Happy Monday everyone! The wait is finally over and our full review video on the redesigned Forester is now live! While this is still not the quickest or most fuel efficient option in the segment, if you don’t want a complicated hybrid or turbo engine and just want a pure ICE vehicle, it’s hard to beat the combination from this new Forester.
You mentioned the take rate for the old Forester Turbo was not high. The issue with the old Turbo was it used Premium fuel. Put the 2.4 liter turbo from the Outback in it (using regular fuel) and it will sell.
@@JohnDoe-wy2pyif you are looking for longevity and reliability then you probably aren't looking at a Subaru. You'll want a toyota Honda or Mazda. I would put Subarus reliability above Nissan and Mitsubishi. Which isn't saying much.
@@Merticular you are completely out of touch. I have had over 30 Hondas and I am done with them. They have hit the wall. The reliability is in the toilet. The last couple I’ve had are been horrible. I’ve had a few Toyotas. They’ve been perfect other than minor shit they’ve been great. I’ve had four Subarus and last eight years and they’ve all been phenomenal, I will continue to buy Subaru. I’m getting a new outback soon.
@@doug2445 Nah, I'm just stating facts. Subaru reliability Is middle of the road. The stats don't lie. So is their build quality. Complaints of hard to find rattles on new cars is extremely common. And 30 Subarus? If you've been driving for let's say 30 years. That's a new Subaru each year. That doesn't scream reliable to me. More like disposable.
I understand the “ if it’s not broke don’t fix it “ sentiment but seriously? Same basic output and tech? C’mon Subaru. Standard engine? Fine. Make the turbo and a hybrid as an option from the start. Thanks for this vid Sofyan.
They want you to buy the Outback for the turbo. It’s a clear decision to prevent canabalizing sales. For example, If they slapped a turbo in the Crosstrek no one would buy the other 2 for the most part.
@@Hallowsaw not sure which model you have but the steering and suspension of the forester is extremely responsive compared to other vehicles. If it had more power, it’d be a really fun vehicle to drive. I’ve never driven a Mazda but from the reviews, I imagine that’s what it would be like with its handling and more power.
What people still missing the point about Subaru is, most of their models doesn't need to be fast, it just needs to be capable while trying to maintain good fc. Yeah other car might have more power and faster while on the same price, but Subaru drives better on abnormal road conditions.
I traded in my 2020 forester touring as my leased ended. I wanted to get another forester but didn’t want the same thing. I upgraded to the 2023 Outback Wilderness turbo which I love. Not loving the Mpg though. One thing I wasn’t a fan of my forester was that when I drove to visit my cousin he lived on a hilly road and putting power to that thing was like I strangling it to breathe to make it up he hill. Now with my outback it has no issues. When the new Outback gets redesigned I will make the decision if I am staying with Outback or the forester gang. Btw I loved my forester was the best safest car I ever drove.
Owner of a ‘19 Sport w all the options here. I really enjoy my Subie. I’ve actually off-roaded in it, traveled cross-country, commute, you name it. Has been totally trouble-free. This new one does NOT give me “want this” or “ooh an upgrade.” Soooo many shared parts, barely anything new. And IMO they made the Forester uglier w the facelift and even uglier with this “all new” model. I still think the ‘19 serves “unfussy utilitarian boxiness” but that’s all subjective. Curious about if any current owners get any desirous tingles from the new model. Also I know a lot of time has passed and the days of getting a great deal on a new Subaru has passed, but I got my fully fully loaded Sport new for 30k even. I don’t think, if I was in the market today, 40k for this model would be at all tempting.
Yes. Wife owns '22 Forester and loves it, I want to trade in '20 CRV Touring for this. Reasons: 1) 360 camera for parking. Can't see my front end in the CRV 2) Less road noise 3) Aspirated seats in hot climate. 4) Much better stereo. 5) CRV infotainment operation is a mess. 6) This has better ground clearance for flooded streets. I don't care at all about 0-60 times or gas mileage. I'm semi-retired and only put on 8-10K miles a year.
Yes, 2019 Touring; which I will pass down to my son; a.) this is supposed to be 40% more quiet inside, b.) better lane centering, c.) front ventilated seats, d.) two tone interior, e.) I hope it is as trouble free as my 2019 which hasn’t cost me anything these 50k miles later. F.) low roof racks should reduce noise; g.) premium stereo; h.) slightly larger gas tank is fine previous single tank range was very good.
Currently own a 21 Forester Sport and looking to trade in for an Outback XT - love my Forester, but I need some extra refine from the powertrain. This 2.5L F-4 doesn’t cut it for me anymore especially when climbing steep mountain grades.
While I don't know why you did not know this, but on the 2025 Forrester Touring model, both rear outdoor passenger seat sections on each side of the rear bench seat do, in fact recline back. It's just not electronically controlled. So How? There is a black pull strap attached to each seat cushion where the seat back meets with the seat cushion on the door side of each seat. The passenger simply pulls on this strap while gently pushing back. The seat back will then fold backwards to a preset position and lock in place. Not necessarily the ideal angle depending on the height of the passenger, but it does move back to a preset angle. To bring the seat back to the upright position again, the passenger simply pulls on the same strap. That again releases the seat from It's locked position. And then it springs back to the upright position and again, locks in place. Because both reclining and uprighting the seat back is not electrically controlled, the only two caveats to performing these positions are that the passenger must press the seat backwards while pulling the strap to lock it into the reclined position, and the passenger must lean forward a bit so that the spring-loaded back is allowed to move back to the upright position. They also need to remember to release the strap immediately after tugging on it so the seat can lock in place in either position. I hope this info helps to clarify this concern.
Everyone: Please update the gauges they are ancient! Subaru: So here’s a giant washed out playskool center screen, we also put your hvac controls in it and took away the physical buttons.
