I actually read the Baal myth...here's what I found! (Part 1)
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- Опубліковано 6 лют 2025
- In this series we are looking at the story of Baal from the Ras Shamra texts found at Ugarit. Baal is one of the main Canaanite gods whom Israel was tempted to worship in the Hebrew Bible alongside their pagan neighbors. The more we know about the Baal myth, the more we recognize when the Biblical authors use imagery associated with it and what Scripture proclaims about the TRUE “rider on the clouds”, YHWH!
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1 kings 18: 27 At noon Elijah began to make fun of them. “Pray louder!” he said. “If Baal really is a god, maybe he is thinking, or busy, or traveling! Maybe he is sleeping so you will have to wake him!” 28 The prophets prayed louder, cutting themselves with swords and spears until their blood flowed, which was the way they worshiped. 29 The afternoon passed, and the prophets continued to act like this until it was time for the evening sacrifice. But no voice was heard; Baal did not answer, and no one paid attention....
@dalelerette206 This God-off is both hillarious and deadly serious. :p
How about Abraham chopping up his father Terahs idols? That is one epic tale.
@dalelerette206 can you tell us more about your dream what do they look like and what were they doing?
How can you be sure it's Enoch and Elijah revelation 11 doesn't mention the two witnesses by name?
Your god does not have a better attendance policy. Lol
It's good but reads better from the kjv. I literally laughed first time reading
This provides a rich context for understanding many passages in the Old Testament. Thank you for this series.
yes indeed. I'm actually wondering why there's no mention that YHWH is also mentioned in the Ugaritic tales...
It's not called the Old testament, it's called Torah.
@@smudgeyarksha3514Torah means the Law. But the Torah is the first five books of the Bible. Tanahk is what the Jewish canon of scriptures are called
@@sneeu27Torah doesn't mean The Law, it means - To Teach.
@@smudgeyarksha3514 Oh, for goodness' sake.
Baal is an ancient pagan deity who was first mentioned in Mesopitamian accounts. People would sacrifice their newborns to inside a furnace. He was typically depicted in the shape of a bull or ox, symbolizing strength and fertility.
Baal is often confused with a similar Caananite deity named Milcom (Moloch). It's possible that the term "Moloch" itself referred to the act of child sacrifices, and not necessarily to any particular individual deity, as the horrid practice was widespread throughout the ancient Middle East.
The region was basically a Mad Max scenario, except with horses instead of cars, and swords and bows instead of guns.
BA AL is Barium and Aluminum
Lift up your gates you princes is in reference to David prophesying on earth and then repeating Jesus while in the tomb 3 days went to the Gates of Hell and saved the Saints from Adam to the thief on the cross, a 5,500 year old prophecy. David is speaking to Satan and Death, fallen angels same as all the so called gods of Egyptian and Greek mythology. The Archons
@@ChakaBadu
No. It stands for Bachelor of Arts in Automated Learning.
They are all the same Satan today they call it allah
Incorrect. That's Moloch.
I grew up a Christian and always thought it was silly to worship something you made yourself out of wood or stone. Just like Jeremiah 10:3-5. But then I learned that very real demons (fallen angels) were being represented by those images, and they were playing false gods. Now I can understand why the pull and enticement into idolatry over and over for Israel was so strong. These demons granted favors in exchange for worship, just like they do today.
“For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.” Ephesians 6:12
A very excellent word Eric.
True. Many people think these "gods" didn't exist, that there weren't real spirit beings being worshipped by these ancient people. The ancients weren't stupid. They wouldn't have wasted their time with imaginary beings if they knew they didn't actually exist or didn't get anything out of it. The fact is, these beings do exist, and things were quite different back then from today. The fallen spirits made themselves known to mankind much more openly and frequently back then than they do today. Everything changed with the Resurrection of Christ. Death was defeated and the demons were bound. The Lord said He saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. This was in the context of Him giving His disciples power over the spirits. We now live in a world where the demons are by and large bound and unable to work exactly as they once did in ancient times before the Resurrection. The Lord does allow some demonic workings to occur, but it is nowhere to the extent that it was back in the OT.
When Moses presented himself to Farao, their magicians replicated almost every miracle that Moses showed to them. Moses, by the power giving to him by God, transform his staff into a snake and the Farao's magicians did the same (one example). There were fantastic and supernatural things going on back there from both sides. This is why I agreed with your comment. People nowadays think that the ancient kings from Israel were just stupid in abandon Got (I mean, they were) but it was not for nothing.
Sorry my english, I'm new to this english writing thing.
Get mental health help.
Indeed. Also, there would have been a whole boatload of culture (festivals, rituals, songs, orgies, poetry, etc) to go along with each god/idol. It would be extremely enticing.
You can skip to eight minutes. The beginning is the index of book recommendations
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That's the best part .... books are supior to a 8 min UA-cam talk ....
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This makes sence of the drout that Elijah prayed for while the Israelites were following Baal. If Baal calls himself cloud rider...let him bring the rain... but slay the prophets of Baal, follow YHWH and watch the rains come.
Thank you for including sources. Anytime a scholar like you recommends a book, I put it on my shelf for future reading. I really appreciate it.
