TRILL: Cultural Index
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- A person owes who they are to a collection of memories and experiences. So what happens when those memories get extended and added to from 5,6,7 new people? That person is still you aren't they? Just you plus... more?
Questions like this are why Trill Initiates undergo three years of training before getting a Symbiont.
So yeah, We're looking at the Trill, joined or not.
This is the Cultural Index a series aimed at exploring various Science-Fiction species.
For outsiders to a series to get to know the basics and maybe even hardened Sci-fi nuts might discover something new.
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Hold up, we want to hear about their transportation system.
I know, right!?
My thoughts exactly!
It's so funny these things are just Evil Symbiots but call themselves 'Symbiotic' even though they do not fullfill any Requirement of that Description, and most Fans don't even seem to have noticed.
As we saw in the First Trill of 'The Next Generation', these are just Goa'uld (for those who know them...):
They care nothing about the Hosts, whose personality gets surpressed completly and whose Live means nothing. They are not at all distressed when the Body dies and clearly Favor one life over another. One Race over another. It's all very obvious. This is not what Symbiotic means, for crying out loud!
Neither Star Trek Characters nor Fanbase seems to have noticed this?! Wow.
Slevin Channel they give knowledge and experience to the hosts, giving the Trill guidance and an overall better life.
@@slevinchannel7589 symbiotic simply refers to the higher order of category. In that that category has to be broken down into more categories. symbiotic relationships come in the form of parasitic, commensal, and mutual. No one is saying which these symbionts are. simply that the trill and the slugs have a biological relationship
So the Symbiot is like a more beneficial version of the Gua'uld
Similar to the Tok'ra.
@@freezetasticvoyage19 same species different habits.
Although the Goauld does give you some nice physical perks and potentially a lot of knowledge from the genetic memory.
But then again on the other hand I would guess that the transfer of skills and knowledge is a little bit smoother for the Trill seeing as the Goauld and it's host still are distinct personalities.
Which of course can also be seen as an advantage since your personality remains largely unaltered but can also lead to some problems since the host and the Goauld can disagree.
And finally there is also the problem that if they disagree the Goauld usually does have the last word in the actions taken which since most of them are kind of a over-the-top cliche bad guys more often than not mean that your personality might be unchanged, but suppressed entirely.
Also I think the intelligence boost might be bigger for a Goauld but I'm not certain about that.
The are similar in many forms but they have major differences like the trill symbiots don't take control of the host but guauld are usually in control. Plus trill almost become one being while the quauld are mostly (in the case of the good ones) two different beings
@@agentwisconsin3184 they are separate even if the Goauld is let's say a system Lord the hosts personality just has no control over the body at all.
If I ever deigned to get a full body tattoo, it'd have to be Trill spots
I actually have thought about it bc I think it looks so pretty
my boyfriend and I had a fun thought of naming our kids trill like names tattooing spots on our bodies and pretending to be trill as our kids grew up
@@angelkitty41 I think as long as u dont tattoo the kids that's pretty awesome😋
@@beberivera7011 Haha of course we weren't going to tattoo the kids. Just ourselves, really confuse them. it was an amusing thought
@@angelkitty41 it would be fun!
In an emergency, a Trill can be joined with a symbiote without going through the initiate training program. This was the case with Ezri Tigan who was Joined with Dax in order to save its life after the violent death of Jadzia left the Dax symbiote critically wounded. Ezri was simply the only Trill available at the time and to them, ALL other priorities are secondary to the survival of the symbiote. Besides Ezri Dax was the CUTEST officer in Starfleet. Cuteness always gets a pass.😁
I kinda wish they'd had more time to explore that in the show than they did, but they only had one season and a massive war arc to wrap up, so I understand why "fleshing out what it must be like for a Trill who'd never wanted to be joined suddenly being joined" was set aside.
Not to mention that, I think it's all but explicit that the Dax symbiont is like a rock star amongst symbiotes; its the one every Initiate probably hopes they'd get, the way probably most Starfleet cadets have their fingers crossed for a posting to the Enterprise. I mean, if you were in Ezri's shoes, would YOU want to be the one who let arguably the most famous Trill *ever* die?
@@arklestudios they kinda did because Ezri Dax was constantly being overcome by Jadzia Dax's personality Ezri Tigan never would've been attracted to a man like Worf, but Ezri Dax slept with him.
they also can be joined with a human as in the case of Commander Riker.
