Go beyond Sengol. Why there’s such hype about Chola dynasty in India today

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  • Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
  • #ThinkingMedevial
    Through claiming to remember the past, political parties are appropriating history at an unprecedented scale. This obscures the much more interesting reality of medieval India. Anirudh Kanisetti explores this phenomenon through the Sengol furore.
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    Here are the scholars and books we read to research for this video:
    Cox, Whitney. Politics, Kingship, and Poetry in Medieval South India: Moonset on Sunrise Mountain. South Asia Edition. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2016.
    Karashima, Noboru. Ancient to Medieval: South Indian Society in Transition. Oxford Collected Essays. New Delhi: Oxford University Press, 2009.
    Orr, Leslie C. Donors, devotees, and daughters of God: temple women in medieval Tamilnadu. Oxford University Press, 2000.
    Rao, Velcheru Narayana, David Shulman, and Sanjay Subrahmanyam. Symbols of substance: Court and state in Nayaka period Tamilnadu. (2002).
    Soneji, Davesh. Unfinished gestures: Devadasis, memory, and modernity in South India. University of Chicago Press, 2019.
    Spencer, George W. The Politics of Expansion: The Chola Conquest of Sri Lanka and Sri Vijaya. Madras: New Era Publications, 1983.
    Subbarayalu, Y. South India Under the Cholas. New Delhi: Oxford University Press, 2012.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 272

  • @qashcorrea6608
    @qashcorrea6608 Рік тому +56

    The Sengol is as much appropriation and rewriting history as Ashok chakra was.

    • @hema_raghu
      @hema_raghu Рік тому +4

      Except that Ashoka chakra went as a flat visual on a flag. Dint get unveiled to a line up of buddhist monks chanting from Buddhist scriptures as the flag got hoisted. That would have been very weird indeed...symbol becoming literal

    • @guurindersinghsfather1068
      @guurindersinghsfather1068 Рік тому +9

      @@hema_raghu cry louder

  • @arungupta3509
    @arungupta3509 Рік тому +71

    The argument that the Cholas had been forgotten by the succeeding rulers also does not carry much weight with me. Ashoka had been forgotten for centuries - which intervening ruler mentioned him? His memory was revived by archaeological finds in the 19th century. The Lion Capital of Ashoka, a giant replica of which graces the Parliament building and that is the state emblem of India, was excavated in 1904-05, after being forgotten for millennia. That didn't prevent it from being tied into the newly independent India. What should prevent the Sengol from joining the Ashokan lions (apart from Chacha Nehru's disdain)?

    • @grapeshott
      @grapeshott Рік тому +3

      Who denies that Mauryan Empire symbols were used to create all-India nationalism- a political purpose? But at least the Mauryan symbols were picked up not to alienate any stream of the politics of that era. Ashoka was a secular king. He was personally a Buddhist(and neither Hindu nor Muslim, so didn't generate communal controversies), created a perception of all-Indian empire due to its size, also created a show of non-violent Dhamma(which is opposite of imperialism), etc.
      But today that doesn't stop a historian to question the popular history around Mauryan empire, including the size of that empire, the actual influence of that empire, the extent of influence of Dhamma policy, etc. It's the job of historians to always search for truth, and be somewhat away from political reimagination of history.

    • @adityabanerjee7145
      @adityabanerjee7145 Рік тому +2

      @@grapeshott Not truth - just narrative. You have facts and then interpretation of the fact to suit a narrative.

    • @fullaranag
      @fullaranag Рік тому +3

      ​@@grapeshott that Ashoka was not Hindu seem to be plus point for you?

    • @pratham3507
      @pratham3507 Рік тому +8

      @@grapeshott So according to you if we celebrate any hindu king it becomes controversial/communal...only when we celebrate other religions we are secular?
      Don't you think it is hypocrisy of sorts?

    • @HRC294
      @HRC294 Рік тому +7

      @@grapeshott I hope you are aware that Ashoka massacred Kalinga after conversion to Buddhism!

  • @InDefenceOfSavarkar
    @InDefenceOfSavarkar Рік тому +9

    Bruh what even is this video it didnt anwer anything . You would think it will talk about the Sengol but instead this is a weird rant about how Cholas were not a centralized modern republic (which literally no one said it was ). Also the quote by Mohan Bhagwat is taken out of context and misrepresented BY A WHOLE LOT. Bhagwat was refering especially to the ancient times that is good governance in the Ancient Times (not the present). This whole video is a nothing burger

  • @paragyt6743
    @paragyt6743 Рік тому +12

    Aniruddha you better stick to history. We don't need your political views here. Slowly and steadily you are bringing negativity to our history by selectively sharing parts of history. Keep to your line

  • @continuity1845
    @continuity1845 Рік тому +42

    one more evidence for British politician Thomas B Macaulay vision OF CREATING a class of persons, Indian in blood and colour, but English in taste, in opinions, in morals, and in intellect was succeed is here

  • @surajs5913
    @surajs5913 Рік тому +10

    3:05 "Because the chola period was a innovative time, quite different from what came before, we might as well retur to the iron age and build megaliths"
    Sums up this guys entire attitude towards history he isnt able to conform into his narratives. Loves watching him rant on, hope to see him get more oppurtunities to show his true colors...

  • @devotion240
    @devotion240 Рік тому +40

    Marathas fielded a ‘Brown Water' navy capable of operating only in coastal water compared to the Cholas ‘Blue-water’ maritime force that could independently navigate the open oceans. But why should the Indian government ignore the Mighty Cholas and put the Maratha king Shivaji symbol on the flag of the Indian Navy?

