It's not intentional. It's rainwater seepage through the top of a faulty gas tank. They do intentionally "water" down the gas nowadays but it wouldn't make any sense for them to do it to such an extent and above all no reason for this particular circumstance, so there's no way for you to rationalize it being intentional.
@@Cinncinnatus like putting the cap back on? It's possible? But the entire tank needs to be drained and inspected. Admiral Wilson Boulevard is pretty close to the river. There has been rain recently.
Gas station owner didn't think people would ever notice the watered down fuel you've been selling them? I see lawsuits left and right heading your way!
@@johnsmith1953x For what, if anything blame the state, they're supposed to do routine tests of all stations, it's not a crime to have an underground tank that leaks, Conoco is responsible.
@@Peter-pv8xx Um, it is a crime to have an underground tank that leaks! NJ Department of Environmental Protection would be on them for having a leaky tank that contaminates the ground, and Camden County Weights and Measures would have them on selling liquid which isn't the gasoline consumers paid for.
It will be more than that. This happened here in Atlanta, and at least two people spent thousands having to have the car engines replaced. Contaminated with water AND dirt!
@@arthurswanson3285not really, at the most the fuel injection or carburetors would need to be cleaned. Most of them could have their gas tank drained and the fuel lines flushed and the car would run just as well as it did before. I guarantee you that some will claim that their cars aren’t running after the gas system is drained, flushed, and cleaned. If a car was to sit for a long period of time with enough water in the gas, the tank could rust and need to be cleaned or replaced, but that is not common.
Why? The cars can easily be fixed with no lasting problems. They should get some compensation for not being able to use their cars, but by no means should they get a new (another) car.
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58% water? Shadddddyyyyyyyyy, that gas station location is obviously having gas quality issues....it's probably best to avoid that station for a while💯💯💯
It sounds like it is a problem with their underground storage tanks. They said there was flooding before both incidents, so there is an issue with the tank being sealed that is allowing water to get in. Most likely it is with the filler caps or a leak that is higher up in the tank. A lot of stations never fill their tanks completely so they wouldn’t be aware of a leak that was higher up I the tank. I wouldn’t get gas there unless I saw a major repair being done to the tanks.
@@TheCrazyMoparDude68Disc Stations Rarely have their Tanks Checked for water leaks Until l they get complaints..But State Inspectors Check Quality of Gas Occasionally & Water in Gas is Detectable in their Test Kits,but Rarely See Them @ Stations
@@bobbob-vw4cc Each gas station has a tank monitoring system, most often built by the company "Veeder-Root," inside the store itself. At any time, any attendant can press one button on the panel (provided the panel isn't locked in a manager's office) and get an instant printout of each tank's level (in both inches and gallons), including how many inches of the tank's contents is water, and the temperature of the fuel in those tanks. I've worked at several gas stations in my lifetime, I've personally used the panel at each of those stations to check fuel and water levels. A certain amount of water in the tank is "acceptable" due to temperature changes and condensation, plus water being rather adept at seeping into seals no matter how good they are. However, the panel will also beep - very loudly and annoyingly - when water levels are higher than "acceptable." You can hit the red button to silence the alarm, but after a few sales, it will beep again to remind you. The beeping will not stop until you press the red button on the panel, and the operator will have to keep manually silencing the alarm every time it triggers. A conscientious operator will check those levels daily to ensure they are selling a product that meets standard.
Damn what if Uber drivers got their gas from there? Damn what if you were affected the first time and you went back and it happened again? That place doesn't deserve patronage from anyone. They clearly don't care about their customers.
why? they only check if the tank after its been 'cleaned' out if the fuel at that moment is okay to use. it doesnt stop nothing from happening again. tanker truck filling a tank could not put the cap back on the filler or the vent cap who knows. they'll find out when they do the inspection again. they arent paid to prevent this kind of stuff that is user operator error. you acting like inspectors are on site every time they fill the tanks up...
Why? A "one-off" event (the first time) and then good for a month. The inspector did his job. It seems to be just an unlucky chance. But the 2nd time, then you start watching like a hawk.
only if they are a total idiot. gas and water dont mix... if they wanted to make it cheaper they'd mix it with something that at least still lets the gas 'burn'. not get sued for all the damages this would 'obviously' cause. My bet is this was totally user operator error and a tanker truck filling the storage tanks forgot to put a cap back on the fill or vent hookup.
As a former gas hauler the station was always responsible for maintaining the “drops” where the fuel was dumped. Because no other stations were mentioned, it has to be poor maintenance or neglect on the part of the station. Cross dropping also occurs when a driver dumps diesel into the gas drops causing contamination.
For sure, the ground is contaminated with gas... it used to be that at every load of gas, the tank was checked with a pole, and a substance on that pole would show the level of water at the lower part of the tank. 58 percent water means the tank water level was at more than half.
You are wrong, “sticking” the tanks wasn’t done to check for water. Gasoline is less dense than water and floats on top water. If you stuck the tanks, any water that was on the pole would be removed when pulling the pole back up. The tanks were checked to compare the amount of gas sold to the amount of gas still in the tanks. This was how you made sure that the tanks weren’t leaking and most stations would do it in the morning when they opened (if they weren’t open 24 hrs) and in the evening when they closed. If you have less gas remaining in the tank than what had been sold, you knew you had a leak. The city/county/state would request these records when they inspected the pumps. Above ground tanks used a gauge that used a float in the tank with the measurements shown on a tape measure on the side of the tank(s).
@@TheCrazyMoparDude68 Wrong! There was a PASTE that you rubbed on the bottom of the stick which changed color IF it encountered water. Pump intakes are near the bottom of the tank, so it didn’t take much to have them pump water.
