my 2010 Forester died on the FDR bridge at 210,000 miles. The timing belt gave out( I blame my mechanic he had changed it at mile 160) I love my 2023. I love this 2025. Maybe in 2037, my 2023 will give out, and I'll be in the market for a new one. Great video guys!
I purchased my first Subaru ('21 Forester Sport) in October of '21. I really wanted a Rav4 but due to the car shortage I wasn't able to get a new one. With almost three years of ownership I have been pleased with the Forester. It's true that additional power would be nice but it does have "adequate" power. It is VERY practical. I live in N. IL and we receive a fair amount of snow in the winter. Subaru's AWD system is the best AWD system I've ever used. I have almost 60,000 miles on my Forester and other than routine maintenance I have not had any other issues. I have two dogs and do enjoy hiking and camping so the Forester is great for all my outdoor activities. Child car seats are easy to install with the large doors and the cloth seats clean up very easily with any spills or mud from the dogs. Safety is truly job 1 with Subaru to the point I turn some of the safety features off. Will I buy another Forester? IDK, I'll have to evaluate that when the time comes but I certainly would never discourage anyone from purchasing one.
Thanks for the review.... Happy 2018 forester xt owner here as turbo... Owned since day one and zero issues... Waiting out for new turbo 😊 come on Subaru
This is a great vehicle. It gets the job done. It carries its own weight. I appreciate it. You can’t beat the price and it’s great if you’re an active person it’s a safe vehicle too.
We bought a used 2018 Subaru Forester with the non-Turbo engine and eyesight primarily for my mom to use to get to and from work. Its a great runabout suv for in-town errands, but taking it on a roadtrip to Florida after our minivan was out of commission revealed a few inherent flaws that im glad to see the newer models have mostly fixed. The eyesight was really nice over a long roadtrip and actually has me turned off of regular cruise control on my 15 year old CR-V haha. I also really like its tight turning circle and to me despite its 2.5L 4-cyl and CVT, off the line it feels pretty spritley and faster than its quoted 9 second 0-100km/h time. What I dreaded in that Forester was the backseats and it's the one reason I wouldn't recommend the car to anybody travelling regularly with more than two people. It seems Subaru cheaped out on insulating the doors because driving on the highways in December my feet were freezing while sitting in the back. And in the 2018 model year at least it surprisingly didn't have vents for the second row so there was no way to heat up the passenger space in the back. Additionally after awhile of driving the windows would also start to fog up, even with the climate controls up front active and using defrost mode. It seemed like Subaru didn't spend a lot of time testing the Forester for winter usage. Additionally the seats also don't recline back as they're anchored in place to the sides of the car. I guess this is common in a lot of suvs these days (fwiw my 15 year old CR-V has independently reclining seats in the back) but it really made it difficult to nap in the back while on a roadtrip. Some other nitpicky issues I found was a slow to respond power liftgate, memory seats that only remembered the seat adjustment and not the mirror placement. And the front seats I found to be a bit narrow and short in terms of thigh support. TL;DR 2018 Subaru Forester was a fine suv for a single rider or couples but fell short in terms of comfort on longer journeys although it seems most of those issues have been resolved with the new models.
I just purchased a 2025 a couple weeks ago and I really enjoy mine. I don’t know why so many people have harsh comments about this vehicle. It’s great for traveling and town.
I wanted a Forrester when my lease expired on my Venza last June, but the road noise 'drove' me to the Crosstrek. I immediately swapped out the Falcon tires and bought four Continental and then had Ziebart do their soundproofing underneath. Huge 'quiet' difference for this 75 year old. So if the new Forrester version is quieter without having to spend another $1000 to make it so, I'm in when the Crosstrek Limited (I really like this car, by the way). Thanks for your reviews. You two are the best in the market at doing what you do.
Bought a new 2023 Forester and love the suv. Recently, I rented a competitors model to go to the Indy 500. After the trip I was delighted that I bought the Forester over the competition.
My wife spent 30 years in minivans and so when it was time to leave the minivans behind, she moved to a Forester 5 years ago because of the large windows. She has become a Subaru loyalist and I expect to see the 2025 version in our garage in the near future. Great work as always
Thanks for the great reviews.. We were looking for a forester hybrid.. but once it was announced for 2026 we went rav4.. love that you cover Canadian models and the differences..
I feel like the only person that hates giant infotainment screens like this. When that screen inevitably freezes or stops working, now I lose access to everything.
Nah not the only but I do feel the minority. I don’t think people are thinking about software and updates. They’re associating it with Ipads I don’t like it either. It’s going to age cars quicker which maybe the point. Everything is becoming fast-fast fads, fast fashion, fast music….nothing is made to last.
Just check how to reset/restart/reboot it a head of time and put a slip of paper of the steps in your glove box. Also has been a thing for a long time and there really hasn't been a huge outcry about it being a problem.
@@twystedhumourexactly. and the people who always say that a manufacturer should bring back something are not going to buy those vehicles anyway. If people want to see manufacturers add things or bring back certain features, they have to buy them.
My Father has an Forester XT Turbo… he loves it. My Mother drives a Forester Limited… she LOVES hers. My younger Brother drives a Legacy. My other Brother’s wife drives a loaded Impreza. Both swear by them. So obviously I’m somewhat biased. These Subarus truly are great vehicles. But when it comes resale, reliability, dealership network and … the regular commuter… the ‘average’ inner-city person or Family… I’d always recommend the more proven Toyota RAV4. You just can’t go wrong. But for me? I’d probably get a Volkswagen Tiguan… just because I’ve got a fondness for a more German driving experience… despite being less reliable, less practical and would probably hold it’s value less than any Subaru Forester… or Toyota (obviously). Thanks for the video.
It's not ugly. The rear glass being more perpendicular makes this car so much more practical. With 17" wheels for more sidewall, I'm good with this model. It's one of the few SUVs that would get me out of my Camry. I prefer sedans but I sometimes could use an suv.
I got a 2023 Forester after 26 years of Honda Accord. I was ready for a change. I’ve been happy with mine and the utility has been so great. The back seat is also very roomy for passengers.
I have a 2020 Forester and felt that the models were looking more and more dated since then. I like this one. Personally, I chose a Subaru because they’re safe and friends that owned one, loved them. I now own a ‘24 Crosstrek Onyx as well and I love it!