    • @mohitanand1844
      @mohitanand1844 Рік тому +1

      Both of them were not the best ones of their times .
      Maratha was vastly inferior to portuguese and chola was to Chinese

    • @devotion240
      @devotion240 Рік тому +7

      @@mohitanand1844 It is wrong to compare Shivaji with Chola who conquered Sumatra Island of Indonesia by crossing 2257 miles / 3632.29 km / 1961.28 nautical miles from Nagapattinam port in Tamil Nadu.

    • @mohitanand1844
      @mohitanand1844 Рік тому +2

      @@devotion240 not comparing just stating the fact. Sumatra has a low population conquering it would have been no big deal and I don't even think there is a war

    • @dwarasamudra8889
      @dwarasamudra8889 Рік тому +5

      @@mohitanand1844 nope, Chola Navy was by far the greatest navy of its time (900ce to 1200ce). The Chinese Ming Navy under Zheng He was the greatest from (1400 to 1500) and the Portuguese Navy was greatest from (1500 to 1600). British and French Navies were greatest from (1700 to 1900).

    • @dwarasamudra8889
      @dwarasamudra8889 Рік тому +10

      @@mohitanand1844 Conquering Sumatra was no small feat. The Mongols under the Yuan Dynasty had launched several invasions to the Majapahit Empire were all failures. The Cholas managed to defeat the Great Srivijaya Empire.

  • @gopim4088
    @gopim4088 Рік тому +25

    @Print - You have got a good team. However you really need work on your historian hiring process ! We know print don't enforce opinions but this video does rather facts . Avoid amateurs. Hope you will get right historian.

    • @mohitanand1844
      @mohitanand1844 Рік тому

      Any real historian will kill all the hype .what chola lungs were upto in actual with is something else

    • @ujjayiniojha5818
      @ujjayiniojha5818 Рік тому +3

      Kanisetti is young but definitely not an amateur. His book Lords of the Deccan has received high praises from almost all contemporary writers and researchers of history.

    • @gopim4088
      @gopim4088 Рік тому +1

      Hello Friends,
      Let me clarify why I made this comment. I highly appreciate that someone asked to refer his book, however I have gone through his book reviews which echo my thoughts.
      As a history major, I’ve interacted people who did PhD in Hathigumpha inscription/Chola Maritime activity and people went all the way to China to collect Xuanzang evidence to cross-verify facts about Pulakesh empire.
      Our approach towards history has got changed lot!
      It’s not the old school history evidence collecting method as National Archives/Epigraphic evidence/Numismatic evidence, now people are approaching history in all dimensions such as data visualization/mathematical modelling to prove or disprove our history. In this era, opinions aren’t facts, in that sense he is an amateur!

    • @navinkumarpk86
      @navinkumarpk86 8 місяців тому

      You write one book and get praise from a similar bubble of left wing confused aficionados doesn't constitute his status as some universal voice @@ujjayiniojha5818

  • @anirvanbanerjee7985
    @anirvanbanerjee7985 Рік тому +49

    Why blame the politicians for politicising history, all history is - first there was left bias for decades and now right bias or correction for a few years; hopefully this will bring at least the mainstream historical narrative to the centre; even this series of videos in ThePrint seems to have a theme motivated more by political ideology than in narrating history; if ThePrint really aims to be a voice of the centre (unlike let’s say TheWire or scroll etc), they need to balance this set of videos with another by Vikram Sampath, Sai Deepak etc

    • @raghuls1515
      @raghuls1515 Рік тому +10

      Yes this man till not came out from slave mentality

    • @tejraju
      @tejraju Рік тому +7

      Well said! This set of journalists are too left leaning to call The Print as un-hyphenated. Saying it a million times doesn't make it so.

    • @grapeshott
      @grapeshott Рік тому +3

      Where is he doing Left or Right? Just saying that the legacy of empires is being exaggerated and used for politics is "Left"? And of course, any historian will have some bias. But that doesn't mean they should exaggerate the "glory" and "pride" of Indian empires. History isn't a propaganda tool for nationalism.

    • @adityabanerjee7145
      @adityabanerjee7145 Рік тому +7

      @@grapeshott But I am sure he will not say anyhing negative on the Mughals... stating facts there will make him lose his job

    • @admiralgeneral4466
      @admiralgeneral4466 Рік тому +1

      ​@@grapeshott does that justify printing chapters gloryfying afghan & mughal dynasties and just a small para ( sometimes missing ) for various medivial large hindu kingdoms hindu kingdoms like
      VIJAYANAGARA,
      MAHAMEGHVAHANA
      GAJAPATI OF ODISHA
      AHOMS
      MARATHA EMPIRE etc?
      Also very less importance on pre islamic empires?

  • @arungupta3509
    @arungupta3509 Рік тому +29

    Of course the building up of a national narrative is political. Second, the more immediate connection is actually not with the Cholas, but with an event that happened just as India was shedding British rule. Any indigenous artifact from that instant would have served.

  • @pradeepc2584
    @pradeepc2584 Рік тому +7

    Am i the only one feeling that this video is biased and setting it's own agenda on us ?

  • @akshayjannu678
    @akshayjannu678 Рік тому +6

    Isnt this video politically motivated??? Just asking

  • @surajs5913
    @surajs5913 Рік тому +9

    I wonder if kanisetti will apply the same logic he applied to the cholas to the mughals dynasty - if no modern Indian were to celebrate or claim any legitimacy of rule on the mughal dynasty in the coming 100 years, would it not be appropriate to accept this socio cultural developement and ignore mughal history completely?
    Or is it that different historical yardsticks are applied to the mughals and the cholas?

