As someone who got to diamond shield only and shield exclusive main i agree with everything in the video, i've been trying to give feedback about the shield since season 1 with no results, however recently I made a thread in the finals servers with all the issues the riot shield has and Oscar and Dusty both saw it and sent it to the balancing team, today they told me that that the thread is under their radar, we can only hope the changes come sooner than later Jinko i will tag you
I do know you from Discord (and UA-cam)! I'm glad you made this thread. I could have too but I figured a video would not only reach the devs but also many players, so I did it!
@@Jinko_ I thought about making a video but i don't have many subs, so i'm glad you did! I'm so happy we're all fighting for the shield! The combo video + thread will definitely help! But as both Oscar and Dusty said the balancing team is now aware, let's hope it's soon! We're already strong with a bad shield, once it's optimized and buffed we'll be unstoppable ahah
@@_Shield_Master_ dont worry as emark games is very attentioned to his comunoty I hope on the next season at least they will make some change for this weapon at least.👍
You’ve been playing against shitters if you made it to D1 bro what. a simple pryo nade is the death of all riot sheilds if no one can hit those they are ass
I just didn't go into details when it comes to melee weapons, but I did say the Riot Shield "basically can't block melee attacks". I might make a video of the shield VS every melee weapon
one tip i have for my fellow shielders out there, hit them with left mouse and then quick melee right after. "oh i will deal damage more quickly?" no, in fact you are losing dps doing that, but by doing that you will do 80 damage from the hit plus 40 from q.m for a total of 120, the point is, if you hit a medium once you will do 32% damage to his health, but if you hit the melee right after it becomes 48%, the point being, most people think they can tank losing 32% of health specially with the long delay between hits, but losing almost half of your health bar immediately and seeing 2 very quick hitmarker on the screen will make most people panic, and you can take advantage of that. also many times i have had this bug both with the shield and the dagger, where the animation queue bugs when you are trying to make a lot of actions in a short time while moving the animation freezes but the attack continues, so i hit things in front of me while the weapon doesnt move in my hand, this killed me many many times specially with the dagger, since you cant know when the backstab will end if the weapon doesnt do the animation
When making my Riot shield guide I will touch on that. Quick melee combo has a lower dps but more burst, so if the enemy is taking damage it's worth doing because it might be the thing that make them die sooner than with just the swings
Hello, I think I am the only player in Spain who plays with this weapon and many times my teammates insult me or leave the game when they see my weapon. I very much agree with what you say in this video.
лол , они странные так как щит это командное оружие и с ним можно круто поиграть , если команда понимает что вы пуленепробиваемая стена и все враги в первую очередь пытаются вынести вас
And it's weird, cause facing a riot shield is (to me at least) on par with facing a sword light.. it's super annoying - which should show people that it actually a great weapon.
As someone who also mained the Shield in season 1 and Closed Beta, only to realize it's defacto useless at this point due to all the bugs, watching this video re-opened so many wounds..
As a Katana enthusiast - in game -the medium just has no melee potential. Medium needs a special ability to increase movement speed or we need the same insane tech the heavy gets with sledge where you seem to be magnetized to enemies when you swing and I'm not talking about the auto aim feature in the menu, the reach of the sledge is crazy, it hits people that are nowhere near it. OR we need a stun gun, the fact light sword gets faster movement, dash, a built in lunge with the sword and a stun is insane compared to medium who get... a zip line or an awkwardly placed jump pad on a wall or.. well there isn't anything, 100extra hp
You as a medium can put out 100 damage with every weapon BEFORE the light can out out 150 with every weapon in the game. Light is statically the worst class in the game that’s why they get all the cool shit. Their guns are not high enough DPS to win in a straight up gun fight. I mean they are super high DPS but they only have 100 health. And you can put out 100 damage with every gun in the game in less than a second
@ShootFirstNS id like to see it get a bit of a lunge when attacking ive also thought maybe make the deflect have stamina but no longer take chop damage idk I agree the swords feel weak
Im a former cod player, and I had serious beef with riot shield mains, but now I play the finals and I don't really have a problem about that play-style. I hope that the bugs get fixed so you have more fun.
@@h34t399 in cod I really hate snipers. I think the worst was in Cold War when pretty much every lobby just devolved into a quick scoping match. It’s far too easy to snipe in most cods and I’ve always said it’s bad to have too many 1-shot weapons that have a low skill floor in a game like cod because it halts the flow and pacing of a match too hard. It can be too jarring. The finals though, the sniper takes a lot of skill. I already think it takes a lot of skill to play the light class “effectively” but sniping is a whole other thing. It’s very well balanced so that skillful players can still have fun, while lower skill players can’t just pick it up and 1-shot everybody. So honestly I really don’t mind if people snipe in the finals.
I am a riot shield enjoyer, I unlocked the blue skin on it. I already met players who had the final skin on it, and who enjoyed it even more. I think it is really powerful in the last showdown, because you can surprise the enemy team with it.