Thanks for the review MM - loved my stay in the ‘Tweed Curtain’ at Cordova Bay with my Australian/Canadian hosts who also encouraged me to visit the Butchart Gardens - here in Australia I’ve owned 12 Subarus but now drive a Toyota Hilux - I’m wondering if the placement of the badges on the rear corner pillars hides a panel gap which means that if you experience a quarter panel crash it’s easier to change the lower panel as you would the front wheel fenders without needing to do body work repairs? - I stopped buying Subarus when they introduced the CVT and stop start ignition system and removed the coolant temp gauge which I see has been reintroduced after 16 years - this gauge omission caused a lot of engine overheating failures because people didn’t think they needed to watch this vital metric because it was buried deep in the instrument menu system - makes sense it looks more like a new RAV4 due to the new strong partnership with Toyota.
More like insufficient power. This car needs more power and Subaru has not been responsive to consumer desires... maybe the hybrid model will bring about that power. Otherwise, I think it is the best compact SUV on the market if Subaru would offer more powertrains.
I do.. I heard two reasons.. 1) less then 5% of Forester sales were the XT 2) name of the game these days has been fuel economy.. but a 3rd) if they can get a "Prime" Forestor (PHEV) with added oomph of an electric drive train culd be a new xt
@@ctclardy The power is fine. We bought a 2023 Forester Wilderness last year and don't miss the turbo engine. It has a Sport Sharp (S#) drive mode if you want to sharpen the response a bit (changes the throttle mapping and when the torque converter locks up), it makes a pretty noticeable improvement. That said, it isn't a sports car and isn't pretending to be one. It's a competent daily driver that does it's intended job very well.
@@ctclardyit is sufficient power. With all the Foresters they sell, the power must be adequate enough. Customers are not asking for more power. Got to remember the audience for this vehicle. People like you who thinks this needs more power is not the target audience. Even if it did offer WRX-like power, would you buy it? Doubt it.
I dropped off my '17 Forester for maintenance at the dealer and they gave me a Legacy GT courtesy car. I drove it home and was like wow this car drives great the engine is very responsive. I took a look under the hood and it was the turbo. I wish they would bring back the turbo to the Forester.
Love it. Test drive the 2024 recently and fell in love. Such great ride quality. Waiting for the 2025 because of the TCV issue. Heard they reverted back to the old, reliable TCV system for the '25.
Yep, Mr Subaru mentioned it’s back to old school thermostat. So no more TCV. Also currently it’s built in Japan but supposedly in 2026 they will build them in Indiana, if that’s a concern, may want to get one sooner than later.
@@GURKS35 It does, but... the TCV is used up to the 2024 models, its why Subaru extended the warranty to 15yrs or 150k miles. They understand the TCV is not a good design and is prone to failures. Ultimately not a good thing, plus its very expensive to replace. Its why a lot of people are relieved its not there in the 2025s and likely going forward. Its just one thing to be careful and aware about and not so much going forward with 2025+ Time will tell in regards to 2023 and 2024 cars - these have a newer superior redesign of the part and sense its pretty new time will tell if or when it happens. Just be aware on these models and keep a eye on it basically.
More reliable, cheaper to repair, cheaper to afford compared to other cars. At least in my current research and finance deals. So it is a pretty good car for the money.
My mom is looking for a new crossover. It’s either the Forester or CRV. Which one would you go with? She’s 60+ and needs 6ft of cargo room with seats folded for transporting her art around, and AWD.
I am 60+ looking for an SUV for carting my art round also and did a test drive of a Forester, CRV and Rav 4. Love the hands free auto tail gate on the Forester better and visibility, Definitely leaning towards Forester especially for visibility driving and tailgate. Did your mom decide?
Thank you for the help! Love the show. Test drove a 2025 Forester Touring and really liked it. Two problems for me. 1. I'm short and adjusted that driver's seat right out of the range of either armrest. I'm a roadtripper, so this is a big deal. Any advice on workarounds? 2. I've got quite the CD collection, and none of the Forester trims have a CD player. Does Subaru offer this as an add-on at all? (Like the CD player in the Outback Touring?) Thanks again
did they resolve the right control arm issue? with the older forester, because of a/c condense water, cause the right control arm damaged after several years
Well built, lots of features for the money and safety for not cheap but good value! They are very reliable and if you have young kids, the safety tech is worth every cent!!! Great show, lots of information and facts to make a useful buying decision.
They're press vehicles, in most cases. The manufacturers supply them. Source: Me. I used to work for Canadian print media and we would get a new vehicle to review, almost every week. My overwhelming favourite, back in the day, was the NSX.
Why the old Forester Turbo did not sell well is because it required Premium fuel (main reason). The Outback and Ascent’s turbo uses regular fuel. We hope it’ll be on the Wilderness version will get that turbo (at least).
@@conceptcs so ford infotaintment is also outdated? its not the vertical orientation rather the design and ui of subaru's infotainment. I really do like Subaru and I do wish they improve the design and ui of their infotainment to make it look more modern at least, it doesn't need to be futuristic looking. I really hope someone talks to a Subaru exec and make the infotainment complaint known to them at the very least. They got good cars, just need to improve the infotainment.
Respecfully disagree. Everyone seems to be using those terrible "tack on" horizontal screens. Terrible layout, IMO. The Subaru ones are much more satisfying to use, and they've improved.
To think you guys were 5 minutes away from my home, up in Bear Mountain, and I could’ve seen you drive around and yelled “Mazdah/Mezda” in the background😂 You guys do such a great job, these videos are not only informative, but also entertaining!
For city folks of shorter stature the Impreza RS has the same next generation e-CVT, WRX suspension, same engine, better gas mileage, sportier interior and cost less, $35k Cdn. The only problem is they don't manufacture many and the dealers don't order many. So they're probably going to discontine the line. The 2025 Forester looks like good value for your dollars in an inflating economy and you have a good chance of getting one.
I think it’s funny how every time she floors the gas or takes a turn, he reminds me of my dad taking my sister out for driving lessons. Like he’s of two minds to shout “slow down” and also reach for his imaginary brake pedal with his foot. Just mannerisms I’ve noticed when he’s in the passenger seat, could be nothing but reminded me of those times lol.
One of my favourite Subaru features is when you flick the cruise control it moves by 5kph. Such a little thing but a real joy for driving in rural southern Ontario - highway then town then highway then town etc.
