The Wilder Discussion
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3 idiots have the legacy discussion of Deontay Wilder, from his trilogy with Tyson Fury to everything else. Time to retire after Zhang?
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Wilder’s popularity is the result of Americas desperation for a heavyweight star. If he was European he’d have been scorned from the word go
Congratulations, you posted the dumbest fucking comment in boxing fandom this month 🎉
EXACTLY right.
Not just that he's American he's American and the right skin color for certain race baiting fans to get behind
100% true. Top tier American heavyweights went the way of the dodo for a good few yrs and they were scared of Europe's monopoly on the division. When Wilder finally became champion and could crack too they did everything they could to keep him as the champ and earn the WBC money thru the American fanbase. This man was protected so much that they purposely fudged their own rankings whilst klitschko was champ and beating their top rated fighters just to excuse wilder not fighting him for undisputed. Theirs articles of his camp essentially saying they have no interest in the fight and won't "throw a young fighter to the wolves".
I like wilder as a person and I'm happy that he and his family can rest comfy after what he's achieved, however, his legacy is piss poor as being one of, if not the most manufactured champ in boxing history. I have a feeling he and tyson fury will enter the Hall of Fame one day and that'll be a sad day for boxing as it is not deserved whatsoever
Yup. And a lot of Americans (particularly black Americans) were living vicariously through Wilder.
Let's not also entirely blame Malik Scott , wilder himself is at fault , listen to what Breland said about wilder , said he's untrainable , once he started KOin bums , he felt he knew more about boxing than anyone else , and Breland was told by Jay deas not to say anything to upset wilder , wilder could turn up in whatever mood at whatever time and choose not to train and nobody could do nothing about it cos they didn't want to get fired , the one time Breland did save his life , he got fired bcos of Wilder's ego . You can only teach someone who wants to learn. Malik Scott is probably not that a good of a coach , but with an attitude like that , there is No coach that is good for wilder.
He's another foreman!!! But without the bollocks, no boxing skills,no knowledge, just swings wildly and hopes
@@davidcroxford8860Have you watched any of Forenan's fights? Foreman was an absolute master technician compared to Wilder.
Wilder could have been trained by Manny Steward it wouldn't make any difference. He never listened to Breeland and he replaced him with his old sparring partner Malik cos he was a yes man and a cheerleader, just like that clown Jay Deas
@@realtruth4804he replaced Breland because Breland had nothing to offer since the Olympics. He should've dropped Breland like a sack of potatoes after his first ten pro fights
8:33 Correct. They used AJ's name for years while AJ was the only one fighting top 10 guys...and people bought it.
Wilder is the ultimate heavyweight can crusher. It was fun watching him do his thing but it's time to acknowledge he was only able to achieve what he did because of the utter lack of talented opposition and cherry picking/avoiding opponents.
He's a product of the cult of sports science nothing more
I've heard the same said of Tyson you know.
Johnny B is spot on, put him in with Washington, Szpilka, Duaphaus level guys tomorrow and he sparks them out like he used to. Put him in with better fighters who are looking to counter his one trick and he drowns.
He relied on the WBC parachuting guys in from outside the top 20 for sham defences, now he has to fight contenders and champions and has gone 0-5.
Funniest thing about this is Washington and Szpilka genuinely won every round untill they got sparked..
Facts @@Koutsimouka
Any of the current real Top 10 HWs beats Wilder, in fact probably of Top 20 beat him.
Wilder wouldn't beat anyone except on the ballroom circuit. The reason why PBC stopped promoting him was he was never any good at the box office. He was an Alabama hillbilly that Americans didn't care for.
He's overachieved. His management team deserve all the credit for overachieving compared his skill and talent.
But his training team could have added some skills.
@@DBCHeavyweightBoxingunless he was training at Wildcard he was never going to be more than what he was.
Wilders best win was against a 40yo Ortiz. His worst loss was against 41yo Zhang. That really says it all about Wilders career
A 40yo Ortiz who was kicking his ass until he got caught.