It’s just gauge cluster, no body would put climate control in gauge cluster. Just admit the Subaru gauge cluster is dated, Subaru Levorg from other markets has digital gauge cluster
If they are still using the dog of an engine who really cares about the cluster? They really need to prioritize performance and efficiency first then they can tackle all the tech. It’s subaru, it’s a small company, it’s going to be slow on massive updates but good grief the hybrid can’t come soon enough.
I hate the single exhaust tip, outback and crosstrek has hidden exhaust that is so much better !! Dual tips would have looked better but for a Forester with simple engine, WHY Duals?? So what I think, just hide the exhaust.
Upscale? You misspelled "upsell." Heated AND ventilated seats are one of those things that should be standard across all new vehicle models over $35k or so at this point. Everything about this refresh rubs me the wrong way; the Forester peaked for the 2018 model year with the Eyesight equipped XT's and it's been going downhill since.
Your 0-60 test is proof that the Forester needs a turbo. Many people have Foresters in mountain areas and they suffer tremendously since the naturally aspirated engine can’t help the car breathe in the thin air.
At $41,400 we are in BMW X1 territory with 28/35mpg and 0-60mph at under 6s. Roomy, nimble, quick, quiet. The Forester is smoother riding and uses regular gas. That’s your plusses.
You left out the repair costs on a BMW and any German vehicle for that matter. Way too much. I will take Asia's repair costs any day over German vehicles.
@@Hallowsaw that’s not new MSRP. Apples to oranges. Cars are expensive and for 41k I probably wouldn’t get a touring. A current 2024 wilderness is 38k MSRP and people seem to be okay with that.
I own a decade old XT Forester. I had a 2023 Wilderness as a loaner, from the dealership, and I can say no turbo, no way. Paying this kind of money for a Subaru, I expect it to actually move, instead of just rolling.
That powertrain is really dated at this point and they need to do better. They really need to add a hybrid to better compete with Honda and Toyota. I consistently break 40mpg in my hybrid CRV. The Subaru manages to be behind in both power and MPG.
Sub design, looks like an Explorer. An Engine, that can’t get out of its own way. 0 to 60 with one passenger and it takes over 10 seconds. That’s not underpowered, that’s dangerous. Imagine it packed with a family and all their stuff? As a former Subaru owner, I’m really disappointed. I won’t even start with a CVT thing.
Excellent overview. For me it comes down to the Forester vs the CRV. Both at about the same price at the top trim I believe. Agreed, a hybrid should have been introduced at the initial offering; faster and better gas mileage. Maybe not enough incentive as is to trade in our 2019 Forester Limited.
I think 180 Horsepower is quite bad for a $41K car. I love Subaru, but a lack of power is so bad. Imagine filling this car up with two or three kids and camping gear, and then try climbing up to the mountains, a little extra horsepower would be appreciated. I think for this car's weight, 180 is not adequate unless you are a 1000 years old and drive 55 in a 65 zone
I dont understand manufacturers fascination with going to 19 and 20 inch wheels. This SUV isnt for the track, I'm buying it to go on unpaved roads and mild offroad. I value smooth ride over razor sharp handling, plus I don't want bent rims or flats do to low profile tires, when I hit potholes on rough roads or trails.
Sorry; but, your acceleration testing at 3,800 feet is only 3/4 of a mile above sea level. So, at 5,280 feet (mile high), I would expect the 2025 Forester to take closer to 12 seconds to get from 0-60. Back in 2016, we purchased a Subaru Forester XT (turbo) to deal with our home's elevation of 5,100 feet...Plus, it is still reasonably strong at 8,000 feet. Was waiting for the 2025 model to replace it; but, I suppose we should be looking elsewhere. Regardless, you are still the best vehicle reviewer in all of UA-cam. Keep it up!
Great review on the Subaru Forester as usual. I currently drive a Rav 4. I will patiently wait or the turbo charged version of the Forester to come out. Also @theredline , what is the name of the bag in the trunk to the left with the water bottle in it. I like the hard top and front, thinking of upgrading my bag or work.
I have owned two Foresters, now that you can't have turbo on them I switched to the Outback Wilderness. I don't miss the Forester at all! They did everything right in the Outback Wilderness instead of waiting go test drive one to see what I am talking about. Mind you I did this grudgingly! I hated the fact that there is no turbo option, love the Forester XT but getting long in the tooth! Well no turning back now the Outback Wilderness is simply amazing!
Still looks a few years behind the competition but so does VW. Anyways I miss the early/mid 2010’s XT trim. That was a fun suv to drive. For $40k i expect more power
It needs more power, at least 10% more to account for increase in weight over the years since the introduction of the FB engine in 2011. Even then, it’d still feel slow.
The SUV was never meant to be a race car. The 8.5 0-60 is not really slow. It will not challenge a current Corvette, though in 1985 & 86 the 0-60 would match the Corvette V8. If packed with gear and four people inside, while being at 5,000 foot elevation, you might have a problem. I guess at that point the turbo is needed, and I will agree with you. Of course the gas mileage goes down and long term reliability might go down -- hard to say.
As a high mileage Outback owner, I have been waiting for the new Forester Wilderness, equipped preferably with a Hybrid drivetrain, while keeping the fabulous symmetrical all wheel drive I have loved for over 219,000 miles...But please, not another E power awd... I want the ICE connected to the rear differential.
So glad I got the 2017 Outback, just before the steering wheel redesign and the eventual move to side by side cup holders (for some reason cup holders are a pet peeve of mine). I also got the base model (25k) which didn't have the eye sight tech, I can drive myself thank you. In this Forester I like the rear view camera and things like blind spot and cross path detection, but other stuff like giant screens and start/stop engine is just annoying. And I'll take physical controls over screen controls any day of the week. I would also want to see the rear seats lay completely flat like my Outback, probably just keep it forever.
I had a 2021 Outback. My biggest complaint was with the infotainment unit, sometimes the screen would go black. I had a 2022 Crosstrek with a different infotainment unit, no issues with it. Bigger is not always better!