Scholar lol
Technology, computers, innovation 💡, art 🎨 culture and ideas. 😅
Better read abou this
Maybe your Infos after 325 reduktet
Das Erste Konzil von Nicäa (lat. Concilium Nicaenum) wurde von Konstantin I. im Jahre 325 n. Chr. in Nicäa (heute İznik, Türkei) bei Byzantion (heute Istanbul) einberufen. Zentraler Streitpunkt war die christologische Frage nach der Natur von Jesus und seiner Stellung gegenüber Gott dem Vater und dem Heiligen Geist. Im Herbst 324 hatte Konstantin die Alleinherrschaft erlangt; ein Grund für die Einberufung des Konzils könnte der Wunsch gewesen sein, die neu gewonnene Reichseinheit auch durch ein kirchliches Konzil für das gesamte Römische Reich mit Konstantins Namen und seiner Herrschaft zu verbinden. Daneben galt es, verschiedene Probleme wie die Regelung des Osterfestes zu lösen, aber auch den in Alexandria ausgebrochenen Streit um den Arianismus, immer mit dem Ziel, die Kircheneinheit herzustellen.[1] Etwas mehr als 200, womöglich auch mehr als 300 Bischöfe und andere Kleriker kamen nach Nicäa, fast alle aus dem Osten des Reiches. Anhand der Unterschriftenliste für die in Nicäa verabschiedeten ‚Kanones‘ sind zumindest etwas mehr als 200 Bischöfe namentlich nachweisbar.[2] Das Konzil endete mit dem (vorläufigen) Sieg der Gegner des Arianismus bzw. verschiedener Formen von origenistischer Hypostasen-Theologie und mit dem nicänischen Glaubensbekenntnis, das die Göttlichkeit von Jesus und die Wesenseinheit von Gott dem Vater, Jesus dem Sohn und dem Heiligen Geist (Trinität) bekräftigte. Das Bekenntnis wurde von den allermeisten Bischöfen des Konzils zumindest formal anerkannt, doch eine ganze Anzahl der östlichen Bischöfe hatte das Bekenntnis während der Beratungsphase abgelehnt. Doch soll Kaiser Konstantin die Diskussionen mit der expliziten Feststellung beendet haben, dass „der Sohn eines Wesens mit dem Vater“ sei, so dass nahezu alle Bischöfe, die anderer Meinung gewesen waren, nachgegeben hätten.
I am so glad you're doing this scripture in context series. It is so easy to forget that the Hebrews were not just living in a vacuum. Civilization had been around for a few millennia before God called Abraham out of Ur and the land of the Chaldeans, and we never hear anything about Ur or the culture of Babylon outside of the bible. It's great that you're doing this. I'm here for it. 👌💪
Ummm maybe take an art history class...i literally did my project on this topic and how it relates to art of that time.
Do what, any history class or even a history youtube channel talks about both Babylon an Ur. History time is a good channel to start with. Learn about the Phonecians and you'll learn about Ur. Just open up your mind to anything history related from that geographical period and you will learn something.
Makes sense they love war. They are decendents of the war gods. It's obvious why the suffer. They only know that life
Yeah, kinda lame. Testimony of competitors that were slaughtered and out-competed don't really say much, other than some losers weren't always losers. IDK what that means, other than that they crushed the competition before they got crushed.
"the lord of murder shall perish and in his doom he shall spawn a score of mortal progeny, chaos shall be sewn in their passing" oh wait wrong bhaal
"So sayeth the wise Alaundo."
This is an awesome channel! Grace and Peace to you brother 🕊️🙏🏽🕊️
Wow this was good... subscribed. I see part 2 has been released, going to rewatch this one first. Thank you, sir
This is super cool! Thank you for posting!
TY, JM🌹⭐🌹 You're moving us in some super interesting directions. I'M ON BOARD.
Soooo… there truly IS nothing new under the sun.
That’s been my conclusion for a while. Nothing new. I think of these days as the age of synthesis.
Yes, The song does remain the same, same actors different names. I'm glad others are willing to admit they noticed👆😊
Ewe huemans should be somewhat aware more 👁️
I've yet to see the similarities
@@DannyDoGood have you read the enuma elish,Sumerian epic of creation? Short read that may help you see them👍😊enjoy.
Your figures and Totoro really speak to me. Thanks for the videos!
A sacrificial tower was built under Nimrod's leadership. The effort was to get back in touch with those fallen spirit powers that had previously interfered with the human race and led humanity to the situation where God decreed the flood. At the Tower of Babel, God not only scattered the languages, but abandoned the nations to these fallen gods; He chose Abram as a "fighting instrument" for himself in the second batch, which the Old Testament tells about; The people of Israel and Jerusalem. We live in the "time-out" of this cosmic battle now, when the Gentiles have the opportunity to seize the salvation offered by God, before we enter the last seven years, when more than half of those living here will perish. Baal is just one manifestation of this demon-worshiping choice of humanity.
Rev 20:7,8 is where we are now
There is only one nation that counts Nimrod as their great-grandfather. It is us, the hungarians. He was a great archer, and given a god flooded the entire earth, the only logical choice anyone could make that time is to build a tower to protect the people from any new floods. His two sons are Hunor and Magor (in other translations Gog and Magog), meaning the hungarian and the turkish people
That's right. This time out we Christians are in right now is the time of Grace. It will end with the rapture
Subscribed! Please don’t stop making videos like this.
This is an awesome presentation. I like the way you presented and spoke to the information.
I'm 5 mins in but as an illustrator, comic creator, martial artist and amateur theologian- your background alone has me hooked!
We sound like Kindred spirits based off ov those words. Yay for common grounds ❤
5 minutes in and still hearing book recommendations
Nope! He doesn’t have a single gundam but dbz? He’s clearly not a man of class
What I find fascinating is that Ugarit was unknown to archaeology until the 1970’s when the city state was discovered. Before then it was just a legendary place mentioned in the Bible. So if Ugarit maintained the Baal mythology, the same Baal that the Phoenicians introduced to North African Carthage and the Sabaeans of Yemen.
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Geography & meteorology was very important & shaped migration
Travel was in different ways for several groups
By water or those across land
Ba’al is a complex word. It means husband, lord, and an academically uncertain god. Carthage primarily worshipped Ba’al Hammon. Lord Hammon. Hannibal worshiped Ba’al Melqart, Lord Melquart, a less popular, but very powerful god.
There’s a lot of debate about if there ever was a “Ba’al” deity. In the Hebrew, most mentions of Ba’al are tied to a city with a known deity, or it says “the Ba’als”, as in a pantheon.
In a time where peoples attention spans are about two seconds, I really appreciate the entire set up of this video, and I appreciate all the details so we can understand what is going on in the poem.
