Go beyond Sengol. Why there’s such hype about Chola dynasty in India today
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
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Through claiming to remember the past, political parties are appropriating history at an unprecedented scale. This obscures the much more interesting reality of medieval India. Anirudh Kanisetti explores this phenomenon through the Sengol furore.
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Here are the scholars and books we read to research for this video:
Cox, Whitney. Politics, Kingship, and Poetry in Medieval South India: Moonset on Sunrise Mountain. South Asia Edition. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2016.
Karashima, Noboru. Ancient to Medieval: South Indian Society in Transition. Oxford Collected Essays. New Delhi: Oxford University Press, 2009.
Orr, Leslie C. Donors, devotees, and daughters of God: temple women in medieval Tamilnadu. Oxford University Press, 2000.
Rao, Velcheru Narayana, David Shulman, and Sanjay Subrahmanyam. Symbols of substance: Court and state in Nayaka period Tamilnadu. (2002).
Soneji, Davesh. Unfinished gestures: Devadasis, memory, and modernity in South India. University of Chicago Press, 2019.
Spencer, George W. The Politics of Expansion: The Chola Conquest of Sri Lanka and Sri Vijaya. Madras: New Era Publications, 1983.
Subbarayalu, Y. South India Under the Cholas. New Delhi: Oxford University Press, 2012.
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The Sengol is as much appropriation and rewriting history as Ashok chakra was.
Except that Ashoka chakra went as a flat visual on a flag. Dint get unveiled to a line up of buddhist monks chanting from Buddhist scriptures as the flag got hoisted. That would have been very weird indeed...symbol becoming literal
@@hema_raghu cry louder
The argument that the Cholas had been forgotten by the succeeding rulers also does not carry much weight with me. Ashoka had been forgotten for centuries - which intervening ruler mentioned him? His memory was revived by archaeological finds in the 19th century. The Lion Capital of Ashoka, a giant replica of which graces the Parliament building and that is the state emblem of India, was excavated in 1904-05, after being forgotten for millennia. That didn't prevent it from being tied into the newly independent India. What should prevent the Sengol from joining the Ashokan lions (apart from Chacha Nehru's disdain)?
Who denies that Mauryan Empire symbols were used to create all-India nationalism- a political purpose? But at least the Mauryan symbols were picked up not to alienate any stream of the politics of that era. Ashoka was a secular king. He was personally a Buddhist(and neither Hindu nor Muslim, so didn't generate communal controversies), created a perception of all-Indian empire due to its size, also created a show of non-violent Dhamma(which is opposite of imperialism), etc.
But today that doesn't stop a historian to question the popular history around Mauryan empire, including the size of that empire, the actual influence of that empire, the extent of influence of Dhamma policy, etc. It's the job of historians to always search for truth, and be somewhat away from political reimagination of history.
@@grapeshott Not truth - just narrative. You have facts and then interpretation of the fact to suit a narrative.
@@grapeshott that Ashoka was not Hindu seem to be plus point for you?
@@grapeshott So according to you if we celebrate any hindu king it becomes controversial/communal...only when we celebrate other religions we are secular?
Don't you think it is hypocrisy of sorts?
@@grapeshott I hope you are aware that Ashoka massacred Kalinga after conversion to Buddhism!
Bruh what even is this video it didnt anwer anything . You would think it will talk about the Sengol but instead this is a weird rant about how Cholas were not a centralized modern republic (which literally no one said it was ). Also the quote by Mohan Bhagwat is taken out of context and misrepresented BY A WHOLE LOT. Bhagwat was refering especially to the ancient times that is good governance in the Ancient Times (not the present). This whole video is a nothing burger
Aniruddha you better stick to history. We don't need your political views here. Slowly and steadily you are bringing negativity to our history by selectively sharing parts of history. Keep to your line
one more evidence for British politician Thomas B Macaulay vision OF CREATING a class of persons, Indian in blood and colour, but English in taste, in opinions, in morals, and in intellect was succeed is here
Exactly 💯
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Right
Exactly. We call then Brown coolies or Kaale angrez
3:05 "Because the chola period was a innovative time, quite different from what came before, we might as well retur to the iron age and build megaliths"
Sums up this guys entire attitude towards history he isnt able to conform into his narratives. Loves watching him rant on, hope to see him get more oppurtunities to show his true colors...
