youd be pissed too if you had to constantly fix your shrine every single game because literally anybody decided that it was "wreck the hakurei shrine" o'clock
I like to think Mimi-chan is just sitting happily in Marisa's house buried comfortably beneath all of her collected junk. Not unlike the Ancient-Psychic-Tandem-WarElephant in Adventure Time. Except explosive
In my head, I think the PC-98 Era is canon. I think The place in Makai in Touhou 5 is a different area in Touhou 12, Makai is probably huge. Yuuka could have moved from Mugenkan to the Sunflower Field. And also I think that there is at the very least, a year time gap between Touhou 5 and 6, and during that time, spellcards became a big thing, Marisa and Reimu grew up a bit, Mima went somewhere else, Idk where honestly, Yuuka gained big interest in flowers, or at least more than before.
If I had to treat PC98 as canon, it'd go something like this. Reimu went through the Hell Route in Touhou 1. This one is obvious, it's the only route where you fight Mima. The yin-yang orb makes you immune to gaining weight from sweets. An amusing way to explain Reimu's smaller hitbox. Marisa won the Dim. Dream contest. Given modern Marisa's house is extremely messy, I can definitely imagine her storing a nuke but having no idea where she left it or just forgetting all about it. Marisa was the one that beat Yuuka. In Touhou 5, Yuuka seems to think very highly of Marisa's magical power. Finally, Yuuka was the one who defeated Shinki. In her ending, she decides to drain Marisa's magical power. In Touhou 17.5, the character Yuuma has the ability to absorb anything but it affects her mindset. Likewise, Yuuka's personality has changed from 5 to 9 and now has flower related abilities (Marisa had some kind of plant power in Touhou 2).
If I may add to this, I have the theory that Mimi-chan was the inspiration for Marisa to develop her Magic Missile shot type by the time of MS In this way, she sort of got what she wanted out of the events of PoDD: power. (You know, since that shot type is known for its massive damage output).
It makes sense, kinda like how super mario brothers 2 is a dream. But it doesn't make sense because they were definitely alive to see yumemi and the flying ship
@@Momoyon Mizuchi Miyadeguchi. Mizuchi started with the incident of Touhou 6, ignoring all the characters of the PC-98 era. She is a PC-98 character. She is the main antagonist in Foul Detective Satori.
Abt the contradictions pointed on Makai and Yuuka's place, I personally don't treat those as contradictions, as one doesn't exclude the other (HRtP, MS and UFO are placed in Makai but in different places, and Yuuka can perfectly have Mugenkan and the Garden of Sun), only the Marisa part gets fuzzy, but at the same time can relate to a time before pc-98
So technically according to canon: -Reimu might have gotten crucified -Marisa has a nuke in her home (somewhere) -Reimu has a (technically) dead body in her closet
"pc-98 is cannon but windows is also cannon while both are not at the sametime." while he did make time travel a thing and the games are full of random story plots. so each one of them are there own little realities. I mean those pc-98 timelines are to mixed up. so that's my headcannon. some of the games are different realities rather just one whole story. this is japan right? very old animes used to be filled with random things even hentais were very random back in the old days. there were almost no real stories. Touhou is like this and still is today. but the game plays are actually cool and I think that's the real goal rather just the story.
So true; PoDD is the only PC-98 game where none of the characters introduced have appeared in Windows. HRtP obviously has Reimu, SoEW gave us Marisa, Yuuka debuted in LLS and MS gave us Alice.
i headcanon that marisa and reimu actually killed off all people they fought . In LLL Marisa stage4 after she defeats Reimu, Reimu says “No! Don’t just kill me off like this!” Which I assume Marisa ended up killing Reimu anyways.
However, we do see Yuuka and Alice again in Windows. There is also the fact that PC98 Touhou isn't as modable as the Windows games, so the games only got translated once. That line may be a mistranslation, just like the "Die Wily" in Mega Man 7.
While it would be cool if it were canon and there are definitive references and potential continuity, I feel as though it is less annoying to just take ZUN's word literally and leave it at "Yeah, this probably should be canon, but actually consider it on the same level as fangames". There are just too many headscratchers on the connection to these two entities alone. (Stuff like, where the heck is the actual creator of Makai in the windows era?) And then there is the absolutely weird nonsense where Seihou Project is presumably canon to the PC98 games in some regard related to the outside world(even tho this interaction is jank at best) and because of Seihou having an independant crossover(and because two Touhou PC98-characters show up in an extra stage, probably stolen), Project Blank would also be indirectly canon in some way despite having nothing to do with ZUN at all. When such an unintentional multiverse-setting just spawns into existance beyond the creator's control due to a "funni crossover, lol" he may have wanted to walk back on anyways, I feel as though it makes sense to support the idea of "Actually, yeah, let's forget about the past", even if that isn't the actual reason why it got trashed.
