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Good thing you didn't make this video before Fury vs Wilder ever took place,😂 their fights together probably wouldn't have happened if they knew the Propa truth.😂
@@mickyblue9658 damn for sure it's embarrasing i never saw someone like this... Just saw a short where he talks about tyson fury being helped by the judge when he was knock down... "The referee was like : eight, niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine.....!" while the judge this count perfectly and normally.... Wilder is petyfull
@TheChattounet tyson fury is banned from America fro drug trafficking affiliations with Irish drug lord Daniel Kinahan Bob Arum paid Daniel Kinahan 8 millon dollars in "consultant fees" Lol 😂We know fury is a cheater and criminal, this is why he wont fight Usyk. Hes fighting a clown fight in Nagannou
@@eduvivan2562 Against complete nobody's. Fury absolutely demolished him which was his only real challenge to date. You saw his record? All his fights were against people who were like "top 150 to top 400 and mostly UNRANKED". LOL
Ruiz is a decent boxer but he's deliberately staying inactive to keep his ranking after the sudden jump up the rankings he gained from the AJ win . He had the world in his hands after that but lacked discipline to capitalise on it . Personally I don't think he deserves to be "gifted" a second chance now he's actually in shape . Rankings are a joke
@GHOST-mv3ki of course he does , he flung away his winnings celebrating his AJ win. He could have went so much further, he needs to work his way back to big payday fights now in my opinion. He seems like a good guy but totally delusional now
Wilder doesn’t want the fight and Ruiz ants a massive payday that he doesn’t deserve, it’s why he’s calling out Fury and AJ, he just wants a massive payday that he’s done nothing to warrant £20m. Fuck that
@@umarrazvi Google it. It was a Dazn deal for 2 AJ fights and then a 3rd fight I don't remember the details of. Also, Wilder admitted that he turned down another 50 mill so that he would fight Fury for much less
He beat two common opponents of AJ, kod them in the first, took AJ multiple rounds to win. Wilder proved he can catch even the most technically sound boxing, in Ortiz, and Fury. AJ doesn't have the heart to push through adversity anymore when he gets hit hard, Wilder IS going to Catch AJ at some point if they fight, Wilder showed he has the kill or be killed attitude, aj doesn't. Wilder will ko AJ. Even his own network and Hearn paid guys says AJ doesn't look very good, and Wilder will probably beat him if they fight and this version of AJ shows up.
I don't see many people call him the baddest though, with Fury and Usyk being generally considered superior and people like Zhang or Ruiz are considered a real challenge.
i think its all about the eye test. we can see how fast and brutal wilders punches are compared to aj. results are not the only way to judge a fighter. stuff like punching speed show up no matter who the oponent is.
When the best person on his record is Ortiz, when Ortiz was 137 years old and even in Ortiz prime was not very highly rated, you know Wilder is not as good as people claim.
I been saying it for years, Wilder exists to validate Fury, he's actually a terribly poor fighter but as long as he stays out of the ring, Fury reigns as the best. Heavyweight boxing is a contrived joke with numerous people pocketing money for their own interests.
Well the Fury Wilder fights were the best fights I've ever seen in my nearly 30 years on this earth. The Ngannou fight featured a couple hard punches but it was kinda boring. I think Fury is gonna retire before another heavyweight with the same elan as Wilder comes out. And I don't think Wilder will ever recover his mojo to fight like he used to, a lot of nerds call that no technique but I know what I was seeing that was a man who knew he couldn't get knocked out. Then he did get knocked out so he's never gonna be that same boxer.
The biggest problem with these guys is that they only look for big fights the spectacles rather than trying to stay active and be great They’re literally murdering the sport with their inactivity and greed
I like when men can leverage their being and make a ton of money. You call it greed but you're not getting hit. If their was ever a point where you did box, who are you????. No one. That's who. So who is being greedy here??? The guys risking their lives at the top or you, on a youtube comment section..... bitching. ??? I love when millionaires from different cloth are made. Fury, Wilder, Ruiz, are not your typical millionaires they are much better. Work harder and have more character. Definitely more than you. The youtube commenter. My point here is that these are not slaves and you are a frickin nobody. Ngannou is gonna be a multimillionaire soon too, I bet that makes you livid. LMAO. He's not even a boxer. Genius. You better hope they bring back mandingo fighting. The way you sound. All these rich ethnic gentleman being made. Boxing is the sport to showcase your talents and make a huge bag doing it. You hate that? Watch UFC. Men of all backgrounds broke af can become millionaires by giving it their all when its worth the effort, ie money fights. You can watch amateur boxing too if you really want to watch the men and women hustle and build a rep.
Yup, Fury fought an old Klitchko and Wilder 3 times, that's it. He'd still be ducking Usyk and putting in zero effort in unifying the titles if everyone wasn't up in arms about it. Hell he still might duck Usky after getting beat up by Ngannou, he probably only scheduled the fight for December because he knew he wouldn't be in fighting shape by then, needed an excuse to delay it.
i didn't realise how amazing his management team was to get him a world title shot with only 2 wins against top 100 ranked fighters and NONE in the top 40. then after winning the belt i don't think he defended it against even 1 mandatory because Dillan Whyte was rank 1 for 3.5 years of Wilders 5 year rule.
@@ianmetcalfe7389 also stiverne was ranked no 1 contender for the wbc in 2017 when wilder rematched him and knocked him out. But yeah a lot of the fighters he fought were top 10-15 wbc rankings during that time and eventually fell off as better fighters came on the scene 😂
Wilders best win is Ortiz. It would be interesting to see how he does against top 5 fighters (other than Fury). Maybe he KO’s them, or maybe he gets exposed The issue is I don’t think he wants to risk finding out - so that he can keep his fearsome reputation
first win over Stiverne is underrated as well, he boxed to a gameplan in that one and didn't have to rely on the get out of jail free right hand.@@Rumpleforeskin77
@@topsuperseven7910yeah because people who say "wtf" and "lol" aren't internet kids eh. Actually say something, give an opinion to show you know anything about boxing to prove you're not one of them.... Retard.
The weirdest thing about Wilder is his rabid online fan base that attack anyone who calls out his pathetic resume and build up his power to mythical proportions, someone who would put George Foreman down easily, most devastating power in history etc. Genuinely believe the vast majority of his fans aren’t boxing fans and have just watched reels of his knockouts of (less than) journeymen and believe his ‘equaliser’ can put anyone down. Put him in the 90s and he’s get destroyed. Klitschko would’ve made a fool of him and even now in his shattered state Joshua would beat him. Also think of the mindset of a fighter who cherry picks opponents so far down in rankings most aren’t even top 40 and dodges fighting a dominant figure like (an aging)Klitschko who was there for the taking to build your legacy. Just think of that. Most want to fight the best and test themselves. Wilder only fought Fury as he believed he was washed up, if Fury never had his breakdown the fight wouldn’t happen. It’s funny the shit Mayweather gets for ‘ducking’ fighters but just compare him to Wilder in who he chose to fight. Pathetic.
True, although I think most remaining Fury fans are just the same. As were many of the more fanatical AJ fans, until he lost and they changed their loyalty to Usyk.
The only reason why they are in their position in the first place is because they were given the opportunity. Fighting purely for money is one thing but relishing in not moving the sport forward is embarrassing.
I remember noticing wilder's career back in 2012, he must have been at least like 25 and 0 and still fighting absolute cream puffs. It was so clear they weren't at all confident in stepping him up.
It reminded me of watching Tommy Morrison back in the early 90s. Morrison destroyed one club fighter after another and had all of these quick wins, and then he stepped up against Ray Mercer and Ray almost took his head off.
SMH Wilder started boxing at 20!!!! and won a bronze medal in the heavyweight division at the 2008 Olympics. do you understand how impressive that is use some logic if you start Boxing at 20 it would make sense it would take some time to fully develop and master your skills and not rush your fighter into dangerous fights.
Wilders professional career up until about 2015 was more like an amateurs' career. He had a daughter that with a medical condition so he needed to fight for money so they took it very slow. At the 2018 mark, he couldn't get any of the top guys in the ring with him. The whole Joshua debacle was all Eddie Hearns fault. They priced Joshua out of the fight every single time. No where in the history of boxing have you ever had 2 undefeated heavyweight champions fighting for undisputed where the "a" side did not give the "b" side a % split. I personally favored Joshua at that time, but Hearn just wouldn't put him in there with him.
First time I saw him, I was excited about having someone like that on the boxing horizon. Then I watched him for awhile. I started saying: "You know....someday Wilder's going to run into someone who knows how to box, and he's going to be in trouble." Well, you know what happened. I also saw what kind of a guy he was, and found myself rooting for anyone who might beat him. I wasn't a Tyson Fury fan before Wilder. Now I am.
1:16 No one can deny he’s a huge puncher, but look how man times he misses a guy that isn’t even moving! He’s a dreadful *boxer* who doesn’t have a plan B
He’s a knockout artist and arguably the greatest ko artist ever. Some of his miss punches are set ups and meant to take away and control his opponent. Wilder is also the best at guard manipulation too.
