Suian Is... 🙄 | Wheel Of Time Ep 2x7 Reaction & Review
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In the books they know how to tie off weaves. They don’t know how to invert and hid weaves. The show has changed it so they don’t know tying off weaves.
That’s a weird choice. It changes the magic system a lot. The Aes Sedai can’t do simple weaves that novices can do in the books.
It actually is not strange.
The Breaking itself allows what can be remembered by the Aes Sedai, and what is forgotten based on what a tv show can display, vs a book.
A big bonus at the same time, can show that a Wise One chaneller can tie off weaves, to show that other channelers from other parts of the world remembered different things.@@christianrapper
It wasn’t “our” plan. It was Siuan’s. Siuan had dreams (Ishamael gave her) and told Moiraine she should go to the Eye. They’ve kind of turned Siuan into Elaida.
Suian has had her mind influenced by Ishamael and has the black Ajah unknowingly surrounding her and giving her advice
To be fair siuan does think that moiraine lied to her about being stilled so i do feel like she has some justificationin the end scene
"Mommy, will you come get me at school?"
Oh, yes. Yes, she will. 🙂
Siuan couldn’t see the weaves, but based on Rand’s aggressive response, she took precautions to shield him. I agree that the show made it seem confusing.
The thing about getting Toh is it is often the person's decision if they have Toh and how much and how to meet it. Unless they are a child or don't know and have to be told or it is a well established thing. Avi decided that she had Toh because of it and that getting beaten was how reclaimed her Ji. The wise ones in the books had mentioned to her in other situations that she was being prideful and going to far
Ishamael lied to Mat that he would see past lives knowing if he dragged him... in his tripping visions Mat would see all the worst because Mat has a very low, and the idea is to turn him to a shadow ... Ishamael believes turning his friend will turn Rand too !
Ishamael sure lives up to being the father of lies
Subtle, but Rands voice is different when he says, "I will not live in your cage"
I agree on Moiraine/Siuan, in the books they are bound really tight by their ultimate commitment to finding and guiding the dragon. Somehow in the show they have made their partnership more explicitly a relationship than in the books, but they're less of a team which makes zero sense to me.
Speaking on show only, I think that they might be telling us that they're not likely to reunite soon as that was a big disagreement. I don't know how prominent Siuan is in the books but given how little she was used this season, it just might be the show tidying up future storylines beforehand.
I was so wanting to see you're reaction to Mat's "Is this a sex thing, or a murder thing?" line! 😏😥 Looking forward to episode 8!
What is Suian? After she said "We would've been so better off if you were a girl," my headcanon became that show!Suian's a darkfriend. If you don't find that link intuitive, flip the genders. Imagine you're a girl, doing everything you can to live up to a cursed destiny, and the most powerful man in the world walks up to you and tells you you're worthless because you don't have a dick.
Because that's what Suian did to Rand. Told him the circumstances of his birth are all that define him, that they damn him. And that? Is at best one of the cruelest things you could do to a person.
It bothers me how the little changes they made make no sense and only create more complication and require extta screen time they sinply cannot afford to fix.
5 and 6 were the absolute best episodes of the season. But once the focus of the story shifted back to the made up plots/drama/character quests, the main plot of the EF5 loses all focus
In particular, notice how neither Rand or Mat exercise any personal agency in getting to Falme. It feels like being hit over the head and having the plot drag you to where you are needed.
One of the things, Nerdy, you really liked in the early books was how small little throw away scenes or lines led to an organic situation where everyone was where they needed to be. It wasnt artificial and the movement of the characters felt like it was their choice.
I think the scene sof Rand on his knees for half his appearances in the episode is emblematic of the EF5 characters as a whole.
They are simply dragged or yanked to where they need to be with very little volition or personal choice.
As to Lans scene with cat crosses the courtyard, while it was nice, it felt pandering and fan service. In the books, that line meant something. It was a culmination of Lans relationship and mentorship of Rand. It was earned because Lan had spent weeks working with him.
Here it is a pandering sop to fans who will recognize the quote and squee about it (i did too) and then realize that it literally is meaningless. Nothing of the scene made a difference to Lan or Rand. Rand didnt behave like Lan taught him. Siuan didnt chide Moiraine for letting Lan at him or speak of how scary he was, how she could feel the pattern swirl.
It was a line that ultimately meant nothing. There a few others in this season that do that. Lines that because they arent part of a larger story or arc seriously fall flat of ANY emotional meaning.
And honestly, i have to wonder, do show watchers feel Rand is in any way dangerous or scary? Going by just the show, he feels like a paper tiger.