Another amazing review, thank you so much. I fell out of love in the first 2 minutes when it was floored and the transmission was just howling. I just don’t get who could enjoy that feeling and sound.
When you accelerate from a stop light and really push it, full throttle, the power is sufficient. However, when you are cruising at highway speeds and pass quickly, it has plenty of power and the cabin remains fairly quiet.
I hate that giant screen and the eyesight system. I work at an auto glass replacement shop and eyesight is the bane of our company, we always have issues with it at least 50% of the time when it comes to calibrating eyesight with the new windshield. It can take up to five or six hours from the time we start working on Subarus to calibrating it or even NOT calibrating it. In that case we send the customer to the dealership to figure out what’s wrong. Usually there is a DTC in the ABS or another system that is preventing eyesight from working properly. We had a new Subaru Legacy in for a windshield and that was the problem. It’s why I bought my wife a 2019 Crosstrek without eyesight. The hybrid option would make me consider a Subaru for myself and ignore those two things I hate.
When I test drove my first Forester a month ago I was scared it would be a snail and I wouldn't like it after watching so many videos and people crying about power. I own 4 vehicles and 2 have turbos. I was totally happy with its acceleration. I bought my 2024 Forester Sport that day. The power is fine for the average driver. People just complain about everything I guess.
My first Forester was the XT, then I bought the 2019 (no turbo anymore). I got used t0 the 2.5 atmospheric pretty quickly. Of course if you jump from one to the other you DO see the difference. But for daily driving, that 2.5 atmospheric does the job (and save you quite some gas money). Our second car is Tesla (hello acceleration!!) and I dont cry when I go back to my trusty Forester. I actually love my Forester! Fully agree with your comment “just drive it and you’ll be happy”. PS: The Forester is so much better with AT tires if you do any “not asphalt” roads or towing a bit. Love the Falken AT Trails. Smooth, grips and stiffer/tougher (thicker sidewalls).
AT 7:38: Any diff between "piano black" and "black?" (Note I could have typed "real diff" instead of just "diff" here.) My sister keeps her Baby Steinway glossy-waxed and ALWAYS dust-free btw.
Indeed, Subaru had a CVT back 1970's. And Boxer Engine and Symmetric GearBox that is supposed every car should have. But no matter what CVT is not benefit for Subaru owner but is only profitable for Toyota and Subaru. I hope that Subaru has at least Start gear like Lexus or Rav4 CVT. Otherwise, I can not get back Subaru though my family is "the Subaru" since 1990's.
I had a Turbo 2004 Forester, gave to a daughter, was great and lasted 12 years no issues....I think the 2025 looks great and would pop for one today...if they brought the turbo to the US for the Forester (I don't like the Outback wagonee look.... but does offer the turbo). I too read they might be using the "Toyota hybrid system" in the Forester I guess in 2026...so I think I will wait!
@@andreaspencer9813 TCV thermal control valve. Not CVT. Subaru announced a campaign to extend this part to 15 years/150,000 miles. MrSubaru1387 made a video about it. Per Mr. Subaru, 2025 Forester ditched the TCV.
I've been watching your show since before UA-cam and podcasts were such a big thing but this is my first occasion to write. I purchased a 2019 Forester top trim level in 2019; my first new car and my first Subaru. It replaced a 2008 Santa Fe GL. The appeal of the Forster was the amazing interior room (I'm 6' 4" and over 250 lbs) and exceptional fuel economy ( bordering on twice as good as the Santa Fe). Unfortunately this car has been nothing but problems for me. In the first 3 years of ownership ( at a driving frequency of about 12, 000/yr), these are the problems I've incurred: both side mirror on different occasions stopped working properly, battery draining to dead when sitting more than 5 days, car acting like it was possessed ( alarms going off and having to disconnect battery to shut off, hatch stopping mid-travel and having to close manually not starting), seat memory stopped working, one blown rear HK speaker (I listen to podcasts), battery replacement, slight de-laminating of dash, driver's upholstery stitching disintegrating and one other electrical issue that escapes me. Most of these were covered under warranty. Since it has expired, I have had two more blown rear speakers (one each side) , the audio has failed 4 times (screen works - no sound regardless of source). after the car sits overnight, it seems to work again. And the latest incantation is the head unit turns off and on approx every 8 seconds. The volume knob does not work. I cannot shut it off and leave it off unless I pull the fuse. This means no map/navigation, no radio, no Android Auto, no cell phone. All of the problems I have experienced are not isolated as there seems to be many others with same problem except the seat memory issue (that took them 3 months to troubleshoot and they ultimately just replaced all the parts but charged me labour). But there has been no recall on any of these, just warranty claims of which I no longer qualify. I'm willing to accept some cars just aren't as reliable as others and poor build quality or parts can lead to more repair frequency but there are many things in cars that most have come to accept are reliable for the life of the car or for at least a decade - like radios, paint and steering wheels. I'm convinced that I got a lemon and that Subaru is ethically and legally responsible to put things right. There's no way a car company like Subaru can earn a reputation that it has for reliability and brand loyalty if my experiences with a car that still hasn;t 70,000 kms on it was common. What can I do?
Great info! I’m serious considering trading in my beloved 2021 Forrester Touring (my late husband and I bought it) I’m a senior, who always wanted a Subaru and I actually love my Forrester due to the safety features and window vision. This Will help me I. This is a big help. Thank you!
Really wish Subaru would give the option of audible alerts for blind spot detection; and make the alerts on lane departure and collision detection louder. Seems like a miss for a brand known for safety. Never realized how much I missed it until having a Palisade as a rental and experienced Hyundai’s outstanding driver assist features.
My main question, does the premier top of the line in Canada get the digital rearview mirror? I see you are driving it, but no mention of the rear view mirror, thank you.
I easily would have had a forester by now if there was a turbo option. The hybrid gives me some hope.. maybe when I’m ready to trade in for a new car in 4 years.
Unfortunately, I'm seeing shades of Pontiac Aztek and a lot of Ford Explorer in the front grill treatment. Otherwise, they've gone generic and bland, losing some of the boxy charm that was a Forester mainstay. And the CVT groans on. Give us a PHEV with ECVT, stat!
Was interesting in a Suburu till I heard about the plastic thermo control value. What were they thinking?? Costs thousands to fix, they have extended the warranty on it for the US, I have no idea if they did the same in Canada. Local dealer doesn't seem to know either. Staying away. It will break.
