What You’re Doing Here Is Unethical, It's Immoral, I’ll Fight It
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- Star Trek · The Next Generation · s04e21 · The Drumhead
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"I haven't seen a family members in years. I have no friends. I have a mission"
Yeah sure okay that definitely sounds like a healthy human being who has passed their psych tests.
The quiet part she didn't say: "...and I'm taking it out on the rest of YOU ingrates!"
Quite obviously her biggest problem was the lack of the pounding her poon was yearning for.
@@perturabo420 If only Riker had intervened
@@SoulHorizon1313 He didn't want to stand up to one of his superiors.
@@perturabo420 I think she was retired in this episode, so technically she was not his superior she was under the supervision of the head of Starfleet Security(basically the Admiral of the yellow shirts).
Captain, this "Admiral" is exhibiting Dolores Umbridge levels of "stab me with a pen".
Dressed like a Withc
Taps on padd and hand starts scaring
Pen nothing, get me a pitchfork.
I thought it was Admiral Holdo. She's too good for a uniform, so she wears a gaudy dress
No you don’t use a pen. You throw her out the damn airlock.
one of the best episodes. It shows how easy it is to fall into the traps of paranoia and suspicions. It's good that the Enterprise had someone like Picard to help people see the truth.
Is this episode based on the paranoia of soviet spies in the US in the 1950's and 60's? Seems like it.
@@NichoTBE Most likely, but it fits the bill of every "witch hunt" throughout history.
They should've re-did this episode yrs ago, this time having Picard say: "Security report to my ready room on the double - throw this B*tch in the Brigg!" : D
@Michael David Caprarella or the immigrant invasion or any number of right wing bs that comes out of fox news and oan
@@NichoTBE I’m an older guy. This smacks of the McCarthy era inquisitions.
Satie's assistant: 'You are to be questioned before the committee.'
Picard: 'Oh. Well, that's... unusual.'
Satie's assistant: 'The questioning?'
Picard: 'No, the fact that Admiral Satie opted to dig her own grave.'
Damn gotta prepare a bomb ass speech for tomorrow
-Jean luc Picard
He had the speech locked and loaded the moment she left his ready room.
@@ReaverLordTonus Yep, Picard was waiting to be summoned so he can do the most epic mic drop ever seen in Starfleet history in front of everyone.
So she has chosen death
To accuse Jean-Luc Picard of treason....... that takes beans. *BIG* beans.
LOTS of beans, lots of beans, yeah yeah!
Then she lost her shit when she found out his beans were MUCH bigger than her's! 😂
Captain Kirk was my hero. Jean Luc Picard was my legend.
@Aggressive Attitude Era fancy meeting you here. I love it when you speak your mind on The Ring of Fire.
That Admiral reminds me of Trump with her evil attitude.
When it comes to battle, war, strategy, intimidation, and/or conduct, you don't fuck with Sisko.
When it comes to political, ethical, moral, and/or intellectual, you don't fuck with Picard.
I mean Picard was also known for is his tactical prowess, throughout the federation and respected by the Klingons for it. Well Klingons who had half a brain to do so.
What about kirk and Janeway
@@kentrellmitchell966 if you turn up to some distant colony planet and you intend to claim it for your empire by some clever chicanery or fistfighting a guy in some sand, and you hear Kirk's just arrived - don't bother trying. Just go home.
@@elderjoe1 Kirk takes a losing situation and does whatever it takes to turn that around.
Janeway does whatever it takes to protect her crew
Sisko is a lesser man
Satie: "How can you be so incredibly naive?"
Also Satie: Immediately tells story how she's cut herself off from humanity to be engrossed in work designed to uphold her own idealistic view of The Federation, something which only the most naive and (out-of-touch) would think is an untarnished universal entity
This particular scene is fantastic at integrated reasonable means for Satie's downfall, even though we're only introduced to her at the beginning of the episode. Take notes, friends; this is how get a rich story and rousing performance from one-off characters in episodic television.
DS9 really took the stance that the Federation was far from perfect (the Maquis, Section 31). Good for her she never ended up on THAT space station. Her whole worldview would have been shattered.
@@austinboylan5476 Imagine her in the same room as Garak.
