I HATE DESTINY 2: LIGHTFALL

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  • @IHE
    @IHE  Рік тому +5974

    Just a reminder. This is the ramblings of a fairly casual, mostly solo player who plays on steam. Primarily focussed on the single-player, storytelling campaign side. Many people adore this game, it has a loyal, passionate community who will probably pick up technical mistakes I might make, but the live service model is ridiculous to keep track of. As a result, some of the points in this video may already be addressed by Bungie, but that's the nature of service games. They're always changing. Hope you enjoy!

    • @MrCommentGod
      @MrCommentGod Рік тому +16

      *Can all of the reply’s get the same amount of likes?*

    • @Kernwadi
      @Kernwadi Рік тому +135

      "This is just my opinion... Please, don't get angry at me."
      -Bilbo Baggins

    • @f0cus55
      @f0cus55 Рік тому +27

      I'm a banana.

    • @Kernwadi
      @Kernwadi Рік тому +61

      ​@@MrCommentGod"I like comments."
      -Bilbo Baggins

    • @NicoEdgy
      @NicoEdgy Рік тому +62

      Do I hate mars bars

  • @radiantduality8366
    @radiantduality8366 Рік тому +1976

    I remember reading a Steam review about Lightfall. It went something like this.
    “Witness this. Witness that. Bro, let me Witness a good story.”

  • @aleciad7218
    @aleciad7218 Рік тому +3546

    Imagine playing the original Halo trilogy but never finding out what the Halos are, what they do, and why the Covenant wants to activate them.

    • @testopringo6435
      @testopringo6435 Рік тому +555

      And then in halo 4 they say "oh halos are uh, yea they're big flashlights" in a mid battlepass footnote, and $25 to get a cute ring crown for your character! :]

    • @sir-reynauld-the-kleptomaniac
      @sir-reynauld-the-kleptomaniac Рік тому +262

      “I don’t care if it’s a anti sonovabitch machine or a giant hula hoop! We ain’t letting em have it! What we will let ‘em have is a belly full of lead and pool of their own blood to drown in! AM I RIGHT MARINES?!?”

    • @MadMadChad
      @MadMadChad Рік тому

      Destiny is just a tryhard Warframe clone for the mentally backwards so they can shoot braindead AIs in a braindead plot for braindead fanboy soyjacks

    • @tanork47
      @tanork47 Рік тому +163

      "I would tell you but it would take years" The excuse used by writers who can't explain a story.

    • @renasauceman
      @renasauceman Рік тому +23

      the lore in halo sucked balls. we were looking at game manuals trying to piece stuff together.

  • @uhobme2028
    @uhobme2028 Рік тому +2352

    They really took "I don't have time to explain why i don't have time to explain" and based a whole expansion's writing around it

    • @Nadiki
      @Nadiki Рік тому +143

      Somehow the expansion based off the character that said that line was miles better than the one we just got

    • @zOMGGaiaOnline
      @zOMGGaiaOnline Рік тому +55

      Funniest bit is they had a revolving door narrative team that had only post its everytime a new batch of writers came in

    • @SoI_Badguy
      @SoI_Badguy Рік тому +18

      Expansion? You mean franchise?

    • @jamesc8968
      @jamesc8968 Рік тому +47

      Somehow the 80's aesthetic returned

    • @UWfalcin
      @UWfalcin Рік тому +2

      dude fucking lol hahaha

  • @yovanil666
    @yovanil666 Рік тому +275

    “The stakes are higher than they’ve ever been.” Considering wtf is going on at Bungie now, I couldn’t agree more man.. I couldn’t agree more.

    • @chibikim77
      @chibikim77 Рік тому +19

      He did say at the end "Dont say I didnt warn you." And he was right! 100 people laid off. Game devs pleaded with upper management for change, but big corpa Bungie was like "No! Overdelivery!" And it wasn't Sony's fault!

    • @yovanil666
      @yovanil666 Рік тому +9

      @@chibikim77 Yea, it’s fucking insane how bad Lightfall truly turned out for Bungie.

  • @stinkfinga4918
    @stinkfinga4918 Рік тому +2390

    "Overdelivering" used to be called beating out the competition. I guess this is what we get when AAA companies all shake hands and agree to do the bare minimum.

    • @sntrytf
      @sntrytf Рік тому +360

      What even happened to “Underpromise and overdeliver”? Feels like nowadays the practice is overpromise and underdeliver lmfao. Did these big AAA companies just forget basic business principles?

    • @dmas7749
      @dmas7749 Рік тому +16

      my thoughts exactly

    • @TeamSprocket
      @TeamSprocket Рік тому +305

      @@sntrytf People keep buying the underdelivered slop, so there's no incentive to change. The only basic business principle that matters here is to maximize profits, and they're spending cents to make fistfuls of dollars, and they won't stop until they stop profiting off this model.

    • @fireassassin1688
      @fireassassin1688 Рік тому +18

      ​@@sntrytfalso released unfinished and filled with bugs and glitches

    • @chrimbus3442
      @chrimbus3442 Рік тому +80

      It really does put it in perspective why Bungie chooses to look at it this way. "See guys were not actually bad at our jobs we just CHOOSE not to make the content we said we would"

  • @LordKroe
    @LordKroe Рік тому +1168

    I cried when you showed the part about them not wanting to “over deliver”. Had no idea they said this. CRAZY way to run a company. Very sad.

    • @AngelicBeatdown
      @AngelicBeatdown Рік тому +163

      Yeah, they're like "oh we overdeliver if we make great content and then can't live up to it" like they never have done since Forsaken

    • @bigbelly8649
      @bigbelly8649 Рік тому +82

      This is the moden industry via microtransactions and battlepass. Every company thinks like this now and its not going to change looking at how much they are making.

    • @DPedroBoh
      @DPedroBoh Рік тому +36

      As ihe said, it makes sense as a business model, it doesn't make sense as an artist.
      They are going unapologetically for max profit for the least work, not for the best game. Hell if making a worse game makes more money that's what they are going for as they did and talked about openly.

    • @Mythraen
      @Mythraen Рік тому +25

      Cried?
      This should make you angry, not sad.

    • @PANCAKEMINEZZ
      @PANCAKEMINEZZ Рік тому +11

      This is in that same circle of unhinged game dev admitions as that time when 343 Industries just came out during Halo 4's development cycle and said "we hired people who hate Halo to make this Halo game."

  • @kaemonbonet4931
    @kaemonbonet4931 Рік тому +1041

    Overdelivery as a concept is literally incredible

    • @mikzpwnz_3199
      @mikzpwnz_3199 Рік тому +138

      It's just a buzzword to justify skimping out on content and give as little thought (or worse overthink on what to keep/toss) on planning to what you're trying to make. Or they looked at the numbers and see people have already bought the content so they think they could be lazy.

    • @Ruzzky_Bly4t
      @Ruzzky_Bly4t Рік тому +75

      I'm just imagining the meetings at Bungie where the corporate overlords discuss how they're worried about providing too much value for their customers.

    • @kanden27
      @kanden27 Рік тому +23

      In terms of a business concept for a live service. Yeah, it can make sense. It sets the expectations to constantly deliver 3-4 times a year is difficult.
      In terms of art, like IHE, mentions. It’s a terrible concept for art and games.

    • @tydendurler9574
      @tydendurler9574 Рік тому +3

      It's a concept people who use "literally" literally wrong deserve.

    • @khonsux5240
      @khonsux5240 Рік тому +8

      Well in retail, it’s mostly consumer 1st. I mean gaming is about the consumer, because if they don’t support your company doesn’t make money.
      So I can’t understand how they have that mindset. I guess maybe is because they get a bunch of upfront money, and fanboys will throw money at the screen no matter what.

  • @RottenHeretic
    @RottenHeretic Рік тому +222

    Being a new player in destiny 2 is basically like stepping into the sandbox on the playground and there's a bunch of kids with their castles already built. You get the basic tools for it but then if you want to make your castle look better or not have it crumble upon the slightest breeze, you ought to buy that green shovel, or that blue castle tower mold that have a bunch of stories behind them, but you will never know what those stories are because you weren't here when they were brought to the sandbox. Also there's a statue of a dead dude next to the playground for some reason.

    • @skorpion7132
      @skorpion7132 10 місяців тому +33

      I would go even further.
      Upon arriving at said bandbox where the others had their castles erected already. You aren't yet aware of those "objects" being castles because you've never seen one before as a very VERY young child.
      But once upon you saw those structures you wanted to make one yourself at which point you parentpass said: "no longer possible my child, we've stopped doing that." And now here you are in the sandbox only able to throw some sand around and use your little cheap bucket to make a simple tower which will collapse some time later.
      You are flashed a fancy green and blue shovel do make your tower faster but it costs money you dont have.
      And then it occurs to your little still-developing brain... what am I doing here?

    • @RottenHeretic
      @RottenHeretic 10 місяців тому +4

      @@skorpion7132 Hits way too hard man.

    • @aleatheltrashcan478
      @aleatheltrashcan478 7 місяців тому +2

      Destiny 2 is free to try not free to play, if you wanna enjoy the game you need to buy it.

    • @RottenHeretic
      @RottenHeretic 7 місяців тому +7

      @@aleatheltrashcan478 Never said anything about the free to play scene here buddy, but sure?

    • @subzero2678
      @subzero2678 6 місяців тому +1

      Going even further, many of those people with already built castles look down on the new arrivals and harass and bully them anytime they don't build their castle in a specific way with specific tools. Forget fun, just follow the trends of the people with the biggest castles, even if said people cheated or used exploits to build it while actively claiming they are better than everyone else.

  • @curiosityunbound5460
    @curiosityunbound5460 Рік тому +4741

    The only saving grace to my immeasurable disappointment with this dlc was the pleasure I knew I was going to get with the next IHE video ripping to shreds like it deserves.

    • @Kernwadi
      @Kernwadi Рік тому +36

      Am I the only one who forgot that this channel exists?

    • @ToweringPepsiMan
      @ToweringPepsiMan Рік тому +62

      I was worried he wouldn't cover it and move on and be happy.

    • @Roadrunner-n9k
      @Roadrunner-n9k Рік тому +28

      ​@@ToweringPepsiMan that's crazy talk. he has to talk about it and criticize it forever.

    • @dignelberrt
      @dignelberrt Рік тому +56

      ​@@Kernwadiman we get it, he doesn't upload that often. Stop asking on every comment.

    • @Kernwadi
      @Kernwadi Рік тому +2

      @@dignelberrt It's not just that, his videos are kinda forgettable.

  • @respawn223
    @respawn223 Рік тому +505

    I love that IHE comes out from the shadows to talk about how awful destiny is and then disappears again

    • @BSBSDerivative
      @BSBSDerivative Рік тому +32

      no one's ever really gone

    • @happyfullfridge
      @happyfullfridge Рік тому +6

      If I was him I would simply stop playing the game if I hate it so much lol

    • @dissolution9843
      @dissolution9843 Рік тому +33

      @@happyfullfridge Now, now, can't go depriving yourself of valuable content for your youtube channel! It's not like it's a massive source of income or anything.

