my washroom lol. $240 for the engine since it was an hour and some change@@911TechDeck In the end, she turned out nice for just a little bit of time that day ibb.co/album/v6L8Hn
@Slithey7433 Depends on the hours of those jobs. (Plus tips if any are received) (Math shows each job averaging at least 3 hours booked per job would come out to be around 62.5 sessions needed to meet the ROI)
This one unfortunately was only 1,000 w in the video. For car restoration with heavy oxidation and cleaning, we personally recommend finding a 1,500 w unit. It works wonders better than what you are seeing in this video. (And with more training behind it as well)
Thank you, I have better ones that have been uploaded using our own 1,500 laser on the channel that are a little better to watch. (They are in the shorts section of the channel) I cant remember what the brand this was but it was one of the Chinese ones. Size was stock at 160mm with a speed of 20,000 80% on power in this video if I remember correctly.
I'm almost certain that you put so much heat on the piece that you got it out of temper. That laser is for cleaning rust on heavier materials, that is, products that do not risk being damaged by the temperature. For that type of piece, a 200w or 300w pulsed laser is recommended, it does not overheat, the finish is spectacular and the risk of damage is 0%.
@@nicholasjohnson6880 And what brand is this machine friend? or which ones do you recommend? because I was researching the market and all the ones I see are Chinese and I'm not sure how good they are
@yoanlm1872 So the one we have is a Chinese one (SFX lasers) as there has to be a ROI within our standard research. Of course, they aren’t as high quality as what you will find for the USA ones, but they do the job and we haven’t had any issues. I highly suggest heading over to the laser cleaning subreddit as there is a lot of fantastic information available there.
I don't mind running the sawmill, but that sure looks like a neat job. I wonder. If you could use that laser as a sawmill blade, it would make some clean cuts. No sawdust. You could rig a water tank to jet water in behind the cut and cool the wood off. Hmmm. If that thing has any range, you could use it to top off dangerous leaning trees without having to climb. (That would be more efficient than my tree topping shotgun idea.)
Unfortunately not, I wouldn’t suggest throwing water on the metal either where you are flashing it due to the light scatter you couldn’t see. However thin metal is done very quick with minimal heat on the object.
@@nicholasjohnson6880 Hmm. I foresee a cure for cancer, for diabetes. These do exist, but we'll never get them saying, "It can't be done." When did we become so cynical?
It is, what it is. Did get tired of explaining to everyone that “it doesn’t work” and showing them that it came out looking brand new. But it’s the internet.
I hope all you guys were wearing the proper eye protection. If they ever figure out how to make these affordable they are going to blind a lot of people.
Been wanting one of the handheld 200watt ones since early 2015. Thankfully due to the rapid availability of them and also advancements in technology, the price for a 1,000watt unit (albeit not as portable) is now around the price that they were charging for a 200 back in the day.
It's a lot cheaper and thorough to buy a USWM blaster, set up, walk away, come back when it's properly clean, than the cost of the laser set up. Unless you are looking to get rid of as much grime and paint as possible before it goes into the blaster. Edit: I wonder if it removes tattoos? 😅😅😅
Class 4 lasers are indeed utilized to remove tattoos, but obviously this one isn’t one of them lol. For us we wanted to do this as a side job so we didn’t buy forking out for the device.
@@nicholasjohnson6880 I have read that the fastest growing industry in California at the moment is laser tattoo removal. Apparently it's 3x more painful than the actual tattoo application. Glad I'm an old school clean skin. (so was my wife when we met) 👍😉
@lukewise1227 It is a lot faster than the classic way, but you are using a type of radiation to get rid of the ink. So while it may hurt a bit more, you’re more than sure that ALL the ink has been ablated.
It wasn’t too big of a combustion on it as you would think. However with Ice you are not getting rid of the rust, and have to purchase media (the dry ice) in order to run it. Which completely defeats the purpose of doing it laser. However, if you have good paint and only grime under the hood, that is not a bad idea as the laser is going to take everything off. Here is the before and after of the hour and some change cleaning. ibb.co/album/v6L8Hn
Absolutely, I think the biggest learning curve the the effective distance as that must be learned through muscle memory and eyesight. Takes a few jobs to get a feel for that sweet spot of 3 feet away.