@@TheCrazyMoparDude68 No, you stick the pink paste on the pole measure the depth of the fuel write that down, and then measure how much water is in the tank also. Once the water goes above a certain level, they have to send the truck to pump it out before it gets to the intakes . You’re also supposed to stick the truck to make sure you’re getting gasoline and not water.
Most underground fuel tanks holds about 10K gallons of gas. Here in Mississippi, as part of standard operating procedure, we get a reading from the gas monitor( Veeder - Root system ) which tells us how much gas as well as water is in each fuel tank. If the water gets anywhere around 2 inches( which is somewhere around 50 gallons ) in any tank, we put in a call for maintenance to come pump the water out of the tank. Regulators from Mississippi's Department of Agriculture comes to test our system at least once a year - unless a problem has happened, and our station fails the test. The regulator will schedule a return, and if everything is not up to code, our station CANNOT sell gas until the problem has been fixed. If it has gotten to the point where a station has damaged or destroyed vehicles by selling poor grade gas, then they deserve everything that is coming to them.
One thing you missed is that " Veeder-Root system " also sounds an alarm when the water level exceeds the two inch mark . well ours did and it was the most annoying high pitch beeping , there was no way to ignore it , if the water level reached either 2 1/2 " or 3 " (forget) it would automatically place a call for maintenance . So by the next morning maintenance would simply arrive and go to work . Veeder-Root system is just a computer and the parameters can be manually changed , don't know why any attendant or owner would do that though .
@@timc333 I remember those alarms. My manager would put the call to maintenance when the water levels reached one and one - half of an inch so that we didn't have to hear the alarm. Lol.
@@samuelchappell7280 Smart guy , the mgr where I worked didn't care and would tell me to leave it go till he got in in the morning . Many night shifts I spent with the beeping , no wonder I'm jumpy , LOL.
@@timc333 I hear you. Once, while my store manager was on vacation, I had to call my District Manager if there were any problems. I told her that the levels were above 2 inches, and she almost lost it. Apparently, she heard from other stations that the inspectors were in town. She had the maintenance guys out there that morning before my shift ended. She said something to them because they kept asking me why were they NOT informed about it. I told them that my store manager called a few days earlier, but they NEVER answered nor returned her calls. They got it fixed. Inspectors checked our pumps a week later.
@@samuelchappell7280 Getting back to that Veeder-Root system , the only thing I liked about it was getting the tank reading reports from it , because it meant my shift was almost over , otherwise I despised the thing , probably because the manager did , lol.
We used to call it "sticking" the tanks: putting a wooden rod with water detection paste on it into the tank. This was done every day, and also after every heavy rain event.
The same thing happened in our gas station in 2005 when we recieved our gas delivery during heavy rain and rain water got mixed up with gas thus seperating ethenol from gas and resulted in gas stranded 23 cars, gas stations do have insurance for these kind of incidents all 23 cars repairs were paid by our insurance.
Always, always get a receipt after buying gas and write down the mileage on the receipt, especially if you pay cash for your gas, otherwise you got nothing to prove you were even there
If the gas station has surveillance cameras (which, any more, is the standard), and cannot produce the relevant footage in court, then the plaintiff car owner would have the benefit of the missing evidence presumption at trial.
There is a monitoring system for tanks that uses a float that doesn't float in fuels but floats in the denser water. It shows what the water level is in the tank and sets off an alarm if it rises beyond a certain level. Fuel is pumped from the tanks using a pipe that extends to about 6 inches from the bottom of the tank. Water is heavier than fuel so it settles to the bottom of the tank. The pump won't pick up any water until it gets to be about 4 inches deep in the tank. Water can accumulate in tanks due to condensation. This could form in the underground tank as the level falls as the fuel is used and moist air enters the tank. After a considerable amount of time, enough might form for the float to rise and set off an alarm. The other way to get water in the tank is a badly sealed cover. The underground tanks are filled through large pipes in the top of the tank that are located under covers in the concrete. The caps under the covers are sealed if installed correctly. If a cap isn't installed correctly or is damaged, water from rain or melting snow can enter the tank. If the water detection alarm sets, the contractor who services the system will bring a pump setup that pumps from the very bottom of the tank to remove the water. Water and gas will not stay mixed for more than a few minutes without being stirred. Stirring can occur when a tanker truck delivers fuel. As the fuel enters the tank through a large hose, if the tank level was very low, the flow can mix the fuel with any water in the bottom of the tank which could take several minutes to settle back down. If I see a tanker in a station, I will wait until later to get fuel.
58% water? Theirs not a leak in the world big enough to get that much water in to those tanks, someones trying to make money and its not the gas station, the supplier must be recycling fuel
A good reason to ask for and save your receipt. It's good to have proof if you end up with bad gasoline and the station tries to pull the old, "We need proof that you bought it from us".
How can you have this same issue again? If you have 50% water in the tank, I'd expect that a full inspection would be required. Preferably including the uncovering of the tank.
Since cars and gas stations are designed to remove water from gasoline, there was a lot of water in it to overload both the gas station's water removal system and the car's water removal system. There all should be a water monitor system at the gas station so they should have known there was way to much water in the gas.
Worked at a gas station in high school, when you dip the tanks everyday, you put a green paste on the stick, it turns pink when exposed to water 58% water is insane Station staff should have known
And exactly why should they get a discount? Yes they should get their cars fixed, and be reimbursed for having to take a cab or Uber, but that is really all they are owed. You are making the assumption that this was done on purpose and not an accident. It sounds like the underground tanks have a faulty seal that is allowing rain water to get into the tanks, which is hard to detect if the issue is above the usual gas level. Now the owner may be responsible more if he knew about the faulty seal and lied to the inspector about getting it fixed. But I would say that the inspector never really looked at the tank and only checked the percentage of water in the gas and said it was within normal limits.
