Most Oswals, surname today is Shah. They're from Osian and most left to several parts of Gujarat. From there to Kenya, London, and North America. We are Rajputs, but have changed our work to Bussines men. But the ambiguity lies in the fact that many forgot our past, but we truly still have a obligation to fight if the need persists.
Why did you leave out Patel families. They all seem like hardworking honest people. And all the Patels I've met claim to be from Gujarat and speak Gujarati. Nothing but respect for this proud family.
As per Bangladesh, the defacto- Bangla champion, Bengal history starts by overthrowing corrupt polytheistic rulers and establishing the fair rule if Islam. Anything prior Islamic rule is savage, barbaric and low in merit. I wonder why we are fed the 'tell me entire lineage of mughal rulers' to pass a polygraphic indian liberal test.
@@agonnoga6100 I did not say Tamils buddy but it was partly Indian and Vietnamese and that Indian part were either telugu or Marathi given Pallavas were not Tamils. We know this because Nandivarman 2 of the pallava dynasty in Tamil nadu was actually from Champa given he was related to the Pallava dynasty and hence succeeded his uncle Paramesvaran 2 who died without a heir.
I am really confused about the RAJPUT identity. We all know that RAJPUTS claim to be kshatriyas but I think that was more metaphorical than real. I have read historical books, where the origins of Rajputs were not known before the 10th Century and historians have THREE different theories about their origin, none of the theories state that they were Kshatriya clans and in fact, one of the theories state that they are actually White Huns settled in Northwest India when they were defeated repeatedly during the Gupta period and gradually gained prominence over the next few centuries. In addition, some historians pointed out the Rajputs have certain traditions which are incongruent with Hindu Kshatriya traditions, especially the suicide last stand charge combined with the Johar.
rajput ethnogenesis happened with the already existing Kshatriyas of North and some little assimilation with Huns, Scythians... The assimilation was little coz it left no trace in genetic ancestry of modern Rajputs. Most rajput hv Brahmin type ancestry, which means they r from Brahmin type Upper caste, which is Kshatriya. This is all about Genetics but we even have historical evidences of continuity of Kshatriyas, the ancient and medieval era Kshtriyas didnt go extinct but assimilated into a larger group. Second misconception of rajputs is that they r from Rajasthan only, which is wrong Rajput clans r present in every states above Narmada and some even till Orissa. And they r native clans of states just like we hv different Brahmins of diverse ethnicity
@@kgzb123 Do you understand genetics? Because I have studied the recent genetic studies in anthropology and I am a physician and they are only limited to racial categorisation and have not gone as far as tracing the origin of castes. Secondly, outside of genetics, if your evidence is puranas, then if you actually read ALL of them, the contradictions are so many that your claim doesn't hold and is weak. Third, as far as I have come across the academic historians & anthropologists point of view, the most common agreed upon theory is that they were actually Shudra farmers which organised themselves into warrior clans to defend their lands after the fall of the Gupta empire and the incessant warfare following it. The other theory contesting THIS first theory is that they are HUNS settled locally after they were defeated by Guptas, especially when Mihirakula of Huns extended till UP and then his successors lost it. The 2nd theory is based on some unique cultural aspects of the Rajputs which are not found in mainstream Hinduism, thus negating the claims to Brahmin or Kshatriya descent. To me, these two theories are more plausible but YOU are claiming genetic studies which I have NOT come across till now. Most likely what you heard is just heresy or propaganda. That is why, I was asking this question to Jay Vardhan Singh because he is obviously not swayed by propaganda and is quite neutral in his presentation.
Agrasen Maharaj was in the Lineage of Raja ram chandra and is considered as the founder of baniya society and tradition like not eating non veg , madhu jibha etc.
Yes many Agarwals, Jaiswals, Oswald, Pudwals etc migrated to Gujarat from north. Reason sited are famines, Islamic conquest, political instability! There are very few original business communities which are indigenous to Gujarat! They might have moved to other parts of India! In Gujarat almost all Varnas engaged in business! Patel are late comers, originally land holders!
I think it does, the problem is they often mix them with Rajasthani folks. Like how, Every South Indian, whether kannada, telgue, Tulu, Tamil are often called madrasi.