@@TheEndKing The man's very presence would've sent this woman into the highest levels of insanity and ended with her in an insane asylum, assuming those still exist in this time.
This is why humans evolved to be a communal species. We do not operate well in isolation, and nobody ever has all the answers.
its funny how people that ask others how naive they are in this way, are very often incredibly naive themselves
Imagine how much damage she did to the Federation’s ability to investigate espionage, sabotage, and other such plots? After all, there HAD been such plots in the course of the show; there had been parasitic mind-controlling aliens, there had been a Romulan agent posing as a Vulcan who managed to work her way up the chain until she could be ambassador to the Romulans, etc. and so forth.
All of those things needed investigating, but this woman’s excess of zeal damaged that by damaging the credibility of such investigations.
It is my understanding that, in real life, such investigations are kept non-public precisely to ensure that once the actual trial commences (and the proceedings become public), their credibility is unaffected.
@@costinmicu7721 - If they're criminal trials, yes; the investigation would be relatively quiet. If there's some sort of special investigator empowered by the federal government/Department of Defense/U.S. Navy/U.S./Army/Starfleet Headquarters/whoever, I expect it would unavoidably become known to at least some people.
Imagine how many of her past investigations they had to return to and revaluate. All those people that were possibly falsely accused and tried probably were given the right to appeal. The problem is, that probably amongst those were people who were actually guilty and were probably able to also appeal their sentence and get off
@@pinkfloppyass - If she violated the law when prosecuting, yes.
The parallels to Joe McCarthy should be obvious. There actually were communist conspirators seeking to infiltrate and overthrow the American government, but McCarthy's methods were so odious that he set back investigations of these conspiracies for a generation.
No friends, doesn't talk to her family, jumped at the chance to get back into persecution (I mean prosecution, silly me)... I can see why this well-adjusted, mentally-sound woman was an admiral in Starfleet.
Diversity hire.
@@davidalexander1177 Your joke might make some sense if it wasn't the year 2369 in the show. Kinda the wrong show to be watching if that's your mentality.
@@UnknownSquidWell apparently they still promote people for reasons other than their ability to perform their role well, otherwise this would not have happened. And you would be better suited to the 💩 that is Discovery if your mentality is as woke and weak as it seems.
@@davidalexander1177 Pfft, Discovery is horrible and an insult to Star Trek. But now you're just acting the mirror image of admiral Satie here, assuming that anyone that disagrees or contests you on something must clearly be your ideological enemy. TNG was by leaps and bounds THE most progressive show of it's generation. Fortunately it did things right in how it presented it's values, much unlike the regressive and morally antagonistic nonsense that discovery pulled.
As far as the admiral's position goes, self assured and manipulative people have always been able to climb ranks well in any organisation. The majority of CEOs of large companies are infamously high in psychopathic traits, for example. It's easy to see how someone like Satie could slip through and remain in power up until she picked a fight against someone strong enough to expose her true nature.
@@UnknownSquid Actually I was mirroring your stupidity in suggesting that you should choose another show for something that you said. It's actually pretty telling that you think *I* acted like this admiral when just returning your own behaviour.
And nobody said that Star Trek wasn't progressive. But there is a fine line between progressive and woke. Which you crossed when you got so offended and attempted to be morally superior.
But glad that you at least have the sense to agree that Discovery is an insult to Trek.
hasnt seen family members....and has no friends......GEEE I WONDER WHY
In the background I could hear family members and ex-friends muttering "And that's how it's going to STAY!!"
People will throw all personal relationships away for work and then be mad they have no personal relationships and take it out on everyone else
Yeah but that lack of human connection has rammafications.
However I do admire the zeal.
This is one of those episodes that stuck with me throughout my life. Helped me make decisions in my military career that kept me honorable and empathetic.
I'm sure everyone involved in this episode would be proud to hear that. That someone is able to be a better person because of the message they strove to get across in this episode.
Amazing dude.
That is the purpose of Star Trek.
Well done.
I highly doubt you were ever in any position were your moral behavior decided an outcome that would have otherwise been unavoidable.
