I honestly dont think any trivum parts are as rhythmically challenging as the chorus of locust. Its just insane how hard it is to sing the chorus and play the riff at the same time
40 cents sharp would mean get a tuner and then once you are perfectly at drop B just slightly tune it up to about 40% of the way to the next semitone which would be C...not a difficult concept
Why all the hate? I took it that he meant one of the first to pioneer the B/C drop tuning (I don't remember many bands before Machine Head tuning THAT low, only really to D)
Fear factory started using 7 strings on demanufacture. Before that they played on B standards. Actually, I'm not even sure they recorded demanufacture with a 7 string cause on the video for replica it looks like dino is playing a 6 string.
In terms of popularizing the drop B tuning sound, Machine Head was pretty early to the scene, but in terms of general down-tuning, particularly to the C# tuning that drop B is otherwise tuned to, it goes back to Sabbath's "Vol. 4" at least. Furthermore, while I can't recall if Overkill's "Skullcrusher" was in Drop B or slightly higher, that song predates Machine Head by about 4 years.
I'm sure some Led Zeppelin songs were in Open C too. As for pure metal, I don't know the timeline exactly, but Morbid Angel for example used seven string guitars pretty early on. Some early Sepultura songs were in standard C I think. Hell, even Korn released their album the same year as MH.
Just wanted to point out that he said "one of the first", not "the first". And half of you don't know the difference between drop tuning and down tuning.
I love how you immediately have people replying to you saying “other people did it first” like they didn’t even read what you said. Guys, saying you are “ONE OF the first” is super different from saying “the first.” He’s not saying MH was the first band to do it, he’s just saying that they were in the first handful of bands that started doing it
"We pioneered the practice of using what are called strings on electric guitars. On this song, you'll be playing what we call 'chords' and 'notes' on the six strings."
When it comes to who's better than who, it's all matter of opinion. I think Kerry is a great guitarist. Same with Robb Flynn and Phil Demmel. And others like Dave Mustaine, Tommy Iommi, Randy Rhoads, Jim ROot etc etc. But when people say somebody is better than somebody else, it's usually because they just like them better than the other.
Dimebag is ONE of my favorite guitarist, but I'd have to say that the best guitarist in my opinion is Alexi Laiho from Children of Bodom or Dave Mustaine from Megadeth
Who honestly gives that much of a shit over whether they pioneered it or not (they definitely contributed to it's use, E standard doesn't spring to mind when listening to most Machine Head stuff). They fucking rock and no I don't give a shit what genre people class them as. Folks like to call Megadeth a thrash band for example but aside from Endgame, they haven't made a thrash album this generation. Bands change over time and experiment. Why classify so many bands into genre niches, niches that overlap so closely most of the time and for some dumb cultural reason, certain people have a problem with it? For me it's just whether a band sounds good or not, not whether their music fits into a certain genre or not. I wouldn't care if Feared released a jazz album or something tomorrow. If it sounded good, I'd listen to it. I wouldn't just call it shit because they're a heavy band that are supposed to produce heavy music.
+Röss Lämönt I couldn agree more. Case in point, many myopic metallica fans tend to write-off Load and Reload albums just because it was not thrash. Who cares right? They were solid rock albums and had great songs. I detest people who expect their favorite bands to confine themselves to whatever their origins are in.
Its called "to have an identity" and there's no problem with that!! In fact the big majority of bands and artists never get one but they thing otherwise. Sure I undersand your pov, still its better for a band to have a sound and identity of their own than to sound like everyone else, imho. And that dosen't mean they have to do the same song over and over!! (some) Bands and artists "nowadays" complain and make big "artistic" statements about that. That they don't want to be stuck in some sound/style, they don't want to do the same thing again and again. The "problem" to me is that most of them, don't have an original sound to begin with, they never really developed their own identity/sound but they think they have. So they start that cliche speech about wanting to "evolve" and changing. Changing from what? "You" were never anything. And its even worse because they say that like they have an higher vision of things. Evolving my ass!! Most of the "evolving" process they do, consists on adding new sounds or instruments, because the music structure is exactly the same as milions before. Its an easier process, but they sell this as a very hard thing to do. I mean, its very easy for some death metal band to make an album full of bongo drums, pan flautes, viloins and triangles and then say to the public "we evolve". BS. I'm not against bands changing their sound and experiment, but if every artist/band do the same all the time, what's the point of having diferent artists? I mean, that's basically the concept of a covers band. The thing is, "you" can't be everything! I know that at the end of the day bands/artist do whatever they want but I don't need a Madonna heavy metal album or a Metallica pop-dance album. Without forgeting to mention, that most bands/artist that became world famous, was because they have their own sound. I like my oranges tasting like oranges and my apples tasting like apples.
Dont see the problem with him saying they "pioneered" drop tunings. i mean its music who gives a shit who started what? if you want to get REALLY technical then fine but if you get technical youre one of the idiots that agree that stairway to heaven was a rip off of another song. "good musicians take Great musicians steal" said by kirk hammett himself. now stop sitting on the internet and bashing the band when you can support them for making REAL music not that crappy electronic, auto tuned, fake crap.