Lol Hyderabad was created by Nizam and here we are discussing thousands of years old history. They originated from Gujarat and Southwest Rajasthan and migrated in different parts of India
@@DannycageGhostrider Fact Hyderabad was founded by Muhammad Quli Qutub Shah of the Qutub Shahi Dynasty in 1591. The Asaf Jahi dynasty of which the Nizam is titular ruler came to power in 1724. Hyderabad became their capital in 1763 under the Asaf Jah II
Social mobility isn't unheard of.. We've had brahmin Kings and generals.. And kshatriya ascetics. So some trading families went somewhere and picked up arms there or some warrior communities came from somewhere and settled as merchants isn't something that otherworldly.
Anpad insaan, go and read about Maharaja Agrasen , sole ancestor of trading/Baniya community. Hum itihaas churatey nahi kyonki kshatriya itihas hi Hamara itihaas hai.
There was no Gujarat, Punjab, Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Bengal in medieval times. There was also no India as a nation state prior to arrival of East India Company. The merchants of today's Gujarat in medieval times had little to no connect with today's Tamil Nadu or Bengal. Today's Gujarat only came into existence in 1950s with merger of few parts of Bombay presidency with several independent kingdoms whose subjects always considered themselves as a separate nation distinct from other people of the subcontinent.
What rubbish. Trade was extensive between various Indian kingdoms and Rome, Egypt, China, etc. FYI Gujaratis had settled in Oman and Zanzibar atleast 400 years back
Who brought Parsis to India? Who brought Vasco da Gama to India? Gujarati have 2000 years old meritime history, have you listen name khambat, Ghogha, jaukho old port cities
Millennia before Columbus sailed the Atlantic and Magellan crossed the Pacific, the Indian Ocean had become a thoroughfare of commercial and cultural traffic between the west coast of India and Babylon, as well as the East” -KM Panikkar in ‘India and the Indian Ocean’ Kutch, Kathiawad and Peninsular Gujarat boast of a resplendent maritime heritage of over five millenia vintage. It was the location of the Harappan - Saraswati civilisation and had maritime contacts with the Sumerians and Mesopotamia. It also developed, arguably, the world’s first dock at Lothal. After a decline of this ancient civilisation maritime trade revived centuries later with Sumer, Phoenicia, Egypt, Rome and Greece, through Egypt, East Africa and Sri Lanka. Traders from the region emigrated in large numbers to areas in Southwest Asia and East Africa, establishing trading colonies. Historical information about the ports of Gujarat is found in the Mahabharata, the Harivansh Purana, and the Matsya Purana. It is mentioned in the Harivansh Purana that the prosperity of the Yadavas was due to sea-trade. Kautilya has mentioned in his Arthashastra that the main occupation of people living along the coastline was navigation. The discovery of port ruins at Dholavira, Surkotda, Kuntasi, and Lothal belonging to different phases of the Indus Valley Period is a striking piece of evidence of maritime linkages of this area. The ancient Greek and Roman classics refers to the names of many ports of Gujarat, like Barygaza (modern day Bharuch), which was renowed for its trade during that period. Maritime trade also flourished during the rule of Kshatrapa and Gupta Kings. This area was the ‘Gateway of maritime commerce’ leading to the North Indian Plains and Central India as far as Pataliputra (modern Patna). An early mention of the country of Jurz (Gujarat) was made by Suleiman, a merchant of Barsa in 851 AD. Other Arab travelers like AI Ishtakhri, Ibn Majid, AI Beruni, Ibn Haukal, Ibn Batuta and AI Idrisi have all made laudatory references to the sea trade of Gujarat. Post 9th century, with Islam spreading all over the western parts of North India and ruling dynasties becoming Islamic, the Haj pilgrimage assumed significance, demanding sea travel from one or the other port of Gujarat in view of its proximity to North India. The colonial period saw the Dutch, the French, the Portuguese and the British pursuing their trade interests vigorously. During this period Surat, Diu and Daman rose to prominence. Surat had a glorious time till the British shifted their maritime headquarters to Bombay. Daman and Diu continued to be important Portuguese ports of Gujarat.
Please google .it says oswals r punjabis like founder of oswal group mr S P Oswal born in punjab. Some surnames like soni mehta etc rcommon to both punjabis n gujaratis. East n west punjab was always there.after partition. West punjab went to pak.n so many sikhs n hindu punjabis moved this side. Settled mostly in delhi.
Gujarat used to exist from thousands of years. Read about Gujjar Desh, ancient Gujaratra, Gujjar pratihar Empire, even Gujjar saltnat and mugal Gujarat subah. You are saying Gujarat was created in 1950 what Rabindranath Tagore mention Gujarat in India's national anthem at 1911😂 and only junagarh and Bhavnagar city was princely state.