  • @NeelanjanBandyopadhyay
    @NeelanjanBandyopadhyay Рік тому +5

    Seems like the only nation-building was done by Mughals by this Darbari Historian.

  • @mohitanand1844
    @mohitanand1844 Рік тому +21

    We need to look towards Mauryan and Gupta empires along with Vijaynagar.

    • @grapeshott
      @grapeshott Рік тому +5

      Too much focus on kings....

    • @adityabanerjee7145
      @adityabanerjee7145 Рік тому +3

      @@grapeshott Agree - I am sure no problem if the kings are Hindus

    • @mohitanand1844
      @mohitanand1844 Рік тому +3

      @@grapeshott there should be

    • @dukethotness
      @dukethotness Рік тому +1

      ​@@grapeshott Who do you want to focus it on? British agents like Gandhi and Nehru?

    • @raghuls1515
      @raghuls1515 10 місяців тому +1

      Only mauryans & cholas were greatest of their times ...all other indian empires comes after them..

  • @any7334
    @any7334 Рік тому +4

    Your keennessnto play down the Cholas is so obvious.

  • @vagishnaganur5663
    @vagishnaganur5663 Рік тому +9

    Every historian had an agenda or bais, the recent pro native narrative is to correct the all over glorification of Mughals, just to prove secularism and Modern by our Cha Cha. Every one should get a chance to write their agenda. Its ok.
    Please point out the past mistakes also before pointing this out.

  • @thethreespikes9737
    @thethreespikes9737 Рік тому +8

    India had literally influence in south east asia people still have sanskrit names cultures celebrating Ramayana Mahabharata. Budhism extended to Afghanistan China. Pure cultural dominance of India in the entire region. The Golden period of Indian history from 400 BCE to 1200 ACE. Yet we are taught about muslim rulers and British colonisers and Ahomas Marathas, literally left out. Pathetic. 😂😂😂😂 yay lets study about Aurangzeb and that too sanitized version of it. 😂😂

    • @raghuls1515
      @raghuls1515 Рік тому +2

      Even the cornoration during the king of Thailand sings a tamil song ...that much impact chola has

  • @anuragrt
    @anuragrt Рік тому +4

    Another fool peddeling his (or his masters) "Opinions" as facts using the euphemism 'more likely'. Please save your bredth -- bharatiyas can see through such sophistry.

  • @RaguRaghupathi
    @RaguRaghupathi Рік тому +4

    I am guessing that the host is from Andhra. He did not miss the beat to use the Nayakas in his introduction. Parochial thinking is alive and kicking!

  • @neoblackcyptron
    @neoblackcyptron Рік тому +6

    I'm glad that the BJP is in power putting forth all this rich history as part of rebuilding/ re-discovering our old heritage. This is good. I tell this as a Christian, what was even more surprising was that the Saiva Vellalar who run the adheenams were the ones who presented the sengol at the parilament. Sengol linked to Cholas linked to Saivites Vellalar, it was very symbolic and highly signiificant ancient tradition. Ironically, back in the old days, the landed gentry and aristocrats of Chola courts were primarily the vellalar particulary of the shaivite stock, so in a strange way it was like the past was getting highlighted on that special day. My guilty pleasure of the whole thing is, being a Saiva Vellalar Pillai myself, it was interesting to see major representation that day of my people. you can say I am totally biased and support what happened that special day :D

  • @surajs5913
    @surajs5913 Рік тому +4

    "There is no original history anywhere" - that statement should tell anyone of the standards of historians like kanisetti who think of history as a weapon for ahaping narrative rather than as a subject to be learnt for the value of the knowledge...

  • @sarvartha-the-everything
    @sarvartha-the-everything Рік тому +15

    Well what is not calculated politics in India, well for that matter any part of the world. The over glorification of Muslim rulers by the left historians and demeaning/marginalizing those that came before 9th century is a calculated political move. But no one, even today dare to challenge. Why history that far, History of India since 1900s is riddled with lies and propaganda and even today we believe it with closed eyes. But when the other side does exactly the same, you feel so irritated that you come out as champions of truth. Can we really have an honest discussion about Gandhi, Nehru, Bose, Ambedkar, Godse, language lunatic political groups, etc., without being threatened one one section or the other? The yard stick should be same for everyone. Changing it based on your convenience shows your hypocrisy, duplicity or your quest to peddle propaganda to serve your political master.

    • @thethreespikes9737
      @thethreespikes9737 Рік тому +3

      India had literally influence in south east asia people still have sanskrit names cultures celebrating Ramayana Mahabharata. Budhism extended to Afghanistan China. Pure cultural dominance of India in the entire region. The Golden period of Indian history from 400 BCE to 1200 ACE. Yet we are taught about muslim rulers and British colonisers and Ahomas Marathas, literally left out. Pathetic. 😂😂😂😂 yay lets study about Aurangzeb and that too sanitized version of it. 😂😂

    • @hawkingdawking4572
      @hawkingdawking4572 Рік тому

      The era before the 9th century was quite backward and near barbaric. From Turbans to music, Salwar to Chapati-Sabzi, literature to architecture proto-Hindus had to copy those Muslim rulers. Even the Marathas had to wear Mughal cloths rather than the loin cloths.

