This is FASCINATING! I now see why God sent a drought where neither dew nor rain entered the land of Israel leading up to the event on Mt Carmel because of their Ba'al worship. It was the Lord demonstrating power over the "cloud rider" and THEN the rain came down RIGHT AFTER Ba'al was humiliated by YHWH and Ba'al's "prophets" where unalived! This is simply fascinating depth of insight into one of my favorite periods in the Bible!
In my humble opinion, the more of these "myths" I come to understand, from all over the world, with all their many similarities & "mighty gods" & all their violence. I truly believe that they are ancient accounts of the Fallen Ones, or fallen Angels or Watchers, whatever you wish to call them...
Interesting to contrast Baal's demand for a "house of bricks" to YHWH's ambivalence to David's proposed "house of cedar" in 2 Sam 7/1 Chron 17 and Solomon's admission that his new temple can no more contain God's entire essence than can the very heavens and earth (2 Chron 6:18). The similarities of these mythological comparisons (Ras Shamra, Enuma Elish, etc.) with biblical texts are instructive, but the contrasts even more so--and, as I see it, even carry into the New Testament with Paul's statements on the heavenly powers in Ephesians 6, 2 Cor 10, etc., as the one true God exerts dominion over the would-be usurpers that have populated temples and altars since pre-history.
@@dannykoop exactly! The contrasts are FAR more profound than the similarities. Too many Christians dismiss it all, and thus end up missing out on significant Biblical teachings, such as your observation above. 👊
@@leodoamaral9359 It is pretty weird that he makes his figurines the focal point of every video. Pretty childish if you ask me. The content is decent in this series, but he's still a pretty immature Christian.
@@josephpchajek2685 that’s literally the point of reading these stories - to expound on them. And you take that as a sign of an immature Christian? Pray and examine your heart 🙏🏽
I'm not a religious person, much less an Abrahamist, but I am interested in ancient history, and I find your clear, well-researched exploration of the broader religious and cultural context in which Judaism developed to be fascinating. Thank you for this series.
@@MLHunt thanks for watching. DiscipleDojo tries to make biblical teaching and backgrounds accessible to any interested viewer, so I appreciate your comment very much.
@@DiscipleDojo The oldest story of all the world is getting "Barack" out of "America" so that the woman can emerge with a head of gold, chest of silver, belly of bronze, and legs of iron. And it's celebrated at the time of Ramadan. Beginning around Halloween the Muslims curse the Earth for 5 months prior to their special month in memory of the work of the hands. Job 34:19-20 “Who takes no partiality to princes? And no regard for the rich above the poor? They all must work with their hands; for, in one moment, death by division. The people will be shaken and pass away. Valiant and turned aside without hand.” Genesis 5:29 "Proclaim the name, "Noah," say, "this is our consolation, the flood by the deed worked by the toil of our hands," will arise from the ground, whom Yahweh has cursed?" Noah means "From the toil of thy hands, this same shall be comforter of." Genesis 11:5-6 “Yahweh, come down, to see the city’s brought down lifted up tower, which sons of men builded me. Yahweh utters, “Behold the one people, all the same language, and HERE are they begun to make accomplished, and, yeah, nothing which they purpose to make accomplished is inaccessible unto them.”” Ecclesiastes 7:27-28 ""To see to discovery, this," saith the Preacher, "you add one unto another, until you find the explanation: Who am I to seek? They seek to attain one man, out of the thousands, to attain the woman of the whole of mankind."" Revelation 9:20 "The remaining of mankind, who is not killed by these plagues, repented not of the works of their hands, in order that they might worship the demon, his image of gold, silver, brass, and petrified wood (the life inside the glorified shell), for I demonstrate power that he neither see, nor hear, nor walk." One would think if Russia was as worthless as Iran, then people would wish for things to get quiet, but no. Isaiah 45:16 “To shame and moreover humiliation unto all who engrave the idol. Walk together upon the reproach.” Job28:20-24 “Whence wisdom? And knowledge, unto who does it come? And where is the place of understanding? And it is concealed from the eyes of all of the living. Concealed from the birds of the heavens (fallen angels). Abaddon (The Destroyer or Apollyon) bringing death, saith, “we have ears to hear the report.” Elohim (God) discerns their ways; He knows where they stand. Look to the end of the Earth. See all under the heavens. He will impart the weight of the winds; meted waters by measures. Making a limit to rain, and from a far distance for the voice of Thunder. At that time see and relate, He established, and moreover stretched it out. To man utter, “Behold in fear, your lord,” for the wisdom will depart, evil has understanding.” Job 26:6 "naked death before Abaddon, and nothing shall cover them over." Job 26:13-14 “by his breath the heavens are cleared, his hand shall pierce BARACK, a serpent. Behold ALLAH the end of his ways. How? A whisper, a word, hear the strength and the thunder. Who can discern?” Job 39:23-27 “The quiver rattles above, the BARACK (internal heavenly spear - in ancient Hebrew "Barack") and javelin (Barack the human man). With shaking and rage he races over the ground (of Mt. Zion). He will stand the sound of the Trumpet (7th one). As often Trumpets uttered, “Aha!” He perceived the war from afar (he had to leave America and be at the top of Mt. Zion for this last trumpet); now Thunder his princes, “this is the war! Bring down understanding with your birds of prey, soar by the spread of wing of the South (Islam), for the mouth of the Eagle mount is exalted on a nest on high.”” The dumb Muslims hope he has strength dispite his reign in the USA over earlier that year as Joe Biden left. Ezekiel 1:13-14 “for the living being was like a consumed ember, a consumed vision upright, shall he walk among living beings, fiery and bright was Barack, he had come out of the consummation. The living beings ran to and fro before the vision of Barack.” The second body is worthless of Barack Hussein Obama. Where is the angelic being within? Isaiah 14:18-19 "All the kings of the Earth shall lie down in a manner most glorious, each in a tomb, yet you shall be cast out of a tomb. An abhorrent branch, clothed with the slain yet pierced by a sword. Kneel to the ROCK and descend in a pit to be trampled as a corpse." Job 40:2 “Will the one who strives within be with the Almighty? Let this reproving god answer.” Job 38:7 “Till the morning stars (fallen angels) sing together in their new form, then will the sons of God (believers in the power of the blood of Jesus, Yashu'a) shout for joy.” Jeremiah 25:33-37 “The slain of Yahweh, on that day, one extremity of Earth unto the other. Not one remaining to lament, gather, or bury. They will be like unto dung, on the face of the Earth. Wail shepherds and cry, wallow in ash (all limbs & wings removed), most beautiful of the flock (Satan - remember birds are a symbol of fallen angels). For these days of slaughter were for your dispersion to come out. And you fell out, the most desired of the vessels (Lucifer). There is no flight, for the perishing shepherds. No escape, most majestic of the flock. Hear the voice crying, shepherds? Wail unto the master of your flock. Yahweh has devastated the pasture. Complete the fold and be silent. For this is the fierce anger of Yahweh.”
@@DiscipleDojo I appreciate how you take the fearfulness out of biblically contemporary texts. I know that generally, a lot of christians are very fearful of anything that is not directly related to their particular religious book. I commend you for fueling your curiosity and seeking knowledge despite what is probably quite harsh judgement and criticism by those who supposedly share your faith.
Just truly informative! I have been studying for many years and I was aware that in Scripture, especially in the Tanakh, that pagan motifs were used by the writers to teach the people that the things ascribed to pagan gods were actually the traits, characteristics and power of Jehovah. However, I was not aware of the depth and expansion used. For example, we see the "window of heaven(s) " as a pagan expression of where the rain comes from in Gen 7:11, 8:2 and Mal 3:10. This is eye opening info and very helpful. It leads to more clarity when studying Scripture. I just came across this channel today and regret that it has been unknown to me for the last 25 years! Channels such as this and many others show that the only way to learn about Scripture, for the regular people, people who don't have the time required to learn Scripture on their own, that true learning doesn't come from the pulpits, but is found on UA-cam.
@@bobcorrigan5540 it CAN come from pulpits...but teaching allows one to go into more detail than preaching most of the time. I think both are necessary and serve partially overlapping functions. Glad you found the channel! Welcome to the Dojo!
It SHOULD come from the pulpit if they claim to be servants of Christ. Since it doesn’t and we get postmodern moralizing and rainbows instead….well you know, fruit and bearing and such.
In Norse mythology, and clearly a retelling of this story, Thor, the Norse storm god destroyed the Great worm/serpent. One can see similarities as well with Hercules fighting the hydra.
@@fargomonkey5133 yes, almost every ancient religion has a "hero vs. serpent" motif. To me that argues heavily for a shared primordial memory among humanity that is paradigmatic.
That is what I thought, too. I wonder how far people of that time traveled to trade, how many were displaced from other parts of the world; bringing their religions and myths with them.
