How to weight and deweight your dirt bike︱Cross Training Enduro
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- Опубліковано 6 лют 2016
- Weighting and deweighting your dirt bike is important for techniques -jumps, obstacles, ruts, clearing gaps, hill climbs, and finding traction. Conversely, if you deweight at the right moment, you minimise your air time and can get the bike back on the ground and accelerating sooner. If you see a gap or series of ruts ahead, weighting and deweighting the bike allows you to clear these if you have enough speed. With ruts, even if your wheels are hitting them you are less likely to be deflected if your weight is not on the pegs. If you combine this with clutch and throttle, you get a lot of drive because you temporarily flatten the rear tyre and get a bigger tyre patch. Where possible, keep one foot on a footpeg so you can still weight and deweight the bike as needed. Remember start with easy practice drills on flat ground to get your timing right, then work this into all the techniques mentioned. Good luck! Weighting and deweighting the bike works great for many low speed techniques such as hopping logs, pivot turns and rear wheel hops - but it's also very effective at faster speeds for jumps. Many of these are low speed techniques, but weighting and deweighting is also very effective at speed for jumps, finding traction on faster hill climbs, and clearing gaps and ruts. Weighting the bike at the right moment can dramatically increase how far your bike jumps if you need to clear rough ground after the jump. In most cases, you will weight the front and rear suspension equally, but you can put more emphasis on the front for techniques such as pivot turns and wheelies. In many cases, if you are sitting on the bike in rough terrain or tackling obstacles, your body is just dead weight on the bike, and becomes part of the problem. If you stand then weight and deweight correctly, your body weight becomes part of the solution. Originally weighting and deweighting was a trials technique, where the rider's weight compresses the suspension to gain traction or climb over obstacles. You push down on the footpegs to compress the suspension. As it rebounds, you also bend your legs to take your weight off the footpegs to lighten the bike. Timing this can be difficult at first, so often it's best to not worry about the clutch. But once you get the hang of it, then start to combine a controlled drop of the clutch too as this makes a big difference for more advanced techniques. If you are in rough terrain, you can still weight your bike even if you are 'paddling' the ground with one foot.
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man, you've got very talented riders showing us the techniques. great video
Being 53 just got first KTM experience of on road bikes most of my life ... Great upload education on the off road is very exciting physical as well .. Why didn't get one of these years ago
Loving it
Love the content, camera angles and humor. I appreciate that you start with basic beginner level advice to start. Subbed!👊
Your videos get me so pumped for dirt season here in Canada and have me very excited to become a better rider and get some serious technique down!!! Your product reviews are also very helpful and I'll be taking your input very seriously when buying a new steed this season, accessories and gear! *cheers*
+Braaap85 great to hear braap, i've been posting a few more than usual because a pile of guys are snowed in and said they need more vids to get them through till spring. :)
CROSS TRAINING ENDURO SKILLS , very informative as always bro still not sure about RRtracks, probly still gonna do the low slow pop n stall , but I will practice your great advice
Riding trials on a bicycle helps a lot with the technique of weighting & deweighting, then transfer it into moto trials & later to dirtbikes
Brill tips thanks 👍🇬🇧
thank you so much for making these videos I find them very well made and VERY informative! THANK YOU!
a pleasure patrick. it's all ridiculously time consuming and the worst paying job i've ever had but the most fun because you guys are enjoying them. :)
Excellent vid!!!
This is something I need to practice more. It makes a huge difference to one's riding
+BBQ Rider same here. i keep thinking there are about six things like this i should work into a warm up routine for the first five minutes but most of the time we are lazy and just start riding...
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Sometimes I'm too lazy to even use these techniques when riding. I figure I'm still young, my spine can take it, haha!
another awesome video..thank u
always great and funny videos.
thanks its awesome technique
love these vids! I'd love to come to Australia and ride those trails!!
+2WheelMedicf8 most of these are private properties but there are plenty of similar tracks in all the state forests :)
I hope you find a way to continue doing what you love and also getting paid by some means good luck and thanks for the vids
My riding has improved a ton
Thanks again
Perfect 👌
Another option for you that you may or may not have considered is opening your own amazon store, you can put products that only you use and that you support, and for the buyer it doesn't cost them anymore, and you get a commission from amazon every time you sell a product through your "store". Might help alleviate some of the pressure from the economic downturn. I can tell you us Canadians are feeling the pain, our dollar was below 70 cents USD and there have been tens of thousands of layoffs in the oil fields!