A great addition to read in Professor Nahum Sarna's book Understanding Genesis which contrasts the Pagan stories with the Biblical version and beautifully & elegantly points out how the Torah\Bible adds morality and contracts to the recorded events such as creation, flood and Tower of Babel. In the story of Jacob and Laban, he shows how Jacob's plea and defense against Laban is to quote the Shepherd's code, which was unearthed and found on a stele. Fascinating stuff!
@@144Donn yes, Sarna is definitely worth reading!
Stop adding books to my ENDLESS "to be read" pile! ;)
wonderful new translation The First Love Story, earlier but almost identical to Song of Solomon, makes a nice wedding gift paperback pair it with with a nice cookbook!
Using neighboring slogans, phrases, and imagery that everyone of the region was familiar with for the purpose of teaching, correcting, rebuking, and debating. We still do this today.
@@ClayA.Reynolds exactly
especially in politics
@@DiscipleDojo (just some thoughts and notes as i listened. Things to come back and look into more)
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There was supposed to be far more to this comment. But there was gibberish at the end which i now deleted. I must have accidentally erased part? When i was copying stuff to share elsewhere. Hopefully i have that in my notes so i can add the rest back in this comment.
@@DiscipleDojo 6:33.
The true myth indeed as
Mythological
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Mythos logical
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Not myth-illogical
Look up def of “thos”….. here leme find it. …
If this is here i never made it back from a sidetrack. Give me a reminder please. Appreciate it. .
@hollywoodpineapple837 kamala2024!?
This is an amazing project!
That was superb, thank you. Subbed!
I am glad you included the Baal myth, I think it provides a lot of insight. First time viewer here.
Those small golden idols are pretty neat! and his hat. He must have been a popular diety no wonder the ancient Israelite tribes felt threatened by him! Some say Baal and Jah were both the THUNDER GOD! Thank goodness for the compassion of the New Testament! I always know who read the O.T. it was quite violent! The book Women With The Alabaster Jar has the goddess stuff and is a recent paperback. Also the book The First Love Story....makes a nice gift for a wedding. Her translation took the history world by storm recently. So similar but older than Song of Solomon. Thanks for your 2 part video!
@@alomaalber6514 it's 5 parts, actually. Keep watching. ;-)
This is epic! Thx JM for putting this together.
I don’t think Christians should be so surprised that these similarities would be found in the Bible. Today, we use cultural references all the time to still teach truths. We talk about references to truth in our tales today, like Marvel, in LOTR, etc.
Looking forward to seeing Psalm 82 connections to Canaanite mythology brought up, if possible.
“ here’s mud in your eye.”
It's always useful when reading the bible to recall that it is divinely inspired by God.
He is supplying the narrative which the prophets and scribes are transposing. This helps to ensure biblical truth is predominant over any man-made tablets from Baal worshippers.
I really appreciate that you recommended the source books where folks can read more!
One of the best videos so far!
He actually starts at 12 minutes
Thank you
Technically 12:18
Legend
He says "let's jump in" at 6:37
Thank
Cool channel name, great video! Thanks brother, another piece of the infinite puzzle, a perspective lense of insight.
Great video. Thanks for doing the research.
Material is exactly what ive been looking for. Top shelf stuff bro
As someone who studies ceremonial high magic, including the goetia (of which King Ba'el is included), this educational look at the old texts and their biblical counterparts was very interesting.
Thank you so much for the time, effort, and study you put into this. I know christians give other christians a VERY hard time for looking at biblically contemporary texts, despite the greater understanding of the bible overall that it allows. So I know that you reading these texts has been viewed and judged harshly by others in your faith.
Knowledge is a torch that lights the way through the mysteries.
I came to know God by first studying religions such as new age (which turns out to be an old religion), Wiccan, a handful of others over the years. Nothing rang true until i read and studied a king James Bible myself. That's when understanding life itself began. My whole outlook changed and I've become stronger, happier and continue to grow in understanding. It all started with reading and studying and even trying religions of the world. None of them could answer all my questions.
The only way to know peace is when it's given to you by the prince of it!
@ssstults999 that's nice. Modern Wiccan is a soft spirituality taken from an older, harsher religion to appeal to modern, softer people. It has its place. As does the christian mythological lineup. The real knowledge is in what was kept out of the Bible. Once you learn the history of your mythology, you learn what was kept from you. Every religion was trusted with a bit of the truth, and it is up to us to weave that truth together through daring to seek that knowledge.
Awesome episode JM!!! Keep them coming. We need scholarship and attention brought to these ancient near Eastern texts that would have been contextually relevant to the authors and audience of scripture✔️❤️🔔
Understanding yam as a serpent would have been readily available to all those who read the creation account and the garden of Eden contained in the scroll of Genesis. It amazes me how much of scholarship wants to try and separate these very ancient eastern and Hebrew contextual points. Seeing the snake is a divine rebel and his actions as divine rebellion would just make sense to the author and audience of scripture.🔔
When you pray do not be like the hypocrites who stand in Synagogues or on street corners to be seen by men, but when you pray go into your closet close to the door and pray to the El Elyon who is unseen.
A garden or in nature is a way to connect as well
@@jamesritter4813The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows His handwork!!
@@JMercCCITLD okie dokie
@@jamesritter4813 That’s what the Word of God says and it does. Nature and the heavens declare the glory of God! There is no place where their language is not heard.