And the best result of his career was a draw against an out of shape Fury who had no right being in the ring at the time realistically.
Just chill out with bringing up their age.
@@CarltonGauss He was as well. The officials saved Wilder in that first Ortiz fight
@@MrBri0523 I'm just telling it like it is. 40yo's aren't top tier. It's scraping the barrel.
Never, ever beaten anyone genuinely good. Average resume, and no real boxing skills…he got more from his level of skill than he could’ve ever imagined possible. Not hating, nothing but respect for anyone who gets in the ring, just giving my honest opinion
Ortiz and Breazeale decent HW’s man and he flatlined them both
@@bigcncguy Ortiz was an old man and Breazeale loses every time he gets close to a title, neither of those guys were ever a world champion
@@GIBBO4182 No but people forget that Ortiz was genuinely feared at the time Wilder fought him, he was unbeaten and considered to be a ducked fighter, looked formidable in every fight he had prior to that. Saying he was a bum is honestly revisionist.
@@Verminator4 no one said “bum” apart from you. I said “genuinely good”, which he wasn’t…got found out immediately, and never returned
@@GIBBO4182 Well, I still disagree. Back then he was regarded as the best fighter not holding a world title and I think at the time that was correct. Sure, he fell off after that but I think that was as a result of him genuinely being past it at that point plus the damage inflicted on him. You have to put each performance in the proper context of its time and the Ortiz wins were impressive by that standard.
Wilders career against top level live opponents is 0-4-1. For me the only thing he can claim as a 'legacy' is he won 25%of the undisputed world title legitimately! He will be remembered as a guy with one good punch and two flamingo legs,nothing more.
Same as Mike Tyson then 0:6
True..so what does that Make Fury’s record against top level opponents?
Hate for free?
@@Parsons475 Mike Tyson beat Holmes and Spinks. Undefeated Spinks in a time when even Muhammad Ali picked him to win over Tyson. Mike has a few top wins but admittedly he went downhill too fast to truly prove himself, but then again when you have people like Lennox Lewis lowkey admitting to waiting for Tyson to being on the downhill before fighting him what do you expect? People wanted to fight Wilder but no one really wanted Tyson at his peak.
Mike Tyson's record against contenders is 0-6, so that's not saying much.
Couldnt agree more with Johnny B here, Wilder only ever fought bums and cherry picked opponents.. fraudsquad
Took Fury at his absolute worst and Fury probably should've won instead of drawn. Fury was in good shape in the 2nd Wilder fight and completely flattened him in a time when no one knew how to beat Wilder and people thought he was crazy and Wilder did better, but still got flattened in the 3rd fight when Fury still had some serious problems going on with his daughter being on deaths door.
Bumsquad
@@DrRichardKimbelI couldn't agree more! Wilder fought below par opposition for nearly 50 professional boxing matches. Getting away with ducking, conning and lying to his own very egregious and racist fanatics in order to hold the WBC title hostage for as long as he possibly could.
The minute he ran out of mediocre fighters to bowl over and he actually had to start fighting the best in the division......he got completely destroyed!
And where are all of his bullshitting fanboys now?.....Nowhere to be seen.....surprise surprise 😂
Ortiz was 30-0 and ranked top 5 heavyweight by The Ring. Zhang or Parker were no more accomplished at the time they fought Wilder. Breazeale or Helenius also fought AJ and lasted several times longer than they did against Wilder, was he only fighting bums? Wilder also would've fought Povetkin, if he did not pop. Wilder had limitations and could've had a better record , but people are also analyzing him in bad faith.
@@S-fp7uz Yh and how many elite heavyweights did Ortiz fight?
A younger, fresher world title holder in Parker lost comprehensvely to Joshua on points and was also brutally ko'd by Joe Joyce.....but then went on to completely outbox Wilder.