+Rated Well, it's patently wrong. Just in hard rock and heavy metal spheres, Soundgarden, Helmet, and King's X were doing drop tunings before Machine Head was formed. The Beatles had a song in Drop-D, for crying out loud. So did Led Zeppelin and Van Halen. It predates Machine Head. They may have been the first band to popularize Drop-B specifically, but they assuredly did not pioneer the concept of tuning the low string an additional full tone down.
Every good point that you've said lost credibility when you said ''crappy electronic, auto tuned, fake crap'' making you the same idiot that agree with Stairway to Heaven being a rip off. What a shame.
I always get like a feeling that Robb's Guitar playing is much more cleaner than Phil's. Phil is kind of a bit sloppier in my opinion. mayne it's just because he is the rythm AND the lead vocalist.
Nick Nelson what? He said one thing about the band which is a group of people. Not himself. Robb is actually a very nice guy. The catharsis incident also happened after this video was made so you guys should just shut the fuck up.
@@alecschor4506 is this why his whole band quit on him. Or why he opted to pay adam duce less then the whole band, or worse declined to do the Roadrunner United album in till they paid him much much more then the other artists on the album. Long time Machine Head fan but Rob has always seemed like an ass to me.
Just to clear up a few misconceptions: When talking standard tuning (EADGBe) drop means ONLY dropping the low E to a D, so you can bar the bottom three strings. If you drop all the strings down a full step, then you would be in standard D, NOT dropped D. Down two whole steps is standard C, drop the low string only then, and your in dropped C so you can bar the bottom three strings. And so on. Get it? That's the difference between dropped and standard.
one string or all strings....Zepp (moby dick) the doors, beatles all played or drop D tunings...my point is this dude learned it from musicians that played it many years ago.....
Finally!!! Rob has told you how to tune your guitars to cover Machine Head.... Thankyou... now we don't have to explain in our covers 1001 times how to tune to MH ;)
SpinalAlloy No one even knows if there is a band that introduced drop tuning. I'm just saying what I think. All I want was to know who you think introduced drop tuning.
@sketchyou there are 100 cents in a semitone (half step if you're american?), so he tunes to drop b, then tunes all the strings up again again by '40 cents'. It's not enough to be considered a different note, but enough to be noticeable if you decided to compare any given note between the guitar and a piano (that we'll assume is perfectly in tune)
I realize your comment is sarcasm, but yeah, Robb and Machine Head did pioneer this style of Metal. Them and Pantera have had the biggest influence on modern metal as it's known today. Machine Head have been around for the better part of twenty fucking years, so your comment holds virtually no water. Do your homework before taking shots at people who've done more than most of us could hope to achieve.
Robb talks about "tuning 40 cents sharp", but how do you tune to that? Solely by ear? I haven't come across a tuner that lets you set Pantera tuning (1/4 flat) at the center. Perhaps I have to use one of the "flat" dots as a reference point?
Huge fan of Robb and Phil, but their leanings toward nu metal are not good. Burning red was frat boy nu metal tripe...but I tell you what...he ended it all with the Blackening, one of the finest metal albums done since 2000, a total masterpiece.
Burning Red and Supercharger were a combination of Roadrunner pushing Machine head to be something they weren't and Rob and co trying out new sounds to see if they could fit in with the up-coming nu-metal wave in the late 90's/early 00's. The former had its' good moments (The blood, the sweat, the tears and Devil with the Kings' card), but both albums are ranked quite low in a Machine Head fans' list because of the difference in sound to the first 2 albums. In fact 'Charger nearly killed them off after the Crashing Around You video was released about a week before 9/11, and they suffered a huge media backlash because of it. That said, I still think my all-time favourite album they've done is Ashes Of Empires. A brutal return to their older sound. And I don't care that some new-generation 'metaaaaaaal' douches really seem to hate MH, they're pretty much my all-time favourite band and Bloodstones & Diamonds is a superb record.
He's not saying he 'invented' drop tuning. Bands like Sabbath certainly made use of it in and amongst what they were doing at the time but Machine Head were one of the bands that took the idea and pioneered using it exclusively
+JEENOX D Sabbath never drop tuned. Drop tuning is to do with the 6th string being an octave below the 4th. Iommi never did that (or at least very rarely)
Some people use drop D, C, B and A tuning to play with one finger but when I use it I can come up with some cool riffs & solos that you can't really do in a standard tuning!
+Dark Nebula don't confuse drop tuning with down-tuning Drop tuning is when you tune the lowest string a whole tone lower from regular tuning and that was evident in the 90s and later on. Bands like Pantera, Korn, Deftones and Machine Head were all brought up in the first half of the 90s, and they would all use that drop tuning sonic vibe.
I don't recall Pantera using Drop B or below C# standard tuning, unless Dimebag started with Drop B and below in Damageplan, but Deftones never got into C# tuning or below until their fourth album in 2003. I also don't recall that Deftones have used Drop B because John Carpenter uses seven or eight strings and Chino probably didn't start playing guitar specifically with C# standard or Drop B.