All these stories r similar like how every culture has a flood story..i love this kinda i fo man feels like it fills in alot of gaps n makes my fsith even more real 2 me
Just found this channel this morning and when I seen Professor Aquaman I fell in love! This is incredibly helpful and down right awesome content. Thank you 👍🏼
Wow, that program you're using is cool! It's so helpful to read these texts side by side. I am re-reading the Old Testament, so this helps add context. What's interesting is how these texts read like the tales of the Greek & Roman gods, with these supposed deities being so fickle and angry and violent and always with the drama. Some of them seem like glorified people with super powers who are having a bad day. You don't know how they'll act from moment to moment. How different that is from the biblical texts that portray the true God as being separate, holy, pure, righteous, AND merciful! He is the same, yesterday, today, and forever. There is just no comparison. How I long for the day when He will return and FINALLY put all these "gods" and demons and whatever else under His feet, FOREVER!
Yes wine is very important to pagan religions, as a matter of fact: Halakha (Jewish law) mandates the use of wine in various religious ceremonies (such as sanctifying the Sabbath and festivals with wine at their start and conclusion, and at circumcision and at marriage ceremonies). The rabbis also prescribe wine for other central Jewish rituals: Kiddush, Havdalah, Passover, and so forth. And it's not just people - God also appreciates wine! Wine is poured out as a libation offering in the holy Temple. At the same time, Judaism recognizes critical dangers of over-consumption.
Honestly I don’t think it’s a sin to study mythology we just aren’t supposed to practice or give praise to the God or Gods of other religions/mythologies. And learning about Baal actually does help, because God was evolving the Hebrew Jews away from these sinful practices of human sacrifice and such on.
I feel like us as humans are susceptible to following what’s not right just due to our fleshly attributes. But one should always remember that these gods are lower case compared to our God Yahweh 💯
Wen baal is asking for a house... that word house means body... he wanted to be in physical form . In this time he was just in the etheric... this was a mistake
Hope this helps: The Baal Cycle was written around the 14th century BCE. The Enuma Elish was written around the 13th century BCE. Genesis was written between the 10th and 6th centuries BCE in ancient Israel and Judah.
So basically, those other stories are the originals, and the writters of the made bible its own version? So are we just continuing ancient Mesopotamian myths in modern times?
@@divinelyautistic Not exactly (there is always borrowing from what came earlier) For the most part I think for the most part these are based on actual events. The timeline helps to understand who replaced who. It actually simple if we don’t delude ourselves with blind opinions.
@adebayoonakoya6243 but studies from the text shows that Moses could not have written the torah.. It was written well after his time and by many authors... I have a few ways how I found out..
Respectfully, in the confusing part, it seems the author by having Anatu express what she has done to Yamm is clearly showing her support / direct involvement (perhaps the warriors she slaughtered was supporters of Yamm) for Balu and accepting equal "credit" for dispersing and disassembling Yamm. On a side note if you read closely neither Balu nor Anatu actually claims to have "destroyed or killed" Yamm but rather has dispersed, bound and destroyed his jaw and smitten (struck) Yamm.
Funny how these gods can never seem to build their own houses, and gotta find some Shlomo to use rocks and dead plants to make something better than a tent. Also wine. Only the twice-born son of the highest god Zeus and mortal Semele, the new high god Dionysus, can make his own wine... until that Iesou guy comes around, at least.
Look at this ant yelling at God to present evidence 💀 it's all around you. Be bold, call on the Name of Jesus with humility, and you will see what you need to.
This is the inComplete Caananite Elohim,or list of gods. AKLM: Creatures who attacked Bal in the desert. Some say these creatures are grasshopper-like. ANATH: This was a Love and War Goddess, the Venus star. She is also known for slaying the enimies of her brother Baal much in the same way Hathor slaughtered much.of mankind (Anath is heavily related to Hathor). After the Defeat of Mavet and Yam, a feast was thrown for Baal. Anath locked everyone inside, and proceeded to slay everyone (as they had all been fickle toward Baal with both Mavet and Yam, as well as Ashtar). Baal stopped her and conveinced her that a reign of peace is what was needed. She also has confronted Mavet and was responsible for Baal's liberation from the underworld. She is the twin sister of Marah. Daughter of Asherah She is also known as Rahmay- "The Merciful", and as Astarte. Astarte is the Canaanite Name of Ishtar; just as Ishtar is the Babylonian Name of Inanna. In all cases the Name means, simply, "Goddess" or "She of the Womb' ARSAY: She of the Earth. Daughter of Baal. An underworld Goddess. ASHERAH: The Mother of the Gods, Qodesh (just like El), Lady of the Sea, Wife of El. (see El). When the gods decided- to entreat Yam to ease his reign of tyranny, it was Asherah who went to him and even offered herself. The gods agreed to let her do this, except for Baal who was enraged at the idea. (See Baal). Asherah is said to have given birth to seventy qods ASHTAR: Possibly a male version of Ishtar (Astarte in Canaan), the Venus Star. When Baal was killed by Mavet, Asherah had Ashtar, her son, placed on the throne, However, Ashtar was not big enough to fill the position, and resigned (quite possibly a relation of the Venus star being the last star to shine before the Sun takes over). Ibelieve one of his titles is Malik (the King) and other names for him are Abimilki and Milkilu ASTARTE: A Name of Anath which means "Goddess`, or literally "She of the Womb . Astarte is simply the Canaanite version of the Name Ishtar. ATIK: The Calf of El. Enemy of Baal slain by Anath BAAL: He is the Canaanite Ruler God (like Marduk). Baal and Yam-Nahar origonally competed for kingship of the gods. The mattes brought before El, who decided in favour of was Yam. Yam then proceeded with a reign of tyranny over the gods, and none of them felt they had the power to defeat Yam. So, they sent Asherah to entreat him to lossen his grip. Asherah even. offered herself to Yam. Upon hearing this, Baal was enraged, and decided to defeat Yam. Yam got wind of Baal's plan and sent messengers to El with the demand that (driver). Baal - He be struck delivered Yam to on him. the E. chest afraid, with agreed Yagrush to Baalthen no avail taunted Then.he thes gods struck for him their on the cowardice- torehead and withz went tO Aymur face and Yam. fell He Yam had to the two earth. weapons After made, Yam's Yagrush defeat, Baal (chaser) had and. palace Aymur built for himself; closely resembeling the story of Marduk. It also resembles Marduk's story in that the Primeval Waters threatened the gods, and the High God and others were afraid to face them, with the exception of the soon-to-be Ruler God. The Baal epic then continues to describe his fight against Mavet. Baal is also a Storm God like Marduk, and a fertility god like Tammuz. Dagon is his father. Baal is the Canaanite God-force (the goddess force seems to De split between Anath and Asherah). Baal's proper name is Hadad, relating to his storm-god aspect. Baal is really a title, meaning "Lord" Baaľ's residence is upon Mt. Zaphon. He is known as Rapiu (Shade) during his summer stay in the underworld BAALAT: Patron Goddess of Gubla. Fertility Goddess associated with Hathor and Isis DAGON: A vegitation God (especially corn). Father of Baal EL: The Father of the Gods the Creator of Created Things, The Kindly, Kodesh. Asherah is his wife. When he was young, El went out upon the sea, and there met Asherah and Her companion Rohmaya. He then roasted a bird and asked them if They would be HIs wives or daughters. They chose to be His wives. El mates with these Goddesses and Shachar and Shalim (Dawn and Dusk) are born. This family then builds a sanctuary and lives in the desert for eight years. This episode may be the closest we have to a Creation story involving El. El wears bull hors upon his helmet, and He is a grey haired and bearded patriarch. He resides at the Source of Two Rivers' upon Mt. Lel. ELSH: Steward of El and Baal's house. His wife is the steward of the Goddesses ESHMUN: God of healing. A great God of Sidon GAPEN: A messenger of Baal. His name either means Vine or Field. Probably the former. HELEL: Or Lucifer. The Light Bringer, the Moring Star. Son of Shachar. Helel once attempted to take his Father's Throne, but falled (another myth concerning Venus' place as the HADAD: See Baal. Originally the Sumer-Babylonian 'Adad last star in the sky each morning, as if trying to defy the Sun). This is the very Myth which spawned the Christian Myth of the War in Heaven (see Issaliah 14:12- which, in Hebrew, says "Helel' and not Lucifer"). HIRIBI: God of Summer. HIRGAB: Father of Eagles. Husband(?) of S,umul. HAURON: A God that is related to Ninurta of Mesopotamia and Horus of Egyp YAHWEH: Yahweh is added here because there was a short time in which He was simply cupbearer along with Baal. Later, as the National God of lsrael, Yahweh was equated with'El, and Asherah became His wife. H. part of the Canaanite pantheon. He was a Son c of El; and he was part of the court of El as YAM-NAHAR: Yam-Nahar is the Primordial Waters that were defeated by Baal (see Baal and Asherah). His name means Sea-River. He was originally given kingship by El, and ruled as a tyrant over the Gods. Baal finally rose up against him.