Marathas fielded a ‘Brown Water' navy capable of operating only in coastal water compared to the Cholas ‘Blue-water’ maritime force that could independently navigate the open oceans. But why should the Indian government ignore the Mighty Cholas and put the Maratha king Shivaji symbol on the flag of the Indian Navy?
Both of them were not the best ones of their times .
Maratha was vastly inferior to portuguese and chola was to Chinese
@@mohitanand1844 It is wrong to compare Shivaji with Chola who conquered Sumatra Island of Indonesia by crossing 2257 miles / 3632.29 km / 1961.28 nautical miles from Nagapattinam port in Tamil Nadu.
@@devotion240 not comparing just stating the fact. Sumatra has a low population conquering it would have been no big deal and I don't even think there is a war
@@mohitanand1844 nope, Chola Navy was by far the greatest navy of its time (900ce to 1200ce). The Chinese Ming Navy under Zheng He was the greatest from (1400 to 1500) and the Portuguese Navy was greatest from (1500 to 1600). British and French Navies were greatest from (1700 to 1900).
@@mohitanand1844 Conquering Sumatra was no small feat. The Mongols under the Yuan Dynasty had launched several invasions to the Majapahit Empire were all failures. The Cholas managed to defeat the Great Srivijaya Empire.
@Print - You have got a good team. However you really need work on your historian hiring process ! We know print don't enforce opinions but this video does rather facts . Avoid amateurs. Hope you will get right historian.
Any real historian will kill all the hype .what chola lungs were upto in actual with is something else
Kanisetti is young but definitely not an amateur. His book Lords of the Deccan has received high praises from almost all contemporary writers and researchers of history.
Hello Friends,
Let me clarify why I made this comment. I highly appreciate that someone asked to refer his book, however I have gone through his book reviews which echo my thoughts.
As a history major, I’ve interacted people who did PhD in Hathigumpha inscription/Chola Maritime activity and people went all the way to China to collect Xuanzang evidence to cross-verify facts about Pulakesh empire.
Our approach towards history has got changed lot!
It’s not the old school history evidence collecting method as National Archives/Epigraphic evidence/Numismatic evidence, now people are approaching history in all dimensions such as data visualization/mathematical modelling to prove or disprove our history. In this era, opinions aren’t facts, in that sense he is an amateur!
You write one book and get praise from a similar bubble of left wing confused aficionados doesn't constitute his status as some universal voice @@ujjayiniojha5818
Why blame the politicians for politicising history, all history is - first there was left bias for decades and now right bias or correction for a few years; hopefully this will bring at least the mainstream historical narrative to the centre; even this series of videos in ThePrint seems to have a theme motivated more by political ideology than in narrating history; if ThePrint really aims to be a voice of the centre (unlike let’s say TheWire or scroll etc), they need to balance this set of videos with another by Vikram Sampath, Sai Deepak etc
Yes this man till not came out from slave mentality
Well said! This set of journalists are too left leaning to call The Print as un-hyphenated. Saying it a million times doesn't make it so.
Where is he doing Left or Right? Just saying that the legacy of empires is being exaggerated and used for politics is "Left"? And of course, any historian will have some bias. But that doesn't mean they should exaggerate the "glory" and "pride" of Indian empires. History isn't a propaganda tool for nationalism.
@@grapeshott But I am sure he will not say anyhing negative on the Mughals... stating facts there will make him lose his job
@@grapeshott does that justify printing chapters gloryfying afghan & mughal dynasties and just a small para ( sometimes missing ) for various medivial large hindu kingdoms hindu kingdoms like
VIJAYANAGARA,
MAHAMEGHVAHANA
GAJAPATI OF ODISHA
AHOMS
MARATHA EMPIRE etc?
Also very less importance on pre islamic empires?
Of course the building up of a national narrative is political. Second, the more immediate connection is actually not with the Cholas, but with an event that happened just as India was shedding British rule. Any indigenous artifact from that instant would have served.
