Yamaha R1 v Kawasaki ZX-10R - THE VERDICT! - 44Tour EP04
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2016
- Two bikes, two days on track, two bellends: the 44Tour hits its crescendo at Parcmotor in Spain with some circuit assessment, chitchat and general trackday skullduggery.
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Alaska pipeline - learned something new today.
You want the angry dragon my friend. Jizz in her mouth and slap the back of her head so it comes out her nose... Angry dragon ;P
Two new things!
Would love to see a "Riding Technique" video by AF and BVG regarding being sexual deviants.
yeah but I'm a bit confused regarding the difference between Alaska pipeline and space docking?
The boys kinda left it hanging.
gnarshread דררר
What an amazing, comprehensive review of these bikes from every perspective imaginable. Great works guys, pure quality videos!
no one seems to mention price in any of these comparrison videos. the zx10r is the cheapest. cheaper for parts
probably cheaper servicing. all these things mean you can get very close to the pace of the fastest bikes available and save a packet. a front and rear sprocket will cost 50 quid and then its a different bike
Be honest, gen 4 and gen 5 zx10s are faster than 2015+ r1 in a straight line. But not a huge gap tho, much like a 720s or p1 (zx10r) is a bit faster in a straight line than a porsche 918 (r1).
But the 918 sets faster lap times around the track.
But you don’t get R1!
Yeah and just a reflash on the ecu would make that zx10r a different animal especially since in stock form the graph shows low rpm lag.
Yeah because it's a cheaper built bike 😂
@@davidstancu2963 my zx6r is over 50k still running. Da fuq you on?
Loved this - really good breakdown and comparison of the two bikes. You two spoke naturally and casually which brings some good humour, thrown together with some good b-roll and great sound quality
I usually can't watch your entire videos, because they make me just want to go for a ride. Or eat a sandwich
or an alaskan pipeline
The Kwaka is a looker and a goer. for the street and showing off, there is no choice.
thanks im still debating which to buy for track bike
Nice video as always. I would like to know what camera(s) you use.
What kind of pressures were you all running on the S21's Road and Track?
Ohhhh herrow. So how did the HP sauuuuusse compare to the R1 with its lap times?
Can you please tell us what laptime's HP4 achieved? I'm really interested in how much has R1 step up the game
44Teeth almost at 44k subscribers, great video as always!
How are the gearboxes on the newer Zx's, still ropey?
Just wondering did you do a lap time on the BMW ?? Wondering how they compare :)
you boys are the best! love how laid back you are... no fake acting or bullshit! straight foward raw honesty!
oh and i did just buy a 2016 zx10r! lol
Can u do the trip again with the 2017 ZX10RR?
14:07 I spilled my coffee over my desk. We need to see that thumbs up in every video you guys shoot now!
Haha Fagan's face at the start. Pure emotion. Keep up the good work, ace channel!
Good summary and scenes...
nice track day insurance ad placement, too ;)
Cheeky Baron !!!
Great video, I'm now a subscriber! What's the name of the track at the beginning?
"stopping to change the traction mode" Baron, you sure you own the r1? Traction control, slide control and power modes can all be changed on the fly! I do it all the time. You have to stop to change the actual mode you're in.
How do you manage that? The icons black out under load?
R1_Rebe1
Off throttle.
@@mattyoz0 Are you f*cking serious??? I have had my R1 for like a year now and never knew this.
@@mattyoz0 Same w the ZX10
Is the ZX10's exhaust rusted @0:44
I like this discussion type video to finish unlike many apparently. It's you two bouncing ideas and opinions on how each feel which provides the viewer with a feel for the bikes as well. Keep it up bois.
Chris, what hair product do you use? It stays so flexible and 'wet' when you put your hand through it.
I agree. Love the new R1. Great set of episodes gents! 👌🏻
How is the throttle response on the R1 in town! How is the R1 for fuel economy 90 miles! How is the seat on the R1!
Awesome.... Is R1 comfortable for riders who are short about 5.5feet
Mad questions does the mmc guy drive a silver focus in the Isle of Man 2016
I'm sure the guy was in one on windy corner early morning
soooooo do we get to see video from the TT?