I keep hearing people say that Yahweh was part of the Canaanite pantheon, adopted later by the Israelites. The problem is, I never read that from anyone in Academia who can point to ancient written sources. Till now, when archaeologists and scholars find an inscription that mentions Yahweh, they immediately know it's Israelite, because Yahweh wasn't worshipped by the surrounding nations...-which is weird! Everyone shared their deities...except for Yahweh. Egyptians didn't worship him, nor Canaanites, nor Syrians or Mesopotamians... Can you site any ancient Canaanite inscriptions that mention Yahweh?
11:40 The issue with saying it's a figure of speech is, and that God is merely copying or alluding to Ancient Near East beliefs is basically saying the ultimate reality (which includes physical reality) of the statements aren't true, and that He just mouths that off for our understanding, but basically just fluff of what potential He has, but nothing more. In the Bible, figures of speech become literal true fulfilled things. For example, the Messianic prophecy that Jesus would not break any bones is a Hebrew idiom and figure of speech for moral integrity of spirit - it became literal and physical in the cross, He literally did not break any physical bones. God's victory over the Leviathan Satan will be a physical, literal, real one, not just a conquest of and victory over generic evil concept.
@@DiscipleDojo what makes the Bible the word of God is it makes the figurative and metaphorical real and physical in the real world. Or else the Bible is just like any other religious book with fancy metaphors about their god but no reality, it's just different gods (and God) saying I did this and that, I'm the cloud rider, NO, I'm the cloud rider, you're not, with no substance since cloud riding didn't actually happen if it is just an allusion. Peter calls the Bible the word of prophecy, and the test of prophecy is if something will actually happen in physical reality, not in metaphorical sense. If the stuff the Bible says only is metaphorically true, then it fails its own test. By JUST alluding to ANE stories, it's just God trying to flatter Himself with delusions of grandeur in Job or wherever UNTIL it actually happens.
This is good content. Especially if you've dabbled in the other myths and can connect the dots. He gives subtle hints in his dialog... that nearly all myths either retell the same story or are further developments of said story. I wonder what the world will be like be like when the majority is finally able to realize this manipulation. We are decieved in many ways but this deception of how everything came to be is probably the greatest. I'm beginning to think it's all by design though. Just how everything fell apart by design, everything will come back together by design.
Severed heads and hands of Astereth's victims... reminds me of what was left of Queen Jezebell after she was torn appart by dogs. Only her head and hands were left. As an echo of what she left from the epic.
@@DiscipleDojo Each of the plagues in Egypt were a defiance of the supposed powers of the Egyptian deities. God was calling them out and publically pancing the false Gods, for all to see. Let the world know that they are a joke. Remember what God did to the statue of Dagon when the Ark was taken to the Philistine cities... Dagon lost his head and his hands too...
An interesting thing to me, is that, without the voyels Hadad HDD. Which is similar to Hadid in Arabic meaning Iron or Metal. To me this cycle explains smelting or metallurgy. EL or L mean a staff. Baal or BL means the house of staff. This is about the birth of the iron age. I enjoyed your videos thank you.
This is fascinating stuff! I've never really delved into the myths of the Canaanites, their literature and all that. I think perhaps it might be better to look at the similarities in the same vein of Flood stories. It's not that the Bible is ripping off older stories, but rather, everyone has a memory of these things. In this case, perhaps there was more data on the events of the Garden of Eden, the prophecy of the Offspring who would crush the serpent's head. You gotta know that this got distorted among the pagans. Seven-headed serpent? Like how Satan's depicted in Revelation? Wild stuff. Maybe the Israelites were already familiar with the concept well b4 Revelation was penned.
In the beginning all nations had the truth of the Son of God overcoming sin and death but they began to fall away from that truth and began to interpret it according to their own understanding and to ignore his laws. Well meaning people set up statues to try to keep the people in remembrance of what was good and true. But, after a while, the people began to worship those statues and thus idolatry was born. They are all the same because it is the remnant of the original truth of course highly corrupted, distorted, and altered.
@restoredephraimpublication1540 You are proposing that societies which predate Christianity, and a geologically isolated from the development of Christianity, somehow derived their mythologies retroactively from Christianity? Please explain why anyone should not think you to be completely delusional.
@gulfcitylibrarian5801 I am skeptical that religions which developed thousands of years before the writing of the Bible, and were geological isolated from the development of Christianity, based their mythologies on a passage from the Bible. Please explain how that would even happen.
@@AndrewJohnson-oy8oj Adam taught the gospel to his children. Noah taught the gospel to his children. If you don't believe in Adam or Noah then you will not believe this. Nevertheless it is true.
I believe that the Baal Saga about a Rogue Deity Baal who finds favor with the lord of the Gods due to his knowledge and mastership of lighting and storms. The Lord of the Gods invites all the gods to meet this deity and be charmed by him. The Sea God declined jealous of his father infatuation with Baal. Also, accuses him of stealing the waters from him and giving it to crops of his father, a lesser deity. In turn, the people love Baal and the Sea god is demanding Baal's death. The father god tries to appease the son by giving him a palace, but he still wants Baal's head. Baal beats him dismembers the body and then invites his sister, Anatu over to his dwelling. She is seduced by the fact that he has killed her brother, which she hates, and his knowledge of lightning. The "rain my waters upon you" theme is an allegory for sex.
I once worked at a car wash during a summer where we had waaaay more grasshoppers than usual. People would come in to wash their cars, and I'd clean up the wash bays after them, and there'd just be piles of dead grasshoppers everywhere; it was so gross to clean them up lol. So that one part with the warrior goddess and the hands just instantly took me back to that summer, lol. That imagery definitely meant something to me!
Ive always been under the impression that "lord" in the bible was used to signify many different characters but in this instance it seems to be signifying enlil. Son of the most high God "El" who seems to also be zeus in greek pantheon? Correct me if im wrong... which in a nutshell would make ba'al which literally means owner or lord, couldve been in reference to any of the gods. Referencing this due to the fact that elohim is plural. But can be used to reference the singular ruler of the gods El. But haddad is the same figure as zeus and hadad, and jupiter, as well as Bel in babylonian culture. Once again, correct me if im wrong?
Asherah and Baal are both titles, rather than proper names; do you have any idea where these deities first became worshipped? Also, it always fascinated me how "El" or "Il a" keeps recurring in Middle Eastern cultures as the Creator or Father of the pantheons.
Not too surprising. El seems to be in common use for ancient Hebrew. The names Samuel, Daniel, and Gabriel all revolve around a relation to God through the word El.
Reading these stories really does help to bring the old testament to life! It's evident that the God of Abraham Isaac and Isreal spoke to the people in a way they were used to hearing and using the imagery of the false gods to reveal Himself. Awesome!
@@jdaniel11405822 It could be interesting to look op the father of Abraham and the city he came from. The civilization it was part of . The origins of that civilization and the stories it produced .
I don't think Yahweh borrowed imagery from false religion; it's clear in the Bible that concept is repulsive to Him. But, like the Flood, the Genesis account preserves it in accurate though scant detail, whereas after the Flood when people again began to deviate from True Worship, they spread distorted versions of the Memory of real events. I think that's what's happening here. The Canaanites have distorted notions. I mean, if we're arguing from the Biblical perspective, Revelation describes Satan as a 7-headed monstrous serpent 'who misleads the entire inhabited Earth', so it follows that it is he and his agents that spread misinformation since ancient times to becloud the Truth.
Maybe you answer this in other videos, so apologies if so. But how do we know that the writers of the Bible were taking from the Baal myth? Just because there is similar wording doesn’t necessarily mean one is taken from the other. But I’m genuinely asking how we know.
Perhaps it means the existence of other gods was also known to other nations of time before, and they believed in it, not necessarily that the writers of the Bible have taken from Baal myth. Perhaps God has given that knowledge to others, apparently, such knowledge has been circulating for ages until this day.
31:20 - It's written that all Scripture is inspired by God, so it's hard for me to believe that an Israelite scribe would just copy and paste from a pagan scribe and insert God's name in place of Baal. 🧐
That's right, it actually sounds ridiculous that they would do that. Really, they couldn't come up with their own story? Let's just remember that Satan is a liar, a FATHER of lies as the Bible depicts him, he has knowledge and knows how to lie from the beginning of this world.
If I'm inspired to write a piece of Bible now a days, and I know about the 'make America great again' speeches of Trump. Then I wrote in the Bible... God will make America great again. I use known stories, and people will recognize it. But still, it will give full glory to God. So both can be truth, also in this ancient days. Using old and familiar stories is even mandatory, I think. To make clear, there is no possibility to use both deities... Of course, you use concepts that are very familiar at that time. And I'm from the Netherlands, so abusing mister Trump for this example, but I guess most people don't recognize a local example😂 Hope you can follow my thoughts since English is not my first language.
In America we do that. We have pagan holidays but we celebrate Christ on those days. So it's not that far-fetched. And plagiarism does exist. We arguably live during the most educated time frame of human existence. There are some people like my father who believe God appoints our president..... I'm Taking all the information with a grain of salt.