Keep up the great vids!
+Mazzman sounds very similar to aussie problems mazzman, we are hovering around US 70c too and all our mining industry has slowed down. but still figure we are way better off than places like syria hey? thanks for the suggestion, at first i'll just aim to do a special release vid in exchange for a small donation and see how that goes.
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES that Amazon store sounds cool, you should do it. I would probably buy something from it
THNX a lot for your channel-its an enduro eldorado) And you have good sence of humour!
+17y3aH we have a ball putting them together, always a good chance to let the inner idiot off the leash :)
A few months ago, probably June, I was riding in a sand pit that has washed up to ~6 feet across. I didn't know they were so big, I was goin along 2nd or 3rd WFO and saw a huge one up ahead and I was sure I was atleast going to break my balls or a few bones. I weighted and de-weighted and floated right over, didn't feel anything. I believe you atleast saved my balls, perhaps more. Thanks for my balls, Barry.
+Justin F isn't it great when you can pull that off justin? so cool to hear, and glad the family jewels are still intact. :)
go with the ads. its simple for everyone. love your vid's, appreciate them. they'll be fine with ads.
+Ben Gibbs thanks for the feedback ben but it would annoy the hell out of me unfortunately
C'mon... Sacrificing 10 seconds of our time to put a penny in your pocket in appreciation of amazing content you publish is a win win. No need to overthink it - reaching into a pocket for some change is an effort, saying thank you (aka by watching an ad) is simply good manners!
after watching your vid I realise that I often do this subconsciously after doing motocross in my youth. often trying to de weight over a jump to spend more time on the ground for greater speed during a race and weighting the pegs when playing about to get more air.
I will have to focus on this more the next time I go into the bush here in NZ.
+Finchnz actually i've wondered how much of that would apply to mx, i've heard the idea of a whip is to reduce your air time. i know some mx oriented guys bagged this vid when i first posted it but i reckon they are valid techniques for enduro riding.
Thanks
Nice one
i was waiting for this for so long. thanks a bunch...
you could say, you were weighting for it...
+Charles “The Hammer” Martel very punny :) actually i'm not sure that is a pun?
Great video mate! I try all this stuff, but I'm very beginner, and most of the time I'm lying on the ground :D
+rojek011 we wind up on the ground a lot too but just edit those bits out and save them for our annual stacks vid :D
You're a true aussie legend!
+youkneek if by that you mean an uncultured unwashed descendant of convicts, you betcha youkneek. :)
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES haha, thats exactly what I mean, what part of SE QLD are you in, i live on the sunny coast
As a 100 odd kg rider, I find weighting my bike VERY easy, it's the de-weighting I struggle with. Maybe less junk food and more exercise would help with the de-weighting???
+JoeJoe Moto probably joe... :) actually it is quite a physical technique and if i do more than say six of these in a row i'm starting to breathe hard. it's obviously an awesome technique for all the slow stuff but the past few months i've been using it at speed and it's awesome what you can do with clearing ruts and gaps etc.
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES Nice!! I'll have to give it a go for sure.
I think I'll just stick with the ejector seat.
sometimes I fly to you and drive with you :-) you are so funny ;-D Greetings from Germany. Greeting schnitzel eater
hey mate love your videos. have got no problem sitting though an ad if i know that someone is making a couple of bucks doing what they love!
+Hamish Brown thanks hamish, personally i just hate them and don't like the idea that youtube can plaster ads from all sorts of dodgy mobs on my vids... they are dodgy enough already. :)
now to try put this advice to practice. Still a couple months of bad biking ahead in Canada!! It's funny. As we get older and continue to try to be adventurous, our balls just seem to be smaller, yet giving them a good whack still produces the same amount of pain!! Jerry
+jerry delyea ain't that the truth jerry? as my scrotum shrinks my desire to take risks shrinks as well, but a few hits on the fuel tank remind me of the pain :)
hahaha yep. (:
At 4:25 this is really good of you to be going G.Jarvis slow here. I have seen a lot of videos of stump jumping this one remarkably is great. Why! Well for us novice stump jumpers your approach is done with practice of course. You stab the wild beast with your arms PUSHING hard down on handlebars to decompress those forks really comically well! Then your compressing rear with a sneak in compress with your legs compressing the rear. I put this in SLOW MOTION and just enjoy it. Control here like no other.