R1 fuel issues.... tell me bout it..
#RunOuttaFuel-elodian
You're the CEO at RunningOutOfFuel Ltd. ;)
Try riding a Monster 1100. I get 94 Miles per tank. I once got 109!
I thought my SuperChicken was bad at 110 haha.
My Honda VTR does 93 miles (full on economy riding) before the lights on :,), 70 if your pressing on 😄
That's more like AdjrianNickelodeon issues...
The Yamaha sounds beautiful.
is there no race footage from isle of man?
14:03 the most smooth pit stop I've seen in all my life lol nice Hobbs up too.
990 smt at start ? In background
hello everybody.. please I need your help am about race motorcycle which is better kawasaki zx10r or honda cbr or yamaha
What time did the hp4 set ?
What is the name of the sound track that begins @ 00:41
Perfect timing on the Kriega discount - Cheers gents!
I was hoping to see more of the 899 :( i love the look of the new design for this year
Which year Zx10r is that?
You haven't included the HP4 in the conclusion. Would have liked to know how it compares just for the sake of prospective.
Awesome video, such nice bikes
When is the blog from the Lightweight TT race coming?
what was the 1st song?
Music title?
Hello,
What is the difference between the 2016 model KRT and the 2017 model KRT? Why is the 2016 model cheaper than the 2017, if are the same? Many Thanks
Alen4805 its just paint
could you make a new video for 2020 v4r s1000rr mpackage zx10rse r1m gsx1000r and the cbr1000rrr
Anyone know the track/song at 0:57?
One of the best, funniest bike shows!
Love the funky beats (what/who is it?) from 45secs into the video... nice one. Vids keep getting better and better.
I 'd love to see a raw video onboard on the R1 !
It's coming tomorrow!
I would also like to see 44Teeth going raw on the R1
Raw-dog?
Raw-dog or nah, dawg.
So can owners of these bikes flash the ecu’s and get away with it? Or is this eu4 thing part of like a yearly emissions test?
Interesting you guys mentioned the fuel usage for the R1... I had a 04 and 09 and now 05 Fireblade and my mate 09/2013 R1 and all my blades had/have better fuel mileage than the R1...
Was that Baron's GS at the end there?!
You pair are living the dream lol :-) good vid.
Please use a wind deflector for the mic.
Agree with most of what you said lads. I can attest though, with a sprocket change, the ZX wakes up to the point of fun. Also running with the engine limiter set to L, it takes a lot of the chop out of the throttle. The more you know!
is that barron von grumble???
Congrats on the 44K likes guys
I could have gone my whole life not knowing what an alaskan pipeline was, you took that away from me.
+44teeth are you guys using the kreiga us 20 or 30?
Both!
awesome 30 on the zx and 20s on the hp and r1?
+44teeth awesome 30 on the zx and 20s on the hp and r1?
Ohh yea, been waiting for this...!
Mr. Fagen. The 2015++ version of the S1000RR is Euro4 compliant already. Its in the spec list. Its called 'Euro4 ready', because its not enforced yet. :-)
Is a 15 v 15 ?
When you show the black & white clip of Al after being stung in the eye he really looks like that fella Steve off the Unadateables.
so how do they compare to a 1299 Panigale? I know comparing twins to 4 cyls are a huge difference but... The R1 now has comparable power, if not quite as much torque.
These reviews are so misleading. Kawasaki is always used in its most neutered form. Euro 4 and us spec zx10r for comparisons to bikes that aren't restricted isn't a real review of what the bike can do. The zx10r with flash , pipes and 30 dollar gear change is roughly the same, if not more power and feel as a BMW s1000rr. And I always see these reviews talking trash about inline 4's like it's a trash motor. But all dominating bikes in any class are inline 4's not v twin, not v4. From 98 Yamaha r1 , 2002 gsxr 1000, 2005 gsxr 1000 to 2010 BMW s1000 to current zx10rs have been world champion superbikes for the past 20 years. Keep talking about soul and feel GTFOH. For anyone looking to buy a bike u won't regret. Buy an inline 4! End of story.