I think the reason Baal said not to put a window was to make sure they completed building the house before making a window for his clouds to go out from. Safety insurance
Anatu is Kali from Hinduism! Look up Kali in google images. She wears heads around her neck and hands around her waist. Cotor (spelling might be wrong but the guy who make's Baal's weapons from the last video) sounds like the greek god Hephaetus who fashioned Zeus's lighting bolts (his weapons).
I'm wondering if Anatu could have been male. @17:54 El - "I know you, my daughter, that you are a manly sort". Given that Transgender is being prevalent today and most likely back then.
So if there are similar myths and stories from each culture with different names- Marduk(Baal) Tiamat(Yom), is there a source document that they derive from?
So Thanos was Yammu and Thor was Ba 'lu. First time "You should have gone for the head" second time thanos is slain and the entire audience cheers. 11:07 Anatu (is this Hel?) Thors sister? 15:37 house (temple) 35:52 "the earth shakes" so its not literal.
This is awesome. My mind is exploding with connections. You’ve surely noticed that paganism is coming in hot these days, filling the void left by the apostasy of the Western world. We need to know these stories and their symbols so that when we see them, as we did at the opening ceremonies of that weird sportsy event everyone watches, we will recognize them for what they are. Don’t kill me, but I’d love to hear Jonathan Pageau and Richard Rohlin walk through this story and give us their take on it. Another connection is with ancient myths the world over about one (or more) of the great global catastrophes of the late Pleistocene and early to mid Holocene. That would include Noah’s Flood but also the events that happened at both ends of the Younger Dryas chronozone (one of which may align with Noah’s Flood, I don’t know - it’s hard to put the pieces together with the currently available evidence). In the Bible, other ANE literature, and oral traditions of people groups from Australia to Siberia to Peru, the references to devastating lightening storms and floods are not merely descriptions of God’s capabilities. They are memories of global catastrophes that occur once ever few thousand years. Sometimes, they are mostly about water, sometimes mostly about fire. It’s been a few thousand since the last one (the Flood). St. Peter told us that the next destruction of the world would be by fire. It may be almost upon us.
What does it matter? Just because cultures in proximity to each other use similar phrases or styles of storytelling doesn't mean one or the other is wrong or fake.
El is a biblical name for THE God, which yes, would be Ywh. Elohim is a biblical name for the entirety of celestial beings, other gods such as Sons of God, angels, and many other spiritual beings God created, the so-called "godhead". But El is the creator.
Semitic languages use roots and then they use further conjugation or context to modify them. Although, keshet generally means bow, it does not intrinsically mean a bow weapon. For example, keshet is also a rainbow. We derive that the meaning of KShT is (arcing forth in a trajectory). Therefore in this context with "matoth", keshet probably means a spear thrower and matot are probably javelins.
What are some thoughts about El Shaddai/Yhwh being originally being local and corporeal deity moving to a more transcendent, still corporeal, deity after the Babylonians destroyed his temple. Then NT moving into a completely transcendent deity. Does it come across as natural progression of culture or adapting the deity to fit the current circumstances? Or both? If the latter two, does this create a theological problem? SN: Rehab and Deber are deities often translated as pestilence I believe within Hebrew bible. Will have to look at the Hebrew to see it. Logos Bible Software is a great tool for this if anyone doesn't know. (Excuse any grammatical errors please lol)
@@i_nehatiwari There's Yahweh in the Bible, though; YHWH is the name of God often translated as LORD in the Old Testament, which could be Jehovah or (more likely) Yahweh when you add the vowels back in. And it's @richardkersey4960 who I was replying to who attempted to compare them.
Nearly 4 decades ago I read a book that blended the (Greek, Norse & Roman - Gods) for a long time I would complain about how that book confused my understanding of those belief systems. Fast forward to today where all the books of the world exist at your fingertips and I realize what that author was trying to express… If you have ever wondered why the Christians referred to Norse beliefs as the old gods - This Video series makes it quite clear that they recognized them and already had a playbook on how to defeat them… I’m a strong believer that the names and linguistics may have changed but the meaning remains the same.
Old testament is the same old story from Sumeria. The gospel of Jesus stands alone as unique and different from those old stories. Jesus said his father was not the father of the Jews in John 5.
How shamedul that a god begs and complains that he has no house. Can't even build his own house. Wouldn't that tell anyone at any time and space that baal has no powers?
@@stephencampbell2018 Ok, Anu means Sky God in Sumerian and Annunaki means those who came from the sky. Going back to Phoenecian/Canaanitic, the father of Baal is El or Dagan, the fertility/ploughing God. This El Elyon sounds similar to Elohim in Judaism and Allah in Islam, Ouranos in Greek, and Amun-Ra in Egyptian. Basically, Titan who is more ethereal than corporeal.
32:45 70 sons. This has interesting parallels in the Bible. It seems this translation assumes animals and wine are given. It seems possible. The wine is the blood of those animals.
The snake, serpent, the alike is referring to the sea also. The coiling serpent can equate to the sea waters. 7 headed serpent of chaos, 7 sea faring bad "rears" (apologies for original wording). Alot of this imagery reminds me of a time following cataclysmic events, giving idea of the seven headed serpent of chaos. It's just a bunch of puzzle pieces to what happened in ancient times. Just rolling theory over a lot of research. I may be way off, and if I am, I apologize, but I really think this theory may apply. Ok ty
So learning about ancient myths of Gods is not idol worship....because you are learning about the ancient stories...you are not worshipping them.... or as I have always said....Know your enemies... the Italians have a better way of saying it..... Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer! See my rant below for my theory about who these so called Gods really were.
So I wonder if it has something to do with the same aspects that Jehovah witnesses do not place windows in their churches for example Jehovah's' Witnesses do not want to be associated with Christianity and they don't want their buildings to look remotely related to a house of worship.
JM, you have done nothing in this series so far to separate the God of the Hebrew Bible from the surrounding religions that pre-date it in that region. You assert the earlier religions are false but that the Hebrew beliefs are true. You have not shown how or why the Hebrew is any more than an evolution of the religions of that time and place. This series has been educational, but not in the way you meant it to be. I know it is frightening, but look at the data without presuppositions.
@@DiscipleDojo Interesting, so are you conceding the God of the Hebrew Bible is simply an evolution of the religions of that time? That is not the only option of course, but many scholars will posit that position. With lots of references and so on.
@@passionatetechnology8306 wrote "why take that assumption? Where are you getting that implication from JMs response and the series itself?" Because he said it himself in comments on the first video. He has also spoken in other videos about rejecting things because they contradict the supernatural elements of the Judeo-Christian claims. He called them miracles, but whatever. JM's position on this stuff is no mystery.
I would have to agree with you on this. In India reading and seeing thier depictions in statue form ,what I see is all the stories were taken and new names put in place.
Baal is Bel Marduk...who was Enlil...son of the god Anu. JHVH is Enki...son of the god Anu. They have been in disagreement over any # of things for at least 1/2 million years.
The origins of what pagans believe originates from the righteous and Godly man Noah and his 3 sons. The Lord almighty, through Abraham, restored what what had become corrupt.
The orgins of the Bi(bull) are stolen and plagiarized stories from the ancient Kingdoms of Mesopatamia and Egypt. The civilizations of Akaidians, Sumrians, Babyalonians, and Egyptians are the roots of the Abrahamic Death Cult religions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
One must remember that the Hebrew went from Canaan into Egypt during a famine and a few generations later went back to Canaan in the Exodus from Egypt. They shared history and religion with the Canaanites that remained in Canaan during the prior famine. It's not surprising that there are shared stories. Remember, too, that none of this was written into the Torah until the time of the Hebrew captivity in Babylon. This captivity after many years also explains the inclusion of certain Babylonian stories into the Torah, possibly because they explained certain "history" that wasn't as remembered as the Babylonian version. We will never know the complete truth as it is lost in time.
I appreciate your willingness to explore the myths and legends of other cultures. However, I can’t help but chuckle a bit at your reference to “Stock” terms or phrases instead of acknowledging that the “Hebrews”, formed and altered their “Scripture” whenever another culture was encountered. I often wonder what their scriptures and beliefs would look like without the obvious influences of the Canaanites, Philistines, Babylonians, and Persians! Would “Satan” be as powerful without exposure to Zoroastrianism? What would the “Hebrew” calendar look like if they didn’t have the Canaanite calendar for a “Stock” calendar?😂
@@dewaynemiles1245 you mean what would Scripture look like if it weren't written within an actual historical setting with other cultures surrounding God's people? Who knows? Unlike the other religions of the ancient Near East, the Hebrew Bible is predicated upon YHWH interacting with His people within human history. 🤷
I believe that I understand your position and I respect your right to believe whatever you choose! However, it would appear that YHWH stepped out and consulted with the Gods of the surrounding cultures periodically before interacting with his “people”!
@@donnaruby1304 While I believe that many things are possible, I must say that this particular thing might be a bit less likely. I say this for a number of reasons but the most basic ones come down to geography. UR was located in Sumer and while not too far away it was certainly farther away than their Caananite neighbors. Another reason would be all of the months in the "Hebrew" Calendar named after Caananite Gods!