'Wilder would've fought Povetkin had he not popped'..... fair enough....but was unable to hide his relief about it!
Im surprised you didn't say ' Wilder would've fought Klitschko....had he not 'been still a baby in the heavyweight division' (to use a quote by Shelley Finkle) 😂
Really you should stop trying to fluff Wilders utterly atrocious resume........ because no matter how much you try to pretend hes something he never was.....its too late....he's been well and truly found out.....finally
Finkel, WBC, and Scott. Surround yourself with vultures and see what happens.
Exactly.
Didn't he KO the greatest British heavyweight of all time Audley Harrisson too? How dare anyone question his legacy...
THANK YOU! So many ppl forget this🙄
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Lol Fraudley Harrison 😂 my 4yr old could've knocked him out
@@schnozz87 How dare you. He was the UK's answer to Chuck Norris. Hard as fuck!
@@gooshie3Not as hard as John Fury! 😂
Only mistake John made was nicknaming his son 'Tyson'. Seems that all Tysons are destined to be smashed up by cruiser weights😄
@@tonysa2337 I'd pay to see Audley and John have a dance...
Deontay's downfall was when he switched trainers to Scott.
His best attribute was the right hand. Scott tried to teach him to be technical at the detriment of that right....
Too little too late for wilder by then, I think.
No lol, he was just never good
Boxrec have Wilder ranked at 36 and Fury at 4. Personally I agree , broadly speaking , with both those assessments.
Another definitive opinion from John B (with the benefit of hindsight). Absolutely none of which he has voiced prior to the Big Zhang fight. #teapot
Wilder only knocked out bums. He isn't the hardest puncher in boxing. Whenever he met anyone with a semblance of skill and class he suddenly couldn't knock them out and lost. He's more overated than Fury. The Stiverne 12 rounder was a warning. Up until Fury his entire list of opponents had a losing record overall.
What were the stats before Fury? Everyone was outside the top 50? Or was it worse than that?
Yep, a manufactured champion, but a champ non the less I guess.
@@BoyeeSmudger Yeah, can't knock the guy fighting for his disabled daughter but he is the worst long standing champion in history. His opponents before Fury were an utter joke.
He isn't/wasn't a polished boxer, but he was dangerous in a division 90% filled with 3rd raters.
@@EdwardHinton-qs4ryI wouldn’t say they were “an utter joke.” Ortiz was genuinely an avoided and feared fighter when Wilder elected to fight him the first time, Brezeale, Washington and Szpilka were all credible contenders at the time. The standard of competition for the world titles was less than what it is now but by the standards of the time his record was perfectly credible. The Joshua fight didn’t happen (IMO both parties were to blame for that) Klitschko was retired and Fury was out of the sport for a while (and when he returned Wilder was first in line to fight him and was a couple of seconds away from pulling the win off the first time around.) Aside from the AJ fight not coming together I don’t think Wilder’s pre-Fury record could have been that much better than it actually was.
Those two things can exist at the same time. He was considered the hardest hitter in boxing while having a record full of bums. It's not a hard or foreign concept in heavyweight boxing. Ortiz isn't some bum despite his old age. Also Fury isn't overrated. What are you on?
Taking Wilder's power shot out of the Fight by denying him the opportunity to use it, has revealed his inability to Box. If he could actually Box, Wilder wouldn't have been trying to guess what to do with his Left, it looked like he had a vague suspicion that he could use it as a Jab.....
Wilder walloped Hellenius when he dropped back down in grade so , NO , Fury didnt destroy Wilder. He's just NOT VERY GOOD.
Definitely time for Wilder to quit, he wasn't a great boxer, but you can't deny his power!
Propa was that your voice on that saudi card????? what a come up for you!!! well dissevered honestly
Yeah I was making something to eat then heard his voice and did a double take lol
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Wilder is a typical American Marketing product
Hard to sell outside the US?
@@DBCHeavyweightBoxing yup😂
@@DBCHeavyweightBoxing They felt the heat of that one all the way in the White House.