I agree with you and also would add the large screen to that. I wish they'd keep the screen for the entertainment and leave the HVAC controls, seat and wheel heaters to knobs and buttons. I keep vehicles long term and can't imagine how expensive that screen will be to replace when it finally goes. Manufacturers only have to provide parts for 10 yrs for a model, so you'll likely be looking to remans or rebuilds when the time comes. It is so much easier and safer to adjust HVAC with knobs or buttons, it can be done even without taking your eyes off the road, try that with a screen when you have to flip between screens to do a simple adjustment. I noticed Zack and Andrea didn't talk much about the screen and its operation.
I bought the Outback touring XT a couple of months ago, specifically because I wanted the ventilated seats. It was the only model that had it. I would consider a Forester, if it had a turbo model going forward. My wife however is going to be trading in her Nissan rogue for a Forester next year.
I've been driving Subies since 2014 and had 1 Forester & 3 Outbacks. . "Acceleration is sufficient " describes the boxer 2.5i describes it perfectly. Not a lot of get up and go, but I have never felt like I NEEDED more power. I even found it adequate for towing a 2,000 lb bass boat over Cascade Mt passes. Highway fuel economy has been decent in all of them at 28-30 mpg. Both OB & Forrie do everything effortlessly well. OB a bit more comfy due to longer wheelbase. Both swallow an amazing amount of cargo but the OB has a longer cargo area which is why we prefer it. . That said, a Subaru is long over due for a good hybrid.
Love your reviews! I especially like the sequence followed for all reviews starting with the specifics of the vehicle and ending with mileage and cost. If I have one suggestion is that a more realistic presentation of gas mileage be ascertained, for example the Subaru Forester/Outback factory numbers are not supported by the owner/drivers numbers.
Did I see correctly that it now offers rain sensing wipers? Other than the Ascent is this the only Subaru that offers this? Having had it on the last few cars it's a deal killer if it doesn't offer this feature. Love that it now offers ventilated seats? Love the show. Thanks
@@Racermik The Subaru press release for the new Forester states the following: All 2025 Subaru Forester models are assembled at Subaru’s Gunma, Japan, facility.
Hi, Great video, very informative and insightful. In the video you mention that the 2025 Forester could use a bit more power. I am not too concern with power when driver it in the city area but given it is a Forester, curious on how does it perform going up hill and going the mountain pass with changes in elevation? Thanks
Ford Explorer at the front. 2014 Mitsubishi Outlander at the back. It's not a bad look though. I miss 1980s and 1990s Subarus. They were unique, high-quality cars.
My wife has a 2017 2.0XT and before that a 2010 2.5XT. She feels the Forester is the Goldilocks between the Crosstrek and the Outback. Very curious to see if they go with the more performance oriented Toyota hybrid system or the mileage extender. If they go with the hybrid MAX system, I'll be 100% behind her upgrading to a new Forester. Love the low profile rails since we hardly ever use them and they just add to road noise.
Don't mind that at all. I have a 2024 and wish I would have waited for the 2025. The only thing I like more about the 2024 is the analog center controls.
I bought the 2024 Touring model. For me and the wife we’re pretty happy about it. We were looking at the hybrid version but couldn’t wait for it, plus I didn’t want a square model and it looks like a ford.
This gen reminds me of the original 1 and 2nd gen Foresstor's boxy/squarish design.. I always preferred that over the bubbly looks of the previous gens.
my 2010 Forester died on the FDR bridge at 210,000 miles. The timing belt gave out( I blame my mechanic he had changed it at mile 160) I love my 2023. I love this 2025. Maybe in 2037, my 2023 will give out, and I'll be in the market for a new one. Great video guys!
How often would you charge the CVT oil ?
I purchased my first Subaru ('21 Forester Sport) in October of '21. I really wanted a Rav4 but due to the car shortage I wasn't able to get a new one. With almost three years of ownership I have been pleased with the Forester. It's true that additional power would be nice but it does have "adequate" power. It is VERY practical. I live in N. IL and we receive a fair amount of snow in the winter. Subaru's AWD system is the best AWD system I've ever used. I have almost 60,000 miles on my Forester and other than routine maintenance I have not had any other issues. I have two dogs and do enjoy hiking and camping so the Forester is great for all my outdoor activities. Child car seats are easy to install with the large doors and the cloth seats clean up very easily with any spills or mud from the dogs. Safety is truly job 1 with Subaru to the point I turn some of the safety features off. Will I buy another Forester? IDK, I'll have to evaluate that when the time comes but I certainly would never discourage anyone from purchasing one.
Thanks for the review.... Happy 2018 forester xt owner here as turbo... Owned since day one and zero issues... Waiting out for new turbo 😊 come on Subaru
I just got one today. I am happy with it so far thank you
how is the power? Should have waited for the hybrid!
This is a great vehicle. It gets the job done. It carries its own weight. I appreciate it. You can’t beat the price and it’s great if you’re an active person it’s a safe vehicle too.
just made my last payment on my 2019! tempting to get the 2025, but I'll wait. I will get another Forester though. love the video!
We bought a used 2018 Subaru Forester with the non-Turbo engine and eyesight primarily for my mom to use to get to and from work. Its a great runabout suv for in-town errands, but taking it on a roadtrip to Florida after our minivan was out of commission revealed a few inherent flaws that im glad to see the newer models have mostly fixed.
The eyesight was really nice over a long roadtrip and actually has me turned off of regular cruise control on my 15 year old CR-V haha. I also really like its tight turning circle and to me despite its 2.5L 4-cyl and CVT, off the line it feels pretty spritley and faster than its quoted 9 second 0-100km/h time.
What I dreaded in that Forester was the backseats and it's the one reason I wouldn't recommend the car to anybody travelling regularly with more than two people. It seems Subaru cheaped out on insulating the doors because driving on the highways in December my feet were freezing while sitting in the back. And in the 2018 model year at least it surprisingly didn't have vents for the second row so there was no way to heat up the passenger space in the back. Additionally after awhile of driving the windows would also start to fog up, even with the climate controls up front active and using defrost mode. It seemed like Subaru didn't spend a lot of time testing the Forester for winter usage. Additionally the seats also don't recline back as they're anchored in place to the sides of the car. I guess this is common in a lot of suvs these days (fwiw my 15 year old CR-V has independently reclining seats in the back) but it really made it difficult to nap in the back while on a roadtrip.
