Enjoyed that Jamie, as Matt said i would have lost it 10 mins in and it would have been firewood. Now i can see how tou are so patient when teaching us!
@@markholdroyd3980 Thanks Mark. I think you guys are more patient these days. And I think this video shows it's about all the details as they come up. You have a choice to do it right at the time, or rush it. And we all know what happens when you rush something and don't put the effort into the details. Thank you for watching Mark 👍
I learnt my woodworking from Paul Sellers online masterclass money well spent although I’ve strayed from the hand tool only path of enlightenment. Very much enjoying following your videos it’s not easy finding the right style of woodworking but I’m happy here. Cheers.
Thanks Steve. Paul Sellers is very good at what he does. And if we look at the figures, there are more new people to channels every week, month, year. Subscriber numbers can be at 10k but views can be less than 500 and only 10% of those subscribed. So Paul is always talking to new people. I'm talking to whoever is listening 😂 But going through, whatever I'm doing. Good to have you here. Thank you Jamie
I’d love to show you the 4 external oak framed , ledged, braced and battened doors I’m making for my house. 50% of the oak recycled and 50% oak milled from local oak trees with our Alaskan mill.
Hi Jamie, thanks for answering my questions. That chair looked great. Just one thing that needs mentioning is if the clamp isn't put on square it can make the piece out of square. If that makes sense.
Looks like a church hall door. 9/ 10 of repair is cleaning and preparation. At 18 mins ish, the glue pot might have cooled off by the time he fitted the stile. Would steaming the wood been an option? I like videos like this. Well done jamie
Yes, that kind of door. (Read through other comment replies) I'd not thought of the glue pot cooling off 🤔 Good call. I have thought since that the pot might have run out or dry. The side came off while the customer was in the Workshop. It really didn't take much effort. I didn't remove every scrap of evidence of the Hide Glue. I left some parts on to ensure it all went back into the right place. The lack of glue was unreal.
I am wondering how many comments ask why didn’t you disassemble the door completely to get rid of the old glue and paint. No doubt they are probably trying to do you in. Good job, clear video
@PeanutsDadForever Good question. And this wasn't a glue fail, this was lack of glue. The other side was showing no sign of failure at all. So why strip it all into pieces? The Hinge Stile might have had the Lions share of the Hide Glue 🤔 and holding well. And during the video you could see that not much glue was used on the joints of the problem piece. I now think that maybe the glue pot (double boiler) might have run low, or run out on this second side. Could be..? What do you think?
If it ain’t broke, don’t mend it is my opinion. These jobs can grow legs if you’re not careful, then repair costs aren’t proportionate to the value of the piece. Unless the client says do a complete reconstruction. Just my thoughts, but it is subjective.
Great Video. Interesting you used Titebond glue here to replace the hide glue ("animal glue" ). Are there any circumstances that you would have used a like for like glue?
Thanks Keir. It was panic stations for a bit. But hey-how, I got it done properly. I trained to restore pieces. And yes you do use Like-for-like. In a structural piece like this door I used the titebond for its strength to hold that bowing. And these days with modern heating, some glues just aren't up to the job. So I do look at the surroundings, the customer, the budget etc to make the right call. Now if it was a Georgian door... A totally different story. And the budget would be a lot more.
Good spot, that I forgot to mention. And the width (diameter) of that dowel is great. Did you spot the glue groove in the dowels too? To allow air out when clamped up. Very cool door. Lots to learn from these older pieces.
At what point do you decide to fix stuff or just leave it? You new the door was warped and you had the piece off. How do you decide weather or not to straighten out the individual piece (obviously you did not need to totally break the whole door down) but maybe a bit of steam to get it straight before reassembling it ..... obviously you could do it, but when do you decide to do or not do it? Is it usually a price thing? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you should do it but I am interested in the decision making process. I too noticed the dowel half hole on the bottom ;o) Have you heard about the American idea of "Densifying" wood? You know it will come over here eventually ;o)
This door was reasonably easy and quick to repair. And it matches all the other doors in the customers home. So it was worth fixing. Some things are harder to repair, so I have to ask the questions.. Like - How attached are you? -What would you be prepared to spend on fixing it?
@@twcmaker Sorry Jamie, you misunderstand me. Obviously it was worth fixing, but there is a world of difference between different levels of fixing it. I was interested in how You decide the best level.
Right.. I ask questions. Clare said she had sanded it. So I knew I didn't have to spend ages sanding. She loved the door and the bowing "is part of its character" so I'm building up a picture of what is acceptable to her. I wanted to try to get some bowing out. But it wasn't critical. I've got used to getting to know what the client would be happy with. And I wanted a quick turn around as it was going to take up bench space. Getting to understand the client and the job in hand. Listening and also what the piece tells me too. Is that what you meant Jamie
Enjoyed that Jamie, as Matt said i would have lost it 10 mins in and it would have been firewood. Now i can see how tou are so patient when teaching us!
@@markholdroyd3980 Thanks Mark. I think you guys are more patient these days.
And I think this video shows it's about all the details as they come up. You have a choice to do it right at the time, or rush it. And we all know what happens when you rush something and don't put the effort into the details.
Thank you for watching Mark 👍
Craig I'm a retired bench joiner love your content
Who's Craig?