    • @happyfullfridge
      @happyfullfridge Рік тому +9

      @@dissolution9843 that's fair, i watch these vids despite never playing this game and not planning to

    • @jonnovak6856
      @jonnovak6856 Рік тому +1

      Destiny and Bungie are always worth shitting on

  • @ihbupontyne
    @ihbupontyne Рік тому +2761

    Lightfall was meant to be a good expansion… until it wasn’t

    • @Jreaddy
      @Jreaddy Рік тому +20

      Na, it was never meant to be good.

    • @Verasoul
      @Verasoul Рік тому +62

      Not really. The Lightfall that they first announced was delayed and renamed The Final Shape and they cobbled together this trash in a "Fortnite."

    • @nerdstorma8427
      @nerdstorma8427 Рік тому +41

      As someone who always played Warframe over Destiny, why didn't bungie just postpone what they advertised as "lightfall" and call this expansion something else?
      Isn't this kind of like the equivalent of DE releasing Fortuna but calling it "The New War?"

    • @carpathianhermit7228
      @carpathianhermit7228 Рік тому +32

      ​@@nerdstorma8427because less people would have purchased it

    • @saintjames1995
      @saintjames1995 Рік тому +25

      My least favorite thing is how the villain looks like some generic Pixar villain

  • @lunokhod3937
    @lunokhod3937 Рік тому +281

    I'm glad someone else picked up on the aesthetic and thematic break that Lightfall is. I adore Destiny's art direction, I've had concept art and screenshots as my wallpapers for years. The whole 'atmosphere' of the Destiny universe; that we are wandering in ancient ruins that are alien to the characters in-universe but familiar to us 21st century players is just awesome. I think the golden age ruins on Venus are some of the most seamless and beautiful bits of visual storytelling I've ever seen. Just by looking at the Ishtar Academy you can see how far our civilisation climbed, and then how far we fell; great skyscrapers slip into the acidic ocean while the planet belches thick yellow clouds, erasing the effort spent to terraform it.
    They shit all over that with Neomuna, it really pisses me off. This all-encompassing, omnipresent evil that crushed humanity at it's height, defeating even the great warminds and the traveler itself? The evil that felled countless civilisations before us, leaving them as twisted husks of their former glory? It missed a spot, and they've been prospering this whole time. Fuck off.

    • @Soniti1324
      @Soniti1324 7 місяців тому +12

      100% agree. The *entire* art direction of Lightfall _isn't Destiny._
      It's generic neon shooter territory, and I hate literally every polygon of it.

  • @oversalyt
    @oversalyt Рік тому +1259

    This video was more entertaining than the £80 expansion I paid for from a company apparently worth $3.6 billion.

    • @mocapcow2933
      @mocapcow2933 Рік тому +37

      That’s because IHE is worth $3.7 billion

    • @spew42
      @spew42 Рік тому +12

      Crazy what passion and drive to be proud of one's own work does to the quality of the product :D wish Bungie employees were given the green light to make something they'd be proud of, without holding back. But what self respecting artist or engineer is gonna put their best work into something that exists for a MAXIMUM of one year... I'd imagine it's quite discouraging

    • @saartnomsky4523
      @saartnomsky4523 Рік тому

      we got robbed bro, i paid 70 bucks for diablo 4

    • @loquek
      @loquek Рік тому

      @@saartnomsky4523at least that has some fun content delivered through some decent story

    • @twelvevfxofficial
      @twelvevfxofficial Рік тому

      Made me spit my drink 🤣

  • @Navonex
    @Navonex Рік тому +736

    "Don't over deliver, your creating patterns"
    Translation: don't hold us to actual standards we'll go broke

    • @fishspoons
      @fishspoons Рік тому +8

      So whilst the balance is blatantly wrong with Destiny, the inflationary implications of the "overdelivery" mode of game design is equally troubling, both for the ever-increasing time and money it requires and also for the damage it does to the lives and creative capacities of the overworked developers.
      In both instances capitalism and profit margins create unworkable cycles.

    • @MovisFun
      @MovisFun Рік тому +11

      That's the thing though, they wouldn't go broke. There is nothing like Destiny on the market, the community is addicted to their product, the revenue is through the roof, and the company's market valuation is insane; they could easily put a few more months of work into each expansion but there is simply no need for that because even with minimal effort people will still buy their product. That's the part that annoys me - they aren't an indie studio but they deliver the bare minimum and act like they have no resources to do the things the proper way.

    • @dogsbecute
      @dogsbecute Рік тому +19

      @@fishspoons imagine thinking over delivery is an actual phenomenon. That shit is lazy speak for "please dont hold me to the standards i set". They have made so much money, they can literally afford to hire new people that actually enjoy destiny since its clearly on its last legs, and have them handle the game with new teams while they have the vets on Marathon, instead of putting everyone on marathon and gas lighting the community into thinking theyre the reason nothing good comes out of destiny recently

    • @austinr.7789
      @austinr.7789 Рік тому +7

      ​@@fishspoons When an independent studio a fraction the size of a AAA studio backed by a company can create a product superior to the AAA studio's in every way, without all these complaints of being "over worked", this excuse (I don't dare call it an actual argument) is absolute horse manure.

    • @Ehh.....
      @Ehh..... Рік тому +6

      Appearantly, after all the baldur's gate 3 discourse, that's just an industry wide line of thinking.

  • @ChrisDelChris
    @ChrisDelChris Рік тому +544

    I’m starting to think that maybe Activision wasn’t holding Bungie back but rather curtailing their bullshit.

    • @ZeekarPRIME
      @ZeekarPRIME Рік тому +26

      Activison is doing WAY worse than bungie, which says a lot with how shitty bungie is doing themselves.

    • @dacedave4161
      @dacedave4161 Рік тому +150

      ​@@ZeekarPRIMEHe's got a point though. Destiny was less expensive too. DLCs were half the price and were higher quality. Destiny 2 is just a big joke and Bungie doesn't seem to care. Not saying Activision was any better but apparently they were doing at least one thing right.

    • @nickelback3360
      @nickelback3360 Рік тому +4

      Halo was never good

    • @TheSympathize
      @TheSympathize Рік тому +41

      Don’t forget that a lot of the original team members at Bungie actually left after the studio got bought out.
      That being said, just because you made a series of great games, doesn’t mean you’re going to continue to turn out amazing hits.
      Artists hit a rut too after a while.

    • @ImperialDestroyer77
      @ImperialDestroyer77 Рік тому +44

      @@nickelback3360 relax now buddy

  • @bobdavidson1320
    @bobdavidson1320 2 місяці тому +29

    Where’s the I hate the final shape video Alex. I need it, I want it, I am desiring it.

    • @UWfalcin
      @UWfalcin Місяць тому +3

      If my gentleman nobly desires it then he shall have it.

    • @xTHExJ0KERxx
      @xTHExJ0KERxx Місяць тому +2

      He cooking. I remember him saying that on his other channels. But I hope it comes soon!

  • @UnfoundFilms
    @UnfoundFilms Рік тому +607

    That IHE has gone from calling the Moths ‘moth people’ to ‘moth monsters’ shows how harrowed he’s become by this game. Truly a broken man.

    • @Nero_PR
      @Nero_PR Рік тому +34

      First IHE about Destiny and his mention of Moth People compared to now shows how scarred he is by this game.

    • @ExpertPenguin
      @ExpertPenguin Рік тому +18

      MOTH PEOPLE 😭

    • @Giovanni_Lippert
      @Giovanni_Lippert Рік тому +3

      He's like Luke Skywalker and Nick Fury

  • @prismgames
    @prismgames Рік тому +256

    Gotta love how Bungie was so lazy that instead of making a new enemy race, they condensed it into one being.

    • @jakespacepiratee3740
      @jakespacepiratee3740 Рік тому +3

      The Tormentors have shown there are other creatures that follow the Witness.

    • @valentinegonsalves7322
      @valentinegonsalves7322 Рік тому +39

      Fuck that, why the hell does DESTINY, a space sci-fi fantasy war videogame on Neomuna look like a higher resolution textured on Fortnite?
      Bungie's ony strengths at this point was their art-direction and landscapes. In a world where Halo Infinite couldn't resurrect that franchise, more people seemed to be ready for Lightfall to hit home. Instead, they kissed the mark sk badly.
      "Videogame arcades" as a location! Is this some sort of Marvel style meta-humour garbage?

    • @prismgames
      @prismgames Рік тому +3

      @@valentinegonsalves7322 It is meta humour garage. I'll bet this was entirely a decision made by the executives/marketing analysts. They saw the financial success of Fortnite and tried to replicate it.

    • @Mariusweeddeath
      @Mariusweeddeath Рік тому +6

      @jakespacepiratee3740 the Tormentors aren't a new race. They are basically bio-engineered weapons from Nezerracks (the raid bosses) left over body parts.
      Not really an excuse to not add a new faction but just an explanation of why the Tormentors aren't one.

    • @BitrateBilly
      @BitrateBilly Рік тому +1

      i wouldnt really have minded if it was just tormentors since they are so dynamic, the real problem is that they are never used outside the campaign.

  • @Widur42
    @Widur42 Рік тому +151

    Can we just remind ourselves that we still, after 9 years, don't know what the Traveler is. If this is not revealed in Final Shape and if it is not the most bombshell, revelatory story reveal in the history of video games, a lot of people are going to be pissed.

    • @MiniDallas000
      @MiniDallas000 Рік тому +30

      We know more about the Veil than the Traveler at this point.
      Traveler and Veil have some sort of connection, we know now that the Veil is a shared consciousness, acting like a living memory of the universe. The "Witnessians"/Witness needed it to cut into the Traveler to reshape?/end? reality inside that portal
      What does this make the Traveler? find out in a voice line in expiring content, I guess?

    • @lemon8890
      @lemon8890 Рік тому +23

      Be ready to be disappointed I doubt the writers of this games come up with some mind blowing reveal about the Traveler Destiny story die when the orginal lead writer Joseph Staton left.

    • @vampiric172
      @vampiric172 Рік тому +31

      The real traveller is the friends we made along the way

    • @oliversayer6920
      @oliversayer6920 Рік тому

      How does anyone give a shit anymore

    • @chazzitz-wh4ly
      @chazzitz-wh4ly Рік тому +10

      You don’t my like mystery box storytelling? Why open the box after 9 years? It’s likely more disappointing than anything you speculated before.

  • @carbodude5414
    @carbodude5414 Рік тому +725

    That GDC talk is one of the most vile things I've ever heard from a game dev
    And because Destiny has no competition, they'll keep churning out mediocrity on purpose because the community have developed severe Stockhold Syndrome

    • @xXx_Regulus_xXx
      @xXx_Regulus_xXx Рік тому +58

      I quit after WQ because I wanted to go out on a relatively high note, now I'm just hoping starfield scratches my itch for a fun space rpg well enough.

    • @Hylian_Glitchmobber
      @Hylian_Glitchmobber Рік тому

      Justin Truman represents everything wrong with modern gaming. He's a scummy, greedy, ass hat.
      Intentional mediocracy with the goal of hooking your player base through manipulation rather than quality content. Truman is genuinely one of the biggest POS in the industry. Bungie is drowning in greed

    • @HYBRIDZHQ
      @HYBRIDZHQ Рік тому +62

      It seems so tone deaf lol. Warframe is the same game at all but I feel with that game you get a broken or unfinished update sometimes but you usually get the sense that the developers wanted to try something that seemed interesting or different because it could be fun.