Just because you were not smart, and couldn't flourish, doesn't mean they are rotten. Perhaps you use all the products and services availed by these baniyas! Keep shuddering ;)
@@vanderboii2202Send them to the border. How many lives have our people given to the nation, you have no idea. You can sell anything ! Make a Gujarati regiment if you have the guts!
@@vanderboii2202 Dung eater spotted. Serve it to your family you lout my illegitimate son. Send me your mothers number so that i can teach you and her some manners!
Most Oswals, surname today is Shah. They're from Osian and most left to several parts of Gujarat. From there to Kenya, London, and North America. We are Rajputs, but have changed our work to Bussines men. But the ambiguity lies in the fact that many forgot our past, but we truly still have a obligation to fight if the need persists.
Read history by Dr Makarand Mehta about Rajput antecedents of many Ahmedabad textile families!
Okay.
Great work, but the narration is a little too fast paced. A visual depiction of the time periods/timelines may also help us grasp better.
Looking suave Anirudh Kanisetti!!! The shorter hair and burgundy suits you!
Love the series
Gujarat ki hava me vyapar hai ..😍😍😍
Awesome Research, thanks for sharing it.
good can you make a similar videos for shettys,chettiars,komatis and all similar communities accross india like the seths,sethis,sahus,banik....
Why did you leave out Patel families. They all seem like hardworking honest people. And all the Patels I've met claim to be from Gujarat and speak Gujarati. Nothing but respect for this proud family.
He is a very good story teller.
Very nice and detailed video🔥🔥
॥જય સ્વામિનારાયણ॥
India and Indians are always interested in caste rather than slowly diluting it.
We need a video on the Origin of Bengal Communists 😂😂😂
So chad saar
Guilt of rich Bengali elites just like the guilt of rich European elites. Communism begins when rich people start feeling guilty of being rich.
😂😂😂😂😂😂 And what after that? Anyway, next video on Anoop Mandal
could you please make some episodes on the history of Bengal (empires, religion, castes and trade) please?
As per Bangladesh, the defacto- Bangla champion, Bengal history starts by overthrowing corrupt polytheistic rulers and establishing the fair rule if Islam. Anything prior Islamic rule is savage, barbaric and low in merit. I wonder why we are fed the 'tell me entire lineage of mughal rulers' to pass a polygraphic indian liberal test.
@@sreyanshuchaterjee3962 Ok Dhokla lover.
@@sauron2000000 no I don't like dhokla, but I don't want mullahs to call bengal cuisine as theirs. Let them eat camel meat and survive on dates.
What is your name ?? U have ur history channel on yt??
Jaiswals are originated from Rajasthan & Bihar/UP.
Bihar up? They originated from Gujarat and southwest Rajasthan(Marwar) and migrated in other parts of India
Fascinated! Keep it coming! ❤
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Thanks
Slow it down a little bit,
Too much information to consume with your speed of speech.
Can we get comprehensive history of dalits?
Request you to dedicate an episode to the great Marathas
Could you please shed a light on Pallavas and their relatives ruling Champa Kingdom. And also could you please tell us more about Kaundinya.
Champa was ruled by Cham people not Tamils.
Stop believing in such rubbish.
@@agonnoga6100 I did not say Tamils buddy but it was partly Indian and Vietnamese and that Indian part were either telugu or Marathi given Pallavas were not Tamils. We know this because Nandivarman 2 of the pallava dynasty in Tamil nadu was actually from Champa given he was related to the Pallava dynasty and hence succeeded his uncle Paramesvaran 2 who died without a heir.
@@karthikbalakrishna20pallavas were origin is naga clan of srilanka ..pallavas of kanchi came from chola & Cambodian ancestry...
My ancestors name was shaw but now a days it is Soni Saraf and johri
Good ☺
I am really confused about the RAJPUT identity. We all know that RAJPUTS claim to be kshatriyas but I think that was more metaphorical than real. I have read historical books, where the origins of Rajputs were not known before the 10th Century and historians have THREE different theories about their origin, none of the theories state that they were Kshatriya clans and in fact, one of the theories state that they are actually White Huns settled in Northwest India when they were defeated repeatedly during the Gupta period and gradually gained prominence over the next few centuries. In addition, some historians pointed out the Rajputs have certain traditions which are incongruent with Hindu Kshatriya traditions, especially the suicide last stand charge combined with the Johar.
rajput ethnogenesis happened with the already existing Kshatriyas of North and some little assimilation with Huns, Scythians...