@@freddykisback123 Don't care if you believe it or not, I got a pension, and this is what it cost me. I'm 38, I've got brain damage, major depressive disorder, PTSD, bilateral compression disorder which has me bed ridden most days. Got no friends, suicide and work place hassards go hand in hand with the infantry. I had a choice of killing a teenager in Afghanistan and I went against my training, that kid is alive today, my fireteam member at the time thought we made the right call. Some choices have lasting effects, and, all I can do is make decisions that allow me to look myself in the mirror. I really didn't want to think about this tonight, but, I'm not a liar, I'm an arsehole and a shitty husband but, I'm not a liar.
Brilliant writing. They humanized her -- gave her background as to why she became so hard and so driven to root out all perceived threats.
The sad thing is that she started with good intentions and likely did a good job for most of her career. But a lonely life with nothing to ground her lead her down a path of paranoia and pride in her own abilities.
@@Zikar
If she is a one star...she answers to a two star and so on. Everybody has a boss and her boss is negligent and her doctor is a bit negligent.
Adam
Another example of the god tier level of writing on this show. Proving again that CGI and ‘splosions will never make up for poor acting and dialogue.
Well said my friend. A good well thought out story will always beat graphics and loud bangs - shame that ratings and dollars overpower in 2021
Firefly is a beloved show because of the writing, not CGI. Booms and slposions appeal to younger minds and simpler minds, which is why they're so sppealing to the masses. But whether it's tv shows or movies or video games, it's the writing that puts things on top.
It's strange isn't it how a scene of two people having a well written, calm discussion is 1000x more riveting than the supposedly more exciting barrage of explosions and whoosh! BANG! BoooOooOoMmmmm!!! It bores the arse off me!
Society would benefit from making this episode mandatory viewing in high school
And Measure of a Man
@@benn454 Really TNG and DS9 generally, minus a few "dated" episodes
And the Sarek episode
SMTDDR
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. . . . The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged."
Watching TNG now as a 23 year old, it's hard to believe American television ever produced something this articulate and thoughtful. Picard and Data are two of my favorite characters of all time; I can't help but admire their confidence, self-awareness, and their argumentation.
1:40 I shudder to think what might've happened if she didn't let slip this vulnerability, if Picard didn't learn how to draw out her fanaticism in the trial.
He didn't need to. He's lived by those words from her father most of his life amd would unload it on anyone.
Even in the 24th century Karens still exist. All that was missing was demanding to see Picards manager.
She already did. The admiral
Amusingly enough, she used to *be* his manager. 😅
As mentioned in episode S7E25 'All Good Things,' it was Rear Adm. Satie who'd assigned Capt. Picard to take command of the Enterprise-D four years before her retirement from Starfleet and the events of S4E21 'The Drumhead.'
I do pity the Satie character, if only a little bit. She'd helped to reveal the bluegill parasite infiltration of Starfleet Command. She'd prioritized work over family, while being constantly on the move, during the final years of her career. Sadly, this had detrimental effects on her character, as was displayed in the episode.
The script for 'The Drumhead' was written by Jeri Taylor and Norah Satie was (excellently, IMHO) portrayed by veteran film star Jean Simmons. Simmons later voiced Grandma Sophie for the English dub of _Howl's Moving Castle._
She would have gotten hysterical in the first scene if Captain Sisko challenged her authority.
Nothing to do with the show, but this may give a chuckle or two. I had an unreasonable, self-centered "Karen" pull the "I want to see your manager!" card on me. You should have seen the look on her face when I told her, "I don't have a manager. I'm the owner." Priceless!!!
@@tdirtyatl Let's remember that it was Vice Adm. Henry (portrayed by Earl Billings) who effectively ended the investigation, by walking out and later withdrawing his support, once Satie's overreach was revealed. However, I take your point, even though I didn't feel a racist undertone from her character with regard to skin color. I'd concur that Satie (and perhaps her assistants as well) exhibited a form of racism (or would it be speciesism?) against Cmn. Tarses based on his Romulan heritage and Cpt. Picard rightly called her out about that during his own interrogation. Fortunately, it seems Tarses' Starfleet career wasn't ruined as the character turns up again in multiple (admittedly non-canon) game and novel appearances.