@@ejungleska True, but the bond was a temporary stopgap measure and that Symbiote wasn't as severely wounded as Dax.
I think it would’ve been cool if they Dax had to join with Benjamin Cisco
A warlord Trill would be an interesting antagonist for the Federation.
a trill that had been previously joined to a Klingon, Vulcan, Andorian/Aenar and Betazoid hosts over a number of centuries would be a very formidable and cunning antagonist to be sure... while this would most likely be a case of mad experimentation with possibly unstable emotional results held in check by the Vulcan sense of order and logic (if not diminished too much by the other personalities) the strengths and abilities would be unusually pronounced when used in concert... imagine the possibility of Khan being a Trill Host or a Trill Augment hybrid... scary
Or a Trill who's been with Section 31 through various hosts.
Wonder what the Trill are like in the mirror universe?
Jonathan Garrad in the mirror universe they aren’t called Trill they are called Goa'uld
how about a symbiot who successfully attaches to a Klingon?
I wish you had mentioned that in an extreme emergency a symbiot can be joined to a non trill, like that time Riker took on a symbiont from a ambassador who had been injured and dating the doctor or something, but as they said in the episode the joining to a non trill can not be maintained for long and is mostly just a stop gap measure to keep the symbiont alive
That arc was done before the species was redesigned, I'm not sure how much faith we can put in it.
I just assume the TNG Trills are a different species from the DS9 Trills just happen to have symbionts and and the name Trills. LOL. Gotty find a way to fit all the F ups they do to continuity and the time line.
Yea, I think he is using sources from DS9 and media after that show was launched, rather than TNG. Sort of like how the Ferengi went through a change from being these limited, simian-like creatures at the begin of TNG to the modern sophisticated ( yet still greedy) humanoids in the later half of TNG and DS9.
I find it weird when Star Trek makes obvious and avoidable inconsistencies, but the TNG Trill is definitely an interesting point to bring up and tbh it's quite lame that this guy left it out of the video -either that or this is more of a copy-and-paste job and the narrator is actually unaware.
We do all know this is actually a video about a make-believe species, you know? Would have been the most interesting aspect of the video without taking anything away from it.
That's with the forehead ridges Trill, not the spotted version. The species was redesigned in DS9, and contradicts the portrayal of the original on screen version.
They explained the ridges in one of the novels quite simply. There was a Trill colony that got hit by a mutated strain of the Klingon Augment virus thanks to a careless joined tourist.
That doesn't seem likely as a good explanation after all the Klingons had the Ridges before the augment plague and as a result lost them so how would Trail receive ridges as a result from getting the augment plague?
@@donaldnevgonhapniv3084 I think it's the other way around dude. The trill used to have ridges but the virus took them away.
Aw, and here I thought we were FINALLY going to get a serious discussion of public transport systems in scifi races. :) Ooh, I know - do Pierson's Puppeteers. You could cover the stepping disk network while you're at it.
That's an excellent recommendation. There is quite a bit of info written on the Puppeteers.
Larry Niven did a lot of cool aliens that weren’t simply human with fancy head gear.
In fact I’m pretty sure the only time he had more than one species with similar physiology they were typically distant relatives.
Pierson'Puppeteers I would love to see something about them as well as Pak.
Hey guys I found this cave slug. I think I’ll shove it in my abdomen
don't shove it up your bum - no matter what wish it promised it'll grant you, it's still a worm parasite!
Space slug is running a scam
I’d love to see a Trill meet with a Goa’uld!
“You see this, initiates? This is Exactly why we have such strict standards!”
I believe the downfall of the Goa’uld was the use or sarcophagus technology. Using it to avoid or even return from death eroded the “humanity” of both host and parasite. It’s why the Tok’ra split off and refused to use sarcophagus technology.
*Ra* But when you have centuries, nay, eons, to learn tactics, strategy, and real politik, why would you not use it?
@@Deridus because it makes you go insane.
I think Trill would be more like Tok'ra
@@Deridus B/C it messes with your head.
I had the hardest crush on Ezri Dax.. so damn adorable.
I still do. Even now, she's still super cute.
We all did.
I preferred Jadzia, way hotter, and better character. I found Ezri completely forgettable.
Yeah same, she's probably why I like girls with short hair XD
Crush for adorable, yes. But as the character in DS9, not so much. It took a while before she got the episodes where she got the change to be a own character, instead of not-Jadzia.