@@hydewizard instead of being humble say nun shit but act like they right. Yall don’t know boxing stay your stupid ass from the sport. Are y’all each other’s alt.
He got quite a scare when he faught Ortiz the first time and actually went into the gym to learn how to box a bit. After Fury, hes definitely improved a lot, you can definitely see a difference in his boxing ability compared to whenhe was Windmill Wilder. His record is the most padded iv seen of any top ranked HW though; the first 25 (or more) fights were against absolute bums. Boxing Bros did a series of videos titled "Its time to audit Wilders resume" if anyones interested, really funny.
Not forgetting Ortiz had him out on his feet so he ended being awarded illegal recovery time after the round and then only managed to get Ortiz out of there with multiple illegal moves, given that he knows nothing about boxing he most likely has no idea that hitting the back of the head, hitting with the inside of the glove and hitting while holding are all illegal.
@@paulies5407 i get your point, but he definitely looked better at the start of wilder fury 3 than he had ever looked prior. also can't really blame him for not being able to show off his skillset when he hits like a tank and hellenius basically falls over from any decent shot nowadays, especially if hes running into it like he did vs wilder
It's absolutely crazy to hear that someone turned down 100 million to fight someone. Madness. For 100 million I'd fight King Kong and Godzilla on the same night. Twice. And then I'd happily go cash my check in my gold rimmed wheelchair ♿️
His oppanents have been the same as Joshua’s first 10-12 then Joshua stepped it up and he carried on fighting at same level so hence his knockout ratio has been so good
Joshua and Ruiz will not fight Wilder, Wilder would legit KO both of them within 4 rounds, Fury is a better boxer than them both and Wilder put him on his ass multiple times.
@@Zaelda you’re basing this on what exactly? What is wilder’s best win? Wilder has been stopped in 2 of the last 3 fights. Fury isn’t a big puncher for a heavyweight
Great video Propa! The funny thing about all this for me is that Wilder losing to AJ would also show up just how bad Tyson Fury's padded/protected resume is too.
Wilder is a bum. Outside of Fury, he has fought literally no one of note. At least Mayweather fought fighters of note. Most were way past their primes but that's another story on another overrated fighter for another day.
Wilder is just an average talent fighter with a good punch . He never would have made it in the 90's , with fighters like Tyson , Lewis , Bowe . That has been his advantage that their hasn't been a really good ! heavyweight in a long time . Imo it makes most of the current fighters look better than they really are . They never had to fight a really great .. heavyweight .
I've said something along the lines of this for awhile, This is the reason I won't blow fury's trumpet as well, seems wilder is half of fury's resume, fury is also half of wilders resume, with ortiz being the other half who wilder went life and death with and the best anyone could say about ortiz is in his prime he might of just got into the top ten, solid fighter but never got into position to prove anything, personally I think he would likely give most champs a good fight but lose on points, someone like klitscho/AJ would KO him late. ortiz had most of his best fights after wilder outside his prime, many would say ortiz was passed his best when he fought wilder tbh, not something I'd argue about for or against, either way ortiz has had his best fights in the last 3 years and he's definitely passed it at his top level by then if not before wilder. Fury beat a 40 YO klitscho, fair enough fury was a level above him on the night and klitscho looked very off, fury does have this effect though, but he then dodges the rematch with an injury and then gets a suspended drug ban, the drug ban was a dodgy one on both sides frankly, fury paying people off, nearly bankrupting ukad. But getting popped for elevated levels of nandrolone metabolites is frankly a reach, something nobody with money or sense would take for a PED,, They also tried to do him for failing to prove a sample, which later got dropped. Personally I think all fighters are doping, some more than others, there's a tolerated amount/type, EPO and similar things aren't tolerated, either way you only have to look at hughie fury who got popped for the samething at the sametime to know they were doping, that backacne is a dead give away, anyway my point is this was political anyway, that's why fury's a different guy now, all polished and fake like AJ use to be, just with some character enough for casuals to like him with his bullshit stories. Months before the WHyte fight was 100%, I said fury is going dodge usyk, nearly 2 years later he's still not fought anybody good and fighting a UFC fighter for money without his belt on the line, not very confident, we'll see if fury is a legitimate champion in the next year or not, beating whyte and chisora means nothing other than getting some gatekeepers on your record, anyone in the top ten should beat them comfortably. fury and his team know usyk isn't a good match up for them, hence why DDD got a shot, similar size to uysk, easier to hit to the body, which is clearly a weakness for usyk, they were hoping DDD would have a miracle and pull it off to make that inhouse fight, Wouldn't surprise me if fury dodges usyk again and they're just using his name promote fury's next fight, but fury is in a corner now, most people don't believe his shit anymore, if he dodges again that's all his credibility gone, I think his card with nagenou isn't going to be the money maker they betted on. I think usyk will edge a win on fury, they both have alot of similarities in style, both reserve power, mix up punches but usyk does everything better, feints with his feet more, pressures amazingly, has far better reactions, people say fury moves like a middleweight and all other crap, (yes he moves good for a big man, but remember this division mostly moves like there stuck in the mud in comparison) Usyk will show what moving like a middleweight really looks like when he's in with fury, it will likely be a similar fight to fury vs klitscho, but higher paced and be a closer affair, usyk has a better gas tank, he routinely fights at a higher pace, I see people saying fury will go to the body blah blah and end it in 2 rounds, try hitting someone 6 inches smaller who's changing angles and height alot to the stomach, its difficult, fury's height will 100% work against him for this, not to mention I think usyk hits hard enough to get anybody's respect, fury isn't going to bulldoze him, if he tries he'll get timed and buzzed, maybe put on his arse.
The funny thing about Wilder is how whoever was managing him completely failed to make him a draw in the US before Fury showed up. You have a guy who is technically inferior to the top heavyweights, but still dangerous to anyone because of his amazing right hand - he should have been huge in the States. That's a story any competent promotor could work with. Even if he only fought bums, have him follow in Joe Louis' footsteps and fight a bum every month. Put him on every card you can find. Travel the world knocking out cabbies.
Deontay is not marketable. Guys like Pacqioua, Fury, are more charismatic and marketable. Most of Fury fights before his title match were not even in vegas.
Because he looks like a total fucking muppet throwing all those windmilling punches, it’s fucking embarrassing so much that even to the casuals it looks amateurish. That and he’s a total idiot as a person.
Deontay started boxing late in life he has a tremendously powerful punch with both hands his lack of movement and counterpunching skill only showed up when he fought Fury; but his power makes him a legitimate contender for certain.
@@xv4373such a pointless comment. You don’t have to be the best in the world at something to have an opinion on it, sport especially is literally for the public to watch and comment on. Presumably you don’t have any opinions on things you’re not the best in the world at? So you have no opinions at all or you’re a hypocrite.
Can you blame him? lmao nobody wants to fight him, Ruiz out priced himself 3x and Eddie Hearn won't allow Aj to throw down with Wilder. Furys the only boxer who had the balls to take him on.
@@that8968 didn’t watch the video then? Wilder turned down £100 mil to fight AJ. He dodged everyone until he thought he caught Fury at the right time, but he was wrong.
@@RandyRodgirth He turned down 100 Mil after Eddie Hearn disrespected him with a low ball offer until he found out how much the fight was really worth. Then Wilder turned it down and went to fight Fury who just came off of a win lmao Don't act dense. Wilder has alawys shown to be a prideful individual. Same reason why he sued Fury to get a 3rd fight
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He has another channel called "This Is Propa!" Where he does cover other sports. He doesn't do as much content though on his sister channel, but it is still hilariously funny. Check it out mate!
You’d never heard of the WBC heavyweight champion of the world? 😂 Even if you’re just a casual fan, surely you know who the champions are. Go watch something else, fella.
Get your head out the matchroom clouds the reason AJ vs Wilder isn't agreed is the same reason AJ vs Fury wasn't agreed last December when Queensberry offered everything they wanted.
@@darrenslater6327 The reason is very clear both Fury and Wilder have ducked Joshua, they have made money avoiding the risk that is AJ . On the other hand AJ has fought far higher opponents and lost because of this FACT.
He _was_ that good, or at least on his way to being. Back in the day before he was champ, he was shockingly patient, usually led with a tent pole jab and used it to set up his offense, even if there was still a quite bit of slop. He was making his way up, it's to be expected to a degree. I attribute a lot of that early promise to Breland. It was after he beat Stiverne and started buying into his own hype that the skill and fundamentals he did have eroded and he just loaded up every shot.
@@FightTheByte_ Exactly. It's a damn shame, when he was working his way up the ranks he was seriously one of the most promising Heavyweights I'd seen in years and years. If only he'd had a more strategic mind and patience, if he'd managed to glean some of that off of Breland like he seemed to be doing at first, he really could've been something far greater than he ended up being.