Danny Sykes Sabbath never used drop tunings. Sabbath used DOWN tunings. Drop tunings have the 6th and 4th strings an octave apart, making the 6th and 5th strings a perfect fifth. Down tunings have you tune every string down by the same interval. Sabbath play in C# Standard (C#F#BD#G#C#) 99% of the time live nowadays, whereas a band like Lamb of God plays in Drop C# (C#G#C#F#A#D#) live. In C# Standard , the whole guitar is one and a half tones lower than E Standard, whereas in Drop C#, the 6th string is one and a half tones lower than E Standard while the rest of the guitar is half a tone lower than E Standard.
@bobokk My mistake, but "Davidian" is in Drop B tuning and was on "Burn My Eyes" (though not the demo as I had original recalled), so my initial assertion about Machine Head using it first is still correct.
good lesson and interest about Robb's tone.. does anyone know how to tune guitar to a different frequencies? is that mean not tune in 440hz? or that's just talking about mixing? thanks
@v2freak for starters, Led Zeppelin (Moby Dick, 1969); Van Halen (Unchained, 1981); Uriah Heep (The Wizard, early 70's I think); The Beatles (Dear Prudence, not sure of the year); King's X (most or all of their material, they came out in the 80's). And even Jazz great George Benson has occasionally used Drop-D, for ages. Like I said, not slagging the guy, I'm actually a big fan of MH, they're one of the best bands around in my opinion. I'm just pointing out what's what. Cheers, man!
He took classical lessons from a expert classical guitarist and was already an amazing guitarist, I REALLY don't care what what you say. "then why are you talking to me?" You may ask- because I take pride in spreading a good word about an amazing man like Mr. Flynn, his music is life changing and emotional/heartfelt. I have been playing guitar for years and I simply know what I am saying. You may hate him or like or love him- whatever, he is an incredible guitarist. One of the best seen, ever.
@SCOTTYISSRM The simple answer is yes, but depends on a lot of things, mainly on your personal taste. When I played in drop B on my 24.75" guitar, I used 65 gauge for the low B. On my 7 string, which was 25.5" scale, I used 60, yet it sounded a lot clearer, sharper, and the string tension felt more "natural" to me. On my baritone I only need to use 56 gauge, and due to the longer scale the sound clears up a lot! Actually when I put on 60's on the 27" scale, I could go down to G#, noproblem. :)
After that long intro talk about why they tune some cent higher and how much research they put into it I didn't expect him to play most of the lesson with an out of tune instrument. Didn't know the band still exists, but remember I liked their first album a lot when it came out.
@axllovesslash Tony Iommi is a very special player, you can't compare anyone to him. Dude was truly one of a kind. There's plenty of great players that make good usage out of the extra strings. "Need," isn't the right question...use is.
@ElvisBluntman777 Iommi didn't play in Drop D, the lowest tuning he used was in Electirc Funeral when he tuned to Eb Ab Db Gb Bb Eb or a half step lower.
Very cool man! Can I ask what gauge strings are you using? I use 10s,.but tuning down this far makes the strings very lose feeling,.like flappy. Kind of sucks. Are you using 13s?
A good rule of thumb for this is for every half note you drop, go up 1 string gauge. 9s-10s for Standard, 10s for half step down, 11s for whole step down, 12s for C Standard etc etc. I tend to used 12 - 60 for drop B and C however
@readonly Ok thanks so what does machine head tune to? And i didn't say they invented drop tuning just saying that i believe they did sort of inspired alot of people and bands today to drop tune.
Black sabbath were the first to downtune in drop tuning , they downtuned to Drop C#. Morbid angel were one of the first to downtune to B in the early 1990s, They downtune to B standard.
Pioneers of drop tuning? I think a little unknown band named black sabbath drop tuned before Mr. Flynn was an embryo, no disrespect Machine Head rule, but blanket statements like that make me chuckle
@tango616 he said one of the first, not the first. and in a sense they were one of the first, because they started in 95, and the only other bands that were blatantly using those tunings were pantera, cannibal corpse, nile, etc.
yes, set your tuner at 44.500 Hz and tune your guitar o drop B. That's the right tuning for MH songs on Locust album and The blackening (exept I am Hell and Be still and know)
Your strings will have more tension. And well, it's for the sound. B is a very deep tuning and changing from 440 hz to 450hz makes the sound a little bit brighter :)
Falls du Deutsch kannst, den Kammerton von 440 hz zu ändern (40 cents sharper) macht das. das drop B Tuning nicht ganz so tief ist. Das ist auch was Robb am Anfang erwähnt. Es erhöht auch ein bisschen die Spannung der Saiten, damit die nicht so labberig sind z.B
@zadraluca Thats cause of who he tunes inbetween drop b and c as he says he drop b's it then he tunes it slightly sharper cause he gives just a little sweeter sound and better harmonics
@Metalwurst666 I did not mean that the guitar was out of tune regarding wich tuning its supposed to be. I mean the chords sound out of tune as if one of the strings is to sharp. I thought it would be obvious, but maybe it´s just me? everytime I hear something out of tune I emmediatelly pick it up.
I use the same strings that I normally put in my 7 string, and it works great. the strings are not too fat for the nut and stuff (D'addario exl120-7, just get rid of the 9)
Actually, I own the Phil Demmel Signature Jackson Demmelition King V which is 25.5 scale length, and even has a Floyd Rose and it came tuned to Drop B and sounded amazing. It is possible haha, even with a floyd, but make sure to use heavy gauge strings, my Jackson has 11-56, that's almost Baritone territory...
