2012 International 4300 Durastar with MaxxForce DT Review (Penske Truck)
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- Опубліковано 27 бер 2014
- Here is a review of the International 4300 DuraStar with a Supreme Dry Freight body. Its got a 210HP MaxxForece DT connected to a Eaton Ultrashift 5 Speed Automated Manual, 4.11Rear Axle Ratio, it weighs about 6 tons empty, and can go up to 25,500 lbs. For what it is I have no complaints, but I would much rather have a Cummins/Allison combo, because they are much smoother! This truck was retired shortly after I made the review. Can I get a LIKE?If you see this Penske I need a Freightliner next! Sorry I sound a bit sluggish. I filmed this at like 6AM. Want me to do another brand of truck? Chip in on the link in the video! Vin:1HTMMAAM9CH435993
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We just rented 2 26ft trucks. One was a 466 and the newest had a Cummins. Both had air brakes. The newer truck had air ride with a single air seat. The older truck got up to speed quicker. We did 849 miles in less than 15 hrs. 70 mph was all they would do. The dash showed 9.4 mpg and used less than 4 gals of DEF between both trucks.
I drive one of these for a truck company that has the maxxforce 7 and an Allison column shift auto. That was a nice truck and had some balls in the 300 horsepower trim.
westernkyrail I am not a big fan of the 7, but I heard they are getting better. This 190hp trim had no power.
I like it only in the higher power trims. The DT is better at it's lower power outputs. Although for the same 300 horse, a DT will give you 860 ft lbs of torque, compared to the 7's max of 660 at the same HP.
I like the tires and ramp
The DPF system kinda sucks but you have to regen the system now and then
why did it give an error message water in fuel? just bought one and gave me same message. i will get it checked out. but my question is am i going to run into more problems and should just return the truck?
Not a problem.i have rented a lot, many of them do that! Diesels separate water from there fuel in a canister under the engine and it might have detected some. Not an issue!
I can totally tell that budget is way better than penske because I rode a international durastar like that one and the 📻 picked 👆 allot better and had had good fuel mileage and picked up speed allot better. Don't know what acceleration it had though. The penske one not sure. about.
+Miranda K. Well this truck is no longer in the Penske fleet. It has long since been retired. If you watch my newer videos featuring some of there newer trucks they are much better equipped and have improved performance! Thanks for watching!
I like penske
Is this the 22 feet or the 26 feet rental truck? And what is the total height, pavement to roof top?
Harry Andruschak This is the 26ft, the biggest one they rent. The total height pavement to the top of the box truck is 12 foot 7 inches. Keep in mind though that Penske has a number of 26ft box trucks of different brands with varying heights.
What do you do when driving up and downhill
Hope that it picks the right gear.
ya shes nice. :) may i ask what r u going 2 use her 4??
Sure! I am working on getting my CDL and wanted something to practice with. And this is the biggest vehicle I could legal get and drive, drove it around for the day doing things around town and practicing alley docks for the test. Also to make a UA-cam video of :).
crazyjdkid o ok coool. :)
+crazyjdkid i bet you have your class B, get the class A
Awesome
Thanks for watching! Got a bunch more on the channel just like it!
Iam trying to get the same box truck from penske (2012 international), is international realable. Thank you
It depends on the engine. This truck with the 7.6L MaxxForce DT is fairly reliable but not as reliable as the 6.7L Cummins in a Freightliner.
The MaxxForce is a very irritable engine. If it’s running well, it’s a great durable, powerful, and reliable engine. If it’s in a bad mood, or you’re trying to start it below freezing, it’s living hell dealing with it. Almost a moot point however, they have almost completely been retired.
My 2014 durastar tow truck is running strong at 500,000+ miles, and yes they do need rebuilt like all international engines need at 250,000 miles. But it still hauls ass
So if i buy one with 220k miles im risking ut and might need to change the engine soon?
So I watched this video before renting a truck and had to come back and mention the Radio. Either you got lucky or I got very unlucky because my radio had a hard time picking up channels, wouldn't read any media devices (I tried IPhone, IPOD, my android and even a zune lol) and it wouldn't even take my CDs. I put one in and it wouldn't insert all the way into the device, even if I gave it a push. Every truck will be different, but all and all I would defiantly rent from them again. Truck was perfect other than the radio and the fact it had a hard time getting up to speed with such an under powered engine.