For certain applications I can agree, however for getting paint, grime and residual coverings off it’s more of a hassle. That and it isn’t accurate if you need to do small fragile places where you don’t want the medium to hit it with the full force of the ice.
I normally like laser cleaning, but this doesn't look like a good application. The PPE for this would be a nightmare between the stray laser light concerns and the smoke and metal its throwing into the air. I'm not sure what method I would try if this was me, but laser wouldn't be ot.
Huh, looks like he was pretending to be a storm trooper with how far back he was holding the emitter and with how fast he was moving the laser... Jeeze. No wonder it wasnt looking right...
Thanks -- wondering if anyone else was irritated by how far he was away + the fast and random movements. This is a pulse laser, so if you are too far away and/or moving too fast, it won't remove contaminants fully on any given pass. Slow down, and move the laser around more precisely.
All depends on your location and whether or not you are fine with having it be a used model instead of new. There are a few groups on Facebook that have used models going for around $5-6k for this amount of Wattage, and cheaper for lower models as well. Would check the laser cleaning community Facebook groups to see what’s available.
With the generator we use, we get 9 hours of usage on average with 93 octane fuel on our 5.5 gallon tank. Current price that we have been paying for gas is $3.40, so for around $20-30, that’s not bad for a full days worth of work.
The last time I saw a ‘laser’ cleaner, it was a scam. The one I paid for never arrived. It takes a lot of power to maker a laser stretch out that far and clean. (sigh)
@backpages1 no problem this is something that I’ve actually been wanting to do for quite some, and the technology from 2013 to what it is now has been enhanced tremendously. The whole entire process it’s just so interesting.
Satisfying, but triggered me but not going piece by piece and just randomly wandering around.
Another reason why we bought our own. This was done by a company that we hired, which did an ok job and came out great. But, we believe that we could have done better ourselves. So in the end we bought a more powerful machine.
@@nicholasjohnson6880where did you buy from?
Maybe its a cooling issue so you don't warp anything? Not sure though. First time seeing it.
We have done thin metal before (as it doesn’t need 100% of the power) with zero warping issues.
I’m sure that if you did throw the entire thing at it, that is a possible issue.
I know! My OCD was acting up.
It's not a perfect clean up, but it sure is fun to watch.
She did come out clean enough to eat off of. Unfortunately I couldn’t stay around for the 40 mins of cleaning it took, but I can tell you that it was night and day!
There was one weakness though in the cleaning with the oil channels. Those we had to do manually.
@@nicholasjohnson6880 Again, not "perfect" clean. But "the perfect" is the mortal enemy of "the good".
And just thinking about how much elbow grease and caustic chemicals it'd take to achieve the same ultimate end?
Cheap at twice the price!
@@PhotonHerald
takes 3x as much labor and manpower to clean that all the way out, also the laser can do those tight corners at a fraction of the price compared to paying a shop to clean it if you were to even supply them with everything up front
Every time I see "Laser" I can't help but think of Dr. Evil's air quotes ~"Lasers"
Me, I think back to Ghostbusters.
Don’t forget the “One Million Dollars” charge for cleaning your block this way!
@@ralfie8801 you mean the $200 I was charged?
@@nicholasjohnson6880
Close enough I guess. Was it really clean inside and out? Getting the water jackets and oil galleries clean is why we used to hot tank them. I even paid a little extra to get all the tins and fasteners run through the vat back in the day.
@@ralfie8801 while for those that aren’t tight on a budget or in a hurry, the bath is still a great choice.
However since the entire engine was getting rebuilt, there was no need for her to soak if we could get the galleys and exterior done within a few hours and far less the cost. (Since everything else is not going to be used.