    • @Siegram999
      @Siegram999 Рік тому +58

      @@xXx_Regulus_xXx yeah what could possibly go wrong with starfield.....

    • @anegwa
      @anegwa Рік тому +15

      @@Siegram999 perfect pfp for that comment

  • @benfox6292
    @benfox6292 Рік тому +317

    you know when the game designers say that their favorite parts are a lost sector and a useless set piece that you're in a bad spot.

    • @rawpie2
      @rawpie2 Рік тому +5

      yeah second I heard that it was red flags

  • @jeremystone4139
    @jeremystone4139 Рік тому +698

    It's mindblowing that Bungie uses the term "apathy - a lack of interest/enthusiasm" to pat themselves on the back.

    • @rushi5638
      @rushi5638 Рік тому +43

      To be fair, it seems more like they use the fact that they make games which players do not feel apathy about to pat themselves on the back. It's just a shame they believe (probably correctly) that antipathy is what they should be aiming for instead of love and joy. Lots of devs these days transparently in the mindset of prioritizing engagement over a good experience. Not to get too conspiratorial but their apparent philosophy would actually compel them to intentionally do things to piss off the fans (like make a bad game/expansion) so they can build hype - "oh we heard the audience loud and clear, so this time we nailed it!". Like selling stepped on heroin to dope fiends so you can start selling marginally better shit and they feel like you're a saint for supplying them with that good shit.

    • @rushi5638
      @rushi5638 Рік тому +71

      How to be the best drug dealer:
      1) Give your customers that GOOD shit the first time.
      2) Start cutting your product hard.
      3) Wait until they complain.
      4) Promise you'll do everything in your power to score some better stuff, because you really care about your customers.
      5) Cut your product half as much.
      6) Be praised as the best dealer in town despite the fact that the shit you're selling is still only like 60% as strong as the crap you gave them in step 1.
      7) Rinse and repeat. Eventually they'll be paying full price for shoe polish masquerading as heroin and they'll *thank* you for selling them something that's only 1% heroin.

    • @byzantion1683
      @byzantion1683 Рік тому +10

      Didn't they just lazily steal a common phrase too? "The opposite of love isn't hate- it's indifference" hardly deep if so

    • @ChangedMyNameFinally69
      @ChangedMyNameFinally69 Рік тому +15

      ​@@byzantion1683Which I find weird because no, liking and disliking something ARE opposites, rather they should mean that the opposite of passion is apathy.

    • @byzantion1683
      @byzantion1683 Рік тому +1

      @@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Well I never said common phrases made common sense, by definition you are correct yep lol.

  • @apdj94
    @apdj94 11 місяців тому +50

    I never understood how Neptune was a complete secret when we could easily travel throughout the system to whatever planet we wanted. Yet somehow we never noticed a massive hyper advanced city on the surface???

    • @williek08472
      @williek08472 7 місяців тому +4

      Probably because Neptune is a gas giant that isn't supposed to have a surface

    • @KarpetBurn
      @KarpetBurn 6 місяців тому +6

      ​@williek08472 Well, neither is Venus, and we went there quite a few times. Neptune is also supposed to be EXTREMELY cold and dark given it's distance from the sun but eh this is Destiny, consistency is irrelevant.

  • @tyk-tok8423
    @tyk-tok8423 Рік тому +417

    It is super telling that Bungie no longer feels comfortable with a company motto/mission statement centered around creating the things they wish to see in the world. Tells you everything you need to know about the current state of this company.

    • @NateTheScot
      @NateTheScot Рік тому +52

      Also the fact their pronouns are above their fucking JOB TITLES in their promo shit tells you everything about what their current focus is too.

    • @MadMadChad
      @MadMadChad Рік тому

      Destiny is just a tryhard Warframe clone for the mentally backwards so they can shoot braindead AIs in a braindead plot for braindead fanboy soyjacks

    • @DaPark3
      @DaPark3 Рік тому +74

      @@NateTheScot yeah inclusivity is totally the problem not corporate greed

    • @brothermanguy
      @brothermanguy Рік тому +43

      @@DaPark3 inclusivity and corporate greed can be argued to be connected

    • @Otacon2099
      @Otacon2099 Рік тому +16

      @@brothermanguy if any of you heard about the magic the gathering LOTR cards than yes i agree they are 100% connected

  • @xornanbu
    @xornanbu Рік тому +791

    I cannot describe the excitement I was in when anticipating the release of this video. You never fail to entertain!

    • @MrCommentGod
      @MrCommentGod Рік тому +2

      The entertainment levels always go up 📈

    • @Kernwadi
      @Kernwadi Рік тому +7

      I forgot that this channel exists...

    • @frogglen6350
      @frogglen6350 Рік тому +1

      Well he dud screw up in his first last jedi video

    • @chaosmirco
      @chaosmirco Рік тому

      This!

  • @bladdyboi2962
    @bladdyboi2962 Рік тому +322

    It is so important in storytelling to have a clear motive that the hero is fighting for. Them not explaining the veil is like Gandalf not explaining anything about the ring to Frodo and just saying he has to throw it in a volcano over and over again.

    • @Vonias
      @Vonias Рік тому

      FRODO YOU GOT TO THROW THIS RING IN THE VOLCANO FRODO!! HURRY!!
      "What?? Why?"
      I DONT HAVE TIME TO EXPLAIN FRODO YOU MUST THROW IT IN THE VOLCANO OR A TERRIBLE FATE WILL BEFALL US ALL!

    • @thesavagegummybear7341
      @thesavagegummybear7341 Рік тому +21

      I think you just perfectly described light fall

    • @stevescruby1343
      @stevescruby1343 Рік тому +24

      The story just makes our Guardian feel utterly moronic and without any agency. He just goes around slaughtering entire armies literally without being able to explain what his objective is, what he’s doing or why. It’s just “we need to get to the Veil, go kill these guys trying to get the Veil.” What’s the Veil? Don’t know! We don’t even learn anything about it after clearing the entire campaign. It’s just some…pink thing that the Bad Guy wants. It’s hard to understand or have a sense of stakes when you aren’t given the first clue as to what’s going on. It was such a weird, surreal experience to play through because I was genuinely mystified the entire time as to what any character was doing or talking about. Hell, what even was that Radial Mast thing? That was never explained either.
      It felt like the missions were created by one team and the story / lore was created by another, and it seemed that they barely communicated.

    • @sanjidandelion
      @sanjidandelion Рік тому +2

      ​@stevescruby1343 The veil was explained WAY too late. It was explained as a story mission that it's supposed to be the source of darkness just as the traveler is the source for the light.

    • @stevescruby1343
      @stevescruby1343 Рік тому

      @@sanjidandelion Ah I see. Yeah, to be honest…that’s just too late. We should have been given some kind of hint during the campaign so that we could have some notion as to what the heck we were doing.

  • @obikedog
    @obikedog 10 місяців тому +22

    Absolutely mindblowing to see the "manager" talk so candidly. He basically says the quiet parts out loud - guessing to an audience of managers and investors? This concept of "velocity" being more important than quality in what essentially is viewed by its consumers as playable art is the beating heart of why Destiny is so frustrating. It has so much potential. Here the manager admits he has the talent and passion at his disposal and its his job to crush that in pursuit of profits for his masters. How depressing.

  • @glennhengist3977
    @glennhengist3977 Рік тому +340

    It really is inspiring to watch this whole channel's focus evolve from complaining about how annoying Gangyam Style was into a detailed account of a young man slowly losing his battle with addiction. My personal favorite arc was the one about Keemstar going down into lava. Cheers mate!

    • @SwiftNimblefoot
      @SwiftNimblefoot Рік тому +15

      What baffles me is how he even stays afloat, considering he barely produces any content anymore. Pity, his search for the worst videos used to be great.

    • @BiBiren
      @BiBiren Рік тому +43

      @@SwiftNimblefoot honestly i'd rather sub to someone who gives time to make quality content (even for so long, i can probably guess he has a job and a LIFE outside of youtube) than someone who pumps garbage content everyday. you can't rush art. just sayin'

    • @KäptnKrückschwank
      @KäptnKrückschwank Рік тому

      @@SwiftNimblefoot I don’t care about the interval, but I am disappointed this seems to have become a gaming channel

    • @explosivooo
      @explosivooo Рік тому +6

      if this channel has one purpose, to shine a light on the biggest gaming grift that continues to this day, then I don't care about how long the videos take. Don't agree with the algorithm, commenters.

    • @ysucae
      @ysucae Рік тому

      ​@@explosivoooi mostly agree.
      but have you heard of star citizen lol

  • @raptorprimal1077
    @raptorprimal1077 Рік тому +196

    "Only strand can withstand a suppression field" yet when you replay the mission with the unlocked strand subclass, you cannot use strand unless you find the green glowie things. I love this consistent attention to detail from bungie

    • @ParagonFury
      @ParagonFury Рік тому +6

      Because the mission is designed and balanced around the Suppression mechanic, and Bungie doesn't want people getting Strand from Normal, then using it to trivialize sections of the Legendary Campaign that would otherwise be much more difficult.

    • @scotttimbrell8632
      @scotttimbrell8632 Рік тому +45

      @@ParagonFury You do realise that the missions are not, in any way, designed and balanced around suppression fields right? They are actually JUST annoying small sections where the game wants you to hold E on something....its a joke.

    • @ParagonFury
      @ParagonFury Рік тому +1

      ​@@scotttimbrell8632
      1: The first fight where Jammers are present.
      2: The fight right before getting the Drake Tank.
      3: The fight in the hanger before getting Strand.
      Jut 3 fights off the top of my head that would be massively different if you were allowed to Super and/or use all your powers freely.

    • @scotttimbrell8632
      @scotttimbrell8632 Рік тому +5

      @@ParagonFury Massively different? I hardly use my super in most of the missions because i forget i have it. The suppressors are literally there to force you into using strand, thats it, you could do the mission without your super but you have to use strand because thats how you destroy them. Guess the levels are designed around them because the level designers FORCE you to use the grapple.

    • @oldman6916
      @oldman6916 7 місяців тому +1

      ​​@ParagonFury the bungie glazing is crazy. It's dogshit, quit defending it.

  • @officialg39
    @officialg39 Рік тому +629

    it’s crazy to me how after however many years humanity has been able to traverse the solar system in this universe, that they just apparently have never been to one of the biggest planets

    • @zeporion6091
      @zeporion6091 Рік тому +81

      Nor has anyone from Neptune been anywhere else

    • @ElA-eb9pi
      @ElA-eb9pi Рік тому +23

      The in game reason is that the city has been hidden by savathun using weird hive magic.

    • @SeanoM7
      @SeanoM7 Рік тому +104

      @@zeporion6091 they actually have. Post-expansion lore explains how previous Cloudstriders scouted the solar system, and one even went to Earth and erased all records of the ship that fled to Neptune during the Collapse after seeing how Humanity warred amongst itself during the Dark Age.
      Sounds interesting until you realize it raises more questions than it answers. Much like the expansion as a whole.