Some other nitpicky issues I found was a slow to respond power liftgate, memory seats that only remembered the seat adjustment and not the mirror placement. And the front seats I found to be a bit narrow and short in terms of thigh support.
TL;DR 2018 Subaru Forester was a fine suv for a single rider or couples but fell short in terms of comfort on longer journeys although it seems most of those issues have been resolved with the new models.
Im liking the restrained use of cladding on this one.
Wait until the wilderness trim
I hope wilderness is not going to be as bad as plastic galore of the crosstrek.
Agree. I have a '24 Outback and the cladding is way overdone on that.
Me too!
I just bought one and I love all the features in the touring. It’s a great car!
I just purchased a 2025 a couple weeks ago and I really enjoy mine. I don’t know why so many people have harsh comments about this vehicle. It’s great for traveling and town.
I wanted a Forrester when my lease expired on my Venza last June, but the road noise 'drove' me to the Crosstrek. I immediately swapped out the Falcon tires and bought four Continental and then had Ziebart do their soundproofing underneath. Huge 'quiet' difference for this 75 year old. So if the new Forrester version is quieter without having to spend another $1000 to make it so, I'm in when the Crosstrek Limited (I really like this car, by the way).
Thanks for your reviews. You two are the best in the market at doing what you do.
You guys are getting better and better with the videos. Well done!!
Love the “more cowbell!” Reference… one of my favourite SNL skits of all time
Bought a new 2023 Forester and love the suv. Recently, I rented a competitors model to go to the Indy 500. After the trip I was delighted that I bought the Forester over the competition.
and what was that competition?
My wife spent 30 years in minivans and so when it was time to leave the minivans behind, she moved to a Forester 5 years ago because of the large windows. She has become a Subaru loyalist and I expect to see the 2025 version in our garage in the near future. Great work as always
Thanks for the video!
We had our minds made up on the 2025 Forester, then we test drove an Outback XT... and the rest is history!😮
Same happened to me
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Did you like it better?
Another great Subaru product , bravo !
We have a 2024 Forester Wilderness…keeping it forever , love it !
Thanks for the great reviews.. We were looking for a forester hybrid.. but once it was announced for 2026 we went rav4.. love that you cover Canadian models and the differences..
Front end reminds me of some Honda and Ford SUVs. Could use more HP?
I feel like the only person that hates giant infotainment screens like this. When that screen inevitably freezes or stops working, now I lose access to everything.
Nah not the only but I do feel the minority. I don’t think people are thinking about software and updates. They’re associating it with Ipads I don’t like it either. It’s going to age cars quicker which maybe the point. Everything is becoming fast-fast fads, fast fashion, fast music….nothing is made to last.
And then the dealer will require $3k to replace it. Planned future revenue stream.
No you are not alone!
Just check how to reset/restart/reboot it.
Just check how to reset/restart/reboot it a head of time and put a slip of paper of the steps in your glove box. Also has been a thing for a long time and there really hasn't been a huge outcry about it being a problem.
I agree with Zach that the turbo should be back as an option.
Subaru says no to the turbo but they tell us the hybrid should take care of the extra power some may be looking for.
@@andreaspencer9813 Thanks Andrea.
Y'all keep saying, we need a turbo, but didn't purchase it!
@@twystedhumourexactly. and the people who always say that a manufacturer should bring back something are not going to buy those vehicles anyway. If people want to see manufacturers add things or bring back certain features, they have to buy them.
Whoever designed this, especially the exteriors deserves the best design award.
They deserve to get hired at Tesla so Elon can then fire them.
🤣 love the sarcasm
My Father has an Forester XT Turbo… he loves it. My Mother drives a Forester Limited… she LOVES hers. My younger Brother drives a Legacy. My other Brother’s wife drives a loaded Impreza. Both swear by them. So obviously I’m somewhat biased. These Subarus truly are great vehicles. But when it comes resale, reliability, dealership network and … the regular commuter… the ‘average’ inner-city person or Family… I’d always recommend the more proven Toyota RAV4. You just can’t go wrong. But for me? I’d probably get a Volkswagen Tiguan… just because I’ve got a fondness for a more German driving experience… despite being less reliable, less practical and would probably hold it’s value less than any Subaru Forester… or Toyota (obviously). Thanks for the video.
Don’t like the new Tiguan Digital Dash! And I own a previous gen Tiguan! That is why I’m researching the Forester.
It's not ugly. The rear glass being more perpendicular makes this car so much more practical. With 17" wheels for more sidewall, I'm good with this model. It's one of the few SUVs that would get me out of my Camry. I prefer sedans but I sometimes could use an suv.
Rear looks like a fortuner and MU-X
You should test drive the 2025 Toyota Camry.
I got a 2023 Forester after 26 years of Honda Accord. I was ready for a change. I’ve been happy with mine and the utility has been so great. The back seat is also very roomy for passengers.
Thank you for the video! This Forester looks so much better than the previous model. I hope they continue to build these in Japan.
Why does it look 20 years old already?
Looks like an American Subaru. Japanese design slowly saying bye bye :(
soccer mum SUV
20 years old might be a good thing after listening to space Elmo 😂
Subaru is not known for 'trendy' designs like the Koreans do.
😅😅😅😅
I have a 2020 Forester and felt that the models were looking more and more dated since then. I like this one. Personally, I chose a Subaru because they’re safe and friends that owned one, loved them. I now own a ‘24 Crosstrek Onyx as well and I love it!
They're safe? lol OK.
Fantastic review! I bought one yesterday, and it's awesome!
Thanks for the review MM - loved my stay in the ‘Tweed Curtain’ at Cordova Bay with my Australian/Canadian hosts who also encouraged me to visit the Butchart Gardens - here in Australia I’ve owned 12 Subarus but now drive a Toyota Hilux - I’m wondering if the placement of the badges on the rear corner pillars hides a panel gap which means that if you experience a quarter panel crash it’s easier to change the lower panel as you would the front wheel fenders without needing to do body work repairs? - I stopped buying Subarus when they introduced the CVT and stop start ignition system and removed the coolant temp gauge which I see has been reintroduced after 16 years - this gauge omission caused a lot of engine overheating failures because people didn’t think they needed to watch this vital metric because it was buried deep in the instrument menu system - makes sense it looks more like a new RAV4 due to the new strong partnership with Toyota.
"Sufficient...... sufficient power." 😂. Remember when there was a Subaru Forester XT with a 250HP/258TQ turbo?