I have to say (apologies for my laziness in not uploading them earlier) after an hour of cleaning it turned out great for the shop.
ibb.co/album/v6L8Hn
Which is incredible for the 1,000 watt laser.
What’s nice now that we have our own equipment, we aren’t as fast on the cleaning nor do we need to be since we are running 1,500watts at 100% no problem. And it’s doing fantastic jobs around town.
I’ve seen laser cleaned parts with substantially better results!
Aye. The operator of this one and the wattage were not our cup of tea. (Don’t get me wrong, the end result was still nice, but it could have been done quicker if it was properly done.) that’s why we purchased our own and do it personally.
Basically a good cleaner,before the cleaning vat or it is not ready for building ,I agree
Though it may look bad if done wrong, this is why I like having a painted engine. If it gets dirty you don't have to worry about corrosion or oxidation. If it gets too bad it can be lasered off and nobody would know.
While not OEM, that’s what we plan to do. Going to paint it black just like the engine bay.
Looks like a slick tool to have.
So is that a 1kw - 4kw laser? How long did it take? What was your overall impression? Seems you would want a bouncy castle fan blowing the smoke away from you. What about a degreaser first, then pressure wash, then laser?
That is a 1Kw
Took about 40 minutes or so.
Overall impression was positive as it cleaned up a lot of gunk that would have taken a long time. However, we have determined that it needed to be 1.5kw in order to meet our demands.
Wasnt a bad idea on the fans, something that we purchased after these runs seen here.
In regard to the degreaser, its actually how we did the engine bay (pictures and videos not yet posted) as there was layers upon layers of nastiness that needed to be scraped off. Took about 3 days of watering it with concentrated degreaser, then scraping off the sludge before we were able to attack the interior.
Over all, the cleaning wasnt bad for what we paid for a different service to do it, however we believe that we could do better. And that is why we bought our own and more powerful to meet the demand.
How much would that cost to have done by someone else?
@joelmarcy8027 Can’t speak for anyone else, however we charge $120 an hour billed in 15 min increments.($30 per 15 min of work)
@@nicholasjohnson6880 Thanks for answering my question. It's so hard to get any real info about this stuff. That's right around what I was kinda thinking. I'm looking to buy one and start a mobile service. I'm thinking either a 300 PL or 2000w CW. I'd like dual optic. What do you think is the most versatile machine?
@joelmarcy8027 I guess that depends on what you want to focus on.
2,000 w you can clean huge areas fast (think buildings and industrial boats) however smaller stuff will require you to tinker with your throw settings a bit so that you don’t accidentally cause a lot of heat to be thrown on a small object.
Organic material is alright to work on, granted that it isn’t covered in lacquer (no matter what settings I tried on my 1,500 w model I couldn’t get it to not burn the lacquer itself) so I usually see the 1,500 as a good midway point,
If you are wanting to do more interior restoration, a 200-300 watt pulse laser should do the job fine.
There is a fantastic subreddit also available that I highly suggest giving a look at that has some helpful stuff on the topic as well.
I've cleaned greasy engine parts and dirty bbq grills with my oxygen acetylene cutting bar and it looks much the same. First you go outside away from any combustibles and place the part to be cleaned on the ground, put on some leather gloves and eye protection; then set the flame and aim it at a greasy spot and pull the oxygen handle. The grease and dirt explode off the metal leaving clean metal behind. If you move the flame around it doesn't even heat up the base metal. It works on grease, paint and Bondo. Not for big jobs but it's quick if you have an oxy-acetylene rig.
Will the oil catch fire
It will create a flame the width of the beam if it is pooled, same with massive build ups of grease. Small stains or droplets will only be a small little spark.
Taking the motor mounts off, remove all the freeze plugs which which are actually called core plugs and don't forget the dipstick and the oil gallery plugs and the cam bearings. Get the thing hot tank to put it in the oven. Stop playing around and be careful of taking that stud out of the front of the block it will get bent or broken.
Thanks dad, ill be sure to tell the engine shop that.