Way back in the day I worked one summer at a gas station. They had a guy come in to check the underground storage tanks constantly. If they go your station is done.
I had to go back and look. Well a trash bag would stop the wind which would keep them warm during the winter time. It would also help keep them dry when it is raining.
ONE TIME I bought contaminated gas … cost me several thousands $$$ to have my vehicle towed to my mechanic and repairs made. Never went back to that gas station and about a year later the business was closed as people learned the owner was putting water in the gas and no one would do any business with the guy. Stop buying gas from a station that has repeated issues with their gas!!!
Years ago, contaminated gas ruined my car's system, resulting in my buying another vehicle. I had no clear proof, etc. The replacement was at my own expense. My current EV at least won't be dependent on the quality of gasoline available. And, I charge my BMW iX xDrive50 all electric SUV at home with solar power.
Mine stopped recently, then was okay when 3A showed up. He asked when and where had I last filled up (that morning) and said they'd had a couple of calls that day with same problem and same station was named (not Conoco). Nice young fellow put some stuff we bought at a nearby store into fuel tank and it's been fine. We'd had rain and 3A said don't go to that station right after rain in the future.
1.gas shipped in by barge and not allowed to settle and gauged for water 2. Fuel tanker company driver/loader did not inspect inside of tank compartments for foreign entity/tank dome covers left open/tank was used for different fuel like diesel and then gas loaded on top. Tank used to transport other liquids and not cleaned out.tank at terminal has exposed openings/not allowed to settle after unloading/not cleaned properly. 3. Gas station owner not maintaining equipment,has equipment issues
pretty soon- 'gas testing' devices will hit the market. People will be able to attach 'this simple device' on the end of the gas nozzle during fill up. The device will turn green if good- turn red if bad- or some of them will have an octane reading meter. You watch. OR, as an option, cars will be equipped with a 'gas quality' meter along with the normal gas gauge. The 'built-in' option is actually not a bad idea.
No, that will never happen. Problems with water getting into the gas stations tanks has been an issue since the first gas station was built. Today, it is much less a problem because of tanks getting regular inspections. There isn’t a demand for such a device that you have described, so there is no profit to be made. No profit means no product. This is on the whoever inspected the tanks and said the problem was solved. Obviously what ever caused the water to get into the tanks was never fixed and the inspector just looked at the percentage of water in the tank after the owner said it was fixed. If there was flooding, then most likely the problem is with the caps on the fillers, they are not sealing completely.
@@TheCrazyMoparDude68 so then WHY would there not be a demand? I mean- if you could judge gas quality from station to station- wouldn't that be useful information? Okay- maybe there is a certain 'acceptable' level of water in gas- but not to the point where it causes the octane level to degrade.
@@Look_What_You_Did anything can be a 'scam' device; a scale, the gas pump meter itself that measures volume. If the device is from an independent reliable source- then why not have this to do a quick test while you pump. Even if its just 'test strips' that you stick in front of the nozzle for a moment and then use some kind of color chart that grades the gas quality- like we do when we test our pool water- whatever; something.
Wait, what about the filters and don't they have a gauge to test for contamination? Not to mention gasoline and water don't mix. Shouldn't be hard to spot in a sample. Should it?
They should revoke the stations permit to operate until the problem is resolved permanently. If the tanks are collecting water, then they most likely are also leaking, and contaminating the soil the station sits on. No station should be allowed to operate when everyone who has filled up at the station has the same problem with their cars. One complaint may be an isolated incident but when everyone has the same issue with their car then there is a definite problem.
Usually get gas at a conoco where I live and hadn’t had a problem until the last two fills there. Gas mileage plummeted. Filled up at a Sunoco on last fill and mileage returned to normal. Then I saw this story. Don’t live in this area, but Hmmmm…
Once is terrible. Twice? At a minimum, this gas station’s insurance will drop them. They need to absolutely ensure that they’ve fixed the problem before being allowed to reopen again.
Repeated flooding from the nearby Cooper river on to Admiral Wilson Blvd. over the years has probably compromised the tanks & fuel lines to them at this station. At this point think such will need to be dug up and surround area soil remediated due to fuel contamination (if water is getting into the fuel, also means the gas is leaking into the ground). Not a small undertaking but would seem to be necessary.
Water doesn't compress in your engine. It becomes like little ball bearings. There's an easy test to check for water in your tank's, we used to do it every morning...
I’ve had two bike mechanics over the last 30+ years tell me where I’ve been buying gas and where I SHOULD be buying gas because of the effect on my carbs or EFIs. They learn which stations have leaky tanks and water contamination.
STP makes an additive that will dry up the water in the fuel system or you can run a siphon pump down the fuel fill pipe and pump the gas out replacing it will a high octane fuel.
This actually is not all that uncommon a problem. It happens when a station receives a load of tainted gas. it isnt the stations fault, its the supplier. Did the fuel get tainted in the trucks tank? Or at the refinery? Shell used to send out tainted fuel here after they cleaned a tank at the refinery & not all of the cleaner was flushed out & it tainted the next fuel that was pumped into it. ALL gas pumps have a filter which has a water sensing valve. If your hose is running V E R Y slow, hang up that nozzle as it may suggest the fuel in the tank is tainted OR the station is just lazy replacing their filters. A Safeway gas station near us changes their filters every 21 days but a lot of station managers dont wish to be bothered. !
if rain is getting into the gas supply, anyone think it's a possibility that gasoline got into the water supply or is it just a one way value designed to ruin gasoline for giggles?