Jared Anderson next
Finally sense is being spoken about Wilder. Wilders purses were below $1.5m until Ortiz fight. Fury purse vs Klitschko £600k. There was no market outside of an AJ fight. WBC and PBC worked closely to keep that last heavyweight belt stateside. Finally needed a legit name to start earning big bucks. Tried to cherry pick Fury. Massive load of flannel promotion drive that media jump on board with. All built around AJ ducking both fighters, and this is no1 and 2 in the world. Karma caught up on him legacy wise, but earnt more than he was worth. If he was anything other than American in their Hweight draught we wouldn't of heard of him.
When Wilder “knocked out” Malik Scott , he’s on the floor rolling around land he glances up to see what’s going on! 😂😅
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All credit to wilder for making it this far. I feel like he fell in love with his power to such a degree that he didn't feel it necessary to really learn the sport. Power without a decent delivery system isn't worth much, innit.
He should retire. He doesn't need anymore batterings, followed by a ko. At the end of his career these fights are brain killers. Ppl can rightly have a go but you could say Wilder made the best of limited talent coupled with a huge heart, he fights to a standstill or gets ko'd, he's a warrior, no doubt. The cab driver is well over the top.
The double-standard for Fury is kinda wild. You can't say he also would've dealt convincingly with Brazeale, Stiverne, Liakhovhich, Ortiz, Helenius and so forth when he went life or death or won questionably against McDermott, Ngannou, Pajkic, Cunningham, which were not more accomplished than Wilder victims. Thats like saying Fury would've gotten at least a bronze medal in the olympics, it's not an assumption he earned.
Aside from Fury winning the rivalry their resumes are comparable with Wilder having a big advantage in quantity and Fury having the Klitschko win. Fury did not do any better against top 10-20 ranked guys than Wilder and was more inconsistent. A knockdown and a controversial SD against a 38-year old debutant is WAY more embarassing than any of Wilders losses.
On the other hand the Klitschko win is much more impressive than any of Wilders. Fury beating Wilder is the only thing elevating him above the Bronze Bomber.
Exactly. Talking about the resumes is pointless. This era of heavyweight is much weaker than the 90s and 80s
@@jancyvargheese5351 I think it's a mixture, it's just that even in this era both had trouble beating the best opposition available. Like the 80s are usually considered weaker than the 70s and 90s but at least the two stand-outs of the 80s in Larry Holmes and Mike Tyson both consistently fought and won top 10 guys, regardless of if these top 10 guys were as good as those in other eras. Basically it's only really worth comparing how someones era stacks up against others once it's become clear that they've actually dominated their own era.
@@S-fp7uz The top guys in this era won't fight each other. Hopefully Turki puts an end to this stupid era by finally getting all the rivals in the ring together.
Yessss keep making these longer please lads
6:05 Wilder was nearly 36 years old when he lost the third fight with Fury. You can't compare getting destroyed at that age to Dubois losing to Joyce, Tyson losing to Douglas or AJ losing to Ruiz. The former two were still in their early 20s when they lost.
Dubois still needs to work on defence, while he is young taking those big shots to the head will certainly age him real fast
@@HorridOnlineTrollYep, he wears too many mate.
@@HorridOnlineTrollHe only won his last fight by constant headbutting
@@woahblackbettybamalam Oh no. Hrgovicells are still coping.
I do think this needs to be mentioned more. Wilder is just empty now. Gave it all and left it all in that last Fury fight.
Thank you for being honest! Name 5 noteworthy opponents of Wilder that aren’t in his last 3 fights…. Right…
Ortiz, Stiverne, Chris Areola. Believe it or not - Gerald Washington was considered a good prospect before his loss to Wilder.