    • @adityabanerjee7145
      @adityabanerjee7145 Рік тому +5

      @@hawkingdawking4572 Indians had headgear (look up the ancient sculptures) and cloth/silk based clothing that were traded with Rome, Arab and Greece and the Raga based music makes our music different from anything Persian or Arabic. As for language, writing, sculpture and architecture... check the number of Hindu buddhist Unesco world heritage sites across Asia. Coping a religion from Jews and Christians does not make you original

    • @jarjarbinks3193
      @jarjarbinks3193 Рік тому +1

      ​@@hawkingdawking4572 There is NOTHING in the Umma from the period of the 6th to the 13th century, which matches the artistry, sheer size, and grandeur of architecture that was built in India around that time.
      Come back and wake me up when you find something in the Umma which matches the size and beauty of the granite temples of Southern India or rock-cut caves/temples found in Central and South India.
      Whatever so-called architecture that was built in the Umma came much later, built on looted wealth, using techniques from the West and also from India. The less said about the so-called literature and language of the Umma the better.

    • @hawkingdawking4572
      @hawkingdawking4572 Рік тому

      @@adityabanerjee7145
      Raga based music is post 16th century. The so-called ancient sculptures which quite rare with Turbans on are in fact from the Medieval times. This fact is accepted even by extremist Hindus who are in majority.

  • @neoblackcyptron
    @neoblackcyptron Рік тому +3

    Okay, but here is the thing. Why is the US Senate and the entirety of Washington DC modeled after the ROMAN empire.
    Why is the ROMAN eagle the symbol of America?
    Why is the statue of Abraham Lincoln at the Capitol modeled in a similar style to the statue of Jupiter from Roman/Greek Mythology. Why is a giant Egyptian obelisk kind of structure (The Washington Monument) present in Washington DC. None of this is part of US history, they culled it all and put together borrowed motifs.
    In light of that, India using it's older ancient civilization to model it's parliament is a non-issue.

  • @jagannathrajagopalan921
    @jagannathrajagopalan921 Рік тому +4

    I have read articles of Mr. Kanisetty before. And I have always felt a little bias towards the ideas he puts forth on the trio Chera Chola Pandiya. His caste name proudly displayed in his credentials and his Twitter handle shows his Kannada lineage, no wonder he talks rubbish about Cholas only to portray Rashtrakutas as the greatest. It's a pity I would say. A historical woke. I don't care a bit about Sengol or Modi, but cannot stop from commenting here on woke ideas on histories. Whatever you may say, TN history is now growing with kiladi excavations only to shut the mouth of such culturally jealous perverts.

  • @killuauchiha777
    @killuauchiha777 Рік тому +14

    Politically motivated fool who doesn't understand what's the job of a historian

    • @mohankrishnamrajudasariraj8043
      @mohankrishnamrajudasariraj8043 Рік тому +4

      Well said 👏👏👏

    • @thethreespikes9737
      @thethreespikes9737 Рік тому +1

      India had literally influence in south east asia people still have sanskrit names cultures celebrating Ramayana Mahabharata. Budhism extended to Afghanistan China. Pure cultural dominance of India in the entire region. The Golden period of Indian history from 400 BCE to 1200 ACE. Yet we are taught about muslim rulers and British colonisers and Ahomas Marathas, literally left out. Pathetic. 😂😂😂😂 yay lets study about Aurangzeb and that too sanitized version of it. 😂😂

  • @ganesan1729
    @ganesan1729 Рік тому +3

    I am disappointed with this vacuous straw-man argument. The sengol is not a Chola emblem just because it was presented by the Thiruvavaduthurai adheenam. The sengol emblem was used by many Tamil dynasties (by the way, there is no explicit connotation of being a symbol of divine appointment). Thiruvavaduthurai simply happens to be in traditional Chola country. It is more appropriate to call the sengol a Chola emblem because it is a Tamil concept described in sangam literature. The Nayaka's and the Marathas were not ethnic Tamils and did not trace themselves to Sangam times. The sengol could certainly have been called a Pandyan emblem. But that does not make it incorrect to associate it with the Cholas.
    No one claims that Bharatanatyam is a pure surviving cultural tradition. It may have gone through many avatars. The south of India has, in many ways, preserved more cultural artefacts and traditions. To name a few -- temple architecture, literature (sangam literature, e.g.,), music that is less influenced by middle eastern influences, etc.
    It is only natural that the Vijayanagara empire looked to the Pandyas. The Cholas were long gone by their time. The previous dominant (indigenous) power were the Pandyas.
    'Good governance' is not the opposite of 'militaristic', nor does it equate to a 'modern state'. One could describe the Chola-age prosperity and patronage of art as good governance.
    If the RSS chief praises the Cholas, that does not make them 'Hindu nationalist heroes'. By the way, the RSS leader talks about cultural influence in SE Asia. This has been twisted to mean military conquest.
    Finally, for heavens' sake, please pronounce native names correctly. amRta-ghaTeswara -- not amRta-ghaaTeswara. Thiruvavaduthurai -- not Thiruvaduthurai. For that matter, please pronounce English words like 'sceptre' correctly.

  • @nswamyprakash2535
    @nswamyprakash2535 Рік тому +3

    Despite your claim that the Sengol is irrelevant and politicised, and you obviously seek to paint its revival as a purely Hindu extremist ploy, you cannot however ignore the fact that this Sengol was specifically commissioned as an instrument of transfer of power from Colonial to Indian hands. Leave aside its resemblance in pertinence to earlier Indian empires, which by your own claims are irrelevant to this particular modern instrument of transfer of power that you so disparagingly call an "artefact". Was not this "artefact" specifically intended, commissioned, constructed and presented as the physical symbol of the nation gaining its freedom? Why then was it kept as an irrelevant museum collection piece with the specific derogatory mention that it was a "walking stick" when every character of it cried out that this was an object to be venerated? In reality, the real politicization of this particular "artefact" started in 1947 when in order to downplay and downgrade the primarily Hindu character of the Indian nation the then powers-in-place decided to sever any and every link, no matter how remote, to Hinduism and relegate it to the oubliettes. That kind of politicized appeasement is what is being unravelled and discarded today and Indians, in particular the Hindus, are being taught to raise their heads in pride and not be ashamed of themselves or of their past. Apologists for the self-deprecating, inferiority complex generating leadership of the past such as The Print, just cannot understand words like being proud of oneself and of one's past. Servile mentality does not encourage self-pride.