Although I use the riot shield rarely, it sucks to see that the developers of a game straight up don't use particular weapons or items and therefore don't know if they're bugged and don't know how to buff or nerf them. I felt this alot when I used to main crypto and rampart in the earlier seasons of Apex Legends where the devs just had no clue what the hell they were doing at any point and were always super late to bring any sort of fix or do QoL additions or buffs and even nerfs to them because they just did not know how the character worked beyond their baseline ability descriptions. Game design is hard when there's so much variety and it's very intricate to both configure low and high level play at once but it is completely unacceptable to neglect weapons just cause they're lesser used, a game developer should be the expert of their craft and know every detail, not be yet another average player who only cares about the fcar and xp5...
I get you, as a Caustic main the devs clearly don't know how to deal with him anymore. TF is going to have this problem forever and make it worse every time they release something new, and this is why we should never expect the whole game to be balanced constantly. But somehow that's how a lot of people expect it to be... despite playing the most boring, effective, reused weapons ever.
God, I made a post on Reddit a while back with a lot of those gripes. I’m happy you are bringing some attention to them. The Pyro bug, the Claw going through and making the animation jank and melee hits going through are especially what I want fixed. The rest is manageable and Qol, but those 3 feel especially bad and ruin a lot of the weapons fun.
For the riot shield, i rock gas and explosive mines with the sentry, basically full on defense. I love the riot shield, but the blocking is so bad. i wish you could see yourself in the third person in custom games.
Would also be cool if they release another riot shield but with a pistol, burst pistol or machine pistol that force you to ADS for better accuracy but at a cost of lesser protection like in Rainbow six siege :x (once they fix the ridiculous bug and issue first) also i do agree that the right click should change to third person, if Heavy Mesh shield spec can do it, i dont see why riot shield not having that feature.
@@Jinko_ Also i was about the mention, maybe give the baton a 0.3s stun when hit, then i remember the horrible flashback of day 1 brigitte overwatch using her whip mace for dmg n heal and shield bash for extra boost n stun, i was a Orisa main, i still remember how helpless i am, cant outrun her and cant dmg her, i can still hear the sound of my Fusion Driver firing, tracing her movement while her mace depleting my health bit by bit. edit: i tried to use Fortify to run away, then i heard her behind me "Rally to me!" "Alla till mig!" and back to the usual respawn point.
Instant Sub! Hi Jinko, I really appreciate the time and energy put into this video. You articulated yourself very well and spoke from your heart with honesty and respect. Real recognizes Real. Hopefully we can manifest some positive change for the game. I love playing the Riot Shield also and would be so excited to see changes like these on the patch notes. Keep up the good work brother, looking forward to more from you.
An afterthought also, I've noticed a bug in this game where certain cosmetics that glow or produce light can be spotted EASILY through smoke, effectively making the smoke useless. I am curious if the one Riot Shield skin withe the 2 lights on it has the same issue? Another thing to consider testing :)
TKing is already a problem I was playing light with the sniper cause the new skin and I got TKed 5 times before leaving they need to add a punishment for TKing
Superb deconstruction of the Riot Shield, I main dagger but I love to take shield as a secondary option. I love taking goo grenades with the recent buff to prevent enemies from running away, it's really consistent, glitch traps are also awesome at preventing dash lights from effortlessly escaping you, but I suppose the actual melee attack could use a buff, the range and registration feels too strict compared to other melee weapons out there. I think raising the shield needs a total rework honestly, the fact it makes you easier to hit compared to sprinting to the right of an enemy makes it borderline useless, only within point blank to close range will you ever get any value from doing so, not to mention, raising the shield makes you move very slow, reduces your fov, and reduces your turn speed, I think this is so overboard and should be completely redesigned.
I can tell you before I even watch the rest of this that I have never used it outside of onetime (maybe) in the practice range, not only because I like mediums other weapons more even just in concept (dual blades, why block when I could take a little damage and deflect the damage right back? defense and offense in one) but I get stomped pretty hard even on conventional weapons like the akm and fcar, let alone a melee weapon that requires me to only fight 1v1s (mostly) and yeah the trailers are masterpieces, I've never, NEVER, watched a single trailer so many times before, I had to have watched it atleast 30+ times, as you said the music, the visuals, the sound design, I particularly like the one where they synced the game actions to the music with that thumpy bassy type song for the whole thing, I'd bop along to it every time without fail also also hey gallantry! love his videos
a few things,1 the winch claw is a grab, so technically it grabs the shield with you on it. 2 lights, lights that are more mid to long range simply run away from you. for defense its not a problem but 3 medium and other melees (dual swords suffer the same problem) lights have mobility and heavies have the health to reach melee range, medium has a bit of both but two halves of a bike doesn't make one whole bike
@@Jinko_ I think what sjoerdderks4731 is saying is that even though visually and in code the winch claw grabs players through the shield, it can be inferred that it could instead grab the shield to pull you closer. Though after 100 hours of winch claw it just shouldn't be able to grab the riot shield.
Every other melee has gotten some unique and interesting skins even with complimentary special animations, I had hoped S3 we would get a Japanese shield and Sword skin for Riot Shield unfortunately nope
As a shield guy I came back here and see how many things actually changed. No more fire grenade bug, no more winch claw crapping on shield in bs ways. No more stuck projectiles in your field of vision "stuck" to your shield. Extra 6 damage per baton swing. Not sure about the floating shield bug, I didn't get it for a long time, but am not sure. Charge and slam is still very rough to deal with, but I find the little circle dodge dances fun. The rest remains unchanged i think. Overall very nice.