Something I've always wondered - does a Symbiot have a personality of its own, or is it simply a 'blank canvas' on which the personalities of its successive hosts are painted? i.e. Does the personality of a Symbiot's first host change (and change differently from other joined Trill)?
good question... maybe, before joining, the "shrimp" is just a dumb animal
That would be an interesting story...the life of an unjoined Trill symbiot leading up to their joining to their first host, and then how their life changes now that they have eyes and ears and such.
My favorite Trill is the rapper known as "Trill Bill" he's been known and verified to have kept it 100% Trill since his first host six cycles ago. His latest mix holo-tape "Cold Blooded Trilla" went Gold Pressed Latinum for 12 weeks straight. Easily beating his old record from his last holo-tape "To Pimp a Symbiote". They say his last single has been so popular that it's made it into the Delta Quadrant.
we are the borg, lower your shields and surrender your ships, we will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own, your culture will adapt to service us... resistance is futile
Holy cow... I just realized SG1 is set in a dark mirror universe!
Very Similar to the Tok'ra, though with Tok'ra you have two minds but the host can access past experience of the symbiote. The Tok'ra could take control of host body if wanted but its frowned upon by the Tok'ra. When i first saw the Trill i thought of stargate when i saw dax the first time.
That one Trill from TNG actually had an alien grandfather who strongly influenced his appearance. Because of the emergency situation they had to transfer the symbiot to his cousin who was likewise of alien descent.
Where do you get this? What is your Source material?
@@donaldnevgonhapniv3084 Well, either way, that could absolutely make sense as to why the two TNG Trill we see have different facial features. 🤔 It's my head-canon now until something else replaces it, lol.
Re-association happened with Ezri. Clearly, for practical reasons regarding Dax's experiences in the Dominion War.
I always assumed that there was some sort of special dispensation granted by the Symbiosis Commission, due to the irregular nature of Ezri's joining, where she had no time to prepare.
Yeah I think they realized holding Ezri to the same standards as the people who wanted this when she was forced into it.
+The Bronze Age of DC Comics
Maybe, but they also allowed Jadzia to get herself stationed with Ben, even though 90% of the reasoning was that Dax had, and would re-engage with Ben.
Tuning3434 they were just friends, nothing more
@@edsr164 you can't tell me that Chad Sisko and Main Girl Dax didn't at least drunkenly mess around with each other at least once
I still remember watching the episode of TNG with Odan after watching most of DS9, and being surprised by the fact that Dr. Crusher was unaware of symbiotes, among the Trill, as if they were only rarely off-world, and never got into accidents. It was like Star Wars, and no one knows what a Tusken or Jawa look like, even though both are killed regularly, and no one rips stuff off, and takes a look?
I like the Trill, as a Star Trek species. I'd want to play one in an RPG, and they don't even have bizarre superpowers, like telepathy, or mega-strength; just significant skill boosts.
Fun fact, in the future the symbiots eventually evolve in to the illithid.
*shivers*
650 million Trill. You would think a well to do Federation member would have a higher population than that. Earths population was about 650 million in the 1730's
Which Dax is your favorite? Ezri was cuter, but Jadzia was hotter, imo.
Absolutely right!!
Both Daxes were pretty darn cute.
Nailed it... Like I wish I could nail them.
Cuteness and Hotness are, of course, the Only criterion to assessing others.
One thing I've always wondered is if a Symbiote has it's own personality before the joining. We always hear about the personality traits of pasts hosts, but none of the Symbiote itself.
I think it was stated at some point in DS9 that the dax symbiote tended to be a bit headstrong, as far as how it influenced it's hosts. Also it was shown that the symbiote's have distinct brainwave patterns of their own. So it seems like they would have a personality of their own that could perhaps act as a low level filter through which the Host's own thoughts are affected. But since the symbiotes never actively take a position of dominance in their relationship, it's hard to tell.
Michael I have to disagree with you the very first tool we ever saw in Star Trek the Next Generation episode The Host the symbiant was dominant.
The trill are like the nice version of the Goa'uld from Star Gate.
Well more like the To'Kra.
still parasites, still don't shove them up your bum
Can you do a review of the Orion Syndicate
He already did
When I was growing up I caught a fair amount of DS9 (not really in order, just stray episodes) and I always loved when I caught an episode with Ezri because I found her really cute and sweet but her struggles with previous lives’ memories was really interesting to me.
To be honest She’s probably the reason I have a thing for girls with short hair now as an adult.
loved the video, and i also love the Ood
The Ood, absolutely.