@UkrRusSlavic I never said I KNEW the hundreds. Zakk Wyld used Drop B, Sepultura has used Droped B, Nile used Drop A I believe, Amon amarth, Burzum tuned to F#. Korn, In flames used C, only half step difference. Meshuggah tuned to F, Slipknot, Strapping young lad, Arch Enemy, Carcass, Deaftones, Hatebreed, Soilwork, Dream theater. There, most of those off the top of my Head.
@jurnag12 Sabbath used drop D I believe, right from the beginning....since Iommi had severed fingers. And there's this Thrasher band from Seattle called Forced Entry. They played Drop D as well in their 1991 album and numerous other old school bands ..... Basically drop tuning isn't that much of an unusual thing.
@jurnag12 actually that Metallica song that i think your talking about, The That Should Not Be, it was tuned to D not drop D. now Queen and The Beatles i don't know, im sure your right though
I’m glad to hear one of my favorite musicians say that the “6th” string should really be the 1st...I’ve fought that my whole life.
Right?! I love Robb for that alone.
Even thinking about it hurts my brain :D
Yeah but with extended range guitars like 7 or 8 string guitars it would be the 2nd or 3rd string so it changes.
Amen brother.
Your not alone. It definitely makes more sense🤟
His Voice is drop B,too
@@SixStringOverdose sharp 40 cent
@@JohnyBUCuQ5R and that´s why some songs have rap in them... 40 cent/50 cent... Makes sense now!
@@filipevieira3343 😂😂
True.
🤣🤣
2:10 that riff is brilliant, so good!
Eargasm city right.
My favorite part of the song tbh
I know.
He's a criminally underrated guitar player ...
Very
what?? He is just a good player in machine head. He knows his stuff but he isnt a super good or underrated player.
@@thallrudedjentstorm1756 nah he’s pretty good. Better a majority of these wannabe fucks nowadays.
U know nothing about guitar playing, boy, if u think that this guy playing good 😆
Nope.
For such a hardcore band, they have some really beautiful melodies..
Rob is a complete beast...I've always loved machine heads use of harmonics. And godly guitar playing
Im glad he got his stolen dimebag back.I think id go on a killing spree if someone stole a guitar that dime personally gave me!
Man, that verse riff is sick! I had forgotten about this song!
Rob is freaking amazing underrated guitar and singer!!🤘🤘🤘
I love the clarity of his clean.
he plays that shit while doing vocals?
yep
I mean I know for Revocation and Children of Bodom its the same deal, but still..
bodom is a bit faster from my opinion? but then again, i know NOTHING of playing a quitar:D they're all amazing tho
PSMTCHEF matt heafy from Trivium does too
I honestly dont think any trivum parts are as rhythmically challenging as the chorus of locust. Its just insane how hard it is to sing the chorus and play the riff at the same time
drop tuning is different from down tuning people
+Mr. Smith we know, and bands have been using drop tuning since forever.
Mr. Smith no way?!!!!
Like. What if I told you, CHA.....
How to not get your song covered on youtube:
Make sure it's drop B and 40 cents sharp, yep there you go!
Cool song though!
40 cents sharp would mean get a tuner and then once you are perfectly at drop B just slightly tune it up to about 40% of the way to the next semitone which would be C...not a difficult concept
Ghost.Flowers
You'd think that right lmao. But some people have no fucking clue lolol:P
True lol I guess I might be giving people a bit too much credit
A lot of people would not even bother to try it (or be capable)
If you have the ability to cover this song in the first place, I would have thought you’d have the ability to figure out the tuning?
Why all the hate? I took it that he meant one of the first to pioneer the B/C drop tuning (I don't remember many bands before Machine Head tuning THAT low, only really to D)
AdamBa17 fear factory?
Vámos Györk Fear Factory uses Standard Tunning, and seven string guitars.
Fear factory started using 7 strings on demanufacture. Before that they played on B standards. Actually, I'm not even sure they recorded demanufacture with a 7 string cause on the video for replica it looks like dino is playing a 6 string.
But if it was in Standard, it's not Drop, still.
Nirvana tuned to drop c for their song blew in 1989.
He is really fucking underrated i dont care what people say even as a guitar player myself i find his riffs fucking tight as hell
In terms of popularizing the drop B tuning sound, Machine Head was pretty early to the scene, but in terms of general down-tuning, particularly to the C# tuning that drop B is otherwise tuned to, it goes back to Sabbath's "Vol. 4" at least. Furthermore, while I can't recall if Overkill's "Skullcrusher" was in Drop B or slightly higher, that song predates Machine Head by about 4 years.
I'm sure some Led Zeppelin songs were in Open C too. As for pure metal, I don't know the timeline exactly, but Morbid Angel for example used seven string guitars pretty early on. Some early Sepultura songs were in standard C I think. Hell, even Korn released their album the same year as MH.
@@kittavares4334Bolt Thrower tuned to A standard in 1989 for Realm of Chaos, first band to go that low from what I know.
The Flynn 40 cents sharp in the b area tuning ok got it!
Just wanted to point out that he said "one of the first", not "the first". And half of you don't know the difference between drop tuning and down tuning.