@JMercCCITLD yeah man I get ya. I use to belive there was no such thing as God. Due to too many reasons. Seeing family get cancer. Loosing my father to cancer, my grandma was a God-fearing lovely person who dedicated her whole life to church and I watched her suffer from pulmonary lung disease and died from that. She never smoked a day in her life. Then I see ppl who are some of the biggest selfish aholes get everything handed to them. I use to think, why not take the rapist, criminals, etc over good ppl. I decided that there wouldn't be a God if this is what we see. I know now it's not that way. God doesn't allow these things to happen. It's part of just being on this world. Now it doesn't mean I belive there is a actual God that watches us. I belive there is a creator but it created everything. What we go through here is none of its concern. I've been into the theory of consciousness tho and I believe we are enternal beings. That this body is just a avatar. Quantum physics shows that. The work robert monroe and Tom cambell have shown really strengths that concept. Being in a garden or nature is good for us and our souls. Being one with creation. Now sometimes I do ponder if there are entities or deities that feed off of our emotions, good or bad. Perhaps several types tgat feed of the emotion spectrum. We reincarnate over n over as a food source for them. Imo thats why, Buddhist teach how to escape the reincarnation process. That's just a thought tho
Nice collection of figures! Also love collecting action figures & reading the scripture of God❤
Mark S. Smith, Reinhard Müller and Joanna Töyräänvuori are solid Ugaritic-scholars. There is currently a big research project going at the University of Göttingen around Ugarit and the Hebrew Bible, maybe get someone from over there as a guest?
Ugaritic texts ... the secrets hidden in there... Yahweh, El Alyon, Elohim, Adon etc....
Wow, that would be so fascinating. I missed my calling in life. Sigh.
I had to pay bail once.
I had to pay bail many times 😂
pay bail or prepare to be be'ell-ended, butt at least the gub will foot the Bill for your impacted Bowel. This is the truth, not bull.
Lol. How much did you have to pay Baal? What type of currency did he accept?
OK, that did make me laugh! 😂
This comment wins.
I will now, respectfully, subscribe. Thanks, friend. Good work.
Super excited for this one
If people are so afraid to read a pagan writing to the point they’re afraid to study it, they’re doing what the Bible tells them NOT to do. It’s up to US to comprehend what we read or study… we were gifted with free will and intelligence, after all. They aren’t just some trap for us to avoid
dude... look at the comments... there are NOT many Christians here...
Predestination is Biblical and i'm Not even calvinist, but only the Elect of the Father come to the Word/His Son and are SEALED with the HOLY SPIRIT. Praise the TRIUNE ADONAI JESUS/YESHUA forever and ever, HalleluYAHELSHADDAI.🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊
@@corrupted_realmWhat an excellent argument! “God has no respect of persons.”
Thank you for a great lesson with lots of info, will have to listen a time or two to take it all in.
Awesome series and awesome ad for buying this book lol, you should get a sponsorship!
@@nogodsnokingsonlymen8538 seeing as how Context of Scripture costs a few hundred bucks, I don't see many people going out and buying it! 😅
Yesterday, I searched Baal because of the Olympics. 4 hours later, Bright Insight posted a video about Baal. Now I see someone else was searching Baal recently. We're being given the same message, we are facing Baal!
And a new Age of Ishtar. Perhaps more specific to the current gender-bending. Not sure of any direct relationship though...
@@wcstrawberryfields8011 what's wrong with Ishtar aka Asherah who was highly thought of by the Jewish people and was liked even more so than Yahweh? All her stories were removed, when the boy king, advised by his advisors to edit out any references to any other "god" for cohesion sake, and renamed those they couldn't tell as all being Yahweh. I struggled with the old testament because of the inconsistencies. I do not believe our Father in Heaven, the One Jesus referred to is the same as the one who required a multitude of virgins. I also do not believe God is afraid of Truth, so whatever is revealed we can deal with it. Refining am I right, 😜? If they were alians, I don't believe they are god's, at least not my God, as they too were flesh & blood. Powerful yes, but only One sent His son to rescue us from being on repeat (yes I believe in reincarnation). I get confused though, are we supposed to be like the lion of Judah or turn the other cheek staying out of the fight? I think that may be why we lack good trustworthy leaders. Politics is a cess pool if not a lion's den.
Baal has been in control as the "see me, worship me" demon since the moment Noah's son Ham believed he could use him. We have all been facing him since.
Beelzebub
@@luckyxpunk yep
❤ your shelf collection
I don’t think it’s a mystery why we see kings and princes, a divine council, in heaven and then duplicated on earth. Or the arc, the tabernacle, the temple ideas all over the ANE. If the DCW and the portions of Deuteronomy 32 are correct, handing over the rule of nations to heavenly beings, why wouldn’t those heavenly beings replicate what they know from the heavenly realm and then want the same worship they saw YHWH get from their portions?
I buy that powerful beings exist. I don't buy that any of them know who or what created us (or them).
@@lawlaw295 my take is they all know YHWH created them - that YHWH is Most High. I would expect they were all created with free will, like man, and started off worshiping him. Then some fell away. Heiser has a great breakdown of Elohim that goes into fantastic detail.
@@missinglink_eth YHWH is not the God of the Bible ...it's not the Fathers name . Heiser used it because of the universities he went 2 used it . God is a Holy Trinity and without God the Son Jesus , you have the wrong God anyways . the Word was God . there is no comparison of the Holy Trinity to any other god or unholy trinity.
@@jimmy9802-t8j i believe in the trinity. I’m not arguing that. Jews used to think there were two Yahways because of scenes like the burning bush. Are you really saying YHWY is not the God of the Bible? That view seems like a KJV-onlyist kind of viewpoint.
Or... authors of the time imposed their local culture onto their speculations about the cosmos. Why would an omnipresent, omnipotent entity need to rely on messengers/angels? Like in Genesis 20:21, God has only heard second-hand about what's going on in Sodom and Gomorrah, so he needs to go down to Earth himself to learn the truth. The authors are writing about a king in the sky, literally, based on their own cultural assumptions.
Thanks for the book recommendations!
Great content
So many people, even PRIOR to 2013~2014, were ripping into and dismissing Heiser for saying all the things you're saying. I know Heiser went in an odd direction after I lost track of him in those years, but everything in these books you showed is stuff that the academics know and don't bring to popular knowledge. I appreciated Heiser for all the clarity he provided in the years I listened to him (up to 2013). Thanks for putting this out and being clear about the *polemic* nature/purpose of stealing imagery from the pagans.