Underpowered and a poor value. The turbocharged boxer engine should be standard. At 3800 lbs with a full tank of gas ⛽️, the NA boxer and a CVT just isn't enough power 😢
This thing looks like its inflated. Even the d-pillar looks like it's splitting from being inflated. It's 10+ seconds to 60 for 40k? That's a hard "No".
I love the Forester. Owned one for 13 years. I don't like the nose on this. Looks like an old Ford Edge. But I'll probably buy the hybrid when it comes out anyway. It's perfect for my use cases.
The rear seats do offer a recline function. There is a pull tab to the left of the seat on the bottom seated portion and a pull tab to the right on the right seat very odd location but they do recline quit a bit check them out
I bought 2024 Forester few weeks ago (my 3rd Subaru). I knew 2025 has a bigger info display. Unfortunately, Subaru did a really poor job on designing the user interface and they actually made it harder to use. Honda and Toyota are bringing back hard buttons and dials for temp control and air flow control as they realized making them all digital was a bad idea (even though it looked cool in the beginning like Tesla models). So I bought 2024 model to have the real buttons. Plus the Subaru's info screen has a slow responsiveness and it's a bit sluggish. I don't even know where Subaru have found such a poor hardware and software in these day. Even $200 Android table has better responsiveness. But I still like Subaru and that's why I bought 2024 Forester. I can see the nice things in 2025 Forester: Better noise dampening. 3 eye sight cameras. More classical look. I hope Subaru do better job on the info system.
After doing thorough shopping around my area, forester pricing is still very competitive for standard AWD and equipment compared to Hondas and Toyotas, the design is a bit controversial but I think people will get used to it.
Huge upgrade in the quality and capability of the electronics i think is the big change. Definitely would wait on the hybrid version which has been on the road in Australia for some time now. Great all around vehicle(still if not best ever) but a hybrid model would be confidence inspiring given the price point and typical weighing down as a Family people mover machine. Verdict: yep, looks like a Ford Explorer...just isn't a Ford Explorer which is what everyone will be buying instead.
Imagine merging in to 70 mph traffic in some states thats about 13 sec to merge into traffic that’s dangerous, outrageous cars should have a minimum 0-60 of at least 8 sec to 60 nowadays.
So CRV is the only compact SUV that still doesn’t offer 360 camera? As a Honda fan, it disappoints me so much, also, Forester now has ventilated seats as well. So Honda really needs to step up and offer more features on CRV.
I recently was able to sit in one of these newer Subaru vehicles with that size of center screen, but what I found to be problematic with it is the portrait orientation. Seems nice, but the size of the backup camera screen, in effect, is the same size as my 2014 Civic's screen. I'd prefer a horizontal style screen for larger viewing. Seemed to be quick to response, though.
Good .... I lived at 6100 feet in Montana and am on my 4th Forester ... Montana is Subaru country ! Just need a washer on the front camera ... Take a look at the Ascent
Every 10 years or so I come back to see if anything has changed in Subaru world, but not. Same 30 year old engine, now crappy CVT mated to it, interior about 10 years behind competition and still ugly on the outside. Yep, they are still doing it. It's amazing that people continue to buy those vehicles.
We can confirm Subaru is the least advanced car company in America. But I will say they are still one of the safest brand to drive. That’s about it for Subaru. They have nothing else they can pitch for sales.
@@letzgow6110 The only people that are buying those cars are long time brand loyalists for life and young kids getting WRX. They have no way to attract new customers. This is not 1980's, anyone coming from a half decent car after sitting in one of their cars will leave. Most of customers buy with emotions, those cars don't invoke any. That company has no vision, stuck with the same worn out motto for ages. What they project as "rugged" is a combination of bad looks, hard plastics, cheap materials and bad infotainment. Reliability is also not there, from imminent head gasket failures, coolant leaks to oil consumption and now excess RTV in oil pan seal getting sucked into engine. I get it that they don't have resources of big car companies. but instead of making 10 crappy models, they should make 3-4 excellent and innovative ones and build from there, otherwise they will be stuck in the same loop making mediocre people movers forever. Look at Koreans, they dug themselves from bottom of the pack, overcoming bad reputation and are now cranking highly desirable vehicles that have style, comfort and technology. Sure they have some duds (2.5 is a dog) and their dealership service is an utter disgrace but their 1.6T and hybrid models are pretty good.
@@letzgow6110 they have the best awd system of any non luxury brand. Their shape is very practical and easy to see out of. Sensible things that people like.
Digital gauge cluster is needed, but that 11.3 inch screen also seems dated, yes, we need a big screen, but not bake climate controls into the screen, accord is a good example what manufacturers should be doing for a big screen. It has 12.3 inch screen, but also has all the climate control knobs and buttons.
1. Forester Touring has dual mode xmode, not single mode. Deep snow and mud is dual mode. 2. Forester is not 1st Subaru to get 360° camera, Ascent already has it on top 2 trims, Limited and Touring.
To make it a dream car Subaru needs to fix front/rear design, bring back XT engine, make it a bit longer to be sleepable, bring back control knobs, get rid of shiny plastic inside. Not asking about the CVT, this probably will never go away.
Another great review Sofyan. Thank you for that. But, lost interest in the middle of the video due to Subaru misses in this new 6th gen Forster. Thank you!!! I have a 3rd generation, 2011 Forester XT Touring. I have to say the last generation, 4th, has kept its value as in resale. But, not worth the upgrade for me to get the last 2018 Forester XT Touring with turbo boxer. Besides the "new" tech and safety features not worth the $41K with a puny engine. Another disappointing generation, 6th gen. Way to go Subaru. You know what would be nice. If Subaru would put a Turbo boxer engine with hybrid in the Forester Wilderness edition.
As a Forester XT guy myself, I simply switched to the Outback Wilderness, and let me say there is no going back! Go drive one to see, especially as a Forester XT guy, your going to love it. It is everything you dreamed of when you got the XT but more! So much more refined and everything is simply better. Just do yourself a favor go drive one to see for yourself.