Ofcourse morbid angel was tuning to B standard down tuning by 1990, machine head used drop B tuning by late 90s
I'm a big MH fan but it is childish/cheese dickey of him to say.
There was tons of stuff in b before they did it.
I love how you immediately have people replying to you saying “other people did it first” like they didn’t even read what you said.
Guys, saying you are “ONE OF the first” is super different from saying “the first.” He’s not saying MH was the first band to do it, he’s just saying that they were in the first handful of bands that started doing it
@@RockyLXXXVIII This is full with little kids getting all worked up for nothing.
literally knows what hes doing. such an awesome guy and a guitarist
machine head + new stuff = epic album
I can't wait for the new cd;)
"We pioneered the practice of using what are called strings on electric guitars. On this song, you'll be playing what we call 'chords' and 'notes' on the six strings."
He is way better than kerry king
WARNING: You might end up starting a huge fight with ALOT of people, even though I agree xD.
SerjShower but he isn't wrong..... and i dislike Robb FLynn
When it comes to who's better than who, it's all matter of opinion. I think Kerry is a great guitarist. Same with Robb Flynn and Phil Demmel. And others like Dave Mustaine, Tommy Iommi, Randy Rhoads, Jim ROot etc etc. But when people say somebody is better than somebody else, it's usually because they just like them better than the other.
Dimebag is ONE of my favorite guitarist, but I'd have to say that the best guitarist in my opinion is Alexi Laiho from Children of Bodom or Dave Mustaine from Megadeth
It's an absolute mindfuck what he can do
It's always cool when you have your own band tattooed on ya... especially when you invented drop tuning!
I know that your comment is very old but Robb didn't invent shit!!
@@andrepereira744 haha I know, I was making fun of him as he's the sort of delusional weirdo that would say that
@@higler. Oh My bad, buddy!
You did the right thing then! :)
Who honestly gives that much of a shit over whether they pioneered it or not (they definitely contributed to it's use, E standard doesn't spring to mind when listening to most Machine Head stuff). They fucking rock and no I don't give a shit what genre people class them as. Folks like to call Megadeth a thrash band for example but aside from Endgame, they haven't made a thrash album this generation. Bands change over time and experiment. Why classify so many bands into genre niches, niches that overlap so closely most of the time and for some dumb cultural reason, certain people have a problem with it? For me it's just whether a band sounds good or not, not whether their music fits into a certain genre or not. I wouldn't care if Feared released a jazz album or something tomorrow. If it sounded good, I'd listen to it. I wouldn't just call it shit because they're a heavy band that are supposed to produce heavy music.
+Röss Lämönt I couldn agree more. Case in point, many myopic metallica fans tend to write-off Load and Reload albums just because it was not thrash. Who cares right? They were solid rock albums and had great songs. I detest people who expect their favorite bands to confine themselves to whatever their origins are in.
Endgame wasn’t the only trash album they’ve released, United Abominations, Dystopia and partially Th1rt3en
Its called "to have an identity" and there's no problem with that!! In fact the big majority of bands and artists never get one but they thing otherwise. Sure I undersand your pov, still its better for a band to have a sound and identity of their own than to sound like everyone else, imho. And that dosen't mean they have to do the same song over and over!!
(some) Bands and artists "nowadays" complain and make big "artistic" statements about that. That they don't want to be stuck in some sound/style, they don't want to do the same thing again and again. The "problem" to me is that most of them, don't have an original sound to begin with, they never really developed their own identity/sound but they think they have. So they start that cliche speech about wanting to "evolve" and changing. Changing from what? "You" were never anything. And its even worse because they say that like they have an higher vision of things. Evolving my ass!! Most of the "evolving" process they do, consists on adding new sounds or instruments, because the music structure is exactly the same as milions before. Its an easier process, but they sell this as a very hard thing to do. I mean, its very easy for some death metal band to make an album full of bongo drums, pan flautes, viloins and triangles and then say to the public "we evolve". BS.
I'm not against bands changing their sound and experiment, but if every artist/band do the same all the time, what's the point of having diferent artists? I mean, that's basically the concept of a covers band. The thing is, "you" can't be everything!
I know that at the end of the day bands/artist do whatever they want but I don't need a Madonna heavy metal album or a Metallica pop-dance album.
Without forgeting to mention, that most bands/artist that became world famous, was because they have their own sound.
I like my oranges tasting like oranges and my apples tasting like apples.
Absolutely loved this lesson!! best song!! Cheers Robb Flynn and Guitar World!
What a cool dude.
Met this guy and the rest of machine head, and had em sign a poster which is now hanging in my room. \,,/
Dunlop HeavyCore 12 to 54 ;) ideal for this tuning :D
it really is
That Verse riff is just tearin' shit up! Awesome
Chugga chugga chug chugga chug chugga chug
Hell yeah!
Met Rob Logan Adam and will from armored saint was drumming in place of Kontos.... Such awesome humble guys. BME tour.
Dont see the problem with him saying they "pioneered" drop tunings. i mean its music who gives a shit who started what? if you want to get REALLY technical then fine but if you get technical youre one of the idiots that agree that stairway to heaven was a rip off of another song. "good musicians take Great musicians steal" said by kirk hammett himself. now stop sitting on the internet and bashing the band when you can support them for making REAL music not that crappy electronic, auto tuned, fake crap.