More like insufficient power. This car needs more power and Subaru has not been responsive to consumer desires... maybe the hybrid model will bring about that power. Otherwise, I think it is the best compact SUV on the market if Subaru would offer more powertrains.
I do.. I heard two reasons.. 1) less then 5% of Forester sales were the XT 2) name of the game these days has been fuel economy.. but a 3rd) if they can get a "Prime" Forestor (PHEV) with added oomph of an electric drive train culd be a new xt
@@ctclardy The power is fine. We bought a 2023 Forester Wilderness last year and don't miss the turbo engine. It has a Sport Sharp (S#) drive mode if you want to sharpen the response a bit (changes the throttle mapping and when the torque converter locks up), it makes a pretty noticeable improvement. That said, it isn't a sports car and isn't pretending to be one. It's a competent daily driver that does it's intended job very well.
@@ctclardyit is sufficient power. With all the Foresters they sell, the power must be adequate enough. Customers are not asking for more power. Got to remember the audience for this vehicle. People like you who thinks this needs more power is not the target audience. Even if it did offer WRX-like power, would you buy it? Doubt it.
I dropped off my '17 Forester for maintenance at the dealer and they gave me a Legacy GT courtesy car. I drove it home and was like wow this car drives great the engine is very responsive. I took a look under the hood and it was the turbo. I wish they would bring back the turbo to the Forester.
Love it. Test drive the 2024 recently and fell in love. Such great ride quality. Waiting for the 2025 because of the TCV issue. Heard they reverted back to the old, reliable TCV system for the '25.
Yep, Mr Subaru mentioned it’s back to old school thermostat. So no more TCV. Also currently it’s built in Japan but supposedly in 2026 they will build them in Indiana, if that’s a concern, may want to get one sooner than later.
What is TCV? AND what is the issue?
Didnt that recall only affect 2022's?
@@GURKS35 It does, but... the TCV is used up to the 2024 models, its why Subaru extended the warranty to 15yrs or 150k miles. They understand the TCV is not a good design and is prone to failures. Ultimately not a good thing, plus its very expensive to replace. Its why a lot of people are relieved its not there in the 2025s and likely going forward. Its just one thing to be careful and aware about and not so much going forward with 2025+
Time will tell in regards to 2023 and 2024 cars - these have a newer superior redesign of the part and sense its pretty new time will tell if or when it happens. Just be aware on these models and keep a eye on it basically.
People who used to buy Volvos are now buying Subarus.
They’re just way more reliable than Volvos
This is an excellent point.
Or Saab owners. I guess we like quirky.
More reliable, cheaper to repair, cheaper to afford compared to other cars. At least in my current research and finance deals. So it is a pretty good car for the money.
It's quite a downgrade from a Volvo. People who were buying Volvos moved on to Lexus or Germans, not Subaru.
My mom is looking for a new crossover. It’s either the Forester or CRV. Which one would you go with? She’s 60+ and needs 6ft of cargo room with seats folded for transporting her art around, and AWD.
I am 60+ looking for an SUV for carting my art round also and did a test drive of a Forester, CRV and Rav 4. Love the hands free auto tail gate on the Forester better and visibility, Definitely leaning towards Forester especially for visibility driving and tailgate. Did your mom decide?
@ her friend ended up selling her 2024 Subaru, so she grabbed that. She loves it!
@@grahamrothphotography Thanks! Great to know!
Does it have black ice driver assist
Wow! The new Subaru Explorester!
Mid grade 87
Does it heat the entire steering wheel, or does it still omit the top third? I absolutely HATE this in my Crosstrek
The whole steering wheel is heated.
Thank you for the help! Love the show. Test drove a 2025 Forester Touring and really liked it. Two problems for me. 1. I'm short and adjusted that driver's seat right out of the range of either armrest. I'm a roadtripper, so this is a big deal. Any advice on workarounds? 2. I've got quite the CD collection, and none of the Forester trims have a CD player. Does Subaru offer this as an add-on at all? (Like the CD player in the Outback Touring?) Thanks again
did they resolve the right control arm issue? with the older forester, because of a/c condense water, cause the right control arm damaged after several years
Well built, lots of features for the money and safety for not cheap but good value! They are very reliable and if you have young kids, the safety tech is worth every cent!!! Great show, lots of information and facts to make a useful buying decision.
Do you rent the vehicles or do you go to dealers and test drive them?
They're press vehicles, in most cases. The manufacturers supply them. Source: Me. I used to work for Canadian print media and we would get a new vehicle to review, almost every week. My overwhelming favourite, back in the day, was the NSX.
Why the old Forester Turbo did not sell well is because it required Premium fuel (main reason). The Outback and Ascent’s turbo uses regular fuel. We hope it’ll be on the Wilderness version will get that turbo (at least).
There is no turbo coming to the Forester. Subaru says, the hybrid should meet the needs of buyers who want more power.
Where does the AWD Kia Sportage hybrid fit in all of this?
God Subaru's infotainment just puts me off any car they have. It's such an antiquated looking system, I don't think I could get over having to use it
So true, a vertical screen was cool in 2010. Now the trend is widescreen.
@@conceptcs so ford infotaintment is also outdated? its not the vertical orientation rather the design and ui of subaru's infotainment. I really do like Subaru and I do wish they improve the design and ui of their infotainment to make it look more modern at least, it doesn't need to be futuristic looking. I really hope someone talks to a Subaru exec and make the infotainment complaint known to them at the very least. They got good cars, just need to improve the infotainment.
@@conceptcs I prefer vertical like the new Ranger.
Respecfully disagree. Everyone seems to be using those terrible "tack on" horizontal screens. Terrible layout, IMO. The Subaru ones are much more satisfying to use, and they've improved.
Very very good I would love to get one
To think you guys were 5 minutes away from my home, up in Bear Mountain, and I could’ve seen you drive around and yelled “Mazdah/Mezda” in the background😂
You guys do such a great job, these videos are not only informative, but also entertaining!
For city folks of shorter stature the Impreza RS has the same next generation e-CVT, WRX suspension, same engine, better gas mileage, sportier interior and cost less, $35k Cdn. The only problem is they don't manufacture many and the dealers don't order many. So they're probably going to discontine the line. The 2025 Forester looks like good value for your dollars in an inflating economy and you have a good chance of getting one.
Impreza rs is missing a lot of features.