That's odd! The radios in these trucks aren't necessarily straight forward to operate either. They are kind of difficult to control. The radio in this one had rather good audio quality. But besides that it was hard to figure out what buttons to press. Yeah these International's with th DTs aren't speedy by any means, but trust me they are way better than the gas trucks at Uhual! Next time if you are wanting a more powerful truck with some better features, ask them for a Freightliner or Hino when you reserve the truck! Thanks for watching!
could you used this truck for dmv testing
No, you cannot.
Us in the bus world call it a hydraulic brake pump. I'm surprised International didn't put an Allison transmission in it, it's what they put in the buses.
Nashawn03-12 I was hoping for air brakes, but you get what you get. Penske is cheap, they look for what will make them the most money. I would imagine that the Allison transmission is a costly upgrade. This is my first time coming across an Eaton, makes me appreciate all the Allisons I have used. I am glad they didn't cheap out too much though, they at least had the common sense to put the DT into it. I would have brought it back if it had the 7 in it. Now Penske gets them with the Cummins, thank goodness.
crazyjdkid
The MaxxForce 7 sucks! The T444E was the best, it got a little worse with the VT365 and now with the MaxxForce it is terrible!
+crazyjdkid why i chose penske was for the air brakes, air ride and air seat. Loved it, handled like a sports car, a twelve ton sports car
I heard they are putting air brakes in these now! They started putting Cummins in them as well, I just so happened to get an older one. I will say it did drive very straight and the controls were smooth. Mine didn't have air ride or an air seat :(!
My old company is selling a 2001 International 4300 24ft box truck with an eaton 6 speed manual, DT466 and 380,000 miles. I want to buy it but not sure how much to offer. It has known overheating issues going up some hills and some electrical issue with cabin lights, the lift gate also blows fuses. Does anybody have an idea how much the truck is worth.
The 4300 wasn't out in 2001. Maybe you are thinking of a 4700 International? 6-7K maybe
+crazyjdkid It is a 4300, maybe it was a 2002 model but I know it is a first year model of the 4300. Still, do you think 6-7k would be a good deal. They also Have a 98 4700 with a 380K DT466 and 7 speed Eaton manual.that one has a bad clutch and gauge cluster and minor damage to the container, I'm interested in that one as well.
You would have some more negotiating room with the 4700. For the 4300,I think 6-7k would be good, given that the truck was well taken care of and has good tires. I would start on the lower side and present the issues that are known. Is it Air or Hydraulic brakes?
+crazyjdkid both these trucks are Air with spring suspension.
great thank you crayzyjd......
+Daniel Mariche Anytime!
Is it Max force or Crap force
+Cowgirl Wild Child It was a great engine back in the day! The more recent ones are too choked up on their own exhaust. The Cummins that replaced it is much better. Thanks for watching!
That cubby you thought was for a speaker box is actually for your 2 way radio.
santamanone Yep I knew what it was just couldnt think of it at the time. Its a good place for a CB too.
I have a 2011 international 4300 max force. Works great actually looking to sell. Automatic
146000 milea
How good are they? Am looking at one 2011, any known issues?
@@BeautiColors how much you selling it for?
How well are this engine.
@@BeautiColors u still seling
Why did u not get a Freightliner
You do not get to pick.
Omg I’m so angry at my god damn brother for using my account sorry about that my brother will get a beating
troubleshooting engine runs whit out power
About how much do these cost to rent per day round trip? Not traveling far at all
When its round trip you pay by the day and the mile. My most recent truck (not this one, look at my channel) was $55 a day and $0.50 cents a mile. Plus $20 for the LDW, $18 for Liability and $7 of misc costs. Out the door for 100 miles fully insured was a little less than $150 and diesel was another $30. Those rates are the cheapest I have gotten out of all my times renting from them, and I have a known account with them. They offer a lot of discounts than Uhual or Ryder so be sure to try any discounts you can think of. Thanks for watching and happy to answer any further questions!
crazyjdkid that doesn’t seem too bad, the only difficult part is that I’m not sure how many miles exactly I will drive. I’m using one to drive around in and practice maneuverability for a couple days so I can get the hang of something similar on my CDL B test. Thanks for the info and quick response. Most truck videos I have questions for I still don’t have a response lol
Yes these trucks are great for preparing for a CDL test. All their newer trucks have Air Brakes (don't need a CDL for them as they are below 26k), unlike the older truck in this video with hydro brakes. So it's nice to be able to run through the air brake portion of the pre-trip inspection as well. I always had issues trying to guess how many miles I would go, if your in a parking lot you won't put on much. Let them know what you plan to do and they should be able to help you out!
crazyjdkid Yeah that’s awesome man, I didn’t know that a regular license could rent these until I checked out your vids. I didn’t even have the intention to rent one. I will do a lot of maneuverability practice but I also will spend a decent amount of High way time. I’m only 22 and don’t know any CDL holders so I’m on my own but thank god for UA-cam and the manual ofc lol
I'm 22 as well! You should be good! The hardest part you will run into is finding a CDL rated vehicle to test on and someone to bring it to the testing center. I find city driving to be the most difficult. Good luck!