The assimilation was little coz it left no trace in genetic ancestry of modern Rajputs.
Most rajput hv Brahmin type ancestry, which means they r from Brahmin type Upper caste, which is Kshatriya.
This is all about Genetics but we even have historical evidences of continuity of Kshatriyas, the ancient and medieval era Kshtriyas didnt go extinct but assimilated into a larger group.
Second misconception of rajputs is that they r from Rajasthan only, which is wrong Rajput clans r present in every states above Narmada and some even till Orissa.
And they r native clans of states just like we hv different Brahmins of diverse ethnicity
@@kgzb123 Do you understand genetics? Because I have studied the recent genetic studies in anthropology and I am a physician and they are only limited to racial categorisation and have not gone as far as tracing the origin of castes.
Secondly, outside of genetics, if your evidence is puranas, then if you actually read ALL of them, the contradictions are so many that your claim doesn't hold and is weak.
Third, as far as I have come across the academic historians & anthropologists point of view, the most common agreed upon theory is that they were actually Shudra farmers which organised themselves into warrior clans to defend their lands after the fall of the Gupta empire and the incessant warfare following it. The other theory contesting THIS first theory is that they are HUNS settled locally after they were defeated by Guptas, especially when Mihirakula of Huns extended till UP and then his successors lost it.
The 2nd theory is based on some unique cultural aspects of the Rajputs which are not found in mainstream Hinduism, thus negating the claims to Brahmin or Kshatriya descent.
To me, these two theories are more plausible but YOU are claiming genetic studies which I have NOT come across till now. Most likely what you heard is just heresy or propaganda.
That is why, I was asking this question to Jay Vardhan Singh because he is obviously not swayed by propaganda and is quite neutral in his presentation.
I wonder if the Scandinavians/Vikings traded with them.
They did and were forced to eat veggies.
Many Jaiswals trace their origin to UP not Rajasthan! Many are or were liquor vendors!
We "wals" are forerunners of agrasen Maharaj we together with rauniyar , agrahari form the vaishya caste strata
Agrasen Maharaj was in the Lineage of Raja ram chandra and is considered as the founder of baniya society and tradition like not eating non veg , madhu jibha etc.
Agarwals and oswals R not gujarat community they R rajasthani or punjabi trading family and they R also good and smart in buisness
Oswals are Shah and the agarwals also originated from Gujarat and southwest Rajasthan and migrated in other parts of India
Yes many Agarwals, Jaiswals, Oswald, Pudwals etc migrated to Gujarat from north. Reason sited are famines, Islamic conquest, political instability! There are very few original business communities which are indigenous to Gujarat! They might have moved to other parts of India! In Gujarat almost all Varnas engaged in business! Patel are late comers, originally land holders!
Already country is going mad because of caste system.castes Shud be left aside
Gujarat doesn't get the credit it deserves.
Most underrated comment ever ;-( Sarcasm
@@coolcatool just look at the diaspora 😀
I think it does, the problem is they often mix them with Rajasthani folks. Like how, Every South Indian, whether kannada, telgue, Tulu, Tamil are often called madrasi.
JaiswaL From Hyderabad
Lol Hyderabad was created by Nizam and here we are discussing thousands of years old history. They originated from Gujarat and Southwest Rajasthan and migrated in different parts of India
@@DannycageGhostrider Fact Hyderabad was founded by Muhammad Quli Qutub Shah of the Qutub Shahi Dynasty in 1591. The Asaf Jahi dynasty of which the Nizam is titular ruler came to power in 1724. Hyderabad became their capital in 1763 under the Asaf Jah II
Atleast this time Gujaratis won't be accused of "crony capitalism" Ambani Adani,blah blah blah
Oh shut up!
Problem with narration.
Ekdm bakwas
ROFL 🤣 banias with warrior heritage because you found a book where some one claimed his grandfather was one
Social mobility isn't unheard of.. We've had brahmin Kings and generals.. And kshatriya ascetics. So some trading families went somewhere and picked up arms there or some warrior communities came from somewhere and settled as merchants isn't something that otherworldly.
Anpad insaan, go and read about Maharaja Agrasen , sole ancestor of trading/Baniya community. Hum itihaas churatey nahi kyonki kshatriya itihas hi Hamara itihaas hai.
You are still a Chaudhary who would beg oBc!
Dimwit douchebag.
There was no Gujarat, Punjab, Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Bengal in medieval times.