ZUN's "treat them like derivative works" statement is really old (pre-IN) and comes from a time when his position was _very inconsistent,_ he'd sometimes say that you can act like PC-98 didn't happen and sometimes say that PC-98 "still lives". Meanwhile, Windows itself made references acknowledging PC-98 events (such as Reimu in PoFV reminding Yuuka of "when I defeated you back then"; i.e. LLS). Then in a 2013 Q&A, ZUN finally settled that PC-98 is canon except for any details contradicted by Windows (and despite what may initially seem, there are very few of those). He never changed his position again after that Q&A; in fact, he wrote for a Yuuka article in the Strange Creators magazine that the PC-98 characters simply retired "and are warmly watching over things from various places nowadays", thus if anything it reaffirms the stance that PC-98 is canon. ❤
8:28 well after that they returnrd to gensokyo and sterted to live ther, and after that they created clones of themself that reimu killed becouse "ther cant be two of the same people in gensokyo" (i Wonder why flandre is stile alive)
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Every series in touhou be like : reimu rampage youkai
Yesh
youd be pissed too if you had to constantly fix your shrine every single game because literally anybody decided that it was "wreck the hakurei shrine" o'clock
The only reason is WHY THE HELL they need to wreck those shrine?
I like to think Mimi-chan is just sitting happily in Marisa's house buried comfortably beneath all of her collected junk.
Not unlike the Ancient-Psychic-Tandem-WarElephant in Adventure Time.
Except explosive
Poor mimi chan
We should do an archaeological excavation of Marisa’s house
Imagine if Yumemi gave Marisa a gun instead of Mimi chan
In my head, I think the PC-98 Era is canon.
I think The place in Makai in Touhou 5 is a different area in Touhou 12, Makai is probably huge.
Yuuka could have moved from Mugenkan to the Sunflower Field.
And also I think that there is at the very least, a year time gap between Touhou 5 and 6, and during that time, spellcards became a big thing, Marisa and Reimu grew up a bit, Mima went somewhere else, Idk where honestly, Yuuka gained big interest in flowers, or at least more than before.
If I had to treat PC98 as canon, it'd go something like this.
Reimu went through the Hell Route in Touhou 1. This one is obvious, it's the only route where you fight Mima.
The yin-yang orb makes you immune to gaining weight from sweets. An amusing way to explain Reimu's smaller hitbox.
Marisa won the Dim. Dream contest. Given modern Marisa's house is extremely messy, I can definitely imagine her storing a nuke but having no idea where she left it or just forgetting all about it.
Marisa was the one that beat Yuuka. In Touhou 5, Yuuka seems to think very highly of Marisa's magical power.
Finally, Yuuka was the one who defeated Shinki. In her ending, she decides to drain Marisa's magical power. In Touhou 17.5, the character Yuuma has the ability to absorb anything but it affects her mindset. Likewise, Yuuka's personality has changed from 5 to 9 and now has flower related abilities (Marisa had some kind of plant power in Touhou 2).
If I may add to this, I have the theory that Mimi-chan was the inspiration for Marisa to develop her Magic Missile shot type by the time of MS
In this way, she sort of got what she wanted out of the events of PoDD: power. (You know, since that shot type is known for its massive damage output).
I think that Reimu gone for both routes in first chapter
Let’s just say Mima decided to explore the world afterwards
Keep up the work! This kind of content will one day be a gem in UA-cam
People like you are the reason I keep living 🌹
Since the Series always mentions Dream...what if the PC-98 Era is a Forgotten Dream and some characters who were able to return got remembered...
It makes sense, kinda like how super mario brothers 2 is a dream. But it doesn't make sense because they were definitely alive to see yumemi and the flying ship
This doesn't make sense because many people want mima back, but she isnt getting remembered
@@Momoyon What about Mizuchi?
I think a lot of people know about Mizuchi.
@@rafaelascencao6045 idk who mizuchi is...
@@Momoyon Mizuchi Miyadeguchi.
Mizuchi started with the incident of Touhou 6, ignoring all the characters of the PC-98 era.
She is a PC-98 character.
She is the main antagonist in Foul Detective Satori.
4:52 oh HEL NA Raymoo is geting crucifixationed my maria and mami
You know what should you do in the future? How about lore on individual characters based on how many appearances they made?
Would it make more sense to call them analysis videos? 👀👀👀👀
Abt the contradictions pointed on Makai and Yuuka's place, I personally don't treat those as contradictions, as one doesn't exclude the other (HRtP, MS and UFO are placed in Makai but in different places, and Yuuka can perfectly have Mugenkan and the Garden of Sun), only the Marisa part gets fuzzy, but at the same time can relate to a time before pc-98
I think that Yuuka doesn’t live in the flower fields instead she lives in the mansion but also visits the field a lot and those who meet her well…
"You have to use your imagination to fill the blank"
It's true
You know what that means... PEOPLE CAN'T BITCH TO YOU ABOUT HEADCANONS YAY
Keep it up man wonderful content my guy. Have a wonderful day i mean it much love
ZUN loves Megami Tensei and Takemoto Izumi
I think you should cover the ZUN's music collection lore, that one is also pretty interesting
Awesome video, I popped off when you said that PoDD was your favourite game.