They always give me a freightliner.
I can't get one for the life of me. Just did another one of these reviews and ended up with virtually the same truck just 3 years newer!
+crazyjdkid The Freightliner is a lot more fun and a lot more powerful. I never got a chance to drive a international or a Hino
+crazyjdkid The International seems slower and underpowered to me
The Rookie 7117 if you can get a Freightliner with a Detroit, then you’re golden, but as a driver, i think the DuraStar’s (now the MV’s) cabin is more comfortable, and with better sound. Good thing too, you’ll be in them longer.
I used to drive one like that but it was rated for 33,000lb gross and had a single sleeper on it
This one grosses at 25,500lbs, its scary that anyone and there grandma can drive this. A sleeper would be pretty neat, what is it just a bed and some curtains?
crazyjdkid I know man, after what I had to go through and the money I had to spend to keep my CDL today it's just proof to me that the whole CDL thing is nothing but a money racket...
crazyjdkid the sleeper had a single bed pretty much and windows at the top on either side and an escape hatch on the driver side...
savagenomore Cool! Ya the dot/license office finds any and all ways to get money from you. Like charging you $20 for a digital test smh!
hey guys I have a question about this trucks , do you need the class A or B license to drive them ?
All you need is a Class C. It doesn't weigh over 26,000lbs so anyone can drive it.
from year 2013
Muito bom
guess thats the automated stick, looks like old 6 speed from below but automatic, ISB is better.. Penske buys few international now, Even international now is coming with the ISB but they put more fuel filters than freightliner
danny1460 yeah these Internationals leave a lot to be desired. Check out some of my newer vids...I have another international and a Freightliner
So you don’t need a CDL to drive a 2012 Durastar with hydraulic brakes or air and great video
Like I said in the previous one, it all depends on the specific truck. They make this truck for a number of different applications. There is a build plate inside the door with a weight rating, if the weight rating says its over 26,000lbs you need a CDL. If its below that then you don't need one. You can't just look at the truck and tell if you need one or not they look identical for the most part, you have to look at the build plate. When someone buys a truck like this from International they spec it out to how much weight they need to carry, and whatever the weight the buyer picks determines the necessity of a CDL. The only things that determine CDL is that weight rating and number of passenger it can haul. The Freightliner M2 in my other video is a CDL truck rated at 27,500lbs, and it looks exactly like the non-CDL trucks.
I like the truck
Freighliner with the cummins is where its at! These Maxxforce engines seem to suck! Idk we dont run them at our company but ive heard far to many bad things about them.... We have freighliners with cummins or cats, the cummins runs a lot better though
They are horrible and have no good acceleration what so ever. I too prefer the Freightliner/Cummins combo. I have one on my channel!
Yep, thanks.
Charles Jones freighter I don't like because everyone I use when I get up to 40 mph it shakes. I use max force engines for years
5:13 no wonder why it sounds like you're gear shifting XD
I rented one. Not a bad truck, good fuel mileage, but Penske maintenance is idiotic. The headlights were adjusted to target oncoming traffic drivers' eyes on dim; bright was for hunting owls. Out on a two lane highway in the boonies, gets dark, I turn on the headlights. Every oncoming vehicle driver goes crazy and nothing I can do. Wonder I didn't get shot or have a head-on. Alternator runs at 14.4 volts by the gauge, which over powers the lights. Penske uses something like motor oil for windshield washer fluid. Bright headlight indicator will blind you, assuming you can use bright.
Didn't drive mine much at night so couldn't really tell much about the lights with mine. A lot of people forget how high these trucks are and have a tendency to have slightly higher adjusted headlights, although that should be addressed. My washer fluid pump was broken so I didn't use it. Did you have an International, Freightliner or Hino?
crazyjdkid Identical to yours except Allison transmission.
Good year tires are only good for a year
+Jordan Woolley These ones are 3 years old.
wow...first of all this truck does not have air brakes! this is an all hydo brake system! oh and that buzzing sound is not a back up just in case you roll down hill. that is their to tell you that the pump is in working order.....