Sorry, this thing is snail slow. It is way too underpowered. If you are merging onto the highway, trying to pass (especially in a mountain type of environment) you are living dangerously with this low power output.
@@NoName-gv6nm Been driving for a long time pal. Probably longer than have been alive. I've lived in the busiest cities with the heaviest traffic. I grew up spending a lot of time in the mountains driving in various conditions. I know a thing or two about driving and the power that is required at altitude to merge and tow trailers. Sounds like you probably own one of these weak ass Foresters or something similar.
I just picked up a Premium (MSRP 35k). I also test drove the 1.5L turbo CRV. Both on paper and in reality, CRV does not feel much faster. I feel the reviewer makes the viewer feel like the Forester is just horribly, insanely slow compared to its competitors. And its really not. I was worried but test drive alleviated those worries. (But i am also coming from an Outback with an older version of the same engine). So i guess what im saying is if your drove you current 250hp car to the test drive, yeah thr Forester is gonna feel slow. But a Lamborghini probably feels slow to a F1 driver so its all relative. I keep my cars. My outback has 393k on it. I was worried about the longevity of a turbod engine so i went with the Forester. Overall, im happy about it.
@@xlprincess123567 Hopefully Subaru will also release decent hybrids/ EVs in the future. shame the legacy was discontinued. they should have offered it as a hybrid along with the crosstrek.
looks nice and would have considered it, but power is just not enough. Something like this, you need about 250 hp to move it around. Merging into highways will be difficult with 180 hp
Said before (here) and I'll say it again: Subaru please drop your ancient N/A engines and bring in the 1.6 Turbo engine from other markets tuned at about 160hp for Imprezas/Crosstreks and also offer a 200hp version of the 2.0 Turbo for vehicles like this Forester and the base Outback
I feel like Subaru needs to shift the whole brand. People want looks, tech, high performance engine, comfort. The car looks the same, same engine really and why is it slow for an SUV. I understand the brand is all about efficiency and simplicity but the market changes quickly. That new outlander is nice and comes with quite a lot at its price poiny
Happy Monday everyone! The wait is finally over and our full review video on the redesigned Forester is now live! While this is still not the quickest or most fuel efficient option in the segment, if you don’t want a complicated hybrid or turbo engine and just want a pure ICE vehicle, it’s hard to beat the combination from this new Forester.
Love your intros. Love how the intro music builds up. 😀
You mentioned the take rate for the old Forester Turbo was not high. The issue with the old Turbo was it used Premium fuel. Put the 2.4 liter turbo from the Outback in it (using regular fuel) and it will sell.
Some of us that want to keep our cars long term prefer to not have a turbo.
@@JohnDoe-wy2pyif you are looking for longevity and reliability then you probably aren't looking at a Subaru. You'll want a toyota Honda or Mazda. I would put Subarus reliability above Nissan and Mitsubishi. Which isn't saying much.
@@Merticular you are completely out of touch. I have had over 30 Hondas and I am done with them. They have hit the wall. The reliability is in the toilet. The last couple I’ve had are been horrible. I’ve had a few Toyotas. They’ve been perfect other than minor shit they’ve been great. I’ve had four Subarus and last eight years and they’ve all been phenomenal, I will continue to buy Subaru. I’m getting a new outback soon.
@@doug2445 Nah, I'm just stating facts. Subaru reliability Is middle of the road. The stats don't lie. So is their build quality. Complaints of hard to find rattles on new cars is extremely common.
And 30 Subarus? If you've been driving for let's say 30 years. That's a new Subaru each year. That doesn't scream reliable to me. More like disposable.
@@Merticulartheir comment says 30 Hondas, not 30 subarus
I understand the “ if it’s not broke don’t fix it “ sentiment but seriously? Same basic output and tech? C’mon Subaru. Standard engine? Fine. Make the turbo and a hybrid as an option from the start. Thanks for this vid Sofyan.
They want you to buy the Outback for the turbo.
It’s a clear decision to prevent canabalizing sales.
For example,
If they slapped a turbo in the Crosstrek no one would buy the other 2 for the most part.
Wife has a 2017 forester touring. Best feature is handling. Worst is lack of power. Doesn’t appear Subaru has fixed that problem
Handling? Subarus are boats... that is the reason i bought mine.
@@Hallowsaw not sure which model you have but the steering and suspension of the forester is extremely responsive compared to other vehicles. If it had more power, it’d be a really fun vehicle to drive. I’ve never driven a Mazda but from the reviews, I imagine that’s what it would be like with its handling and more power.
@@digital_0630Compact economy suv is not meant for power Sherlock
$41K for a luxury Forester but still only 180 hp? That is absurd. Like Sofyan said, Forester buyers don't buy this car for speed, but c'mon.
It's an engine that works you're not even buying it so why does it matter you're just a hater
@@truckercowboyed2638 lmao ok Karen.
To me it’s not about speed but efficiency. The speed would just come from receiving a good hybrid.
Lol yea an engine that works slow…try to pass someone and barely make it and sound like the motor is gonna blow up in the process
At that price point you're better off with the CR-V/RAV-4 Hybrid, more power and better gas mileage
What people still missing the point about Subaru is, most of their models doesn't need to be fast, it just needs to be capable while trying to maintain good fc. Yeah other car might have more power and faster while on the same price, but Subaru drives better on abnormal road conditions.
I traded in my 2020 forester touring as my leased ended. I wanted to get another forester but didn’t want the same thing. I upgraded to the 2023 Outback Wilderness turbo which I love. Not loving the Mpg though. One thing I wasn’t a fan of my forester was that when I drove to visit my cousin he lived on a hilly road and putting power to that thing was like I strangling it to breathe to make it up he hill. Now with my outback it has no issues. When the new Outback gets redesigned I will make the decision if I am staying with Outback or the forester gang. Btw I loved my forester was the best safest car I ever drove.
It really looks like an Explorer in the front
You beat me to this comment
But also completely different. Do a proper comparison and then post an accurate interpretation
With a new but uglier Pilot in the back
Thought the same thing.