Rated Designs BLACK SABBATH
+Rated Designs can't spell crap without rap
+Rated Well, it's patently wrong. Just in hard rock and heavy metal spheres, Soundgarden, Helmet, and King's X were doing drop tunings before Machine Head was formed. The Beatles had a song in Drop-D, for crying out loud. So did Led Zeppelin and Van Halen. It predates Machine Head. They may have been the first band to popularize Drop-B specifically, but they assuredly did not pioneer the concept of tuning the low string an additional full tone down.
Every good point that you've said lost credibility when you said ''crappy electronic, auto tuned, fake crap'' making you the same idiot that agree with Stairway to Heaven being a rip off. What a shame.
been listening to MH from the beginning and its kickass to see em back in the spotlight \\m//
I always get like a feeling that Robb's Guitar playing is much more cleaner than Phil's. Phil is kind of a bit sloppier in my opinion. mayne it's just because he is the rythm AND the lead vocalist.
Very nice crunch there! \m/ That verse riff is sweet too!
"we were one of the first bands to pioneer drop tuning"
lol...
Robb comes across as being very full himself. Very annoying
Nick Nelson what? He said one thing about the band which is a group of people. Not himself. Robb is actually a very nice guy. The catharsis incident also happened after this video was made so you guys should just shut the fuck up.
Metallica Rulz Catharsis incident?
@@alecschor4506 is this why his whole band quit on him. Or why he opted to pay adam duce less then the whole band, or worse declined to do the Roadrunner United album in till they paid him much much more then the other artists on the album. Long time Machine Head fan but Rob has always seemed like an ass to me.
Just to clear up a few misconceptions: When talking standard tuning (EADGBe) drop means ONLY dropping the low E to a D, so you can bar the bottom three strings. If you drop all the strings down a full step, then you would be in standard D, NOT dropped D. Down two whole steps is standard C, drop the low string only then, and your in dropped C so you can bar the bottom three strings. And so on. Get it? That's the difference between dropped and standard.
Tony Iommi dropped his shit in 68'
+AXE SLINGER Which Sabbath songs are in drop tunings?
all of them........ Bb-Ab-Db-Gb-Bb-Eb,
You know what drop tuning is, right?
Also, most of Sabbath is Db-Gb-B-E-Ab-Db
one string or all strings....Zepp (moby dick) the doors, beatles all played or drop D tunings...my point is this dude learned it from musicians that played it many years ago.....
+AXE SLINGER Yeah that's a fair point. I just remember Tony for sounding so heavy without drop tuning.
Finally!!! Rob has told you how to tune your guitars to cover Machine Head.... Thankyou... now we don't have to explain in our covers 1001 times how to tune to MH ;)
Really?...they were the first band to use dropped tunings? I highly doubt that
How else do you think drop tuning was introduced?
I'm just saying they weren't the first one
SpinalAlloy No one even knows if there is a band that introduced drop tuning. I'm just saying what I think.
All I want was to know who you think introduced drop tuning.
Who do I think? As far as metal goes, I say Led Zeppelin...but that's just me
But you do have a point there
@sketchyou there are 100 cents in a semitone (half step if you're american?), so he tunes to drop b, then tunes all the strings up again again by '40 cents'. It's not enough to be considered a different note, but enough to be noticeable if you decided to compare any given note between the guitar and a piano (that we'll assume is perfectly in tune)
"Hey Im jesus and I will show you how to play locust"
Rob Flynn is the most underrated frontman in metal today, he owns on guitar and his vocals are way better than matt heafy and howard jones
Their last great album was Burn My Eyes.
Whoa, you do know "The Blackening" exist!!??!!??
Tony Stark Unto the Locust is very underrated
@jacksback1021 parkway drive plays in between drop A and drop B. the tuning machine head plays in is between drop B and drop C.
Hard times. Jesus is now teaching guitar tutorials and shit.
Get a life
I realize your comment is sarcasm, but yeah, Robb and Machine Head did pioneer this style of Metal. Them and Pantera have had the biggest influence on modern metal as it's known today. Machine Head have been around for the better part of twenty fucking years, so your comment holds virtually no water.
Do your homework before taking shots at people who've done more than most of us could hope to achieve.
yeah that drop running comment is just ego-centric. love you guys but na bro...ya didn't.
Robb talks about "tuning 40 cents sharp", but how do you tune to that? Solely by ear? I haven't come across a tuner that lets you set Pantera tuning (1/4 flat) at the center. Perhaps I have to use one of the "flat" dots as a reference point?
Huge fan of Robb and Phil, but their leanings toward nu metal are not good. Burning red was frat boy nu metal tripe...but I tell you what...he ended it all with the Blackening, one of the finest metal albums done since 2000, a total masterpiece.
Burning Red and Supercharger were a combination of Roadrunner pushing Machine head to be something they weren't and Rob and co trying out new sounds to see if they could fit in with the up-coming nu-metal wave in the late 90's/early 00's. The former had its' good moments (The blood, the sweat, the tears and Devil with the Kings' card), but both albums are ranked quite low in a Machine Head fans' list because of the difference in sound to the first 2 albums. In fact 'Charger nearly killed them off after the Crashing Around You video was released about a week before 9/11, and they suffered a huge media backlash because of it.