I see a lot of similarities. I was thinking about this the other day, well came down through Noah and his family, and they knew about God before this. Adam walked with God. God spoke to Noah and most scholars believe that Job was around her before Moses and Jacob and all of that. The old world before Judaism knew of God and so much of this was probably known by all these people, Noah and his sons knew stuff about God. They knew of God they knew these rules and ways to live in, though the law hadn’t been created and handed down to Moses, officially, God still spoken to people before this and no one has sons had stories from generations before and a lot of this sounds to me like a lot of very primitive beliefs from people who worship animals and stuff that’s just in their geographical vicinity and sort of make things up around it on his throne, and these things were probably things that everybody knew about God God just hadn’t given us the law at that time but had walked with God and they saw some of this face-to-face and I’m sure he talked to them and especially after they had send God interacted with others and lot of this seems to take basic elements that are kind of a given and then a lot of it just kind of Reminds me of primitive cultures that just sort of make things up about animals and stories and sort of turn into something else like a lot of mythology. Then a lot of it, especially about the brutality and the fighting and all of this stuff you see this a lot and primitive cultures too, and even in modern cultures where people try to boast and liking gang culture where people try to sort of empower themselves by their weaponry, see gang mentality people, and videos, holding their gun sideways and trying to show off and sitting around talking about how bad they are with their weapons and all the things they can do and a lot of it sort of, getting psyched up and adrenaline flow from feeling powerful because of these tools and weapons, and a lot of that from a psychological standpoint comes out of insecurity and trying to present yourself as dangerous so people will respect and fear you. When you’re reading about how he makes a weapon and it doesn’t work so he makes another weapon and crushes the head, I just kind of imagine like these dudes playing with nunchucks and have these cheap swords and stuff sitting around partying and talking about how bad they are, vicious and powerful they could be with their sword as they swing around and break. Mom’s lamp freak out because they’re about to get their butt whooped. I don’t mean to be rude and make fun of people, but this is just the general impression I get from a lot of this is these people who are sort of may be higher ranking and a tribal group or just amongst their friends like a gang sort of thing sitting aroundtalking smack about how cool they were showing off their weapons and talking about how hard-core and bad they were and all that they could powerful weapons😂😂 you see this in a lot of aspects of cultures, guys will come over and show off their tools and weapons and kind of talk. Smack about how no one can mess with them now because they’ve got all these or whatever. now they kind of play with their weapons and show off kind of boasting and showing often trying to put out this image that they’re really really hard-core and dangerous😂 I think a lot of the stuff at the core was probably at one time stemming from the truth about the real God, but then they get off into talking about weird stuff and it just seems very boastful and like bragging and showing off and just kind of petty fake showboating element of it, and we see that in modern society, especially in like a gang society or something where people are growing up in dangerous areas and kind of banned together and try to psych each other up as a way of dealing with the pressures of living in a danger zone, like some of the stuff was talking about some of their gods sounds like a giant anaconda, snake or something they saw and just started calling it a God like a lot of primitive cultures in the Amazon and stuff, worship, jaguars, and tigers and big snakes and just kind of tough animals that are dangerous. From our religious standpoint, a lot of this seems very foolish, but from a psychological standpoint, it seems very common and reminiscence of behavior, monks, people throughout the ages and generations, and just sort of a common behavior of how people just sit around and talk smack and make stuff up and then a few generations down the line the stories get a little exaggerated on and puffed up a little and it goes from. He was the toughest dude in the neighborhood and a few generations later all of a sudden now he’s the toughest God in this part of the world or whatever . It’s all very predictable. That’s one thing I noticed about reading the Bible and the old testament. Is you kind of surprised a lot because things aren’t quite as predictable and normal as if they were derived out of common human behavior and folklore, the Bible is very specific and it was a lot of God just telling people how it is And unusual situations that were obviously the hand of God. The story sound like some dude built primitive, handmade weapon and smacked a snake over the head like one of those 30 foot anacondas or something and sort of part of a big story in the neighborhood through the telephone game and being repeated over and over through the years, turned it into, a primitive religion. And we still see that in modern times there’s culture even just a couple decades ago that would like about bad bad Leroy Brown and they wrote songs about him and stuff and a dude from a big fight sort of turned into an urban legend, who is bigger than life, and a lot of this kind of has that same sort of tone to it
Yam is another name for a common god known in most ancient cultures. Unless I am seriously wrong, Yam is also called EA, Enki, Ptah, Poseidon, Shiva, and probably many others. Of that list I just mentioned, Yam is the only one I am unsure of. One clue to know this god is the same god is the weapon called the trident. 🔱. Shiva and Poseidon are both commonly portrayed holding this weapon. Associated with the planet Neptune. Hope this helps.
An interesting addition to all of this… we are speaking of the god referred to as the serpent in the garden of Eden. Although this was changed to Satan (which means the adversary or enemy in Hebrew). Although I believe that this was intentionally changed because in alternative stories of the garden of Eden, the god Enlil or El is referred to as the Satan of the garden of Eden, in which “Satan” is a title that means “the administrator”. Enlil or El is the voice that asks Adam “how do you know you are naked?” Enki, the serpent, is the father of Ningizshida (also Thoth in Egypt and Quetzalcoatl in Central America). Quetzalcoatl is known as the feathered serpent, son of Enki … the serpent from the garden of Eden. The serpent is referenced in regard to Enki bloodline in many cultures.
I stand by all that but I may have been corrected on Yams identity. He may not be the same as Ea Enki. After conversation with others I would say to research Yam for yourself if interested. I stand by my words about who Enki is though.
'Vir' in Sanskrit means “to subdue, to overpower, to tear open, to display heroism.” 'go' means Cow. together they create the Latin word for Virgin, in Latin, 'vir' means Man, 'gin' is from Greek 'gyne' mean Woman. Dumu means son or Daughter, 'nin means Lady, there is no Girl in Sumerian, other than dumu munus, woman or young woman maybe. The wife of the Door Keeper is Nisaba, the goddess of grain, the star Spica in Virgo. September 4th thru the 8th 2040 is when all the visible planets align with Spica, looking like the Sword of Judgement, the 8th is the birthday of Mary, the New Moon took place on the 6th, the 8th is the first day you see it's little horns.
@@DiscipleDojo This is about the dying and rising vegetation god, isn't it, they are all the same, I use Damu is all, take a look at Alla-gula, the Sukkal (Messenger)for lord of the Good Tree. I'm waiting for a taxi, or I would show you more, I'll try and get back to this comment in a day or two, when I get back, This isn't my only comment, I have a couple more.
Sounds like the power struggle within the world of Edlen Ring. Spoiler, it doesn't end well for the kingdom. On a serious note, similarities between ancient texts regarding the "gods" and God the Father would be expected if they are the fallen trying to emulate the one true God. They witnessed the Glory first hand before the fall and would be very familiar with what to copy in order to deceive mankind as their final act of rebellion.
The Hebrews spent 420 years in Egypt. The Tabernacle was modeled after the Egyptian Pharoah's mobile home on trips and war campaigns. The Moses Exodus would not have had Baal imagery. The people knew Ra and Egypt. After the Hebrews took control of Canaan with such dominance as the walls of Jericho falling down AND the Bible says that generation or the next followed God well before rebellion began to really become a problem, therefore IS it possible Baal and Asherah polls were created in response to the Hebrews powerful God? There is a lot of language similarities between this and the Bible, but we don't know who influenced who?
How do you know for sure that Habbakuk draws from this epic and rather that it's not the other way around? Perhaps there were older oral traditions concerning Yahweh that the Baal worshippers drew from. It also draws from the story of the Israelites in Exodus describing themselves as grasshoppers. Personally, after archeological study, I believe Abrahams leaving Ur to have occurred the era either during immediately following Sargon the Akkad. Many believe there to be a similitude between Ea as described by priestess Enhuedanna (Sargon's niece) and her Goddess Inanna (supposedly the niece of Ea who stole all the maces/me's by getting Ea drunk and seducing him. I believe this because of how Inanna is discussed in I believe this story to be a deeper metaphor for what was described in Genesis concerning the early days of man (in Mesopotamia). It says that in the early days, man called upon the Lord (Yahweh) for they still knew him. But as time went, they fell for the seductions of the Nephilim (sons of God) who had fallen from Heaven. These fallen ones taught the humans things like child sacrifice, seduction/manipulation, witchcraft and sorcery/divining, imperialism and domination, etc When you start to look at things through this lens, these mythologies compared to the Biblical accounts make actual historical sense! I definitely recommend diving more into the old testament books. There is a lot there to explain the differences and similitudes. One could write an entire book on it!
This is FASCINATING!
I now see why God sent a drought where neither dew nor rain entered the land of Israel leading up to the event on Mt Carmel because of their Ba'al worship. It was the Lord demonstrating power over the "cloud rider" and THEN the rain came down RIGHT AFTER Ba'al was humiliated by YHWH and Ba'al's "prophets" where unalived! This is simply fascinating depth of insight into one of my favorite periods in the Bible!