Great video. I have a similar progression with shooters as a fighting game enjoyer. If a shooter has a melee option I tend to gravitate towards it. I agree that Riot Shield and Dual Blades shouldn't be "meta" but they should definitely be consistent but also reward and promote movement. I feel that the Finals is just as much of a platformer as it is a shooter. You can feel the Mirrors Edge dna is in there and Battlefield has always had a pretty neat approach to movement anyways There really feels like way too much stuff hard counters medium melee. Nothing makes me quite as sick as players that switch to stun gun cause they got killed by riot shield and dual blades.
The most unfortunate thing that happened to the Riot Shield is that its damage got stealth nerfed from 86 (up until a little bit after S2 launched) to 85 and one update later to 84. This means now you can't Swing + Quick Melee a defibbed Medium and a regenerated TA Medium. Edit: hold on i'm questioning my sanity i swear it used to do 86 damage
I've been giving feedback on the discord for months and the devs don't listen. I love this game, but like you I was drawn to the shield and can't convince myself to play anything else, but the riot shield experience is MISERABLE
I love playing riot shield too! I feel like we may have bumped into each other while playing… if you were the person I explained to about how when you sidestep you expose more of your legs, and a little of your leg when walking forward. And only feet exposed when standing still.
You and me both with the stickers and skins. They gave us card board and a police shield. And the purple from the BP. Skins i want skins. I agree with all of your points. The best quality of life for shield was the fix for getting stuck on crouch when trying to slide. Sword dash goes through the shield up like winch. This is a great video you did greathighlighting the issues we need fixed. Our riot shield journey is the same but i came from paladins. Keep it up man!
A lot of these reasons are why I much prefer the dual blades. The riot shield should be able to block everything that they can (charge n slam, melee weapons, and more tbh)
Now the fact that the dual blades are objectively worse but NOONE adresses because I have to be the only dual blades main to have actually played with them for more than 1 match or two. Edit: I feel like I should clarify that I used to also main the riot shield so I know what I'm talking about.
I do think the dual blades are a worse riot shield in multiple aspects, but a better one in others... also, just for like everything else in this game, 50% of the playerbase will tell you the dual blades are OP and need a nerf while the other 50% are begging on their knees for a buff because they are useless...
@@Jinko_ I can assure you that if you played the blades for some time you'd realize that it's actually way less reliable and skill based than the riot shield.
@@SomeoneThatUnknownCat I'm pretty sure the stats and pickrate must speak for themselves tbh. If they get to work on the Riot Shield I'm convinced they will look into the dual blades as well!
im from the future and im a first time shield user. its really good. and rewards your positioning and use of gadgets. i like becoming a suicide bomber by throwing a grenade while someone is chasing me and standing on it. they come and try to meele me or fight me just to blow up
I agree with almost everything here. Riot Shield does not get enough love. The synergy issue is half true I feel like if there was a smoke grenade it would be fine. I shield main with a turret, nades/mines and of course, defib. It's definitely doable. However when there is a heavily saturated lobby I have to evaluate what they are bringing and usually switch to ak or something else.
I think the riot shield needs like a shove like a minature version of the charge n slam but then pair it up with the ability to shield surf, so basically u shove then use the momentum to shield surf and then u got a way to chase down low enemies. Or maybe u can just run and jump and then land on ur shield to surf(yes, i just wanted to find a reason to put in shield surfing)
Riot shield main here: I waited SO LONG for someone to say it! If I tell other players about these bugs they are always like WhY dO yOu WaNt A rIoT sHiElD bUfF? I don‘t want a buff, I just wanna play my favorite weapon without dying to one Pyronade and not being able to do anything
I also love melee weapons. I played shield in metal gear online for mgs4. I also played montante in rainbow 6 siege but they nerfed the mf out of the shield so I quit. I started playing this game for sword, and have been a sword light main since the beginning. I gave the riot shield a try, it is insufferable. I recently picked up dual blades though.
I used to be a riot shield main until they fixed the weapon swap melee cancel... now the dual blades just feels like a straight upgrade :/ dual blades are cool but I wish the riot shield was a bit better - I don't want it to be top tier but it's just more frustrating than fun to play most of the time atm
this is exactly why this game has continued to digress since launch. they don't fix bugs experienced by mass amounts of players and when they do, its 3 months too late.
I would be so ok if riot shield never got any type of movement buff or rework as long as they implement it always staying on your side when interacting with things. Also I love your idea for revives!!
Simply blocking incoming bullets shouldnt give support points, because that's not really supportive Like you cant heal yourself with the heal beam either But if you block incoming bullers and you are between the shooter and a teammate, that should definitely give points and heavy shields should be reworked to behave like that too
Glitching someone with a trap across the map also gives support score despite being technically useless for your team. The game shouldn't decide when it's useless or not because there are infinite possibilities. As for the heal beam argument I disagree, any blocked damage is damage you or your team won't need to heal back, so it's supportive in itself to block damage.
Pyro nades hurt anyone for direct hits. To be honest. I don't think a riot shield should be able to stop a massive force like a sledge. It should be able to block the sword tho for light.
Pyro nades hurt you but then you move out of the fire and barely lost HP. If it hits a Riot shield, they are blind and cannot survive. Kind of a big difference.