That said, I still think my all-time favourite album they've done is Ashes Of Empires. A brutal return to their older sound. And I don't care that some new-generation 'metaaaaaaal' douches really seem to hate MH, they're pretty much my all-time favourite band and Bloodstones & Diamonds is a superb record.
Damn, the verse riff slowed down could be a perfect throwdown moment during a show!
One of the first Bands with drop tuning.. Bullshit
+zippy1911 Not ONE of the first?
He's not saying he 'invented' drop tuning. Bands like Sabbath certainly made use of it in and amongst what they were doing at the time but Machine Head were one of the bands that took the idea and pioneered using it exclusively
+JEENOX D Sabbath never drop tuned. Drop tuning is to do with the 6th string being an octave below the 4th. Iommi never did that (or at least very rarely)
John Moore exactly!
Some people use drop D, C, B and A tuning to play with one finger but when I use it I can come up with some cool riffs & solos that you can't really do in a standard tuning!
I love how he says they 'pioneered' drop tunings whilst wearing a black sabbath t-shirt.
+Dark Nebula don't confuse drop tuning with down-tuning Drop tuning is when you tune the lowest string a whole tone lower from regular tuning and that was evident in the 90s and later on. Bands like Pantera, Korn, Deftones and Machine Head were all brought up in the first half of the 90s, and they would all use that drop tuning sonic vibe.
I don't recall Pantera using Drop B or below C# standard tuning, unless Dimebag started with Drop B and below in Damageplan, but Deftones never got into C# tuning or below until their fourth album in 2003. I also don't recall that Deftones have used Drop B because John Carpenter uses seven or eight strings and Chino probably didn't start playing guitar specifically with C# standard or Drop B.
@TheMegamania Death plays in d standerd, he means that the "first string" is tuned a step lower than the the rest.
First one to pioneer Drop tuning hahahaha And He is wearing Sabbath Tshirt LOL
Danny Sykes Sabbath never used drop tunings. Sabbath used DOWN tunings. Drop tunings have the 6th and 4th strings an octave apart, making the 6th and 5th strings a perfect fifth. Down tunings have you tune every string down by the same interval. Sabbath play in C# Standard (C#F#BD#G#C#) 99% of the time live nowadays, whereas a band like Lamb of God plays in Drop C# (C#G#C#F#A#D#) live. In C# Standard , the whole guitar is one and a half tones lower than E Standard, whereas in Drop C#, the 6th string is one and a half tones lower than E Standard while the rest of the guitar is half a tone lower than E Standard.
"One of the first" he said
@bobokk My mistake, but "Davidian" is in Drop B tuning and was on "Burn My Eyes" (though not the demo as I had original recalled), so my initial assertion about Machine Head using it first is still correct.
I love rob and machine head but that guitar could be from avril lavigne...
@tango616 Burn my Eyes was written around 1992.... not many bands used drop tunings back then
how amazing tone that is! anyone know what gear he used here besides the emgs?
That crunch in the intro is sick
My God, Robb looks so young here...
How time flies
I thought i was the only one who noticed
@brandon taddy. You are forgetting bill steer from carcass, and alex hellid from entombed.
good lesson and interest about Robb's tone..
does anyone know how to tune guitar to a different frequencies?
is that mean not tune in 440hz? or that's just talking about mixing? thanks
Same in the Advanced mix, Robb is right ear and does the harmony, also on all guitar tabs for it, it says Phil does the harmony.
@v2freak for starters, Led Zeppelin (Moby Dick, 1969); Van Halen (Unchained, 1981); Uriah Heep (The Wizard, early 70's I think); The Beatles (Dear Prudence, not sure of the year); King's X (most or all of their material, they came out in the 80's). And even Jazz great George Benson has occasionally used Drop-D, for ages.
Like I said, not slagging the guy, I'm actually a big fan of MH, they're one of the best bands around in my opinion. I'm just pointing out what's what.
Cheers, man!
He took classical lessons from a expert classical guitarist and was already an amazing guitarist, I REALLY don't care what what you say. "then why are you talking to me?" You may ask- because I take pride in spreading a good word about an amazing man like Mr. Flynn, his music is life changing and emotional/heartfelt. I have been playing guitar for years and I simply know what I am saying. You may hate him or like or love him- whatever, he is an incredible guitarist. One of the best seen, ever.
@Masahreeindigo he explains that they tune a bit sharp from drop b, just like pantera tuned a bit off of normal tunings
@SCOTTYISSRM The simple answer is yes, but depends on a lot of things, mainly on your personal taste. When I played in drop B on my 24.75" guitar, I used 65 gauge for the low B. On my 7 string, which was 25.5" scale, I used 60, yet it sounded a lot clearer, sharper, and the string tension felt more "natural" to me. On my baritone I only need to use 56 gauge, and due to the longer scale the sound clears up a lot! Actually when I put on 60's on the 27" scale, I could go down to G#, noproblem. :)
After that long intro talk about why they tune some cent higher and how much research they put into it I didn't expect him to play most of the lesson with an out of tune instrument. Didn't know the band still exists, but remember I liked their first album a lot when it came out.