Yes exactly this Laser cleaning won't clean the oil gallies and threaded holes and water jackets.
OP has a very good point....
@@nicholasjohnson6880
pulse or continuous wave are you using?
Does the laser cleaner affect the metal surface at all, such as bearing surfaces or other tolerance areas? Thanks for sharing!
So far I haven’t seen any changes or issues. You can take a look at some of the other shorts of the laser clean that I have been doing as well to see.
I think the best one will be the torch end that I did as a test, as that got rid off all the rust but left the pitted portions still on the end. Practically just cleaning it.
Unfortunately this video is someone else with a lower powered laser that was a bit fast on the application, however in the end it turned out fine and looked brand new at the end of the day.
Hi there what laser setting did you use to clean this block ?
@@Johnyboi78 it depends on the wattage that you are using. Do you know what wattage machine you currently have?
Neat trick, but that's not clean enough to be of use to a builder. Burned carbon remaining inside engine is unacceptable and no attention was given to the oil galleys.
Lots of stuff we did isn’t on the video. The engine was thoroughly cleaned.
As stated before, I didn’t stick around to film the entire session. The exterior was super clean and was complemented by the engine shop.
The galleys were cleaned separately as the amount of build up would have prevented the laser from cleaning it anyway.
It looks like a good first stage, no harsh chemicals no pollutants to worry about getting into water causes etc. 👍🏻🇬🇧
Are you a liqui moly salesman ??
I believe the point was how well it cleans the block. I did not see anything about claiming to be ready to build.
Since a few people were interested, here is the before and after of the engine that day after I think an hour and some change of cleaning.
ibb.co/album/v6L8Hn
But correct, this was just showing the cleaning part of it for now. Parts for the 58 are incredibly difficult to come by. Making the 58 curse as hard as it is to find something, while the curse of 59 is finding enough money to afford the parts.
nice,, didnt do a really good job thou,,, is it low power? seen some bring metal back to like new
1,000 watt at 80%. Probably should have been at 100%, but since we ourselves were new at the time we weren’t going to question it.
1,500 watt machines are night and day though with what we have privately now.
is that a 1000 watt continuous or pulsed? It looks pulsed to me.@@nicholasjohnson6880
More satisfying than doctor pimple popper!
SET PHASERS TO *CLEAN!*
Question I do alot of paint booth cleaning would something like this work inside a both and most of all would it be safe would love some knowledge
If you’re doing it with an enclosed area, make sure that you have the proper PPE involved both for your eyes and also respirators. Additionally make sure that there are no fable materials nearby either as it will burn through plastic and the lot very quickly.
Further you need to be mindful of where in the shop you are due to the invisible scatter of the beam, so you should be in an area where no one else but the operators can clearly see what’s going on, or have laser curtains to protect the rest of the shop.
Pretty cool but it can't beat a big brush and grease remover
Neat to watch but is it better than solvent, a wire brush, and bead blaster? Also does it etch the metal with lines? Not knocking it. Just curious.
I think it comes to a point based off of what type of laser you were using as well as how much the grime buildup is on the item you were trying to clean.
Personally speaking from lessons learned off the engine block, it’s probably best to get 1500 W laser instead of 1000 W laser that you see inside of the video here. While it did eventually do the job after an hour and some change it could’ve been done a lot more efficient and faster with a 1500 W laser instead. (I estimate 30 minutes) Additionally, to your question on whether or not it etched the metal, no it didn’t. The lines you see are because the individual (as what was pointed out by a few other commenters) was going a bit too fast on the actual device. Instead of being smooth and going back over the lines periodically, they were going straight up and down. The lines that you were seeing being left over grime the refracting mirror was moving a little bit slower than what is needed for it to have a nice smooth clean. (which is corrected by just going over it again just a bit slower and smoother itstead of trying to use it as a pressure washer)
If you go into the shorts part of my channel, you’ll actually see one of the valley pans from the vehicle being worked on with 1500 W laser and see that on the return stroke going up, that the scan lines actually disappear due to the laser actually hitting those slightly missed parts.