10 percent ethanol 40 percent actual gasoline and 50 percent water wow you get a lot for around 4 bucks a gallon. As for me the first time they had that much water in their gas would have been the coffin nail I would have never used that station ever again
Probably because they didn’t add the water to the gas, it got in because of the flooding and a poor seal to the underground tanks. Everyone is claiming that the gas was added on purpose, but that would be very hard to do. It isn’t like the access to the tanks are hidden, they are in the wide open on the lot. It would be pretty damn hard to open the tanks and put a garden hose in without someone seeing. And it isn’t like it would only take a few minutes to water down the gas, it would take 20-30 minutes. Both incidents happened after there was flooding so it is most likely that there is an issue with the under ground tank that is allowing water to get in. Either from a bad seal on the filler caps, or a leak that is higher up on the tank. Most stations never fill their tanks up completely, so a leak could easily be missed if it was higher up. Who knows if the owner actually fixed something the first time, he made just have pump the gas out and got another delivery. I would hope that whoever inspected the gas after the first time looked into what repairs were done and not just test the gas again.
All it takes is for a bad cap on the large fuel tank or a missing cap. Then add rain, the water goes straight into the tank. Nothing criminal was going on here.
Think a professional environmental science company needs to be called in and determine if the FUEL tanks are leaking. LUSTs are a MASSIVE groundwater contamination concern.
Does it occur to anyone else that if water could get into those tanks, then gasoline could get out of those tanks? How much contamination of the ground and the groundwater has occurred during the interim between the first incident and this one? The EPA needs to investigate and people need to be held to account.
50% water in the gas is not a coincidence.
RIGHT !! THEY GOT TO PAY MISSED WORK MOST OF THE TIME I JUST STOP AT WAWA IT'S WILD
Shit I miss when Fuel was Fuel.. What we get for fuel is mostly flammable soap..
That part!🫵🏽
It's not intentional. It's rainwater seepage through the top of a faulty gas tank. They do intentionally "water" down the gas nowadays but it wouldn't make any sense for them to do it to such an extent and above all no reason for this particular circumstance, so there's no way for you to rationalize it being intentional.
@KageShi thanks to Biden. FJB
Sounds like the underground tank is the issue. There's no way fuel left the refinery in that condition.⛽
They’re watering down the gas to make more money. It’s the human condition
that or the tanker filling the station forgot to do something...
@@Cinncinnatus like putting the cap back on? It's possible? But the entire tank needs to be drained and inspected. Admiral Wilson Boulevard is pretty close to the river. There has been rain recently.
@@WALTERBROADDUSAHMED is adding water
@@gilwood7530 There is no incentive for that....
Gas station owner didn't think people would ever notice the watered down fuel you've been selling them? I see lawsuits left and right heading your way!
that pun was so dry...
Lawsuit? More like prison.
Lol 🎉
@@johnsmith1953x For what, if anything blame the state, they're supposed to do routine tests of all stations, it's not a crime to have an underground tank that leaks, Conoco is responsible.
@@Peter-pv8xx Um, it is a crime to have an underground tank that leaks! NJ Department of Environmental Protection would be on them for having a leaky tank that contaminates the ground, and Camden County Weights and Measures would have them on selling liquid which isn't the gasoline consumers paid for.
very inconvenient? yeah, wait until the mechanic shop wants $500 to flush your fuel system. the inconvenience has only started.
It will be more than that. This happened here in Atlanta, and at least two people spent thousands having to have the car engines replaced. Contaminated with water AND dirt!
Its over $1000 now.
@@anb7408 Somebody is a liar... the "mechanic"... both...
The average fuel system flush is $450 in NC. Someone had other issues if dirt got past their tank and "destroyed" an engine.
@@redneckhippiefreak What are fuel filters....
They need to replace those people cars
Facts. Won't there be engine damage?
@@arthurswanson3285not really, at the most the fuel injection or carburetors would need to be cleaned. Most of them could have their gas tank drained and the fuel lines flushed and the car would run just as well as it did before. I guarantee you that some will claim that their cars aren’t running after the gas system is drained, flushed, and cleaned. If a car was to sit for a long period of time with enough water in the gas, the tank could rust and need to be cleaned or replaced, but that is not common.
Why? The cars can easily be fixed with no lasting problems. They should get some compensation for not being able to use their cars, but by no means should they get a new (another) car.
They need to see inside a prison cell.
It rains and flash floods can fill in ground tanks
Now I know where not to go.
all of NJ.. they inspected the station and it still messed people up.
DUDE...Its CAMDEN NJ ...If you were thinking of visiting , STOP THOSE CRAZY THOUGHTS !!! BIGGEST S-HIT HOLE ON EARTH ....But you can escape across the bridge to PHILLY
This happened to me...the gas station was responsible for fixing my vehicle, too.
They had the nerve to go back to this place after the first time.
They probably didn't know about the first incident
But cheap gas!! Lol
Yeah but you get a half gallon of gas and a half gallon of water to drink what other gas and go is offering that combo 😂
" rain water" that cost $4 a gallon, someone got too greedy with the water mix
Gas and water don't mix.
Water sinks to the bottom. Gasoline is an oil.
I bought a gallon of drinking water for $2.95 I was very very thirsty otherwise I wouldn't have bought it
Bs, you don't add so much water that you 100% get caught... twice.... think a little bit. The fine alone for that isn't even worth trying this.