There was also no India as a nation state prior to arrival of East India Company.
The merchants of today's Gujarat in medieval times had little to no connect with today's Tamil Nadu or Bengal.
Today's Gujarat only came into existence in 1950s with merger of few parts of Bombay presidency with several independent kingdoms whose subjects always considered themselves as a separate nation distinct from other people of the subcontinent.
What rubbish. Trade was extensive between various Indian kingdoms and Rome, Egypt, China, etc. FYI Gujaratis had settled in Oman and Zanzibar atleast 400 years back
Who brought Parsis to India? Who brought Vasco da Gama to India? Gujarati have 2000 years old meritime history, have you listen name khambat, Ghogha, jaukho old port cities
Millennia before Columbus sailed the Atlantic and Magellan crossed the Pacific, the Indian Ocean had become a thoroughfare of commercial and cultural traffic between the west coast of India and Babylon, as well as the East”
-KM Panikkar in ‘India and the Indian Ocean’
Kutch, Kathiawad and Peninsular Gujarat boast of a resplendent maritime heritage of over five millenia vintage. It was the location of the Harappan - Saraswati civilisation and had maritime contacts with the Sumerians and Mesopotamia. It also developed, arguably, the world’s first dock at Lothal. After a decline of this ancient civilisation maritime trade revived centuries later with Sumer, Phoenicia, Egypt, Rome and Greece, through Egypt, East Africa and Sri Lanka. Traders from the region emigrated in large numbers to areas in Southwest Asia and East Africa, establishing trading colonies.
Historical information about the ports of Gujarat is found in the Mahabharata, the Harivansh Purana, and the Matsya Purana. It is mentioned in the Harivansh Purana that the prosperity of the Yadavas was due to sea-trade. Kautilya has mentioned in his Arthashastra that the main occupation of people living along the coastline was navigation. The discovery of port ruins at Dholavira, Surkotda, Kuntasi, and Lothal belonging to different phases of the Indus Valley Period is a striking piece of evidence of maritime linkages of this area. The ancient Greek and Roman classics refers to the names of many ports of Gujarat, like Barygaza (modern day Bharuch), which was renowed for its trade during that period. Maritime trade also flourished during the rule of Kshatrapa and Gupta Kings. This area was the ‘Gateway of maritime commerce’ leading to the North Indian Plains and Central India as far as Pataliputra (modern Patna).
An early mention of the country of Jurz (Gujarat) was made by Suleiman, a merchant of Barsa in 851 AD. Other Arab travelers like AI Ishtakhri, Ibn Majid, AI Beruni, Ibn Haukal, Ibn Batuta and AI Idrisi have all made laudatory references to the sea trade of Gujarat. Post 9th century, with Islam spreading all over the western parts of North India and ruling dynasties becoming Islamic, the Haj pilgrimage assumed significance, demanding sea travel from one or the other port of Gujarat in view of its proximity to North India. The colonial period saw the Dutch, the French, the Portuguese and the British pursuing their trade interests vigorously. During this period Surat, Diu and Daman rose to prominence. Surat had a glorious time till the British shifted their maritime headquarters to Bombay. Daman and Diu continued to be important Portuguese ports of Gujarat.
Please google .it says oswals r punjabis like founder of oswal group mr S P Oswal born in punjab.
Some surnames like soni mehta etc rcommon to both punjabis n gujaratis.
East n west punjab was always there.after partition. West punjab went to pak.n so many sikhs n hindu punjabis moved this side. Settled mostly in delhi.
Gujarat used to exist from thousands of years. Read about Gujjar Desh, ancient Gujaratra, Gujjar pratihar Empire, even Gujjar saltnat and mugal Gujarat subah. You are saying Gujarat was created in 1950 what Rabindranath Tagore mention Gujarat in India's national anthem at 1911😂 and only junagarh and Bhavnagar city was princely state.
These Business communities are a sack of rotten potatoes today. Anyway good info.
Just because you were not smart, and couldn't flourish, doesn't mean they are rotten.
Perhaps you use all the products and services availed by these baniyas!
Keep shuddering ;)
@@vanderboii2202Send them to the border. How many lives have our people given to the nation, you have no idea. You can sell anything ! Make a Gujarati regiment if you have the guts!
@@vanderboii2202 cowards. RSS, Baniyas
@@hemikovsky it's ok, as long as u r neech.
@@vanderboii2202 Dung eater spotted. Serve it to your family you lout my illegitimate son. Send me your mothers number so that i can teach you and her some manners!