->
ua-cam.com/users/shortsT2TnGGPs5XQ?feature=share
Don’t worry about the knocking part, some individuals like their way for reasons, I like it for mine. Especially now that we have properly trained staff, and proper equipment.
@@nicholasjohnson6880 Thank you!
What kind of laser?
1,000 watt non-pulse.
My later videos feature a 1,500 watt.
How much the machine cost , my friend is planning on buying one.
Depends on how much power you want, which brand you go for, and what type of laser they are interested in.
All goes into what industry you want to focus on.
@@nicholasjohnson6880 thanks for replying, he only wants remove rust from his semi truck and get it ready to sell it. What would you recommend?
@traviscole7069 That’s a tough call, I would suggest trying to rent one if it’s a one and done thing. These are very expensive machines even at the lower level models due to the complexity of the internals.
For big projects like a full truck, I would at least recommend a CW 500 watt model, but as mentioned before he more than likely would lose money going the buy outright route.
Check to see if there is a laser service or at least a company you can rent a machine from.
@@nicholasjohnson6880 ok thank you so much. So 5watt would be good? He said he has seen some around $6,000 and he is willing to pay that much
Are you using pulse or continues laser cleaner ?
So the one in this video in particular is a 1000 W continuous model. The ones used on later videos that I have uploaded or 1500 W continuous model as well after our lessons learned in triage of what happened all in this video which wasn’t all bad. It’s just that we thought that we could do better. So we decided to purchase 500 extra watts on top of it, which does the cleaning job properly at 100% for any job but isn’t required and usually has a baseline of 80% on most surfaces.
The only issue that we have had with the continuous laser even at 100% and the sway push down to 30 mm is white painted wood. While while on our tests with metal white paint was easily removed with organic materials, it doesn’t even burn the paint off.
Didn't remove the engine mount ??????
Is the laser etching the block where it burns off the black oil?
It’s not. You would need an extreme amount of power to do that.
I want one!
They’re worth their weight in gold!
How do you charge for a job like this?
We go by time.
$30 every 15 minutes for the small jobs
$120 hourly for the bigger ones.
Plus any transportation fees and taxes necessary.
@@nicholasjohnson6880 I'm sorry I just had to do enough digging I see you've already had to answer this a million x
@ericshover8925 You’re fine. Nothing wrong with asking questions.
@@nicholasjohnson6880 hey can I just contact you through email? I had some more questions.
How about underneath a car ? Fuel lines?
That’s planned, unfortunately been so busy with work I haven’t had the opportunity to do so.
As you need to make sure that the fuel tank is empty, lines are as well, the interior fabric is removed so that the risk of fire ignition is zero.
The biggest problem is that the engine isn’t back yet, and there is no way we will be able to push this out, and then back up hill to get it on the lift.
But once the engine is back in, we do plan on doing that.
what was the total cost including material for the laser?
$12k for the laser
$955 for the generator
$200 ish for masks
@@nicholasjohnson6880why did you need the generator? Can't you run it off a household socket? Also, how much did the company charge you for this job?
There wasn't a 220V hook up available in the shop (The lift was using it) so the generator had to be used.
Yes, if you have a 220V socket in your house you can run it off of there, but as you can probably see, I can't get my car inside of my house, let alone my washroom lol.
$240 for the engine since it was an hour and some change@@911TechDeck
In the end, she turned out nice for just a little bit of time that day
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So, after about 63 jobs you’ve broken even.
@Slithey7433 Depends on the hours of those jobs. (Plus tips if any are received)
(Math shows each job averaging at least 3 hours booked per job would come out to be around 62.5 sessions needed to meet the ROI)
Nice toy, still needs to go in the tank.
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It didn’t need to after an hour under the light.
What is the wattage of the laser?
This one unfortunately was only 1,000 w in the video.
For car restoration with heavy oxidation and cleaning, we personally recommend finding a 1,500 w unit. It works wonders better than what you are seeing in this video. (And with more training behind it as well)
@@nicholasjohnson6880 thanks for getting back to me .