    • @redbruhcolli
      @redbruhcolli Рік тому

      Destiny lore and story are plain shit

    • @ipsyper791
      @ipsyper791 Рік тому +15

      Pretty sure Guardians did go to Neptune but couldn’t find the giant city bc of the storm or something which is still dumb. You would think they would at least be picking up on absolutely insane amounts of energy coming from Neptune if they were producing more then in Earths golden age lol.

  • @ESmorgue
    @ESmorgue Рік тому +56

    This is literally the most expensive Season to date. They passed this off as a expansion. They cut "Strand" from Witch Queen in order to pass this off. I imagine that "the veil" was going to storied out throughout the Seasons. Before we got to what was supposed to be "Lightfall".

  • @prdalien0
    @prdalien0 Рік тому +339

    Loved when I heard "Watch out Guardian, the 'group' have the 'thing' " Stellar dialogue as always from destiny.

    • @NateTheScot
      @NateTheScot Рік тому +66

      Oh no, the X are about to use the Y to do the Z, guardian! STOP THEM!
      Copy paste for 4 hours.

    • @eliaspanayi3465
      @eliaspanayi3465 Рік тому +12

      I do not know who I am, I do not know why i am here, all I know, is that I must kill

    • @drakvaclav826
      @drakvaclav826 Рік тому +24

      (after 35 minute bulletsponge boss battle while your ghost is hacking something): Oh no, this *insert light artifact* actually is far more powerful than we thought, it is connected to *insert vaguely established concept* in some way!
      *Quest added: Visit Ikora on *insert Vanilla D1 location*
      *Quest added: Find 8563 *insert a throwaway collectable* by killing *insert a D1 enemy type*

  • @Nerzana
    @Nerzana Рік тому +97

    that lightfall drop pod is an impressive example of the ineptitude of modern bungie. they couldn't use it as a cinematic to disguise a loading screen, they just slapped the loading screen immediately afterwards.

  • @BaRtt4
    @BaRtt4 Рік тому +552

    That motto change is so funny and tragic at the same time. Somehow it's not evil big publishers that made bungie corpo, it's them going independent

    • @carlos-zy7vx
      @carlos-zy7vx Рік тому +61

      to be fair bungie was like this even in destiny 1

    • @dinkydonker4580
      @dinkydonker4580 Рік тому +17

      Contemporary animal farm

    • @elitetripod4188
      @elitetripod4188 Рік тому +26

      Netease invested heavily in them back in 2018. There's your reason.

    • @TonyNumber9
      @TonyNumber9 Рік тому +41

      Yet halo fans want bungie to make halo great again and still think they are still same amazing company lmao

    • @grimjoker5572
      @grimjoker5572 Рік тому +6

      Which makes a bit of sense. When they had big parent companies to cover the cost they could be idealistic it's a lot harder to stick to your passion and vision when you're the one holding the bag.

  • @morsalisk4649
    @morsalisk4649 Рік тому +73

    This is totally for myself and myself only, but I called this back in 2014 when D1 first released and to see the community that insisted the series would be good in a few years and gaslit themselves into actually believing that fall so far is just wonderful.
    Secondly, for anyone who loves a "live service" video game, you need to fully understand the dynamic between you and it. It doesn't want your passion, it wants your money and time. If you want it to change for the better and to change immediately, you need to deprive it of both, or else nothing will change. Or you could just play better games

    • @panzershreck8077
      @panzershreck8077 Рік тому +14

      You're speaking into the void, my friend. People can't control themselves cus they're all retar*ed. Even if you showed em what you could get worth $90 on literally any other game, they'd still defend the shit bungie gives em

    • @Shmandalf
      @Shmandalf Рік тому +4

      I actually got that feeling too. I got to the max level on D1 in a couple weeks and ended up selling my copy back to the store while it was still worth something, and I don't regret it at all

    • @Paul-lp5pu
      @Paul-lp5pu 11 місяців тому +1

      Fucking facts. This sort of terrible all proper noun storytelling was the backbone of D1. Glad I never spent another dime on this franchise after that terrible first game.

  • @ElvistheAlien
    @ElvistheAlien Рік тому +6202

    It's great to see you in my sub box again. Another well articulated video with great points.

  • @cheekytoss907
    @cheekytoss907 Рік тому +291

    “A live service is about being fast”
    Yet it can take them MONTHS to fix issues in the game. What a piss take

    • @KIager
      @KIager Рік тому +34

      >gotta go fast
      >bug that ties frame rate to damage has been in the game for years

    • @davixx1995
      @davixx1995 Рік тому +16

      the live service raison d'etre is making more content for the players to churn, that's the only important metric, and that's the only thing these live services do fast, they make digital junk to nickel and dime you with, it's very in line with the general reasoning of capitalism, they keep building and extending a bridge, they don't do maintenance on what's been built, they only care about finishing the bridge, but that's the thing, it's never finished, it's a journey without destination, a bridge built towards nowhere, until it inevitably collapses under its own weight.

    • @goliver9991
      @goliver9991 Рік тому +3

      you cant sell fixes.. yet

    • @Erinn909
      @Erinn909 Рік тому +6

      i dont even know what theyve "fixed" haha everytime i log on if im not greeted with an error code or constant contacting destiny 2 servers, ill find bugs with the new loadout system, visual glitches and clunky gameplay. As much as I love this game to bits, idk how much more i can keep invested in this game. I will still play it when theres new content but i will never have the same enjoyment i had when i made my first playthrough up to witch queen.

    • @arandomcommenter412
      @arandomcommenter412 Рік тому

      Are you saying his take is bad or..?

  • @ThetaSentinel
    @ThetaSentinel Рік тому +66

    The gravity lift was attached to your frame rate. For it to work properly you gotta drop your frame rate down to 30. When I figured it out, I couldn’t believe it. Beyond infuriating

    • @LEXXIUS
      @LEXXIUS Рік тому +15

      It's the year 2023 and still not enough technological advancements to not to tie crap in game to the framerate!
      And the grappling to moving objects seems to be in the same boat. I play at 120 fps and during the mission where you are given the option to grapple onto a thresher (if I recall the name correctly) and it always dropped me when it flew in a curve.

    • @kilianbalter
      @kilianbalter Рік тому +1

      @@LEXXIUS Wow I knew about the lift (and the dozens of other previous framerate bugs), but it never occurred to me it was also the reason I had so much difficulty with that Thresher every time I tried. Seriously thought it was just me not understanding the grapple correctly. Thank you I can now live in piece.

  • @leninfonseca4840
    @leninfonseca4840 2 місяці тому +26

    I’m waiting for the final shape vid

  • @CathPaluigi
    @CathPaluigi Рік тому +303

    I love watching IHE rag this game I never had any intention of playing, he makes it sound intriguing with potential to be great while at the same time making me feel lucky for never having fallen down that rabbit hole.

    • @justsomewalrus9923
      @justsomewalrus9923 Рік тому +29

      That's pretty accurate. Lots of wasted potential

    • @alexA.7529
      @alexA.7529 Рік тому +28

      You straight up accurately described a lot of Destiny right here

    • @Killomainia
      @Killomainia Рік тому +20

      As a 9 year crack addict of this game, I can fairly say you have made the right choice. Run while you still can

    • @quasimoto1036
      @quasimoto1036 Рік тому +4

      It’s honestly like heroin, sounds extreme but I use that as an example in the sense that it’s fucking awful but I’ve been playing for so long I just can’t give it up

    • @diamondhamster4320
      @diamondhamster4320 Рік тому

      Does not matter. He still paid for the full priced expansion pack.

  • @flaksoft8003
    @flaksoft8003 Рік тому +381

    We never thought bad dialog could get worse
    Until they did

    • @davecrupel2817
      @davecrupel2817 Рік тому

      Speak for yourself.

    • @BigBoss549
      @BigBoss549 Рік тому +10

      @@davecrupel2817?

    • @flaksoft8003
      @flaksoft8003 Рік тому +4

      I miss IHE's ghost
      He had personal issues but he sure knew how to speak

    • @dacedave4161
      @dacedave4161 Рік тому +4

      ​@@davecrupel2817I see what you did there

    • @Nobody-uj8qh
      @Nobody-uj8qh Рік тому +5

      “ I don’t have time to explain why I don’t have time to explain.”

  • @keeplearning4L
    @keeplearning4L Рік тому +363

    this has probably been said over and over but the concept art for destiny makes it look SO sick…i think that’s why a lot of people are perpetually holding hope for a better state of destiny. there are so many cool concepts but they continue to underdeliver and sell out for expensive cash grabs

    • @mosspawcat
      @mosspawcat Рік тому +27

      This is what scares the shit out of me when people mention the new Marathon's concept art as having a "cool style." I want to be hopeful that one of my favorite franchises won't turn out like Destiny has, but Nu-Bungie(TM) being the way they are just kills it for me.

    • @Legoman775
      @Legoman775 Рік тому +29

      its the abuse victim mentality, you keep going back and hoping things will change but they never will. I tried playing Destiny 2 and its just ok, i dont understand what everyone sees in it. Its an ok shooter with no story just go kill things and get an engram with a random item lol

    • @justzack641
      @justzack641 Рік тому +9

      ​​​@@Legoman775Look at it from the perspective of its own genre. It's a good FPS when you're talking about shooters in general, but within the category of an "MMO looter shooter"? Destiny 2 is right now arguably the BEST game in the market from a gameplay perspective, mostly attributed to the fact that there just isn't a lot of competition to begin with. The closest thing most people can even compare the game to is Warframe, and both of them aren't even really in the same genre to begin with.
      It is the same deal with why there's a community of people who keep buying Madden or Fifa games every year despite literally being the same reskinned games over and over, because there's just *no other options.* The lack of competition feeds into a lack of need to innovate and a lack of effort, and it's starting to show with Destiny.

    • @notoffensivenpc8400
      @notoffensivenpc8400 Рік тому +2

      @@ELpeaceonearth man i jumped after shadowkeep launched, when the game still had the old content in. the story was never good, but the atmoshpere it set up and the mystery just reeled you in and left you hoping that you get that same feeling. i wouldn't compare it to to abuse victim mentality like legoman calls it. i would say it's more like a drug.

    • @christiangarizio7587
      @christiangarizio7587 Рік тому +1

      @@ELpeaceonearth It is no longer d1 vanilla, if youre still playing just because youve been playing a while, its probably best to move on. (Coming from someone with nearly 4k hours in D2)

  • @yourlocalreptillian1742
    @yourlocalreptillian1742 Рік тому +54

    As Tim Christie Skeletor once said: "Bungie is scraping the bottom of the barrel and somehow they found ANOTHER *FUCKING* BARREL."

  • @Crimsoneyez003_
    @Crimsoneyez003_ Рік тому +495

    The fact that Rohan couldn’t even get a CG cutscene death was crazy

    • @Bingus1507
      @Bingus1507 Рік тому +18

      Meh the In game engine actually looks good and might be kinda jarring to have a loading screen when he’s about to die

    • @lemon8890
      @lemon8890 Рік тому +14

      The only time cgi cutscreen is good is when they used it in Hitman 2016 they hired a great animated film studio to make it, Bungie don't give a shit to make quality content anymore.