But it is given to king
Am i the only one feeling that this video is biased and setting it's own agenda on us ?
Isnt this video politically motivated??? Just asking
I wonder if kanisetti will apply the same logic he applied to the cholas to the mughals dynasty - if no modern Indian were to celebrate or claim any legitimacy of rule on the mughal dynasty in the coming 100 years, would it not be appropriate to accept this socio cultural developement and ignore mughal history completely?
Or is it that different historical yardsticks are applied to the mughals and the cholas?
Seems like the only nation-building was done by Mughals by this Darbari Historian.
We need to look towards Mauryan and Gupta empires along with Vijaynagar.
Too much focus on kings....
@@grapeshott Agree - I am sure no problem if the kings are Hindus
@@grapeshott there should be
@@grapeshott Who do you want to focus it on? British agents like Gandhi and Nehru?
Only mauryans & cholas were greatest of their times ...all other indian empires comes after them..
Your keennessnto play down the Cholas is so obvious.
Every historian had an agenda or bais, the recent pro native narrative is to correct the all over glorification of Mughals, just to prove secularism and Modern by our Cha Cha. Every one should get a chance to write their agenda. Its ok.
Please point out the past mistakes also before pointing this out.
India had literally influence in south east asia people still have sanskrit names cultures celebrating Ramayana Mahabharata. Budhism extended to Afghanistan China. Pure cultural dominance of India in the entire region. The Golden period of Indian history from 400 BCE to 1200 ACE. Yet we are taught about muslim rulers and British colonisers and Ahomas Marathas, literally left out. Pathetic. 😂😂😂😂 yay lets study about Aurangzeb and that too sanitized version of it. 😂😂
Even the cornoration during the king of Thailand sings a tamil song ...that much impact chola has
Another fool peddeling his (or his masters) "Opinions" as facts using the euphemism 'more likely'. Please save your bredth -- bharatiyas can see through such sophistry.
I am guessing that the host is from Andhra. He did not miss the beat to use the Nayakas in his introduction. Parochial thinking is alive and kicking!
I'm glad that the BJP is in power putting forth all this rich history as part of rebuilding/ re-discovering our old heritage. This is good. I tell this as a Christian, what was even more surprising was that the Saiva Vellalar who run the adheenams were the ones who presented the sengol at the parilament. Sengol linked to Cholas linked to Saivites Vellalar, it was very symbolic and highly signiificant ancient tradition. Ironically, back in the old days, the landed gentry and aristocrats of Chola courts were primarily the vellalar particulary of the shaivite stock, so in a strange way it was like the past was getting highlighted on that special day. My guilty pleasure of the whole thing is, being a Saiva Vellalar Pillai myself, it was interesting to see major representation that day of my people. you can say I am totally biased and support what happened that special day :D
"There is no original history anywhere" - that statement should tell anyone of the standards of historians like kanisetti who think of history as a weapon for ahaping narrative rather than as a subject to be learnt for the value of the knowledge...
Well what is not calculated politics in India, well for that matter any part of the world. The over glorification of Muslim rulers by the left historians and demeaning/marginalizing those that came before 9th century is a calculated political move. But no one, even today dare to challenge. Why history that far, History of India since 1900s is riddled with lies and propaganda and even today we believe it with closed eyes. But when the other side does exactly the same, you feel so irritated that you come out as champions of truth. Can we really have an honest discussion about Gandhi, Nehru, Bose, Ambedkar, Godse, language lunatic political groups, etc., without being threatened one one section or the other? The yard stick should be same for everyone. Changing it based on your convenience shows your hypocrisy, duplicity or your quest to peddle propaganda to serve your political master.
India had literally influence in south east asia people still have sanskrit names cultures celebrating Ramayana Mahabharata. Budhism extended to Afghanistan China. Pure cultural dominance of India in the entire region. The Golden period of Indian history from 400 BCE to 1200 ACE. Yet we are taught about muslim rulers and British colonisers and Ahomas Marathas, literally left out. Pathetic. 😂😂😂😂 yay lets study about Aurangzeb and that too sanitized version of it. 😂😂
The era before the 9th century was quite backward and near barbaric. From Turbans to music, Salwar to Chapati-Sabzi, literature to architecture proto-Hindus had to copy those Muslim rulers. Even the Marathas had to wear Mughal cloths rather than the loin cloths.