Question here is "Did you do a double Blip here"...? You did this with the clutch on first Blip popping up a bit.... Then Second Blip when you had Rear ready to leave the ground and hit side of pipe? So would you say you where feathering the clutch A LOT in these moments. Thanks for this video
that was my attempt at a double clip at 4:25 lol. very hard to remember if i used the clutch much at all. possibly as i never geared the RR300 down from stock. i know on the xtrainer it's geared a bit lower so i don't need to feather the clutch on those slow approaches. glad you enjoyed the vid!
so when de weighting your pretty much slighty jumping up of the pegs? I find if I do this it feels like I'm going to be launched off the bike haha I always weight the bike but not sure I have the whole de weight aspect down as I normally just put weight on the bike an then return to the normal standing position
36 seconds :Scootering"
can you do a segment on this please. Very usefull technique in rocks
sorry only taking topic requests from supporters at this stage.... :(
Guys. I never saw tutorial video from you about winter skill enduro\cross riding ? Maybe some tricks about it, sliding, drifting , How to find tracktion etc. What you think about it ? Thx :)
+Ale Sau already done a vid about sliding/drifting.... we've called it flat track cornering or something like that. traction does get mentioned in a lot of different vids but i might make a specific vid about it soon.
sorry to hear about your job mate , few of us arrgh feeling the pinch so your not alone , least fuel is cheap atm , im no expert so this is an opinion, weighting and de weighting should come naturally as months / years , ride time progress, you either de weight or enjoy having the seat punch you in the ring all day, each to their own,
+mad benny good point benny, i think you naturally learn parts of weighting as you ride more and figure out your body positioning, but i know particularly the faster stuff i've only just started using it the last six months. re: the job, all good for a few months at least but will need to get it sorted eventually...
i am trying to perfect a chadwick hop, but so far my xr refuses to lift its heavy rear to the desired height. i am considering removing the air from my tubes and going with hydrogen. with any luck the old girl will float down the trail and hop like a trials bike. any psi recomendations to start with?
+markmtbrider creating a vacuum within the swingarm and frame helps too
What is your take on using an auto clutch? I am currently using one but I'm considering removing it and re-installing my stock clutch because I feel that I'm doing myself more harm than good. I feel that I'm losing important clutch technique.
i've done a whole vid exactly on that topic, jesse. and discussed it in one or two others as well. :) here's how to find them: ua-cam.com/video/vf7Ls_mZCs4/v-deo.html
The global economic downturn knocked on my door Dec 31st. I feel for you brother. In the process of de-weighting my life.
+sassed1 2many yeah sassed, strange when it's no longer just a news item but affects you personally. but i'm one of the lucky ones, it must be tough if you are in debt AND have dependent kids. hope your situation isn't too bad e.g. having to sell a dirt bike (i'll go and wash my mouth out with soap now).
CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES No dualsports were harmed. Own everything but my house and my kids. House is sold March 11 but you're never done paying for your kids. Seen many peers sent home last 7 years (big company). No matter how you prepare though, it's always a surreal event.
well hope you can ride out the bd times....
in what order do you think i should practise these different cross training skills. I am a beginner and have no experience in either trials or Enduro. I am just a 14 year old boy that thinks enduro is awesome, and would love to learn how to do these things.
Great videos, keep it up!
we've already broken all the vids down into basic, intermediate and advanced, dale. i'd suggest starting with the basic ones. ua-cam.com/video/vf7Ls_mZCs4/v-deo.html
yes, i thought that may have been the most basic technique.
When Deweghting in order to bring up the front wheel do you pool on the handlebars? Appreciate any help
yep but try to keep the focus on the weighting with your legs... it's very easy to focus more on the arm pulling instead which isn't as effective and tires you out faster.