  • @rds6277
    @rds6277 Рік тому +2

    Why every attempt by this guy to explain Indian history to us comes coupled with massive attempt to belittle it ? He spent a lot of time explaining that Chola administration was not particularly great against the touchstone of modern practices!!! Really ?

  • @AjaySingh-tn6se
    @AjaySingh-tn6se Рік тому +2

    We have already gone beyond Senegol, You guys also pls move over it 😂

  • @yogitashivhare2672
    @yogitashivhare2672 Рік тому +1

    I don't understand why we should not discuss Chola...we have been discussing only about akbar ashoka or gandhi ji in books...it is high time we discuss ahom south kingdom and maratha

  • @Speed99999
    @Speed99999 Рік тому +2

    06:38 isn't it the truth ? The first education minister Maulana Kalam Azad completely downplayed Marathas , cholas etc but for his brotherhood the Mughals he dedicated entire syllabus !

  • @shastryfamily
    @shastryfamily Рік тому +9

    Another BIASED 1 SIDEDED HISTORIAN

    • @robinsonrex1280
      @robinsonrex1280 Рік тому

      This guy is an idiot. For him, probably nobody exists in the past.

    • @hawkingdawking4572
      @hawkingdawking4572 Рік тому

      Is it true that the Sanathana Dharma is of 19th century ?

  • @dsrisub7736
    @dsrisub7736 Рік тому +8

    You should look at Malaysia for cholas where Chulan is a coveted family name with lineage to Raja Chulan who is Rajendra Cholan and most are muslims today
    Sri Lumay is a half chola half Malay who ruled Cebu now in Phillipines

    • @raghuls1515
      @raghuls1515 Рік тому +3

      Yes the impact of chola was so deep

  • @rajendranpandian109
    @rajendranpandian109 Рік тому +3

    We are having literature evidence in tamil more than 2000 years ago about sengol in thirkural and silapathikaram. I think you have aversion on tamils

  • @any7334
    @any7334 Рік тому +1

    My dear printed shirt ..why the hype and eagerness to play down the historical fact of sengol and nehru?

  • @kaamdev8451
    @kaamdev8451 Рік тому +1

    List page numbers with your sources

  • @whaddoiknow6519
    @whaddoiknow6519 Рік тому +1

    History made stupid, science made stupid, economics made stupid. Anything that confirms preexisting biases and feels good is pressed into service. All hail the pursuit of a little knowledge!

  • @devotion240
    @devotion240 Рік тому +2

    Why should an unqualified Serfoji II Bhonsle use the title of Cholas?
    The Chola Dynasty was defeated by the neighboring Pandya Dynasty and the rule of the Cholas ended in 1279. Following this victory, Thanjavur, which was under the control of the Pandyas, came under the control of the Sultan of Delhi after a civil war, and subsequently under the control of the Vijayanagara emperors after defeating Ala-ud-Din Sikandar Shah and conquering Madurai and the Nayaks who followed them. In 1675 CE, Vyankoji Bhosale the younger brother of Shivaji under the command of sultan of bijapur Sikandar Adil Shah defeated Alagiri(hindu telugu nayak ruler), and captured Thanjavur. He did not, however, place his protege on the throne as instructed by the bijapur sultan, but in 1676 Vyankoji seized the kingdom and crowned himself king of Thanjavur. A descendant of this Vyankoji Bhosale was Serfoji II Bhonsle who ruled Thanjavur from 1798 until his death in 1832.

  • @gauravmohanty22
    @gauravmohanty22 Рік тому +1

    Current India has a foundational problem, there is a vast difference between the India that Congress represents of an India whose history began with the arrival of the British in India , whereas the Bharat that BJP and RSS represents is many millenniums old. What BJP/RSS represents is a nation that goes back to Indus Valley civilisation and is older than the arrival of first conquerors/invaders. Bharat is synonymous with this great landmass that was born on the banks of the Indus river, so should we say even the name of the Indus river is wrong.Hind/Hindustan,Bharat is many 1000 years old. When the congress was formed it was basically formed as a Indian lobby, was a great thing to do, representing the concerns of Indians, but was formed of the elite of India, the kings, rulers, Zamindars, and they preferred to negotiate, talk over dinner with the British, but the concerns of the individual communities were not addressed, hence why All India Muslim League was formed in 1905, but this created another problem, Congress was talking about India, and AIML was talking about Muslims, but what was missing here? No one was talking about the largest section of the population, Hindus were scattered all over, from NWFP in Pakistan to Kanyakumari, but there was nobody to represent the largest section of the population, and they waited for 20 years till 1925 when Savarkar thought of this great nation that was 1000s years old and the original inhabitants of this nation hence why RSS was formed, Hindutva is about feeling Bharatiya and not just about feeling Indian. The installation of Singol, represents the original Bharat, not just India, my father is a retired Naval officer and brother is a serving Naval officer, they have served or currently serving on Ships and establishments that derive their names from the original Bharat, they served in INSs not Hindu Naval Ships, there is nothing Hindu about these ships/establishments everyone serves in them Hindus, Muslims, CHristians, Sikhs, Parsis, Jews, there is no room for distinction or discrimination in the Armed Forces. Even saying Jai Hind, is that a Hindu thing, no it is about us all being Bharatiya, not just Indians

  • @yogitashivhare2672
    @yogitashivhare2672 Рік тому +1

    Please don't discuss chola ..only discuss Moghal...otherwise Moghal wont be happy...