Its a shame that a game with a really cool concept such as being able to blow up the anything and everything in the environment would neglect all the actual fun stuff, really it seems like embark has no idea what it's doing when it comes to balancing.
Meeeeec THE FINALS c'est vraiment la masterclass que j'attendais (meme si Titanfall 2 existe). Et le loadout Riot + tourelles au debut du jeux c'était trop bien. (La méta CRS comme je l'appelle)
if all the bugs where fixed the shield would be OP. the bugs should be turned ildnto features. the fire should only take your health down really low and the slam should just work like it does for the blades
Обожаю это оружие. Баг с огненной гранатой печалит. Моя тактика простая, бегу на врага левой стороной так как там щит и пули летят в щит, а я не теряю скорости и продолжаю бежать.
My god. You could do this style of video with so much about the finals, hence why I've quit. Hope they do fix these issues but I'm doubtful. At least aim assist on melee is finally gone. (Good video btw. Keep it up)
More of a cool fact, but riot shield has the most hard counters in the entire game. I can't play for a while now, but I would love to see some actual buffs when I hop back. on
I sort of wonder about that… I would imagine the grenade launchers have quite a bit lol. One of the hard counters involves… being close to the person shooting it 😅. Either way it’s a shame… the game has so many unique weapons but so many of them are almost useless unless you get an entire lobby that happens to not be countering it very well.
And here i was complaining forever about one animation bug on hammer (which is fixed now as far as i can tell). You poor souls
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The pyro grenade CAN also kill you twice too!
It persists even after revive
WHAT? Like if you die from it super fast and get defibed you will still be on fire? lmfaooooooooo
@@Jinko_ yep...
I have a few clips - let me see if I can find them
@@hyperplayability6290 I've seen so many people on reddit say this is a deliberate counter to riot shield. The gaslight is real
@@hyperplayability6290 Its fun to do to defibed heavys especially lol
I had a bug on heavy where i got revived then afterburn sent me frome 50% hp to 0 hp no fire was tuches
As someone who got to diamond shield only and shield exclusive main i agree with everything in the video, i've been trying to give feedback about the shield since season 1 with no results, however recently I made a thread in the finals servers with all the issues the riot shield has and Oscar and Dusty both saw it and sent it to the balancing team, today they told me that that the thread is under their radar, we can only hope the changes come sooner than later
Jinko i will tag you
I do know you from Discord (and UA-cam)! I'm glad you made this thread. I could have too but I figured a video would not only reach the devs but also many players, so I did it!
@@Jinko_ I thought about making a video but i don't have many subs, so i'm glad you did! I'm so happy we're all fighting for the shield! The combo video + thread will definitely help! But as both Oscar and Dusty said the balancing team is now aware, let's hope it's soon! We're already strong with a bad shield, once it's optimized and buffed we'll be unstoppable ahah
@@_Shield_Master_ dont worry as emark games is very attentioned to his comunoty I hope on the next season at least they will make some change for this weapon at least.👍
You’ve been playing against shitters if you made it to D1 bro what. a simple pryo nade is the death of all riot sheilds if no one can hit those they are ass
Don't worry, the devs already showed a lot of attention towards making riot shield less playable every time. They will definitely do something
You forgot to mention that the sword lunge hitbox goes through the shield and damages you
I just didn't go into details when it comes to melee weapons, but I did say the Riot Shield "basically can't block melee attacks". I might make a video of the shield VS every melee weapon
@@Jinko_ It theoretically blocks meelee attacks, but the placement has to be so precise for weapons like the hammer that it straight up isn't known
one tip i have for my fellow shielders out there, hit them with left mouse and then quick melee right after. "oh i will deal damage more quickly?" no, in fact you are losing dps doing that, but by doing that you will do 80 damage from the hit plus 40 from q.m for a total of 120, the point is, if you hit a medium once you will do 32% damage to his health, but if you hit the melee right after it becomes 48%, the point being, most people think they can tank losing 32% of health specially with the long delay between hits, but losing almost half of your health bar immediately and seeing 2 very quick hitmarker on the screen will make most people panic, and you can take advantage of that.
also many times i have had this bug both with the shield and the dagger, where the animation queue bugs when you are trying to make a lot of actions in a short time while moving the animation freezes but the attack continues, so i hit things in front of me while the weapon doesnt move in my hand, this killed me many many times specially with the dagger, since you cant know when the backstab will end if the weapon doesnt do the animation
When making my Riot shield guide I will touch on that. Quick melee combo has a lower dps but more burst, so if the enemy is taking damage it's worth doing because it might be the thing that make them die sooner than with just the swings
Hello, I think I am the only player in Spain who plays with this weapon and many times my teammates insult me or leave the game when they see my weapon. I very much agree with what you say in this video.
лол , они странные так как щит это командное оружие и с ним можно круто поиграть , если команда понимает что вы пуленепробиваемая стена и все враги в первую очередь пытаются вынести вас
And it's weird, cause facing a riot shield is (to me at least) on par with facing a sword light.. it's super annoying - which should show people that it actually a great weapon.
As someone who also mained the Shield in season 1 and Closed Beta,
only to realize it's defacto useless at this point due to all the bugs, watching this video re-opened so many wounds..
