Choices Were Made... | Wheel Of Time Ep 2x8 Reaction & Review
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Every time Nerdy said "I'm looking forward to..." I said "UH OH"
Every time every fan of WoT says they are looking forward to something, Rafe says, "Nahhh, let's let Egwene cook."
The breaking had already started by the time Dragonmount was formed, Nerdy misread that one.
Ishy literally mocks Lews in the prologue saying the 100 companions are already messing everything up
I feel like this is a situation where having read the books can actually be harmful to your viewing experience. This finale has some of the best scenes of the show so far, but from what I've seen, bookreaders are just confused through the whole thing, while non-readers mostly just have a good time with it. (speaking as a non-reader btw)
The show does have some plot holes of its own, but at least for me they never distracted from the fun of this finale.
The biggest disappointment in the show is Rand does nothing. The Dragon Reborn is a side character. It is like a group of people running around telling everyone how awesome someone is and we're just like, "Really?, you mean that random guy over there?"
I'm saddest they got rid of Gaul.
Gaul is in season 3. Or at least there is a male Aiel with Bain and Chiad, don't know why it wouldn't be Gaul.
Winter Dragon is still possible, actually. You realize that the Taint only happened after the Strike, right? And Ishamael was bound during the Strike in the books too. The reason he's there to visit maddened Lews is that he has a brief window in which he can return to the world before being drawn back. Or at least he can influence the world. This is the explanation for the cyclical 1000 year problems in the Third Age (Trolloc Wars, Artur Hawkwing). He visited Lews AFTER his sealing because he was able to either fully manifest or at least create an illusion of himself for a short time. It's even possible that he wasn't actually there at all, that it was just crazy Lews talking with more ghosts of the past.
I think in the show it could be simplified if he can just create illusions of himself. He doesn't need to physically have been there for anything. And we don't have other Forsaken that were out of their seals. Maybe in the show it was always just him still being locked away but using an illusion the whole time.
So an ghost illusion can heal? Either way, the manner in which the show handled the strike was super disappointing… just like the rest of the show.
Ishy was never fully bound he was able to influence the world all along it was his influence that turned Hawkwing against the Aes sedia the destruction of Manetheren the 100 year war ect
The show could do this, but it makes everything so much more needlessly complicated. It makes NO sense that an illusion can use the power... but maybe the Dark One will heal Lews himself in the end.
@@samanthaa.6055 it really doesn't need to be that complicated, it can just be tainted lews having a moment of clarity seeing what he've done, he doesn't need to actually be healed for that
1:04:04 they could have started a proper Mat by having him randomly speaking in the Old Tongue all through S2 (or even better, since S1) to his entourage's utter confusion. That was an easy, cheap thing to do that would set up that there's _something_ to this character. So when he "remembers", we have been prepared.
This show is living proof that South Park was right and there is somewhere out there a tub full of manatees and beach balls 'writing' episodes.
The 2nd half of the finale really shows how terrible their time usage, what they chose to emphasize, throughout the season was... They decided to highlight a bunch of side plots that had little to no impact on the story, while ignoring everything important so it had to be rushed at the end without adequate explanations.
Mat making the Ashandarei out of a bed post by tying the dagger to it with cloth is mind bogglingly bad.
The whole Moiraine/Lan side plot was boring and bad.
The Dragon proclamation was super cheap and silly.
Not letting Rand get his big moments in either season finale is writing malpractice.
They completely eliminated any season arc that Nynaeve could've had.
I think the actor playing Rand can’t stage-fight with the sword, that’s why they avoid any one on one duels
Hopper was already dead when Perin first met Slayer (first encounter with White clock). It was Slayer killing Hopper in dream world is how they become ultimate enemy.
Yeah- they just need to establish TAR immediately next season
Perrin got the shield from Uno, who is also Gaidal Cain in the show. So either it's power-wrought, or it's similar to the foxhead medallion (Birgitte has dealt with the Snakes and Foxes, I assume Gaidal Cain was probably with her when she did so he could have gotten the shield from them) or the shield coming from a hero / Tel'aran Rhiod gives it special powers. I like the last idea best because then Perrin can probably use it in the dreamworld.
Also, it could be that instead of hammer vs axe they're going with shield vs axe in the show.
So we are just joining in on the making shit up as we go too huh?
The fact that you have to fill in the blanks and make your own head canon for it to even make sense is the real takeaway here.
@@forsaken7976 Uno is not Gaildal Cain. He´s not ugly in the least. Also, since Birgitte hasn´t been born yet it would been they´d have a 40 years age difference at least. He would be near 60 when she´s of age. It´s quite an icky thing ppl put in there.
@@angelavm84 Uno is Gaidal Cain, Rafe has basically confirmed it in an interview.
@@angelavm84 I didn’t say anything about any of that. I think you are confused.
It's such a shame the the show is so shit when listening to you guys saying what you expect. Expect nothing and the worse, nothing else. Clarus is doing her best to spin tin out of crap. Oh no way in hell will they finish their crap version. Amazon will kill it in 1 or 2 more seasons for sure.
Moiraine was definitely breaking the Oaths. Lan even warns her that she'll be killing many innocents and she basically said "i'll kill innocents if it helps! lol"
Ingar's story-arc
Rafe said in a Q&A (I think as they did a live viewing of the Season Finale) that they did shoot Ingtar's confession, even though he didn't say to whom he confessed, but that with having to cut things from previous episodes and in general being short for time and wierd pacing they felt that the setup wasn't really there for him so they scrapped the thing.
He did say that maybe they release the scenes in some way some day but sadly they could not really fit everything in that had to be there to set the event up properly.
That's a lie, given all the 'new' and completely made up horseshit he inserted in place of these needed scenes.
Screenwriters know how to write stuff that fits within a timeframe. Were they not aware by then that they only had 8x1h episodes? This "we had to cut stuff we had filmed out" only has value for whoever doesn't know how this works.
@@nathanmorgan3647 It isn’t a lie, they are right that the set up wasn’t there for Ingtar’s reveal and it is entirely on them. The lack of time excuse is utter crap as they can find time for Alanna and Moiraine’s non existent family, Liandrin’s non existent son, and all of Rafe’s little obsessions.
So many issues with the episode, but one thing that strikes me about Egwane is that as bad ass as she becomes in the books, she is still the epitimy of the good side wins wen they work together and rely on your friends. The show is "I will do everything myself!" This is typically a normal distinction between the good and evil side. Good is community/teamwork, evil is selfishness. So the show does not even understand tropes...