Still waiting for Zerg. Zerg is the word
"bird, bird, bird, bird is the word" probably one of the strangest songs and music videos ever
bababa boo mau mau mau, baba boo mau mau mau
Writing prompt for a symbiont needing an emergency joining and joining with a timelord who regenerated to become compatible. Two set of lives.
Great video, would love to see you cover Betazoids next!
There's a brand of budgie food/seed called Trill, and every time I hear the word mentioned in relation to the Trek species, I can't help but be reminded of the bird seed. XD
I REMEMBER THAT! First food I got for the budgie I found outside and adopted (to me it sounds like krill - "small crustaceans of the order Euphausiacea" - a shrimp... I call the Trill parasite "shrimp", too)
I like the trills. They put perspective on consciousness. They can transfer one host's memories into another host by implanting symbiots but they can't transfer consciousness. Each host is different. They only inherit the memories.
Good thou you did miss to mention that seperating a symbiot from it's host is fatal for the former host. Also that the symbiot can choose to take a backseat and allow the host to be dominant. Dax do this when inplanted to become Ezri Dax due to Ezri only accepting to become a temporary host but transfer delayed to long so their bond became permanent.
Ezri is lethally cute... i e., to die for. lol
Good video! If you're willing can you please do the Ood.
Is there a cultural index for humans? I've seen videos talking about the UFP and of alternate universe humans.... but I'd really like to see one that focuses on this universe's humans.
So as it turns out the planet Trill’s scrutiny of the Federation was kind of hypocritical since they were keeping their own dirty little secret.
but there is a problem with the law of DS9. in the movie undiscovered country crewman DAX is on board the USS Enterprise during the camp Khitomer accords. in that time he had arms and legs not a parasite. and also for him to claim negotiation peace treaty not Canon something what DS9 got wrong
So when Riker (odan) and dr crusher got it on ... Was Riker conscious of it all watching behind his eyes? Cringing most likely, or amused of course. But would he retain the memories?
When the Trill first appeared on ST:TNG it caused a firestorm on what passed for the Internet in those days. Viewers complained that the replacement host seemed slow, making it seem that they were being used more as slaves than as a full partner. You can see the result of that anger on ST:DS9 with extensive story lines of potential hosts being intelligent beings who were trained and tested in a competitive process.
"What passed for the Internet." You mean the Internet?
@@KatriceMetaluna Well there was no Facebook & I think even Web pages were in their infancy. I don't remember exactly but I think it was Usenet newsgroups.
@@marccolten9801 : Usenet seems likely. The internet had been around for a while, but the "world wide web" part of it didn't have client-side scripting (javascript was added in 94 as I recall), and all server-side scripting was in the form of Perl, or CGI programs (technically Perl was a CGI program too, but it was one that let you do scripting, so still somewhat different). If it wasn't Usenet, then it's more likely that it was a chat client than a web page.
That having been said, do bear in mind that Usenet (and Gopher, and BBSes, and several other things that escape me at the moment) are actually not part of the internet, and weren't at the time either. You can often get access to the through the internet now, but they are actually 100% separate networks, so you have to use protocol gateways to do so..
@@marccolten9801 It upsets me deeply that you consider Facebook to be "the internet"
@@PressA2Die Did I mention Facebook?
Ood, is love. Ood is life.
9:00 I think it can not be stressed enough that this is to protect the individuellaty of the host.
Caan you do Bajoran, if you haven't already?
Good news, he just released one a few days ago.
Votes Below!
I want an Elcor Plushie!
I want an Ood Doll!
After the Odd Ood please do a video on the Zentradi from SDF Macross please.
Ood please.
I like Mass Effect, but I love Doctor Who. My vote obviously goes to the Ood, but I don't mind if the Elcor get chosen instead.
It would have been an excellent premise for an episode if they called the existence of the Anulated in to question. It could have caused Dax to have an existential crisis about her own mortality and could have lent more weight to the host's passing.
I was hoping you might mention the other types of trill seen in tng as well, still great video though
I had a hugh crush on Nicole de boer who played ezri dax on ds9
Rick, would you kindly do a series on individuals like Curzon?
Everything we know is via others with no direct stories.
Yet Curzon greatly affected Klingon culture & Starfleet.
Thank you.
T'Pau would be another.
You know its weird how many Star Trek species are either named after their planet or vice versa
You mean like Earthmen?