Also, I'm not fully convinced that Sisko (were he not still a LtCdr. working on the Defiant-class prototype back at Utopia Planitia Fleet Yards during the events of 'The Drumhead') would've stood up for Tarses as eagerly as Picard did. I think Sisko's actions during the Maquis Resistance and Dominion War demonstrated that he leaned a bit statist (but certainly no where near to the degree shown by Garak and some of the other Cardassian characters). At least, I'd _like_ to think that Picard quoting Judge Aaron Satie was a heartfelt expression of his own guiding principles and not just a ploy to rattle his opponent during the hearing.
She is such a great actress, to make the viewer hate her character so much. True talent.
Like that guy Josh Lucas in Sweet Home Alabama. I hated him so much in Hulk. Good acting from these people.
I always view it as good acting or even writing, if you feel something strongly for the character/s involved.
Whether it be a strong love, admiration, or even hate and repulsion...at least the writing of the character has MADE you feel something, has incited your emotions in some way!
You know when writing is bad when you just feel nothing about it and don't care what happens to them either way.
That's how you can tell good writing/acting from the bad. :)
Watch footsteps in the fog. Jean Simmons is great in that.
Both Jonathan Frakes (who directed this episode) and Jean Simmons were thrilled to have her do this episode. Frakes was a huge fan of hers and had worked with her before. Jean Simmons herself was a huge Star Trek fan herself and jumped at the chance to be in an episode of TNG.
Yep, I hated her. I saw her at the bus stop after a rain, drove my car into a puddle and soaked her at the stop! I got a young couple, blind guy and a seeing eye dog, I felt bad about the dog.
Adam
this is esentually the red scare of the 1950's
"I have no friends."
I believe you.
There are things more important than petty friendships. Like duty.
I thought the same thing!
Holy shit, like every word coming out of her mouth is a red giant flag.
It's so obvious.
its funny and sad how many people sound just like her now days
3:33 is a genius piece of acting. You can read so much from just his face and posture, and I find myself really getting drawn into his mind and empathising with what he's feeling.
Yes, that guy is good. He should try some Shakespeare ;-)
I also especially like when Picard admits it may have been wrong to use Troy's abilities to detect intentions. It's the kind of self examination that makes it believable that all these characters are as wise as they are
"If necessary I will go to Starfleet Command."
"I *AM* STARFLEET COMMAND."
The admiral admits she has no home, no friends and does not see family....but has a purpose. I have heard that before in life. Red flags abound.
Oh I’m on my way to rewatching this episode
This episode was so intense, Satie’s actress did an amazing job, especially towards the end when she was outraged at Picard’s testimony.
Ahhh, back when conversations where more gripping than cgi stuff being blown up by more cgi stuff.
And when leaders in TV shows actually resembled leaders and didnt act like petulant, snarky children.
Hard to believe it’s the same actress who played Spartacus’ love interest
"There have been others who doubted me. They came to regret it"
Oh, you done MESSED up. Nobody threatens Jean Luc Picard and gets away with it.
And yet in Star Trek Picard everyone berates and threatens him and gets away with it.
@@makasete30 I reject your reality and substitute my own.
This episode was not only dark in mood, but it even seems that the illumination on the Enterprise has been subdued.
Night shift 😜
I hope Picard goes to the ministry of magic.
Not enough middle names.
Admiral…What You’re Doing Here Is Unethical, It's Immoral, and it’s not about THE METS, BABY, THE METS!
LOVE THE METS!
GO METS!
YEEEEEEEAH!
The Drumhead is a fucking awesome episode! Peak Star Trek!
Admiral Settee reminds me of Cruella Deville. They could have an episode where she has a fur coat of Tribbles.
That doesn't really track. Tribbles are an ecological disaster and making them into coats is actually a good idea.
Picard is my fav ST character because no matter what, he'll stand up for someone's rights
Right up until 2020.
@@Drebin2293 what do u mean?
@@Stardust_7273 That's when ST:P was aired.
@@Drebin2293 I know. So what did he do that was denying someone their rights? He was one of the ppl standing up for Android rights
@@Stardust_7273 I don't know. What about the rights of a society to self govern?
If a government wishes to ban synthetic life-form production within their borders, they have that right.
Creating a synthetic life-form is nothing like creating an organic one.
Once a synthetic life-form is created they have the right to exist, but not necessarily the right to copy themselves or create new ones as long as they wish to live within that government.