Subaru’s don’t use eCVTs they aren’t hybrids, they have conventional belt and pulley type CVTs. Yours thinking of Toyota’s hybrid system.
I think it’s funny how every time she floors the gas or takes a turn, he reminds me of my dad taking my sister out for driving lessons. Like he’s of two minds to shout “slow down” and also reach for his imaginary brake pedal with his foot. Just mannerisms I’ve noticed when he’s in the passenger seat, could be nothing but reminded me of those times lol.
One of my favourite Subaru features is when you flick the cruise control it moves by 5kph. Such a little thing but a real joy for driving in rural southern Ontario - highway then town then highway then town etc.
When will the specs for the hybrid version come out? Crosstrek, Forester, Outback
Another amazing review, thank you so much. I fell out of love in the first 2 minutes when it was floored and the transmission was just howling. I just don’t get who could enjoy that feeling and sound.
When you accelerate from a stop light and really push it, full throttle, the power is sufficient. However, when you are cruising at highway speeds and pass quickly, it has plenty of power and the cabin remains fairly quiet.
Bring back the 6 spd stick! 😁
It looks like a gray day for everyone.
I hate that giant screen and the eyesight system. I work at an auto glass replacement shop and eyesight is the bane of our company, we always have issues with it at least 50% of the time when it comes to calibrating eyesight with the new windshield. It can take up to five or six hours from the time we start working on Subarus to calibrating it or even NOT calibrating it.
In that case we send the customer to the dealership to figure out what’s wrong. Usually there is a DTC in the ABS or another system that is preventing eyesight from working properly. We had a new Subaru Legacy in for a windshield and that was the problem.
It’s why I bought my wife a 2019 Crosstrek without eyesight. The hybrid option would make me consider a Subaru for myself and ignore those two things I hate.
Much improved looks!
When I test drove my first Forester a month ago I was scared it would be a snail and I wouldn't like it after watching so many videos and people crying about power. I own 4 vehicles and 2 have turbos. I was totally happy with its acceleration. I bought my 2024 Forester Sport that day. The power is fine for the average driver. People just complain about everything I guess.
I did feel the same.
I don’t plan on racing one either 😊
My first Forester was the XT, then I bought the 2019 (no turbo anymore). I got used t0 the 2.5 atmospheric pretty quickly. Of course if you jump from one to the other you DO see the difference. But for daily driving, that 2.5 atmospheric does the job (and save you quite some gas money). Our second car is Tesla (hello acceleration!!) and I dont cry when I go back to my trusty Forester. I actually love my Forester!
Fully agree with your comment “just drive it and you’ll be happy”.
PS: The Forester is so much better with AT tires if you do any “not asphalt” roads or towing a bit. Love the Falken AT Trails. Smooth, grips and stiffer/tougher (thicker sidewalls).
AT 7:38: Any diff between "piano black" and "black?" (Note I could have typed "real diff" instead of just "diff" here.) My sister keeps her Baby Steinway glossy-waxed and ALWAYS dust-free btw.
Indeed, Subaru had a CVT back 1970's. And Boxer Engine and Symmetric GearBox that is supposed every car should have.
But no matter what CVT is not benefit for Subaru owner but is only profitable for Toyota and Subaru. I hope that Subaru has at least Start gear like Lexus or Rav4 CVT. Otherwise, I can not get back Subaru though my family is "the Subaru" since 1990's.
I had a Turbo 2004 Forester, gave to a daughter, was great and lasted 12 years no issues....I think the 2025 looks great and would pop for one today...if they brought the turbo to the US for the Forester (I don't like the Outback wagonee look.... but does offer the turbo). I too read they might be using the "Toyota hybrid system" in the Forester I guess in 2026...so I think I will wait!
Holding out for the all new 2026
And that raspy engine note with the rubbish CVT is it gone?
😂😂😂😂 красавчик
Lost ya on “smoother comfortable” Which ones are?
After so many problems with 2019-24 TCV, no information as to wether the 25 still has same??????
We said in the video the transmission has been updated.
@@andreaspencer9813 TCV thermal control valve. Not CVT. Subaru announced a campaign to extend this part to 15 years/150,000 miles. MrSubaru1387 made a video about it. Per Mr. Subaru, 2025 Forester ditched the TCV.
I've been watching your show since before UA-cam and podcasts were such a big thing but this is my first occasion to write.
I purchased a 2019 Forester top trim level in 2019; my first new car and my first Subaru. It replaced a 2008 Santa Fe GL. The appeal of the Forster was the amazing interior room (I'm 6' 4" and over 250 lbs) and exceptional fuel economy ( bordering on twice as good as the Santa Fe). Unfortunately this car has been nothing but problems for me.
In the first 3 years of ownership ( at a driving frequency of about 12, 000/yr), these are the problems I've incurred: both side mirror on different occasions stopped working properly, battery draining to dead when sitting more than 5 days, car acting like it was possessed ( alarms going off and having to disconnect battery to shut off, hatch stopping mid-travel and having to close manually not starting), seat memory stopped working, one blown rear HK speaker (I listen to podcasts), battery replacement, slight de-laminating of dash, driver's upholstery stitching disintegrating and one other electrical issue that escapes me. Most of these were covered under warranty. Since it has expired, I have had two more blown rear speakers (one each side) , the audio has failed 4 times (screen works - no sound regardless of source). after the car sits overnight, it seems to work again. And the latest incantation is the head unit turns off and on approx every 8 seconds. The volume knob does not work. I cannot shut it off and leave it off unless I pull the fuse. This means no map/navigation, no radio, no Android Auto, no cell phone.
All of the problems I have experienced are not isolated as there seems to be many others with same problem except the seat memory issue (that took them 3 months to troubleshoot and they ultimately just replaced all the parts but charged me labour). But there has been no recall on any of these, just warranty claims of which I no longer qualify.
I'm willing to accept some cars just aren't as reliable as others and poor build quality or parts can lead to more repair frequency but there are many things in cars that most have come to accept are reliable for the life of the car or for at least a decade - like radios, paint and steering wheels. I'm convinced that I got a lemon and that Subaru is ethically and legally responsible to put things right. There's no way a car company like Subaru can earn a reputation that it has for reliability and brand loyalty if my experiences with a car that still hasn;t 70,000 kms on it was common.
What can I do?
Some reviewers say the new steering rack needs constant adjustments on the highway. Is this true?