Yeah the collar thing made no sense. She couldnt throw a jar at Rema and now she can put a collar on her being collarded herself WITH THE INTEND OF HARM.... plus they are still connected too; she should had at least suffer the pain she was also suffering if not dying.
I mean the loophole for that being she may have done it with the intention of just putting it on her and therefore no intent of harm. Finding loopholes in the thing that judges your immediate intention means you can kind of just blank slate have no intention when doing something. 🤷♀️ I found rennas fate in the show BETTER than the fate she has in the books to be honest so I'm fine with the scene. 🤷♀️ lol
Yeah they violated their own rules. She channeled her up to choke her. That’s harm.
Let's say, for kicks and giggles, that her whole declaration of how she would kill Rema one day had absolutely no influence on her decision to put the collar on her. Once the collar was on any thought of harming by either of them would have created a compounding backfeed of pain that would have eventually killed both of them.
The show did show Egwene suffering pain when hanging Renna.
@@brianstrong1510 not like the show already established she should. She should have been convulsing in pain and be unable to stand.
14:35 he also has never trained with the one power so being able to suddenly channel multiple threads and direct them with lethal accuracy is just as improbable as him suddenly knowing how to use a sword. Atleast they showed him asking tips from the crazy sword master. Thats more than he got on channeling.
It is book accurate for Rand in moments of crisis to know weaves yet not know how he knew them. Plus I think he had a line in book 4 with Egwene and Elaine that he doesn’t really have to think much if he is doing something with fire. Hopefully however the next season will give us more insight into Rand’schanneling abilities
@dominicbrennan1882 true but in the show they stated that must have someone teach him. That's why Moraine arranged for Logain to be moved to where he was. They can always retcon it next season like they do with the other things they keep changing. But I think that's all my complaints rolled up into one. We can't get a complete, well thought out and delivered storyline on our main characters because we don't have enough time in a season. But we devote lots of extra time to build up side characters and villains.
Having a teacher just means he will learn faster. It doesn’t cut away from instinctive channeling abilities.
@asmo773 ahhh so he's a Mary Sue
@@toddjackson3136 It's a major theme that he has instincts from his madness related connection to Lews Therin, he needed someone to teach him this early because he didn't even know how to control it on command, now he can but is relatively limited in his ability except for life or death situations which is consistent with the books
The joke is that Perrin will kill an innocent person every season
He is basically a criminal and a murderer in this show. And he didn't just kill an innocent man he killed a literal hero who was liberating a town from a ruthless invading and occupying foreign army. Amazing.
@@Dave3Dman I'm holding out hope for the character. I just have no idea what kind of arc they're setting up for him. Like Mat can't have the same arc as the books based on show changes, neither can Perrin now. But at least at the end of season 2 I feel like Mat's personality is recognizable. I can forgive all of this if they at least show me the smart, caring, problem-solving Perrin I love from the books. He literally hasn't solved one problem.
@@Dave3Dman Actually, that guy is planning to use that "liberation" tactic to make all of Falme see the Children of Light as liberators and indoctrinate everyone into their ideology. That would mean anyone who can weave will automatically be killed (anyone who uses the One Power is seen as a Darkfriend). We already see how horrible they are in Season 1. If Rand encountered them at this point, they would try to kill him without a second thought.
I don't think Lanfear was specifically scared of Moghedien, but just by the fact that ALL OF THEM are free
Fog rolling in off the ocean i could see being natural. Fog that defys natural law and starts on land with no storms or temperature drops...yep thats pretty sus. 42:01
Nerdy and Clarus are from Calgary, you can't really expect them to know that fog rolls in from the ocean. It's simply a matter of them flaunting their ignorance.
I fully agree on being disappointed and confused by the show's choices.
The one thing I will say, is this isn't the property with the most changes in adaptation. The original Mario Brothers movie has it beat, and I bet I could think of a few more.
This show just can't land a season ending to save its life, istg.
Haven't felt this way about a show since dragonball evolution.
Don't break off arrows... I hate that Hollywood stupidity. If you break it off it can hurt them while twisting it, especially a thick crossbow bolt (which is not going to be breakable by hand anyways). And if the arrow is broken while going through it can cause more damage than a whole arrow and leave infection causing splinters deeply embedded in the wound. It is best to leave it in until ready to close the wound but please don't break arrows off...
I mean, she's a village wisdom, not a modern surgical doctors with the internet at her fingertips. She's not gonna be perfect with everything lol. I'm just hoping they don't keep this block next full season.
@@Saphthings I mean a village wisdom (or anyone who has spent time with hunters) has seen far more arrow wounds than any modern doctor ever will.
@@nathanmorgan3647 And yet putting leeches and burning candles were at some point considered the epitome of village medicine.
@@nathanmorgan3647 Especially more with actual wooden arrows, and not plastic or aluminum, which you're far more likely to see these days.
@@Saphthings Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, which is knowing how to handle an arrow wound, but nice deflection attempt.
I think the funniest thing about this episode, is the fact that show-wheel has successfully validated all the Whitecloak conspiracies going forward tbh. 'There is no Dragon, those signs are just Tar Valon witches propping him up' bahahahahaha. Or 'Goldeneyes killed my dad!!!' lol. They actually did the whitecloaks best out of everything imo, they were good, battle tactics aside OMG can we please get someone, just one person who has some competence in the fight space. I also think it was almost as hilarious that 'it was Lanfears plan all along'. Now treating Nyn so poorly was NOT funny at all. But, up until then, i'd kinda felt like they either had a misandry problem with the choices they were making for the lads, or just no understanding of how men act in the world. Which is funny, because RJ kinda, u know, WROTE it down for reference. but after the Nyn and Min stuff this season? It's not that. It's incompetence, mixed with an arrogance that 'I know better, or I can fix this' - its not RJ's story. Good luck to them, some of it was a pretty looking, watchable show but to use the IP as a skin suit? Is gross tbh. Natasha O'Keefe is the only reason i'd give it 1 star. Oh Mads performance eps 5 and 6 too was actually really good i thought. So 2 stars.
Let’s face it. Rafe is in over his head.
He has definitely made some bad decisions and the writing has been weak. They have amazing casting, acting and chemistry and the storyline squanders a lot of it
@@GentleGiantJason not really. The casting was the first problem. The acting is CW level most of the time. But the writing is completely in the toilet.