In my humble opinion, the more of these "myths" I come to understand, from all over the world, with all their many similarities & "mighty gods" & all their violence. I truly believe that they are ancient accounts of the Fallen Ones, or fallen Angels or Watchers, whatever you wish to call them...
No for real for real, reminds me of Genesis 6 and the descriptions in Enoch
I was thinking the same thing. The Nephalem.
Do you often have arrogant opinions?
@@kayakMike1000 No, I just know I'm not an expert on this topic...
@kayakMike1000 Maybe YOU should look up the definition of arrogant... This post was anything BUT... 😒🙄
Interesting to contrast Baal's demand for a "house of bricks" to YHWH's ambivalence to David's proposed "house of cedar" in 2 Sam 7/1 Chron 17 and Solomon's admission that his new temple can no more contain God's entire essence than can the very heavens and earth (2 Chron 6:18). The similarities of these mythological comparisons (Ras Shamra, Enuma Elish, etc.) with biblical texts are instructive, but the contrasts even more so--and, as I see it, even carry into the New Testament with Paul's statements on the heavenly powers in Ephesians 6, 2 Cor 10, etc., as the one true God exerts dominion over the would-be usurpers that have populated temples and altars since pre-history.
@@dannykoop exactly! The contrasts are FAR more profound than the similarities. Too many Christians dismiss it all, and thus end up missing out on significant Biblical teachings, such as your observation above. 👊
@@DiscipleDojo
I doubt we miss much at all.
You enjoy giving the occultic satanical a platform.
Using dojo alone significantly puts u in that genre.
@@SteveWarlee what a terrible option to have…don’t think any words could help you at this point
@@leodoamaral9359 It is pretty weird that he makes his figurines the focal point of every video. Pretty childish if you ask me.
The content is decent in this series, but he's still a pretty immature Christian.
@@josephpchajek2685 that’s literally the point of reading these stories - to expound on them. And you take that as a sign of an immature Christian? Pray and examine your heart 🙏🏽
I think Baal is piss'ing out that window onto us and telling us that it is raining
I'm not a religious person, much less an Abrahamist, but I am interested in ancient history, and I find your clear, well-researched exploration of the broader religious and cultural context in which Judaism developed to be fascinating. Thank you for this series.
@@MLHunt thanks for watching. DiscipleDojo tries to make biblical teaching and backgrounds accessible to any interested viewer, so I appreciate your comment very much.
@@DiscipleDojo The oldest story of all the world is getting "Barack" out of "America" so that the woman can emerge with a head of gold, chest of silver, belly of bronze, and legs of iron. And it's celebrated at the time of Ramadan.
Beginning around Halloween the Muslims curse the Earth for 5 months prior to their special month in memory of the work of the hands.
Job 34:19-20
“Who takes no partiality to princes? And no regard for the rich above the poor? They all must work with their hands; for, in one moment, death by division. The people will be shaken and pass away. Valiant and turned aside without hand.”
Genesis 5:29
"Proclaim the name, "Noah," say, "this is our consolation, the flood by the deed worked by the toil of our hands," will arise from the ground, whom Yahweh has cursed?"
Noah means "From the toil of thy hands, this same shall be comforter of."
Genesis 11:5-6
“Yahweh, come down, to see the city’s brought down lifted up tower, which sons of men builded me. Yahweh utters, “Behold the one people, all the same language, and HERE are they begun to make accomplished, and, yeah, nothing which they purpose to make accomplished is inaccessible unto them.””
Ecclesiastes 7:27-28
""To see to discovery, this," saith the Preacher, "you add one unto another, until you find the explanation: Who am I to seek? They seek to attain one man, out of the thousands, to attain the woman of the whole of mankind.""
Revelation 9:20
"The remaining of mankind, who is not killed by these plagues, repented not of the works of their hands, in order that they might worship the demon, his image of gold, silver, brass, and petrified wood (the life inside the glorified shell), for I demonstrate power that he neither see, nor hear, nor walk."
One would think if Russia was as worthless as Iran, then people would wish for things to get quiet, but no.
Isaiah 45:16
“To shame and moreover humiliation unto all who engrave the idol. Walk together upon the reproach.”
Job28:20-24
“Whence wisdom? And knowledge, unto who does it come? And where is the place of understanding? And it is concealed from the eyes of all of the living. Concealed from the birds of the heavens (fallen angels). Abaddon (The Destroyer or Apollyon) bringing death, saith, “we have ears to hear the report.” Elohim (God) discerns their ways; He knows where they stand. Look to the end of the Earth. See all under the heavens. He will impart the weight of the winds; meted waters by measures. Making a limit to rain, and from a far distance for the voice of Thunder. At that time see and relate, He established, and moreover stretched it out. To man utter, “Behold in fear, your lord,” for the wisdom will depart, evil has understanding.”
Job 26:6
"naked death before Abaddon, and nothing shall cover them over."
Job 26:13-14
“by his breath the heavens are cleared, his hand shall pierce BARACK, a serpent. Behold ALLAH the end of his ways. How? A whisper, a word, hear the strength and the thunder. Who can discern?”
Job 39:23-27
“The quiver rattles above, the BARACK (internal heavenly spear - in ancient Hebrew "Barack") and javelin (Barack the human man). With shaking and rage he races over the ground (of Mt. Zion). He will stand the sound of the Trumpet (7th one). As often Trumpets uttered, “Aha!” He perceived the war from afar (he had to leave America and be at the top of Mt. Zion for this last trumpet); now Thunder his princes, “this is the war! Bring down understanding with your birds of prey, soar by the spread of wing of the South (Islam), for the mouth of the Eagle mount is exalted on a nest on high.””
The dumb Muslims hope he has strength dispite his reign in the USA over earlier that year as Joe Biden left.
Ezekiel 1:13-14
“for the living being was like a consumed ember, a consumed vision upright, shall he walk among living beings, fiery and bright was Barack, he had come out of the consummation. The living beings ran to and fro before the vision of Barack.”
The second body is worthless of Barack Hussein Obama. Where is the angelic being within?
Isaiah 14:18-19
"All the kings of the Earth shall lie down in a manner most glorious, each in a tomb, yet you shall be cast out of a tomb. An abhorrent branch, clothed with the slain yet pierced by a sword. Kneel to the ROCK and descend in a pit to be trampled as a corpse."
Job 40:2
“Will the one who strives within be with the Almighty? Let this reproving god answer.”
Job 38:7
“Till the morning stars (fallen angels) sing together in their new form, then will the sons of God (believers in the power of the blood of Jesus, Yashu'a) shout for joy.”
Jeremiah 25:33-37
“The slain of Yahweh, on that day, one extremity of Earth unto the other. Not one remaining to lament, gather, or bury. They will be like unto dung, on the face of the Earth. Wail shepherds and cry, wallow in ash (all limbs & wings removed), most beautiful of the flock (Satan - remember birds are a symbol of fallen angels). For these days of slaughter were for your dispersion to come out. And you fell out, the most desired of the vessels (Lucifer). There is no flight, for the perishing shepherds. No escape, most majestic of the flock. Hear the voice crying, shepherds? Wail unto the master of your flock. Yahweh has devastated the pasture. Complete the fold and be silent. For this is the fierce anger of Yahweh.”
@@DiscipleDojo I appreciate how you take the fearfulness out of biblically contemporary texts. I know that generally, a lot of christians are very fearful of anything that is not directly related to their particular religious book. I commend you for fueling your curiosity and seeking knowledge despite what is probably quite harsh judgement and criticism by those who supposedly share your faith.
Just truly informative! I have been studying for many years and I was aware that in Scripture, especially in the Tanakh, that pagan motifs were used by the writers to teach the people that the things ascribed to pagan gods were actually the traits, characteristics and power of Jehovah. However, I was not aware of the depth and expansion used. For example, we see the "window of heaven(s) " as a pagan expression of where the rain comes from in Gen 7:11, 8:2 and Mal 3:10. This is eye opening info and very helpful. It leads to more clarity when studying Scripture. I just came across this channel today and regret that it has been unknown to me for the last 25 years! Channels such as this and many others show that the only way to learn about Scripture, for the regular people, people who don't have the time required to learn Scripture on their own, that true learning doesn't come from the pulpits, but is found on UA-cam.
@@bobcorrigan5540 it CAN come from pulpits...but teaching allows one to go into more detail than preaching most of the time. I think both are necessary and serve partially overlapping functions. Glad you found the channel! Welcome to the Dojo!
It SHOULD come from the pulpit if they claim to be servants of Christ. Since it doesn’t and we get postmodern moralizing and rainbows instead….well you know, fruit and bearing and such.
In Norse mythology, and clearly a retelling of this story, Thor, the Norse storm god destroyed the Great worm/serpent.
One can see similarities as well with Hercules fighting the hydra.