    • @marcust478
      @marcust478 Рік тому

      @@lemon8890 You mean the Hitman Absolution seamless transitions?
      I think that was the first one they used and applied on the others as the franchise went on.

    • @lemon8890
      @lemon8890 Рік тому +3

      @@marcust478 the reboot I mean Square Enix hired a awarded animated film studio to design all the cutscreens in that games that why it look so good.

    • @rerod
      @rerod Рік тому +9

      The "guy" with the pronouns problem should have been the one to get deleted.

  • @NotLotus_
    @NotLotus_ Рік тому +351

    The darkness has lost its darkness feel, like it’s evil gravity it had. Now it’s something not even worth fearing

    • @annoyingnessbeginswithme5698
      @annoyingnessbeginswithme5698 Рік тому +47

      I'd say gravity would be scarier than the witness

    • @marcust478
      @marcust478 Рік тому +39

      @@annoyingnessbeginswithme5698
      The Light!
      The Darkness!
      The Traveler!
      The Veil!
      The Witness!
      Soon...The Final Shape...where Bungo will introduce...
      THE GARDENER!

    • @annoyingnessbeginswithme5698
      @annoyingnessbeginswithme5698 Рік тому +20

      @@marcust478
      Every guardians final fear is not the witness but the architects, those mfs be making gravity hit different

    • @Dat_Jonx
      @Dat_Jonx Рік тому

      @@marcust478The Gardener, an evil entity that slept for thousands years in Black Garden has finally awaken.

    • @robosing225
      @robosing225 Рік тому +6

      @@marcust478 The _The_ The!

  • @DrNotnert
    @DrNotnert Рік тому +536

    It's such a classic Bungie move to go from making a great expansion with a fantastic story in Witch Queen, to delivering a mediocre expansion with possibly the worst story Destiny has ever seen in Lightfall. Well done, Bunghole

    • @imagoloop4819
      @imagoloop4819 Рік тому +42

      Bunghole😂😂😂😂

    • @deco4091
      @deco4091 Рік тому +1

      a bit of a stretch. witch queen set a bar too high for lightfall, that's y u think it's the worst, but if u think about it, even forsaken and rise of iron had less storytelling than lightfall. most of the campaigns in destiny were worse than lightfall, so i don't blame them too much. but it sucks that they didn't expplain what the veil was and that it seemed more like a strand campaign than it did an actual war/conflict. witch queen's stakes felt much higher but at least lightfall was very FUN gameplay wise

    • @Shark-Fist
      @Shark-Fist Рік тому +66

      @@deco4091 While Forsaken may have had less storytelling overall, I'd argue its story's low-points were still better than Lightfall's high-points. More doesn't equal better

    • @yourewrong9028
      @yourewrong9028 Рік тому +36

      @@Shark-FistI would actually say that the fact that Lightfall had so much storytelling was what exposed how bad it was. Because like, honestly, most Destiny stories aren’t good, or are decent at best. Witch Queen was a huge exception. But Lightfall like, had a lot of ATTEMPTS at story, and they almost all fell flat. A lot of mediocre story feels worse than a small mediocre story.

    • @Vanished584
      @Vanished584 Рік тому +7

      WoW Retail: "First time?"

  • @bradhackworth5109
    @bradhackworth5109 Рік тому +42

    The best thing about IHE is that he's been talking about basically the same thing since D1 Vanilla, and much of what the Destiny community has been talking about lately is exactly what these videos are about. I can't wait for (hopefully) The Final Shape video.

  • @Dr.Indalecio
    @Dr.Indalecio Рік тому +880

    "... fill the city with moth monsters"
    Never change, IHE. Never change

    • @ltraltier6009
      @ltraltier6009 Рік тому +16

      They gave us a moth gun instead.

    • @comrademartinofrappuccino
      @comrademartinofrappuccino Рік тому +9

      Mods can do that, when the DRM gets bypassed and a singleplayer build is possible

    • @Zach-qo1on
      @Zach-qo1on 10 місяців тому +6

      concept art this game is just massive miss potential

  • @jesuschrist7833
    @jesuschrist7833 Рік тому +115

    You know what would’ve been sick? Is that instead of Rohan dying, Nimbus dies. It would be how even fresh recruits can still die in battle, and that war will always be cruel no matter where you go.

    • @IndoorSitup
      @IndoorSitup Рік тому +57

      i agree and the best part is that nimbus dies

    • @JeanMarceaux
      @JeanMarceaux 10 місяців тому +5

      Rohan dies but Josuke just fixes him up again and they go back to tracking down that wacky pink cat
      wait wrong Rohan

  • @broguy3540
    @broguy3540 Рік тому +232

    My man boiled down my main issue with Destiny (the heavy over reliance on rng) into one sentence
    "Destiny isn't meant to be fun. It's meant to be played. A lot."
    I love IHE

    • @robosing225
      @robosing225 Рік тому +4

      same and agreed.

    • @sawdust8691
      @sawdust8691 Рік тому +12

      Yep, that's its design.
      That's also why I just uninstalled it a week ago and am not going back.
      The game isn't made to be a satisfying experience or product. It's built to string you along forever, being just good enough to keep you coming back, but never good enough to actually be good.
      So I decided I'm done.

    • @jam227
      @jam227 Рік тому +2

      its always been that to some degree even in the good periods you still had the shit you were grinding daily/weekly

    • @jackburkel4119
      @jackburkel4119 Рік тому

      Brother if there wasn't rng you would get about 100 hours of game time from this game, rng is what makes it good you pleb

    • @SaladDongs
      @SaladDongs Рік тому

      Uhm actually those are two sentences and an incomplete one!

  • @AurelieAris
    @AurelieAris Рік тому +30

    I had this massive copium theory that inside the Traveler would be all lightbearers who died but in their prime state, so all Lucent hive we killed could be made into graceful moth people again as a final faction, but that kinda got thrown out the window since Cayde is still a robot, rip

    • @Ram-lo1ji
      @Ram-lo1ji 8 місяців тому

      Yeah but guardian Cayde was always an exo. That’s his “perfect” form. Exo bounty hunter pre collapse Cayde is gone. Two separate people and lives.

  • @lukapitkanen3333
    @lukapitkanen3333 Рік тому +272

    The fact that they changed their motto from ”we make games that we want to play” to ”we create worlds that inspire friendship” tells you everything.

    • @weskingtime6087
      @weskingtime6087 Рік тому +2

      whats wrong with the second motto? What's wrong with love and equality?

    • @chalibard3826
      @chalibard3826 Рік тому +152

      ​@@weskingtime6087it's vague feels good bullshit, as much as any "love" and "equality" promised by a for profit corporation. The first motto was basically producing a product they would themselves consume, practical and grounded.
      The new motto is a random thought from an intern in marketing.

    • @weskingtime6087
      @weskingtime6087 Рік тому +5

      @@chalibard3826 acting as though a motto means anything, blizzard literally had a motto for equality during sexual harassment scandals

    • @lukapitkanen3333
      @lukapitkanen3333 Рік тому +65

      @@weskingtime6087 nothing against love and equality or whatever. The current motto is vague and sounds like they just wanted to move away from a motto that described labor of love. Can’t be held accountable for anti-consumer practices when the goal is not to make great games, just products that make money.

    • @chalibard3826
      @chalibard3826 Рік тому +41

      @@weskingtime6087 if you happen to watch any footage and interview of the bungie veterans from the Halo era, it's clear that was more of a project management rule than a meaningless slogan.
      Now even if you don't believe in motto, they do because they cared enough to change it.

  • @a_lost_one
    @a_lost_one Рік тому +306

    I have never played a single second of any Destiny game, but I absolutely love all of IHE's Destiny videos.

    • @mckenziemelody7258
      @mckenziemelody7258 Рік тому +15

      lucky i finally quit before which queen shit

    • @dignelberrt
      @dignelberrt Рік тому +8

      ​@@mckenziemelody7258witch queen was a good expansion though

    • @cwj2733
      @cwj2733 Рік тому +2

      @@mckenziemelody7258witch queen was good, lightfall is shit

    • @somedogsarecops2354
      @somedogsarecops2354 Рік тому +28

      @@dignelberrt No it wasn't, only people who have Destiny brain rot think Witch Queen was good. It was a 5/10 at best but by Destiny standards it was a 9/10.

    • @dignelberrt
      @dignelberrt Рік тому +6

      @@somedogsarecops2354 I never said it was amazing, but it was a good story that started off a little weak but got better as it continued. I'd say it's a 7/10, above average but not significantly. Keep in mind I'm just talking about the story missions of it, not the post-story gameplay loop.

  • @falloutnewvegasboy
    @falloutnewvegasboy Рік тому +152

    Seeing that this is what Bungie turned into, there was literally 0 hope for Halo in either their hands, or 343's

    • @elinfini
      @elinfini Рік тому +50

      It's like Bungie (the original one) truly died when it was split in two.
      With both remaining halves being mockeries of what it used to be.

    • @waterbottle6644
      @waterbottle6644 Рік тому +18

      They need to give me a chance, I can save Halo. Trust me

    • @ChloeCal
      @ChloeCal Рік тому +16

      ​@@waterbottle6644I believe in you

    • @mc-ps-playa5569
      @mc-ps-playa5569 Рік тому

      @@waterbottle6644Not like you can fuck it up any harder…

    • @dominikdoom
      @dominikdoom Рік тому +12

      @@waterbottle6644 Honestly, a lot of fans could probably direct better game decisions than AAA companies at this point. Just look at the amount of innovation most indie games still have to offer, they need to be good and interesting to get noticed. But the issue, as was nicely illustrated by the GDC talk, is that it is way easier to milk an established fan base for their copium money than to actually make a good game.

  • @MissGreenTeaLady
    @MissGreenTeaLady 3 місяці тому +6

    You know the best part? That cutscene in the seasonal content? I don't even think you can play it anymore because they remove seasonal content after a while. Therefore removing the explanation for the Veil and the Witness.

  • @GUNDAMURX73
    @GUNDAMURX73 Рік тому +178

    So wait... if the people of the city live as digitized copies of themselves, why is it neon'd out in the real physical world? It kind of feels like the visual aesthetic of the physical city should have been saved for a journey into the digital world, to show the nostalgic decadence that the digital people live in. Actually, that would have been pretty neat to add in-- a digital utopia, disconnected from the ruined reality of the Destiny world and the danger it's currently in.

    • @jlr1357
      @jlr1357 Рік тому +40

      They usually are in physical form around the city, but they went on lockdown mode, putting themselves on cryo-tanks and connecting to the net when the Cabal attackaed. Of course all of this is sparsely mentioned in random patroll dialogue and lore pages, because Destiny can't have good things.

    • @kosmokat111
      @kosmokat111 Рік тому +5

      also, if they're all digitized and can manifest in physical bodies, would the random sacrifice scene even matter? shouldn't he be in zero danger lmao?

    • @jlr1357
      @jlr1357 Рік тому +9

      @@kosmokat111, no, the Cloudstriders are cyborgs snd that's their real body, they don't get in the simulation for safety because they are the ones who have to defend the server. But the sacrifice was kinda meaningless tho, the human body can't take that many upgrades, so the Cloudstriders only live 10 years in duty before a system colapse, and Rohan was one for like 9'5 years.