@@drivinginthedcbaareaMitsubishi outlander from the back
Owner of a ‘19 Sport w all the options here. I really enjoy my Subie. I’ve actually off-roaded in it, traveled cross-country, commute, you name it. Has been totally trouble-free. This new one does NOT give me “want this” or “ooh an upgrade.” Soooo many shared parts, barely anything new. And IMO they made the Forester uglier w the facelift and even uglier with this “all new” model. I still think the ‘19 serves “unfussy utilitarian boxiness” but that’s all subjective. Curious about if any current owners get any desirous tingles from the new model. Also I know a lot of time has passed and the days of getting a great deal on a new Subaru has passed, but I got my fully fully loaded Sport new for 30k even. I don’t think, if I was in the market today, 40k for this model would be at all tempting.
Yes. Wife owns '22 Forester and loves it, I want to trade in '20 CRV Touring for this. Reasons: 1) 360 camera for parking. Can't see my front end in the CRV 2) Less road noise 3) Aspirated seats in hot climate. 4) Much better stereo. 5) CRV infotainment operation is a mess. 6) This has better ground clearance for flooded streets. I don't care at all about 0-60 times or gas mileage. I'm semi-retired and only put on 8-10K miles a year.
Yes, 2019 Touring; which I will pass down to my son; a.) this is supposed to be 40% more quiet inside, b.) better lane centering, c.) front ventilated seats, d.) two tone interior, e.) I hope it is as trouble free as my 2019 which hasn’t cost me anything these 50k miles later. F.) low roof racks should reduce noise; g.) premium stereo; h.) slightly larger gas tank is fine previous single tank range was very good.
Spare tire is in the cargo hold. It's below the Styrofoam divider
Currently own a 21 Forester Sport and looking to trade in for an Outback XT - love my Forester, but I need some extra refine from the powertrain. This 2.5L F-4 doesn’t cut it for me anymore especially when climbing steep mountain grades.
Yeah .. last 2 models were much nicer looking ...and the station wagon look of the butt hanging off the rear wheels isn't appealing
While I don't know why you did not know this, but on the 2025 Forrester Touring model, both rear outdoor passenger seat sections on each side of the rear bench seat do, in fact recline back. It's just not electronically controlled. So How? There is a black pull strap attached to each seat cushion where the seat back meets with the seat cushion on the door side of each seat. The passenger simply pulls on this strap while gently pushing back. The seat back will then fold backwards to a preset position and lock in place. Not necessarily the ideal angle depending on the height of the passenger, but it does move back to a preset angle. To bring the seat back to the upright position again, the passenger simply pulls on the same strap. That again releases the seat from It's locked position. And then it springs back to the upright position and again, locks in place. Because both reclining and uprighting the seat back is not electrically controlled, the only two caveats to performing these positions are that the passenger must press the seat backwards while pulling the strap to lock it into the reclined position, and the passenger must lean forward a bit so that the spring-loaded back is allowed to move back to the upright position. They also need to remember to release the strap immediately after tugging on it so the seat can lock in place in either position. I hope this info helps to clarify this concern.
Everyone: Please update the gauges they are ancient!
Subaru: So here’s a giant washed out playskool center screen, we also put your hvac controls in it and took away the physical buttons.
It’s just gauge cluster, no body would put climate control in gauge cluster. Just admit the Subaru gauge cluster is dated, Subaru Levorg from other markets has digital gauge cluster
If they are still using the dog of an engine who really cares about the cluster? They really need to prioritize performance and efficiency first then they can tackle all the tech. It’s subaru, it’s a small company, it’s going to be slow on massive updates but good grief the hybrid can’t come soon enough.
@@blackwhirlwind1245 I'm afraid you missed the entire point
FUGLY is the first thing that comes to mind. This is from a 4 time Outback owner and current owner of a 2019 Outback.
As an outback owner you have no taste so you can’t tell a good redesign from bad. Nuff said
Outback is not fugly ? 😂
Outback is a station wagon. No thanks!!!!!!!
I can’t believe they aren’t offering the 2.4 engine (not to mention the 2.4 turbo). No reason to trade in my 2017 Forester XT at this point.
Same. Keeping my 2018 XT Touring until I see what the hybrid brings. I cannot deal with the 2.5 NA.
I hate the single exhaust tip, outback and crosstrek has hidden exhaust that is so much better !! Dual tips would have looked better but for a Forester with simple engine, WHY Duals?? So what I think, just hide the exhaust.
Upscale? You misspelled "upsell." Heated AND ventilated seats are one of those things that should be standard across all new vehicle models over $35k or so at this point. Everything about this refresh rubs me the wrong way; the Forester peaked for the 2018 model year with the Eyesight equipped XT's and it's been going downhill since.
Your 0-60 test is proof that the Forester needs a turbo. Many people have Foresters in mountain areas and they suffer tremendously since the naturally aspirated engine can’t help the car breathe in the thin air.
Some of us that want to keep our cars long term prefer to not have a turbo.
For being one of "Subaru's best selling nameplates", it sure feels like it has always been, and continues to be THE afterthought of the whole brand.
At $41,400 we are in BMW X1 territory with 28/35mpg and 0-60mph at under 6s. Roomy, nimble, quick, quiet. The Forester is smoother riding and uses regular gas. That’s your plusses.
You left out the repair costs on a BMW and any German vehicle for that matter. Way too much. I will take Asia's repair costs any day over German vehicles.
Don't care about the 0-60 but that 40k price tag is not settling with me. You can buy a 24 ascent for $41k or an outback, etc.
That’s a base ascent. The touring (same trim as this) is going to be 52k. Outback is a little closer though. ~45k
Touring trim, though? Nah
@@eoak134nah man you can get a just barely broken in ascent touring for 40-45k 2024.
@@Hallowsaw that’s not new MSRP. Apples to oranges.
Cars are expensive and for 41k I probably wouldn’t get a touring. A current 2024 wilderness is 38k MSRP and people seem to be okay with that.