Agree, let's see a review with other bikes that meet the latest Euro regs about to come in, a right pair of t......'s. You guys need some self respect not to mention food, gross! FRO Un-sub for me.
I don`t know where you get your information, but you are talking rubish! You say that since 1998 inline 4s have dominated every class?! Where? If you take WSBK as the highest class there is, the inline 4s are completely beaten and at the bottom!
Since 1988, the founding of WSBK, Ducati's V.. correctly L-Twins won the championship 17 times!!!
Honda won 4 times with a V4 layout and in 1999 was so desperate, eventhou 2nd, that they've rather made their own V-Twin to try to beat Ducati. Guess dumping money into an RC45 that nobody bought was too expensive even for Honda...
Aprilia won 4 championships with her V4, but I guess we can call the 2010 titel a cheating, because of their gear driven cams, so after disqualification Ducati would be the championship winner.
And finaly we have 5 championship wins by your beloved inline 4s... Wow!
So I'd be more careful with what you say there.
Yes inline 4's are more succesful in BSB, which has an incredibly high standard and they are more succesful in cup races all over the world. That's true!
It comes from the thing, that it's easier to tune them, it's cheaper, way cheaper, to run them and it's way easier for riders to ride them. Any non-ace rider will be quicker on an inline 4, but the best will be able to benefit from the V-Twin and V4.
BTW., not even in MotoGP were inline 4s a real succes... The only manufacturer able to win with a inline 4 layout was Yamaha, but all other succesful makes were V4's even in the two stroke era.
And not anyone will apreciate a inline 4 even on the street. I am completely bored of inline 4's. Really! Don't like the way I have to rev it like a maniac to get something out of the engine. It all went to trash with 1000cc inline 4's, where the displacement takes care of everything, but 600's... Only on Ducati's I learned to enjoy corners and not the full throttle open on the straight sections between them.
Everybody has it's opinion and everybody likes something different, but that is the reason, why not every bike is an inline 4 and I am so happy about it!
And to be honest, an aircooled, 2 valve engined Monster 1000 was the most funny bike I've ever ridden. It is so rewarding without puting you into danger and every twist of the throtle makes you smile and feel warm!
I guess I have to see for myself, if I really need that 160hp, but maybe one day I'll get back to that aircooled L-Twin and enjoy tight turns.
Personaly I don't understand the need of a 200hp Supersport on conventional roads, using just the 1st three gears out of six and if you want to hammer it go to the highway and destroy your tire by flattening it. How many people do track days on their superspoorts? Only a few out of them who buy them.
TinoBeano MotoWorld you sound like a child that just had his toys taken away
Well John McGinnis gets it done very well on the Kawasexi on the Isle of Man TT. Which that track truly tests the bikes capabilities.
@@Nonicknameleftforme 4 years later and still a mic drop comment lol
Ok so the HP4 is better than both then?
Excellent series, I think I'd have the R1 as well :-)
As for euro4 stuff, would it be worth doing a video explaining how it is going to effect bikes (considering Honda have just used it as a nail in the coffin of the 600rr)?
Honda probably used Euro4 as an excuse to axe a bike that's doing very bad in sales. The 600 SS class isn't as popular as it once was.
But what time did hp4 run?
+1! I thought the HP4 and 899 would be in the test?? "We also chucked in a HP4 and 899 BSB bike because why not ;)"
We only had slicks for the R1 and ZX-10 R so it would be an unfair timed result if we tested the HP4.
I'm glad someone else uses the 'vinegar strokes' euphemism haha!
stupid question time... will euro4 still apply to us now?
i dont actually know... technically we COULD be free to change.. but i doubt it will happen as manufacturers would need to produce a seperate UK version and the UK is still commited to what they call... "climate change"......
+BaronVonGrumble my thoughts too, if they changed the laws people would wet their panties
i'm sure the Americans and such get the same Euro4 regulated bikes we do as it would cost to much for manufacturers to develope/assemble separate bikes for non compliant countries...if we don't adopt Euro4 as a country, there may be a chance we can get away with changing exhausts etc to help 'open up' the bike, to early to know really, good question though.