    • @kyle857
      @kyle857 Рік тому +11

      ​@@jlr1357 All so they didn't have to create civilian models and have them doing things. Destiny always felt empty when I played OG like 8 years ago. I guess that never changed.

    • @jlr1357
      @jlr1357 Рік тому +4

      @@kyle857, yeah, it usually feels empty because most destinations are post apocalyptic, but when they had to do a real populated city they backed up and used the matrix card to just put random holograms

  • @baddragonite
    @baddragonite Рік тому +22

    It's simple as to why Bungie didn't explain the Veil
    They didn't have time to explain why they didn't have time to explain

  • @Chaogod1233
    @Chaogod1233 Рік тому +179

    My favorite part of all this is how Bungie fans thought the bad guy was Activision (which they are a shit company) but turned out to be Bungie all along.

    • @Traxiconn
      @Traxiconn Рік тому +22

      IDK man, I think a sub-par video game is a lot better than sexually abusing women.

    • @elinfini
      @elinfini Рік тому +20

      Maybe Activision "infected" Bungie with their BS practices.
      But yeah, Bungie is a lost cause at this point.

    • @PSYMEDIC
      @PSYMEDIC Рік тому +8

      @@Traxiconn Agree, the difference however is that one is a legal issue within the company between employers and employees and the other an issue directly effecting the consumer. So you can bet you ass what is more important to the mindless money bringing sheep that a consumer is.

    • @nomadhomad3685
      @nomadhomad3685 Рік тому +1

      I same Bungie I looked forward to hearing from 2003-2010...
      Another great thing lost to greed.

    • @elitetripod4188
      @elitetripod4188 Рік тому +21

      @@Traxiconn Yet gamers still bought Overwatch, Call of Duty and Diablo without hesitation. Sends a pretty good message doesn't it

  • @isxuros753
    @isxuros753 Рік тому +19

    "A mess and a slap in the face that the community should not forgive them for."
    This is exactly what needs to happen. The community needs to stop buying and playing the garbage just hoping it will get better. There are only a handful of games I truly regret spending money and time on, but D2 is at the very top of the list. Not another hour or penny. Just wish I had taken off the Halo days nostalgia goggles sooner and realized Bungie is a shell of the studio they once were.

  • @TOONYBOY
    @TOONYBOY Рік тому +85

    "The stakes are the highest they've ever been"
    They're the same that they've always been in every DLC and every Season. We lose, Humanity + Traveler dies + everyone else who can't stop the Darkness and every other exterminator race

  • @evilparadigm
    @evilparadigm Рік тому +186

    Why couldn't the corpses of the Witness planet be the enemy faction? They could have all had advanced Light wielding powers, because of their time with the Traveler, but been mindless rotting contorted flesh animated by the Witness themselves.

    • @god4143
      @god4143 Рік тому +44

      Because bungue are unoriginal and giving cabal a new skin is cheaper and easier.

    • @werwolfnate
      @werwolfnate Рік тому +20

      Maybe not even mindless, since the witness is the amalgamated consciousness of those corpses, you could go a step further and have each body sort of remotely controlled by the original person that is now part of the witness. It would have opened up having a new faction AND had story opportunities for exploring different facets of the witness while still having an "I am legion" type character.

    • @dragonmaster1360
      @dragonmaster1360 9 місяців тому +1

      @werewolfnate
      And heck, they could have gotten really fun with the gimmick, and made it so the more The Witness brought to bear against the Guardians, the less powerful it became. Each individual combatant the Witness controls means one less "consciousness" within the Witness. Making it a double edged sword for the Witness. The Guardians could launch simultaneous strikes at multiple Darkness ships, forcing the Witness to control more and more of their people at a time, thus weakening itself for our guardian to leap in and fight, one-on-one. Maybe even have the Cabal in their, providing soldiers for the collaborative strikes, under the command of Caiatl. Heck, maybe even have the Fallen temporarily join forces with the Guardians in a last ditch effort to save the Sol system, knowing that if the Last City and Earth fall, the Traveler is lost forever, and the Fallen are equally doomed.
      There was a LOT of potential in the Witness that Bungie ignored, cast aside, or didn't think of.

  • @sadpee7710
    @sadpee7710 Рік тому +555

    i really love the inclusion of the GDC talk, seems absolutely insane

    • @This-Was-Sparta
      @This-Was-Sparta Рік тому +114

      Right? I was kind of taken aback by how brazen it was. "We don't care about quality as long as we keep people playing by pumping out any old garbage at a fast enough rate."
      I suppose it was kind of obvious, but to see them be so up front about it...

    • @flameguy3416
      @flameguy3416 Рік тому +20

      All feedback is good feedback in their eyes. No feedback is when they start worrying.

    • @jordanreavis8163
      @jordanreavis8163 Рік тому +56

      the absolute worst part is that something like the GDC presentation exists, yet people still go after the developers. The GENERAL MANAGER himself said all that, but for some reason the community directs their malice towards the devs instead of the upper echelon of bungie

    • @samzilla567
      @samzilla567 Рік тому +39

      @@This-Was-Sparta THE GDC was simply stating the ugly truth behind the live service model. It's not about making a fun game, it's about keeping players chasing that carrot on a stick, knowing they'll never feel fulfilled because they will never, ever catch it.

    • @TimHawk.
      @TimHawk. Рік тому +4

      He's right though. People hate because they love something and want it to be better. Lets them know that they messed up but that players still like the game. When people stop hating, stop caring, that is when it's a real problem.

  • @grundged
    @grundged 8 місяців тому +13

    All these years and they never added a single new faction???? Glad I quit when I did so many years ago.

  • @yoshigottagun
    @yoshigottagun Рік тому +219

    The worst part about Calus as a villian is that he could've been so much better. The last 2 years have had him as a background villain with a lot of interesting lore and character traits being explored. Unfortunately none of this was shown in the campaign and instead he was reduced back to what he was in D2 vanilla, a boring, one dimensional, run of the mill "bad guy".

    • @stevescruby1343
      @stevescruby1343 Рік тому +17

      His boss battle was a huge disappointment as well. No mechanics to speak of - just blast him over and over and fend off adds. There isn’t anything wrong with a straightforward battle per se, but given the depth of this character’s background and his prominent role in the lore, I expected a more memorable showdown. What we got just felt rushed and thrown together. I couldn’t believe that Calus would just stand there and waddle around, allowing himself to get shot over and over without having some way to mitigate the damage or defend himself. The enemy I fought felt too dopey to be Calus.

    • @yoshigottagun
      @yoshigottagun Рік тому +9

      @stevescruby1343 Absolutely. I would've loved a callback to leviathan or at least some actual mechanic like we had with the Sava fight. He was just a big colossus...

    • @stevescruby1343
      @stevescruby1343 Рік тому

      @@yoshigottagun Yeah. At least give him some kind of Phalanx shield or ability to knock Guardians away. Something defensive that made him fight with some element of cunning or strategy, which would fit with the characterization we’ve been given regarding him for years. It’s just disappointing that his in-game representation has absolutely nothing remarkable about it.

    • @Gh0stGaminginc
      @Gh0stGaminginc Рік тому +1

      He was also the hardest boss I've fought in this game but the ghost says nothing. Yet in the Witch Queen, he constantly has to exclaim how strong and powerful she is, yet her boss fight was piss easy. I'm so tired with the obnoxious feminism in this game.

    • @MrSporkdude
      @MrSporkdude Рік тому +18

      @@Gh0stGaminginc bruh what are you on about lol

  • @PhantomHalf
    @PhantomHalf Рік тому +105

    “Your strand levels are increasing” give the same vibes of midichlorians

    • @Rifky809
      @Rifky809 Рік тому +6

      Truly the most strand-type experience

  • @qq1933
    @qq1933 Рік тому +44

    I like how when Ghost said "here goes nothing" he really mean it!

  • @Spink_Prime
    @Spink_Prime Місяць тому +6

    I will never get tired of IHE subtly expressing his ardent wish for Moth People and throwing shade every time he doesn't get them

  • @TheBattlesword
    @TheBattlesword Рік тому +160

    I pray that not only will the Final Shape be the final expansion, but that Yahtzee was right in his Fallout 76 review about how this overmonetized hell we're in is "only a phase" and gaming will finally be ok again soon

    • @LemonTheKing900
      @LemonTheKing900 Рік тому +19

      It have to be, sooner or later people are going to see through their bullshit and start demanding quality content instead of this, hopefully soon.

    • @Sojo214
      @Sojo214 Рік тому +18

      @@LemonTheKing900Whether people see through it or not doesnt matter all that much compared to the degree of struggle your average person is dealing with.
      Whether people won’t shell out for this content isn’t going to matter, because we’re gradually approaching the point where people CAN’T.
      The well is running dry whether people take their bucket home or not…

    • @I_am_a_cat_
      @I_am_a_cat_ Рік тому

      Why would it end? These scumbag companies are more profitable than ever before. It's not sustainable, at all... but they don't care. They just want as much money as possible, as fast as possible.
      Nothing is going to change. If anything, it'll only get worse.
      I just hope and pray that Fromsoft never goes down this road.

    • @budlikycz2445
      @budlikycz2445 Рік тому +2

      @@LemonTheKing900 doesnt look like its going to change at all. Take Destiny which is fucking their player base for 9 years now.

    • @roozki808
      @roozki808 Рік тому +1

      All it requires is for us gamers to boycott this bullshit gaming industry until these money greedy idiots get booted/go bankrupt and actually start respecting customers again, instead of just allowing them to suck our wallets dry because we continue buying.

  • @indigenoussober407
    @indigenoussober407 Рік тому +403

    Witch Queen actually felt like meaningful progression in the game. Both the in game story and mechanics felt like they had progressed.
    Lightfall, felt like I handed Bungie $100

    • @stuv1996
      @stuv1996 Рік тому +28

      You did

    • @Largentina.
      @Largentina. Рік тому

      You did. And you've probably been handing them money for years now. Congratulations on having terrible taste.

    • @V3ntilator
      @V3ntilator Рік тому +19

      Why would you pay 100$? I'm still waiting for it to drop to 10$.

    • @minikilla3568
      @minikilla3568 Рік тому +11

      All I can say is hahahaha and man im sorry for your loss lmao

    • @512TheWolf512
      @512TheWolf512 Рік тому +12

      Vaas truly taught you nothing at all. Well I'm not sorry for you. Nobody forced you to throw away your money

  • @velraven8944
    @velraven8944 Рік тому +151

    Destiny as a whole is a great example of why brand loyalty isn't a good thing. Old guard's move on or get fired, the ones left aren't always the ones who knew what they were doing in the first place, and the new recruits can only be as good as the people in charge of hiring them. Bungie is dead, we have Bungo now.

    • @stevescruby1343
      @stevescruby1343 Рік тому +15

      I think creator loyalty or artist loyalty is better than brand loyalty. I enjoy Hideo Kojima’s projects no matter if they were published by Konami or not. Kojima’s Metal Gear games were great but the ones with which he was not involved are not interesting to me in the slightest.