They set Liandrin up as if she would take the role Ingtar had in book 2. Gave her tons of screen time... And then completely left her out of the finale. And also left out Ingtar's moments.
I agree Nerdy - Ingtar at the end of book 2 is among my favorite moments in the whole book series. To leave that out, and to leave out the sky battle, is really a sign that the writers don't actually like the books as they claimed. I don't see how it's possible for them to like the books when this is what they made.
Nerdy, I’m sorry, I agree or disagree with your takes here or there but Dragonmount’s formation is a symbolic, not literal, beginning to the Breaking. Everest popping up out of nowhere would barely register on a planetary scale of this late tectonics. Your better half is right, the Breaking was from the insane widespread surge of Power over time rending the earth from saidin driving male channelers insane. It was a global event that rearranged the continents because of the sheer number of male channelers and their destructive madness at the end of the AOL.
Meh. I think the breaking began at Dragonmount which happened way after Lews saved the world. All the other male channelers going 💣💥 added to the destruction of the world that once was.
To be fair, Nerdy is 100% correct about the whitecloak fog stuff. That was dumb. Like they couldn't hear that many soldiers and horses approaching, or think the fog was strange enough to close the gate. Why are there no damane guarding the gate?
That is not true.
Every aftershock that the prologue mentioned was from male Aes Sedai unleashing in other locations.@@metucker5440
Dragonmounts formation was not just symbolic. Get out of here with this. Can't believe you got thumbs up for this incorrect take. It literally tore the area asunder. The lava and magma from the formation altered the local terrain and that is literally how tar-valon was formed. It's literally in the books. There is no disagreement there. Nerdy was right about it altering the landscape but he was only slightly incorrect in how widespread the formation of dragonmount affected but he DID correct himself and attributed it to other male channelers going mad.
From the wiki: "The blast, so hot as to flash-vaporize stone, tunneled into the mantle of the Earth and caused a volcanic eruption of gigantic proportions, creating Dragonmount. This eruption caused a river that had been flowing through the area near the mountain to fork, creating an isle that would come to be known as Tar Valon.[1]"
@vech89 again, that’s a local event (relatively) that doesn’t explain why north and South America look completely different and Africa is helping Eurasia create a new supercontinent. Yes, it was locally cataclysmic and made new terrain there, but it did not cause a planet-wide rearrangement that would become known as The Breaking. The Breaking is caused by all male Aes Sedai alive at the time, a point reinforced repeatedly in the books and needing no extra leaps of logic to make work in the universe’s established canon. Dragonmount’s formation was *part* of the Breaking, it was the starting pistol, but it was not the sole cause of the worldwide cataclysm as Nerdly asserted.
Also sorry to pile on @Nerdy Nightly, maybe you address it in the final 20 minutes of the video I haven’t watched yet, but you’re wrong about Hopper. I hate to break it to you, but ya boy Hopper died in Eye of the World. His death causes Perrin to murder two Whitecloaks. That was essentially recreated in the finale here. In the books, all of Hopper’s subsequent interactions with Perrin were in TAR.
But damn that wolf dog can act! Had me misting up. 😢
I did get that wrong!
My theory about Mat: The dagger-anderei and his memories of the Heroes are foreshadowing. He’s gonna lose the dagger and the memories after the battle, then get facsimiles back from the Finn.
That would be dumb. I mean the memories part. I have a bad feeling that’s Mat’s weapon. Sanderson said it and he has insider information.
PS: the show filmed a lot of scenes that were cut n some ocations Deleted. There was leaked that Lord Ingtar scenes was filmed but was not use for the episode.
Gay sex scenes were more important, as was breaking Lan and Moiraine's bond for no reason just to reestablish it bringing them full circle to S1E1, clearly.
I struggle with that. They already knew how much time they had. Doesn't make sense for them to overshoot and have to drop things on the editing board unless they're winging it.
@@bidossessi same for me is a steaming release they don’t have a live Windos time to meet, they can easily release episodes with different running times. Having episodes barring from 50-90 min each would not affect them at all but enhances the experience given each episode the time it needs to explain what’s going on to the viewers.
@@nicolascardillo7615 agreed. Running time doesn't matter with streaming. There is no real need to artificially restrict length unless you plan to air it on some TV channels eventually...
With Game of Thrones you could bring up those moments from the show with non book readers and it would make them so stoked for the books because you could tell them it's even better there.
Sadly you are right, Whole Jordan thing was " It was about them all" he emphasized so many times that they all need each other and no one can achieve anything alone, it was the moto of the book, even Rand had to learn that hard way ... yet Rafe had Egwene save herself and break the whole idea of relying on others! It is a good drama for the show but it is not Jordan's Ideology !
It's not even a good drama for the show. It's just Rafe fan girling.
There are times you should depend on your friends sure. But I think after being enslaved and whipped for so long it isn't a "I can do things myself!" moment to have her free herself. She immediately got slapped into a wall, and then had to have help. She didn't actually get out by herself, if they hadn't been there she would've lost again.
@@Saphthingsand then held her own against a forsaken when literally 1 episode previous, Siuan shields a power holding Rand and doesn't break a sweat. When Ishamael shielded and stopped a fully trained Moiraine without even trying.
But egwene held him off for ANY length of time.
No. This was Egwenes bad ass girl boss moment and it came at the expense of plot, of in show rules/logic and the chatacters and arcs of Nynaeve/Elaine and Rand.
It was completely and utterly ridiculous.
and now there are no collared sul'dam for Suroth to find....guess that whole storyline gets cut.
@@ianohlander Oh don't get me wrong, it's still a badass moment! Still doesn't mean she never needs help.
But I get it. Rand can have his OP moments where he just owns everyone with the one power. Matt can have his moments where he just uses his luck powers and "staff" where he solos everyone. Perrin can have his moments where he wolf solos a group of people.