Back in 1975 George Foreman fought five fighters in ONE NIGHT. He said he did it to prove he was still number one. The performance of big George Foreman back in 1975 shames everyone of these la-dee-da muffin men.
Wilder shouldn't ever be considered a great, when his resume is padded with tomato cans. Deontay Wilder defended his title against bums, and many were comparing him to past heavyweight greats without ever seeing him pass any real tests, for instance adversity, title unification, Wilder just fought guys the WBC considered contenders and many were ok with that.
@@pinfold1000 he is not, but what he was? 40 y.o. when he fought wilder? And since then, how many fights did Deontey win since 2019? 1 against Helenius? I mean it's quite bad when the biggest win in your resume 43 wins resume is 40 y.o. Ortiz. It is 100% not enough to be considered great. Joshua has better resume, Fury has better resume, Usyk has a better resume in just 6 HW fights. Even damn Zhang has better resume at this point (and he's never been a belt holder). 1 decent name (well out of his prime) should never be enough to be considered great HW. Since then he also lost to Parker (without a chance) and to Zhang (also without a single chance).
regardless of how your rate him or more aptly his resume.. he's made a lot of money and provided for his family in ways he other than boxing wouldn't be able to do. AJ vs Wilder is still a massive fight and pay-day for both that fans still want to see. Even Wilder vs Uysk is a interesting match-up.
Honestly, no. What got him at the heavyweight top is not just his power but also luck. He was lucky to be a champion of a sanctioning body that allows their champions to cherrypick easy opponents.
I'm one that thinks Chisora or Whyte would've had the same record against those opponents. He's a dangerous man with a big right hand and tough as old boots but he is not the elite level fighter that some, especially in boxing media claim.
I’ve been screaming this for ages! Wilder is a fraud. He’s only fought 3 top 10 boxers. Fury smacked him, Parker whipped him and Ortiz should probably have won.
Wilder was technically a better boxer/puncher at the beginning of his career, showing a better arsenal of punches. He showed good movement skills, good defense, and would work both the body and head. He was knocking guys out with the right but also showed good power with his left. Then the change happened to where he became a one dimensional fighter just relying on the right hand.
Dude got surgery with metal rods in his hand, and now he is overconfident. He was always fracturing his hands before now but not anymore in recent times.
Wilders knock out punch is no joke. Maybe the hardest one punch knock out blow in boxing history. We’ve seen Wilder lose ten rounds in a row and then land one perfect hit and the fight’s over. The fact that he’s had the career he has as basic as it’s been with such minimal talent is a testimony to his power. I legit think he finished Fury. Fury took so many of those fight ending blows from Wilder over their trilogy I think it may have done some permanent damage. People forget that Wilder was feared prior to the Fury trilogy. Joshua was avoiding him like the plague and Fury took him on almost immediately after he made his comeback and gave him two rematches. He was fearless back then. But now he seems almost afraid to fight Joshua and Usyk even though I personally think they’d be an easier night for him than Wilder. Fury is a better boxer than all three but Wilder is the only one that could potentially steal a win via KO. So I think Wilder may have done a number on Fury’s brain and maybe that shook him into not taking the big fights. Remember he did retire for a minute after the third Wilder fight.
“Took so many of those fight ending blows,” yet they didn’t end the fight. So do we discern from that that Fury, despite showing a questionable chin in numerous other fights, has a granite chin, or more probably Wilder’s power is only impressive against security guards, tomato cans, and bums?
@@CP-wh1md nah dude Fury is just a machine. Take a look at some of those punches in slow motion and you can see he really did take blows that would knock out a lot of great fighters. No one hits like Wilder. Other big punchers hit you with a flurry and put you down with the last one. Wilder gets beat on for two thirds of the fight and then connects with one punch and the guy doesn’t just go down, he’s completely out cold on the mat.
@@SonnyK248 name one great fighter those blows knocked out. Let’s make it easier, name one legitimate top 5 fighter those blows knocked out. 95% or more of Wilder’s KOs weren’t out cold on the mat. Most of them like Malik Scott were absolutely fine. Quite a few were blows behind the head. Ask Roy Jones what happens, touch a downed opponent. Ask Wilder what happens when you pound on a downed opponent, his answer will be “you win.” Certainly he as laid out 2 or 3 trash opponents, more often it was them quitting, ref stepping in, or like with Scott, going down from punches that didn’t come close to landing. Wilder has wild lucky punches, and the incredible benefit of never facing legitimate challengers. His lucky punch is impressive against an exhausted Grampa Ortiz and cherry picked fighters outside the top 10, but against a weak chinned Fury, they were exposed. Wilder is front to back a charismatic hype job. He made money for the organization, so he never had to take on a legitimate contender. He isn’t a complete fraud. He does have a heavy lucky punch, but it doesn’t match up to the hype. Tua and Briggs hit as hard or harder and did it against legitimate opponents, not some fat Englishman who ran from the rematch with Klitschko and ducked everyone except Wilder. Why do you think that is?
i think he looks sharper than he ever has atm, ive always been a sceptic fighting fury 3 times might have taught him some shit tho, malik scott has taught him how to throw power shots on the back foot as well, the shot he ko'd helenius with was an absolute peach, hes only gotta hit you once innit
@@CP-wh1md I’m not saying Wilder is a great fighter dude calm down. His skills are below average. I’m just giving respect to his power. Also Fury weak chin? Where are you getting that from the dude is undefeated ffs. He can take a punch and if he falls he can get up and regain his composure as a quick as anyone 😂
One punch boxer. Not a fraud but just not an elite boxer. Stands still, no defense, no ring iq, no footwork, no head movement. Yeah just a knocker , which is a blessing to have for a Heavyweight.
TLDR; His record is extremely padded and the WBC protected him for a long time as the only genuine American heavyweight prospect. It's been a boxing fan's dream come true that he was painfully found out from his first Fury fight onwards.
The fact that Wilder knocked Fury down multiple times in their last fight shows that he is a very dangerous opponent. Nobody really knew how durable Fury really was until the first time that he was able to get up after being knocked down by Wilder in the first fight.
But Fury has been easy to knock down he got knocked down by a Journeyman with a 20% KO ratio and Fury was knocked down frequently in that 3rd fight because of his style he was pressuring with the reach advantage this is a terrible choice unless you are in the circumstances of this fight where Wilder is terrible on the backfoot. Wilder having time to improve after the 2nd fight meant he was able to get better against Fury because Fury was giving up his natural advantage because of the specific circumstances.
SMH Wilder started boxing at 20!!!! and won a bronze medal in the heavyweight division at the 2008 Olympics. do you understand how impressive that is use some logic if you start Boxing at 20 it would make sense it would take some time to fully develop and master your skills and not rush your fighter into dangerous fights. I also doubt these guys were rushing to fight Wilder who has been knocking everyone out
@@joe2times381brother when you are thirty fights in as a pro. You are not being rushed, he was being protected because a guy like Wladimir Klitschko would've used a Kronk like pressure like fury did in the second fight, and take him out of there. And besides the WBC allowed him to fight fodder competition, dillan Whyte was one of the longest mandatories that I have ever seen (one thousand and some days). this dude wilder kept fighting a fossil like Ortiz. dillian whyte started boxing at 20 yet he fought povetkin, fury, AJ, Joseph Parker and Robert helienius.
@@joe2times381 You shouldn't be a champion level boxer fighting guys ranked nearly 500th. It doesn't matter when he started boxing. The top fighters were rushing to fight Wilder but Wilder wasn't rushing to fight them despite knocking everyone out. Top 50 should be fighting top 50 and not 100th-500th fighters... its not like Wilder himself was ranked 300th or anything at the time. He padded his stats because as we've seen recently and especially since the Zhang fight Wilder is not competitive against the top blokes when he can't bully them.
I agree with all of this however I still see him as impressive as well as AJ simply because with their very limited skill (especially Wilder) both made the Olympic teams shortly after starting boxing, and then became world champions. Much further than i imagine they believed when they began. Both get my respect!
Wilder fights like a dude in the street. Looks crazy but is hard to defend wild swings coming at you fast. A technical boxer (Fury, Wlad, mayb Usyk and Aj) should beat him
Very limited skills set, but he's a tall rangy guy with a great punch and quick hands. I don't think there's that many around at the moment who would beat him.
Dodged who what evidence? Went to Russia only for povetkin to pop dirty, numerous times he's agreed to fight Joshua only for goalposts to be moved. But yet some keyboard warrior wants to discredit him laughable
@@stefd07the evidence is his fucking record you mong 🤣🤣🤣 he admitted to turning down Joshua to fight Fury for less money. Held WBC title hostage, never attempted a unification and has zero names on his win list. Evidence 🤣🤣🤣
@Alex-cw3rz What did he admit exactly? That Joshua is a more lucrative fight but he's a man of his word and had already agreed to a rematch hownis that dodging? Plus why did dazn chief apologise to someone if he was ducking? Too many sheep out there!