@@procerator A prospect… 😭😭
His best win: a 50y old Ortiz 😂
@@MorningWoodFairy Right! 🤣 Out of 44 fights… People can barely name FIVE people that are noteworthy wins and even those five are hardly considered noteworthy… C’mon man! 😅
@@MorningWoodFairy a lucky win at that
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I’m gutted that Wilders career is over. I wanted AJ to be the one to end it. That fight needed to happen! They should have fought for undisputed but Wilder rejected multiple career high paydays and called it slave wages and then rejected 120 million from dazn!! But they should have fought each other on the day of reckoning card. I’ve got a feeling that AJ Vs Fury won’t ever happen either.
AJ would have made the Ngannu knockout look like a bedtime kiss if he fought Wilder
Fairplay to Wilder for achieving what he did, coming late in to boxing with limited skill and fighting to secure his kids future, boxing was a better, more exciting place with him in it but I can’t help but think that he only has himself to blame in not securing his legacy with a refusal to work on his boxing IQ and just rely on one punch KO’s. A shame really, he could have been unbeatable with the right attitude.
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Finally someone calling out fury resume!
Fury and wilder and finally being shown up for what they are!
Fair play to Wilder, he managed to become a World Champ and must have earned enough to hang up his gloves and say thanks and it's a goodnight from me
Wilders biggest weapon was always the self belief that he had and as soon as fury beat him twice it went
I remember wilder saying tyson fought nobodies.
Wilder fought tomato cans.
I guess Michael Sphinx, Razor Rudduck, Evander Holyfield, and Lennox Lewis are all "nobodies" then. Wilder is delusional on top of being a can crusher.
Both Tyson and Wilder are overrated
Which Tyson?
@@TheStraightestWhitest the tyson. Iron mike
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Dillian Whyte is his last hope
Good shout or possibly Ruiz
I'd tune in for that
I still want to see AJ v Wilder, sure it has lost almost all it's lustre but we deserve to see it.
Wilder, like Joshua, has so much potential. They just need to be with the right coach. I'm talking Derrick James or Bomac
5:35 Love the way it sounds personal with Johnny B because wilder made him flip flop twice 😂 this is my definitely one of my favourite channels at the moment!
Excellent banter lads. Wilder had always been entertaining up to the Fury fights, but his skill set has always been pony ! Shout out to Malik Scott for turning Deontay Wilder into Malik Scott.!!😉 Bless up 🥊 🥊🥊
Gotta agree with this Johnny B fella. I used to post on boxingscene and even years ago I said Wilder was an absolute joke. His best win was Ortizwho himself never had the best opponents. I just miss the fact we didn't see AJ pummel him!
I really used to dislike wilder, he should have never pushed for the third Fury fight, it destroyed him mentally, now i just feel sad for him, hes a shell of himself
You don't need to feel sorry for him. He's in his late 30s and it's not unusual for fighters to decline at that age. Even the likes of Muhammed Ali lost more fights towards the tail end of their careers. Wilder has made lots of money while keeping his health. He'll enjoy the rest of his life in luxury. He'll be alright!
Well said Boyz, 💯 correct......
Wilder has the best management and a stout social media backing from the LDBC. the man fought Louise ortiz e in his 40th fight or some ridiculous number like that, everyone he fought before that was some obscure no good. While people like AJ fighting for a title in his 16th fight.
Wilder versus Dillian Whyte
Yes, that would be a good matchup to watch.
The knockout was like when George mcfly punched biff
That first Fury v Wilder fight was one of Tyson's best, technically, I thought.
I liked that Tyson Fury! So entertaining.
It was the second one that was Fury's best performance to date.
A legend when it comes to dives and fixed fights.
You boys are on it with breland
Lets go. My morning sorted boys. I’ll say this about the fight. I’ve always hated Deontay Wilder. He was a terrible champion, and his resume is wank. But saying that, I genuinely felt bad for him. He’s not the same person after the Fury loss. His whole demeanour and mojo is different.
Hearing your voice on the saudi card.....shouting BIG UP PROPA BOSH!!!!