And there's the rub. Biological life and synthetic life are fundamentally different. It's an inbuilt instinct and natural biological function for standard life to reproduce. For synthetic life? Not unless they were built with it or have the knowledge to do what their creator did. And even then, they have a virtually unlimited lifespan where biological life is finite.
Everyone I hear that are talking about the synths are talking as if they were actually alive. Data? Probably. Maybe not? If he's not, then he comes the closest I've heard of. The soong androids on the planet? Maybe? Maybe not? They're not given enough screen time for me to know one way or another. The synths on utopia planitia? Nope. What about Roger Corby and the other androids? We have VIs today that can pretty easily pass the Turing test. Where is the line?
And what about the ethics involved? Once a computer has mastered a still. That's it. It can be mastered for all computers everywhere for all time to the exact same degree. You learn something new and make improvements? You can send out an update package to all other synths. Imagine waking up fully formed with a preprogrammed personality and the cumulative knowledge skills of the entirety of known history at your fingertips. Because that's what's possible with synthetic life. And that is INCREDIBLY dangerous.
When does a biological society that's capable of creating such a masterpiece become completely outstripped by it's creations and become completely subservient to them? Doesn't a society have the right to determine that it wants to avoid or stave off that inevitable conclusion?
This is an incredibly complex subject that no media I've heard of can do justice to. To truly understand the full ramifications such a fundamental change this would have on a society is impossible. Just because you can do a thing, it doesn't mean you should do that thing.
It's like the augment argument all over again but infinitely more dangerous.
When does it cease to be a walking high performance computer automaton with an incredibly complex virtual personality and become a virtual life-form? No one knows, because it's hard to determine what constitutes consciousness. Biological life has it. We can argue about sapience but a lot of species are sentient. TOS and TNG did pretty lackluster episodes on this, and they expounded more on it with the doctor. Where does it cease to be programmed emulation and become real. Think about the differences between game ports, software emulation, hardware emulation (fpga), hardware reverse engineered clones, and the original NES.
Picard goes on this great crusade because of his love for what could amount to an incredibly complex highly emulative and adaptable sex toy (Data).
I hate watching this episode just because of how much I hate her. It's a great episode but she is like winn, I just get filled with hate
That aide liked that a little too much LOL
I think that the actress enjoyed actually having a line of dialogue for once; it might have been her only one.
@@TheZetaKai She's been in more episodes of Star Trek than some of the regular cast lol
Yeah her face was like those girls in school who went to the teacher so happy with themselves that they're about to snitch
Picard: "Go to brown alert number one"
lol
Nobody expects the Starfleet Inquisition!
Definitely less so than the Spanish Inquisition.
Picard could have teased her:
Picard: "You are most inquisitive."
Admiral: "Well, thank you."
Picard: "May I call you Grand Inquisitor?"
Anyone remember McCarthyism?
Yeah. It's back in the modern day, only it's not Communists that are targeted.
It's comedians, artists, free-thinkers. Anyone that the new woke order finds "offensive".
@@Phatnaru0002 Uhm, it was BLM members being plucked off the street in Portland by unidentified, unmarked federal agents in 2020. "Woke" literally stands for awoken, because most of you are asleep. Considering you have the Proud Boys working on your side of the aisle, and cop-killing capitol riots being the legacy of your efforts last year, I would dare say had you been alive during McCarthyism, you would be the first to condemn their targets. Liberals and left-leaning citizens today have more to do with socialism and anti-government meddling than you and the rest of the drones on the right could possibly be. You spread misinformation, while supporting invasive state meddling with female reproductive organs in the same breath you decry mask-mandates and vaccine policies as a breach of freedom. You are no freethinkers. You are not targets. You are assets.
@@Vespyr_ Bold of you to decry the spread of misinformation while doing so yourself.
@@Vespyr_ Hey there man, don’t assume all republicans support that nonsense. When you start to clump together people with terms like “drones” and “assets” you start to view them as less than human. That’s not a good thing.
@@Vespyr_ You stated: _"... while supporting invasive state meddling with female reproductive organs..."_
One of the ethical principles in _Star Trek_ is the sanctity of life. This not only applies to humanoid life forms, but to energy life forms and artificial life forms. The state (at least in the U.S.) does not meddle with female reproductive organs, but does have an interest in preserving life.