Wilder does not possess a wide array of technical boxing skills or pedigree, but what he does have is a dynamite right hand and an inate instinct for timing and landing that big bomb. Love him or hate him, you have to give him credit for going as far as he has on his limited fundamentals and raw natural talent. Plus the heart he showed in the 3rd Fury fight was undoubtedly thay of a champion.
It's not that Deontay isn't good, it's just that the current Heavyweight Division is just kinda trash in general compared to the lower ones. It's not a very talented division and only has a few legitimate contenders. This really sucks because Heavyweights carry boxing. It's not a coincidence that every boxing "golden age" just happened to be when the Heavyweight Division was great to watch.
I don’t care what anyone says I look forward to watching Wilder fight most out of all the heavyweights. It’s what the heavyweight division should be. Scary power and no fear.
It's a shame that "high level" boxing doesn't really happen at the highest level and has turned more into a spectacle. The fact that Wilder has ducked every notable boxer except for Fury (who he only picked because he thought he was washed up) is such a huge shame.
I see him only as a 6 foot 7 inch impression of a windmill, or windbag. Wilder, with a face you could use for Halloween, and a gallon-sized mouth. I love this uploader's sense of humour, brilliant Propa.
Wilder never learned how to box. I remember back when he first came on the scene, i noticed every time an opponent would even attempt to throw a punch, Wilder would run all across the ring to avoid it instead of learning how to slip or make an opponent miss. He never fought any top ten fighters for many years and when he did take a tiny step up, he chose older slower fighters like Ortiz. He avoided guys who really had talent until he finally fought Fury who he miscalculated as being just a big clumsy white hope. Fury is also over rated but much better than Wilder all the same. Fury did manage to beat Wilder's ego down and that was really all Wilder ever had anyway. The 'power' was a mirage from years of beating second and third rate fighters. He was truly exposed by Fury and Zhang just put the final touches on his fantasy career.
he’s not a great boxer but he’s one of the hardest punchers in history and i feel like when boxers anticipate his weapon they can easily find success against him
Man, I'm sick of seeing guys with 30+ flights being considered armatures or babies. That's a full damn career for a lot of professional fighters but these days people act like you're an armature until 1 fight before you retire. This is why even if the modern heavy weights were as good as the 70's this would never be considered a golden age of boxing, guys no longer fight for greatness, they only fight for money and to pad their records and it's killing boxing.
Fans of Fury have to hype him as a great boxer to make Fury look great, and Wilder fans have to hype Fury to be almost the best boxer ever because he otherwise wouldn't beat such a great boxer like Wilder. Pretty strange cycle.
people always gonna call boxing a fraud cant believe this rumor got so big these fools started this ever since the jake paul fights boxing is not rigged bro the punches are going fast and peoples faces how stupid can people be
Yes, some, maybe even many opponents were easy and picked. BUT 1. You dont win an olympic bronze medal by being a bum. You dont pick your oponents in amateur boxing tournaments. 2. He beat Ortiz and had one draw with Tyson Fury, who is probably the best heavyweight of our time. Also scored several knockdowns against him.
Guys, he's exactly what we always thought he is - an extremely average boxer with possibly the greatest right hand ever. He's nothing special, except he has dynamite in his right glove. He's usually losing when he eventually lands that right, but that's all he needs. Fury is just a freak for actually getting up. Still don't know how he did it.
Would be hilarious for everyone but Usyk. Wilder's body shots will be no match for Usyk. No matter how much of a better boxer Usyk is, Wilder's power will trump Usyk.
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Funny every episode laughed out loud on the bus superb 👌 good points made about wilders resume 👌 👏 👍
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Good thing you didn't make this video before Fury vs Wilder ever took place,😂 their fights together probably wouldn't have happened if they knew the Propa truth.😂
Excellent clip again Propa 👍…..but y’a forgot how long he ducked chinny Dillian White for even though he was wbc mandatory
Your resume is a joke.
He’s probably the most technically inept champion but possesses freakish powerful right hand
But that was normal in the 90's except they had left hands to go with it.
Against nobody
People realise how Bronze Bomber is the perfect name for him :)
@MyDeadAlbatrossagainst bums he fought you mean
@@johnbishop2536imagine what Bowe would’ve done to him. Let alone Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield.
Deontay's skill of missing a non moving target is UNMATCHED
He's really skilled at making excuses too, he could write a book on them... if he knows how to write
@@mickyblue9658 damn for sure it's embarrasing i never saw someone like this...
Just saw a short where he talks about tyson fury being helped by the judge when he was knock down... "The referee was like : eight, niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine.....!" while the judge this count perfectly and normally.... Wilder is petyfull
@TheChattounet tyson fury is banned from America fro drug trafficking affiliations with Irish drug lord Daniel Kinahan
Bob Arum paid Daniel Kinahan 8 millon dollars in "consultant fees"
Lol 😂We know fury is a cheater and criminal, this is why he wont fight Usyk. Hes fighting a clown fight in Nagannou
Brotha he has 40+ kos. Chill.
@@eduvivan2562 Against complete nobody's. Fury absolutely demolished him which was his only real challenge to date. You saw his record? All his fights were against people who were like "top 150 to top 400 and mostly UNRANKED". LOL
Wilder and Ruiz biggest problem right now is inactivity. If big fights can't be made, then at least stay active and fight other top 15 fighters.
Ruiz is a decent boxer but he's deliberately staying inactive to keep his ranking after the sudden jump up the rankings he gained from the AJ win . He had the world in his hands after that but lacked discipline to capitalise on it . Personally I don't think he deserves to be "gifted" a second chance now he's actually in shape . Rankings are a joke
@@JamieVauxnut1Andy wants a £20M payday.
@GHOST-mv3ki of course he does , he flung away his winnings celebrating his AJ win. He could have went so much further, he needs to work his way back to big payday fights now in my opinion. He seems like a good guy but totally delusional now
Wilder doesn’t want the fight and Ruiz ants a massive payday that he doesn’t deserve, it’s why he’s calling out Fury and AJ, he just wants a massive payday that he’s done nothing to warrant £20m. Fuck that
@@ashleyg2610 yup. Plus Andy has a divorce to sort out too. He wants that bag.
It's easy to get a rep as the hardest puncher in history when you mainly fight people that come to lay down.
Exactly
Malik Scott for one
Wilder turning down 100 million to fight AJ is just madness. How many boxers ever get that opportunity!
Is that real? If so proof?
$100 million??!! Damn, not even Canelo was offered such big money.
@@umarrazvi Google it. It was a Dazn deal for 2 AJ fights and then a 3rd fight I don't remember the details of. Also, Wilder admitted that he turned down another 50 mill so that he would fight Fury for much less
@@umarrazvi Don't be this guy. There was a literal article on the screen that u could use to start researching it, and take it from there
@@SaiSaiGre relax bro asking for proof isnt wrong
It’s amazing: They give AJ so much criticism yet Wilder can be labeled baddest man with no real noteworthy wins.
He beat two common opponents of AJ, kod them in the first, took AJ multiple rounds to win. Wilder proved he can catch even the most technically sound boxing, in Ortiz, and Fury. AJ doesn't have the heart to push through adversity anymore when he gets hit hard, Wilder IS going to Catch AJ at some point if they fight, Wilder showed he has the kill or be killed attitude, aj doesn't. Wilder will ko AJ. Even his own network and Hearn paid guys says AJ doesn't look very good, and Wilder will probably beat him if they fight and this version of AJ shows up.
I don't see many people call him the baddest though, with Fury and Usyk being generally considered superior and people like Zhang or Ruiz are considered a real challenge.
i think its all about the eye test. we can see how fast and brutal wilders punches are compared to aj. results are not the only way to judge a fighter. stuff like punching speed show up no matter who the oponent is.
This is why I prefer ufc
@@moshinafc9051Unfortunately a lot of people do now.
When the best person on his record is Ortiz, when Ortiz was 137 years old and even in Ortiz prime was not very highly rated, you know Wilder is not as good as people claim.
I'm hoping this is a coming to America reference 😂😂
@@marccleary8592 yep, glad someone got it
You do realize Ortiz was still dominating and also undefeated
He did draw with Fury
@@ChaelSonnenEatsLebronsWeiner yeah I know which makes it worse for Wilder and he was undefeated but he hadn't faced world class competition.
I been saying it for years, Wilder exists to validate Fury, he's actually a terribly poor fighter but as long as he stays out of the ring, Fury reigns as the best. Heavyweight boxing is a contrived joke with numerous people pocketing money for their own interests.
Wilder owns fury pal
@@vohbeWilder has lost thrice to the man. How does he own him? Lol (and yes, the first one was a loss)
Well the Fury Wilder fights were the best fights I've ever seen in my nearly 30 years on this earth. The Ngannou fight featured a couple hard punches but it was kinda boring. I think Fury is gonna retire before another heavyweight with the same elan as Wilder comes out. And I don't think Wilder will ever recover his mojo to fight like he used to, a lot of nerds call that no technique but I know what I was seeing that was a man who knew he couldn't get knocked out. Then he did get knocked out so he's never gonna be that same boxer.