As a Katana enthusiast - in game -the medium just has no melee potential. Medium needs a special ability to increase movement speed or we need the same insane tech the heavy gets with sledge where you seem to be magnetized to enemies when you swing and I'm not talking about the auto aim feature in the menu, the reach of the sledge is crazy, it hits people that are nowhere near it. OR we need a stun gun, the fact light sword gets faster movement, dash, a built in lunge with the sword and a stun is insane compared to medium who get... a zip line or an awkwardly placed jump pad on a wall or.. well there isn't anything, 100extra hp
You as a medium can put out 100 damage with every weapon BEFORE the light can out out 150 with every weapon in the game. Light is statically the worst class in the game that’s why they get all the cool shit. Their guns are not high enough DPS to win in a straight up gun fight. I mean they are super high DPS but they only have 100 health. And you can put out 100 damage with every gun in the game in less than a second
@ShootFirstNS id like to see it get a bit of a lunge when attacking ive also thought maybe make the deflect have stamina but no longer take chop damage idk I agree the swords feel weak
yes... the thumbnail is exactly how i feel every time i play riot shield.
Your content is fire my man. Binging your finals videos. Thanks for making all of these.
I appreciate that! Glad you like them so much :)
Im a former cod player, and I had serious beef with riot shield mains, but now I play the finals and I don't really have a problem about that play-style. I hope that the bugs get fixed so you have more fun.
I feel the same way but with snipers lol
@@Zlittlepenguin hmm, explain?
@@h34t399 in cod I really hate snipers. I think the worst was in Cold War when pretty much every lobby just devolved into a quick scoping match. It’s far too easy to snipe in most cods and I’ve always said it’s bad to have too many 1-shot weapons that have a low skill floor in a game like cod because it halts the flow and pacing of a match too hard. It can be too jarring.
The finals though, the sniper takes a lot of skill. I already think it takes a lot of skill to play the light class “effectively” but sniping is a whole other thing. It’s very well balanced so that skillful players can still have fun, while lower skill players can’t just pick it up and 1-shot everybody. So honestly I really don’t mind if people snipe in the finals.
@@Zlittlepenguin ah got it.
I am a riot shield enjoyer, I unlocked the blue skin on it. I already met players who had the final skin on it, and who enjoyed it even more. I think it is really powerful in the last showdown, because you can surprise the enemy team with it.
Although I use the riot shield rarely, it sucks to see that the developers of a game straight up don't use particular weapons or items and therefore don't know if they're bugged and don't know how to buff or nerf them.
I felt this alot when I used to main crypto and rampart in the earlier seasons of Apex Legends where the devs just had no clue what the hell they were doing at any point and were always super late to bring any sort of fix or do QoL additions or buffs and even nerfs to them because they just did not know how the character worked beyond their baseline ability descriptions.
Game design is hard when there's so much variety and it's very intricate to both configure low and high level play at once but it is completely unacceptable to neglect weapons just cause they're lesser used, a game developer should be the expert of their craft and know every detail, not be yet another average player who only cares about the fcar and xp5...
I get you, as a Caustic main the devs clearly don't know how to deal with him anymore. TF is going to have this problem forever and make it worse every time they release something new, and this is why we should never expect the whole game to be balanced constantly. But somehow that's how a lot of people expect it to be... despite playing the most boring, effective, reused weapons ever.
14:25 with an ultrawide monitor I can see my charm always so I never even thought of this for people who have a 16:9 ratio
Interesting!
This video is incredible and i loved your story. You've convinced me to pick up the finals again and try the riot shield.
Go for it! And thanks a lot :)
God, I made a post on Reddit a while back with a lot of those gripes. I’m happy you are bringing some attention to them.
The Pyro bug, the Claw going through and making the animation jank and melee hits going through are especially what I want fixed. The rest is manageable and Qol, but those 3 feel especially bad and ruin a lot of the weapons fun.
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Thank you for sharing my video everywhere in the official discord lol I appreciate it
For the riot shield, i rock gas and explosive mines with the sentry, basically full on defense. I love the riot shield, but the blocking is so bad. i wish you could see yourself in the third person in custom games.
What about a little slow down for the enemy on hit for a buff. The thing for med melee ks that people can just run away
That’s not a bad idea actually and it kinda works a little bit with the theme of the weapon lol
Would also be cool if they release another riot shield but with a pistol, burst pistol or machine pistol that force you to ADS for better accuracy but at a cost of lesser protection like in Rainbow six siege :x
(once they fix the ridiculous bug and issue first)
also i do agree that the right click should change to third person, if Heavy Mesh shield spec can do it, i dont see why riot shield not having that feature.
I don't think it should be ANOTHER riot shield, just a riot shield rework idea!
@@Jinko_ Also i was about the mention, maybe give the baton a 0.3s stun when hit, then i remember the horrible flashback of day 1 brigitte overwatch using her whip mace for dmg n heal and shield bash for extra boost n stun, i was a Orisa main, i still remember how helpless i am, cant outrun her and cant dmg her, i can still hear the sound of my Fusion Driver firing, tracing her movement while her mace depleting my health bit by bit.
edit: i tried to use Fortify to run away, then i heard her behind me "Rally to me!" "Alla till mig!" and back to the usual respawn point.
wonderfull, than we have nearly the blitz shield, wonderful concept, i will quit the game if they would do that
Instant Sub! Hi Jinko, I really appreciate the time and energy put into this video. You articulated yourself very well and spoke from your heart with honesty and respect. Real recognizes Real. Hopefully we can manifest some positive change for the game. I love playing the Riot Shield also and would be so excited to see changes like these on the patch notes. Keep up the good work brother, looking forward to more from you.