Going over the top lol, he achieved more than most boxers ever will
You summed it up well; I respect Wilder as a man. and as a warrior with great heart & a massive right hand. As a boxer he’s never been elite level but he’s not a dud either. Stiverne & Breazeale & Helenius are average but not bums, especially Helenius. Actually nobody who steps in that Ring should be called a bum IMO. Anyways, the guy has found “peace,” he has his family & $30 million, so good luck to him & thanks for those spectacular moments.
Amazing he turned down $120 million though.
I mean idk man it was only a matter of time before the “Experience” gap started to show. If he wasn’t in there 100% of the time trying to catch up his technique to the rest of the competition, as he rose up… I mean it is what it is. Good show, awesome puncher, but this fight really showed the difference in experience.
Brutal commentry on Wilder but true. It was an exciting time when he was pole axing fighters though…..
Is it me or does Johnny B sound like Dapper Laughs 🤣
I’d call for some baseline fucking respect for these boxers. It is obvious that in comparative terms Wilder’s record isn’t that strong, he did dodge some fights, and the people we usually discuss are notably better at him. However to badmouth a boxer probably retiring is pretty fucking vile in my opinion.
The list of active boxer better than Wilder is still pretty damn short: in the sense that wast majority of the people talking shit probably are not part of said list.
The idea that ”anyone” could go and get knocked out is flat out wrong. It’s good to remember that all professional heavyweight boxers you see in a ppv stream throw punches that, for most of us, are best compared car crashes. ”Weak chin” in that context is still freakishly strong. So the average fans chin isn’t glass, it’s a flake of dried paint.
Out of the ones still is convinced they would go for this opportunity, wast majority are simply not given the privilege. They are nowhere good enough boxer to get to that side of the ring. The fact Wilder got there is something wast amount of boxers will never reach.
He didn’t simply ”show up” and have others raise some marketing BS to provide better life for his daughter. He became one of the best boxers in the world. Doesn’t matter if you think he is top 20 or top 50 that’s still a monumental achievement.
He was in great shape, beat the count after taking the worst punches humanity has to offer, and knocked out many who had worked their ass off day after day. He chose a hard ass route to walk for the sake of his daughter, because that was likely the only route he had even a chance to walk through to earn that kind of money.
And he did walk that route. He trained his body, trained his mind, and reached a level most of the few who even dare to attempt will never succeed in reaching. He did something very near impossible to provide for his daughter.
It is reasonable to point out the baseless hype around him, his padded record and the level of fighters he never managed to beat. But to speak as if this guy just got lucky or was a fraud just make you sound like a gigantic asshole.
Could everyone at least recognise he was a professional athlete? Literally one of the best in the world. Something so many kids dream of, yet only select few adults can ever be. Going to work for your daughter is admirable, but it’s nothing like what Wilder did.
I agree man. I don’t get why people hate wilder so much besides the padded record
This podcast would be half as good without the 'Fackin Fackins' 😂😂
In a boxing tierlist the likes of ali and lewis are tier 1.
The likes of klitschko are tier 2.
The likes of fury are tier 3.
The likes of wilder are tier 4.
Wilder's opponents are way below tier 5 for the majority of his career. Got a present of a draw v fury then got shown up. He only took fury cos he was 2 years on the couch and thought it would be another easy win.
Who has fury really beat besides an old klitschko? Chisora 3 times? 😂
Aj, love him or hate him, at least he fought everyone who would fight him.
Heavyweight boxing was poor when klitschko was around. He was above everyone, amd it maxe it boring. This era has been of poorer quality than every era besides the klistchko era but they would have had an exciting era regardless if they had all fought eachother in their primes.
Overall, worse era of heavyweight boxing imo. Could't wait to see the back of wilder and fury. Hopefully heavyweight boxing can recover and we see the top fighters actually fight eachother.
Fights we never saw...