Fury ain't the best with one belt, unless he beats Usyk he's just another paper champion.
Wilder owns fury? 😂😂😂😂 U have to beat someone more times than they beat u for that to happen 😂😂
Avoiding any competition is the bane of boxing
Is he really lethal? Or did he just fight cans? Usyk beat 2 divisions in 22 fights while guys like wilder are still lining up cans
"Hold on a heavy costume minute" That one got me! 😂
The biggest problem with these guys is that they only look for big fights the spectacles rather than trying to stay active and be great
They’re literally murdering the sport with their inactivity and greed
I like when men can leverage their being and make a ton of money. You call it greed but you're not getting hit. If their was ever a point where you did box, who are you????. No one. That's who. So who is being greedy here??? The guys risking their lives at the top or you, on a youtube comment section..... bitching. ??? I love when millionaires from different cloth are made. Fury, Wilder, Ruiz, are not your typical millionaires they are much better. Work harder and have more character. Definitely more than you. The youtube commenter.
My point here is that these are not slaves and you are a frickin nobody. Ngannou is gonna be a multimillionaire soon too, I bet that makes you livid. LMAO. He's not even a boxer. Genius.
You better hope they bring back mandingo fighting. The way you sound.
All these rich ethnic gentleman being made. Boxing is the sport to showcase your talents and make a huge bag doing it. You hate that? Watch UFC. Men of all backgrounds broke af can become millionaires by giving it their all when its worth the effort, ie money fights.
You can watch amateur boxing too if you really want to watch the men and women hustle and build a rep.
What can Wilder offer the sport
@@mattmannlvcahighlight reel KOs are good enough to bring in normies to boxing.
@@mr.soystein7849 if they were Wilder would be a star in the United States rather than the also ran to Canelo, Crawford and Davis
@@mattmannlvca he is a star for the Wakandans.
He beat Charlie Z... the undefeated champion.
😂
Charlie Z won that, Wilder couldn’t handle the pandemic punch. Undefeated 637-0 baby
Up until beating Ruiz, Charlie Z was the most well known fighter he'd fought. No lie
This man knows his history
What happened to the great Charlie Z? I haven't heard about him in ages. Is he still the undefeated champion?
Finally someone talking about reality! Do Fury next about how he's barely fought anyone either.
I was thinking the same thing.
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This can be said about the whole division
Yup, Fury fought an old Klitchko and Wilder 3 times, that's it. He'd still be ducking Usyk and putting in zero effort in unifying the titles if everyone wasn't up in arms about it. Hell he still might duck Usky after getting beat up by Ngannou, he probably only scheduled the fight for December because he knew he wouldn't be in fighting shape by then, needed an excuse to delay it.
Then no one has
i didn't realise how amazing his management team was to get him a world title shot with only 2 wins against top 100 ranked fighters and NONE in the top 40. then after winning the belt i don't think he defended it against even 1 mandatory because Dillan Whyte was rank 1 for 3.5 years of Wilders 5 year rule.
I'm interested in seeing how his legacy will play out, and if he'll be indicted into any Hall of Fame.
he fought luiz ortiz i think that was his mandatory
@@hawks19_65 Ortiz was wbc rank 3. 1 mandatory in 5 years is very bad.
@@ianmetcalfe7389 also stiverne was ranked no 1 contender for the wbc in 2017 when wilder rematched him and knocked him out. But yeah a lot of the fighters he fought were top 10-15 wbc rankings during that time and eventually fell off as better fighters came on the scene 😂
Wilders best win is Ortiz. It would be interesting to see how he does against top 5 fighters (other than Fury). Maybe he KO’s them, or maybe he gets exposed
The issue is I don’t think he wants to risk finding out - so that he can keep his fearsome reputation
I disagree..his best win was vs Hellenius and his best performance was Fury 1 then Ortiz would be his only other win of any note .
"exposed" holy shlt the internet kids are amazing' "exposed" wtflol
first win over Stiverne is underrated as well, he boxed to a gameplan in that one and didn't have to rely on the get out of jail free right hand.@@Rumpleforeskin77
@@topsuperseven7910yeah because people who say "wtf" and "lol" aren't internet kids eh. Actually say something, give an opinion to show you know anything about boxing to prove you're not one of them.... Retard.
Bermane Stiverne in 2015 was better than Andy Ruiz who is Joshua's best win
The weirdest thing about Wilder is his rabid online fan base that attack anyone who calls out his pathetic resume and build up his power to mythical proportions, someone who would put George Foreman down easily, most devastating power in history etc.
Genuinely believe the vast majority of his fans aren’t boxing fans and have just watched reels of his knockouts of (less than) journeymen and believe his ‘equaliser’ can put anyone down. Put him in the 90s and he’s get destroyed. Klitschko would’ve made a fool of him and even now in his shattered state Joshua would beat him.
Also think of the mindset of a fighter who cherry picks opponents so far down in rankings most aren’t even top 40 and dodges fighting a dominant figure like (an aging)Klitschko who was there for the taking to build your legacy.
Just think of that. Most want to fight the best and test themselves. Wilder only fought Fury as he believed he was washed up, if Fury never had his breakdown the fight wouldn’t happen.
It’s funny the shit Mayweather gets for ‘ducking’ fighters but just compare him to Wilder in who he chose to fight.
Pathetic.
True, although I think most remaining Fury fans are just the same. As were many of the more fanatical AJ fans, until he lost and they changed their loyalty to Usyk.
Funny because you can literally say the same about Fury fans as well lol
Something very wrong when a world champion claims he isn’t ready to fight someone. You’re meant be the man, just too many damn belts🤬
The only reason why they are in their position in the first place is because they were given the opportunity. Fighting purely for money is one thing but relishing in not moving the sport forward is embarrassing.
I remember noticing wilder's career back in 2012, he must have been at least like 25 and 0 and still fighting absolute cream puffs. It was so clear they weren't at all confident in stepping him up.
His resume at that point was laughable
It reminded me of watching Tommy Morrison back in the early 90s. Morrison destroyed one club fighter after another and had all of these quick wins, and then he stepped up against Ray Mercer and Ray almost took his head off.
SMH Wilder started boxing at 20!!!! and won a bronze medal in the heavyweight division at the 2008 Olympics. do you understand how impressive that is use some logic if you start Boxing at 20 it would make sense it would take some time to fully develop and master your skills and not rush your fighter into dangerous fights.
@@joe2times381 so did AJ yet he fought much better competition in less than 18 fights. Wild milling at tomato cans taught wilder nothing.
Wilders professional career up until about 2015 was more like an amateurs' career. He had a daughter that with a medical condition so he needed to fight for money so they took it very slow. At the 2018 mark, he couldn't get any of the top guys in the ring with him. The whole Joshua debacle was all Eddie Hearns fault. They priced Joshua out of the fight every single time. No where in the history of boxing have you ever had 2 undefeated heavyweight champions fighting for undisputed where the "a" side did not give the "b" side a % split. I personally favored Joshua at that time, but Hearn just wouldn't put him in there with him.
This video just gained some more credibility. 😬
In fairness, most boxers have a padded record. Fury is a little padded and only aj's isn't padded tbh in the modern era
Andy Ruiz would have been interesting,.. he didn't fancy that either.
Why you say that
@@baconeggcheesepodcast9390 didn´t Wilder back out of that fight?
First time I saw him, I was excited about having someone like that on the boxing horizon. Then I watched him for awhile. I started saying: "You know....someday Wilder's going to run into someone who knows how to box, and he's going to be in trouble." Well, you know what happened. I also saw what kind of a guy he was, and found myself rooting for anyone who might beat him. I wasn't a Tyson Fury fan before Wilder. Now I am.
You were always a fury fan. Anyways fury is overrated. So is usky. Just average boxers in a very poor heavyweight division.
@@LubovUgThat is such a mentally bankrupt response lmao
@@LubovUg if fury and wilder are over rated and average then who tf meets your standards
@@BazookaBeanIsEpic He's living in a world where HW's are still 6'1-6'3, and 210-220's. The games changed, now there are alot of titans walking around
Then Fury barely “won” against an MMA fighter in their first boxing match. Lol
1:16 No one can deny he’s a huge puncher, but look how man times he misses a guy that isn’t even moving! He’s a dreadful *boxer* who doesn’t have a plan B
He’s a knockout artist and arguably the greatest ko artist ever. Some of his miss punches are set ups and meant to take away and control his opponent. Wilder is also the best at guard manipulation too.
@@censari544😂😂😂
@@ZakiBTW Stay away from boxing
@@ZakiBTWi can’t believe that statement either. Thought he was joking for a while 😂😂
@@hydewizard instead of being humble say nun shit but act like they right. Yall don’t know boxing stay your stupid ass from the sport. Are y’all each other’s alt.