@@hawkingdawking4572 Indians had headgear (look up the ancient sculptures) and cloth/silk based clothing that were traded with Rome, Arab and Greece and the Raga based music makes our music different from anything Persian or Arabic. As for language, writing, sculpture and architecture... check the number of Hindu buddhist Unesco world heritage sites across Asia. Coping a religion from Jews and Christians does not make you original
@@hawkingdawking4572 There is NOTHING in the Umma from the period of the 6th to the 13th century, which matches the artistry, sheer size, and grandeur of architecture that was built in India around that time.
Come back and wake me up when you find something in the Umma which matches the size and beauty of the granite temples of Southern India or rock-cut caves/temples found in Central and South India.
Whatever so-called architecture that was built in the Umma came much later, built on looted wealth, using techniques from the West and also from India. The less said about the so-called literature and language of the Umma the better.
@@adityabanerjee7145
Raga based music is post 16th century. The so-called ancient sculptures which quite rare with Turbans on are in fact from the Medieval times. This fact is accepted even by extremist Hindus who are in majority.
Okay, but here is the thing. Why is the US Senate and the entirety of Washington DC modeled after the ROMAN empire.
Why is the ROMAN eagle the symbol of America?
Why is the statue of Abraham Lincoln at the Capitol modeled in a similar style to the statue of Jupiter from Roman/Greek Mythology. Why is a giant Egyptian obelisk kind of structure (The Washington Monument) present in Washington DC. None of this is part of US history, they culled it all and put together borrowed motifs.
In light of that, India using it's older ancient civilization to model it's parliament is a non-issue.
I have read articles of Mr. Kanisetty before. And I have always felt a little bias towards the ideas he puts forth on the trio Chera Chola Pandiya. His caste name proudly displayed in his credentials and his Twitter handle shows his Kannada lineage, no wonder he talks rubbish about Cholas only to portray Rashtrakutas as the greatest. It's a pity I would say. A historical woke. I don't care a bit about Sengol or Modi, but cannot stop from commenting here on woke ideas on histories. Whatever you may say, TN history is now growing with kiladi excavations only to shut the mouth of such culturally jealous perverts.
Politically motivated fool who doesn't understand what's the job of a historian
Well said 👏👏👏
India had literally influence in south east asia people still have sanskrit names cultures celebrating Ramayana Mahabharata. Budhism extended to Afghanistan China. Pure cultural dominance of India in the entire region. The Golden period of Indian history from 400 BCE to 1200 ACE. Yet we are taught about muslim rulers and British colonisers and Ahomas Marathas, literally left out. Pathetic. 😂😂😂😂 yay lets study about Aurangzeb and that too sanitized version of it. 😂😂
I am disappointed with this vacuous straw-man argument. The sengol is not a Chola emblem just because it was presented by the Thiruvavaduthurai adheenam. The sengol emblem was used by many Tamil dynasties (by the way, there is no explicit connotation of being a symbol of divine appointment). Thiruvavaduthurai simply happens to be in traditional Chola country. It is more appropriate to call the sengol a Chola emblem because it is a Tamil concept described in sangam literature. The Nayaka's and the Marathas were not ethnic Tamils and did not trace themselves to Sangam times. The sengol could certainly have been called a Pandyan emblem. But that does not make it incorrect to associate it with the Cholas.
No one claims that Bharatanatyam is a pure surviving cultural tradition. It may have gone through many avatars. The south of India has, in many ways, preserved more cultural artefacts and traditions. To name a few -- temple architecture, literature (sangam literature, e.g.,), music that is less influenced by middle eastern influences, etc.
It is only natural that the Vijayanagara empire looked to the Pandyas. The Cholas were long gone by their time. The previous dominant (indigenous) power were the Pandyas.
'Good governance' is not the opposite of 'militaristic', nor does it equate to a 'modern state'. One could describe the Chola-age prosperity and patronage of art as good governance.