$4.00 a gallon? I remember over $5.00 a gallon in Biden's first year. Drill Baby Drill, and FJB
Water doesn’t mix with gasoline. There’s no such thing as water down gasoline. It’s literally a tank full of water.
58% water? Shadddddyyyyyyyyy, that gas station location is obviously having gas quality issues....it's probably best to avoid that station for a while💯💯💯
no one checks the gas quality but the gas company, not the store.
It sounds like it is a problem with their underground storage tanks. They said there was flooding before both incidents, so there is an issue with the tank being sealed that is allowing water to get in. Most likely it is with the filler caps or a leak that is higher up in the tank. A lot of stations never fill their tanks completely so they wouldn’t be aware of a leak that was higher up I the tank. I wouldn’t get gas there unless I saw a major repair being done to the tanks.
@@TheCrazyMoparDude68Disc Stations Rarely have their Tanks Checked for water leaks Until l they get complaints..But State Inspectors Check Quality of Gas Occasionally & Water in Gas is Detectable in their Test Kits,but Rarely See Them @ Stations
@@bobbob-vw4cc Each gas station has a tank monitoring system, most often built by the company "Veeder-Root," inside the store itself. At any time, any attendant can press one button on the panel (provided the panel isn't locked in a manager's office) and get an instant printout of each tank's level (in both inches and gallons), including how many inches of the tank's contents is water, and the temperature of the fuel in those tanks.
I've worked at several gas stations in my lifetime, I've personally used the panel at each of those stations to check fuel and water levels. A certain amount of water in the tank is "acceptable" due to temperature changes and condensation, plus water being rather adept at seeping into seals no matter how good they are. However, the panel will also beep - very loudly and annoyingly - when water levels are higher than "acceptable." You can hit the red button to silence the alarm, but after a few sales, it will beep again to remind you. The beeping will not stop until you press the red button on the panel, and the operator will have to keep manually silencing the alarm every time it triggers.
A conscientious operator will check those levels daily to ensure they are selling a product that meets standard.
@@bobbob-vw4cca well run store sticks it's tanks daily with a water detection putty on the end of the stick (water sinks in gas)
Damn what if Uber drivers got their gas from there? Damn what if you were affected the first time and you went back and it happened again? That place doesn't deserve patronage from anyone. They clearly don't care about their customers.
no excuse...zero tolerance
the inspectors should be liable this 2nd time- has to be a standard for verifying if watertight
What if the inspectors did verify it is watertight but someone is adding water in it?
why? they only check if the tank after its been 'cleaned' out if the fuel at that moment is okay to use. it doesnt stop nothing from happening again. tanker truck filling a tank could not put the cap back on the filler or the vent cap who knows. they'll find out when they do the inspection again. they arent paid to prevent this kind of stuff that is user operator error. you acting like inspectors are on site every time they fill the tanks up...
No one is adding that much water... why would you purposely add so much water that you are definitely going to get caught...@AB-jz9ns
Why? A "one-off" event (the first time) and then good for a month. The inspector did his job. It seems to be just an unlucky chance.
But the 2nd time, then you start watching like a hawk.
I would not ever go back there again under that management or company owner.
Me too, no matter who the owner is. I would assume it's a site problem unfixable unless dug up and re-installed.
The only water “seeping” into those gas tanks was coming out of the garden hose that the owner of that gas station stuck down in there.
You are an idiot!
only if they are a total idiot. gas and water dont mix... if they wanted to make it cheaper they'd mix it with something that at least still lets the gas 'burn'. not get sued for all the damages this would 'obviously' cause. My bet is this was totally user operator error and a tanker truck filling the storage tanks forgot to put a cap back on the fill or vent hookup.
Some of you ppl really think that's some slick stuff that gas stations really be pulling lmao it literally doesn't work like that lol
@@Jeremy9697exactly apparently these ppl never been in a kitchen in their lives and tried mixing oil and water...
Why would an owner stick water in the tanks. It doesn’t mix with gasoline. They separate immediately. The car is literally got a tankful of water.
As a former gas hauler the station was always responsible for maintaining the “drops” where the fuel was dumped. Because no other stations were mentioned, it has to be poor maintenance or neglect on the part of the station. Cross dropping also occurs when a driver dumps diesel into the gas drops causing contamination.
The owners are responsible for any damage to peoples vehicles!
Exactly
That's facts, you are not supposed to have car problems immediately after getting gas.
For sure, the ground is contaminated with gas...
it used to be that at every load of gas, the tank was checked with a pole, and a substance on that pole would show the level of water at the lower part of the tank.
58 percent water means the tank water level was at more than half.
I used to do that at night for my mother who operated a gas station when I was 11/12
You are wrong, “sticking” the tanks wasn’t done to check for water. Gasoline is less dense than water and floats on top water. If you stuck the tanks, any water that was on the pole would be removed when pulling the pole back up.
The tanks were checked to compare the amount of gas sold to the amount of gas still in the tanks. This was how you made sure that the tanks weren’t leaking and most stations would do it in the morning when they opened (if they weren’t open 24 hrs) and in the evening when they closed. If you have less gas remaining in the tank than what had been sold, you knew you had a leak. The city/county/state would request these records when they inspected the pumps. Above ground tanks used a gauge that used a float in the tank with the measurements shown on a tape measure on the side of the tank(s).
@@TheCrazyMoparDude68 that is the reason why we checked at my mom's store,for an estimate of the days gallon amount difference from yesterday
@@TheCrazyMoparDude68
Wrong! There was a PASTE that you rubbed on the bottom of the stick which changed color IF it encountered water.
Pump intakes are near the bottom of the tank, so it didn’t take much to have them pump water.