  • @manikandan1111
    @manikandan1111 Рік тому +1

    trying to look like an intellectual with the books beside , are we?

  • @atrirules
    @atrirules Рік тому +5

    To whom does the sengol trace back to, as a sculture holding a similar sceptre was spotted in 7th century temple at Pattadakal, karnataka?

    • @mohitanand1844
      @mohitanand1844 Рік тому

      No one. As a nation we should look towards Mauryan and Gupta empires

    • @raghuls1515
      @raghuls1515 Рік тому +4

      ​@@mohitanand1844no towards long lived chera chola & pandya

    • @kumarswamymc433
      @kumarswamymc433 Рік тому

      Yes it is there in Pattdakallu's Sri Veerupakaha temple on the Nataraja statue.740 AD

    • @mohitanand1844
      @mohitanand1844 Рік тому

      @@raghuls1515 😂😂😂😂

    • @raghuls1515
      @raghuls1515 Рік тому +2

      @@mohitanand1844 🙃

  • @mohitanand1844
    @mohitanand1844 Рік тому +5

    Anybody who has actually read about that dynasty and what they were upto wouldn't want to appropriate any of it

    • @ritikshaw5868
      @ritikshaw5868 Рік тому

      So did Alexander.. So did Caesar.... And they have been appropriated since their very deaths. The German Kaiser and Russian Tsar both titles trace its origin to Caesar.. And I don't have to speak about Alexander.. Yet we know what they did.

    • @mohitanand1844
      @mohitanand1844 Рік тому

      @@ritikshaw5868Alexander and Caesar weren't portrayed like saints .the thing is everybody is saying cholas were most righteous virtuous while the history is showing different things

  • @tomjacob4223
    @tomjacob4223 Рік тому +1

    Actually it makes a lot of sense, rather than popular narrative to find alternatives to deleted history

  • @notrat5678
    @notrat5678 Рік тому +1

    I suggest we remove sengol and install tippu sword to make the congress goons happy.

  • @vijayasudhindar7922
    @vijayasudhindar7922 25 днів тому

    Sir u mean to say that chola dynasty never existed or they were not great administrators as it is made out... I didn't understand

  • @historylessons893
    @historylessons893 Рік тому +1

    This guy is very biased as he is a Kannada guy who does not like the fact that his favourite Kannada Chalukya Dynasty is not discussed like the great Chola Empire. There was no empire in South Asian history which successfully invaded large parts of Southeast Asia like the Chola Empire and which controlled the region for almost 100 years from the reign of Rajendra Chola to the reign of Kulothunga Chola

  • @ubermensch1979
    @ubermensch1979 Рік тому +5

    I’m at a loss as to why some speakers on this channel have adopted this whispering & asthmatic affectation! I’ve never met an Indian who speaks like this. Perhaps it’s an attempt to appear more academic, unprejudiced & refined… but the monotonous drone makes the speech incomprehensible. Also reminds me of Stevie from ‘Malcolm in the Middle’ vibes.

  • @hsmahbiv7474
    @hsmahbiv7474 Рік тому +1

    Your desperation is more evident, since 28 may your writeup and videos shows on how the castle of lies is breaking. Why are u so deperate to not let other side of medieval history should come to centre stage, a non mughal history should be part of medieval times? Your book lords of deccan has many false narratives before people sell that book as scrap go and edit it.

  • @sairajanvekar6925
    @sairajanvekar6925 Рік тому

    What has lead to various similarities between indian and greek mythology??

  • @vikramganasen
    @vikramganasen Рік тому +1

    Bro its easy, if Modi governments wants to govern Tamizh Nadu, forgo Hindi imposition and strengthen Tamizh in TN itself. He simply needs to win the mind and hearts which is the language.

    • @lantherpagdi
      @lantherpagdi Рік тому

      Tamil and dravidian languages are more culturally rooted to hinduism than Hindi

  • @narasimhasrinivas2599
    @narasimhasrinivas2599 Рік тому +2

    If we are to glorify Cholas as embodiment of good governance, we seem to forget that they were quite blood thirsty marauders who prided in public exhibition of what they plundered after destruction and plundering of Chalukya and Rashtrakoota centres, not to mention the various settlements on the East coast over 300 years of their reign. We must give them credit for being master builders of the beautiful edifices in Tanjavur, Gangaikonda Cholapuram, Darasuram, albeit financed from the many 'conquests' and plundered resources. Yes, if the present dispensation wishes to emulate their skills at twisted narratives to glorify themselves as well as their extraordinary passion to be divisive, they are welcome to use them as their role model!

  • @surajs5913
    @surajs5913 Рік тому +1

    Which one was the true history of Bharatanatiyam? I think all the events mentioned was the history of Bharatanatiyam - even the appropriation of the artform by a tamil middle class - that is evident if one has a reasonable mindset of history. No one is ignoring the evolution of the dance form by claiming that the modern version is a inheritor of a previous version of the same dance form. But someone like you suggesting tthat there is only one history attached to a socio cultural phenomenon of the artform while all othwrs are invalid appropriations of the danceform are the real deniers of the history of said danceform..