@rvnb1027 Anytime. It’s a dream come true for be regarding rust!
great video. Tell us what laser you use and, if possible, provide the parameters of the laser beam. 🔥
Thank you, I have better ones that have been uploaded using our own 1,500 laser on the channel that are a little better to watch. (They are in the shorts section of the channel)
I cant remember what the brand this was but it was one of the Chinese ones.
Size was stock at 160mm with a speed of 20,000
80% on power in this video if I remember correctly.
how many watt is the laser
This one is 1,000. Through our learning of this video and interaction with the owner, 1,500 is suggested for metal cleaning work.
Where the heck do people get these things. I would love one. Love one to remove rust on things
There are a lot of brands available based off what your budget is. If you google laser cleaner, you will bring the companies that are available.
I'm almost certain that you put so much heat on the piece that you got it out of temper. That laser is for cleaning rust on heavier materials, that is, products that do not risk being damaged by the temperature. For that type of piece, a 200w or 300w pulsed laser is recommended, it does not overheat, the finish is spectacular and the risk of damage is 0%.
Cool!
So, how dangerous is the smoke coming off that?
Air filtration devices are required (along with eye protection due to the wavelength of the laser). Just like using a wire brush to get rust off.
Do it outdoors, problem solved
It doesn’t matter whether you are indoors or
Outdoors, Air Filtration devices are still needed when in close proximity.
Won't be long until the EPA steps in and forces everyone that owns one of these machines to install a crazy expensive air scrubber
Wait until you find out what they are doing with washers, driers and ceiling fans.
Imagine using this laser behind a giant magnifying glass talk about deadly weapons 😂😂
@@sheldonwilliams6153hawaï fire is from laser 💥
Which laser is this?
Since al production is in China we must assume Chineseium
There are actually a lot of laser brands all over the world. Not just machines in China.
@@nerfero I was actually wondering if it was CW or Pulsed.....
@tedzbug07 Pretty sure this was CW.
@@nicholasjohnson6880 Agreed.... When I first watched I want sure.... I've got access to a 1kw CW... Planning to test it out
What is this sorcery?
I gotta get me one of these for my cast iron frying pans.
What if it is used to make toast , bacon or cheese ?
if you like them burnt on top and raw inside
Never knew that was a thing!
Dammmmm !!!!!!
Better videos on the way. We got a bigger and more powerful one than what is seen here in the video.
About 500watts more, total of 1,500.
@@nicholasjohnson6880 So how many W is this that you used?
@@yoanlm1872 1,000 on this video. Specifically, the newer ones are 1,500.
@@nicholasjohnson6880 And what brand is this machine friend? or which ones do you recommend? because I was researching the market and all the ones I see are Chinese and I'm not sure how good they are
@yoanlm1872 So the one we have is a Chinese one (SFX lasers) as there has to be a ROI within our standard research. Of course, they aren’t as high quality as what you will find for the USA ones, but they do the job and we haven’t had any issues.
I highly suggest heading over to the laser cleaning subreddit as there is a lot of fantastic information available there.
I don't mind running the sawmill, but that sure looks like a neat job. I wonder. If you could use that laser as a sawmill blade, it would make some clean cuts. No sawdust. You could rig a water tank to jet water in behind the cut and cool the wood off. Hmmm. If that thing has any range, you could use it to top off dangerous leaning trees without having to climb. (That would be more efficient than my tree topping shotgun idea.)
Unfortunately not, I wouldn’t suggest throwing water on the metal either where you are flashing it due to the light scatter you couldn’t see.
However thin metal is done very quick with minimal heat on the object.
@@nicholasjohnson6880 Hmm. I foresee a cure for cancer, for diabetes. These do exist, but we'll never get them saying, "It can't be done." When did we become so cynical?
Being this powerful it'd be awesome to see in the night sky
Would highly not recommend that lol.