First I never said this truck had air brakes! Do you even know what a booster pump is? It is a electric operated pump that boosts the brake pressure, yes it does operate every now and then when the truck is running but also works when the engine is off in the event that you loose vacuum pressure from the crankcase and you need brakes(such as going down a hill with engine failure) Its a safety to ensure its similar to air brake standards which has an air reserve and a gear powered air compressor.
They don't like low bridges
True
they changed the body to look like the cdl trucks so they dont look like this anymore.
They essentially renamed this truck to the International MV. Still the same truck just has a different interior and can come with one piece mirrors. Thanks for watching!
crazyjdkid same truck different box now.
crazyjdkid same truck different box. and no problem buddy!!
truck it's a durastar 4300 maxforce
Piece of junk engine.
@@atx-cvpi_99 A $50 lifter went bad on mine at 200K miles, cost me 6K in repairs, I won't even mention the crappy DPF system.
@@atx-cvpi_99 my tow truck is laughing at you with 500,000+ miles
These big trucks are slow as fuck was doing about 35 on the highway had the petal to the floor
+Tommy Bragalone Where you going up hill? And what model truck did you have? These trucks are governed to 70 mph. But mine easily reached that.
+crazyjdkid yup and I don't know the transmission was a piece of shit but it was loaded way over the weight limit plus we pulled a van on a trailer we had my dads 3 tool boxes one weighs 5000 pounds the other ones were about 2000 pounds with all his tools in it
+Tommy Bragalone Think about how heavy that is. These trucks are torque monsters not necessarily speed demons. If you had a gas truck, thats the problems. The diesel trucks are significantly better.
+crazyjdkid we had the diesel truck and man let me tell you Drove it from Michigan to Florida and no joke spent about 1000 dollars in diesel when speeding up it just spit white smoke out of the pipe and I mean a lot of whit smoke the transmission was just a piece of shit it shifted so slow even with nothing on it it shifted slow
+Tommy Bragalone Ahhh! I got 13-14mpg which is really good. But I see the problem you where having. It sounds as though your truck was having DPF regeneration problems, very common on 2007-2011 diesel trucks. Which would burn through a lot of fuel. I drove 100 miles, and I spent less than $25.
nice cough
+Gordo Alcaraz Thanks man! That's what happens when stress from college builds up and messes with your body. Glad you enjoyed the video!
Maxforce engine only last about 250000 miles
*Laughs in 550,000 miles*
Allison is a good transmission , you keep knocking that Eaton Fuller trans , it is actually the best part of that truck International Harvester trucks , these 4300 & the Prostar "s are nothing but JUNK , its a very poorly engineered truck , 1st the AC system is a night are , the inside is all plastic , the stupid fuse panel is right behind that area where a glove box would normally be , it wouldn't be so much of a problem if people would keep there feet off the dash , there wiring and connections have a lot to be desired , we have at this time 10 of them straight trucks and tractors , I only fix them I have no control on what my boss buys , he may like the write offs for there expensive parts , but honestly the old harvesters were much better than this JUNK Frank t
+Frank Travaglioi I much prefer the Freightliner Business class (M2), I would like to try a Hino as well.I would really like to rent this again and do another video with the Cummins powered Durastar, maybe it powers the Eaton a little better.Unless they switched to Allison. Those old International 4700's were and still are a very tough and reliable truck. Emission compliance has ruined many manufacturers. Thanks for watching!
+crazyjdkid love old Int. 4700. Very simple but reliable and beautiful truck.
It is indeed!
+crazyjdkid M2s are very nice, they are amazing. Eaton Fuller is extremely good for manuals but Allison is the best for autos. I like manuals.
+Stewie140 The transmission in the truck was an Automated Manual. So it wasn't technically an automatic, and didn't behave as an auto. They no longer use this transmission(UltraShift HV), instead they are going to a Dual Clutch Fully Automatic transmission, similar to that of the Allison. Apparently they can idle forward and can hill hold. The new one is call the Eaton Procision 7-Speed.
MaxxForce are horrid.
+Stewie140 Depends on what MAXXFORCE your talking about. The DT is a great engine and has been around since the 70s. The MAXXFORCE 7("6.4L Powerstroke") is junk though.
Im not talking about the DT466 engine. That was an AMAZING engine and still is. A MaxxForce DT is junk because of all the emissions stuff thrown on it.
These trucks are junk.
junk............
The Truck?