@@fargomonkey5133 yes, almost every ancient religion has a "hero vs. serpent" motif. To me that argues heavily for a shared primordial memory among humanity that is paradigmatic.
That description around 5 minutes sounds like a description of Kali
@@miguelcano2608 it does indeed!
That is what I thought, too.
I wonder how far people of that time traveled to trade, how many were displaced from other parts of the world; bringing their religions and myths with them.
All these stories r similar like how every culture has a flood story..i love this kinda i fo man feels like it fills in alot of gaps n makes my fsith even more real 2 me
I thought the exact thing, too!
Just another demon /idol all followed by foolish people.
Just found this channel this morning and when I seen Professor Aquaman I fell in love! This is incredibly helpful and down right awesome content. Thank you 👍🏼
This is a big revelation for me. Thank you.
Absolutely grand. Excellent reading and interpretation. Madd love ❤️!
got my sub. This is good stuff.
Wow, that program you're using is cool! It's so helpful to read these texts side by side. I am re-reading the Old Testament, so this helps add context.
What's interesting is how these texts read like the tales of the Greek & Roman gods, with these supposed deities being so fickle and angry and violent and always with the drama. Some of them seem like glorified people with super powers who are having a bad day. You don't know how they'll act from moment to moment. How different that is from the biblical texts that portray the true God as being separate, holy, pure, righteous, AND merciful! He is the same, yesterday, today, and forever. There is just no comparison. How I long for the day when He will return and FINALLY put all these "gods" and demons and whatever else under His feet, FOREVER!
I can't wait to meet you ❤ May God bless you ❤
I found the invitation for the 70 sons to join him in his palace interesting. Made me think of the 70 elders coming to meet and eat with God (Ex. 24).
Holy crap these are interesting. I didnt even know these stories existed.
I like how you go through things and explain them
Yes wine is very important to pagan religions, as a matter of fact: Halakha (Jewish law) mandates the use of wine in various religious ceremonies (such as sanctifying the Sabbath and festivals with wine at their start and conclusion, and at circumcision and at marriage ceremonies). The rabbis also prescribe wine for other central Jewish rituals: Kiddush, Havdalah, Passover, and so forth. And it's not just people - God also appreciates wine! Wine is poured out as a libation offering in the holy Temple. At the same time, Judaism recognizes critical dangers of over-consumption.
Judaism is not a pagan religion.
With this is mind, is there a possible connection to the Nazarene wow where you were to abstain from the fruit of the vine?
@@briteddy9759 yes I think so.
Water often had stuff on n it that could give you the shits.
@kayakMike1000 * The older gentleman from 'The Lost Ways' would say that you need a silver coin.
Honestly I don’t think it’s a sin to study mythology we just aren’t supposed to practice or give praise to the God or Gods of other religions/mythologies. And learning about Baal actually does help, because God was evolving the Hebrew Jews away from these sinful practices of human sacrifice and such on.
I feel like us as humans are susceptible to following what’s not right just due to our fleshly attributes. But one should always remember that these gods are lower case compared to our God Yahweh 💯
Well said 😄
They had human sacrifices to Yahweh. Christianity is based on that.
Human sacrifice is still human sacrifice, including Jesus.
@@CrystalStarWitcheryvery true.
Wen baal is asking for a house... that word house means body... he wanted to be in physical form . In this time he was just in the etheric... this was a mistake
Interesting idea...
Sounds like Thor and the world serpent and OG from the book of giants
Doesn’t Shiva wear a necklace of skulls?
Yes, but they symbolize man's ego.
Hope this helps: The Baal Cycle was written around the 14th century BCE. The Enuma Elish was written around the 13th century BCE. Genesis was written between the 10th and 6th centuries BCE in ancient Israel and Judah.
Whoa
So basically, those other stories are the originals, and the writters of the made bible its own version? So are we just continuing ancient Mesopotamian myths in modern times?
@@divinelyautistic Not exactly (there is always borrowing from what came earlier) For the most part I think for the most part these are based on actual events. The timeline helps to understand who replaced who. It actually simple if we don’t delude ourselves with blind opinions.
Genesis was written around 1513Bc after he escaped from Egypt and was in the house of Jethro for 40 years.
@adebayoonakoya6243 but studies from the text shows that Moses could not have written the torah.. It was written well after his time and by many authors... I have a few ways how I found out..
Respectfully, in the confusing part, it seems the author by having Anatu express what she has done to Yamm is clearly showing her support / direct involvement (perhaps the warriors she slaughtered was supporters of Yamm) for Balu and accepting equal "credit" for dispersing and disassembling Yamm. On a side note if you read closely neither Balu nor Anatu actually claims to have "destroyed or killed" Yamm but rather has dispersed, bound and destroyed his jaw and smitten (struck) Yamm.
Funny how these gods can never seem to build their own houses, and gotta find some Shlomo to use rocks and dead plants to make something better than a tent. Also wine. Only the twice-born son of the highest god Zeus and mortal Semele, the new high god Dionysus, can make his own wine... until that Iesou guy comes around, at least.
ONLY 1 God my friend. Too much evidence pts at Jesus of Nazareth tho this world tried hard to dissuade you. Be wise! 🙏🏻 ✝️
@@Davido50 Any gods are welcome to show up and start presenting solid evidence. If they don't want to, that's on them.
@@sparrowthesissy2186 No, it's on you to do the proper research as the information's out there.
@@AkbarZeb-p6f You don't sound like you have much faith in any god showing up to give everyone good evidence. Funny, I feel the same way.
Look at this ant yelling at God to present evidence 💀 it's all around you. Be bold, call on the Name of Jesus with humility, and you will see what you need to.
The son of god that crushes the head of the serpent is very similar to someone
This is the inComplete Caananite Elohim,or list of gods.
AKLM: Creatures who attacked Bal in the desert. Some say these creatures are grasshopper-like.
ANATH: This was a Love and War Goddess, the Venus star. She is also known for slaying the enimies of her brother Baal much in the same way Hathor slaughtered much.of
mankind (Anath is heavily related to Hathor). After the Defeat of Mavet and Yam, a feast was thrown for Baal. Anath locked everyone inside, and proceeded to slay everyone (as
they had all been fickle toward Baal with both Mavet and Yam, as well as Ashtar). Baal stopped her and conveinced her that a reign of peace is what was needed. She also has
confronted Mavet and was responsible for Baal's liberation from the underworld. She is the twin sister of Marah. Daughter of Asherah She is also known as Rahmay-
"The
Merciful", and as Astarte. Astarte is the Canaanite Name of Ishtar; just as Ishtar is the Babylonian Name of Inanna. In all cases the Name means, simply, "Goddess" or "She of the
Womb'
ARSAY: She of the Earth. Daughter of Baal. An underworld Goddess.
ASHERAH: The Mother of the Gods, Qodesh (just like El), Lady of the Sea, Wife of El. (see El). When the gods decided- to entreat Yam to ease his reign of tyranny, it was Asherah
who went to him and even offered herself. The gods agreed to let her do this, except for Baal who was enraged at the idea. (See Baal). Asherah is said to have given birth to
seventy qods
ASHTAR: Possibly a male version of Ishtar (Astarte in Canaan), the Venus Star. When Baal was killed by Mavet, Asherah had Ashtar, her son, placed on the throne, However,
Ashtar was not big enough to fill the position, and resigned (quite possibly a relation of the Venus star being the last star to shine before the Sun takes over). Ibelieve one of his
titles is Malik (the King) and other names for him are Abimilki and Milkilu
ASTARTE: A Name of Anath which means "Goddess`, or literally "She of the Womb . Astarte is simply the Canaanite version of the Name Ishtar.
ATIK:
The Calf of El. Enemy of Baal slain by Anath
BAAL: He is the Canaanite Ruler God (like Marduk). Baal and Yam-Nahar origonally competed for kingship of the gods. The mattes
brought before El, who decided in favour of
was
Yam. Yam then proceeded with a reign of tyranny over the gods, and none of them felt they had the power to defeat Yam. So, they sent Asherah to entreat him to lossen his grip.