The show seems to go out of its way to TELL us how we should feel about the Dragon, not show us.
Contrast Rand with Nynaeve or Egwene. They actually seem powerful for demonstrable reasons.
Bah!! I watch your reviews and see you dance around these points or acknowledge them and it all seems so obvious.
Rafe (like Biden, who needs to net someone else run- oops!! ;-) ) needs to get out of the way. He needs to stop undercutting the story he says he is attempting to tell. This hybrid of his isnt working.
Which is sad because SOME of his decisions- esp w regard to the villains- have absolutely enhanced the material.
The showrunner needs to focus on the story he said he would tell, not this thing he is trying to create. Bwcause he is ruining the story that is the heart of this.
Well said
One person whose not a forsaken being able to shield rand pisses me off sooo much omg like didn’t it take 3 people constantly channeling to hold logaine.
Apparently you have to learn how to hold off a shield? At least I think that's what this episode is trying to say but it didn't make much sense to me.
@@NerdyNightly I feel like the whole thing would be less off putting ( inconsistent magic system aside ) if rand had any growth or arc at all. S1 was him whining about Egwene and then I guess his arc is accepting something he already accepted which is that he can’t change her mind? Why is CW drama that doesn’t matter at all his arc (or lack of) instead of IDK the fact he’s adopted like I feel like that would take precedence but rands completely forgotten his entire biggest emotional thing?Now S2 he’s fucking lanfear and hasn’t learnt shit about channeling from logaine or sword fighting or really any skill so siuan low-key has a point that morraine was no help. Which again ill accept but atleast make him threatening right? The whole narrative tension is that the dragon will break the world ( that’s the prologue of the show) yet it seems like everyone can shield him which ruins Dumai wells really. It’s not even a matter of skill trumps power when in other cases with other characters that’s not consistent at all. Rands a tough protagonist in general cause he is very prideful but he’s also very competent so it kinda balanced in that regard.
Long comment sorry. My point is I love the villains being OP in the show a lot ( which the books do poorly) being a threat to rand cause he is also OP. Like look at GOT s1-s2 with dany andrand mirrors a similar journey of a innocent to conqueror with destiny given power and extreme pride in book 1-3. But you can’t have something as cool as dany s3 without the strong writing of s1 and s2 and her journey/growth and her own strong will. How are we gonna get book 4 rand which is s3 rand when s1 and s2 have literally done nothing to show his personality/identity and his emotional growth of accepting he’s the dragon which literally could have been so interesting like expand on the book even but they set up nothing likes he’s supposed to wake up and know how to 1000 of things? I feel like the show has very very poor writing and I’m not being rude hopefully it’s just my opinion.
I believe it was Amys who talked about the Maidens being too proud in their actions to meet their ji, that they took it to extremes. I guess I just attributed the scene with Avienda and Bain and Chiad to that. I also thought they were setting up future plot lines with a lot of the political stuff. Like RJ, they are foreshadowing a lot of stuff that doesn't pay off for a long time. Also, I've been wondering just how many seasons they were able to get Sophie O for.
did you hear Lews in Rands' voice before he was shielded
Not the first time! It's a nice detail, hopeful they do some cool stuff with that in season 3!
Team Lanfear all the way... Love how quick she channels. Especially with the gate. Moiraine made all these motions, all these weaves. Lanfear snapped.
Sorry, just one other thought...lol. I'm wondering if they are changing Suian's Talent like they did Logain's? In TGH, they reveal that Suian can see Ta'veren, like Logain is also supposed to be able to do. Since Logain seems able to see all weaves, maybe that is the same with Suian? I don't know, just a thought. (a few minutes later, lol)... could they be hinting that Suian is still being influenced by Ishamael like she was in season 1, when he lied to her in her dreams?
I dont think he is able to see all weaves. He just has the talent to see which men can channel. Same talent as some of the damane have.
"when he lied to her in her dreams" is this show-cannon or head-cannon?
@@bidossessi i don’t remember anything about her being influenced by Ishamael.
In the show, Moiraine doesn’t actually say channeling is so different from men than women that it wouldn't help, does she? That's very much said in the books, yes.
But in season one, when Rand asks for help as they approach the Eye, she just tells him no, touching the power at all could make him crazy, and she wants him not crazy.
Supposedly actor availability changed things up a bit, with not having much time to use Suian and none for Thom. Fortunately I think they both had much clearer schedules for s3, so that should be fun.
Damane and Healing - Clarus is spot-on.