An afterthought also, I've noticed a bug in this game where certain cosmetics that glow or produce light can be spotted EASILY through smoke, effectively making the smoke useless. I am curious if the one Riot Shield skin withe the 2 lights on it has the same issue? Another thing to consider testing :)
Thanks for the kind words and that test idea!
@@Jinko_ my pleasure
Rise of the Riot Shield Hero
I will watch this video on repeat until riot shield is fixed
Merci pour ton excellent travail! La meilleure channel pour The Finals!
Merci pour ton gentil commentaire!
TKing is already a problem I was playing light with the sniper cause the new skin and I got TKed 5 times before leaving they need to add a punishment for TKing
Superb deconstruction of the Riot Shield, I main dagger but I love to take shield as a secondary option. I love taking goo grenades with the recent buff to prevent enemies from running away, it's really consistent, glitch traps are also awesome at preventing dash lights from effortlessly escaping you, but I suppose the actual melee attack could use a buff, the range and registration feels too strict compared to other melee weapons out there.
I think raising the shield needs a total rework honestly, the fact it makes you easier to hit compared to sprinting to the right of an enemy makes it borderline useless, only within point blank to close range will you ever get any value from doing so, not to mention, raising the shield makes you move very slow, reduces your fov, and reduces your turn speed, I think this is so overboard and should be completely redesigned.
I can tell you before I even watch the rest of this that I have never used it outside of onetime (maybe) in the practice range, not only because I like mediums other weapons more even just in concept (dual blades, why block when I could take a little damage and deflect the damage right back? defense and offense in one) but I get stomped pretty hard even on conventional weapons like the akm and fcar, let alone a melee weapon that requires me to only fight 1v1s (mostly)
and yeah the trailers are masterpieces, I've never, NEVER, watched a single trailer so many times before, I had to have watched it atleast 30+ times, as you said the music, the visuals, the sound design, I particularly like the one where they synced the game actions to the music with that thumpy bassy type song for the whole thing, I'd bop along to it every time without fail
also also hey gallantry! love his videos
a few things,1 the winch claw is a grab, so technically it grabs the shield with you on it.
2 lights, lights that are more mid to long range simply run away from you. for defense its not a problem but
3 medium and other melees (dual swords suffer the same problem) lights have mobility and heavies have the health to reach melee range, medium has a bit of both but two halves of a bike doesn't make one whole bike
The winch claw literally goes through the shield and grabs your body as show in the video though
@@Jinko_ I think what sjoerdderks4731 is saying is that even though visually and in code the winch claw grabs players through the shield, it can be inferred that it could instead grab the shield to pull you closer. Though after 100 hours of winch claw it just shouldn't be able to grab the riot shield.
The Riot Shield deserves a buff, they should make it more resistent to both fire and melee attacks, maybe also increase the speed of the baton attack
typical riotshield rat
You forgot to mention that sword lunges can’t be blocked by riot shield😬
But when I said that it doesn’t block any melee weapons it includes it
You make amazing videos! Love this deep dive on the riot shield.
Much appreciated!
Just stumbled upon and I already love this channel sooo much! Best regards
Glad you enjoy it!
Le RP CRS à traquer les plumes ; sah quel plaisir.
Every other melee has gotten some unique and interesting skins even with complimentary special animations, I had hoped S3 we would get a Japanese shield and Sword skin for Riot Shield unfortunately nope
Not too late, there’s like 3 months left in the season lol
One thought always occurs when I see an enemy riot shield. "Oh! Free kill!"
As a shield guy I came back here and see how many things actually changed. No more fire grenade bug, no more winch claw crapping on shield in bs ways. No more stuck projectiles in your field of vision "stuck" to your shield. Extra 6 damage per baton swing. Not sure about the floating shield bug, I didn't get it for a long time, but am not sure. Charge and slam is still very rough to deal with, but I find the little circle dodge dances fun. The rest remains unchanged i think. Overall very nice.
Yeah, I'm going to make a video about all these changes one day, to show how good they have treated the weapon since my video complaining about it!
Great video. I have a similar progression with shooters as a fighting game enjoyer. If a shooter has a melee option I tend to gravitate towards it.
I agree that Riot Shield and Dual Blades shouldn't be "meta" but they should definitely be consistent but also reward and promote movement. I feel that the Finals is just as much of a platformer as it is a shooter. You can feel the Mirrors Edge dna is in there and Battlefield has always had a pretty neat approach to movement anyways
There really feels like way too much stuff hard counters medium melee. Nothing makes me quite as sick as players that switch to stun gun cause they got killed by riot shield and dual blades.
The most unfortunate thing that happened to the Riot Shield is that its damage got stealth nerfed from 86 (up until a little bit after S2 launched) to 85 and one update later to 84.
This means now you can't Swing + Quick Melee a defibbed Medium and a regenerated TA Medium.