@@marccolten9801 yes like that, though calling humans Terrans, and calling Earth Terra is a better example, (like in the Mirror Universe)
Well, a lot of sci-fi call humans "earthlings", so...
I'd love to see a Trill/Symbiont captain at some point.
In Star Trek Online, a later version of Dax becomes the captain of the Enterprise-J by the 26th century.
It seems to me that Trill society has two major classes: people who have symbionts and people who don't. The former, hosts, are rare and get to benefit from lifetimes of memories, making them societal elites. The latter, meanwhile, are common people who don't get any special powers. And there's a Commission that decides who is who. This sounds like a deeply unfair setup.
I mean, imagine being a normal Trill. There's a treatment out there that can give people incredible knowledge and experience AND make their minds functionally immortal. Only a select few are allowed to have the treatment and, once they get it, they naturally enter into the upper echelons of society. Every normal Trill has to compete with that. Want to be a senator? A pioneering scientist? A transcendent artist? Good luck without a symbiont. Many hosts have done all that and more in their past lives - they're a shoe-in for any job they want.
That sounds like an oppressive social order to me. I wonder how many Trill want a revolution. Maybe one day every Trill can get a symbiont of their own. Or, if that's impossible, maybe technology can replace the symbionts with a fairer system.
You're completely forgetting the fact that Symbiotes are sapient creatures too, and that for a lot of Trill, joining could actually be dangerous if they weren't vetted beforehand. An incapable Trill could have the joining destroy their own consciousness or even kill them, so the vetting is clearly an act that protects the Trill as well. And to suggest Trill society should violate the consent of a sapient creature, forcing it to join with any Trill all because it's more "fair" is super fucking gross; the idea that it's "oppression" that they do this is even more so. Also, in DS9 it's mentioned that only about a 1000 people volunteer for it, so it's quite clearly not something the vast majority of Trill even want.
@@cramer4506 "consent" lol, aren't they like: "hey, so, uhm, you're compatible, here's your worm, have fun, good luck!" (no "vetting" - well, sure, that's not the norm, but when they face the decision to save the shrimp, or the host, they'll save he shrimp... I'd want them both get saved, or neither of them... It just seems the worm is more important/valuable... maybe it is, it has multiple people stored in it... I don't know...)... I'm with Ethan, their society sucks (only positive is they're not overpopulated like humans)
@@ArinJager1 They save the Symbiote first because a bonded Trill dies when the Symbiote is removed.
And Ezri almost certainly wouldn't have had to take the Symbiote if she didn't want to, it's been shown a Symbiote can be temporarily put into other species without bonding, as the Symbiote Odan was with Riker in TNG.
I do wish you could visit the surface of Trillar Prime and other world's in Star Trek Online but I'm guessing such cells would be resource intensive and therefore difficult to manage oh well at least we can see them in space.
vote OOD
Hmm, no mention of the inconsistencies between the original TNG Trill as seen in "The Host" and the later DS9 Trill. In "The Host," the symbiont completely over-writes what little personality is present in the host, which is treated a mere disposable body. The host humanoids also feature forehead ridges and no spots, and there's no taboo (at least as far as Odan is concerned) in pursuing romantic relations with a past host's lover (ie Dr. Crusher). Literally all of these things were changed for DS9, which is fine, but we should at least acknowledge it and try to offer in-universe explanations.
Also, as seen in "The Host," a non-Trill humanoid can temporarily serve as a host body for a short period of time before rejection sets in.
I saw a couple of other replies that have at least a similar mindset to yours and I thought those were very good questions so I asked them to send me their Source material, because interesting questions are raised here if the trill host is sentient but if not sentient then would that not be considered a class Society forbidden by the Federation to be a member? Insofar as other species being able to host a trail I would assume they would have to be physically similar to the trill the more alike the list possibility of rejection
the trill are my fave race in star trek universe and in star trek online im one a fleetadmiral like the spots so much and her name ..... jadzia dax of course as jadzia said 1 of 10 trill are joined not 1 of 1000
Would love an episode about the oddball God like entities in TNG and other series!
Why are the trill on DS9 so different from the trill on sttng ?.
On stng they had a cranial crest no spots. Then from DS9 on they had spots , no cranial bone structure.
I vote Elcor
@certifiably Ingame What class of ship from Star Trek Online is depicted in your video? Just curious!
Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood! That would be good.
Must be shit being the first host of a new symbiont. Absolutely no benefit at all.