But Egwene can't have a moment after she's been enslaved and beaten where she also shines. Especially since *spoilers* she has her bs ending where she's the only one really that ends badly. Got it. If she solos something she doesn't learn about the group being important.
just 2 cents from a non-book reader... I burst out laughing so many times watching wheel of time I lost count... so silly and dumb scenes, choices, special effects etc. I'm not hating the show, but I saw somewhere it was supposed be on the same level as GoT (fantasy show wise)... so to say it didn't deliver is an understatement. I bet books are so much better and more interesting, right? 😀
Exactly 💯 so I don't get why some on here are saying Nerdy is being harsh when he makes good point. The show is laughable because there were so many dumb scene. Even if I hadn't known there was supposed to be Sky Battle, I still thought the whole fight with Ishy was very underwhelming. The Dragon Reborn Is Rand and he's supposed to be dangerous yet To me he's more like a side character as dangerous as a kitten. And that's the least issues with this show Lol
It's sad because I feel like the show has a lot of things going for it. The acting is generally pretty great all around. The visual effects keep getting more interesting. The music is unique, although sometimes I'm not honestly the biggest fan. But man, the plotting of the show is a DISASTER. While I'm not quite on Brandon Sanderson's level of disdain for what they're doing, anyone with a basic English 101 understanding of how to write fiction would realize they keep undermining motivations for characters or not fulfilling arcs in a way that would make sense. The ending of this episode is completely nonsensical. Pushing fletchings through a wound. Egwene fighting Rand's battle. Moiraine murdering hundreds. Moiraine and Lan not just... reopening the Ways and following Lanfear. The Horn of Valere just being snatched with no struggle, but then suddenly Turak cares about it? Mat's ashandarei. The heron mark. I just... it's obvious that they jotted down a list of "these are things that the fans want to see" and not "this is what propels the character forward or resolves prophecy."
It's honestly my hope that this show just puts the series on the map as far as fantasy stories go so that in another 20 years or so someone picks it up ala Dune and makes something better.
I hate the spear. Being near the lightsaber, oops I mean dagger, is supposed to corrupt. Also the way he casually swings it near friends..... plus it's just tacky and dumb.
Even if it doesn’t corrupt, it still won’t stay in place the way that it was tied to the end of that bed post.
They did film the Ingtar confession scene, but they had to cut it for pacing reasons. But they said it was canon and are planning to release it as a deleted scene.
Lmao, so they keep all the other bloat but cut one of the top scenes from the series that constantly is brought up as a favorite. This showrunner and writers room is out to lunch. The entire season is filled with bloat. Unbelievable.
My heart sank when Nerdy said he was exited for the sky battle. This whole thing is just so sad…
@@cliveklg7739it would have looked fuckin awesome wdym?
One thing I was pleasantly surprised with was Masema's badassery. I mean I didn't expect him to be a slouch, being a veteran of many battles against the trollocs, but they really made a show of his skill.
They got the actor who played Sihtric in The Last Kingdom!
That’s because he’s the only good casting in the show. This show casts actors and writes the characters to fit the actor. With Masema they didn’t care enough about him to do that so they accidentally casted someone good.
This video's title...is what I was expecting.
I think that because she was now a suldam and she was “linked” with Renna, that’s why she was able to channel. She was using Renna’s own ability to channel against her.
Nerdy was talking when Rena said, "you feel everything I feel". That's what stops you harming sul'dam you feel what they feel (three times over or something in the show).
The channeling without permission is very arm wavey but if you consider that Egg knows how to channel them she can take the little bit of power Rena has and use it to lift her (not a weapon)...
She couldn't even lift a pitcher of water because she imagines harming Rena with it, and this is show-only stuff
@RokujyuuyonShou That's being unable to touch an item you think is a weapon. Not the same as doing no harm.
Pretty sure it's clearly show only, none of this happened this way in the books 😁
@@WinterOnTheWeb Yeah so being able to grab the collar and put it on Rena is a huge stretch and being able to channel like that with the intent to kill goes against any point of having these bands to begin with if they allowed for that, it's a huge plothole in the show
Winter Dragon could still happen, with some tweaks. Ishy will just have to show up as a magic projection or madness-induced hallucination or something. If he could mess around with people's dreams while still being imprisoned in season one, maybe he did the same thing to Lews..? It's not *that* much weirder than having him randomly fade in and out of reality or whatever was going on in the books. (It's been like twenty years for me, things are a bit fuzzy.)
Also, you saw what happens to a damane when they are _NOT_ at the top of this tower... Nynaeve's suldam-damane got a crossbow bolt in her neck...
Yeah, it is almost like people die in war. Weird, huh??
Oh, Nerdy. When you said you were excited for the Sky Battle™ my bottom lip involuntarily stuck itself out.
Dragonmount was definitely at the end of the breaking, not what set it off.
Fog is fog whether you're in N America, Asia, Seanchan, or Fal Darma. xD Natural laws work the same.
Not to defend the show (because it has an awful lot of problems), but Perrin didn't just grab a shield that turned out to be magic, it was given to him by a Hero of the Horn (yeah Uno, sure), and it seems that Uno joined Perrin purposefully to give him the shield. Also, I"m not a military guy, but even to me, it seems clear (like in the end of season 1) that the writers don't know anything about military strategy.
I don't remember heros of the horn having access to DND magic items. Or was it Captain America's shield?
C'mon now. Don't defend this hot mess.
@@nathanmorgan3647 Not saying it's a good idea, and I'm also not in the business of comparing the tv show to the books. Why couldn't the heros of the show have access to DND spells ? Frankly, it only doesn't make sense if you know the books, but in the tv show it's far from being the most stupid thing they have done so far. But, my point was that Perrin didn't just grab a magic shield that was laying, abandoned in the streets of Falm, it was specifically given to him.
I'm not trying to defend the show, I'm trying to be fair in my criticisms and except complaining because "it's different from the books", this shield thing is not, I repeat, the most stupid thing they have done, in this episode alone.
@@nathanmorgan3647 They get a silver arrow from T'A'R Brigitte in FoH
The Heroes of the Horn magic isn't really something concrete the way the OP is in the books. It's pretty clear that they are basically invincible but guided by events happening in the real world. I've always thought of it like the world of dreams is melded with the real world for a time, since that seems to be where the Heroes stay when they're not spun out.
So the idea that Gaidal Cain gives Perrin a shield doesn't seem too far fetched. I have more problems with just the staging of the Ishy Rand stuff on the Tower than the decision on having Perrin help with a magic shield.
The issue of Ishy and Rand that way, can easily be the fact that all that was seen was foretold.
Doing it the book way would be too off putting to non book readers.
The only scenes and moments that is like that from any source material, is the CW Legends moment when Vandal Savage brainwashes Hawkman, and when Oliver fought Ras Al' Ghul.
They just utilise the show brainwash version differently from the comics, while Oliver vs Ras Al'Ghul fight was exact to the comic story it came from, but with one difference. Oliver was nursed back to health in the comic by Batman.@@HastyElderHaman
Elayne healing the most grevious wound in the series is WILD... granted we know it's not completely healed.