Great info! I’m serious considering trading in my beloved 2021 Forrester Touring (my late husband and I bought it) I’m a senior, who always wanted a Subaru and I actually love my Forrester due to the safety features and window vision. This Will help me I. This is a big help. Thank you!
Really wish Subaru would give the option of audible alerts for blind spot detection; and make the alerts on lane departure and collision detection louder. Seems like a miss for a brand known for safety. Never realized how much I missed it until having a Palisade as a rental and experienced Hyundai’s outstanding driver assist features.
Thanks for your factual and common sense review.
and the off road drive?
My main question, does the premier top of the line in Canada get the digital rearview mirror?
I see you are driving it, but no mention of the rear view mirror, thank you.
I easily would have had a forester by now if there was a turbo option. The hybrid gives me some hope.. maybe when I’m ready to trade in for a new car in 4 years.
More stuff to go wrong. The base 2.5 is fine. I have a 24 Crosstrek with the same engine.
Unfortunately, I'm seeing shades of Pontiac Aztek and a lot of Ford Explorer in the front grill treatment. Otherwise, they've gone generic and bland, losing some of the boxy charm that was a Forester mainstay. And the CVT groans on. Give us a PHEV with ECVT, stat!
Does this have in built dash cam?
Needs more power and a standard transmission, then i will look at it
Was interesting in a Suburu till I heard about the plastic thermo control value. What were they thinking?? Costs thousands to fix, they have extended the warranty on it for the US, I have no idea if they did the same in Canada. Local dealer doesn't seem to know either. Staying away. It will break.
I agree with you and also would add the large screen to that. I wish they'd keep the screen for the entertainment and leave the HVAC controls, seat and wheel heaters to knobs and buttons. I keep vehicles long term and can't imagine how expensive that screen will be to replace when it finally goes. Manufacturers only have to provide parts for 10 yrs for a model, so you'll likely be looking to remans or rebuilds when the time comes. It is so much easier and safer to adjust HVAC with knobs or buttons, it can be done even without taking your eyes off the road, try that with a screen when you have to flip between screens to do a simple adjustment. I noticed Zack and Andrea didn't talk much about the screen and its operation.
I went with the 24 Forester Wilderness over the 25 Forester Sport.
This or the envision? Trying to decide
You make this awfully tempting! Superb video!
I bought the Outback touring XT a couple of months ago, specifically because I wanted the ventilated seats. It was the only model that had it. I would consider a Forester, if it had a turbo model going forward. My wife however is going to be trading in her Nissan rogue for a Forester next year.
4:39 - when you say the wrong model of car and edit in the correct word?
Which suv in this segment do you prefer?
When the hybrid version is reviewed, mentioning battery chemistry & battery manufacturer would be apprisiated.
I've been driving Subies since 2014 and had 1 Forester & 3 Outbacks. . "Acceleration is sufficient " describes the boxer 2.5i describes it perfectly. Not a lot of get up and go, but I have never felt like I NEEDED more power. I even found it adequate for towing a 2,000 lb bass boat over Cascade Mt passes. Highway fuel economy has been decent in all of them at 28-30 mpg. Both OB & Forrie do everything effortlessly well. OB a bit more comfy due to longer wheelbase. Both swallow an amazing amount of cargo but the OB has a longer cargo area which is why we prefer it. . That said, a Subaru is long over due for a good hybrid.
Does the top trim come with the engine cover ?
Love your reviews! I especially like the sequence followed for all reviews starting with the specifics of the vehicle and ending with mileage and cost. If I have one suggestion is that a more realistic presentation of gas mileage be ascertained, for example the Subaru Forester/Outback factory numbers are not supported by the owner/drivers numbers.
Did I see correctly that it now offers rain sensing wipers? Other than the Ascent is this the only Subaru that offers this? Having had it on the last few cars it's a deal killer if it doesn't offer this feature. Love that it now offers ventilated seats? Love the show. Thanks
Does this new Subaru take regular or premium gas?
Looks great. Awesome videos guys as always. Can’t wait to get it here in Australia.
Is the new Forester still built in Japan?
Yes, it is.
The 2025 model is going to be built in Indiana.
@@Racermik The Subaru press release for the new Forester states the following: All 2025 Subaru Forester models are assembled at Subaru’s Gunma, Japan, facility.
Is that the new River Rock color?
It is!
Great review! I agree I wish both the Hybrid and turbo options were available sooner.
With no turbo, surely this will burn regular 87 octane gas?
Hi,
Great video, very informative and insightful. In the video you mention that the 2025 Forester could use a bit more power. I am not too concern with power when driver it in the city area but given it is a Forester, curious on how does it perform going up hill and going the mountain pass with changes in elevation?
Thanks
Ford Explorer at the front. 2014 Mitsubishi Outlander at the back. It's not a bad look though. I miss 1980s and 1990s Subarus. They were unique, high-quality cars.
My wife has a 2017 2.0XT and before that a 2010 2.5XT. She feels the Forester is the Goldilocks between the Crosstrek and the Outback. Very curious to see if they go with the more performance oriented Toyota hybrid system or the mileage extender. If they go with the hybrid MAX system, I'll be 100% behind her upgrading to a new Forester. Love the low profile rails since we hardly ever use them and they just add to road noise.
Love the more sophisticated styling. So excited for the hybrid and Wilderness trims to be released!
Me too! What are the chances that there’s a Forester Wilderness with the hybrid system?
@@lennygarrison6836 that would be wickedly fantastic!!
@@lennygarrison6836 We're hoping for that ourselves. Hybrid is like the new turbo
The front looks like a Explorer.
It's giving Ford Explorer Vibes.
Don't mind that at all. I have a 2024 and wish I would have waited for the 2025. The only thing I like more about the 2024 is the analog center controls.
8:35 nice phone wallpaper 😊
I bought the 2024 Touring model. For me and the wife we’re pretty happy about it. We were looking at the hybrid version but couldn’t wait for it, plus I didn’t want a square model and it looks like a ford.
My neighbor has a 2024 touring, I think it looks better than the 2025.
This gen reminds me of the original 1 and 2nd gen Foresstor's boxy/squarish design.. I always preferred that over the bubbly looks of the previous gens.
Will there be a wilderness model ?
Extra stripes and cladding?
Would you buy a comparable feature gas RAV4 , CRV, CX5 or this? Rogue has Nissan CVT which seems like a future problem. Seem like all good options………