He's got a awesome solid sound
@axllovesslash Tony Iommi is a very special player, you can't compare anyone to him. Dude was truly one of a kind. There's plenty of great players that make good usage out of the extra strings. "Need," isn't the right question...use is.
Does anybody know what the tempo is on this tune? I can't get the timing right. Maybe a metronome might help. Thanks in advance.
@ElvisBluntman777 Iommi didn't play in Drop D, the lowest tuning he used was in Electirc Funeral when he tuned to Eb Ab Db Gb Bb Eb or a half step lower.
Very cool man! Can I ask what gauge strings are you using? I use 10s,.but tuning down this far makes the strings very lose feeling,.like flappy. Kind of sucks. Are you using 13s?
A good rule of thumb for this is for every half note you drop, go up 1 string gauge. 9s-10s for Standard, 10s for half step down, 11s for whole step down, 12s for C Standard etc etc. I tend to used 12 - 60 for drop B and C however
@jurnag12 was machine head the first band to create a whole album using drop tunning??
Actually Robb has stated many times that Machine Head's tuning is pretty much drop B but raised a few cents. Somewhere between drop c and drop b.
@readonly Ok thanks so what does machine head tune to? And i didn't say they invented drop tuning just saying that i believe they did sort of inspired alot of people and bands today to drop tune.
Black sabbath were the first to downtune in drop tuning , they downtuned to Drop C#.
Morbid angel were one of the first to downtune to B in the early 1990s, They downtune to B standard.
In western music industry in the pop/rock perhaps.. meanwhile there are jazz fusion instrumentalists and hey.. russians had their 7-string balalaikas.
Pioneers of drop tuning? I think a little unknown band named black sabbath drop tuned before Mr. Flynn was an embryo, no disrespect Machine Head rule, but blanket statements like that make me chuckle
@tango616 he said one of the first, not the first. and in a sense they were one of the first, because they started in 95, and the only other bands that were blatantly using those tunings were pantera, cannibal corpse, nile, etc.
@tango616 he said "We were one of the first bands to pioneer drop tuning" which is completely true.
yes, set your tuner at 44.500 Hz and tune your guitar o drop B. That's the right tuning for MH songs on Locust album and The blackening (exept I am Hell and Be still and know)
I use drop B also, can someone explain the 40 cents sharp tuning to me? Can you do that on the regular TU-2 by Boss?
Just tune your guitar in B with A=450
will try, but what does it bring exactly to be tuned a little sharper?
Your strings will have more tension. And well, it's for the sound. B is a very deep tuning and changing from 440 hz to 450hz makes the sound a little bit brighter :)
Falls du Deutsch kannst, den Kammerton von 440 hz zu ändern (40 cents sharper) macht das. das drop B Tuning nicht ganz so tief ist. Das ist auch was Robb am Anfang erwähnt. Es erhöht auch ein bisschen die Spannung der Saiten, damit die nicht so labberig sind z.B
thanks i'll try it!
@zadraluca Thats cause of who he tunes inbetween drop b and c as he says he drop b's it then he tunes it slightly sharper cause he gives just a little sweeter sound and better harmonics
you're right man, checked ir from the album. Right ear is harmonies. are you sure Robb is the right guitar in the mix?
@NIMHFS I think he meant pioneering the dropped B tuning, cause they kinda were.
Tjr riffs on this track are superb.
What is that high pitched beeping he does with his guitar? Does he do that on accident?
a harmonic, and its on purpose
its done in a lot of their music
Its signature to their sound
@Metalwurst666 I did not mean that the guitar was out of tune regarding wich tuning its supposed to be. I mean the chords sound out of tune as if one of the strings is to sharp.
I thought it would be obvious, but maybe it´s just me? everytime I hear something out of tune I emmediatelly pick it up.
I use the same strings that I normally put in my 7 string, and it works great. the strings are not too fat for the nut and stuff (D'addario exl120-7, just get rid of the 9)
Actually, I own the Phil Demmel Signature Jackson Demmelition King V which is 25.5 scale length, and even has a Floyd Rose and it came tuned to Drop B and sounded amazing. It is possible haha, even with a floyd, but make sure to use heavy gauge strings, my Jackson has 11-56, that's almost Baritone territory...
i love his tone man
@Guitarman461 it is his signature baritone guitar
@UkrRusSlavic I never said I KNEW the hundreds. Zakk Wyld used Drop B, Sepultura has used Droped B, Nile used Drop A I believe, Amon amarth, Burzum tuned to F#. Korn, In flames used C, only half step difference. Meshuggah tuned to F, Slipknot, Strapping young lad, Arch Enemy, Carcass, Deaftones, Hatebreed, Soilwork, Dream theater. There, most of those off the top of my Head.
Quick question, which ear do Robb and Phil play?
@jurnag12 Sabbath used drop D I believe, right from the beginning....since Iommi had severed fingers. And there's this Thrasher band from Seattle called Forced Entry. They played Drop D as well in their 1991 album and numerous other old school bands ..... Basically drop tuning isn't that much of an unusual thing.
@jurnag12 actually that Metallica song that i think your talking about, The That Should Not Be, it was tuned to D not drop D. now Queen and The Beatles i don't know, im sure your right though
never been a machine head fan, but what a nice guy!
love the tone