IIRC, Elayne couldn't trusted to heal a papercut
Daniel Greene and Brandon Sanderson would be great for you to talk to!!!
Honestly for me this season was an improvement over season 1 and was good for like two episodes. Only positives I can really give are that the Seanchan look cool, the Aiel are badass af (as they should be), and the Forsaken are perfect. Really the best characters of this season were the Forsaken.
Sooooooooo how did Mo 'release' the bond while she was under the impression she was stilled..? And if she had the option of releasing the bond, why would she continue to think se was stilled lol. I guess ShowMo is just not smart like book Mo, who would know if she could release it she still had the power, but if we were sticking to RJ's rules i guess she wouldnt be able to undo the power while shielded either.
She released the bond in s1x8 before she left for the blight.
@@Ailthas no she didnt, she masked it. Lan says like one of the episodes S2 that she has 'released it' now.
@aldan7812 I remember him saying he never asked for it to be released. I remember Alanna saying his bond had been released. Point me to where he said that it was just released. Remember in episode 1 where he is confused why he couldn't sense the fades. It's not a far leap to think the bond was already gone.
@@Ailthas Im not saying she didnt 'release' it before ep 1, maybe she did - i'm saying she wouldnt have been able to do that without access to the power. She masked the bond before leaving with Rand for the Eye in S1. So, she can't touch the power after this. So, therefore, she can't modify the masked bond is my point. It was dumb. Contrived dumbness.
@@aldan7812 She masked it and then released it. That's why she sent Lan away and pushed him toward Nynaeve. Moiraine masked the Bond with the excuse that she is giving them privacy and then released it. He doesn't know, still thinking The Bond is masked. She is not worried at all about him going suicidal, even though she thinks she is stilled, because there was no Bond to be broken at all. When you see it from the different points of view of the people involved it makes perfect sense, considering who knows what. Alanna tells him: "Your bond wasn't broken, she took it. " He never says the Bond is released until episode 8 on the beach after he realized she was shielded.
12:31 - "They already have the Horn?!"
Listen to how they say they got it. "Some Cairhien woman helped us" or something like that. And with Bayle Domon later mentioning that a certain woman is far from Cairhien, well.. We know who helped them get the Horn!
Is that good TV in your eyes? Some off phrase about how they somehow got the most important artifact in the show so far offscreen and are now wandering the streets with it? Is that satisfactory to you?
As someone who didn't read the series, that line went over my head and I didn't connect who did it. This is why for non-readers yes I can somewhat enjoy the show but I'm also not invested in any of the characters EXCEPT for the bad guys like Lanfear. The magic system is broken too and the timeline doesn't make much sense either so tbh many scenes felt rushed and just bad writing overall. Still ofc there were some cool moments.
I have read the books also. I think we have to remember that they are getting the basic story through without acting out every single thing that happened in the books. Every season would have to be about 50 episodes long! I honestly think they did great getting the story told while skipping some scenes. I do enjoy your reactions though!
Always love hearing your thoughts and insights!
Things I needed to see this season. (Only read the books once a couple years ago.)
1. Flicker flicker.
2. Sky Fight.
3. Ingtar Last Stand.
4. Matt blowing the horn.
5. Lan and Rand training the sword forms.
6. Rand/Turak fight.
7. Thom being alive.
8. Egwene’s enslavement and abuse.
9. Nynaeve’s test.
10. Liandrins betrayal.
11. Egwene = dreamer.
12. Rand meets with Siuan
13. Padan Fain rescued + evil prophesy.
14. Fireworks
When I close my eyes, and try to remember The Great Hunt - these are the scenes that stick out to me.
The last quarter of The Great Hunt was what solidified for me, that I was going to read WoT all the way through. I had DNF’d The Eye of the World 3 or 4 times before finally finishing The Great Hunt.
I was shocked at Ingtar’s reveal, and it is still one of the moments seared into my brain from the series. And the tv completely butchered it. Not having the Sky Fight was a huge disappointment. Most reactors that watched during the strike seemed to enjoy this ending, and I felt weird for being like “Nah, this was absolute shit.”
It’s getting harder and harder to be motivated to watch the show, when I don’t feel they respect the aspects of what makes WoT - WoT.
The Lan/Moraine stuff was so dumb. The only positive spin that I can put on it is that maybe they were trying to more heavily emphasize the main theme of the series: Men and Women succeed and are at their strongest, when we work together. So the only thing I can think of is that maybe that is what they were trying to show. That Lan and Moraine struggle when they don’t work together. If that is what they were trying, it still didn’t work for me.
It’s the same way that everyone showing up to protect Rand makes sense thematically - but didn’t work on any other level for me. How is a forsaken losing to someone who hasn’t passed their accepted test? Let’s put aside the fact that I personally believe that Ishamael should be able to blow apart Egwene’s shield. Why doesn’t he try other attacks?
Also. I wholeheartedly have to agree with Nerdy. The tactics in this show are insane. In military units you have people that are trained in different roles, and they all fight together. For example, when I was stationed in Korea; our company was broken up into squads in the case we had to conduct offensive infantry operations. So even though my day to day job was keeping a network up. I was still trained as the radio operator for my squad, as well as the medic (CLS training until a real medic could show up.)
My point - Damane should be with the rank and file soldiers. Offering shields, chucking fireballs and such. Some on the tower is great. They can provide overhead support, and provide information to units at the street level. But not everyone. If everyone is in the tower, and the tower takes a direct hit, you lose everything. In Korea, we had the main facility where we provided communication for the base. But we had a couple of fall back facilities that we could move to, and get things up and running in a matter of hours, if our base was overrun. It’s just basic military strategy.
Why don’t the Seanchan close the gate when the White cloaks attack? Why don’t the white cloaks start the attack with siege weapons while groups try to secure a gate?
Why does Ingtar say “One man can hold off fifty.” When he’s standing in a wide ass street? That street could easily hold four or five men abreast. And we know that because he immediately dies.
Why do the archers attacking Lan stop firing their arrows at him?
Why do the soldiers attacking Lan go in one at a time instead of approaching in some coherent structure and taking him down?
There’s so much here that just doesn’t make sense to me.
Oh? You found the Ninja Archer! I thought he was a running gag. He popped up in an elevated AO that had complete command on the battlefield, fired off one arrow, then disappeared back in episode 6. He made TWO appearances in this one.