The Seanchan see the Damane as filthy, even if the Sul'dam are in high esteem, and they would not want to be touched by magic by one of the Damane. After a while I'm guessing the knowledge of healing weaves just vanished since no one wanted to be healed so not sure if the "native" Seanchan Damane actually know any healing weaves.
If I’m trying to give the biggest benefit of the doubt that I can for Siuan, I’d say she shields him simply to show him how unprepared he is, to display how easily she could render him useless. She then points out to moiraine how he’s still just as unprepared as he was when she found him. It fits with what her pov is through the ep I guess.
That being said. She doesn’t really have a plan of her own. Just pointing out problems with no solutions.
So she likely doesn’t even know he’s channeling. He just voiced an opposing argument and she was like, nope, you’re so powerless I’m not having it.
Lan 'whatever comes stand on your feet' nekminnit show - 'Rand you sit on your knees for the rest of time ok thanks bye'
Until Barthanes told his mom to go away, I thought Anveare was going to be the dark friend in the show.
They do seem to give Liandrin a different braid hair style every few episodes and I like that she's just shaking that up.
Egwene and co figure out tying off weaves on their own TDR, one of them does it setting a light on a wall, but doesn't know how, but the other saw it and replicated it, and then the original understood what she did.
It's unclear to me if they then taught this to the aes sedai, or if they showed it and the aes sedai went "cool you learned that one, we knew that, go do the dishes."
@@fudgyvmp3961 everyone knows how to tie off weaves. It’s nothing special.
@@christianrapper cool we'll go do the dishes then
I think the Ji e Toh stuff is due to Aviendha not paying attention and was going to be hit and killed had her friend on stepped in and took it for her. Like it's her mistake for not being as attentive as she should have been. At least that's how i took it and it's a pretty simple way to explain the concept with the limited time of a show vs a book which can spend pages on it in detail.
In the books many Aiel also comment that Aviendha takes Ji'e'Toh a little too seriously as well... she's not at fault here but thinks she is maybe
Yes Suian, among others, is stupid because the writers are stupid. It's very difficult if not impossible to write characters who are smarter than yourself. If a dumb person is writing a story or script it is very likely the characters will be just as dumb (unintentionally) as the writer and it will be reflected in their behavior and actions.
How many fireworks 💜💜💜 that bookclub deep cut Clarus
I just found it so funny that Renna felt the need to shout something while Egwene was doing her thing.
I Think that the show made the mistakes of Siuan more tangible to her future fate, in the books it’s so sutile… It’s believable now what Elaida will do than just “hiding”
First off while I often disagree with Nerdy on many points I'm sorry he is getting hate for expressing them. One should be able to listen to someone with differing views not lash out or get defensive. I've always thought that if someone is afraid to have their views challenged their beliefs must be on very shaky foundations if they can't withstand a bit of pressure.
With regard to Siuan's actions I personally don't agree with them but find them understandable. Its very easy to be morally pure and decent and fair when you have no responsibilities. Just as Moiraine has become hyper focused on protecting the dragon Siuan has spent the last 20 years climbing the political ladder in the White Tower and having to make compromises and keep her eyes on the big picture. She had a plan with Moiraine and following that plan led to the release of Ishamael. That is bound to knock her confidence. Then she gets the news that Moiraine has apparantly been stilled. Yes she is sympathetic to what has happened to her lover but you don't get to be top dog in any international organisation by not seeing the bigger picture. In the books Aes Sedai regards sisters who have been stilled as lesser. They are normal. For all her empathy for Moiraine and what she believes may have happened to her Siuan the pragmatist has to see this as Moiraine being removed from the board. She can't channel to either contain or try and protect Rand. That means its all on Siuan and she is tied to the Tower and aside from state visits can't go galavanting around whereever she wants. We know that the Dragon should be allowed to go free but Siuan is balancing the fate of the world. Does she take the chance like she did before with Moiraine or does she fall back on what she thinks is the safe if morally questionable path? I think Rand not being able to break the shield was the last straw as far as she was concerned and it cements the idea that he can't defend himself.
As for what she did with Moiraine at the end, both women have demonstrated how committed they are to what they see as their mission. Is it any surprise that Siuan is equally ruthless and as willing to put her personal feelings/love aside as Moiraine is with her sister? What she did was a terrible violation of Moiraine's trust but as someone equally willing to do what is necessary I would imagine Moiraine intellectually understands why she did what she did but emotionally the hurt will be hard to get over.