If the RSS chief praises the Cholas, that does not make them 'Hindu nationalist heroes'. By the way, the RSS leader talks about cultural influence in SE Asia. This has been twisted to mean military conquest.
Finally, for heavens' sake, please pronounce native names correctly. amRta-ghaTeswara -- not amRta-ghaaTeswara. Thiruvavaduthurai -- not Thiruvaduthurai. For that matter, please pronounce English words like 'sceptre' correctly.
Despite your claim that the Sengol is irrelevant and politicised, and you obviously seek to paint its revival as a purely Hindu extremist ploy, you cannot however ignore the fact that this Sengol was specifically commissioned as an instrument of transfer of power from Colonial to Indian hands. Leave aside its resemblance in pertinence to earlier Indian empires, which by your own claims are irrelevant to this particular modern instrument of transfer of power that you so disparagingly call an "artefact". Was not this "artefact" specifically intended, commissioned, constructed and presented as the physical symbol of the nation gaining its freedom? Why then was it kept as an irrelevant museum collection piece with the specific derogatory mention that it was a "walking stick" when every character of it cried out that this was an object to be venerated? In reality, the real politicization of this particular "artefact" started in 1947 when in order to downplay and downgrade the primarily Hindu character of the Indian nation the then powers-in-place decided to sever any and every link, no matter how remote, to Hinduism and relegate it to the oubliettes. That kind of politicized appeasement is what is being unravelled and discarded today and Indians, in particular the Hindus, are being taught to raise their heads in pride and not be ashamed of themselves or of their past. Apologists for the self-deprecating, inferiority complex generating leadership of the past such as The Print, just cannot understand words like being proud of oneself and of one's past. Servile mentality does not encourage self-pride.
Why every attempt by this guy to explain Indian history to us comes coupled with massive attempt to belittle it ? He spent a lot of time explaining that Chola administration was not particularly great against the touchstone of modern practices!!! Really ?
We have already gone beyond Senegol, You guys also pls move over it 😂
I don't understand why we should not discuss Chola...we have been discussing only about akbar ashoka or gandhi ji in books...it is high time we discuss ahom south kingdom and maratha
06:38 isn't it the truth ? The first education minister Maulana Kalam Azad completely downplayed Marathas , cholas etc but for his brotherhood the Mughals he dedicated entire syllabus !
Another BIASED 1 SIDEDED HISTORIAN
This guy is an idiot. For him, probably nobody exists in the past.
Is it true that the Sanathana Dharma is of 19th century ?
You should look at Malaysia for cholas where Chulan is a coveted family name with lineage to Raja Chulan who is Rajendra Cholan and most are muslims today
Sri Lumay is a half chola half Malay who ruled Cebu now in Phillipines
Yes the impact of chola was so deep
We are having literature evidence in tamil more than 2000 years ago about sengol in thirkural and silapathikaram. I think you have aversion on tamils
My dear printed shirt ..why the hype and eagerness to play down the historical fact of sengol and nehru?
List page numbers with your sources
History made stupid, science made stupid, economics made stupid. Anything that confirms preexisting biases and feels good is pressed into service. All hail the pursuit of a little knowledge!
Why should an unqualified Serfoji II Bhonsle use the title of Cholas?
The Chola Dynasty was defeated by the neighboring Pandya Dynasty and the rule of the Cholas ended in 1279. Following this victory, Thanjavur, which was under the control of the Pandyas, came under the control of the Sultan of Delhi after a civil war, and subsequently under the control of the Vijayanagara emperors after defeating Ala-ud-Din Sikandar Shah and conquering Madurai and the Nayaks who followed them. In 1675 CE, Vyankoji Bhosale the younger brother of Shivaji under the command of sultan of bijapur Sikandar Adil Shah defeated Alagiri(hindu telugu nayak ruler), and captured Thanjavur. He did not, however, place his protege on the throne as instructed by the bijapur sultan, but in 1676 Vyankoji seized the kingdom and crowned himself king of Thanjavur. A descendant of this Vyankoji Bhosale was Serfoji II Bhonsle who ruled Thanjavur from 1798 until his death in 1832.