I assume someone offscreen just bonked him on the head. That's the way this show typically gets characters out of a scene. Just bonk them on the head.
Ninja Archer was out patrolling an empty beach. Not sure how empty beach took priority over areas that could have contained, i don't know... GIANT TREBUCHET war machines that take days to build by army engineers, which I'm sure the White Bandits had plenty of.
The empty beach fight scene was edited out of order. The sequence starts with a body on the ground, filled with arrows. Hilarious stuff considering our funny Ninja Archer was a real Blue Falcon. The bodies on the ground have zero continuity. Easily top 3 worst fight scene in a show filled with irredeemable fight scenes.
I think one of the worst things about S2 was the lack of atoryline for Min
She never did much in book 2 either. What we saw here was much more, which I think was smart using her to steer Mat's show arc.
Or the lack of a recognizable Min, both physically and otherwise.
@@shauntempley9757huh? She didn’t do much in book 2? She helped save Egwene from the Seanchan. She was Elayne’s and Nynaeve’s person on the inside. She did a lot in book 2. She disappeared in book 3.
@@christianrapper5And kept the DR alive
@@robinirie98 you mean at the end? That was actually Lanfear when she healed Rand. Min did help keep him warm
I like your explanation of the Lan/Moiraine subplot this season. You really nailed why for me (a non book reader) it was so blah.
The very end (with Lanfear) was great.
Genuinely laughed out loud when you said “wow amazing that loial is ok” 👌
I'd suggest watching the reaction to the finale with Sanderson, the Innkeeper, and Daniel Green. It is worth the watch for Sanderson's comments alone.
I like Sanderson, but cannot stand the other two.
Quick question. If you had just observed the fulfilment of a prophecy that heralded the return of a male channeller who will either save or destroy the world, would you clap and cheer?
And how exactly would they know a heralded savior had appeared? Dragons are not known. There has never been any dragon heraldry depicted or mentioned. It's just a word.
Let's make a new one so we don't confuse our real world assumptions. The "glukenheim reborn". The glukenheim will appear again....
And what the hell is a glukenheim? The people in the streets saw indiscriminate slaughter from multiple sides. They saw Channeling from the tower destroying them and their town.
They did not see the fight on the tower. It was too far away. They only know that is where the invading magic users are.
And now, even though things seem to calm for a moment from the Tower, the evil magic users may he up to something.
All of a sudden some fire beast appears!!! You don't recognize it. It seems to take roost over the city.
Now I'd not stick around. I don't know wtf that thing is. I certainly wouldn't connect it with a glukenheim because I don't know what that is.
Even if I wondered, I'd maybe still run and hide just in case b3cause it could just as easily be some new threat the evil invading magic users have summoned that is about to kill everyone.
If the show had established dragon symbolism, then maybe some might piece it together. Maybe if that imagery was as ubiquitous as the cross or some other religious symbol. Enough that just the sight conveys who it is.
But the show doesn't bother to establish ANY of that. Not one mention or laying the groundwork in 16 episodes across 3 years. Nothing in the extras or animated shorts.
Nothing. Once again a failure to lay the groundwork to communicate.
But the show runner is more interested in getting to "cool" scenes without bothering to let then earn their power or impact.
He just has Ingtar declare "the light and house shinowa"- a line from the book- minus any impact that line would have.
He just has Lan snap "cat crosses the courtyard" at Rand without bothering to do the emotional work to give that scene the power and resonance it deserved.
Lines tossed off like sops to fans that ignores why they meant anything.
Because dithering about in the story of Alanna and her warders or Moiraines family or the manufactured break between Lan and Moiraine was more important than the ACTUAL story the climax was supposed to be a climax TO!
Rafe Judkins undercuts his production team and even some beautiful writing and acting with just ridiculous focus and pacing.
He has created the WOT equivalent of the star wars sequels that tries to get by on momentary unearned moments- memberberries- that are devoid of any impact.
The one sentence I hear in every review of this show “I’m happy that it makes sense for you”.
1) To justify Moriane being there she just got a bunch of plot lines; ....ok. 2) Ishy was a vampire from the Buffyverse all along?
You should know Ishamael is a nihilist that is why he just stood there and took it.
I liked how Ishy escaped into death at the end of the fight after being imprisoned for 3000 years. It's like he got what he asked for at the beginning of the episode. He knew Lanfear betrayed him so when Rand didn't choose him, Ishy let them win so he could be at peace till the wheel spins him out again.
I agree the battle was weak. However, most basic viewers are unaware of how it works so they made it for drama and simplicity that looks ok.
Edit to add: I totally agree with the whole soooooo 13 heros of the horn show up....were the rest on break? Plus, Matt didn't want to be tied to the horn in the book and Hawkwing said he wasn't. Hence he could still say he is no hero in the books. This ends that.
Rafe asked before season two was done, which people wanted the end of great hunt battle in the sky or the stuff at tear. That was when I guessed he might cut it. I was hoping to be wrong...there was speculation that he would somehow combine it into one seen at Tear instead of Falme. *sigh*. I missed the ending in the books and just keep saying the mantra: its a new turning over and over....
The arrow is the most ridiculous moment of all.
If you can't snap the shaft, at least pull the damn feathers out first! 🤦♀️🤦♂️🤦😅😂
I only had two problems with this episode: 1. How did Egwine put the collar on Renna? It made no sense. 2. Rand just casually walking and stubbing Ishamael. I mean, who watched this scene and thought to himself: Yeah, that's looks good. He just stood there. Also (I know I only said two things but...) Egwine stood against Ishamael WAY too much time - as the friggin' most powerful forsaken.
Yeah, when you think about it, it's bad. It's really bad. But overall this season had so many good (even really good) moments that I'm willing to give them a pass and still be excited about season 3.
Hope they'll fix some of these issues later on.
Just finished the season today. Better than the first season for the most part. Better finale than the first season for sure. There were parts I liked and didn't like, but overall I think it was decent/good. It's not as good if I constantly try to critique it against the books, but if I just chill and watch it for what it is I think it's decent. Some things that stuck out to me this episode that bugged me were Rand not doing much again in a major battle, didn't these dudes battle in the sky in the books? Was hoping all this power would burst out of him and do some crazy shit. And for being a Forsaken who is supposed to be all powerful and probably has access to weaves that people don't in this age... he just stood there in his butler outfit, casting level 1 fireballs over and over until someone walked up to him and stabbed him. Both him and Rand should have easily been able to pull out some shit that far surpasses what we have seen from any normal Aes Sedai. Lame. The lead up to the fight was okay, but the fight if you can call it that was bad. As for you two commenting on why the people are cheering that dragon "banner", well I'm pretty sure they all know the prophecies of the dragon and the dragon banner. The prophecies state that the Dragon Reborn will mark his arrival with a dragon banner in that specific city so I'm sure they all know who it is. You said no one knows what a dragon is because there is no dragon. I would seriously hope they all know what a dragon is considering the dragon banner is even a thing, and they all know about the dragon reborn. They wouldn't be using the word Dragon if it was something they didn't know what it was.