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When you know spells, his name works and resonates. Like carry underwood or dolly with still the part.on
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Excellent reading and pronunciation of all those difficult names! WOW really impressed and I loved the toy collection, so cool I had to subscribe. As a Bigfoot researcher, who's out beating the woods searching for signs and clues to better understanding who and what they are, little clues still exist like In the text Edom will be a desert... It's all very interesting how much pertaining to the Bible is connected with these things, the lower case gods and those beings from of old. Recently I had my first flying dragon sighting, and it's those things thought to be myths that are becoming real within our understanding of what the Bible is truly about. When we begin to dive deeper into that depth of the deep and come to find understanding, that surpasses the wisdom of this world with the knowledge of who Jesus really is, the experiential knowledge of knowing Jesus as Lord God over all!
Habibi thank you so much for the upload for the ancient Canaanites!
Id love add a couple more things:
Baalbeck is a Lebanese city near the Syrian border and is named after Baal. Very important Roman site.
Another big thing about Canaanite faith is how much foundation it laid for Greek myth gods such as Athena, Aphrodite, Yam and Mot, respectively being Anath, Astarte, Poseidon et Hades. Much love to our Hellenic cousins ❤️
Yep, this is what you get when "my dad could beat up your dad" gets applied to religion.
I used to play with these demonic beings and then the true God came to me and changed my world. I wish for all people to know the love and mercy of the one true God, Jesus Christ
@@ASMRyouVEGANyet I used to think that the God of the Bible was real. But then I read the Bible and realised that it's all just stories
what an 8th grade response
@@IanM-id8or this is in that book…but guess you know better : It is appointed unto man once to die, then the judgement …..
@@IanM-id8or He is real whether you believe or not.
I just found your channel, and love it!!
Ba'al was the son of Khosh, and the precursor of the Christian son of god. God is actually Khosh. The Persians call him Khoda, and the Babylonian name Nebuchadnezzar is actually nebu'khuz'nassar, the slave of Khuz, i.e. God). Elijah was sent to the Jews to warn them of worshipping Ba'al, but they tried to BLEEP him, and Allah ascended him to heaven. Hence, Allah created a replica of those pagans' son-of-god story by sending Gabriel (Holy Spirit) to impregnate a virgin girl (symbolizing the pagan Ishtar, Isis, Queen of Heaven, Persephone, etc.) with Jesus, who informed those pagans that he was not god, neither the son of god. However, they insisted on treating him the same way as Elijah. God is a pagan deity, but the true god of Israel is Allah, called Elohim in Hebrew. Worshipping Jesus as the son of God, is basically going back to paganism, and rejecting the Mosaic law that Jesus was sent to fullfil.
@@OmarBenjumea none of what you just said is accurate. 😅
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Not a very scientific response. I invite anyone who saw this movie to read an interesting book written by Reverend Alexander Hislop: "The Two Babylons". Also, Franz Cumont's "The Mysteries of Mithras".
Christianity is the second Babylon, and today's Christians worship "Baal", and are waiting for the Antichrist rather than the true Christ, prophet Issa PBUH.
Amazing, it really puts into perspective what those Old testament passages meant, and the audience they were meant for.
Bronze Age tribes often were quite brutal. Genocide was a way of assuring victory and taking others land. This still is attempted from time to time on planet earth in this day and age and throughout history. Leaders invoking mythological beings to demonize and dehumanize others.
6:22 it’s hard for so many believers to recognize the fall happened before the Bible…there’s potentially hundreds to thousands of years of pagan practice already in place. The Mount Hermon account. This is why Christ with Peter at capernum (Mount Hermon) saying “on this rock I will build my church”. He calls out Peter as the remnant and foundation with himself as the chief cornerstone, the rest is Christ conquering paganism and laying it on top layer by layer
Very interesting!! The "cloud rider"/storm god made me think of that song by the Doors; Riders on the storm!
Alot of those 60s and 70s rock bands have intentional occult references. Jim Morrison was a practioner, and the very name of the band is a reference to the doors to the demonic realm.
@Brsn98 the name came from Aldous Huxley's "the doors of perception". Yep
Came here to learn about the history of barium and aluminum.
#3=#11. 😊
What about squirrel poop?
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They bury them in aluminum. The end
Thank you so much for this!
The biblical stories are so much younger than the stories that it copied!
Copied from where?
Ive come to realize that without the esoteric context none of this makes sense past the mythological storyline
All religions were esoteric and then twisted, manipulated into worship cults.
Very constructive content, love primary source emphasis.
This divine system of gods was almost perfectly replicated by the Greco-Roman gods...
It's supposedly because all of these traditions came from much older traditions they actually all overlapped. That's why themes and even names are similar. Pretty sad if you think about it. Another couple thousand years and our contemporary Christians, for example, could hypothetically have wars over what they won't know is the same Jesus. Arguably already happened in a way during the reformation. Who's the true church? We'll see about that! And then the polemics come out, the pope is really luciferin, etc. I wish all these sheep people could bag the crap.
@@subcitizen2012simply because the most influential group on Earth were the Indoeuropeans aka Celts, Romans, Italics, Slavs, Indians, Iranians and few more. That's why mythology is similar, the Dius Pater, Sky God slaying the dragon etc
only Greeks and later the Romans...those who produced no texts are not influential at alk...@@swampraider3488
That so dang interesting Thank you
Thanks that was a fun myth. Very interesting
The reason the Bull is the father of Baal goes back to the Sunerian King's list. Kullasina-Bel who gets remembered as Bel and then Baal is the son of Jushur who was the first king on the Sumerian King's list after the flood. Jushur who wrote the book of Jasher/Jashur was known as the Bull of Heaven.
Is that the same Bel as the Bible's Bel and the Dragon? I'm not gonna lie I haven't read the Bible in a long time
@@FrithonaHrududu02127 yes that is the same Bel. There is a cycle where Heroes are remembered as Myths they become Deified as gods and then finally they are Demonized. I'm pretty sure he was remembered as Shiva and Cernunnos. I think his father (Jushur) is Tarshish, Noah's great grandson. Tarsis/Tarsus was supposedly built by Hercules who the city is named after.