Nearly all people would object to killing a human baby upon birth. In addition, most people would object to killing a baby five minutes before it is born. A legitimate question is at what point does a fetus become a baby and therefore entitled to life. I have not studied this topic sufficiently to have an answer, but moral people have an interest in this topic.
Why did she take the long way around the bridge to give Picard his summons?
She had to use the starboard loo, the one across from the door to the observation lounge.
To overstay her presence taking up real estate.
Nope, you are both wrong… it was to let Picard finish his lines with Riker…
@@SuperVstech winwichickdin
It was a power play move. She wanted everybody to notice her on the bridge so that they would see her serve notice to Captain Picard.
Most of the admirals and senators in today's management are like this too. First to look for blame and who to crucify vs. actually leading the ship in teh right direction.
This is one of the most important episodes of star trek in the entire franchise. It is such a pity so many people today in 2021 do not have the wisdom necessary to heed its warnings.
Yes, you are correct. Cancel culture, #MeToo, taking actions out of context (e.g. wearing "blackface" as part of a Halloween costume in the 1980's being considered racist, even though it was not considered immoral at the time; canceling "The Dukes of Hazzard" because of the Confederate flag painted on the protagonists' car even though the show had nothing to do with racism), are just a few examples.
Agreed 100%. Probably the most important period.
@@Eternal_Tech ??? the arguement of "oh it was normal back then" is not an argument. Oh slavery was acceptable back then? Did you ask the slaves if they thought it was acceptable?
The Confederate flag literally represents a nation that rebelled to keep slavery, if thats not racist then maybe you might be racist yourself.
@@theflyingkaramazovbrothers6 This is literally only a US problem, every other developed nation has already restricted and delt with covid 100x better than we have.
Go look at japan, or Korea, they see masks as a sign of respect for eachothers health. They lockdown immediately and harshly, meanwhile the US has not lockdown once, and opened up way too quickly several times, thats why we had 3 covid waves.
You already have a vaccine "passport" you need it to get into school or to travel. This isnt a new thing, its just focused on covid since its the present disease causing the pandemic.
@@theflyingkaramazovbrothers6 Also stfu about "pre security state" when literally 100% of republicans voted for the Patriot act. Like I at least know dems do and dont pretend afterwards to be against it.
The Patriot act is horrible and abuses many rights, but to decry it then to vote for it is even worse.
I just realized Satie's zipper grip looks almost just like a noose. That's a little too on the nose…
This is exactly the modern day press. EXACTLY like MODERN DAY MEDIA!
Guilty until innocent-quite the current situation we see today.
Except that you can never be found innocent in the Court of Public Opinion.
People with a righteous purpose: nobody is capable of greater atrocity.
Sir Patrick Stewart is the man! There has never been a better orator in my opinion. He is the perfect Captain.
0:24 I can't believe it she is actually investigating Worf, the one guy that is ON HER SIDE in this.
What? She's saying Worf has found a brother of Simon Tarses. Maybe I misunderstood your comment.
Back when Star Trek had good writing and believable character that weren’t one dimensional or less.
She's like the prototype for Dolores Umbridge
Satie: We're Partners. ;-)
Picard: This "investigation" is a sham, please stop it. I'm his captain.
Satie: I'm going to drop the Partnership pretense and call you out as a Federation hating conspiracist!
Picard: Irrelevant but whatever, the hearings are going to stop, I'll go to Starfleet myself if I have to.
Satie: I AM STARFLEET.
Picard: This shit AGAIN? So be it.
imagine we had *this* in star trek picard...
actual trek in my opinion
The blessings of good writers.
Oh how well did this series age?
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Admiral Sati was an excellent example. Started in the business to do good and eventually became her own worst enemy.
the kyle rittenhouse trial in a nutshell
Actually, as he is Captain of the ship, he still has the ultimate authority over every single thing that happens on the ship, Admiral/Admirals or no.
Until they relieve him.
@@benn454 Which can’t be done on the spot on the ship by just anyone. It would have to come down through his chain of command, from the authority that put him in command.
@@FS2K4Pilot Unfortunately, as established in a later episode, SHE is the Admiral who put him in command.
Though he could get around that by relieving her of her command if he feels he has just cause to do so.