Current India has a foundational problem, there is a vast difference between the India that Congress represents of an India whose history began with the arrival of the British in India , whereas the Bharat that BJP and RSS represents is many millenniums old. What BJP/RSS represents is a nation that goes back to Indus Valley civilisation and is older than the arrival of first conquerors/invaders. Bharat is synonymous with this great landmass that was born on the banks of the Indus river, so should we say even the name of the Indus river is wrong.Hind/Hindustan,Bharat is many 1000 years old. When the congress was formed it was basically formed as a Indian lobby, was a great thing to do, representing the concerns of Indians, but was formed of the elite of India, the kings, rulers, Zamindars, and they preferred to negotiate, talk over dinner with the British, but the concerns of the individual communities were not addressed, hence why All India Muslim League was formed in 1905, but this created another problem, Congress was talking about India, and AIML was talking about Muslims, but what was missing here? No one was talking about the largest section of the population, Hindus were scattered all over, from NWFP in Pakistan to Kanyakumari, but there was nobody to represent the largest section of the population, and they waited for 20 years till 1925 when Savarkar thought of this great nation that was 1000s years old and the original inhabitants of this nation hence why RSS was formed, Hindutva is about feeling Bharatiya and not just about feeling Indian. The installation of Singol, represents the original Bharat, not just India, my father is a retired Naval officer and brother is a serving Naval officer, they have served or currently serving on Ships and establishments that derive their names from the original Bharat, they served in INSs not Hindu Naval Ships, there is nothing Hindu about these ships/establishments everyone serves in them Hindus, Muslims, CHristians, Sikhs, Parsis, Jews, there is no room for distinction or discrimination in the Armed Forces. Even saying Jai Hind, is that a Hindu thing, no it is about us all being Bharatiya, not just Indians
Please don't discuss chola ..only discuss Moghal...otherwise Moghal wont be happy...
trying to look like an intellectual with the books beside , are we?
To whom does the sengol trace back to, as a sculture holding a similar sceptre was spotted in 7th century temple at Pattadakal, karnataka?
No one. As a nation we should look towards Mauryan and Gupta empires
@@mohitanand1844no towards long lived chera chola & pandya
Yes it is there in Pattdakallu's Sri Veerupakaha temple on the Nataraja statue.740 AD
@@raghuls1515 😂😂😂😂
@@mohitanand1844 🙃
Anybody who has actually read about that dynasty and what they were upto wouldn't want to appropriate any of it
So did Alexander.. So did Caesar.... And they have been appropriated since their very deaths. The German Kaiser and Russian Tsar both titles trace its origin to Caesar.. And I don't have to speak about Alexander.. Yet we know what they did.
@@ritikshaw5868Alexander and Caesar weren't portrayed like saints .the thing is everybody is saying cholas were most righteous virtuous while the history is showing different things
Actually it makes a lot of sense, rather than popular narrative to find alternatives to deleted history
I suggest we remove sengol and install tippu sword to make the congress goons happy.
Sir u mean to say that chola dynasty never existed or they were not great administrators as it is made out... I didn't understand
This guy is very biased as he is a Kannada guy who does not like the fact that his favourite Kannada Chalukya Dynasty is not discussed like the great Chola Empire. There was no empire in South Asian history which successfully invaded large parts of Southeast Asia like the Chola Empire and which controlled the region for almost 100 years from the reign of Rajendra Chola to the reign of Kulothunga Chola
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I’m at a loss as to why some speakers on this channel have adopted this whispering & asthmatic affectation! I’ve never met an Indian who speaks like this. Perhaps it’s an attempt to appear more academic, unprejudiced & refined… but the monotonous drone makes the speech incomprehensible. Also reminds me of Stevie from ‘Malcolm in the Middle’ vibes.
Your desperation is more evident, since 28 may your writeup and videos shows on how the castle of lies is breaking. Why are u so deperate to not let other side of medieval history should come to centre stage, a non mughal history should be part of medieval times? Your book lords of deccan has many false narratives before people sell that book as scrap go and edit it.
What has lead to various similarities between indian and greek mythology??
Bro its easy, if Modi governments wants to govern Tamizh Nadu, forgo Hindi imposition and strengthen Tamizh in TN itself. He simply needs to win the mind and hearts which is the language.