Have been doing a bit of practice with this latly but have a hard time getting the front up. Does soft suspension make a difference? im quite a large rider at 130kg and have yet to get my suspension sorted.
on a 16 drz400 should add
it doesn't usually make too much difference john.... once you get the technique and timing right it's easy to pop the front up on just about any dirt bike.
With weighting and de-weighting the bike to lift the front wheel or get over obstacles how much should you pull up on the bars. I find pulling up on the bars tires out your arms pretty quick. Are you better to just use your body weight, just using the bars for the controls to not tire your arms?
covered in a few vids already james... always use your legs first, arms as a last resort
Ok thanks for the reply. Will try it out with no pull up.
My biggest problem i that i watch all that videos then maybe get out for an hour, try to pop wheelie, and then ride around.
I just feel so goofy by my self
If I try to bunny hop it looks similar to your style. I'm nearly same tall too. I think the problem is that because of our tallness we have too much weight on the rear wheel and we should move our chest closer to the handlebar during jumping. Of course we can adapt with training and fix it somehow....but in my opinion all the bikes are too short for us or the handlebar is just too close to our body. Someone should build a proper dirtbike for tall people! :)
Anyway...great video like always!!!
+Stefan Poiss i've wondered the same thing stefan. but i know some of the extreme enduro riders are tall guys and i've seen them do massive bunny hops e.g. lifted the bike six inches in the air and done a perfect arc, landing front wheel first. after seeing that i wondered if it was more my technique...
I know they can do it. :) But I think all the pros grew up with bike driving and they adopted during growing up. I mean they are doing this since they were childs. Hope you understand what I mean. If I just look at pics from you with your bike (the same with me) I see a very tall guy driving with a too small (but nice :)) bike. I mean relax, drink a coffee and look at it.... the ergonomic is not really fitting. I know we cant change that easy but I really believe it would be easier for us with taller bikes. How hard can it be to make the frame somehow longer? :)
+Stefan Poiss the obvious start for me was bar risers, steg pegz and fastway footpegs in the down and back position... but our coach chris birch said that risers and steg pegz aren't good, even for tall riders. i took off the risers but i'm keeping the rest on though.
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES
Hard to argue with Chris Birch but it's hard to accept for me. It's like someone says I must wear shoe size 44 because 46 is bad :) Mabye bar risers are bad because of bending or whatever but adjusting the size of the bike to the body can't be a bad idea.
Maybe I will buy a Beta Cross Trainer, cut this thing in 3 parts and iron it a bit longer together. I will let you know if it was a fail. I'm a honest guy :)
+Stefan Poiss i did argue with chris birch for a while actually... :) well it was just a discussion. i said i'm an older rider so comfort is important now, not just good technique. he shrugged his shoulders and 'do what you want'. i might put bar risers on the bike again as my knees hurt after riding.
What kind of bike should a street rider use to start trying to ride off pavement? I have never owned a small bike to play with balance points and compression. My bike is a little too heavy and me a little too light to really feel what my weight is doing to my suspension. After watching your videos, I am absolutely horrified at my lack of skills. I am worried I have been riding incorrectly for a few years now. Anyways, I want to try out a machine like these.... Can you recommend a good machine for a guy like me to start on? I'm 5'7" and 135 lbs if that makes any difference. My height can be a problem on some machines. Thanks.!
+Lit Rocket Studios that's a very good question but i think there would be way more criteria... budget? new or secondhand? riding to the tracks or using a trailer? two or four stroke preference? what sort of offroad riding e.g. cruisy or aim to get into gnarlier stuff as you get the skills?
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES I am thinking second hand simply because I don't need shiny plastic to learn. Crazy enough the Yamaha unreview you did actually appealed to me. But I need it road legal so I can get to the spots... I think something well rounded would be best so I could try a little of everything. then maybe focus on a specific machine down the road.
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES as far as two or four stroke, I do not know. I am of the understanding that a two stroke is going to make more power because every stroke is a power stroke but also here is Massachusetts they have done away with almost all 2 stroke motors.
how much weight can a ycf hold
What's a ycf?
If you make some kind of shirt, I would buy two.