@@jonathancampbell5231 Maybe, maybe not. While Starfleet’s regulations are admittedly hazy in regards to selection and posting of commanding officers, or in any matter, really, I would expect that examination boards would be involved, so as to ensure that no unfit officer wound up where he or she shouldn’t be. Perhaps the Admiral cast the deciding vote on his board, or perhaps she was in charge of Starfleet’s Bureau of Personnel and was carrying out the selection board’s recommendation. It would follow that removing him would require a similar examination board, at which the Admiral would likely have to show cause for his removal.
And at any rate, even if she was the one who gave him command of the Enterprise, she’d have to be acting as part of his chain of command at that time in order to have any shot at removing or relieving him.
@@jonathancampbell5231 which episode?
Kinda funny how this show predicted modern touch screen devices.
It's the 24th Century version, of the McCarthy Witch-hunts.
Only McCarthy wasn’t wrong.
@@biggoathorns Your lunacy shows you to be identical to the admiral here. You poor soul.
My favourite episode. Ship in bottle episodes always were.
The score, the acting, the script...all on point
Biggest mistake Sati made was taking on Picard. He exposed her for the conspiracy theorist nut she really was, and essentially ended her entire career.
Actually, she was already retired. Does Starfleet really have so few qualified personnel that they have to activate retired ones?
@@brdrnda3805 True, but now they’re almost certainly going to go back and take a second look at her previous cases.
They are sure to find more of the same there as well.
@@brdrnda3805 She had a track history of blazing glory. I think they hinted she unraveled the parasite conspiracy seen in season 1, but even before that she was of legendary status. We later saw that Satie was in fact the one who gave the final authorization for Picard to take command of the Enterprise to begin with, so she might have more connection to Picard/Enterprise than we see here. I think I would ask her to come back as well, and it helps with her admiral rank to be in charge of these investigations so she can issue orders.
@@brdrnda3805Bringing back retired Flag Officers is a time-tested tradition in the armed forces whenever someone at the top wants a task done that could damage the career of an officer still on active duty.
@@synaxarion That makes sense.
The thing is, you can so easily see how she gained this mentality, and how such a mentality would act as a self-fulfilling prophesy. The instant you see a conspiracy, how tempting it is to search for threads to keep pulling, and pulling, and pulling, until the very thing you're trying to keep together lays unwravelled in ruin.
In real life, Picard would have been fired for doing the right thing really soon into the series.
I love how Sati's sycophant walks the long way around the bridge to come and give him the summons. He could easily refuse saying he's too busy with ship's operations to participate in her witch hunt. Let her be forced into getting a warrant to force him to appear.
The zipper on her chest literally has a noose on it. She's a hanging judge.
Patrick Stewart is superb, as always.
when star trek was star trek, long live it in memories of what it was, and should be, always should be, shame what it has become, this episode is so important of what it was and now is, and has become
The climate of fear and hostility towards Romulans in the Federation is why Tarsis falsified the documents in the first place.
These were the days when female admirals wore whatever they wanted. Very out of this world garments. Gave the fashion designers a lot of room to express their personality.
1:30 and here I thought she was retired. Why was she doing all the running around if she was retired?
Back when Picard had a sack
that assistant in the end scene, wow she looks arrogant and smug
"I have no friends, but I have a purpose." That just about sums up every social services child protection manager..
Do you speak from personal experience?
I used to think CPS was nothing but a bunch of judgmental bureaucrats. But as I've grown older, I now realize that the average person can scarcely imagine how many children they come across who are being "raised" by abusive, negligent, pathetic excuses for parents. The majority of our problems in society go back to childhood, and parents that never should have been trusted with the emotional and physical welfare of a young, vulnerable, impressionable child. Even worse is the number of children in bad homes that can't be taken away and given a chance at a normal life, even though social workers can clearly see signs of abuse. The average parent greatly underestimates the amount of psychological damage they inflict on their children absent-mindedly.
Lol that worked out perfectly, my video did some buffering right at 0:39. No not the video Picard c'mon now!
Dig into HER past. She pretty much admitted she is driven by obsession. 😏 Show her the mirror. Tear her apart. Her psychology is all too obvious.