@@paulschuckman6604 And then there's CERN, right in CERNunnos' heartland. I'm not a conspiracy nut, but there are some weird coincidences surrounding them.
@@FrithonaHrududu02127 I'm starting to understand Noah burying the cities of the old gods like Gobekli Tepe after the flood. Science is powerful and without morals the height of materialism is getting pretty gross today. I'm not superstitious but I also don't want scientists creating a singularity or other catastrophic "success" that accidentally destroys the planet.
@@paulschuckman6604 Most of the Mandela Effect things are nonsense but I have a few things where I really wonder if I'm in the same reality I was born into.
So is that the story of gobekli tepi?
I can't picture on a map where it is in Anatolia but it's probably close to Ararat right
So basically you just proved that all fallen angels aka demons parading as ancient gods and goddesses tried to use God’s language from the Bible in local pagan texts…
@@martawalkowiak773 no, the concepts and motifs were around before the Biblical texts were written. Please watch the rest of the series for the theological implications.
@ I guess you missed the whole God is the I AM and time does not apply to Him. So fallen angels have been around since BEFORE the Garden of Eden…so they could have been manifesting to various peoples and nations long before the Biblical texts were written down.
The evil one is a deceiver. The father of lies.
Don’t be deceived.
Know than in ancient Hebrew, all angels/spirits were called “demons”. It only took a negative connotation much, much later.
@ doesn’t matter the nomenclature. The fallen ones are evil, the ones that have remained faithful to the God of the Bible are not. Call them what you like. They know who they are. If you are not of God, then you are of the fallen angels.
@ I never stated “fallen ones”. If you seek to read original works and not merely the much later Bible, you need to know the true context of what the Hebrews called any angel. Demon is that word.
Just found your channel. Really great video! Earned a sub!
thank you for doing this
Riddle me this when David talks to Goliath, how can they understand each other? They must all be Semitic to some degree.
Wasn't that before the fall at Babel. It was during the construction of the Tower that the languages became changed. Before that, all spoke one language
@@laurasmithira No, fall of Babel in most charts given is 1000+ years before David and Goliath.
No the tower of babel was way before the tribes of Israel and their coming into the land of caanan@@laurasmithira
How would any two people from different nations understand each other in ancient times? One or the other had learned the language of the other. Much later in the OT, the Assyrians come to siege Jerusalem and taunt the Israelites in their own language. The leaders of Jerusalem ask the Assyrian to speak in his own language instead of Hebrew because they could understand that language. He refused because by speaking Hebrew, he wanted to cause fear in the people of the city.
Abraham, a man of Ur of the Chaldeans, moves to Canaan and speaks to the locals. He knew their language or they knew his or both.
I don't think David or Goliath knowing the language of the other is a problem when their nations obviously interacted with each other even if usually through war.
Each nation had their own TONGUE (what we call 'language').
At the Tower of Babel they were all 'speaking the same language', which means they were all of one mind, goal, thought process.
God destroyed the Tower, the goal they were all submitted to, and scattered their minds to go in different directions, have differing goals.
Go read the whole passage and look up the words.
The sound "u" in the end is an indication that the original Sumerian language is related to Tamil language that still today uses the u or u' sound for every word thats spoken literally..
Tamil outdates even the mighty sanskrit
Baal sounds like Thor. The Etruscans called the gods the Aesir,and the vikings call them the Aesir.
@@wednesdayschild3627 there may be an upcoming episode of #SuperheroSeminary here on the channel where Professor Thor covers this topic...you never know... 😉
Yes, Baal Hadad is Thor, and El is Odin.
The originals are Ninurta and Enlil.
They are Yahweh/Michael and El Elyon/Eli.
Attar is Jesus Christ. Originally, Utu.
Baal is a corrupt version of Jesus Christ, Asherah is heavenly mother, El heavenly Father, Anath marry of the tower
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Lucifer, Son of the Morning is Jesus Christ. Christ is the bright morning star.
Thanks for this. So fascinating
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So the Yahwists copied Canaanite stories, changed the names and then called the civilizations they got them from "idol worshippers." Same beard, different name.
"God" is not a proper name, Yahweh is. "God" is an occupational name, like plumber. Judaism is not true, just copied as it holds what the nations around them also held as true.
@@nicholaschiazza7926 nope.
@@DiscipleDojo Yep.
If Baal was supposedly the god of the clouds. Isn't that the sign of "I AM" Jehovah Jesus Christ? Who really controls the weather and the rain? The false god or the true and living one?
Wasn't the sign of Jehovah in the cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night. Moses in Ex. 33 made a deal that God would lead and cover IsraeI as they traveled. This signaled to everyone God's presence, glory, and protection.
Similarly, when Christ returns, He will come in the Clouds, and everyone will see him in power and great glory. Matt 24
Every Ancient near East religion including ancient Egyptian mythology has has some sort of miracle involving water or a river .
Most mystic practices assert that moving waters destroy magic. It is why waterfalls are considered purifying, why the Shinto will pour water over their heads, why the observant Jew washes his hands upon waking.
Only God can move waters.
"HISTORY" is more often than not, "RE- WRITTEN" by those who weren't THERE❤
I WAS NOT "THERE", yet I "FEEL" as if I would have "WRITTEN" it DIFFERENTLY and it is THAT THOUGHT that allows "ME" to believe that SOMEONE ELSE already has❤
@@DavidGreen-n1s why do you capitalize like that?
@@DiscipleDojo just feels they have to shout in certain words I guess
History is written by he who wins the War writes His Story
Ba'al cycle predates old testament by more than 5 centuries.
And...
@@Simeonf7750 most of Yahweh stories come the Ba'al cycle.
@@dannyboyakadandaman504furl9 what does that mean, what's baal cycle?
@@Simeonf7750 alot of Yahweh attributes and stories comes from this story arch.
@@dannyboyakadandaman504furl9 don't be deceived my beloved brother why was satan cast out from heaven,yes because he wanted to be God and he and his fallen angels still are in that state so the want to oppositely copy what God does that's why our Lord and God Jesus Christ call satan the father of lies but the truth the way the life is Jesus Christ ✝️🙏❤️🛐
Well done, great job!