Additionally you don’t see the actual beam on this unless it is incredibly humid or Smokey conditions though.
Cool, but I don't see it replacing the hot tank.
It’s not a commonly available item, so I don’t see it either replacing the hot tank
Star Wors fer sure...
Pew pew
Can you cut price skin grafts.
I want once of This
Where do I get one?
ebay , seriously
Fun tech. You get quite a bit of plasma from greasy bits. I bet it stinks!
Oh no all the negative comments have all been made😢 good demonstration what it can do😊😊.
It is, what it is.
Did get tired of explaining to everyone that “it doesn’t work” and showing them that it came out looking brand new.
But it’s the internet.
technomagy 😍
I hope all you guys were wearing the proper eye protection. If they ever figure out how to make these affordable they are going to blind a lot of people.
ANSI glasses were used.
this bricks me right up, I need one of these LOL
Been wanting one of the handheld 200watt ones since early 2015. Thankfully due to the rapid availability of them and also advancements in technology, the price for a 1,000watt unit (albeit not as portable) is now around the price that they were charging for a 200 back in the day.
Knocks the big chunks off to get it ready for the hot tank.
Must smell nice.
It's a lot cheaper and thorough to buy a USWM blaster, set up, walk away, come back when it's properly clean, than the cost of the laser set up. Unless you are looking to get rid of as much grime and paint as possible before it goes into the blaster.
Edit: I wonder if it removes tattoos? 😅😅😅
Class 4 lasers are indeed utilized to remove tattoos, but obviously this one isn’t one of them lol.
For us we wanted to do this as a side job so we didn’t buy forking out for the device.
@@nicholasjohnson6880 I have read that the fastest growing industry in California at the moment is laser tattoo removal. Apparently it's 3x more painful than the actual tattoo application. Glad I'm an old school clean skin. (so was my wife when we met) 👍😉
@lukewise1227 It is a lot faster than the classic way, but you are using a type of radiation to get rid of the ink.
So while it may hurt a bit more, you’re more than sure that ALL the ink has been ablated.
@@nicholasjohnson6880 I'm an old dude, it's painful just getting up out of bed in the morning, so I don't need to think about inflicting more. Haha.
Same. The less needles in me the better.
the laser looks cool but soda or dry ice blast would be better. i want to see it hit the grease in the thumbnail. big fire
It wasn’t too big of a combustion on it as you would think.
However with Ice you are not getting rid of the rust, and have to purchase media (the dry ice) in order to run it. Which completely defeats the purpose of doing it laser.
However, if you have good paint and only grime under the hood, that is not a bad idea as the laser is going to take everything off.
Here is the before and after of the hour and some change cleaning.
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Nice to watch but I prefer dry ice blasting
the guy needs to learn to clean block first
Lasers are fucking crazy man
I mean,.. when this tool gets scaled up, it will be a 20 second pass, and ready for rebuild.
Anyone who thinks the military doesn’t already have a weaponized version of that is naive at best.
I expected it to work 😂
You should have presure washed it first 😂
Experience on the laser is key to less work
Absolutely, I think the biggest learning curve the the effective distance as that must be learned through muscle memory and eyesight. Takes a few jobs to get a feel for that sweet spot of 3 feet away.
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Seems that it needs another parameters
I think I will stick with a can of Carb Cleaner and a paint brush...
This looks like a job that could be very easily automated.
It’s a very interesting point that you say that. In some parts of the country it is! However those lasers are a lot more powerful than this unit.
Dry ice blasting way better!
For certain applications I can agree, however for getting paint, grime and residual coverings off it’s more of a hassle. That and it isn’t accurate if you need to do small fragile places where you don’t want the medium to hit it with the full force of the ice.
I normally like laser cleaning, but this doesn't look like a good application. The PPE for this would be a nightmare between the stray laser light concerns and the smoke and metal its throwing into the air.
I'm not sure what method I would try if this was me, but laser wouldn't be ot.
Why not just hot tank it? Less energy and probably gets it cleaner
1 hour clean > 5 hours in the tank and having to transport it.