@@TheCrazyMoparDude68
No, you stick the pink paste on the pole measure the depth of the fuel write that down, and then measure how much water is in the tank also. Once the water goes above a certain level, they have to send the truck to pump it out before it gets to the intakes .
You’re also supposed to stick the truck to make sure you’re getting gasoline and not water.
Most underground fuel tanks holds about 10K gallons of gas. Here in Mississippi, as part of standard operating procedure, we get a reading from the gas monitor( Veeder - Root system ) which tells us how much gas as well as water is in each fuel tank. If the water gets anywhere around 2 inches( which is somewhere around 50 gallons ) in any tank, we put in a call for maintenance to come pump the water out of the tank. Regulators from Mississippi's Department of Agriculture comes to test our system at least once a year - unless a problem has happened, and our station fails the test. The regulator will schedule a return, and if everything is not up to code, our station CANNOT sell gas until the problem has been fixed. If it has gotten to the point where a station has damaged or destroyed vehicles by selling poor grade gas, then they deserve everything that is coming to them.
One thing you missed is that " Veeder-Root system " also sounds an alarm when the water level exceeds the two inch mark . well ours did and it was the most annoying high pitch beeping , there was no way to ignore it , if the water level reached either 2 1/2 " or 3 " (forget) it would automatically place a call for maintenance . So by the next morning maintenance would simply arrive and go to work . Veeder-Root system is just a computer and the parameters can be manually changed , don't know why any attendant or owner would do that though .
@@timc333 I remember those alarms. My manager would put the call to maintenance when the water levels reached one and one - half of an inch so that we didn't have to hear the alarm. Lol.
@@samuelchappell7280 Smart guy , the mgr where I worked didn't care and would tell me to leave it go till he got in in the morning . Many night shifts I spent with the beeping , no wonder I'm jumpy , LOL.
@@timc333 I hear you. Once, while my store manager was on vacation, I had to call my District Manager if there were any problems. I told her that the levels were above 2 inches, and she almost lost it. Apparently, she heard from other stations that the inspectors were in town. She had the maintenance guys out there that morning before my shift ended. She said something to them because they kept asking me why were they NOT informed about it. I told them that my store manager called a few days earlier, but they NEVER answered nor returned her calls. They got it fixed. Inspectors checked our pumps a week later.
@@samuelchappell7280 Getting back to that Veeder-Root system , the only thing I liked about it was getting the tank reading reports from it , because it meant my shift was almost over , otherwise I despised the thing , probably because the manager did , lol.
58% ! That's one hell of a pure profit margin . Once , well shit happens , twice , someone needs to be in cuffs .
Thanks for broadcasting this. They’ll probably be under new ownership soon
We used to call it "sticking" the tanks: putting a wooden rod with water detection paste on it into the tank.
This was done every day, and also after every heavy rain event.
The same thing happened in our gas station in 2005 when we recieved our gas delivery during heavy rain and rain water got mixed up with gas thus seperating ethenol from gas and resulted in gas stranded 23 cars, gas stations do have insurance for these kind of incidents all 23 cars repairs were paid by our insurance.
Had that happen at Am/Pm ARCO and yes states do test gas pumps and purity normally it is handled by the state's weight and measurement agency.
Always, always get a receipt after buying gas and write down the mileage on the receipt, especially if you pay cash for your gas, otherwise you got nothing to prove you were even there
If the gas station has surveillance cameras (which, any more, is the standard), and cannot produce the relevant footage in court, then the plaintiff car owner would have the benefit of the missing evidence presumption at trial.
C’mon ….. it’s Camden. LOL 😂
That justifies contaminated fuel?
@@Iandheishereyes
There is a monitoring system for tanks that uses a float that doesn't float in fuels but floats in the denser water. It shows what the water level is in the tank and sets off an alarm if it rises beyond a certain level. Fuel is pumped from the tanks using a pipe that extends to about 6 inches from the bottom of the tank. Water is heavier than fuel so it settles to the bottom of the tank. The pump won't pick up any water until it gets to be about 4 inches deep in the tank. Water can accumulate in tanks due to condensation. This could form in the underground tank as the level falls as the fuel is used and moist air enters the tank. After a considerable amount of time, enough might form for the float to rise and set off an alarm. The other way to get water in the tank is a badly sealed cover. The underground tanks are filled through large pipes in the top of the tank that are located under covers in the concrete. The caps under the covers are sealed if installed correctly. If a cap isn't installed correctly or is damaged, water from rain or melting snow can enter the tank.
If the water detection alarm sets, the contractor who services the system will bring a pump setup that pumps from the very bottom of the tank to remove the water. Water and gas will not stay mixed for more than a few minutes without being stirred. Stirring can occur when a tanker truck delivers fuel. As the fuel enters the tank through a large hose, if the tank level was very low, the flow can mix the fuel with any water in the bottom of the tank which could take several minutes to settle back down. If I see a tanker in a station, I will wait until later to get fuel.
58% water? Theirs not a leak in the world big enough to get that much water in to those tanks, someones trying to make money and its not the gas station, the supplier must be recycling fuel
A good reason to ask for and save your receipt. It's good to have proof if you end up with bad gasoline and the station tries to pull the old, "We need proof that you bought it from us".
I remember that song, BLAME IT ON THE RAIN.
It's my window lol blame it on the rain lol
“Blame it on the stars, they shined that night.” Lol
INDIAN GANG 😂
I thought the same thing. 😂😂😂
If water is leaking into the tanks, is fuel leaking out?
They should be double wall tanks. So if fuel was leaking out, it would be in the space between the double walls.
How can you have this same issue again?
If you have 50% water in the tank, I'd expect that a full inspection would be required. Preferably including the uncovering of the tank.