Lastly I think the reveal about how the Tower think the Dragon should be treated was meant to be a counterpoint to the Seanchan's views on female channellers. While it lacks the torture the White Tower's plan/law regarding Randbeing kept from the One Power, being made to channel as directed and used as a weapon sounds a lot like how the damane are treated. So far the show has not revealed much about why the Seanchan treat female channelers they way they do but I'd not be surprised if that comes up in season 3 if a certain book 4 plotline is followed. While not in any way trying to support how the damane are treated I think its meant so show what can happen when any group is prepared to do ANYTHING for what they see as the greater good.
So I'mma say it:
" Whatever happens, face it on your feet". Proceeds to spend the whole episode on his knees, calls mom for help...
But yeah, Josha's acting was great... I guess.
We spent months in bookclub over consent and now, what Siuan did to Moraine is not worth to talking about? In case you missed, she used the rod to force her body and will to close the way gate 😮. There's no turning back here.
Anyways Moraine in s1 said that she would not teach him because the madness. A big and huge plot mistake
in this episode, a novice Moiraine hears the Dragon is born. and she is somehow 60-70yo... How did no one thought about it when changing the story?
It was a secret in the books too.
It was that secret that Moiraine and Siuan were always worried about their fellow Aes Sedai, because they could not be sure which would help, and break Tower law, or still and execute them, which Tower law commanded.
The Tower also stated that the Dragon Reborn was always to be gentled and executed when he was found in the books, as if they believed that killing him would stop the Last Battle, when it does not. In the show, it is to cage and keep him secure instead.
Moiraine isn't a novice in the cold open. She and Siuan are wearing blue. They're already Aes Sedai
@@purpleajah7425 i should have said Aaccepted. they couldn't be Aes Sedai surely and acting so 'young'?
They both had just been raised to Aes Sedai. Moiraine had been that very day, just before that moment.
In the books, the Amyrlin had ordered them to send for Gitara Moroso, and came to find her when they did not show up with her, because the Amyrlin had orders for them all.@@MarekNowakowski
@@shauntempley9757 thanks, now i remember. that still sets them at around 22-25yo, not 45-55.
I also didn't like the example of Ji'e'toh. If Aviendha gave a actual reason why she failed her spear sister, I'd have liked it a lot more. Also willing being beaten is seen as a cheap way to meet toh, usually reserved for people who don't understand how to meet their obligation.
Timeline in season two is incredibly fuzzy. There’s almost no references to how much time has passed and if events are concurrent. It seems to imply they are and time jumps aren’t pointed out like it was in ep 3 of S1
I may have already said it but why does this show keeps on saying that Nynaeve is the most powerful female channeler in ages (like in the books), but every time they SHOW big impressive feats of Power it's done by Egwene ? I think in writing there is a saying "Show, don't tell", here the writers try something different: "Tell one thing, show another".
Egwene is like a 7. And the other Aes Sedai are like 3 or 4. But Nynaeve is a 9. So just by comparison she doesn't shine as much. However a lot of this is because of the movie pacing. Some things, like her block, more slowly because they're trying to pack in a lot during a small time period.
@@Saphthings Like I said they tell one thing but show another one. So, for the average viewer who hasn’t read the books and doesn’t pay attention to what the showrunner says, it seems like Egwene is the most powerful of the 2. Even with her block, just show Nynaeve embrace the source once like she does in the books despire her block and do something epic with it : "show, don’t tell"
@@tithannisk7470Nyneave has only ever channeled by shouting her head off, super sayan style. Not sure why...
Because Egwene is Rafe's fav character. It's unhinging the show, the same as the overplayed Suian and Moiraine relationship.
@@LeeTurnock-zy2dg Rand is my least fav character so it's great in my books lol
Show Siuan made me so mad in this episode. But I got a small portion of glee when I realized when Rand says, "I won't live in your cage," that it's overlaid with another voice. Presumably LTT's voice. It just made me a little giddy. (It didn't make up for Siuan being a blithering idiot, but I digress.)
Nerdy I believe what you were thinking about was inversing/hiding your weaves. Tying knots was something that is known in the current age.
LezbiNerdy recently reacted to this season with her little sister & came up with one of the best descriptions of the show I've heard.... she said, "...at best, the show is like an advertisement for the books."
Lol. I'm very sad they're writing this at a TV-14 level because it seems to be really hindering the plot & characters. I'm not sure that's truly the main problem but if this was written for an older audience, I can't help but feel there would be more scrutiny over the scripts.
In my opinion, it's not a great TV show. But it's a wonderful advertisement! Lol.