He got quite a scare when he faught Ortiz the first time and actually went into the gym to learn how to box a bit. After Fury, hes definitely improved a lot, you can definitely see a difference in his boxing ability compared to whenhe was Windmill Wilder. His record is the most padded iv seen of any top ranked HW though; the first 25 (or more) fights were against absolute bums. Boxing Bros did a series of videos titled "Its time to audit Wilders resume" if anyones interested, really funny.
He’s only fought one round since fury battered the ego out of him. You can’t tell a bit about his boxing ability from that.
Not forgetting Ortiz had him out on his feet so he ended being awarded illegal recovery time after the round and then only managed to get Ortiz out of there with multiple illegal moves, given that he knows nothing about boxing he most likely has no idea that hitting the back of the head, hitting with the inside of the glove and hitting while holding are all illegal.
Fool... How you gonna say he improved a lot when he only fought one round ffs
@@paulies5407 i get your point, but he definitely looked better at the start of wilder fury 3 than he had ever looked prior. also can't really blame him for not being able to show off his skillset when he hits like a tank and hellenius basically falls over from any decent shot nowadays, especially if hes running into it like he did vs wilder
Brilliant series
Jason Gavern was a FULL TIME landscaper at the time. This was the fight RIGHT before winning the WBC belt!
It's absolutely crazy to hear that someone turned down 100 million to fight someone. Madness.
For 100 million I'd fight King Kong and Godzilla on the same night. Twice. And then I'd happily go cash my check in my gold rimmed wheelchair ♿️
His oppanents have been the same as Joshua’s first 10-12 then Joshua stepped it up and he carried on fighting at same level so hence his knockout ratio has been so good
Joshua and Ruiz will not fight Wilder, Wilder would legit KO both of them within 4 rounds, Fury is a better boxer than them both and Wilder put him on his ass multiple times.
@@Zaelda you’re basing this on what exactly? What is wilder’s best win? Wilder has been stopped in 2 of the last 3 fights. Fury isn’t a big puncher for a heavyweight
@@Zaelda That's nothing to brag about even Ngannou put Fury on his bum, everybody put Fury on his bum his chin is sus.
@@dobianuli2742 Fury could not even KO Chisora.
@@johnwarrior7009 chisora is known for his great chin mate, what are you on about? And fury did stop him in there 2nd fight.
Great video Propa! The funny thing about all this for me is that Wilder losing to AJ would also show up just how bad Tyson Fury's padded/protected resume is too.
Except Parker already did it
To be fair though, everyone's knocked out Helenius at this point. I feel like he's going to be remembered as the guy who got knocked out by the best.
no i don;t think so he will be remebered for his resume and being over protected they will always go back to that
Furys not even the best.
I don’t think anybody has ever rated his skill . It’s the God given hammer he’s got that is simply undeniable
Exactly
It's a lot easier to land his big right on unranked low level opposition. His resume is pathetic.
Wilder is a bum. Outside of Fury, he has fought literally no one of note. At least Mayweather fought fighters of note. Most were way past their primes but that's another story on another overrated fighter for another day.
@@deandrenicholas2545 mayweather tbe
But yeah wilder is literally a bum
Wilder is just an average talent fighter with a good punch . He never would have made it in the 90's , with fighters like Tyson , Lewis , Bowe . That has been his advantage that their hasn't been a really good ! heavyweight in a long time . Imo it makes most of the current fighters look better than they really are . They never had to fight a really great .. heavyweight .
I've said something along the lines of this for awhile, This is the reason I won't blow fury's trumpet as well, seems wilder is half of fury's resume, fury is also half of wilders resume, with ortiz being the other half who wilder went life and death with and the best anyone could say about ortiz is in his prime he might of just got into the top ten, solid fighter but never got into position to prove anything, personally I think he would likely give most champs a good fight but lose on points, someone like klitscho/AJ would KO him late. ortiz had most of his best fights after wilder outside his prime, many would say ortiz was passed his best when he fought wilder tbh, not something I'd argue about for or against, either way ortiz has had his best fights in the last 3 years and he's definitely passed it at his top level by then if not before wilder.
Fury beat a 40 YO klitscho, fair enough fury was a level above him on the night and klitscho looked very off, fury does have this effect though, but he then dodges the rematch with an injury and then gets a suspended drug ban, the drug ban was a dodgy one on both sides frankly, fury paying people off, nearly bankrupting ukad. But getting popped for elevated levels of nandrolone metabolites is frankly a reach, something nobody with money or sense would take for a PED,, They also tried to do him for failing to prove a sample, which later got dropped.
Personally I think all fighters are doping, some more than others, there's a tolerated amount/type, EPO and similar things aren't tolerated, either way you only have to look at hughie fury who got popped for the samething at the sametime to know they were doping, that backacne is a dead give away, anyway my point is this was political anyway, that's why fury's a different guy now, all polished and fake like AJ use to be, just with some character enough for casuals to like him with his bullshit stories.
Months before the WHyte fight was 100%, I said fury is going dodge usyk, nearly 2 years later he's still not fought anybody good and fighting a UFC fighter for money without his belt on the line, not very confident, we'll see if fury is a legitimate champion in the next year or not, beating whyte and chisora means nothing other than getting some gatekeepers on your record, anyone in the top ten should beat them comfortably. fury and his team know usyk isn't a good match up for them, hence why DDD got a shot, similar size to uysk, easier to hit to the body, which is clearly a weakness for usyk, they were hoping DDD would have a miracle and pull it off to make that inhouse fight, Wouldn't surprise me if fury dodges usyk again and they're just using his name promote fury's next fight, but fury is in a corner now, most people don't believe his shit anymore, if he dodges again that's all his credibility gone, I think his card with nagenou isn't going to be the money maker they betted on.
I think usyk will edge a win on fury, they both have alot of similarities in style, both reserve power, mix up punches but usyk does everything better, feints with his feet more, pressures amazingly, has far better reactions, people say fury moves like a middleweight and all other crap, (yes he moves good for a big man, but remember this division mostly moves like there stuck in the mud in comparison) Usyk will show what moving like a middleweight really looks like when he's in with fury, it will likely be a similar fight to fury vs klitscho, but higher paced and be a closer affair, usyk has a better gas tank, he routinely fights at a higher pace, I see people saying fury will go to the body blah blah and end it in 2 rounds, try hitting someone 6 inches smaller who's changing angles and height alot to the stomach, its difficult, fury's height will 100% work against him for this, not to mention I think usyk hits hard enough to get anybody's respect, fury isn't going to bulldoze him, if he tries he'll get timed and buzzed, maybe put on his arse.
The funny thing about Wilder is how whoever was managing him completely failed to make him a draw in the US before Fury showed up. You have a guy who is technically inferior to the top heavyweights, but still dangerous to anyone because of his amazing right hand - he should have been huge in the States. That's a story any competent promotor could work with. Even if he only fought bums, have him follow in Joe Louis' footsteps and fight a bum every month. Put him on every card you can find. Travel the world knocking out cabbies.
Deontay is not marketable. Guys like Pacqioua, Fury, are more charismatic and marketable. Most of Fury fights before his title match were not even in vegas.
I agree. If you can't make someone with that high of a knockout rate a star. then something's wrong.
Because he looks like a total fucking muppet throwing all those windmilling punches, it’s fucking embarrassing so much that even to the casuals it looks amateurish. That and he’s a total idiot as a person.
Deontay started boxing late in life he has a tremendously powerful punch with both hands his lack of movement and counterpunching skill only showed up when he fought Fury; but his power makes him a legitimate contender for certain.
Really?
His record is a joke considering the opponents.
I do think it’s better than WallyTony’s professional record.
@@xv4373such a pointless comment. You don’t have to be the best in the world at something to have an opinion on it, sport especially is literally for the public to watch and comment on. Presumably you don’t have any opinions on things you’re not the best in the world at? So you have no opinions at all or you’re a hypocrite.
Can you blame him? lmao nobody wants to fight him, Ruiz out priced himself 3x and Eddie Hearn won't allow Aj to throw down with Wilder. Furys the only boxer who had the balls to take him on.
@@that8968 didn’t watch the video then? Wilder turned down £100 mil to fight AJ. He dodged everyone until he thought he caught Fury at the right time, but he was wrong.
@@RandyRodgirth He turned down 100 Mil after Eddie Hearn disrespected him with a low ball offer until he found out how much the fight was really worth. Then Wilder turned it down and went to fight Fury who just came off of a win lmao Don't act dense. Wilder has alawys shown to be a prideful individual. Same reason why he sued Fury to get a 3rd fight
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He has another channel called "This Is Propa!" Where he does cover other sports. He doesn't do as much content though on his sister channel, but it is still hilariously funny. Check it out mate!
@@gutz323utube mate.. or some other platform?
I’d never even heard of wilder before the first fury fight that’s how interested people were in him.