I own a decade old XT Forester. I had a 2023 Wilderness as a loaner, from the dealership, and I can say no turbo, no way. Paying this kind of money for a Subaru, I expect it to actually move, instead of just rolling.
That powertrain is really dated at this point and they need to do better. They really need to add a hybrid to better compete with Honda and Toyota. I consistently break 40mpg in my hybrid CRV. The Subaru manages to be behind in both power and MPG.
Sub design, looks like an Explorer. An Engine, that can’t get out of its own way. 0 to 60 with one passenger and it takes over 10 seconds. That’s not underpowered, that’s dangerous. Imagine it packed with a family and all their stuff? As a former Subaru owner, I’m really disappointed. I won’t even start with a CVT thing.
The front looks like a mid 2010's Explorer.
That's an insult to Ford's design team 😂 not sure how Subaru approved this design.
Sought after is a stretch. What is the backup for this statement?
Excellent overview. For me it comes down to the Forester vs the CRV. Both at about the same price at the top trim I believe. Agreed, a hybrid should have been introduced at the initial offering; faster and better gas mileage. Maybe not enough incentive as is to trade in our 2019 Forester Limited.
I think 180 Horsepower is quite bad for a $41K car. I love Subaru, but a lack of power is so bad. Imagine filling this car up with two or three kids and camping gear, and then try climbing up to the mountains, a little extra horsepower would be appreciated. I think for this car's weight, 180 is not adequate unless you are a 1000 years old and drive 55 in a 65 zone
Spend 5k more and get a crown signia with over 200hp and you will get all that money back over its lifetime in gas mileage
@Hallowsaw doesn't the crown use toyotas e awd? That is basically worthless lol
I dont understand manufacturers fascination with going to 19 and 20 inch wheels. This SUV isnt for the track, I'm buying it to go on unpaved roads and mild offroad. I value smooth ride over razor sharp handling, plus I don't want bent rims or flats do to low profile tires, when I hit potholes on rough roads or trails.
New camera operator? Those focus pulls were wild!
Sorry; but, your acceleration testing at 3,800 feet is only 3/4 of a mile above sea level. So, at 5,280 feet (mile high), I would expect the 2025 Forester to take closer to 12 seconds to get from 0-60. Back in 2016, we purchased a Subaru Forester XT (turbo) to deal with our home's elevation of 5,100 feet...Plus, it is still reasonably strong at 8,000 feet. Was waiting for the 2025 model to replace it; but, I suppose we should be looking elsewhere. Regardless, you are still the best vehicle reviewer in all of UA-cam. Keep it up!
this is way too slow for a 40K+ car. It might be the slowest 40K+ car in the market.
Who cares it's an SUV not a race car some people like a regular slow car......you sound ignorant
@@truckercowboyed2638i get where you’re coming from but i drive a 10 year old volvo wagon that can hit 60 in 6.5
Just the right car for teen drivers.
@@nateb7793 ok an 18 years old 06 Forester STI can hit 0-60 in 5.2 sec.....
@@royaltyallen1162 not my point but k
congratz on a 1M!!
Great review on the Subaru Forester as usual. I currently drive a Rav 4. I will patiently wait or the turbo charged version of the Forester to come out. Also @theredline , what is the name of the bag in the trunk to the left with the water bottle in it. I like the hard top and front, thinking of upgrading my bag or work.
I have owned two Foresters, now that you can't have turbo on them I switched to the Outback Wilderness. I don't miss the Forester at all! They did everything right in the Outback Wilderness instead of waiting go test drive one to see what I am talking about. Mind you I did this grudgingly! I hated the fact that there is no turbo option, love the Forester XT but getting long in the tooth! Well no turning back now the Outback Wilderness is simply amazing!
Still looks a few years behind the competition but so does VW. Anyways I miss the early/mid 2010’s XT trim. That was a fun suv to drive. For $40k i expect more power
It needs more power, at least 10% more to account for increase in weight over the years since the introduction of the FB engine in 2011. Even then, it’d still feel slow.
Great vehicle! Subpar engine. Cmon, Subaru!
The SUV was never meant to be a race car. The 8.5 0-60 is not really slow. It will not challenge a current Corvette, though in 1985 & 86 the 0-60 would match the Corvette V8. If packed with gear and four people inside, while being at 5,000 foot elevation, you might have a problem. I guess at that point the turbo is needed, and I will agree with you. Of course the gas mileage goes down and long term reliability might go down -- hard to say.
Great review!
Nice review, good job
As a high mileage Outback owner, I have been waiting for the new Forester Wilderness, equipped preferably with a Hybrid drivetrain, while keeping the fabulous symmetrical all wheel drive I have loved for over 219,000 miles...But please, not another E power awd... I want the ICE connected to the rear differential.
It kind of looks like a Ford Explorer as it is right now. Wish it offered an XT trim. I'm spoiled by the 268 HP my WRX has.
So glad I got the 2017 Outback, just before the steering wheel redesign and the eventual move to side by side cup holders (for some reason cup holders are a pet peeve of mine). I also got the base model (25k) which didn't have the eye sight tech, I can drive myself thank you.
In this Forester I like the rear view camera and things like blind spot and cross path detection, but other stuff like giant screens and start/stop engine is just annoying. And I'll take physical controls over screen controls any day of the week. I would also want to see the rear seats lay completely flat like my Outback, probably just keep it forever.
I had a 2021 Outback. My biggest complaint was with the infotainment unit, sometimes the screen would go black. I had a 2022 Crosstrek with a different infotainment unit, no issues with it. Bigger is not always better!
Underpowered and a poor value. The turbocharged boxer engine should be standard. At 3800 lbs with a full tank of gas ⛽️, the NA boxer and a CVT just isn't enough power 😢
10 seconds 0 to 60? Is that correct??
At 4000 feet elevation
Subaru makes great autos for the price in the lower trims.
At 5 7 im sure you indeed have a ton of space back there 😂
There you have it ya'll, 10-second car!