Fury v aj
Aj v wilder
Name another generation where the supposed top 3 fighters never laid a glove on eachother until they were past their primes!?! Absolute joke of an era... and they earned way more than any other era. Boxing fans allowed this to happen by buying into fury v chisora 3 etc. Recently been "spoiled" by turki? Nah, if you are starving then any decent meal would be amazing, and we have been starved for decades!
Rumour has it that Fury's offered Wilder $20m to officially retire for good, citing significant damage to Fury's resumé
Wilder's legacy will be his KO highlight reel, regardless of the calibre of opponent he faught.
I DO AGREE WITH WHAT HAS BEEN SAID BUT I WOULD OF LIKED TO HAVE SEEN WILDER AGAINST ZANG AND PARKER B4 FURY JUST TO SEE IF HIS KILLER INSTINCT WAS STILL THERE IT DOES COME ACROSS THAT AFTER FURY HIS SOUL WAS GONE UK DRILLERS 6.6
To be fair Wilder has always said, "I only need to be good for 2 seconds" or something close to those words.
And in this fight he couldn't even do that.
Except his only good for 2 seconds has shown to not work against dudes with good chins they just clatter the big dumb idiot
And he does only need that time. But the good boxers don't give him so many chances, and he needs 4 seconds now.
The guys an Olympic bronze medalist have some respect.
What an ending!
Fury Vs Wilder trilogy is up there with Gatti Vs Ward and Hagler Vs Hearns
All good points...so if wilder is seriously overrated, that means fury has fought only 1 decent fighter,klitchko. Ive been saying that all along.
And a 40 yr old klitschko at that
Thank you gents for saying what I've been consistently saying about both Fury but especially Wilder.
Both warriors, but let's be honest, it's been 6 years of the Pride land of boxing being dried up with nothing but fake AJ call outs to boost their profiles, ducking fights and messing up Undisputed. I'm so happy that foolish saga is now over with.
Now let's see the real ones pop up and the true depth of the division show itself
Lucky man..the Ringo Starr of boxing.
Wilder chose Malik. He wanted a YES man, and he got it. This is on him.
To play devil’s advocate, we need to remember that Joe Louis’ now legendary 25 defenses was littered with tomato cans that famously inspired the phrase The Bum of the Month Club. Wilder in the immediate aftermath of these losses is being called out for not being a great champion, but I think that KO record will help him be remembered fondly by history much like how most gloss over many of Louis’ questionable fights and look instead at the still unbroken streak of 25 defenses.
Even still, Wilder got Bronze in the Olympics and he was never dishonest about why he was in the sport. It was for his daughter. Maximizing his money was always the aim. I would argue that if we’re measuring based on Wilder’s intentions, then he utterly succeeded and the purses from Fury 1 (one could even argue from Ortiz 1) to his recent loss to Zhang prove that.
Right now, after such humiliating losses, he’s getting picked apart. But I think Wilder will be remembered fondly retrospectively. He might even end up a Hall of Famer after all is said and done.
Thing is Louis also had many wins against stellar opponents and held his own even as he got older it's not that guys like Louis had bums on their record it's that they actually fought and beat talented boxers when push comes to shove, Wilder has not he is a cult of sports science product that can only beat other cult of sports science products and he falls apart against anyone with even an ounce of actual ring IQ I say an ounce cause even the guys that did beat him or were clattering him before he got lucky with a wild swing are not on what should be the level of technical skill and physical ability for the premiere divison of boxing
The difference with Louis is that he fought EVERYONE and beat most of them. Wilder was steered clear of all his most dangerous contemporaries for the longest time and when he was finally forced to start fighting quality opposition he folded each time. Comparing the two of their careers is laughable.