About Gitara. No, it doesen't work. In season 1 they literally said that the DR could be all of them😮. And Gitara just said "is born"
I don’t remember Damane healing. They are seen as weapons only, so it’s natural for them to not seen as a good thing.
Pretty sure they would see healing with the one power as unclean or something like that.
The damane and the Seanchan don't know how to heal in the books initially - the information was lost on their side of the ocean. After capturing some Aes Sedai they were able to learn but the general public still didn't trust the power touching them.
@dandoll4405 Yes. They see the One Power as dangerous so the Blood would never want to be channeled at
So much random side threads that is really a symptom of the entire show since S1. It feels like the main plot is stuck in treacle while we fuck around running in place. The extra 10 mins per episode and even the 8 few episodes they are given each season feel so SO wasted. Like...get the fuck moving already.
I'm still not sure why they thought a gentled man could teach Rand anything about channelling.
And why that would be all Rand really does this season? He learns so little, and we're 1/4 of the way through what this show will apparently be...
I think a lot of what you dislike about this is setup for Suan’s plot in TSR. They are making her mistakes a bit more tangible so it doesn’t come out of left field as much as it does in the books
Well after that intro, there's gotta be a mandatory 'both of you are fucking awesome"' comment. :)
Now, this non-book reader is gonna enjoy your take on that episode.
It is not a change to be able to shield someone holding the one power, you either need to be much stronger than them or have them be untrained and therefore not know how to stop it. It is very very difficult to do otherwise and would require you to distract them or make them lose their hold
Where in the books does anyone manage to shield someone holding the power, let alone the DR?
@@bidossessi Lanfear shields Rand
while he is attacking her with the power in book 4. She keeps cutting his weaves but he can't tell where she will be weaving and then she shields him, and he has way more practice at that point than he does in season 2.
@@bidossessi it also mentions that a circle of 13 can overwhelm and shield even the strongest man holding the power.
Also book 3, Egwene shields the Black Ajah who is falling asleep and going into TAR holding a shield. She is holding the power but shielded in TAR (though through TAR shenanigans she was only partially shielded)
@@LandonTheDM that one is a bit special since Egwene is actually shielded IRL. It's one of the many eyebrow-raisers of WoT
Nerdy made all the points n arguments I would.
I dont think show writers enjoy Perrin's character too much and therefore just dont know what to do with him... I hope they’ll do better with the Two Rivers plot next season but I worry about further plot points
I don’t think Siuan is upset about Moiraine not teaching Rand but tha she won't be able to control him when he starts going mad because they think M is stilled 43:59
She literally complains about Rand being untrained
The deeper you look at these episodes, the less and less sense they make.
They want there to simultaneously be rules and no rules. Its just bad writing.
The scene between Rand and Lan isnt earned, because they never trained together.
They randomly put in stuff from the books, to try and appease the book fans.
And most of the time it doesn't work because they aren't earned like they are in the books.
It's pandering fan service. There's no context to make this line (or one from 8) have any ounce of meaning.
It's lazy and cheap and pandering- as if fans will accept this pathetic sop after the way they gutted the story that surrounds those lines.
@@ianohlanderwell a lot of them (the fans) did (accept to lap up the pandering)...
Apparently Olivia Williams has been cast as Morgase.
40:20 You missed it. That's not Rand's voice...
"How could you say no to her?" very carefully
48:15 Rena told Egwene how to open the a’dam on episode 6 . “If I let you or you die”
I'm definitely on team Lanfear as well ❤
There were scheduling conflicts with Siauns actor so she wasnt available for the first half of the season so they made some changes to accommodate. From what I've heard
I hate they had to do it, but I love what they did with Mat's arc given they had to make the changes. The amount of self doubt Ishy/Fain imbue in him pushing him to abandon life is really terrific. You can see that he's actually beginning to doubt that he's even a good person, ever, in any life.
Yeah..Suian was never my favourite in the books, but i never actively disliked her like this show version.
57:52, 😂 I will enjoy Nerdy’s disappointment so much 😈
Season 3 will start with book four. Alana and Verin are together in the Two Rivers then. Siuan and Leanne not in a great place and will have to pay for their failure. Liandrin will probably be outed as a black Ajah by Anvere. This sets the “teams” to the journey they need to be for book four.
I think that some of this is set up for season 3.
Team Lanfear! Just a theory to make me like it better, that whole speech by Siuan sounded like a plan of the reds, did Liandrin compulse her? Maybe why they introduced that this season! So payoff coming down the road?
You know that didn’t happen
I don't think they already know how to tie off weaves at this point in the books
SHow Elayne does rock, and she is great - it's one thing they did well. I dont know why it's the only thing, it's confusing.