  • @sathiyamurthit748
    @sathiyamurthit748 Рік тому +1

    Come to the point on sengol
    Is it a false narrative or there is some truth
    Perhaps do PHD paper on the sengol to support your view.
    If not just is walking stick.

  • @knnpillai7438
    @knnpillai7438 Місяць тому

    Sengol has mothing to do with democracy. People with autocratic traits may perhaps admire it.

  • @keerthi321
    @keerthi321 Рік тому +1

    Ya we know. This guy hates BJP. That's all.

    • @anannyapearl9720
      @anannyapearl9720 7 місяців тому

      😂

    • @anannyapearl9720
      @anannyapearl9720 7 місяців тому

      He's getting paid for parading his pet hate... By " Print " as well as certain western sponsors ..

  • @krishnagurung2823
    @krishnagurung2823 Рік тому

    the answer is who cares? bharatnatyam is beautiful indian dance form.. i watch it because i love it not because so called socio-cultural history nonsense.

  • @RakeshVaidyanathan-dk1bb
    @RakeshVaidyanathan-dk1bb Рік тому

    The narrator is distorting history, Sengol is not a modern artifact, Thirukkural talks about Sengol and Thirukkural predates Pallavas. Bharat Natyam’s saiva connections have been recognized in the dancing siva Nataraja of old Saiva religion predating cholas. The presenter wants to make his false point that there is no Continuous Hindu history in India

  • @ddindianis
    @ddindianis 7 місяців тому

    Another Dhruv Rathee 🤦🏻

  • @subramaniamramasubramanian877

    Now that was a waste of time. I don't need a historian to come tell me history is being politicized. You have to live under a rock to not realize that yourself.
    I want a historian spending way more time going into the nitty gritty history of things! What WAS the chola period like? Was there any lasting impact it left in contemporary India? What is the archeological evidence like for the things that ARE substantial?
    I want to hear less of what there is little evidence for and more of what there is a LOT of evidence for.

  • @ggolu2
    @ggolu2 Рік тому +3

    I identify as a Wikipedia historian.

  • @PeacefulSecularGuy
    @PeacefulSecularGuy Рік тому +2

    Go check every developed nation have similar icons
    Who takes pride in their culture!!
    It’s not matter or religion it’s cultural of the land
    I know many who came from Arab on camel back and their supporters will not understand… don’t expect also
    Saw few comments sanatan dharma was not there during chola time
    Man totally mind washed
    No knowledge of history shame on such creatures !!

  • @SriM0
    @SriM0 Рік тому +2

    Con vert Kanisetti trying hard to wiggle out a desperate narrative to suit his agenda 🤣

  • @way_of_life77
    @way_of_life77 Рік тому

    I like print truly neutral news neither in favor of gov or opposition

  • @dronasystems
    @dronasystems Рік тому +1

    Nice to see print nurturing young talents. Mark my words, in 20 years time many from print team will start their own reporting instruments of that time.

  • @jammubansal1
    @jammubansal1 Рік тому

    Your/English educated historian ‘s interpretation is absurd, does not go with the national resurgence!

    • @lantherpagdi
      @lantherpagdi Рік тому

      who cares about his 2 cent knowledge on history?

  • @Ladisingh9
    @Ladisingh9 Рік тому

    Bcz Indian ppl trying to throw colonial era. They also throwing Mugal era bcz they believed they were oppressed by them and this is truth or we can’t ignored. Distortion of history back fired

  • @haridasshenoy8334
    @haridasshenoy8334 Рік тому

    Better late than never

  • @leogayathri
    @leogayathri Рік тому

    Wow

  • @mna5484
    @mna5484 Рік тому

    Blah Blah Blah….he is playing to the Sickular gallery.

  • @Zambia974
    @Zambia974 Рік тому

    mmh

  • @kukkurukkuguitarboy
    @kukkurukkuguitarboy Рік тому

    This was a completely pointless video

  • @earthlng
    @earthlng Рік тому +2

    Anirudh, your analysis is awesome. Also, in my opinion, when we consider history, there are mainly two factors, perceptions and time. There can be hundreds of perceptions in that era, and these got changed with time and will continue.

  • @eltiger-thetiger6915
    @eltiger-thetiger6915 Рік тому +1

    Fact is Hinduism didn't exist during chola Era.. still according to RSS chola kings were hindu kings.. 😆🤣😂

    • @PeacefulSecularGuy
      @PeacefulSecularGuy Рік тому +2

      What??? Chola made hundreds of temples including angkor wat
      Now don’t tell Angkor wat is Buddhist temple!!
      I really feel pity on your knowledge of history
      Peaceful community??

    • @hindurashtra63
      @hindurashtra63 Рік тому

      Very True. Cholas worshipped and built Temples for Gods like - Ganesha, Vishmu, Shiva, Parvati, Laxmi, Nava Graha (9 Planet Deities). These are not Hindu Gods.

    • @lantherpagdi
      @lantherpagdi Рік тому

      bro that's some interesting stuff you smoke there.. you are completely disconnected to reality my man😆🤣😂

  • @AshutoshSingh-wq8cm
    @AshutoshSingh-wq8cm Рік тому +1

    Thanks Anirudh for this unique perspective of history , based on facts rather than just notions.