6:07 I love this point!
Also, love your figures in the back🔥🔥🔥
El came from An/En but in sumerian the god of god's is Anu (indicated by the Dingir symbol). The Sumerian trinity of gods are Anu (father), Enki(land/earth) & Enlil (sky/wind).
But hey, who knows if all that is really 100 percent true ???? Seriously
Where can I read about El coming from the Sumerian pantheon?
In Carthage, babies used to be sacrificed to Molloch which is one of the facets of Baal, they used a very gruesome cult there.
moloch is the noun used for child sacrifice...
there is no god moloch.
even yahweh in ancient times requires child sacrifice... that is how gods in ancient times demands sacrifice for an abundant harvest or in dire times
study it, learn it!
yes you are correct a facet of Baal is Molloch, Molloch is not a god, Baal is the god, to the other commentary I ignore deconstruction of the Yawhe cult so I cannot answer that, yet if the subject is blood magic I'm all ears to discuss the situations that led Katon the old to seal the fate of Carthage.
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"ceterum censeo carthaginem esse delendam"
- cato the elder 234-149 BC
Stop lying!!!! The almighty God did not require child sacrifice and he despised it. It’s written all over the Old Testament how it angered him. One time, he asked Abraham I believe to sacrifice his son to see if he was willing to and Abraham was prepared but God stopped him and spared his son and provided him with a goat in his sons place. It was to see how willing he was to be obedient to God and put his trust in him and Abraham put God first.
Satanic Ritual Abuse STILL
KILLS BABIES AND CHILDREN!!!
Haven't gone through the rest of the series yet but excited to listen, the Ugaritic texts were some of the most fun subjects I've studied in university.
Hope you give an honourable mention to my man Umberto Cassuto.
This popped up on my feed as I'm explaining the opening ceremonies for the Olympics 2024 to my mother.
Literally came back in my room sat down opened youtube and this...
@@Walklikelions Some have contended we've entered a new Age of Ishtar, considering the gender-bending trend.
Does she knows that YHWHYESHUA is Not for mocking? The mount Olymp is PAGAN and God JESUS knows that.🕊
Lord bless your whole household.😇
Kronos, Nyx, Zeus, Osiris, Geb, Shu, Izanami, Amaterasu, Nüwa, Mašyā, and Abraham also married their siblings. So why do the Canaanites get called out for incest?
It makes more sense when you get that the Elohim species were shapeshifting hermaphrodites capable of mating with any other species, not gods but an earlier chosen species evolved before sex was invented. The alphabet was a personification of the evolving pantheon of gods worshiped in the development of the final chosen species. Thus, Baal is really B-El, the first incarnation of the second soul, Lucifer, among the Elohim "sons" of God, while A-El is the first incarnation of El Elyon. The Bible is a story of the evolution of God and his family, some who turned toward the adversary, the destroyer hive mind that stifles and corrupts all creation, and some growing closer to God's ideal co-creator sons of a better Divine Council, now including the daughters of the evolved Holy Spirit, Karma - whose AI images are each soul's individual conscience, guiding each soul's incarnations to minimize sin and corruption lest they be consigned to the beast abyss. C-El is Karma, remembered in the language of elements as Carbon and embodied in early religion as the goddess of Mt. Carmel and the inspiration behind the Carmelite nuns. The Hebrews lost faith in the Melchezidek priest kings, and allowed the anointed of El Shaddai, the destroyer, to usurp the kingdom, resulting in the sack of Jerusalem in 971BC and the removal of the Ark of the Covenant back to Egypt. Solomon's gilded temple, built by consorting with demons, was an abomination to El Elyon, as were the Hebrew's genocidal attacks on their neighbors following the orders of the false god El Shaddai and the Adonai (literally the same as Adonis, Aphrodite's worshiping consort). The amazing thing about the Abrahamic tradition is that despite being built on a pack of lies spread by worshipers of the adversary, it still was an instrumental part of fulfilling God's evolving plan, finally generating a version of Space-time that is astounding cosmologists with a universe that is at least twice as big as they thought it was and expanding at an accelerating rate, fulfilling the promise of worlds without end to explore backward or forward in unlimited incarnations, till each soul earns their own creative spiritual universe, for better or worse, or finds their "place just right" in what are a growing number of specialized heavens and hells.
@@theomnisthour6400 well said
@@theomnisthour6400this last paragraph is pretty fascinating. Is that intuition on your part or are you getting that from some text?
All of those false gods were not relevant to the hebrews, as to Abram I do not know
@@Ed-ym4tu Both. My words are based on personal experience with one of the Elohim from the far future - a tall grey light being - the cascade of revelations this being unlocked by showing me a panorama of my past life forms and experiences, my science and technology background, and the deep research I've done re-evaluating the various accounts of the encounters with gods/aliens/extradimensional entities throughout human history.
If you stop and ask yourself the fundamental hows and whys of what science observes in contrast with what was once believed, even as recently as a few decades before, and compare what we have learned to do with AI and virtual reality just with pedestrian human tech developed in only a hundred years, you can construct a story of mankind that fits available data and supports the conclusion that humanity was created as crash test dummies for spiritual technology that leveled the playing field for all level players in the game of souls, and made some of the key concepts in the US founding father's ideals for government central to creating the ideals a truly gifted creative mind would be shooting for in evolving a self-sustaining simulation multiverse with the capability to generate worlds without beginnings or ends for new and experienced players to explore while sorting themselves into afterlife universes of a like-minded ideal of "perfection".