It's Haley Mills and Haley Mills in The Prophecy Trap!
A Gordian knot requires the Alexandrian solution. :)
I pretty much agree with everything you're saying here nerdy tbh, last 2 eps good, this one not bad but not as good if i ignore the treatment of the lads, early eps bizarre but nice looking - ep 8, well, it's.... a thing.
Nope. Nope! I'm not going to say anything about this episode.
I'm saving up all the rancor and spite into a big ole Spirit Bomb, and dropping it on the steaming pile of 2x8.
I've always said that I could have done without the Seanchan in the WoT books (most prominently Tuon), but it makes for stellar TV.
I think it was a bad example of toh, but it was a good example of aviendhas over proud nature with ji eh toh
Seven episodes...Secen episodes...to get to where the book STARTED...
The courtyard scene...pay attention to maksims thumb with various aes sedai around...
Question is, is the Algorithm goddess benevolent or malevolent?
Y’all nailed it with the pacing this season. They did the whole characters refusing to talk to each other trope to keep them at odds in the first half. The back half rules. It’s actually movie paced.
Now that it's over, I'll share why I think they did what they did with Moiraine. The show had to really explain the consequences of stilling now, so they didn't have to spend valuable time later on it. I think it was a sensible trade-off in the sense that they had also give Moiraine *something* to deal with this season.
What consequence of stilling have they explored/explained?
@@bidossessi Kinda spoilers so:
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They quite literally talked about how it's a fight to keep morale up to survive or any significant period of time in the early episodes of this season.
They also discussed passing Lan's bond. All this plus the 'widowed' warder plot in S1 have done major legwork that won't hold up proceedings in later seasons.
@@AmazingChi passing the bond and stilling don't go together. Not sure how relevant "widow warder" is in the context of stilling for our main characters either.
@@bidossessi what are you saying? My comment was about how these concepts are being introduced now so they don't have to do it later, when they become relevant, not that they in anyway go together or whatever you're trying to say.
@@AmazingChi you said they are introducing the consequences of stilling early. I'm saying that none of the things you mentioned are consequences of stilling.
Spoilers from book 4 or 5.
There’s a lot of speculation that this episode is setting up the tower coup. Suian is incompetent and her enemies have ammunition now
The problem is that in the books she doesn't really deserve it, and they have to be really shady to oust her. In the show she just kinda deserves to be ousted?
@@NerdyNightly I think that’s what they are trying to do. The writing has been inconsistent. Season one Suian is a great amyrlin, season two she is incompetent. Season one Perrin is conflicted about violence, season two he’s gladly killing seanchan left and right. Season one people stabbed with the dagger no big deal. They can’t be consistent. It’s very frustrating.
One of my favorites episodes of all 2 seasons.
You guys gotta remember alot off ppl may have not read the books. So the show way is great for us 😂🤣
Not really. No.
I have no idea what these characters are doing, or why they are doing it. Most of the time, I don't know where they are doing it, either.
I mean... If this show was my only source of information, then why are level 1 sorcerers casting level 7 Resurrect spells left and right? People die, and are brought right back to life, so there are zero stakes.
I'm finished with this nonsense for season 3. I've been baited and switched long enough already.
I'm moderately excited for season 3 because there was a lot set up in this season. If the writers can find good payoffs, and finally figure out what they want to do with the characters, it would be great. This season was way better than the first one, but it's still missing on the overarching story, character arcs and drama. It had great scenes, but very few of them had the emotional punch they should have.
I'm not excited. I hope for what you do....but I think the issues lie with the showrunner. And he's not going anywhere. He will shit the bed at the end of every season (and in the early eps) because he doesn't focus on the material and has his own story to tell.
It's not his story. I wish he'd figure that out.
Love both of you and your reviews. ❤❤
the episode is called game of houses....don't take ANYTHING that ANYONE says at face value. I think Siuan was doing every bit of that to Rand intentionally....
Yes, I've seen a lot of speculation that at least portions of that were planned by Siuan and Moiraine.
This is classic Lost or Smallville or X Files justification. The writers are being deep and have a plan. They know what they are doing. This is plans within plans within plans.
No it's not. These are writers writing momentary scenes with a storyline thay can't focus because it's trying to tell too many stories. They can and do contradict previous episodes literally because it's a "fire and forget" perspective. They write and turn in and move on.
Horses in the ways. The shader logoth blade, women teaching men, etc. These are flat out contradictions. They just pretend it didn't happen.