@@hewhoshallnotbenamed5168 never mind Louis was a technical genius in the ring who never wasted a step and Wilder is just a flailing angry fish and if through magic they could have a fight it would be one of the most savage one sided beatings Wilder would have ever received by a man who was smaller and lighter but had real thunder in his gloves
Not disagreeing on Wilder not being what he’s advertised. What I am saying is that boxing is notoriously nostalgic. People remember records more fondly than in the present. Both Klitschkos were called boring, but are looked at more positively as we get farther away from their era. Larry Holmes wasn’t exciting enough. Bowe and Holyfield were bums for never facing each other. I think Wilder is going to be remembered more fondly as the career gets further in the rearview.
@@frankygonzalez5475 I'm not so sure about that. Also, Holyfield and Bowe fought each other 3 times.
BUUUUUUUM SQUAD
He’s old. Old. It’s as simple as that. Muhammad Ali was cooked at 38 too.
When a truly descent fighter turns pro, most knock out their opposition coming up through the ranks. It’s when they make a step up in quality their opponents are tougher with better chins so knockouts are less frequent. This is Wilder, he’s been knocking out bums but when he finally fought worthy opponents he’s been found out. Wilder has talked a lot of shit over the years as has Fury and they have both blagged the world and denied us of top fights based on their trilogy fights.
The only thing that could make this podcast better would be if they could do it with video like joe rogan
There is no wilder discussion. The end.
Brazile and the Nordic guy took a bunce of money they were ready for a payday to leave the fight game. As soon as Wilder comes up against a fighter that wants to be in the industry he loses.
haha were you guys alluding that helenius took a dive against wilder?
Love a Propa video i do.
Deontay Wilder Boxing Record when he started to fight Top Contenders with quality Boxing Records
5 -4- 1
Wilder only got into boxing in order to provide a better life and treatment for his daughter..........so job done mission accomplished so fair play nuff respect. I think he then got caught up in the hype. He was never a boxer he was a brawler at best with a massive right hand.
Wilder should have had a couple fights at bridgerweight.
Johnny is absolutely correct,absolutely correct, I do not rate wilder none none at all.
lol! you guys all picked wilder vs zhang..........
Great win against Audley Harrison mind😂 Shelly Finkel is a clever sly business man.
8:30 which fighters aren’t fighting for their kids/family lol
Wilders daughter was born disabled, which is what he was trying to say. Wilder got into boxing at the age of 20 to make money for his daughter. 20 is a late age to start in boxing. Most boxers start at like 7 or 9
No we all were not fooled
Wilder achieved the most any man who cant box could achieve as a pro boxer. It was always bullshit. They hyped him up cos the US hasn't had a top HW for 20rs and he was the best they had
All of haters of Wilder are right.
Still, Wilder did what he did.
He might not have been best champion, but he was a champion.
He might not have had very good boxing skills, but he outboxed piles of other professionals who had dedicated their life to the sport.
Come on haters.
You've said your piece.
We know.
You're right.
You can relax a little bit,
and give the guy a little space.
😘
Wilders been done since the ortiz fight. Was obvious to anyone that he'd get done by an actual top 10 heavyweight. Malik Scott isn't at fault at all. Looked gun shy before him in the ortiz fights.Even in the first stivern fight he looked gun shy. Nothing has changed with wilder apart from skill level of opponents
I'm no wilder fan he's lost that 10% speed maybe power but on way down sorry was good at what he done !?! 😎
Damm
His best win was Ortiz. The remainder of his wins has been against basketball players and binmen 😂
I think AJ would rather fight Dubois than Zhang.
Zhang is a massive danger to anyone in the first 6 rounds with the exception of Usyk.
John is right wilder has not fought a world top ten fighter until he fought fury when he came back from his weight loss and his issues and wilder saw that as a win I reckon. . Finkle and arum kept wilder away from all the top 5 for years for a fact. He can’t box he’s got no chin. He’s been found out late on in his career when should been stopped years ago. He’s fought dustman all his career then when Saudi got involved he saw dollar signs dobis aj and the rest would put wilder in hospital if he gets hit clean on the chin all day long fury don’t hit has hard as aj
That god someone else said it so sick of the fury fights took a lot out of him narrative