I learnt my woodworking from Paul Sellers online masterclass money well spent although I’ve strayed from the hand tool only path of enlightenment. Very much enjoying following your videos it’s not easy finding the right style of woodworking but I’m happy here. Cheers.
Thanks Steve. Paul Sellers is very good at what he does. And if we look at the figures, there are more new people to channels every week, month, year. Subscriber numbers can be at 10k but views can be less than 500 and only 10% of those subscribed. So Paul is always talking to new people. I'm talking to whoever is listening 😂 But going through, whatever I'm doing. Good to have you here.
Thank you
Jamie
I’d love to show you the 4 external oak framed , ledged, braced and battened doors I’m making for my house. 50% of the oak recycled and 50% oak milled from local oak trees with our Alaskan mill.
That sounds brilliant.
Hi Jamie, thanks for answering my questions. That chair looked great. Just one thing that needs mentioning is if the clamp isn't put on square it can make the piece out of square. If that makes sense.
That's very true.
Keep the clamps parallel to the rails. Keep an eye on square if it's moving around too much. Or you could introduce some skew.
great video
Thanks Paul. Good fun and another original door going back into the house.
Hello great man
Hello. Thank you 👍
Looks like a church hall door. 9/ 10 of repair is cleaning and preparation. At 18 mins ish, the glue pot might have cooled off by the time he fitted the stile. Would steaming the wood been an option? I like videos like this. Well done jamie
Yes, that kind of door. (Read through other comment replies) I'd not thought of the glue pot cooling off 🤔 Good call. I have thought since that the pot might have run out or dry.
The side came off while the customer was in the Workshop. It really didn't take much effort.
I didn't remove every scrap of evidence of the Hide Glue. I left some parts on to ensure it all went back into the right place. The lack of glue was unreal.
I am wondering how many comments ask why didn’t you disassemble the door completely to get rid of the old glue and paint. No doubt they are probably trying to do you in. Good job, clear video
@PeanutsDadForever Good question. And this wasn't a glue fail, this was lack of glue. The other side was showing no sign of failure at all. So why strip it all into pieces? The Hinge Stile might have had the Lions share of the Hide Glue 🤔 and holding well.
And during the video you could see that not much glue was used on the joints of the problem piece.
I now think that maybe the glue pot (double boiler) might have run low, or run out on this second side.
Could be..? What do you think?
If it ain’t broke, don’t mend it is my opinion. These jobs can grow legs if you’re not careful, then repair costs aren’t proportionate to the value of the piece. Unless the client says do a complete reconstruction. Just my thoughts, but it is subjective.
I'm with you on that 👍
Sash cramp. G clamp. That old chestnut. We’re correct mate 😜
Just realised I’ve previously made this comment
😂 That's okay. It all helps
Great Video. Interesting you used Titebond glue here to replace the hide glue ("animal glue" ). Are there any circumstances that you would have used a like for like glue?
Thanks Keir. It was panic stations for a bit. But hey-how, I got it done properly.
I trained to restore pieces. And yes you do use Like-for-like. In a structural piece like this door I used the titebond for its strength to hold that bowing. And these days with modern heating, some glues just aren't up to the job. So I do look at the surroundings, the customer, the budget etc to make the right call.
Now if it was a Georgian door... A totally different story. And the budget would be a lot more.
G clamps, Sash cramps is my terminology . I mentioned it a while ago I think
Clamp. Clamp and hold in position
Cramp. Cramp and pull mortise & tenons or suchlike together
I'm just all over the place with the terminology 😂
Looks as if the door has been reduced in height? The bottom rail has gooves in as though there was another dowel.
Good spot, that I forgot to mention. And the width (diameter) of that dowel is great. Did you spot the glue groove in the dowels too? To allow air out when clamped up. Very cool door. Lots to learn from these older pieces.
At what point do you decide to fix stuff or just leave it?
You new the door was warped and you had the piece off. How do you decide weather or not to straighten out the individual piece (obviously you did not need to totally break the whole door down) but maybe a bit of steam to get it straight before reassembling it ..... obviously you could do it, but when do you decide to do or not do it? Is it usually a price thing?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you should do it but I am interested in the decision making process.
I too noticed the dowel half hole on the bottom ;o)
Have you heard about the American idea of "Densifying" wood? You know it will come over here eventually ;o)
This door was reasonably easy and quick to repair. And it matches all the other doors in the customers home.
So it was worth fixing.
Some things are harder to repair, so I have to ask the questions.. Like
- How attached are you?
-What would you be prepared to spend on fixing it?
@@twcmaker Sorry Jamie, you misunderstand me. Obviously it was worth fixing, but there is a world of difference between different levels of fixing it. I was interested in how You decide the best level.
Right.. I ask questions. Clare said she had sanded it. So I knew I didn't have to spend ages sanding.
She loved the door and the bowing "is part of its character" so I'm building up a picture of what is acceptable to her. I wanted to try to get some bowing out. But it wasn't critical. I've got used to getting to know what the client would be happy with. And I wanted a quick turn around as it was going to take up bench space.
Getting to understand the client and the job in hand. Listening and also what the piece tells me too.
Is that what you meant
Jamie
@@twcmaker Now That was a Good answer, thanks!
You're welcome 👍
if the underside of your bench isnt 1/4" of dried glue you've wiped onto it over the years are you even a woodworker or are you just a bench owner?
@@joshwalker5605 Oooo... 🤔 I like it. Very good question