Not really.....they will have past lives still from the pool off older trill creatures :)
@@maltgeezer7439 Doesn't seem to be any canon evidence of this happening. Memory alpha does say that they communicate with electrical impulses but no mention of past life memory transfers in the pool.
I wonder if there's a deep sense of social classism and discrimination towards Trill that never become joined or don't wish to join?
They vast majority don't join, and most probably don't even apply, what with the "only 1-in-1000 are compatible" line. With that, only a few hundred are joined a year, so if anything, it's like the most prestigious university on the planet, a coveted achievement that very few have the opportunity to obtain.
The unjoined wouldn't be the contemptible underclass, because they're the common norm; instead, the rare joined are the exhaulted elites. The only attitude shown in the show is resentment towards the chosen, not disdain for the common.
Alternatively, think of billionaires. They pretty much all are heavily involved in charity and philanthropic efforts, and I can't think of many non-billionaires that wouldn't jump at the chance to be given a billion dollars; and yet, many resent them for various reasons. Much of this I think is from the behaviour of the ungrateful brat children that make the gossip rags, but this isn't something that would apply to the Trill, as you can't be born with a symbiote.
ok, but maybe they taste good? maybe they're a delicacy! (I sound like a Qu, lol) Trill shrimp, lol
Everyone talks about the change in Trill appearance between their first appearance in TNG and DS9, yet nobody seems to comment on the sudden appearance of an ancient requirement to break off romantic relationships with previous hosts. It's almost as if that was just a plot point that the writers either used or ignored depending on what allowed them to make the social commentary they wanted.
Like a story? Make believe?
What game is that? Star Trek Online?
11:12 - Thanks for implicitly reminding us that the Trill and symbiotes were retconned with the premiere of DS9.
trill has so few people on their home planet that if earth was expanding through military force, they would not stand a change. even now we are closing to 8 billion, that is over 7 billion more than there is trill.
MY OWN THOUGHTS OF IDEAS ABOUT THE ALIEN BEINGS KNOWN AS THE (TRILL)
Now I think that the (Trill) should be added into the next set of (STAR TREK) movies someday.
So what's up with the 2 Trill species? Odan from TNG and Jadzia and all subsequent Trill on DS9.
The producers (and i'm not making this up) felt that the prosthetics used in TNG would be a misuse of Terry Farrell's good looks, so simply drew some spots on her. After this since a main case member was a trill that became the "default trill". I think the in universe explanation is simply different ethnicities of trill.
The novels mention a Trill colony that got hit by a mutated strain of the Klingon augment virus.
@@ummdustry5718 I remember having read that she was alergic to the adhesive they used to they got rid of the prostetics and went with the spots. However, I have also read that there are in fact two distinct humanoid races on the trill home world but that the spotted version are far more capable of joining and thus are usually chosen.
simple. trek writers had a hard time caring about continuity...
I Noticed how Different the Trill were in regards to Odan In TNG and Dax in DS9.. With Odan the trill had Head ridges, both male and female.. And when DS9 came to be All trill had Spots... And seemed the "No reconnecting to previous lovers wasn't a rule in TNG also..
star treks version of the gua'uld.
Thoth dawhite I agree with that. However in Star Trek, the symbiotic trill were only in humanoid trill. In stargate it is implied that gou’uld can infect any species, like the unas. The gou’uld seem to be more like parasites instead of symbioties like the trill.
How did the Trill go from total secrecy about it to casually mentioning it in every conversation?
At a guess, the writers changed their minds. You kinda have to just shrug and get past some things. Blame it on 'Q'.
@@daveryder9617 that or once the secret got out there would be little point in hiding it.
This isn't the same thing but the trill talking back and forth with previous hosts reminded me of an article i read a couple months ago where scientists were talking about using modern ai for something useful in trying to decypher whale song and attempting to talk with them. Initially i was stoked, its the kind of thing i thought wed be doing by now, but then i remembered the fact that we did almost completely wipe them out to make oil for lamps (petroleum saved the whales). So it occurs that if they do communicate in a way wed recognize with stories of what happened to them in the past going down generation to generation something like an oral tradition, we might not want to talk to them. Or we might here about a probe that should be making its way back to earth in a few years and when it hears what we did, it starts carpet bombing our cities and such with accelerated asteroids. Or maybe i was just binge watching the expanse followed by star trek 4 who onows but im stuck inside with a busted ankle and just this side of losing my shit lol
So why does Odan and the second host look different and was the symbiote a Trill secret until Odan showed up?