Edit: hold on i'm questioning my sanity i swear it used to do 86 damage
I've been giving feedback on the discord for months and the devs don't listen. I love this game, but like you I was drawn to the shield and can't convince myself to play anything else, but the riot shield experience is MISERABLE
It's because so few people play it, it makes sense that it's a low priority sadly
I love playing riot shield too! I feel like we may have bumped into each other while playing… if you were the person I explained to about how when you sidestep you expose more of your legs, and a little of your leg when walking forward. And only feet exposed when standing still.
Was not me, and I sadly rarely ever see riot shield players
Been using the shield the past week. It's fun but man it has some big flaws
You and me both with the stickers and skins. They gave us card board and a police shield. And the purple from the BP. Skins i want skins. I agree with all of your points. The best quality of life for shield was the fix for getting stuck on crouch when trying to slide. Sword dash goes through the shield up like winch. This is a great video you did greathighlighting the issues we need fixed. Our riot shield journey is the same but i came from paladins. Keep it up man!
Thank you for your service brother
About Explosive DMG being blocked/not blocked, the RS doesnt cover your Feet so the Explosion hits yout Hitbox even when holding it up
From my experience this is wrong. Explosions probably check for LOS on torso, not feet at least.
Ive learned that i wasnt alone as a shield main thank you
A lot of these reasons are why I much prefer the dual blades. The riot shield should be able to block everything that they can (charge n slam, melee weapons, and more tbh)
Now the fact that the dual blades are objectively worse but NOONE adresses because I have to be the only dual blades main to have actually played with them for more than 1 match or two.
Edit: I feel like I should clarify that I used to also main the riot shield so I know what I'm talking about.
I do think the dual blades are a worse riot shield in multiple aspects, but a better one in others... also, just for like everything else in this game, 50% of the playerbase will tell you the dual blades are OP and need a nerf while the other 50% are begging on their knees for a buff because they are useless...
@@Jinko_ I can assure you that if you played the blades for some time you'd realize that it's actually way less reliable and skill based than the riot shield.
@@SomeoneThatUnknownCat I agree, that's why I didn't become a Dual Blades main! I don't like it at all in its current state.
@@Jinko_ Well please do so they get a bit of visibility, we need embark to realize the concept is good but it does not work in practice.
@@SomeoneThatUnknownCat I'm pretty sure the stats and pickrate must speak for themselves tbh. If they get to work on the Riot Shield I'm convinced they will look into the dual blades as well!
Found you from Reddit - great video!
Thanks for coming here to comment!
im from the future and im a first time shield user. its really good. and rewards your positioning and use of gadgets. i like becoming a suicide bomber by throwing a grenade while someone is chasing me and standing on it. they come and try to meele me or fight me just to blow up
thanks for the tips about the diagonal run !
I had no idea we couldnt block from below wich makes tons of sense.
love these videos Jinko
riot shield no longer stays on fire as of s4
@@FightForUrRight-ob3qh thanks for the info!
I agree with almost everything here. Riot Shield does not get enough love.
The synergy issue is half true I feel like if there was a smoke grenade it would be fine. I shield main with a turret, nades/mines and of course, defib. It's definitely doable. However when there is a heavily saturated lobby I have to evaluate what they are bringing and usually switch to ak or something else.
LET'S GOOOOOOOOO RIOT SHIELD VIDEO
Thank you for this video. riot shield main and i feel you are right not enough attention to get fixes.
I think the riot shield needs like a shove like a minature version of the charge n slam but then pair it up with the ability to shield surf, so basically u shove then use the momentum to shield surf and then u got a way to chase down low enemies. Or maybe u can just run and jump and then land on ur shield to surf(yes, i just wanted to find a reason to put in shield surfing)
aight beside the awesome content, i do really like ur set
Thanks! But, you like my what?
@@Jinko_ i mean your set like ur cloth/skin that u show on intro, thats look cool
Thanks!
Great Video! Our riot shield main thanks you XD
Riot shield main here: I waited SO LONG for someone to say it! If I tell other players about these bugs they are always like WhY dO yOu WaNt A rIoT sHiElD bUfF? I don‘t want a buff, I just wanna play my favorite weapon without dying to one Pyronade and not being able to do anything
Yeah fixing the bugs would already be huge
Riot shield is so goated in the right hands
For example, mine
Jinko I saw you in THiiXY’s podium game!! Looked up your channel and you’re great
Thanks for coming here!
The riot shield adds an extra bulletproof layer of virginity.
I'm saving this for later for no reason at all, yyyup don't mind me
5:25 triggers 100% of the time when using a gateway btw
I never play light so I wouldn't know!
@@Jinko_
you just have to hop trough a teammates or enemies gateway :p
@der_baumstamm it triggers the bug every time?
THEY FINALLY FIXED THE FIRE GRENADE ISSUE!
I also love melee weapons. I played shield in metal gear online for mgs4. I also played montante in rainbow 6 siege but they nerfed the mf out of the shield so I quit. I started playing this game for sword, and have been a sword light main since the beginning. I gave the riot shield a try, it is insufferable. I recently picked up dual blades though.
Next video about Dual Blades
I already made a video about the dual blades recently (not at all the same theme tho)
I used to be a riot shield main until they fixed the weapon swap melee cancel... now the dual blades just feels like a straight upgrade :/ dual blades are cool but I wish the riot shield was a bit better - I don't want it to be top tier but it's just more frustrating than fun to play most of the time atm
this is exactly why this game has continued to digress since launch. they don't fix bugs experienced by mass amounts of players and when they do, its 3 months too late.