That's a "you" issue. Just because you lived under a rock doesn't mean that no one has heard of him. His knockout were well-known at that point
You’d never heard of the WBC heavyweight champion of the world? 😂
Even if you’re just a casual fan, surely you know who the champions are. Go watch something else, fella.
No, not even casual fans knew who this bum was. Only tge hardcores knew about him.
He struggled to sell 10k ticket even with his 40th fight
You had me at "Heavy Costume" minute!!!! Laughed my arse off ... Thanks Uncle Propa..... Legend 🦵
This needs to be revisted and how we now see Fury's reputation as well.
I thought that Wilder would never box again after his 3rd fight with Fury. Really, he hasn't. I think Wilder is finished.
That’s not true
ALWAYS BEEN A CLOWN
Great against low level opponents
Spilka nearly beat him ffs
Spilka nearly died ffs 😂😂😂
aj quit against ruiz thats his level
WILDER GAME OVER ☠️🪦⚰️
He did what he wanted, provided for his family 💪🏼
That was never part of the conversation, just an excuse when fans notice he was a hype job …
I honestly think wilder is the one holding off any negotiations with AJ and eddie hearn
Get your head out the matchroom clouds the reason AJ vs Wilder isn't agreed is the same reason AJ vs Fury wasn't agreed last December when Queensberry offered everything they wanted.
@@darrenslater6327 The reason is very clear both Fury and Wilder have ducked Joshua, they have made money avoiding the risk that is AJ . On the other hand AJ has fought far higher opponents and lost because of this FACT.
@@martingibbons1324 people like you have no hope you must be due your 6th booster
This Aged well
I want to see Wilder fight Ngannou, I have a feeling he might loose at his own sport.
Would be fun though.
He _was_ that good, or at least on his way to being.
Back in the day before he was champ, he was shockingly patient, usually led with a tent pole jab and used it to set up his offense, even if there was still a quite bit of slop. He was making his way up, it's to be expected to a degree. I attribute a lot of that early promise to Breland.
It was after he beat Stiverne and started buying into his own hype that the skill and fundamentals he did have eroded and he just loaded up every shot.
@@FightTheByte_ Exactly. It's a damn shame, when he was working his way up the ranks he was seriously one of the most promising Heavyweights I'd seen in years and years.
If only he'd had a more strategic mind and patience, if he'd managed to glean some of that off of Breland like he seemed to be doing at first, he really could've been something far greater than he ended up being.
Back in 1975 George Foreman fought five fighters in ONE NIGHT. He said he did it to prove he was still number one. The performance of big George Foreman back in 1975 shames everyone of these la-dee-da muffin men.
Wilder shouldn't ever be considered a great, when his resume is padded with tomato cans. Deontay Wilder defended his title against bums, and many were comparing him to past heavyweight greats without ever seeing him pass any real tests, for instance adversity, title unification, Wilder just fought guys the WBC considered contenders and many were ok with that.
ortiz ia a can?
@@pinfold1000 he is not, but what he was? 40 y.o. when he fought wilder? And since then, how many fights did Deontey win since 2019? 1 against Helenius?
I mean it's quite bad when the biggest win in your resume 43 wins resume is 40 y.o. Ortiz. It is 100% not enough to be considered great. Joshua has better resume, Fury has better resume, Usyk has a better resume in just 6 HW fights. Even damn Zhang has better resume at this point (and he's never been a belt holder). 1 decent name (well out of his prime) should never be enough to be considered great HW.
Since then he also lost to Parker (without a chance) and to Zhang (also without a single chance).
Give the man his credit he deserves it he started fighting like at 19 when most do it since they was kids he has accomplished a lot
regardless of how your rate him or more aptly his resume.. he's made a lot of money and provided for his family in ways he other than boxing wouldn't be able to do. AJ vs Wilder is still a massive fight and pay-day for both that fans still want to see. Even Wilder vs Uysk is a interesting match-up.
I'm a casual boxing fan (I prefer MMA) but I would love to see those two fights.
Mate this is absolutely hilarious. I am cracking up. Please make more.
Honestly, no. What got him at the heavyweight top is not just his power but also luck. He was lucky to be a champion of a sanctioning body that allows their champions to cherrypick easy opponents.
I'm one that thinks Chisora or Whyte would've had the same record against those opponents. He's a dangerous man with a big right hand and tough as old boots but he is not the elite level fighter that some, especially in boxing media claim.
James,, if he was tough as old boots,, he wouldn't of made excuses about his costume being to heavy.
@@mauriceosullivan6832 Did you see Fury v Wilder III. Just because a man says dumb things doesn't mean he isn't tough.
I’ve been screaming this for ages! Wilder is a fraud. He’s only fought 3 top 10 boxers. Fury smacked him, Parker whipped him and Ortiz should probably have won.
Wilder was technically a better boxer/puncher at the beginning of his career, showing a better arsenal of punches. He showed good movement skills, good defense, and would work both the body and head. He was knocking guys out with the right but also showed good power with his left. Then the change happened to where he became a one dimensional fighter just relying on the right hand.
Dude got surgery with metal rods in his hand, and now he is overconfident. He was always fracturing his hands before now but not anymore in recent times.
Bro, Deontay is still learning how to tie his shoe laces TILL THIS DAY!!
i saw this guy go from confident, to actual trembling terrified at the might of tyson fury.
hes a melt.
Wilders knock out punch is no joke. Maybe the hardest one punch knock out blow in boxing history. We’ve seen Wilder lose ten rounds in a row and then land one perfect hit and the fight’s over. The fact that he’s had the career he has as basic as it’s been with such minimal talent is a testimony to his power. I legit think he finished Fury. Fury took so many of those fight ending blows from Wilder over their trilogy I think it may have done some permanent damage. People forget that Wilder was feared prior to the Fury trilogy. Joshua was avoiding him like the plague and Fury took him on almost immediately after he made his comeback and gave him two rematches. He was fearless back then. But now he seems almost afraid to fight Joshua and Usyk even though I personally think they’d be an easier night for him than Wilder. Fury is a better boxer than all three but Wilder is the only one that could potentially steal a win via KO. So I think Wilder may have done a number on Fury’s brain and maybe that shook him into not taking the big fights. Remember he did retire for a minute after the third Wilder fight.
“Took so many of those fight ending blows,” yet they didn’t end the fight. So do we discern from that that Fury, despite showing a questionable chin in numerous other fights, has a granite chin, or more probably Wilder’s power is only impressive against security guards, tomato cans, and bums?
@@CP-wh1md nah dude Fury is just a machine. Take a look at some of those punches in slow motion and you can see he really did take blows that would knock out a lot of great fighters. No one hits like Wilder. Other big punchers hit you with a flurry and put you down with the last one. Wilder gets beat on for two thirds of the fight and then connects with one punch and the guy doesn’t just go down, he’s completely out cold on the mat.
@@SonnyK248 name one great fighter those blows knocked out. Let’s make it easier, name one legitimate top 5 fighter those blows knocked out. 95% or more of Wilder’s KOs weren’t out cold on the mat. Most of them like Malik Scott were absolutely fine. Quite a few were blows behind the head. Ask Roy Jones what happens, touch a downed opponent. Ask Wilder what happens when you pound on a downed opponent, his answer will be “you win.” Certainly he as laid out 2 or 3 trash opponents, more often it was them quitting, ref stepping in, or like with Scott, going down from punches that didn’t come close to landing. Wilder has wild lucky punches, and the incredible benefit of never facing legitimate challengers. His lucky punch is impressive against an exhausted Grampa Ortiz and cherry picked fighters outside the top 10, but against a weak chinned Fury, they were exposed. Wilder is front to back a charismatic hype job. He made money for the organization, so he never had to take on a legitimate contender. He isn’t a complete fraud. He does have a heavy lucky punch, but it doesn’t match up to the hype. Tua and Briggs hit as hard or harder and did it against legitimate opponents, not some fat Englishman who ran from the rematch with Klitschko and ducked everyone except Wilder. Why do you think that is?
i think he looks sharper than he ever has atm, ive always been a sceptic fighting fury 3 times might have taught him some shit tho, malik scott has taught him how to throw power shots on the back foot as well, the shot he ko'd helenius with was an absolute peach, hes only gotta hit you once innit
@@CP-wh1md I’m not saying Wilder is a great fighter dude calm down. His skills are below average. I’m just giving respect to his power. Also Fury weak chin? Where are you getting that from the dude is undefeated ffs. He can take a punch and if he falls he can get up and regain his composure as a quick as anyone 😂
Look at who he's fought and your question will be answered his only fight against a decent opponent is fury and he lost all 3 😂
One punch boxer. Not a fraud but just not an elite boxer. Stands still, no defense, no ring iq, no footwork, no head movement. Yeah just a knocker , which is a blessing to have for a Heavyweight.
So can ANY top ten Heavyweight tho
TLDR; His record is extremely padded and the WBC protected him for a long time as the only genuine American heavyweight prospect. It's been a boxing fan's dream come true that he was painfully found out from his first Fury fight onwards.