Don't over think it. They writers are NOT that smart. Rafe isn't that smart, I promise you.
Meh. The game of house doesn't mean anything to new audience and wasn't contextualised in any way, and the episode has no political intrigue at all to justify the title to experienced audiences.
We get it, you would have made different creative choices.
Dude I watch for your reactions tbh. I like her also though.
Watching this series makes me glad the writers' and actors strike happened. We need to stop using ChatGPT to write TV shows
Siu(H)an shot first
I really hope Siuan is just under compulsion.
Honestly would be a fun reveal to set up how Graendal fucks with the Great Captains in the LB
Man I wish lol.
@@NerdyNightly for sure. Moraine did say she’s surrounded by enemies. Also, Check out Maksim’s right hand while he’s hanging with Alanna and Ihvon in the courtyard. 😶
There is no way that is happening.
The show has shown a tradition of bad writing. Great casting. Great acting. But they are spending all their time on Aes Sedai and forsaken and not developing the EF5
Comment for the goddess.
THANK YOU
Susan needed to chill for sure
I disagree with you often Nerdy but don't let the haters get you down. Love ya even if you're wrong :p
Love you too, but I'm never wrong 😂😜
And Clarus is beautiful and has a lot to add as well. She seems less complaining.
Just listening to the audiobooks now. Just got to the part of the books where they first went into the ways, they went into the ways ALL on horses. With how angry you two got about seeing the horses in the ways I figured they would die, as you clearly were angry that the horses were making it out of the ways. But that's not at all what just happened in this chapter. The horses went with them 100% of the way through the ways, completely fine.
That's not what we were joking about. In season 1 they shoo their horses away cause Loial says they won't survive the ways, and we were like "why change that" and in season 2 they just ignored what happened in season 1
You guys are great!!! People who make rude comments are just ignorant. Thank you for another fun reaction video.
I think Siuan is being an idiot to set up third season drama between her and Elaida.
Nerdy, i don't hate you or dislike you, but I think you are looking for stuff to complain about. Let some of it go and just watch. I believe that all will be revealed. I think you are complaining to hear yourself talk. That is the frustrating part.
I love Nerdy!
But goes to show that he can't win either way, because I think he is being far too nice to this garbage fire of a show.
@@funkyd3321 We each have a view of the show. I understand that adaptations don't work for everyone. Not sure why you are watching if you hate it so much. Your time though is your time and you can waste it in all the ways.
@michelleforbes7823 and if you dislike Nerdys reviews so much just stop watching them. Honestly they are nice to the show. They do like it. Just pointing out inconsistent writing with in the show and how it complicates the storyline because of where they have to end up to hit the major beats in the books.
@@toddjackson3136 As I said, I don't dislike nerdy's reviews. I do find it interesting to see other's reactions to the show. He does have a tendency to belabor the point somewhat and I think it just sounds like he just wants to listen to himself complain. I get it. No worries. He made a comment about people giving him hate. I'm not doing that. I'm just pointing out what I find frustrating. Give me a f*cking break! Geez.
A show should be good. Period. It's writing should be tight. It should make sense. A rewatch should be rewarding.
If you think a show that just ignores previous episodes because they didn't think about the repercussions has a great master plan...well, I don't know what to tell you. You can join the legions of Lost or Smallville fans who thought that the writers had a big Bible of how it all really worked. Nope. Just a bunch of people making shit up and hoping you didn't remember or care.
This show is none of those. Books or no, if your show has people wondering what the fuck is going on, you have failed at a most basic level.
Let it go? How about give me a show that makes sense and only gets better in rewatch.
Silo and Severence are examples of great shows. They only reward rewatches.
If a show seems more dumb on rewatch (like the star wars sequels) then its a bad show.
Seems like you both don't understand that the logical plot of the story has been sacrificed to give Rosamond Pike more to do. That's the crux of the changes of the plot of the books to the show. Or, at least you aren't willing to say it...
True, only she's still barley doing anything.
@@dandoll4405 Hey, looking teary eyed and mopey is worth more than a well told / adapted story. Sacrificing the original plot is how you get more screentime to justify the big bucks.
Moraine being the main character of the show has been bugging me since halfway season 1. And we're gonna be stuck with this for the rest of the show, at the cost of our young heroes-to-be. But it's more than that. I really like some of the made up stuff, like how they portrayed Liandrin, plus the Damodreds, but just about everything else made the show worse. And there are small and big things that make little to no sense. Oh dear oh dear! Is Moiraine stilled or shielded? Even if we are to assume that in the show it feels no different... JUST FCKN TEST IT WITH A LIE.