  • @thephysicscatalyst6048
    @thephysicscatalyst6048 Рік тому +2

    Shukra hai ki Bihar me susasan Babu aur lalu yadav ki 1850 crores ki bridge construction karne se pehle dhadaaam ho gya, 100 saal purane morbi bridge pe rajniti karne wale neta aur BJP k khilaaf zahar ugalne wali media ek saath black hole me lapata ho chuki hai, ek baar ja k inspection hi kar aate teju bhaiya apne chacha aur bhaiya k saath lekin iftar party me murga khichne Wale baba bageswar ko rokne me Lage huye hai

  • @TheJediPrince
    @TheJediPrince Рік тому

    Keep Crying 🤣 What a Waste

  • @prabhakarkrishnaswami4148
    @prabhakarkrishnaswami4148 Рік тому

    Well said and presented. We love to revise history to suit our tastes. In my books, idolizing the past and feeling nostalgic about it doesn't do any good to the present.

    • @MRWM-mo6zs
      @MRWM-mo6zs Рік тому

      You are parroting a narrative... Cholas, mauryas , Marathas are our identity which has been systematically erased and it needs to come at the forefront so new generation dosent become brown coolies

  • @india........
    @india........ Рік тому

    a sane noble historian, speaking facts in an insane indian society!

  • @magma9000
    @magma9000 Рік тому

    Modi Hindu nationalist india

  • @venkatabhiram1688
    @venkatabhiram1688 Рік тому

    Waste of time

  • @madikiestherkhiangte9884
    @madikiestherkhiangte9884 Рік тому

    Modi vote bank propoganda😂

    • @lantherpagdi
      @lantherpagdi Рік тому

      others are no different.. if modi is bachelor degree then congress did masters and communists did PhD in propaganda..
      p.s: your british masters wrote the curriculum

  • @kalyannnBH
    @kalyannnBH Рік тому +1

    All Raja Danda ( stick ) points to use of Absolute power and is a sign of oppression of the weak or weakened. We are bringing that and doing Puja to it.
    Haven't we seen British, and Aristocrats use a stick? Sengol was a ancestor of that stick

    • @bethechange1945
      @bethechange1945 Рік тому +4

      You don't understand the difference between the septor used by european and the Dharm Dand

    • @dhanabalathunampillai2280
      @dhanabalathunampillai2280 Рік тому

      Sengol is different from Raj Dandh in that it also incorporates "equality, justice for all, etc,".

    • @kalyannnBH
      @kalyannnBH Рік тому +1

      @@dhanabalathunampillai2280 may be. But Sengol is definitely not Democratic no ?.. any Raja is not elected 'equally' or through any process, nor accountable. Raja and his good times are celebrated. The ordinary person s story is never discussed or celebrated. All Mahabharata speaks is success or failure of Raja, but never about any ordinary person. The Sengol and Mahabharat or any such don't represent true modern values.

    • @lantherpagdi
      @lantherpagdi Рік тому +1

      @@kalyannnBH is the ashoka chakra, 4 lions democratic then? You ppl seem to have no problem when a dynasty ruled India defacto for almost 60 years post independence in your so called democracy. None of you batted an eye. It's okay not to like a particular party in a democracy but to create a lie that everything evil under the sun is happening under Modi and completely living in that lie is hypocritical to the core.

    • @kalyannnBH
      @kalyannnBH Рік тому +1

      @@lantherpagdi who is talking about Rahul Gandhi? I can understand how you think. Good luck

  • @rp8028
    @rp8028 Рік тому +1

    Once a religious symbol is allowed to enter in to a secular or a secularized institution, there is no turning back. Just a couple of years ago we had Sikhs who felt entitled to fly the sikh khalsa flag over the red fort. Now the Hindus have their Sengol in the indian parliament. What next ? Maybe the Christian cross over the former Victoria station at Mumbai or the Islamic crescent over the Charminar in Hyderabad?

    • @arungupta3509
      @arungupta3509 Рік тому +3

      What about the state emblem of India? It is Buddhist, with a motto taken from the Upanishads. Any objections?

    • @rp8028
      @rp8028 Рік тому

      @@arungupta3509 Why object? I would say go the whole hog. Why just stop with symbols of Buddhist or Hindu religion ? Bring in more symbolism from all religions of India and make it part of the national heritage and institutions.

    • @PeacefulSecularGuy
      @PeacefulSecularGuy Рік тому +1

      Go check every developed nation had similar
      It’s not matter or religion it’s cultural of the land
      I know many who came from Arab on camel back will not understand

    • @rp8028
      @rp8028 Рік тому +1

      @@PeacefulSecularGuy The persians/arabs may have come on thoroughbred arabian horses while the locals were busy sacrificing their horses away in aswamedha yagnas. Go check that out. There are lessons to be learnt there perhaps.

    • @arungupta3509
      @arungupta3509 Рік тому

      @@rp8028 Certainly! Of course, if we use the crescent moon some will see an Islamic symbol and others will see Shiva's adornment.

  • @TedoR2011
    @TedoR2011 Рік тому

    Modi is the New dynast 😅

  • @angmungkonyak3096
    @angmungkonyak3096 Рік тому +1

    Why invite only the Hindu Priest?? Is there any regard to other minority religious groups?? Has the idea of Secularism, "Equal respect" been written off by the BJP??

    • @arungupta3509
      @arungupta3509 Рік тому

      They were all there: ua-cam.com/video/TxVVMQXdiwY/v-deo.html

    • @thethreespikes9737
      @thethreespikes9737 Рік тому

      Thats what heppen when you watch left media. In case you dont know go watch the full video. There was a Muslim Maulvi, Christian priest, Jain priest, Budhist monk, Jew Rabbi so on and on from different faith all praying. Yet they only show you Hindu Priests. 😂😂😂😂 Pathetic left media.