Hey @Certifiably Ingame
I´m *Trilled* you finally covered them.
There's one issue never addressed. Since Thrill and Sybiote are joined together nervous system. Would using Starfleet transport be problematic since breakdown both to molecular level scrabble molecules?
Interesting video and my vote ❎ goes to the Ood I was a Doctor Who fan before any other sci-fi and I've never ever encountered Mass Effect sorry 🙏🏻to the people who have
LONG TIME , DEVOTED TREKIES , first learned of the Trill , on Next Gen. and you skipped Odan completely 👎👎👎
Many are called but few are chosen (Matthew 22:14) -- Timemark 9:59 "Not all Trill are lined, in fact the majority are not,..."
Does Betazed have rings like M class Saturn type planet I Voyagers intro I think voyager orbiiting Betazed and Star Trek Imzadi I think konathan Franks says something planet sky has rings i think Holly rings of Betazed offers too Star trek Worlds of Fedration words says something like thar. Culture index K9 Astrommech droid i wish k9 was in torchwood team.
Your numbers are not very logical ... 11 million Sybionds and a joind livespan of 80 years means over 100thausend new joins per year. If there are only 500 new joins per year, less than 0.5 % of the Sybiondpopulation is Joind with Humans. Why you dont speake about this Propotion?
OK. So the Trill are essentially the Goa'uld and/or Tok'Ra from Stargate.
And yes, I know that the two series (DS9 and SG1) were running at around the same time.
Better at 1.25 speed but still not comprehensible.
What is it about this man’s British like accent that’s tough to understand like he slurs his words and expects us to understand your joke when you barely said it
See @ 0:36 - what joke.. you said “I’m joking” but what’s the joke you didn’t even say except their efficient choice/ mode of transportation.. which is not funny.. then it sounded cutoff and slurred out.
I would like to see a video on about the huts cultrual index and the mon calamari (star wars)
When first introduced in 1991, they joined one to a human body. Later in DS9, they added criteria of joining.
So basically Good Guy Gua'uld ? (edit: Oh wow everyone else thought this too nice, my symbiote must be in sync)
Eh, so we're the Tok'Ra.
Whenever DS9 or discovery has an actor going blah blah blah about trills...tv's turn off.sorry nobody watching no show about trills.lol
Okay, was the idea of joining a symbiot to a changling ever considered? THAT would be an 'experience'.
How did the Trill symbiont affect the host digestive tract? Do the intestines just get pushed to the side? You'd think that would create some.. unpleasantness when it comes to completing the digestion process.
As Starfleet ships have bathrooms, we know faecal waste is not eliminated via the transporters.
The trill are goauld. Change my mind.
Different spelling. Boom.
remember when humans almost got their own symbiote like creatures but the federation flagship was full of bigots who hates the little guys
Does anyone else like the TNG Trill depiction over the DS9 depictions?
Idk, I think the markings are just less interesting.
This kind of sounds like the Avatar, the reincarnation, the past lives experiences, meeting with their past selves etc.
Ood
Why is their population so small?
Anyone else want a cannon series made from the Klingon side or Romulan side, the Ferengi side?
Humm... I'm not sure I want to be on a side with the Klingons have a cannon... Joking. But on the romulans side I could be interested in watching a series just for fun and because I'm a little bit obsessive I'm writing a Star Trek story which prominently features the romulans it's just for my own shitz and giggles there are so many inconsistencies in Star Trek I started the project just to try to string them together.
I'd really like to like the Trill, but... Large slug creature, ugh...too much like yeerks, no thx
No hate on Erzi here but seeing her represent the Trill in the imagery in this video is weird, she was super inexperienced compared to Jadzia who IMO better represent the Trill.
in some sense this almost like a sci-fi version of Reincarnation. and yes some times in the show previous hosts are referred to as past lives. yet also this is kinda not actually re incarnation.
it kind of seems to me like the slug is recording all of a person's memories and experiences and then the next host can be pugged in to a database of the memories of previous hosts even as their own experiences are being recorded. in the show it often dose not seem like Dax has a personality of its own. but that Judzia is able to recall memories and use knowledge from the other host trill and Dax is acting as a living storage container for that knowledge.
I might be wrong. or right. but that is how it seems to me. what do you think?
The exile idea always seemed stupid to me. Even an exiled symbiont would have no trouble finding a willing new host, wouldn't he?