It seems the writers arrogantly thought they are better than Robert Jordan, but most of the time just prove the opposite.
@@MrMezmerized Let's not forget that Moiraine entered the Ways with Lanfear, the f@#king devil who she attempted to kill. Bad writing that thinks it's better than the original. Book Moiraine was a badass who would go toe to toe with a Foresaken, even if it was a losing battle. No way would she ever trust Lanfear!
They have said it a number of times. You don't get a major lead and then sideline them.
The thing is, it could have been done much better. Season 1 baked in some literal shit that just clouds up everything now. And covid is no excuse.
Given rosamunds position, having more Moiraine with the EF5 would have satisfied that need with giving them actual characterization.
He'll if we are combining books, have her chase after Rand to Falme like they did in book 3 (to tear). That way Moiraine book 3 story replaces her non existent one in book 2.
And again, focus on the main story.
But no. Alanna and her warders need their time. Because Alanna is so damn important....
How much do we want to bet that they change Suane into Elaida? So no Elaida, no deposing, but Suane take the "bitch" role...it would be tragic, but it feels like it might be the case.
Elaida has been cast already
@@christianrapper that right...I had forgotten about that...ok, the like N&C I do not get where Suane is headed...sigh. I wish they stuck to the books more...
@@christianrapper Oh, she has? I was working on the assumption that Liandrin had absorbed Elaida's role. It made sense for there still to be an 'Elaida' role, but the main Red so far took on those responsibilities.
@@AmazingChi thete is no way that can happen. Too many people already knows that she is a darkfriend.
@@christianrapper Fair point, but it's only our Egwene, Nynaeve and Elayne that know that. With the need for brevity, they certainly can keep those three occupied long enough for the thing to happen then it's Accepted at best's word vs the Amyrlin. I heard Morgase has been cast as well, so I presume they'll introduce Elaida with her with a visit to Elayne or something.
Look, I love your commentary about shows, I like the fact that Nerdy is a prickly asshole about detail stuff (and watching him be wrong is a bonus), and obviously Clarus is beautiful, but this is not a reaction to the show, it is a reaction to the adaption, and as a non book reader isn't really as interesting. I am so glad you haven't read The Expanse. I wish you could separate the two. All I know is that you can't stand this version, and frankly isn't a great show, but you a hung up, and it just isn't that fun to watch you get angry about it weakness.
I freaking LOVE their reactions! They are pulling apart inconsistencies in the show, not just complaining about how they changed things. And to be honest they like the show, just not the dumb bits.
I think that's unfair honestly. I thought the two previous episodes were quite good, changes and all. This episode isn't, not just as an adaptation but as an episode of tv leading into a finale. Having seen the finale I stand by that. This show is struggling all on its own but that made worse by the fact that there is a pretty beloved series that has a lot of the answers.
I did not deliver the point in a mindful manner, and for that I sincerely apologize. I almost never leave negative comments, I am not a troll. I like you blind reactions better than The Wheel of Time, because you are both deeply invested in it. It is unfair to not give that its due, but it heavily changes what a non book reader can expect. I continue to feed the algorithm gods, by LCS.
90% of the reason I watched this channel in the beginning (and a good reason why I click fast when a new vid drops) is cuz Nerdy is super hot :X So when he said what he said in the intro I was like, "whaaaaa". There's been a few times that I come in and it's just Clarus, like when she was opening some card packs, and I'm like, "Oh... ... ... I'll stay cuz she's cool" xD Don't judge my gay tastes :X
The thing about the Show is that when they decide to nail a character, they really nail a character. So if they've decided to play Siuan's personality differently, there is a good reason for this change.
Also, the episode title is Daes Dae'mar. But we didn't really see much of the Game of Houses being played in this episode.
Or did we? Something for you to think about.
Do they? They've made some fun villains but I wouldn't say they've nailed very much at all. I hope I'm wrong and season 3 brings some shape to this, but I can't find it here yet
What have they nailed?
They've nailed the personalities of Nynaeve, Egwene, Elayne, Mat, Perrin, Rand, Lanfear and Ishamael (with his Moridin personality). Because of plot changes they don't end up doing the same stuff in the Books but all their actions are very much in-line with book personalities.
They've also nailed other minor characters. Uno's death is quite shocking but considering the situation they put him in plotwise his death was very much in-line with what would have happened if his book character was put in the same situation.
@nathanaelwong8878 no, I really can't agree with much, if any, of that. Certainly not Rand, Perrin, Nynaeve, Egwene, and probably not Lanfear.