+heathy912 i dont know about that. cars and bikes sold in california (one of our states) have more emissions parts than vehicles sold in all other states. yamaha for example doesnt put the immobilizer system on our bikes either. if the stuff doesnt need to be there im sure the manufacturer isnt going to put it on so they can keep the price lower.
ducati shipped non euro 4 bikes to usa,Australia & new zealand.
I feel like your voice/music levels are way off from each other. I had to turn up the volume to hear you speak and then down because the music was too loud for me.
Love the ''alaskan pipeline'' reference, our entire (albeit small) office had much hilarity talking about it once I bought the topic up, and they couldn't believe it was bought up as part of a motorcycle review video, they imagined a top gear kinda affair but for bikes and couldn't comprehend a bike equalivant of Jeremy Clarkson talking about Alaskan Pipelines and Space Docking. Anyway it gave us all belly laughs for many hours. Keep up the good work.
Alaskan pipeline. Now I have heard it all. Great video guys
THAT, looks like a fabulous track.
What about S1000RR?
Good finale and general summing up guys - but for an every day bike that will commute as well as do the odd track day, take the S1000rr?
Or the HP sauce
+Mike Pop If I happen to win the lottery, definitely
Ben WoodHead do what baron did and get a second hand one ;)
+Mike Pop I would if like him I had a mate who's binned one not too badly. Or had a mate.
Ben WoodHead i too wish i had friends with more expensive bikes
The HP4 is sitting at the back, chuckling at the two kiddies debating who's better.
I wish you guys sold merch. to the US
so will there be more TT episodes, talking about the race itself where you participated and so on?
Yep, landing next week!
44Teeth
great
just a shame that the TT doesn´t allow you to use any onboard videos
Where did your friend get that 2016 Kawasaki ZX 10 rear seat cowl? I need one as well
+blueleague it's Kawasaki UK's press bike, hence the aftermarket goodies
+44Teeth thank you for the response
5:12 don't use this in a base layer advertisement.
I really hate how this isn't getting as much as views as it deserves! :l
Feet and miles - we stateside appreciate you chaps using these units of measurement but I'm curious why?
if we come out of europe will anything change( no euro 4)??
Can't see the manufacturers making dirty bikes just for us Brits...
Unlikely. Manufacturers prefer large markets to be governed by the same sets of rules to reduce costs. If Kawasaki, BMW, Honda etc didn't have to follow Euro 4 rules in the UK, they'd only be making a bike compliant for one, comparatively small, market. It wouldn't make sense.
Maybe the ONLY good thing about Brexit? But it's unlikely to happen, would be just too expensive.
+Nathan Bellows nooe, because America doesn't have euro4 so they'd just ship us the same model. Also Honda will not sell the cbr600rr over here next year because it costs too much for them to make a new one euro4 compliant. Although, non euro4 countries will still be able to buy new ones.
One way or another, vehicles will be emissions tested whether it's by European standards, American standards or by whatever new rules get dreamt up by our own government. It's not like their hard work is that difficult to undo - full exhaust system + PCV, job done. I agree it's a shame about the CBR600RR, although its demise is really a sign of the larger picture when it comes to mid-size sport bikes. Why have a 600 when you can buy a 1000cc bike with a raft of electronic safety features making it almost as usable as a 600 for not a lot more money? In terms of engineering the challenges are almost identical to produce a 600 as it is for a litre bike. 600s are a dying breed.
"Knock on a weird frenchman's door" is that a euphemism?
Guys, please just start a TopGear Motorcycle edition!
Shit, better audio and quality than all the other "motorcycle publications". And with the same income as Uzbekistan.
Feels like the HP Sauce is the elephant in the room here, like "...this is so good at everything we're just not even gonna talk about it." Is that the case? :)
boys any plans to come to Australia?
Should used the zx10rr even with minor changes it's still faster the krt
Having spent some seat time on both I would take the R1.
So would a full system, rearsets and minor gearing change make the ZX10 into an R1 beater, or do you think the nature of the R1's engine will always make it a more interesting bike than the ZX10?