    • @nonixus661
      @nonixus661 Рік тому

      no one is loyal to this game

    • @velraven8944
      @velraven8944 Рік тому +5

      @@nonixus661 Buddy tell that to the people with 4k+ hours

    • @nonixus661
      @nonixus661 Рік тому

      @@velraven8944 "Buddy" really tried a gotcha moment for what? if you have played since released and have done everything or close to everything you could reach that.

    • @pododododoehoh3550
      @pododododoehoh3550 Рік тому +2

      ​@@stevescruby1343Agreed Marty O'Donnel is my all-time favourite media composer, followed by Mr Salvatori who since their forced split has done an impressive job of keeping the score consistent and fresh.

  • @ickystickyglizzy
    @ickystickyglizzy 28 днів тому +14

    If you dont bring out the Destiny 2: The Final Shape video, I will make a IHE parody channel. You have been warned.

  • @sawdust8691
    @sawdust8691 Рік тому +114

    I recently uninstalled this game.
    Let's be real.
    It's a bit hard to drop something you've put a lot of time and money in, and probably still like aspects of.
    I've always come back to the game for big expansions.
    Never really bothered with the seasons or grinding after I burned myself out during Forsaken.
    But always came back, because I like the core game.
    Gameplay is amazing, the art direction is amazing, the music is amazing, and the univeres its set in is amazing.
    But after Lightfall, I came to terms with something I already knew.
    This game just isn't worth it.
    The good narrative I'm craving within this fantastic universe just isn't there.
    They keep charging more for poor content and are just straight up predatory now.
    The biggest reason for dropping it is that the game just isn't designed to provide what I want from it. A good peice of media.
    It's not good. It's designed to be good enough to string you along forever, never giving the satisfaction it dangles in front of you, both gameplay and narrative wise.
    So you know what? I'm done. Screw that. There are so so many better forms of media out there more deserving of my time and money.
    I still like Destiny for the things it's great at. But I'm never going back to it.

    • @wynnGG
      @wynnGG Рік тому +11

      I feel the exact same way bud. The battle pass was turning into a job for me, coupled with the artificial padding of the story every week for really poor content was the final straw. Ive played every expac and season and I am also never going back. If they do decide to finish the witness arc i will watch it on youtube

    • @Summerstitch539
      @Summerstitch539 Рік тому +10

      You made the right choice. I wish more people would so bungie would finally make something worthwhile again. Until more do, they will milk it for all it’s recycled worth.

    • @alexA.7529
      @alexA.7529 Рік тому +2

      I get the feeling that a lot of people are like you as well, personally I'll evaluate things after The Final Shape, cause that's the end of the saga

    • @sawdust8691
      @sawdust8691 Рік тому +10

      @@alexA.7529 I thought about waiting for the Final Shape, since the story is so near its end.
      Then I figured, that's always what this game does. Still stringing along.
      I am interested in the ending, but I'll look into in on UA-cam after someone makes a good video on it. I think Destiny has enough of my time and money.
      Still, I do hope it goes out with a bang.

    • @tonichan89
      @tonichan89 Рік тому +6

      You genuinely broke out of the sunk-cost fallacy. It's for the best.

  • @mr_ekshun
    @mr_ekshun Рік тому +176

    What's crazy is that I feel like you actually haven't quite captured just how bad all this was... Through no fault of your own, really. This whole situation is so bad, so far-reaching, and so messy that it's impossible to actually capture in a single video.
    As one of those "hardcore" players who has invested thousands of hours and hundreds of dollars across the expansions, it took me a while to get to this point but... I finally uninstalled this game as a symbol that I'm taking a break, which gave me the space and time to decide that I'm not coming back to this game. No matter what they show in the showcase for The Final Shape, I'm not buying it. I was about to write what it would take to bring me back, but I caught myself. Nothing really can. Lightfall wasn't the only thing that pushed me to leave, but it was the singular, massive final blow that was required to overcome my sunk cost fallacy. There's no amount of copium that could delude me anymore.

    • @mr_ekshun
      @mr_ekshun Рік тому +21

      (not to mention all the hours spent listening to almost all of Byf's lore videos over the past 3-4 years. Also, I'm a PvE-only player, and the PvP players have had it many times worse for years now.)

    • @janefkrbtt
      @janefkrbtt Рік тому +10

      refreshing to see someone so emotionally honest abt something like this. I was able to get out after the f2p transition but I felt the exact same way at the time. destiny bums me out so much.

    • @hellaboveme500
      @hellaboveme500 Рік тому +4

      Same here mate. Deleted just a few days ago , and it feels nice.

    • @darthgorthaur258
      @darthgorthaur258 Рік тому +2

      I'd like you to come back an update us when it does come out if you did completely stay away or if you just popped it put for a sec to go thru once an see what's what.

    • @Milk-vw1cv
      @Milk-vw1cv Рік тому +1

      Stopped playing right before lightfall and I'm never coming back after 7000 hours. Bungie are up there with the worst game devs in the business and they genuinely feel like a tryannical government, they take and they take and they give the bare minimum in return. Recently started playing D1 again and the game is genuinely superior and is only really beaten in performance (due to age) and other minor things such as the ability to bring up the directory or mantling.

  • @ysucae
    @ysucae Рік тому +182

    this reminds me.
    i'm in writing/art circles with people going for scifi, fantasy, and other such genres. i help by proofreading. i see a lot of cool stuff, but there's a wierd pattern i noticed:
    a LOT of nerdy intellectual dudes, and by a lot i mean ALL OF THEM SO FAR, go for very high concept philosophical stuff, they spend hours finding the perfect terms for their concepts, crafting super intricate phrases and drawings and music for them, and they hype their stuff so hard. and 100% of the time, IT IS A UNENDING CLUSTERFUCK full of very pretty words and pictures but nothing makes sense and hold up to scrutiny. nothing is explained because 'it's supposed to evoque itself' or some bullshit. the human elements are horrendous. it's like they have no self awareness of the fact people are not in their heads while reading their stuff. it is exhausting and soul crushing. worst of all, they think they're hot shit and there's nothing to change. most of it is straight up pulled from better works or 'heavily inspired'.
    the shitty story beats you just described is painfully similar to every. single. one. of those works. it just clicked that maybe those dudes only consume those kind of mainstream videogames/comics/books as their main inspiration. maybe they genuinely think if a AAA game dev do this shit it's good. maybe they really don't see how the fracturation of artforms for the purpose of slowly feeding it to the masses for huge profits distorts the whole and makes it weak. anyway i got burned out, i stopped responding to their emails lol
    also like 80$ for this shit? straight up robbery

    • @zaguitoblackbeard
      @zaguitoblackbeard Рік тому +14

      You are not alone in this. Thanks for sharing your story, geeky types are always so social awkward that they don't know the first thing about drama and actual world building.

    • @crediblesalamander8056
      @crediblesalamander8056 Рік тому +32

      This is what happens when people think themes and vibes are all you need because they make your story "deep" and "meaningful", while forgetting that novels and philosophy textbooks are two different things for a reason.

    • @UshankaMaster
      @UshankaMaster Рік тому +23

      "maybe those dudes only consume those kind of mainstream videogames/comics/books as their main inspiration" this is exactly what's happening to plots of 99% of a lot of films, anime etc. coming out in the recent years

    • @crediblesalamander8056
      @crediblesalamander8056 Рік тому +14

      @@UshankaMaster this 100%, the most influential and groundbreaking works in any field are almost always at least partially inspired by something completely unrelated.

    • @arsarma1808
      @arsarma1808 Рік тому +16

      To paraphrase Steve Shives "Why would I call it Gre'thor when Klingon Hell makes more sense and is funnier?"

  • @TLP607
    @TLP607 3 місяці тому +15

    Where’s the I hate final shape video?

    • @markkuuss
      @markkuuss 3 місяці тому +10

      yeah waiting for that too.

  • @Thuperdude2
    @Thuperdude2 Рік тому +110

    I wanted a dark and brutal end time styled lightfall, with my hive magic to go with my thorn and osteo striga. Instead we got, whatever that was.

    • @nialltealeaf275
      @nialltealeaf275 Рік тому +5

      It's kinda tragic when you realize Diablo IV is more grimdark than Lightfall could ever be, even if both are cringe.

  • @Punkertoon
    @Punkertoon Рік тому +32

    I remember watching the vidoc and thinking, “Why are they devoting time to highlighting an arcade and a pond?”
    I thought it was a signal that there isn’t much to be expected in the campaign.

  • @knavenformed9436
    @knavenformed9436 Рік тому +82

    So once again the explanation for something remotely new is "traveler came they prospered then it left and boohoo"
    Can't wait to hear the story once again next expansion.

    • @xXx_Regulus_xXx
      @xXx_Regulus_xXx Рік тому +16

      the Traveler is a generous yet flighty broad and aliens are big mad humanity is her current main squeeze.

    • @systamatica
      @systamatica Рік тому +7

      the witness is literally just the anti spiral from Gurren Lagann and I cannot believe I waited years to find out information on the darkness just for the big bad to be something I watched in 2007

    • @Jerry-dx3cb
      @Jerry-dx3cb Рік тому +1

      @@systamatica I still like it enough tbh. Everything has been done before in one form or another.

    • @Lardo137
      @Lardo137 Рік тому

      ​@@xXx_Regulus_xXxWhat's hilarious is that half the fandom has been gaslit into drinking the Darkness kool-aid and blame the Traveler for every single problem in the story when it's literally the only reason any of them exist, let alone survive.
      The Traveler eliminated the vast majority of diseases, more than tripled the human lifespan, created an abundance of natural resources ending global conflict, terraformed multiple planets into human-friendly conditions, allowed the humans to study it and take samples (leading to massive technological advances), and after being beaten into a coma, cut off her fingers and hands to turn fallen humans into space-magic demigods who can kill gods.
      The Traveler is like a sweet grandma who spent all her retirement savings helping y'all out, who has the entire Mafia after her butt. And sure she might have a loaded gun under her pillow but she sure as fuck can't solve her kids' problems from her hospital bed after her knees gave out, a giant naked mole rat stole her meds, and she spent the last few bullets taking out some mob goons sent by her ex-wife. Now she's trying to befriend the moth trying to eat her clothes and her kids are freaking out.

  • @satevo462
    @satevo462 Рік тому +25

    I don't even play the game anymore but one look at Nimbus made my irrationally angry. It's like they tried to create the anti-Cadye-6.

    • @Soniti1324
      @Soniti1324 7 місяців тому

      They had to find a way to shoe-horn the alphabet people in.
      And so Osiris and Saint-14 become gay, and we get two tr00ns as the main points of contact in this expansion.
      The entire expansion was fabricated from what should have been Lightfall solely to check DEI boxes, and it fucking _shows._

  • @Khalum
    @Khalum Рік тому +23

    I love how the general manager said they want to focus on speed, and literally nothing has changed.
    They still take 3-6 months to fix or adjust something. The only thing they're fast at is disabling weapons and armour when they're broken and not fixing it until weeks later.

  • @jonnyscoutgames
    @jonnyscoutgames Рік тому +82

    little thing probably not worth mentioning, the explosion sound when Rohan shoots the barrels and blows up the Tormentor is literally the rpg firing sound from Gmod...