Well in this case the riot shield is literally one of the least played weapons so it doesn't really apply
I would be so ok if riot shield never got any type of movement buff or rework as long as they implement it always staying on your side when interacting with things. Also I love your idea for revives!!
Did you perchance chase a light with a m11 and dash in powershift on the 6th?
No clue
They should add a shield bash attack that deals 50 damage when you're ADS'ing with the shield.
I would take it even if it's 40 damage like quick melee
@@Jinko_ 40 seems fair
Riot shield needs a buff, like being able to replace the baton with a pistol or smth
The last one is silly but understandable, if you could block from the front while inspecting you would be able to move a lot faster
It just should not show the animation in third person, just like it doesn’t anymore for hand gestures as to not take your shield away from you
big fan of yours, do you know if anything has changed for it in this new season?
In the past months some bugs were fixed and the shield had a buff, I will eventually make a video to talk about all those changes! Thanks!
Questionable Buff: they probably added that because it was made for the Dual Swords at that time.
No because you can’t really do it with the sword, the attack animations are very long and can’t be cancelled with a block
Is the noise not because of the weapon charms? I thought those make sounds but i could be wrong
Nope
heck I rlly liked the revolver I main it after I got all the skins for the fcar
I played COD for the first time a month ago. I got dual-wield pistols ASAP. It is so fun to use random crap instead of *Insert boring meta rifle here*
indeed
curious to hear if they fixed some of these by now? anyone know?
They did fix a lot of things I will make a video about it
@@Jinko_ awesome thanks!
Simply blocking incoming bullets shouldnt give support points, because that's not really supportive
Like you cant heal yourself with the heal beam either
But if you block incoming bullers and you are between the shooter and a teammate, that should definitely give points and heavy shields should be reworked to behave like that too
Glitching someone with a trap across the map also gives support score despite being technically useless for your team. The game shouldn't decide when it's useless or not because there are infinite possibilities.
As for the heal beam argument I disagree, any blocked damage is damage you or your team won't need to heal back, so it's supportive in itself to block damage.
Make it so the winch claw only disables the riot shield, like, pulling it aside. Instead of grabbing the player.
Runny around naked with a baton
New Jinko video 🔥🔥🔥🔥
great video
I think you should be able to drop the shield and respawn it after some time
But the you are running naked with a baton, it’s just worse 🤔
Pyro nades hurt anyone for direct hits. To be honest. I don't think a riot shield should be able to stop a massive force like a sledge. It should be able to block the sword tho for light.
Pyro nades hurt you but then you move out of the fire and barely lost HP. If it hits a Riot shield, they are blind and cannot survive. Kind of a big difference.
@Jinko_ not really. I use sledge and been hit by my teammates Pyro direct hit and I died.
Its a shame that a game with a really cool concept such as being able to blow up the anything and everything in the environment would neglect all the actual fun stuff, really it seems like embark has no idea what it's doing when it comes to balancing.
Meeeeec THE FINALS c'est vraiment la masterclass que j'attendais (meme si Titanfall 2 existe). Et le loadout Riot + tourelles au debut du jeux c'était trop bien. (La méta CRS comme je l'appelle)
I vite arrêté la tourelle pour le heal mais quand j'ai découvert la puissance du dematerializer je suis devenu accro
@@Jinko_ aaah c'est vrai que c'est sympa mais jsuis sur un build AK + APS + Heal depuis 2 saison et ça me régale
if all the bugs where fixed the shield would be OP. the bugs should be turned ildnto features. the fire should only take your health down really low and the slam should just work like it does for the blades
3:24 Thanks for carry with a shield
I think that guy Stumpeh had the best score for every single stat in that match... But you are welcome! :D
@@Jinko_ true haha
Обожаю это оружие. Баг с огненной гранатой печалит. Моя тактика простая, бегу на врага левой стороной так как там щит и пули летят в щит, а я не теряю скорости и продолжаю бежать.
Riot Shield is OP af, just started rolling with it and daam do people not know what to do, so funny xD
My god. You could do this style of video with so much about the finals, hence why I've quit. Hope they do fix these issues but I'm doubtful. At least aim assist on melee is finally gone. (Good video btw. Keep it up)
giving life steal on the riot shield could be nice*
the day the riot shield will get buffed to the heavens will come one day i just know it, the hundreds of hours will pay off soon im sure of it
More of a cool fact, but riot shield has the most hard counters in the entire game.
I can't play for a while now, but I would love to see some actual buffs when I hop back. on
The buffs are definitely coming, I just hope it's sooner rather than later...
I sort of wonder about that… I would imagine the grenade launchers have quite a bit lol. One of the hard counters involves… being close to the person shooting it 😅. Either way it’s a shame… the game has so many unique weapons but so many of them are almost useless unless you get an entire lobby that happens to not be countering it very well.
Having a charm on the Riot shield is crazy
How so?
@@Jinko_ nothing negative it shows that ur a committed shield main
You can put charms on any weapon even if you never played it before
whenever i encounter a riot shield player they are usually pretty good
Pyro grenade go br
Because they most likely play it a lot!
epic video ty