So technically according to canon:
-Reimu might have gotten crucified
-Marisa has a nuke in her home (somewhere)
-Reimu has a (technically) dead body in her closet
Orange is underatted
Orange > Meiling
Plot twist: Orange is Meiling
@@dantelawrence4676 And Chen's name sounds like the Chinese word for Orange...
"pc-98 is cannon but windows is also cannon while both are not at the sametime." while he did make time travel a thing and the games are full of random story plots. so each one of them are there own little realities. I mean those pc-98 timelines are to mixed up. so that's my headcannon. some of the games are different realities rather just one whole story. this is japan right? very old animes used to be filled with random things even hentais were very random back in the old days. there were almost no real stories. Touhou is like this and still is today. but the game plays are actually cool and I think that's the real goal rather just the story.
1:20 heard Alice instead of Elis
Ah, I wish Zun would bring back characters from at least PoDD
So true; PoDD is the only PC-98 game where none of the characters introduced have appeared in Windows. HRtP obviously has Reimu, SoEW gave us Marisa, Yuuka debuted in LLS and MS gave us Alice.
I think the fact that Marisa is just casually given a LIVE MISSILE, makes these games peak touhou
I love touhou 3 4 and 5
Me 2
i headcanon that marisa and reimu actually killed off all people they fought . In LLL Marisa stage4 after she defeats Reimu, Reimu says “No! Don’t just kill me off like this!” Which I assume Marisa ended up killing Reimu anyways.
However, we do see Yuuka and Alice again in Windows.
There is also the fact that PC98 Touhou isn't as modable as the Windows games, so the games only got translated once. That line may be a mistranslation, just like the "Die Wily" in Mega Man 7.
Some people got sealed , not really killed
WOOOOOOOOH ELIS YEAAAH
I’m brain dead
Mima. PLS GIB MIMA, ZUN-SAMA.
While it would be cool if it were canon and there are definitive references and potential continuity, I feel as though it is less annoying to just take ZUN's word literally and leave it at "Yeah, this probably should be canon, but actually consider it on the same level as fangames". There are just too many headscratchers on the connection to these two entities alone. (Stuff like, where the heck is the actual creator of Makai in the windows era?)
And then there is the absolutely weird nonsense where Seihou Project is presumably canon to the PC98 games in some regard related to the outside world(even tho this interaction is jank at best) and because of Seihou having an independant crossover(and because two Touhou PC98-characters show up in an extra stage, probably stolen), Project Blank would also be indirectly canon in some way despite having nothing to do with ZUN at all. When such an unintentional multiverse-setting just spawns into existance beyond the creator's control due to a "funni crossover, lol" he may have wanted to walk back on anyways, I feel as though it makes sense to support the idea of "Actually, yeah, let's forget about the past", even if that isn't the actual reason why it got trashed.
ZUN's "treat them like derivative works" statement is really old (pre-IN) and comes from a time when his position was _very inconsistent,_ he'd sometimes say that you can act like PC-98 didn't happen and sometimes say that PC-98 "still lives".
Meanwhile, Windows itself made references acknowledging PC-98 events (such as Reimu in PoFV reminding Yuuka of "when I defeated you back then"; i.e. LLS).
Then in a 2013 Q&A, ZUN finally settled that PC-98 is canon except for any details contradicted by Windows (and despite what may initially seem, there are very few of those).
He never changed his position again after that Q&A; in fact, he wrote for a Yuuka article in the Strange Creators magazine that the PC-98 characters simply retired "and are warmly watching over things from various places nowadays", thus if anything it reaffirms the stance that PC-98 is canon. ❤
Uh, wasn't Marisa Yuuka's apprentice?
Nope, it was Mima
@@repatomonor21 Elly is Yuuka's apprentice
I miss Mima.
4:22 i wanna be turned into a cat too
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Im champeon
SHE IS NOT THE “COOLER SAKUYA” SHE IS NOT AS GOOD!!! SAKUYA IS ABLE TO STOP TIME!!!
You're right, she's the better Sakuya instead
@@That_One_Guy... shush b >M<
Sakuya is MUCH BETTER than her!!!
8:28 well after that they returnrd to gensokyo and sterted to live ther, and after that they created clones of themself that reimu killed becouse "ther cant be two of the same people in gensokyo" (i Wonder why flandre is stile alive)
What
@@Suwawako did you play as chiyuri and yumemi? Basicly thos colorswops are ther clones
I just read off the wiki so I couldn't have seen that detail
@@Suwawako ah i see
Whats the game in the background?
BRING BACK MIMA AND KONNGARA
Coolcool, when is the KKHTA lore?
this was absolutely painful to watch, yikes
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