Tamil and dravidian languages are more culturally rooted to hinduism than Hindi
If we are to glorify Cholas as embodiment of good governance, we seem to forget that they were quite blood thirsty marauders who prided in public exhibition of what they plundered after destruction and plundering of Chalukya and Rashtrakoota centres, not to mention the various settlements on the East coast over 300 years of their reign. We must give them credit for being master builders of the beautiful edifices in Tanjavur, Gangaikonda Cholapuram, Darasuram, albeit financed from the many 'conquests' and plundered resources. Yes, if the present dispensation wishes to emulate their skills at twisted narratives to glorify themselves as well as their extraordinary passion to be divisive, they are welcome to use them as their role model!
Which one was the true history of Bharatanatiyam? I think all the events mentioned was the history of Bharatanatiyam - even the appropriation of the artform by a tamil middle class - that is evident if one has a reasonable mindset of history. No one is ignoring the evolution of the dance form by claiming that the modern version is a inheritor of a previous version of the same dance form. But someone like you suggesting tthat there is only one history attached to a socio cultural phenomenon of the artform while all othwrs are invalid appropriations of the danceform are the real deniers of the history of said danceform..
Come to the point on sengol
Is it a false narrative or there is some truth
Perhaps do PHD paper on the sengol to support your view.
If not just is walking stick.
Sengol has mothing to do with democracy. People with autocratic traits may perhaps admire it.
Ya we know. This guy hates BJP. That's all.
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He's getting paid for parading his pet hate... By " Print " as well as certain western sponsors ..
the answer is who cares? bharatnatyam is beautiful indian dance form.. i watch it because i love it not because so called socio-cultural history nonsense.
The narrator is distorting history, Sengol is not a modern artifact, Thirukkural talks about Sengol and Thirukkural predates Pallavas. Bharat Natyam’s saiva connections have been recognized in the dancing siva Nataraja of old Saiva religion predating cholas. The presenter wants to make his false point that there is no Continuous Hindu history in India
Another Dhruv Rathee 🤦🏻
Now that was a waste of time. I don't need a historian to come tell me history is being politicized. You have to live under a rock to not realize that yourself.
I want a historian spending way more time going into the nitty gritty history of things! What WAS the chola period like? Was there any lasting impact it left in contemporary India? What is the archeological evidence like for the things that ARE substantial?
I want to hear less of what there is little evidence for and more of what there is a LOT of evidence for.
I identify as a Wikipedia historian.
Go check every developed nation have similar icons
Who takes pride in their culture!!
It’s not matter or religion it’s cultural of the land
I know many who came from Arab on camel back and their supporters will not understand… don’t expect also
Saw few comments sanatan dharma was not there during chola time
Man totally mind washed
No knowledge of history shame on such creatures !!
Con vert Kanisetti trying hard to wiggle out a desperate narrative to suit his agenda 🤣
I like print truly neutral news neither in favor of gov or opposition
Nice to see print nurturing young talents. Mark my words, in 20 years time many from print team will start their own reporting instruments of that time.
Your/English educated historian ‘s interpretation is absurd, does not go with the national resurgence!
who cares about his 2 cent knowledge on history?
Bcz Indian ppl trying to throw colonial era. They also throwing Mugal era bcz they believed they were oppressed by them and this is truth or we can’t ignored. Distortion of history back fired
Better late than never
Wow
Blah Blah Blah….he is playing to the Sickular gallery.
mmh
This was a completely pointless video
Anirudh, your analysis is awesome. Also, in my opinion, when we consider history, there are mainly two factors, perceptions and time. There can be hundreds of perceptions in that era, and these got changed with time and will continue.
Fact is Hinduism didn't exist during chola Era.. still according to RSS chola kings were hindu kings.. 😆🤣😂
What??? Chola made hundreds of temples including angkor wat
Now don’t tell Angkor wat is Buddhist temple!!
I really feel pity on your knowledge of history
Peaceful community??
Very True. Cholas worshipped and built Temples for Gods like - Ganesha, Vishmu, Shiva, Parvati, Laxmi, Nava Graha (9 Planet Deities). These are not Hindu Gods.
bro that's some interesting stuff you smoke there.. you are completely disconnected to reality my man😆🤣😂
Thanks Anirudh for this unique perspective of history , based on facts rather than just notions.