This thing looks like its inflated. Even the d-pillar looks like it's splitting from being inflated.
It's 10+ seconds to 60 for 40k? That's a hard "No".
He said he was at 4,000 ft above sea level!
Does the different wheels between limited and touring (I believe 18 and 19 inch rims) make a big difference in ride quality?
There's one thing I do like about my 2010 versus this one when you open the engine bay they give you the struts this one you have to prop the hood up
Auto Stop/Start, is it any better or is it still jarring/abrupt?
Turn the stupid thing off each time -- problem solved.
Seriously 0-60 in 10 seconds who’s in charge at Subaru is working against the company in my opinion.
Hold off on buying a 2025. The 26 will have "major' changes.
XT?
@@coreymyers1839hybrid
@@coreymyers1839 We can only hope
@@coreymyers1839 hybrid
Better have a turbo or not interested
I'm a fan of the new body design on the Forester. Super fun to drive too.
I love the Forester. Owned one for 13 years. I don't like the nose on this. Looks like an old Ford Edge. But I'll probably buy the hybrid when it comes out anyway. It's perfect for my use cases.
Can’t imagine paying that much for such an anemic engine.
0-60mph in 10s? Is this car from the ‘90s? Surely that has to be a typo.
I have type 1 diabetes. That emergency stop feature could be life saving if I were to experience a severe hypoglycemic episode while driving.
The rear seats do offer a recline function. There is a pull tab to the left of the seat on the bottom seated portion and a pull tab to the right on the right seat very odd location but they do recline quit a bit check them out
I bought 2024 Forester few weeks ago (my 3rd Subaru). I knew 2025 has a bigger info display. Unfortunately, Subaru did a really poor job on designing the user interface and they actually made it harder to use. Honda and Toyota are bringing back hard buttons and dials for temp control and air flow control as they realized making them all digital was a bad idea (even though it looked cool in the beginning like Tesla models). So I bought 2024 model to have the real buttons. Plus the Subaru's info screen has a slow responsiveness and it's a bit sluggish. I don't even know where Subaru have found such a poor hardware and software in these day. Even $200 Android table has better responsiveness.
But I still like Subaru and that's why I bought 2024 Forester. I can see the nice things in 2025 Forester: Better noise dampening. 3 eye sight cameras. More classical look. I hope Subaru do better job on the info system.
After doing thorough shopping around my area, forester pricing is still very competitive for standard AWD and equipment compared to Hondas and Toyotas, the design is a bit controversial but I think people will get used to it.
Cx-50 or this Forester? Hmmm, both look good but engine CX-50 wins for me , and that for me is a deal breaker
The NA or Turbo?
10 seconds is wild
Huge upgrade in the quality and capability of the electronics i think is the big change. Definitely would wait on the hybrid version which has been on the road in Australia for some time now. Great all around vehicle(still if not best ever) but a hybrid model would be confidence inspiring given the price point and typical weighing down as a Family people mover machine. Verdict: yep, looks like a Ford Explorer...just isn't a Ford Explorer which is what everyone will be buying instead.
which one is more comfortable this 25 Forester or the 24 Outback please?
Rear seats do recline; there’s a string you gotta pull
Imagine merging in to 70 mph traffic in some states thats about 13 sec to merge into traffic that’s dangerous, outrageous cars should have a minimum 0-60 of at least 8 sec to 60 nowadays.
I really like your jacket - what brand is that?
Grandma will love this car. I wish premium package have physical key not push button 😂
So CRV is the only compact SUV that still doesn’t offer 360 camera? As a Honda fan, it disappoints me so much, also, Forester now has ventilated seats as well. So Honda really needs to step up and offer more features on CRV.
No fog lights on CRV is a deal breaker for me.
I recently was able to sit in one of these newer Subaru vehicles with that size of center screen, but what I found to be problematic with it is the portrait orientation. Seems nice, but the size of the backup camera screen, in effect, is the same size as my 2014 Civic's screen. I'd prefer a horizontal style screen for larger viewing. Seemed to be quick to response, though.
Good .... I lived at 6100 feet in Montana and am on my 4th Forester ... Montana is Subaru country ! Just need a washer on the front camera ... Take a look at the Ascent
Every 10 years or so I come back to see if anything has changed in Subaru world, but not. Same 30 year old engine, now crappy CVT mated to it, interior about 10 years behind competition and still ugly on the outside. Yep, they are still doing it. It's amazing that people continue to buy those vehicles.
We can confirm Subaru is the least advanced car company in America. But I will say they are still one of the safest brand to drive. That’s about it for Subaru. They have nothing else they can pitch for sales.
@@letzgow6110 The only people that are buying those cars are long time brand loyalists for life and young kids getting WRX. They have no way to attract new customers.
This is not 1980's, anyone coming from a half decent car after sitting in one of their cars will leave. Most of customers buy with emotions, those cars don't invoke any.
That company has no vision, stuck with the same worn out motto for ages. What they project as "rugged" is a combination of bad looks, hard plastics, cheap materials and bad infotainment. Reliability is also not there, from imminent head gasket failures, coolant leaks to oil consumption and now excess RTV in oil pan seal getting sucked into engine.
I get it that they don't have resources of big car companies. but instead of making 10 crappy models, they should make 3-4 excellent and innovative ones and build from there, otherwise they will be stuck in the same loop making mediocre people movers forever.
Look at Koreans, they dug themselves from bottom of the pack, overcoming bad reputation and are now cranking highly desirable vehicles that have style, comfort and technology. Sure they have some duds (2.5 is a dog) and their dealership service is an utter disgrace but their 1.6T and hybrid models are pretty good.
@@letzgow6110 - Subaru's reliability is mostly above average.
@@letzgow6110 they have the best awd system of any non luxury brand. Their shape is very practical and easy to see out of. Sensible things that people like.
Mazda 3 hathback naturally aspirated 2.5L is 191 HP and 6spd auto! Shove it up Subaru.