+Michael Cocke thanks michael but international postage from australia would make them ridiculously expensive. :(
With all your mad skills, maybe you could get a job escorting the War Rig to Gastown...
+shafly67 lol i've got reasonable skill (occasionally) in first and second gear, but i figure any escort duties might require some speed at times. :)
Set up a PayPal account and ask. You are providing a product, a good product.
Nothing's wrong with making something from it. Hope everything is ok!
+SpkStephen thanks for the suggestion stephen, all will be fine for a few months. i'll set up an account eventually but i'd still like to make a special vid just for donors to say thanks and not feel like i'm freeloading. :)
Im 100 pounds and my rear suspension is super stiff so im like an ant on my 250
Re valve and set sag
Have you thought of Patreon?
+jonno85uk quite a few guys have suggested something like that as they wanted to get me to romaniacs, jonno. but figure i've left that a bit late in life and $10,000 sounds way too much for four days of riding! i'd use something like patreon if ever i had a specific project in mind and thought i could give something back at the end of it... but for now i'll aim for a special 20 min vid to just offer guys for a small donation... should be fun, i'll make sure it's particularly silly. :)
I find it hard to weight my dirtbike because I'm 14 183cm and 65kg on a 250
+Husqvarna enduro if you feel your cannot affect your bike in a significant way because its a 250 and you weigh 65kg then look the suspension setup. if its too hard on preload and you cannot get the correct sag, get it revalved and re sprung, no point riding a bike that does not work for you.
+Husqvarna enduro yep, as finchnz says, look at your suspension. our romaniac rod is about your weight and can do all these techniques fine on his stock 250EXC although he may have backed off on the damping settings.
I have same problem , 14 yrs old 174cm and te250
+Olly R-c is that the older 4 stroke or the newer 2 stroke
+Husqvarna enduro newer 2 stroke mate how bout u ?
you know i won't watch an ad but i would buy a t shirt that you made you seem to possess half a mind and are proficient in the humor department put a gut busting slogan on a t shirt and before you know it is beta babes and ktm rider all begging to breath the rarefied air that is your holyness while you ride away on your new Africa twin
+ryands126359 i'd love to design a t-shirt, i'm a graphic designer and did one for our trials club last year. but i think international postage would be the killer... it they make those africa twins in a sub-120kg enduro version i'll be all over it like a rash lol.
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES think of all the uk youtubers that have merch they sell to the u.s. and else where they probably make more money on shirts then a channel synced with adsence but hey you are the professional and I'm just the guy who rides a 36 year old twin shock honda on saturdays
Maybe in the near future there will be an electronic system for weighting/deweighting the bike for us lazy bastards. In the same way electric starters help the feeble?
+JacksonEnduro lol i'll be up for the mechanical or electronic assistance i can... clake have an electronic anti-stall and an autoclutch in development...
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES I still think that electric levers will be in the near future. Adjust as light or heavy as you want with sensors that communicate to caliper/clutch. I should look into something like that...
Instructions not clear, foot is now my tire
sounds right to me, that's how i usually end up
Renting a room out for the summer with complimentary back rubs for your most loyal subs would probably help:) That riding gear should look like a F1 racers fire suit, monetize, sponsors, product placement and commercials. Stop hooking and start pimping.
+William Zoom i could just dress like a pimp maybe? rig the beta's front forks to jump up and down to a driving bass beat?
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES That would be UA-cam gold for sure!
Whats up remember me, avex i changed my logo thats all
yes yes weight and deweight i understand the concept but what if you are an 18 year old underdeveloped 100 pound gumby that can't compress even the lightest of suspension
+ryands126359 that's a good point ryands, but with the proper suspension setup i think you'd still be able to do it... our own romaniac rod is a featherweight but can still get enough bounce to make the techniques work, i suspect he's put lighter springs in and backed off on the damping.
+CROSS TRAINING, ENDUROCROSS & ENDURO TECHNIQUES my problem is that you can't find springs in America made for anybody who is under 300 pounds
+ryands126359 sure you can! Contact factory connection or pro action etc and ask them about it.
I cant do that ):
Cuz j have no dirt bike
ur too big for you bike?
Probably too tall for any bike