For Matt, in the books he has been the one who has blown the horn in his previous incarnations. He is a master war strategist and quarterstaff user. That's why he said "I remember" and swirled the spear and shouted in a foreign language, and why one of the Heroes said something like we have fought with you before and we will fight with you again or something. But... I do agree with you if we are going just by the show, what has Matt done to get any wins.
Oh, and Nynaeve did a shit load of nothing and was a waste of space the whole episode. She is probably my most disliked character out of all of them. She has mostly been insufferable for 2 seasons. Granted, she was acting less bitchy in the last few episodes but she still did fuck all.
The CGI for the dragon at the end was so bad/ugly.
CGI throughout this show is bad/ugly 😢
It’s funny because Brandon Sanderson has been very politically correct in regards to the show up to this point but when he did a watch through of this finale with the inn keeper and Daniel Green he was very clearly pissed about how it was handled
"Choices were made."
Lol. Or........they weren't. As most of this writing can be summed up as, "so anyway then a thing happened".
I think germans were cofused to, so they changed the line into: "You cant´t the stronger chaneller."
Re: Why can Egwene channel? I think it's simply that she's stronger than Renna. If you're using magic to have a mind control battle, the stronger channeler should win. I guess. Idk if that's the reason but it's as good a reason as any since we have no idea what happens in this scenario.
Your theory means that the a'dam is not the one doing the controlling; it's the suld'am wearing it. That falls flat when no-one is wearing the bracer but the damane is still incapable of any rebellious free will.
Can't have no man save Egwene! She a strong independent wahman
A man didn't save Egwene in this book.
@DeadsySedai hell yeah! Rand you just go take a lie down. Egwene will break herself free, kill her captor, fight the strongest forsaken to a standstill, cry people back to life (like you tried with that little girl in the books Rand but you suck and couldnt), and I bet she will fix the weather and cleanse the taint too.
@@DeadsySedai the reason I mention a man is because they show Rand clearly coming to save her
@@dbjdi But Rand did not save her in the book, even though he meant to. The problem here has nothing to do with a man saving her or not. It's her not getting help from Nynaeve and Elayne.
@@DeadsySedaiit's her freeing herself from the a'dam by channeling somehow, even though the WHOLE of episode 6 was about how impossible that is.
They should re-dub this into a satirical abridged version so that things can actually make more sense. Such a version would probably be truer to the books than this is too.
We should get Nerdy to do it DBZ Abridged style...
My biggest complaint of the finale was the pathetic display of the horn. And I remember saying exactly the same thing as Clarus, make them blinking blips in the mist if you can’t afford 100 extras who can fight.
you do know/remember that Hopper did die in book 1..
I have read the book series many times and I love the show. I can not wait for season 3.
Hopper died in the first book. He gets killed when they encounter the white cloaks at the statue of Artur Hawkwing in the steading. Hoppers death caused Perin to go berserk and kill two white cloaks. Hopper returns later in the "wolf dream" where dead wolves live on.
I was thinking Ishy could visit Lews in TAR and make him temporarily "sane" in TAR and then Lews wakes/steps out the dream and raises Dragonmount. As show seems to establish that Ishy could touch dreams while sealed as he talks about "practicing" in TAR with Lanfear. So instead of Ishy being able to leave the seal every thousand years, he can influance the world through TAR.
Girl, you're dead wrong on all the military strategy and tactics stuff. xD
Nerdy, you are right 100%. This is why I love you guys. Not afraid to point out the bad with the good. The best parts of this season are the moments that are from the books (even if changed) like Avi(Gaul)/Perrin fight. That said, I know we won't get any major fan favorite moments from the books due to all the changes and the constant removal of moments from Rand. I just can't continue the show. I won't even finish it. I watched the highlights of episode 8 but I will never continue forward. Season 2 was the final shot I was willing to give and they missed it by a mile. The only thing that could bring me back is if Season 3 followed the books exactly but I'll wait for your review of Season 3 before starting.
After 2 weeks I finally manage to rewatch your guys reaction to S2, n that was with constant YT recommendations to continue to next video. Now that I have I feel I have lost iQ levels, n that I need to tell my Doctor I’m a masochistic.
FYI, if one was in need of removing an arrow from a wound before modern medicine, the correct approach is to use a "spoon of Diocles" to allow you to pull the arrow back out without doing further damage to the flesh. Do not push it through, do not snap off the end (that's going to leave splinters and crap in the wound).
You think the show was petty? You didn't read the books? Robert Jordan HATED women, clearly. If I never hear the phrases "woolgathering," "folded her hands under her breasts," or "tugged fiercely on her braid" again, it'll be 20 minutes too soon.
The memories Mat gets from the Finn are not his past lives. They are memories the Finn have gathered from other people that have come into their realm.
What the hell is a Finn?
Now that you guys have seen the finale, I can say the show is written with clues that only make sense on re-watch. Here's what I could piece together from the clues.
This season is really all about Lanfear/Selene/Lady from Cairhien's manipulating everyone from behind the scenes. From the clues provided, we can infer "the lady from Cairhien" aka Lanfear sold Bayle Domon a piece of her cuendillar together with a poem hinting at Lanfear's own release from the seal. Bayle Domon in turn sold the poem to Moirane, who then rushes to cairien to save Rand from Lanfear. In other words crazy as it sounds, Lanfear set herself up to be stabbed by Moirane. This is all part of Lanfear's scheme to gain Rand's trust.
Lanfear broke Ishy's plan to lure/capture/corrupt Rand's friends by showing Ishy has captured Egwene, making Rand rush to Falme to save her before Ishy has time to corrupt Matt and Perrin. Ishy realizes his plan has fallen apart, but makes a last half hearted attempt to turn Rand to the dark side. It clearly fails and Ishy just gives up, opting to do better in the next turning of the wheel.