Backing you up 👍 not getting my money unless it's got a turbo
The 2025 Subaru Ford Explorer is growing on me.
Man this forester looks good. Definitely a grown up, and sleek look.
Looks good?? Seriously??
Better than the last one? Yea. But that rear end is heinous.
Front looks like an Explorer.
And the back is a 2015 Mitsubishi outlander
I thought the Tiguan was laughably slow for the money. This thing is even slower. That engine really sounds like its struggling
Sounded like it was about to blow😂
I think the new Equinox will be a good competitor as slowest in the segment, as it has 175hp.
OMG, 0-60 in 10 seconds...LMAO, what a shit box!
Probably the nicest forester ever
Love it & want to buy a #Subaru but will only consider hybrid or fully electric vehicle for my next car. So for now, I wait.
Are they ever going to actually change their interior? Fully digital display? Better center console?
Shut up crybaby don't buy it
Digital gauge cluster is needed, but that 11.3 inch screen also seems dated, yes, we need a big screen, but not bake climate controls into the screen, accord is a good example what manufacturers should be doing for a big screen. It has 12.3 inch screen, but also has all the climate control knobs and buttons.
1. Forester Touring has dual mode xmode, not single mode. Deep snow and mud is dual mode.
2. Forester is not 1st Subaru to get 360° camera, Ascent already has it on top 2 trims, Limited and Touring.
To make it a dream car Subaru needs to fix front/rear design, bring back XT engine, make it a bit longer to be sleepable, bring back control knobs, get rid of shiny plastic inside. Not asking about the CVT, this probably will never go away.
There IS a temporary spare tire underneat the storage compartment in the back IF you had lifted up the storage shelf.....
How reliable is the CVT?
Used to sell Subaru and man this thing somehow gotten uglier. Feeling like Subaru is going to have a hard time to stay up to date and relevant.
Another great review Sofyan. Thank you for that. But, lost interest in the middle of the video due to Subaru misses in this new 6th gen Forster. Thank you!!! I have a 3rd generation, 2011 Forester XT Touring. I have to say the last generation, 4th, has kept its value as in resale. But, not worth the upgrade for me to get the last 2018 Forester XT Touring with turbo boxer. Besides the "new" tech and safety features not worth the $41K with a puny engine. Another disappointing generation, 6th gen. Way to go Subaru. You know what would be nice. If Subaru would put a Turbo boxer engine with hybrid in the Forester Wilderness edition.
As a Forester XT guy myself, I simply switched to the Outback Wilderness, and let me say there is no going back! Go drive one to see, especially as a Forester XT guy, your going to love it. It is everything you dreamed of when you got the XT but more! So much more refined and everything is simply better. Just do yourself a favor go drive one to see for yourself.
@11:02 pretty sure the base is still a physical key... which I personally like. push start might be an option tho.
You mentioned that the rear seat doesn't recline...but it does recline. Pull the latch by your thigh.
Sorry, this thing is snail slow. It is way too underpowered. If you are merging onto the highway, trying to pass (especially in a mountain type of environment) you are living dangerously with this low power output.
Leave the mountain, Marty
If you can't merge with this vehicle you're just a bad driver honestly.
@@NoName-gv6nm Been driving for a long time pal. Probably longer than have been alive. I've lived in the busiest cities with the heaviest traffic. I grew up spending a lot of time in the mountains driving in various conditions. I know a thing or two about driving and the power that is required at altitude to merge and tow trailers. Sounds like you probably own one of these weak ass Foresters or something similar.
@@NoName-gv6nm right on 👍
Yeah right, you slept behind the wheel right, MF?
Smaller cargo with seat up from previous gen. Used to be 35+ but now 28. Seat down was 70 now 76
I just picked up a Premium (MSRP 35k). I also test drove the 1.5L turbo CRV. Both on paper and in reality, CRV does not feel much faster. I feel the reviewer makes the viewer feel like the Forester is just horribly, insanely slow compared to its competitors. And its really not. I was worried but test drive alleviated those worries. (But i am also coming from an Outback with an older version of the same engine). So i guess what im saying is if your drove you current 250hp car to the test drive, yeah thr Forester is gonna feel slow. But a Lamborghini probably feels slow to a F1 driver so its all relative.
I keep my cars. My outback has 393k on it. I was worried about the longevity of a turbod engine so i went with the Forester. Overall, im happy about it.
hard pass on the regular forester. will wait for the hybrid and i hope that will be better in torque and MPG
I am waiting as well.
@@xlprincess123567 Hopefully Subaru will also release decent hybrids/ EVs in the future. shame the legacy was discontinued. they should have offered it as a hybrid along with the crosstrek.
10.1 seconds to 60 for a vehicle costing $41k is unacceptable.
my father bought in 2014 the forester xt 240 hp with a price of 45K euro. great auto with an acceptable price considering the performance
looks nice and would have considered it, but power is just not enough. Something like this, you need about 250 hp to move it around. Merging into highways will be difficult with 180 hp
Keep the analog dashboard and odometer, we like it that way, less risk of it failing.
Agreed .. im not even feeling that massive digital chalk board. .
It needs the SpecB legacy dash with the swooping DEFI style gauge cluster
There are some things here that i really like, but wake me up when the hybrid is out.
Said before (here) and I'll say it again: Subaru please drop your ancient N/A engines and bring in the 1.6 Turbo engine from other markets tuned at about 160hp for Imprezas/Crosstreks and also offer a 200hp version of the 2.0 Turbo for vehicles like this Forester and the base Outback
I feel like Subaru needs to shift the whole brand. People want looks, tech, high performance engine, comfort. The car looks the same, same engine really and why is it slow for an SUV.
I understand the brand is all about efficiency and simplicity but the market changes quickly. That new outlander is nice and comes with quite a lot at its price poiny
By people do you mean yourself perhaps?
41K for engine from 2005 lol
In that price range, why didn’t you go for Lexus RX or NX?
This is the colour combination for me. I'm happy with the profile, coming from the SG.