4:00 And there we see how Picard's reaction to this madness would be seen by them as conspiracy, suspicious behavior. - Classic psychological projection. Being afraid of something, trying to prepare for it, defend against it, thereby bringing it about where it did not exist.
I've brought down bigger men than you Picard!
Jean Simmons (Rear Admiral Satie) was a Legend. Such a great actress, fantastic she was cast in this role.
The good ole days when America had morals and ethics and Star Trek reflected that.
If nuTrek made _The Drumhead_ today they'd totally have Adm. Satie be seen as either a "necessary evil" or flat-out good. Her overbearing aggressive attitude based entirely on emotion would fit right alongside Michael Burnham, Adm. Clancy, and mirror Georgiou.
The message would be "perservering against all logic and argument is heroic." And Picard would actually wind up being a Klingon-hating traitor, vindicating all that Satie wanted and more.
Yikes, what a power play... this Admiral has big beans!
So relevant in today's world.
Damn when did Nancy Pelosi make it to Star Trek?
Space Karen
Is that Rodney Dangerfield Mother in Law from Easy Money? Co starring Joe Pesci BTW do yourself a favor and see it.
Love the golden noose she has on her chest. Very symbolic.
Picard should have checked that note taker girl for coming onto his bridge. She’s not command.
Bjork _and_ Judge Judy in the same episode!
how interesting that the markings on her jacket look like a noose.
This reflects what our world is like today.
Congress should watch this episode before they launch their sham investigations.
Right?! Four years later and not a single shred of proof of their BS accusations were ever shown or found for that matter.
Funny how they made such noise about getting Trumps taxes last year, but haven’t ever made a peep about those since.
Space Umbridge.
How do all these admirals carry on, like they ever commanded a starship???
She's a perfect representative of current day thought and behavior.
she's like me hehe
A good Star Trek episode doesn't depend on action or technobabble. Just a good script, well cast
I always liked how Star Trek up until Voyager (never watched past) had episodes that reflected moral issues in our century. In this episode, McCarthyism.
Except it turns out McCarthy was right about Hollywood all along.
@@CRAZYHORSE19682003 says a crazy guy on the internet 🙄
@@jusztinnemeti6380 I am not crazy! My mother had me tested.
Enterprise has this stuff, too. I recommend giving it a try. (It is also interesting because it explores the very early roots of Starfleet. It's easier to mentally connect it to our present time, and that makes it exciting. - Which is also why I find the theme song appropriate. ... The remix less so, though, because it stylistically moves in the wrong direction.)
It has some nice long-lasting story elements. Good characters.
Question to all Trekkies: why are all Star Fleet admirals either antagonistic, amoral, incompetent, or straight up evil?
Maybe as a warning that power always corrupts one.
This one isn't even in uniform.
Adds to the drama.
Though in fairness, many aren't- it's just that the ones that ARE tend to be more memorable
Because the stupid writers make them that way for BS reason and the stupid fan base always believe that section 31 is behind every bad thing. This are the same people who don't give our guys in the CIA the benefit of doubt on how they defend the USA interest all over the world.
Won’t a airlock work great for her …..
Anyone else think she is just like Pelosi? 🤣
One of the most powerful and dramatic Star Trek episodes. Patrick Stewart at his best. Ethics, racism, equality, and inclusion - freedoms - this is the real fight for it. Not the goofy political stuff happening in modern day society.
You described a lot of conflicts of modern day society, though. They're always going to be an issue for a multicultural society with freedom as a stated value.
@@wickedAberration I stand by my snide comment about modern activism. I am an older white male conservative. I an defaulted into the 'racist' category quite liberally - even though 95% of the my friends are non white. Rosie Parks fought for freedom for blacks. Modern day activists have a skewed agenda leading to nothing but overall discontentment with life.
@@ourladyofguadalupebotanica6732 "I have black friends I cant be racist" "damm SWJs not letting me say slurs"
@@BlockwizardGaming That's exactly it! He even admits he's snide about it! Deluded fool is sad because the racist shoe fits!
@@ourladyofguadalupebotanica6732 People probably call your racist because you say bigoted things. And because you think those bigoted things are true by default, despite knowing absolutely nothing, people don't care that you find modern activism bad. You would and probably do think the same thing about older activist movements. You don't actually have a moral core, you're just a bad person.