In top of that, it was Lanfear who broke Ingtar, Masema and Loial out and gave them the Horn of Valere. And since Liandrin is terrified of Lanfear, I would not be surprised if Lanfear commanded Liandrin to give Egwene, Nynaeve and Elayne to the Seanchan as Damane, and for Min to lead Matt to Cairhien too.
Would be a hell of a lot simpler for Lanfear to brainwash some thug into attacking and stabbing her.
You telling me that Lanfear sold a priceless artifact to a smuggler on the off chance that the smuggler would know not only an Aes Sedai, but Moiraine specifically? And that Moiraine would rush in at just the right time to be seen stabbing?
Coincidence after coincidence after improbable coincidence, none of which Lanfear could have possibly orchestrated.
It's dumb dumb dumb
@@nathanmorgan3647 No coincidence at all. In episode 8, we saw Lanfear instructing Bayle Domon to dump 6 cuendillar seals in the middle of the ocean. We can infer that Lanfear not only know Bayle Domon, she has had Bayle to do something similar before. Watch Bayle and Moiraine's conversation in episode 1 from 27 minute, 25 seconds. Which is easier, that a random merchant like Bayle Domon some how stumbling upon a broken piece of cuendillar that sealed Lanfear? Or Lanfear paid Bayle Domon to sell Moiraine a broken piece of her own cuendillar seal as well as the poem engraved on it.
@@intrinsicaleasier is that we don't have to rewatch and still be grasping at straws. Until the show confirms it, one theory is as good as another, and all of it is conjecture.
Nerdy is completely right when he is talking about tactics. If you saw that amount of smoke or fog, the very least you would do is fully defend the stronghold (close the gates, man the walls, etc). You would probably have kill zones (or something) setup in the city for your damane to target. Unfortunately I don't expect that level of detail in this show, they excuse most logic to get people to the right places. Not saying that I hate the show or anything, they have definitely done some great things. Its really just seeing some of the cool scenes from the books on screen at this point.
I don't know why the cute fire caterpillar didn't spin a cocoon, and emerge as a cool dragon. That was disappointing.
It was sparkly! Twilight reject maybe?
I think she could put the collar on her because the collar wants to be placed on someone to be healed. Also when they both have the collar on, Egwene is stronger in the power. That is how I see it working!
Donal was cast while season one was airing, before season two was filmed. Rafe had the decision to have them all separate. A poor decision on his part. He didn’t give Mat any time. Lan does nothing all season (pissing on a tree is a good analogy of what he had to do this season ).
I agree with most of your thoughts, but Hopper dies in the first book. You're thinking the dream world.
So many people have (thankfully) not grown up around fanatical christians, Dain's comment "we have something they don't have" is the inflated ego of someone who thinks they know what god's side is, and that they are incrontrovertibly on god's side and god has their back no matter what.
It sits in my gut like poison, I hate that mindset, and all the hurt caused by it in the real world, and in WoT.
Are you sure that's what they meant in the show? The "God on our side" argument, I mean. Could it not have been something much more mundane, or tactical, like the fog or the trebuchets?
@@bidossessi given the fanaticism of the white cloaks, I immediately assume that's what he meant, it cold be something else, I don't know what, but maybe it is?
He was talking about the smoke and the siege engines
@@ianohlander no, I disagree with you. The Whitecloaks are fanatics, I grew up around religious fanatics, and those are the kinds of comments fanatics make. You don't make weird comments like that about siege engines, you make comments like that when you think you have moral superiority...and that is the Whitecloaks to a T.
@StoryTimewithMissAnna perhaps you are right. The statement is ambiguous. If they really were referring to the light being on their side, you might expect it to be more explicit. I too was raised in a religious high control group and they talked about their favored status (they were "true christians" who would survive armageddon) so I am familiar with the thinking.
It didn't strike me as overt in group speak. I would have expected them to invoke their favored status repeatedly to stoke their intensity before battle.
In that context, what we saw seems....limp. maybe that's that the writers intended but from my personal experience, they missed the mark.
Still, something to consider.
30:04 "I can't believe you fell for the oldest trick in the book! What a goof! What's with you man? Come on!"
Hahah same vibes. The difference is one is an unintentional parody
My favorite part was when Matt said "I remember" and somehow that explains everything ,right?
It was almost as bad (but not as cringy) as "she has a tell"
@@colsanders4036 Haha, this show is full of such gems.
When the bracelet fell off Renna's arm... She was no longer tied to Egwene..... ALL bets are off
I hated that Voldemort disintegrated in the movie explicitly because Ishamael did not disintegrate in TDR, he leaves a corpse, and Moiraine says it must be human to leave a corpse. And so I liked that Voldemort also left a body because horrible as he was, he was just a man and not some magical other. And this is why I think Ishamael didn't die here and left an illusion.
6:00 Faith. They are the Creator's chosen. Since they walk in the Light they can never be defeated by Shadow. I find it amusing that the the one time the show decides to not spell something out, it comes across as an incomplete statement.
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Mobius and the Doctor learned to appreciate time passing and chose to bask in the humanity they are always working to save. 🥰
I'm enjoying character parallels in my shows, can you tell?
Perrin's shield was given to him by a conjured hero of the horn
I'm not sure if this is how Mat gets his memories or not. When the horn blows the first time in the books Rand remembers a ton of stuff he shouldn't that then seems to fade. Maybe this and the drugs from Ishy is why he gets his memory holes, and why he asks to remember again?
But this could just be how he gets the memories.
Dragonmount is created during the Breaking of the World by Lews Therin Telamon after the Dark One tainted saidin? .. i took the breaking to be the ongoing destruction by the men.
Hoping this Matt spear thing isn't ongoing. Would have liked to see him get his proper spear. And his Rhuidean scene.
Trying to remember where the dagger ended up after Matt was cleansed. Locked in the white tower?
Why are we seeing true power so early. Even in the book that was confusing.
I also read it that the men who had gone mad from the taint broke the world. LTT was one of them, and had his moment of lucidity, leading to Dragonmount. Dragonmount was created during the Breaking.
If we don't get Rhuidean, I will be sorely disappointed.
Yes, dagger was locked in the tower till Fain showed up and sweetalked Elaida, at which point he stole it back.
1:06:36 A narrative? Lol dude it’s not a narrative, it’s just simply what it is. At this point there are hundreds of examples. It’s in every single production. You could have maybe tries to deny it 5 years ago but that ship has sailed.
I just hope season 3 isn't as boring as 2