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Somebody left the garden hose on to long.
Since cars and gas stations are designed to remove water from gasoline, there was a lot of water in it to overload both the gas station's water removal system and the car's water removal system. There all should be a water monitor system at the gas station so they should have known there was way to much water in the gas.
Worked at a gas station in high school, when you dip the tanks everyday, you put a green paste on the stick, it turns pink when exposed to water
58% water is insane
Station staff should have known
Wheres a refund?
Forget a refund, I would sue
@@DougBurgum4VP You can't sue. You ameritards don't even know your own laws.
Thats always been a hood ass gas station..it was thst way 30 years ago!!!
This particular station was worse than the multiple other gas stations nearby?
@@trentpettit6336 I see u defending this shit show of a “gas station” u must be an employee there….
Those people should get their vehicles fixed for free and then they should get 58% off anything in the store for a year
And exactly why should they get a discount? Yes they should get their cars fixed, and be reimbursed for having to take a cab or Uber, but that is really all they are owed. You are making the assumption that this was done on purpose and not an accident. It sounds like the underground tanks have a faulty seal that is allowing rain water to get into the tanks, which is hard to detect if the issue is above the usual gas level. Now the owner may be responsible more if he knew about the faulty seal and lied to the inspector about getting it fixed. But I would say that the inspector never really looked at the tank and only checked the percentage of water in the gas and said it was within normal limits.
@@TheCrazyMoparDude68 negligence , The convenience store got more doesn’t have to be 58% but apparently you’re taking this way too serious
Nope.
Some must have plumbed the rain gutter into the underground vent lines. LOL!
0:44 is that a trash bag? Wtf
Yes. Yes, it is. 😆
Welcome to 2024
Way back in the day I worked one summer at a gas station. They had a guy come in to check the underground storage tanks constantly. If they go your station is done.
This happened in my town in south Texas. Someone had left a cap off of the fill hole.
They actually make fuel/water separators for fuel pumps and tanks.
Fool me once, fool me again! Stop using that gas station!
*the city will never blame themself for the fail inspection that let it happen again.* 🤣
wtf? at 00:43 someone was walking casually with trashbag over thier body. no wonder they water down the oil
I had to go back and look. Well a trash bag would stop the wind which would keep them warm during the winter time. It would also help keep them dry when it is raining.
I would of never of went back to that station again. Hello people
That is sad 😢
ONE TIME I bought contaminated gas … cost me several thousands $$$ to have my vehicle towed to my mechanic and repairs made. Never went back to that gas station and about a year later the business was closed as people learned the owner was putting water in the gas and no one would do any business with the guy. Stop buying gas from a station that has repeated issues with their gas!!!
Seems like water may be getting in where tankers dump. Problem at that point
I have been to that gas station a few times driving out of jersey into philly. I guess I wont be stopping there again.
Exactly why i use a specific tyoe of gas. Bp, chevron, and shell.
Years ago, contaminated gas ruined my car's system, resulting in my buying another vehicle. I had no clear proof, etc. The replacement was at my own expense. My current EV at least won't be dependent on the quality of gasoline available. And, I charge my BMW iX xDrive50 all electric SUV at home with solar power.
Mine stopped recently, then was okay when 3A showed up. He asked when and where had I last filled up (that morning) and said they'd had a couple of calls that day with same problem and same station was named (not Conoco). Nice young fellow put some stuff we bought at a nearby store into fuel tank and it's been fine. We'd had rain and 3A said don't go to that station right after rain in the future.
Fontana-California, I have a feeling we have this problem too
Does weights and measures division handle EV charging stations also?
1.gas shipped in by barge and not allowed to settle and gauged for water
2. Fuel tanker company driver/loader did not inspect inside of tank compartments for foreign entity/tank dome covers left open/tank was used for different fuel like diesel and then gas loaded on top. Tank used to transport other liquids and not cleaned out.tank at terminal has exposed openings/not allowed to settle after unloading/not cleaned properly.
3. Gas station owner not maintaining equipment,has equipment issues
pretty soon- 'gas testing' devices will hit the market. People will be able to attach 'this simple device' on the end of the gas nozzle during fill up. The device will turn green if good- turn red if bad- or some of them will have an octane reading meter. You watch. OR, as an option, cars will be equipped with a 'gas quality' meter along with the normal gas gauge. The 'built-in' option is actually not a bad idea.
No, that will never happen. Problems with water getting into the gas stations tanks has been an issue since the first gas station was built. Today, it is much less a problem because of tanks getting regular inspections. There isn’t a demand for such a device that you have described, so there is no profit to be made. No profit means no product.
This is on the whoever inspected the tanks and said the problem was solved. Obviously what ever caused the water to get into the tanks was never fixed and the inspector just looked at the percentage of water in the tank after the owner said it was fixed. If there was flooding, then most likely the problem is with the caps on the fillers, they are not sealing completely.
Yeah... those are called scam devices.
@@TheCrazyMoparDude68 so then WHY would there not be a demand? I mean- if you could judge gas quality from station to station- wouldn't that be useful information? Okay- maybe there is a certain 'acceptable' level of water in gas- but not to the point where it causes the octane level to degrade.
@@Look_What_You_Did anything can be a 'scam' device; a scale, the gas pump meter itself that measures volume. If the device is from an independent reliable source- then why not have this to do a quick test while you pump. Even if its just 'test strips' that you stick in front of the nozzle for a moment and then use some kind of color chart that grades the gas quality- like we do when we test our pool water- whatever; something.
What? This isn't some everyday problem lmao that will never be a thing.