Having watched the R1 carefully this year as a possible next race platform, I see major issues with the traction control, wheelspin and wheelies. The bike has some really good qualities, but at race pace it is not performing and these reasons are paramount. The big race teams are even having troubles, and they have factory support with custom computers, etc. The main issue is that TC will abruptly cut and re-set causing the shock to pump and it'll jack the front end right out from under you... that is, if the "slide control" doesn't burn the rear tire off with unpredictable slides. To get it all working right takes a work of genius. The chassis seems really good, the engine is definitely strong, but the package just isn't working for amateur / semi-pro teams.
+Steve C We've talked about the R1 before I don't know if remember really. I'm just here to add that, in my national one liter class, the new R1's dominate, especially in tight circuits with low traction. Take that as you will
+Steve C rave teams you see on tv are not running stock electronics. most teams use magneti marelli. and most racers turn it off or so far down it doesnt appear to be working. after all, it does limit power output.
You really can't compete on the R1 without electronics, the problems that the TC try to fix exist but worse on a race bike without it - the very light rotating assembly and short wheelbase make the bike a handful at pro speeds. The R1 is *NOT* dominating in SuperStock classes, where you can find bikes you can actually buy without a large-dollar factory sponsorship agreement like Graves has. The RSV4 has been dominating in WSST and MA SST, in club racing it's mostly the ZX10R and S1000RR. The RSV4 and ZX10R are also doing extremely well in AUS SST.
Idiot i just read about R1 in fastbikes-superbike and last Perofrmnce bikes where Michael Rutter is the pilot and he said it was the best TC ever and best race bike stock vs stock he had ever tried the amature where agreeing hmmm but you know better i`ve also ridden the new R1 and it`s the best bike agile and TQ and flickability bike i`ve ever ridden..
And i own a well tuned Gen4 zx10r with 200.5rwhp new shock that being said that R1 was insane good and thats was stock.. The only probleem with it is the slipper clutch when you go from 6-1 gear it can lock up that means getting out of shape aa bit..
Looking forward to the Harley Davidson fat boy review boys!!!
I'd still rather have a Street or Speed Triple R/RS than the kwacker or R1 . Better kit, fit, finish, ergos, even for the current generation one. More fun to ride AFAIC.
Baron looks like hes going for elbow down !
OMG YESSS!!!!! This is HOW YOU MAKE A VIEWING PROGRAM ya Rustytrumbon
I will still take the Kawasaki any day of the weak. Yamaha just not my kind of bike and BMW bit more expensive.
You and me both brother! 👍
I'm a massive Kawasaki fan but if I had to choose one of these it would be the new R1 but that does not mean the Kawasaki is a bad bike as it isn't its a fantastic bike but not quite as refined as the Yamaha
Adam Stratford
WSBK since '15 has been all Zx-10r, ironically the same year this "new" R1 came out to WSBK. You say "refined"?! Lol Kawi has won 15/16/17 WSBK based on this 2011 zx-10 model. Refined is what this zx-10 is....R1 lots of technology but on the track, where it matters; is a big disappointment. A lot of R1M owners were pissed to see what the zx-10 has done since 2015. Yes I own a Kawi, but that's the truth; too much hype. Just look at 2017 WSBK and see where this R1 has come compared to Zx-10. Hint R1 not even a podium in any of the first 4 rounds. This is world level riders, factory backed and based on production bike models. Had to vent this all out-way too much hype this R1...if it was close in the races it would be understandable, but the race results are embarrassing for Yamaha, and they know it, and so do you. And all the other R1 lovers. WSBK champ 3 years in a row!!! This year is a copy of last 2. 4 rounds 4 1st's enough said.
bonnie boriboun rant away I actually 💚 the Kawasaki Zx10r and Zx6r I'm a big Kawasaki fan
Full exhaust and a sprocket change and I think will make the zx10r a beast.
Wrong it has full exhaust you only need to remove CAT but it wont gain as much as the other bike casue the end can is tuned propperly at Kawasaki.. This system they allso has as a option by on the "new"zx14 and they got 8whp gain even when the CAT was on.. so when they removed it only 2whp gain.. ALL 1000cc kawasaki trough time has full titanium exhaust