    • @thor1829
      @thor1829 Рік тому +3

      It's probably a stock sound effect.

    • @executioner_ecgbert884
      @executioner_ecgbert884 Рік тому +16

      ​@@thor1829Inserts willhelm scream as the traveler flies away

    • @Minisoderr
      @Minisoderr Рік тому +2

      Which itself came from Half Life 2

    • @Rifky809
      @Rifky809 Рік тому +1

      bungie cutting corners I guess

  • @montregloe
    @montregloe Рік тому +33

    I think bungie's commitment to never having our characters DO anything (push buttons, climb into droppods, pull levers) in first person has hurt its player feeling like they matter in the world more than they think

  • @BlackTearDrop
    @BlackTearDrop Рік тому +31

    My biggest upset about this is that the scene when Osiris instinctivly reaches out for Sagira is genuinly heartbreaking and considering how single minded and tunnel visioned he was being throughout the campaign it would have been great to explore that more. Especially since his grief over Sagira and his lightless state has never truly been explored.
    Unfortunately no one talks about it and the campaign overshadowd that small plot thread of Osiris coming to terms with himself.

    • @I_am_a_cat_
      @I_am_a_cat_ Рік тому +3

      That's because Osiris SUCKS as a character, and no one cares.

  • @MachoChoncho
    @MachoChoncho Рік тому +75

    The saddest thing about this “saga” ending is that we probably won’t be getting videos like these anymore 😭

    • @ramheader4635
      @ramheader4635 Рік тому +7

      at least we'll get one more for The Final Shape

  • @webzentertainment
    @webzentertainment Рік тому +428

    In my opinion Bungie has become the worst company in the gaming industry, not even Activision is as greedy and intentionally manipulative as they are. Players are quite literally brainwashed into paying more, expecting less, and white knighting for the company whenever they make garbage decisions.

    • @monalisa-bs4zs
      @monalisa-bs4zs Рік тому +63

      It’s funny how actiblizzard and bungee are similar in style. Always look shiny but ultimately extremely vapid and simple for the off chance a monkey get their hands on their game.

    • @B-rex395
      @B-rex395 Рік тому +52

      Agreed. This isn’t the same Bungie that made the original Halo trilogy, ODST, and Reach. They’ve become rotten to the core.

    • @-smellerbee-
      @-smellerbee- Рік тому +4

      Well to be fair, there are many companies that also support this love service model and equally care more for their profits than the sanctity of the game itself

    • @ollymea2775
      @ollymea2775 Рік тому +2

      oh i got a suprise for you , you need to know about wildcard well snail games

    • @drakonlegend4452
      @drakonlegend4452 Рік тому +17

      EA still launches the SAME GAME every year….

  • @lhei_tayuun
    @lhei_tayuun Рік тому +56

    "Explain the proper nouns, please" is probably the most succinct critique of Destiny's writing that I've ever heard.

    • @papayer
      @papayer Рік тому +5

      I personally prefer 'What...? What is it?!?' and 'What is happening?' both work just as well. You know you've got some phenomenal storytelling skills when your player has no idea what the hell is even going on.

    • @lhei_tayuun
      @lhei_tayuun Рік тому +3

      Honestly, my head canon during my brief dalliance with Destiny 2 was t that no one had any idea what was going on. All of the characters were just as ignorant of everything as I was, and they were just responding to bullshit with bullshit.
      Every guardian, every npc, clueless. Floaty orb did necromancy on them, and they wake up and OMG ALIENS. That Speaker asshole? First noob resurrected ask him what's up and he just went with it and faked his way into the life he lives now. The Vanguard? Zero idea what anything even is, probably woke up 15 minutes before the player characters and just made themselves look in charge/important.
      No one knows what's going on, everyone is just making it up as they go, afraid to admit they're just as confused as I am. What's the Traveler? "" Ooooooooh. I getcha. *exaggerated wink*.

  • @homefront1999
    @homefront1999 Рік тому +13

    I truly think the idea of finding a lost Human colony could be amazing. Even if it's something like " They're all in a Matrix setting" Where few know what's happening in reality. While the rest of the colony believes everything is fine before the collapse. So when you arrive you are able to enter the colony, eventually being able to access the digital world and see what life was like before the collapse. Maybe give in clues as to what your character was like or did before they originally died. Maybe you can have the option of uprooting everyone from the simulation back into their original bodies ( Probably of been frozen) or let them sleep in blissful ignorance.

    • @ValentinoMarino11
      @ValentinoMarino11 11 місяців тому +1

      That’s a cool and creative idea! But cool and creative ideas aren’t exactly Bungie’s forte.

  • @hydracool3542
    @hydracool3542 Рік тому +128

    your destiny vids genuinely helped me strengthen a friendship because everytime you drop one i message my destiny playing friend saying "so seems pretty rough right now huh?" thank you for your work

    • @nickthompson1812
      @nickthompson1812 Рік тому +15

      I bet your friend loves that and definitely reciprocates the strengthening of your friendship

    • @hydracool3542
      @hydracool3542 Рік тому +3

      @@nickthompson1812 thankfully my friend can take a light hearted joke. if they were more invested emotionally in the game, you're right, i probably wouldn't make that joke to them. but like many long term destiny players like IHE, they are aware of the games many problems and are able to joke about them

  • @chrissketches4357
    @chrissketches4357 Рік тому +51

    Having an essential story cutscene locked behind a seasonal expansion…for $12…is peak Destiny experience.

  • @Clashuchan
    @Clashuchan Рік тому +159

    Watching this series across the years has been really fascinating and entertaining. I'm not a Destiny player or any Bungie game for that matter, but I've always been interested in what's going on in the gaming world and seeing you document Destiny like this has been a source of a lot of good insight into yet another studio that used to be one of greats, only to ultimately lose their way with greed and become completely out of touch. The final shape is no doubt going to be a fist with the middle finger sticking out of it.

    • @reffa2858
      @reffa2858 Рік тому +6

      I played Destiny 1 up to vault of glass and I peeped the games scheme since that point on. It didn't respect your time.
      I just dont realize why I jumped ship the moment I saw it sinking but everyone else stayed. The downfall though has been entertaining to watch.

    • @blank2819
      @blank2819 Рік тому +5

      As someone who’s played destiny 2 for 4 years and is very good at it and plays the shit out of its highest content and pvp content I will tell you this game is fun but it’s a disappointment everything he said is factual and it doesn’t take long they sell you a pipe dream and get Players addicted to because you will replay the same content over and over again for a gun they reintroduced into the game for the 8th times in a row and if you don’t have the newest one your gonna preform bad because they nerf the original ones you grind for just so you can play there game more

    • @11Survivor
      @11Survivor Рік тому +5

      @@blank2819 That is what psychiatrists call "a recurrent, clinical addiction".

  • @arlindkrasniqi3315
    @arlindkrasniqi3315 Рік тому +17

    i am so glad to see im not the only one who finds osiris so grating as a character.

  • @SorasShadow1
    @SorasShadow1 Рік тому +114

    the more i hear about destiny's monetization system the happier i am that these videos and some friends are the only ways i engage with Destiny

    • @margotpreston
      @margotpreston Рік тому +3

      Yeah, Destiny lore is super cool. But actually playing the games, not so much.

    • @DiceRobo
      @DiceRobo Рік тому

      It's crazy that it makes GTA online look nice in comparison, at least in that you can get anything in the game just by playing it. I mean half the cars cost $20 real life dollars but still.

  • @StickMaster500
    @StickMaster500 Рік тому +330

    Almost 1 year since the last video, I can confirm that I Hate Everything still hates everything. Never change.

    • @Kernwadi
      @Kernwadi Рік тому +13

      In Russia, if hand is rotten, you cut off hand. If arm is rotten, you cut off arm. But if heart is rotten... you cut off leg. This is Russian love song.

    • @Kernwadi
      @Kernwadi Рік тому +1

      Master of the 500 sticks...

    • @Elvis_Hogan
      @Elvis_Hogan Рік тому

      @@Kernwadi Russia sucks.
      Edit: Except the national anthem.

    • @tree48203
      @tree48203 Рік тому +4

      ​@@Kernwadiwtf does that have to do with Destiny 2 or IHE

    • @Kernwadi
      @Kernwadi Рік тому +8

      @@tree48203 Everything.

  • @williek08472
    @williek08472 Рік тому +25

    40:46
    "There's still a great deal we don't know: What is the Radial Mast capable of? How will it affect the Veil? And what is the Witness planning?"
    I don't even play Destiny and the sheer amount of mysterious proper nouns gave me a headache

    • @skorpion7132
      @skorpion7132 8 місяців тому +1

      The irony being that player still wonder what the traveler is, why/how ghosts exist and where all the enemy factions originated from. And here we are at the gate's end throwing in new stuff nobody knows what it is...

  • @extraaccountnh8883
    @extraaccountnh8883 5 місяців тому +5

    it's so sad seeing the genuinely genius and thoughtful and creative folks behind d2 being beaten down, fired, and abandoned by corporate. i love this game a lot and it's something my bf showed me and we bond over it together, he's a hardcore destiny lover for a long time now, but we definitely took a long break after lightfall. i wasn't so upset by it as others but goodness do i understand why others were.

  • @sir_rhino_uk8868
    @sir_rhino_uk8868 Рік тому +90

    A friend of mine always called the first expansion the "Turd of Osiris" and I think it's really fitting

  • @buddybrozy
    @buddybrozy Рік тому +108

    "greed always wins" and it's our fault. remember, it's our money they're after.

    • @BSBSDerivative
      @BSBSDerivative Рік тому

      Its not our fault

    • @killroy1117
      @killroy1117 Рік тому +2

      Shame the people who waste their money so frivolously.

  • @paragonrobbie9270
    @paragonrobbie9270 Рік тому +154

    28:55
    I respect and support IHE's drive to making Bungie put the moth people back into the game. That concept art was too good to just leave behind!

    • @CrimeFighterFrog
      @CrimeFighterFrog Рік тому +6

      I'm just as invested in these moth people at this point

  • @ErgoSum2603
    @ErgoSum2603 6 місяців тому +11

    Now with the final shape out, I can confidently say Lightfall literally was a filler expansion that was put together just for the sole purpose of making time, cutting content from both the Witch Queen and Final Shape to bridge the content gap. Such a mess

    • @jankjaws9815
      @jankjaws9815 6 місяців тому +1

      But the final shape has honesty been a blast playing through

    • @riddell26
      @riddell26 6 місяців тому +1

      ​@@jankjaws9815you're right. But it wasnt worth $60

    • @realname4430
      @realname4430 6 місяців тому +3

      ​@@riddell26 hmmm idk, I'm quite happy with it for 40 pounds. Campaign was a blast with good encounter design, raid is awesome.
      Loot rewards feel relevant outside of just the endgame stuff like the vendor weapons. Excision was a genuine spectacle. And exotic missions have actually felt special.

    • @heckingbamboozled8097
      @heckingbamboozled8097 5 місяців тому

      @@realname4430 Keep eating that slop

    • @realname4430
      @realname4430 5 місяців тому

      @@heckingbamboozled8097 it's better than the slop your mum gave me