50 percent water is one hell of a leak!
Wait, what about the filters and don't they have a gauge to test for contamination? Not to mention gasoline and water don't mix. Shouldn't be hard to spot in a sample. Should it?
This is usually covered by insurance
58% water??? Holy HAIL!
Close this place down for good.
When did Conoco come into NJ?
Owners can use any major name they want
They should revoke the stations permit to operate until the problem is resolved permanently. If the tanks are collecting water, then they most likely are also leaking, and contaminating the soil the station sits on. No station should be allowed to operate when everyone who has filled up at the station has the same problem with their cars. One complaint may be an isolated incident but when everyone has the same issue with their car then there is a definite problem.
Usually get gas at a conoco where I live and hadn’t had a problem until the last two fills there. Gas mileage plummeted. Filled up at a Sunoco on last fill and mileage returned to normal. Then I saw this story. Don’t live in this area, but Hmmmm…
Under ground tank with holes/cracks allowing water to enter could very well be the issue.
Once is terrible. Twice? At a minimum, this gas station’s insurance will drop them. They need to absolutely ensure that they’ve fixed the problem before being allowed to reopen again.
Repeated flooding from the nearby Cooper river on to Admiral Wilson Blvd. over the years has probably compromised the tanks & fuel lines to them at this station. At this point think such will need to be dug up and surround area soil remediated due to fuel contamination (if water is getting into the fuel, also means the gas is leaking into the ground). Not a small undertaking but would seem to be necessary.
Water doesn't compress in your engine. It becomes like little ball bearings. There's an easy test to check for water in your tank's, we used to do it every morning...
A company in California was buying waste fuel from junkyards filtering it and mixing it with fresh fuel and selling it to gas stations.
I’ve had two bike mechanics over the last 30+ years tell me where I’ve been buying gas and where I SHOULD be buying gas because of the effect on my carbs or EFIs. They learn which stations have leaky tanks and water contamination.
STP makes an additive that will dry up the water in the fuel system or you can run a siphon pump down the fuel fill pipe and pump the gas out replacing it will a high octane fuel.
Two in two months? 😮 aint no way that amount of rain water is the cause.
Why? Because you said so?
That statement made absolutely no sense...
Welcome to New Jersey!
This actually is not all that uncommon a problem. It happens when a station receives a load of tainted gas.
it isnt the stations fault, its the supplier. Did the fuel get tainted in the trucks tank? Or at the refinery? Shell
used to send out tainted fuel here after they cleaned a tank at the refinery & not all of the cleaner was flushed
out & it tainted the next fuel that was pumped into it. ALL gas pumps have a filter which has a water sensing
valve. If your hose is running V E R Y slow, hang up that nozzle as it may suggest the fuel in the tank is tainted
OR the station is just lazy replacing their filters. A Safeway gas station near us changes their filters every 21
days but a lot of station managers dont wish to be bothered.
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Happened to me years ago in NJ. Had to had my car towed and tank emptied, cleaned a filled
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Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I never would have gone back there after the first time.
My dad used to have a gas station. I don’t know how how they stay open.
It’s a penny-pinching business.
if rain is getting into the gas supply, anyone think it's a possibility that gasoline got into the water supply or is it just a one way value designed to ruin gasoline for giggles?
10 percent ethanol 40 percent actual gasoline and 50 percent water wow you get a lot for around 4 bucks a gallon. As for me the first time they had that much water in their gas would have been the coffin nail I would have never used that station ever again
New worst nightmare unlocked 💀
C'mon, it's just another example of "shrinkflation"!😂
People don't know that water is the best.
I’m wondering why they did it again if I got caught did they not get a fine?
Probably because they didn’t add the water to the gas, it got in because of the flooding and a poor seal to the underground tanks. Everyone is claiming that the gas was added on purpose, but that would be very hard to do. It isn’t like the access to the tanks are hidden, they are in the wide open on the lot. It would be pretty damn hard to open the tanks and put a garden hose in without someone seeing. And it isn’t like it would only take a few minutes to water down the gas, it would take 20-30 minutes. Both incidents happened after there was flooding so it is most likely that there is an issue with the under ground tank that is allowing water to get in. Either from a bad seal on the filler caps, or a leak that is higher up on the tank. Most stations never fill their tanks up completely, so a leak could easily be missed if it was higher up. Who knows if the owner actually fixed something the first time, he made just have pump the gas out and got another delivery. I would hope that whoever inspected the gas after the first time looked into what repairs were done and not just test the gas again.
If people want to start somewhere, start here. Bad gas ⛽ have been happening lately. This is NOT A COINCIDENCE.
All it takes is for a bad cap on the large fuel tank or a missing cap. Then add rain, the water goes straight into the tank. Nothing criminal was going on here.
What are the police going to do, it's not a crime. The station should just shut the power to the pumps and block them off.
Think a professional environmental science company needs to be called in and determine if the FUEL tanks are leaking. LUSTs are a MASSIVE groundwater contamination concern.
Why would anyone buy gas there after the fist time???
Consider that we recently had flooding though. It’s equally as bad to not have done repairs on the tanks.
Unbeweaveable!
Does it occur to anyone else that if water could get into those tanks, then gasoline could get out of those tanks? How much contamination of the ground and the groundwater has occurred during the interim between the first incident and this one? The EPA needs to investigate and people need to be held to account.
My question is if water is getting in what's getting out that whole property is probably contaminated.
Water seeped into the gas tanks from the garden hose the owner had hooked up in the back.
58% water, in a 7-10 THOUSAND GALLON TANK. I love it when you lie to me.
Did not name owner .
Same thing keeps happening at the circle k in vernon ny