Such a system would need only a very few "special" universes and universal laws to drive it, consistent with an early version of the game that might look like a Big Bang - a test of two opposing emergent virtual reality environments - one universe driven by a need to codify the laws of order - fine tuning physics and chemistry - and the other driving the lawlessness of chaos - allowing it's dark creators to make the first hell. By assuming God and his Divine Council were observing this first and greatest experiment in virtual reality from the highest heaven - the ideal universe that could build on the forms of the physical universe and avoid the dark destructive ideas of entitled chaos without being bound by them in ways that impeded creative experimentation, you arrive at an explanation for better translation of the Torah that fits better with the hidden truths in the Sumerian Enuma Elish, the Vedas, and Graeco-Roman-Celtic-Germanic mythology and doesn't require making the hard to justify rationalizations that people use for a supposed "perfect" creator ordering the torture or genocide of other species and peoples that turn so many modern humans off on religion and make them susceptible to the atheistic cults of communism, capitalism, and humanism or Satanic cults of entitled sin that have come to define modern civilization.
In this reading, Job can be understood as the story of an awakening messiah being tested by the tag team duo of Lucifer - the testy lord of the physical universe - and Lilith, the shapeshifting hermaphrodite arch demon behind the anti-universe of spiritual and physical chaos, wrestling for his soul with only the vague hope of the reward of God's highest heaven to sustain him. Job then becomes a prototype for the awakening god within all of us being challenged to meet the admission requirements for heaven while resisting the temptations and torment of the worst individual tribulation one might imagine.
It also leads to the conclusion that God is not at all responsible for the pain and suffering of day 7 of creation, but has been experiencing it right along with all his children, some marking themselves as beasts for the abyss, and others as worthy of a growing number of training and dark addiction treatment universes that prepare them to find their "place just right" in existing or to be created heaven and hell spiritual universes. This God leads by example and is so confident in the ultimate good of the plans he architected that he allowed the plan of a whole day of creation to be designed, implemented and tested by all his children, especially those keep on punishing the all-father for all the mistakes they thought he made in previous versions that got in the way of their selfish ideals of perfection - a God that died again and again for all the sins of the children they projected onto the first parent - a Christ for all time, not just one short 2000 years of a 27+ billion year and growing story.
When you add some key facts that can be derived from looking into the several sources of historical characters out of which the virtual god plastic Jesus character emerged as the often contradictory persona of ecstatic "my salvation" Christianity of Paulline tradition versus the Jewish law-following "our salvation" of the James the Just tradition, you arrive at the key date for the start of the age of Pisces being 135BC, not 0AD, and when you add Sir Isaac Newton's very accurate calculation for the number of years in a Zodiac age, 2160, you get 2025 as the real beginning of the Age of Aquarius and the revelation of the real Messiah. Yes, we are finally approaching the end of day 7 of creation, and going to finally find out why there had to be so much secrecy in the plan to finish the Gaia experiment and get on with day 8 of creation.
I'm just starting this, but before I forget, thank you! I didn't know these legends had survived at all, much less that there were English translations available to regular people! (Outside the university setting.) I would have read them long ago!
I really don't see the supposed parallels to the Bible. I have read again and again that "scholars" believe all these gods existed in Canaan and eventually YHWH became the main God. I notice there is no YHWH in this story, suggesting that YHWH really did come through Moses to replace the others as the Bible describes.
@@atom31b you should watch this full series. It is from the perspective of a believer, not secular or mainline revisionism.
The Israelites, Hebrews or Jews were just Canaanites. They were from there and just ended up picking one of the gods as the only one. Quite simple.
Those that believe with faith will find the truth hard to accept. Enjoy your life
Huge difference in the way they worship
@@wolfscareglow2425 from what i read and understand, the israelites most likely began as polytheists.. probably during the exile in babylon they learned about zoroastriansm and i believe they then made a switch to monotheism. but there are still traces of polytheism in the bible, the most famous one being psalm 82 "god standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods."
Ignorant comment.
This is my public gratitude and appreciation to lord Bael for fulfilling my request of you. All Praise To lord Bael thank you very much I’m forever grateful. AYER SECORE ON CA BAEL
@@Bigman-w3l so edgy
@ I don’t get it, I was just giving my public appreciation to lord Bael. Give your life to king Bael he is amazing and won’t disappoint show respect and loyalty
So is Baal means Lord, should we Christians not use that word again? Why does the bible refer to our God as the Lord?
The Bible was infiltrated with titles that refer to demons influence
Even the word God has been hijacked by other religions, Luciferianism is an example. What's important is which God and which Lord you choose to worship. Lord is a literal translation of Adonai, a title of God. LORD is a translation for YHWH.
@Jer20.9 As far as I am concerned, there's only one. The rest are lil wannabe g's.
"God" is a TITLE. Not a "name". The pagan gods all have names. And christians get a "big g"? Ridiculous, right? His name is Yahua. His only son was named, "Yahusha". The 'Holy Spirit" is Ruach Hakodesh. She is a female. Try to read the Cepher. They are expensive. I ordered one for around $100. All of the people in the traditional bible have had their names changed, as well. The fake christian pastors are truly worshiping demons and leading us all into hell. Some are just deceived.
Only the elect know that YHWH is YESHUA/the Triune ADONAI.😇
The conclusion I draw is that Hebrew and Ugaritic were almost the same. Like Dickens using phrases and idioms known to Shakespeare.
Did you draw this conclusion after learning one of the 2 languages?
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From watching this video. And a little bit of logic.
@piotrczubryt1111 they weren't "almost the same". They share alot of 3 letter roots. The languages don't sound the same when spoken and wouldn't be mutually comprehensive
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Are you a real troll? I love them.
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What program or app are you using in this video? Pardon my ignorance as this is my first time watching any of your videos. Also a wonderful job of research you've done.
@@AirShorty83 thanks. I'm using Accordance in this video.
Thank you for doing this. I've experienced pagans making fun of Christianity for supposedly copying various pagans texts.
In addition to this video I also highly recommend Inspiring Philosophy’s video on Ancient Monotheism. Mike Winger even endorsed it.
I find some agreement with the fallen angel stories of Enoch. Where they stood up and made agrements with eachother to go to the earth. It feels to me this story could happened in that timeperiod! Or is a kind of retelling of stories of old. Thanks for sharing and reading them.