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Hot tank gets it alot cleaner
Huh, looks like he was pretending to be a storm trooper with how far back he was holding the emitter and with how fast he was moving the laser... Jeeze. No wonder it wasnt looking right...
Thanks -- wondering if anyone else was irritated by how far he was away + the fast and random movements.
This is a pulse laser, so if you are too far away and/or moving too fast, it won't remove contaminants fully on any given pass.
Slow down, and move the laser around more precisely.
It's what happens when you give a laser to a guy with OCD ............cannot concentrate on one area only !! @@ripvanwinkle9648
Wait til they are in the middle isle in Lidl Ill get one then
They are doing this with light... think about this!! ☯️
I would totally buy one of these if the price was between 2-3k dollars. Definitely not tens of thousands dollars.
All depends on your location and whether or not you are fine with having it be a used model instead of new.
There are a few groups on Facebook that have used models going for around $5-6k for this amount of Wattage, and cheaper for lower models as well.
Would check the laser cleaning community Facebook groups to see what’s available.
@@nicholasjohnson6880 agreed. I'm also sure these will come down as they become more mainstream.
@@RYTHMICRIOT as they have during the ten year progression of making them better.
God I want one, insane expensive though.😞
not that expensive if you go through some discord servers of sellers, specially the scientific community on there
Buying used is not frowned upon! They have some great deals.
move the laser too fast, that's why it gets stripes. slow and easy no stripes
You just recreated the striations that no one can explain in ancient caves found worldwide. For real, forwarding this to Brien Forrester.
Cleaning a block is more than you can see from the surface.
Oil galleries were filthy. You should have seen the disgusting display of grease overload. Got a full pound of it off just scraping lol.
Would cleaned it better if he’d washed the oil of it first .
Btw it look more satisfying with it on.
The laser is cleaning the oil by sublimating it.
It seems like it requires a lot of electricity and is expensive... it's more efficient with petrol and brushes
With the generator we use, we get 9 hours of usage on average with 93 octane fuel on our 5.5 gallon tank. Current price that we have been paying for gas is $3.40, so for around $20-30, that’s not bad for a full days worth of work.
What a brilliant machine…..weird flame thing it creates. As for those pointless criticism’s. WTF!
They're not pointless. Also it's "criticisms" not "criticism's".
Laser is too weak and the operator going waaaay too fast.
Reason why we bumped it up and got our own.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should! Looks like a big waste of time.
When you have to shave and sandblast for days on end, it makes it’s worth we’ll known.
Sorry it doesn’t interest you.
God that could start a fire real fast I'll bet we wont say anymore 😢 Aloha Peace Be Safe !
My engine block is clean
But my electric bill is $5000
Hot tank works a lot better. This is not very effective at cleaning the outside not to mention it doesn’t clean the passages inside the block.
The last time I saw a ‘laser’ cleaner, it was a scam. The one I paid for never arrived. It takes a lot of power to maker a laser stretch out that far and clean. (sigh)
Sorry you got scammed. Would always check for reviews and placing within the community first before purchasing.
@@nicholasjohnson6880 Thanks for your comment! (and the advice!)
@backpages1 no problem this is something that I’ve actually been wanting to do for quite some, and the technology from 2013 to what it is now has been enhanced tremendously. The whole entire process it’s just so interesting.
Looks like its burning the rubbish off.
Just use a flame and a wire brush.
😯
Clean pattern used is wrong.
The dirt is deep
But the emotional damage is deeper.
I only use mine for wrinkles on my wife
Works wonders on the eyeliner
Too fast! Bro... Relax... XD
He was a bit of an older gentleman, and was trying to do as much as he could it seems.
Molasses would be cheaper, and it would get into the passages that the LASER will not.
I’m more of a Mrs. Buttersworth kind of guy.
$10,000.00 plus for a good 1KW portable laser.
Yep. $12k for our 1.5kw
Should of wash it first for a better result
Yeah I'm good with the old school tank method.