There are children with better technique and movement
But 99.9 of em can't achieve a 3rd of what Wilder accomplished lol
Wilder is also the only thing holding up fury's resume, without that he just has a single great win that he didn't turn up for the rematch
Klitschko?
@@Larry_Hegsyes
The fact that Wilder knocked Fury down multiple times in their last fight shows that he is a very dangerous opponent. Nobody really knew how durable Fury really was until the first time that he was able to get up after being knocked down by Wilder in the first fight.
But it has to be mentioned why wilder even took that fight. He wanted a lineal belt and he thought fury would be a easy win.
But Fury has been easy to knock down he got knocked down by a Journeyman with a 20% KO ratio and Fury was knocked down frequently in that 3rd fight because of his style he was pressuring with the reach advantage this is a terrible choice unless you are in the circumstances of this fight where Wilder is terrible on the backfoot. Wilder having time to improve after the 2nd fight meant he was able to get better against Fury because Fury was giving up his natural advantage because of the specific circumstances.
"But just hold on a heavy costumed minute" 💀💀
The most unskilled champion, I've seen in my Life 🏴🇬🇧🔥
I knew Wilder was a padder but I didn't know it was that bad, goddamn
Why you say that
SMH Wilder started boxing at 20!!!! and won a bronze medal in the heavyweight division at the 2008 Olympics. do you understand how impressive that is use some logic if you start Boxing at 20 it would make sense it would take some time to fully develop and master your skills and not rush your fighter into dangerous fights. I also doubt these guys were rushing to fight Wilder who has been knocking everyone out
@@joe2times381brother when you are thirty fights in as a pro.
You are not being rushed, he was being protected because a guy like Wladimir Klitschko would've used a Kronk like pressure like fury did in the second fight, and take him out of there.
And besides the WBC allowed him to fight fodder competition, dillan Whyte was one of the longest mandatories that I have ever seen (one thousand and some days). this dude wilder kept fighting a fossil like Ortiz. dillian whyte started boxing at 20 yet he fought povetkin, fury, AJ, Joseph Parker and Robert helienius.
@@goncalosilva5369For Wilder fans. It only counts that he started boxing late.
@@joe2times381 You shouldn't be a champion level boxer fighting guys ranked nearly 500th. It doesn't matter when he started boxing. The top fighters were rushing to fight Wilder but Wilder wasn't rushing to fight them despite knocking everyone out.
Top 50 should be fighting top 50 and not 100th-500th fighters... its not like Wilder himself was ranked 300th or anything at the time. He padded his stats because as we've seen recently and especially since the Zhang fight Wilder is not competitive against the top blokes when he can't bully them.
I agree with all of this however I still see him as impressive as well as AJ simply because with their very limited skill (especially Wilder) both made the Olympic teams shortly after starting boxing, and then became world champions. Much further than i imagine they believed when they began. Both get my respect!
Wilder fights like a dude in the street. Looks crazy but is hard to defend wild swings coming at you fast. A technical boxer (Fury, Wlad, mayb Usyk and Aj) should beat him
Very limited skills set, but he's a tall rangy guy with a great punch and quick hands. I don't think there's that many around at the moment who would beat him.
I loved Klitschko's comments ....."I think he needs to fight someone who deserves it" ...... Proper prossional....
it's funny because that's the very same thing Mike tyson said about him and his brother lol
Just hold on a Heavy costume minute 😂😂😂😂
The amount of fighters who have taken a dive against Wilder is off the charts, something isn't right
Awfilul fighter. Never beat anyone worth beating, best win is a 64 year old Ortiz. Look at all the HWs out there he could have fought, dodged em all
Dodged who what evidence? Went to Russia only for povetkin to pop dirty, numerous times he's agreed to fight Joshua only for goalposts to be moved. But yet some keyboard warrior wants to discredit him laughable
@@stefd07the evidence is his fucking record you mong 🤣🤣🤣 he admitted to turning down Joshua to fight Fury for less money. Held WBC title hostage, never attempted a unification and has zero names on his win list. Evidence 🤣🤣🤣
🤣🤣64 Yr old Ortiz👍
@@stefd07he dodged Joshua he admitted to not taking an $100 million deal
@Alex-cw3rz What did he admit exactly? That Joshua is a more lucrative fight but he's a man of his word and had already agreed to a rematch hownis that dodging? Plus why did dazn chief apologise to someone if he was ducking? Too many sheep out there!
Dont need to make a video. Yes he is fraud
I’ve never seen someone miss a hurt, immobile fighter so much.
Wilder’s knockout power is phenomenal, he may not be a top technical talent, but that makes him exciting. He didn’t win belts by accident.
No he didn’t, he won it by corruption from the Wilder Boxing Council and against an absolute bum in Bermane Stiverne.
Wilder is a hard punching phenom. People say Francis hits harder, makes me lmao. Wilder is probably the hardest puncher in boxing, ever. Period.
Wilder does not possess a wide array of technical boxing skills or pedigree, but what he does have is a dynamite right hand and an inate instinct for timing and landing that big bomb.
Love him or hate him, you have to give him credit for going as far as he has on his limited fundamentals and raw natural talent. Plus the heart he showed in the 3rd Fury fight was undoubtedly thay of a champion.
He's done well out of it. Made a couple of million bucks
It's not that Deontay isn't good, it's just that the current Heavyweight Division is just kinda trash in general compared to the lower ones. It's not a very talented division and only has a few legitimate contenders. This really sucks because Heavyweights carry boxing. It's not a coincidence that every boxing "golden age" just happened to be when the Heavyweight Division was great to watch.
I don’t care what anyone says I look forward to watching Wilder fight most out of all the heavyweights. It’s what the heavyweight division should be. Scary power and no fear.
i really cant knock the guy. started boxing LATE and became a champion say what you want but he up there
Carl Froch is right, if 2 people wanna fight, they’ll fight. But if they don’t, the details (negotiations) won’t make it happen.
It's a shame that "high level" boxing doesn't really happen at the highest level and has turned more into a spectacle. The fact that Wilder has ducked every notable boxer except for Fury (who he only picked because he thought he was washed up) is such a huge shame.
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I see him only as a 6 foot 7 inch impression of a windmill, or windbag. Wilder, with a face you could use for Halloween, and a gallon-sized mouth. I love this uploader's sense of humour, brilliant Propa.
May not be the most technical boxer, but he’s definitely not a fraud. That right hand is deadly.
Wilder never learned how to box. I remember back when he first came on the scene, i noticed every time an opponent would even attempt to throw a punch, Wilder would run all across the ring to avoid it instead of learning how to slip or make an opponent miss. He never fought any top ten fighters for many years and when he did take a tiny step up, he chose older slower fighters like Ortiz. He avoided guys who really had talent until he finally fought Fury who he miscalculated as being just a big clumsy white hope. Fury is also over rated but much better than Wilder all the same. Fury did manage to beat Wilder's ego down and that was really all Wilder ever had anyway. The 'power' was a mirage from years of beating second and third rate fighters. He was truly exposed by Fury and Zhang just put the final touches on his fantasy career.
he’s not a great boxer but he’s one of the hardest punchers in history and i feel like when boxers anticipate his weapon they can easily find success against him
Man, I'm sick of seeing guys with 30+ flights being considered armatures or babies. That's a full damn career for a lot of professional fighters but these days people act like you're an armature until 1 fight before you retire. This is why even if the modern heavy weights were as good as the 70's this would never be considered a golden age of boxing, guys no longer fight for greatness, they only fight for money and to pad their records and it's killing boxing.
Fans of Fury have to hype him as a great boxer to make Fury look great, and Wilder fans have to hype Fury to be almost the best boxer ever because he otherwise wouldn't beat such a great boxer like Wilder. Pretty strange cycle.
hes really good against plumber and part time boxer
He has fought one round in two years, one.
people always gonna call boxing a fraud cant believe this rumor got so big these fools started this ever since the jake paul fights boxing is not rigged bro the punches are going fast and peoples faces how stupid can people be
Yes, some, maybe even many opponents were easy and picked. BUT
1. You dont win an olympic bronze medal by being a bum. You dont pick your oponents in amateur boxing tournaments.
2. He beat Ortiz and had one draw with Tyson Fury, who is probably the best heavyweight of our time. Also scored several knockdowns against him.
Guys, he's exactly what we always thought he is - an extremely average boxer with possibly the greatest right hand ever. He's nothing special, except he has dynamite in his right glove. He's usually losing when he eventually lands that right, but that's all he needs. Fury is just a freak for actually getting up. Still don't know how he did it.
Great analysis, spot on. A fight between Wilder and Usyk would be hilarious
Would be hilarious for everyone but Usyk. Wilder's body shots will be no match for Usyk. No matter how much of a better boxer Usyk is, Wilder's power will trump Usyk.
@@peanut1433 yes he would hurt Usyk if he hits him but Usyk would see him swings coming and move
@@utubeape If Dubois can catch him, Wilder can too