Shukra hai ki Bihar me susasan Babu aur lalu yadav ki 1850 crores ki bridge construction karne se pehle dhadaaam ho gya, 100 saal purane morbi bridge pe rajniti karne wale neta aur BJP k khilaaf zahar ugalne wali media ek saath black hole me lapata ho chuki hai, ek baar ja k inspection hi kar aate teju bhaiya apne chacha aur bhaiya k saath lekin iftar party me murga khichne Wale baba bageswar ko rokne me Lage huye hai
Keep Crying 🤣 What a Waste
Well said and presented. We love to revise history to suit our tastes. In my books, idolizing the past and feeling nostalgic about it doesn't do any good to the present.
You are parroting a narrative... Cholas, mauryas , Marathas are our identity which has been systematically erased and it needs to come at the forefront so new generation dosent become brown coolies
a sane noble historian, speaking facts in an insane indian society!
Modi Hindu nationalist india
Waste of time
Modi vote bank propoganda😂
others are no different.. if modi is bachelor degree then congress did masters and communists did PhD in propaganda..
p.s: your british masters wrote the curriculum
All Raja Danda ( stick ) points to use of Absolute power and is a sign of oppression of the weak or weakened. We are bringing that and doing Puja to it.
Haven't we seen British, and Aristocrats use a stick? Sengol was a ancestor of that stick
You don't understand the difference between the septor used by european and the Dharm Dand
Sengol is different from Raj Dandh in that it also incorporates "equality, justice for all, etc,".
@@dhanabalathunampillai2280 may be. But Sengol is definitely not Democratic no ?.. any Raja is not elected 'equally' or through any process, nor accountable. Raja and his good times are celebrated. The ordinary person s story is never discussed or celebrated. All Mahabharata speaks is success or failure of Raja, but never about any ordinary person. The Sengol and Mahabharat or any such don't represent true modern values.
@@kalyannnBH is the ashoka chakra, 4 lions democratic then? You ppl seem to have no problem when a dynasty ruled India defacto for almost 60 years post independence in your so called democracy. None of you batted an eye. It's okay not to like a particular party in a democracy but to create a lie that everything evil under the sun is happening under Modi and completely living in that lie is hypocritical to the core.
@@lantherpagdi who is talking about Rahul Gandhi? I can understand how you think. Good luck
Once a religious symbol is allowed to enter in to a secular or a secularized institution, there is no turning back. Just a couple of years ago we had Sikhs who felt entitled to fly the sikh khalsa flag over the red fort. Now the Hindus have their Sengol in the indian parliament. What next ? Maybe the Christian cross over the former Victoria station at Mumbai or the Islamic crescent over the Charminar in Hyderabad?
What about the state emblem of India? It is Buddhist, with a motto taken from the Upanishads. Any objections?
@@arungupta3509 Why object? I would say go the whole hog. Why just stop with symbols of Buddhist or Hindu religion ? Bring in more symbolism from all religions of India and make it part of the national heritage and institutions.
Go check every developed nation had similar
It’s not matter or religion it’s cultural of the land
I know many who came from Arab on camel back will not understand
@@PeacefulSecularGuy The persians/arabs may have come on thoroughbred arabian horses while the locals were busy sacrificing their horses away in aswamedha yagnas. Go check that out. There are lessons to be learnt there perhaps.
@@rp8028 Certainly! Of course, if we use the crescent moon some will see an Islamic symbol and others will see Shiva's adornment.
Modi is the New dynast 😅
Why invite only the Hindu Priest?? Is there any regard to other minority religious groups?? Has the idea of Secularism, "Equal respect" been written off by the BJP??
They were all there: ua-cam.com/video/TxVVMQXdiwY/v-deo.html
Thats what heppen when you watch left media. In case you dont know go watch the full video. There was a Muslim Maulvi, Christian priest, Jain priest, Budhist monk, Jew Rabbi so on and on from different faith all praying. Yet they only show you Hindu Priests. 😂😂😂😂 Pathetic left media.