Asherah even. offered herself to Yam. Upon hearing this, Baal was enraged, and decided to defeat Yam. Yam got wind of Baal's plan and sent messengers to El with the demand
that (driver). Baal - He be struck delivered Yam to on him. the E. chest afraid, with agreed Yagrush to Baalthen no avail taunted Then.he thes gods struck for him their on the cowardice- torehead and withz went tO Aymur face and Yam. fell He Yam had to the two earth. weapons After made, Yam's Yagrush defeat, Baal (chaser) had and. palace Aymur built
for himself; closely resembeling the story of Marduk. It also resembles Marduk's story in that the Primeval Waters threatened the gods, and the High God and others were afraid
to face them, with the exception of the soon-to-be Ruler God. The Baal epic then continues to describe his fight against Mavet. Baal is also a Storm God like Marduk, and a fertility
god like Tammuz. Dagon is his father. Baal is the Canaanite God-force (the goddess force seems to De split between Anath and Asherah). Baal's proper name is Hadad, relating to
his storm-god aspect. Baal is really a title, meaning
"Lord"
Baaľ's residence is upon Mt. Zaphon. He is known as Rapiu (Shade) during his summer stay in the underworld
BAALAT: Patron Goddess of Gubla. Fertility Goddess associated with Hathor and Isis
DAGON: A vegitation God (especially corn). Father of Baal
EL: The Father of the Gods the Creator of Created Things, The Kindly, Kodesh. Asherah is his wife. When he was young, El went out upon the sea, and there met Asherah and Her
companion Rohmaya. He then roasted a bird and asked them if They would be HIs wives or daughters. They chose to be His wives. El mates with these Goddesses and Shachar
and Shalim (Dawn and Dusk) are born. This family then builds a sanctuary and lives in the desert for eight years. This episode may be the closest we have to a Creation story
involving El. El wears bull hors upon his helmet, and He is a grey haired and bearded patriarch. He resides at the Source of Two Rivers' upon Mt. Lel.
ELSH: Steward of El and Baal's house. His wife is the steward of the Goddesses
ESHMUN: God of healing. A great God of Sidon
GAPEN: A messenger of Baal. His name either means Vine or Field. Probably the former.
HELEL: Or Lucifer. The Light Bringer, the Moring Star. Son of Shachar. Helel once attempted to take his Father's Throne, but falled (another myth concerning Venus' place as the
HADAD: See Baal. Originally the Sumer-Babylonian 'Adad
last star in the sky each morning, as if trying to defy the Sun). This is the very Myth which spawned the Christian Myth of the War in Heaven (see Issaliah 14:12- which, in Hebrew,
says "Helel' and not Lucifer").
HIRIBI: God of Summer.
HIRGAB: Father of Eagles. Husband(?) of S,umul.
HAURON: A God that is related to Ninurta of Mesopotamia and Horus of Egyp
YAHWEH: Yahweh is added here because there was a short time in which He was simply
cupbearer along with Baal. Later, as the National God of lsrael, Yahweh was equated with'El, and Asherah became His wife. H.
part of the Canaanite pantheon. He was a Son c of El; and he was part of the court of El as
YAM-NAHAR: Yam-Nahar is the Primordial Waters that were defeated by Baal (see Baal and Asherah). His
name
means Sea-River. He was originally given kingship by El, and ruled
as a tyrant over the Gods. Baal finally rose up against him.
I keep hearing people say that Yahweh was part of the Canaanite pantheon, adopted later by the Israelites. The problem is, I never read that from anyone in Academia who can point to ancient written sources. Till now, when archaeologists and scholars find an inscription that mentions Yahweh, they immediately know it's Israelite, because Yahweh wasn't worshipped by the surrounding nations...-which is weird! Everyone shared their deities...except for Yahweh. Egyptians didn't worship him, nor Canaanites, nor Syrians or Mesopotamians...
Can you site any ancient Canaanite inscriptions that mention Yahweh?
@@Bimfirestarterthe Caanaites are the Hebrews, Jacob (Israel) came from Ur, which was Mesopotamia/Babylon.
@@Bimfirestarter 😀
@@Bimfirestarter get it
5 min sounds like the 10 fearful spies of Canaan describing themselves as grasshoppers before the peoples of that land!
Kind of like Osiris being scattered
The story sounds very similar to the horus and osirus story in the anunnaki tablets.
i just subscribed to your channel! Interesting!
@@mickymitts3031 welcome!
@DiscipleDojo yay!
11:40 The issue with saying it's a figure of speech is, and that God is merely copying or alluding to Ancient Near East beliefs is basically saying the ultimate reality (which includes physical reality) of the statements aren't true, and that He just mouths that off for our understanding, but basically just fluff of what potential He has, but nothing more.
In the Bible, figures of speech become literal true fulfilled things. For example, the Messianic prophecy that Jesus would not break any bones is a Hebrew idiom and figure of speech for moral integrity of spirit - it became literal and physical in the cross, He literally did not break any physical bones.
God's victory over the Leviathan Satan will be a physical, literal, real one, not just a conquest of and victory over generic evil concept.
That doesn't follow logically.
@@DiscipleDojo what makes the Bible the word of God is it makes the figurative and metaphorical real and physical in the real world.
Or else the Bible is just like any other religious book with fancy metaphors about their god but no reality, it's just different gods (and God) saying I did this and that, I'm the cloud rider, NO, I'm the cloud rider, you're not, with no substance since cloud riding didn't actually happen if it is just an allusion.
Peter calls the Bible the word of prophecy, and the test of prophecy is if something will actually happen in physical reality, not in metaphorical sense.
If the stuff the Bible says only is metaphorically true, then it fails its own test. By JUST alluding to ANE stories, it's just God trying to flatter Himself with delusions of grandeur in Job or wherever UNTIL it actually happens.
I’m curious about this myself. Have you ever heard about the Bible heaven, also in the Vatican vaults, which has 777 books?
The window is how lilith (don't know her ugaritic equivalent) gets in, no window so she can't slip in while he sleeps and steal his seed.
Is it true that in the Bible, sometimes when it says 'feet', it actually means 'genitals'
@@Cherokeeseeker yes
@@DiscipleDojo why?
This is good content. Especially if you've dabbled in the other myths and can connect the dots. He gives subtle hints in his dialog... that nearly all myths either retell the same story or are further developments of said story.
I wonder what the world will be like be like when the majority is finally able to realize this manipulation. We are decieved in many ways but this deception of how everything came to be is probably the greatest.
I'm beginning to think it's all by design though. Just how everything fell apart by design, everything will come back together by design.
Pretty much
Hosea 2:16 (NASB20)
“And it will come about on that day,” declares the LORD,
“That you will call Me my husband
And no longer call Me my Baal.
Amen
Severed heads and hands of Astereth's victims... reminds me of what was left of Queen Jezebell after she was torn appart by dogs. Only her head and hands were left. As an echo of what she left from the epic.
@@AbesUA-cam that's an intriguing thought
@@DiscipleDojo Each of the plagues in Egypt were a defiance of the supposed powers of the Egyptian deities. God was calling them out and publically pancing the false Gods, for all to see. Let the world know that they are a joke. Remember what God did to the statue of Dagon when the Ark was taken to the Philistine cities... Dagon lost his head and his hands too...
An interesting thing to me, is that, without the voyels Hadad HDD.
Which is similar to Hadid in Arabic meaning Iron or Metal.
To me this cycle explains smelting or metallurgy.
EL or L mean a staff.
Baal or BL means the house of staff.
This is about the birth of the iron age.
I enjoyed your videos thank you.
This is fascinating stuff! I've never really delved into the myths of the Canaanites, their literature and all that. I think perhaps it might be better to look at the similarities in the same vein of Flood stories. It's not that the Bible is ripping off older stories, but rather, everyone has a memory of these things. In this case, perhaps there was more data on the events of the Garden of Eden, the prophecy of the Offspring who would crush the serpent's head. You gotta know that this got distorted among the pagans. Seven-headed serpent? Like how Satan's depicted in Revelation? Wild stuff. Maybe the Israelites were already familiar with the concept well b4 Revelation was penned.
What is it with every single mythology, in every part of the world, having a storm god defeating a serpent/dragon?
I suspect the demons were attempting to fulfill the prophecy God gave in the garden that the offspring of the woman shall crush [the serpent's] head.
In the beginning all nations had the truth of the Son of God overcoming sin and death but they began to fall away from that truth and began to interpret it according to their own understanding and to ignore his laws. Well meaning people set up statues to try to keep the people in remembrance of what was good and true. But, after a while, the people began to worship those statues and thus idolatry was born. They are all the same because it is the remnant of the original truth of course highly corrupted, distorted, and altered.
@restoredephraimpublication1540 You are proposing that societies which predate Christianity, and a geologically isolated from the development of Christianity, somehow derived their mythologies retroactively from Christianity? Please explain why anyone should not think you to be completely delusional.
@gulfcitylibrarian5801 I am skeptical that religions which developed thousands of years before the writing of the Bible, and were geological isolated from the development of Christianity, based their mythologies on a passage from the Bible. Please explain how that would even happen.
@@AndrewJohnson-oy8oj Adam taught the gospel to his children. Noah taught the gospel to his children. If you don't believe in Adam or Noah then you will not believe this. Nevertheless it is true.
I believe that the Baal Saga about a Rogue Deity Baal who finds favor with the lord of the Gods due to his knowledge and mastership of lighting and storms. The Lord of the Gods invites all the gods to meet this deity and be charmed by him. The Sea God declined jealous of his father infatuation with Baal. Also, accuses him of stealing the waters from him and giving it to crops of his father, a lesser deity. In turn, the people love Baal and the Sea god is demanding Baal's death. The father god tries to appease the son by giving him a palace, but he still wants Baal's head. Baal beats him dismembers the body and then invites his sister, Anatu over to his dwelling. She is seduced by the fact that he has killed her brother, which she hates, and his knowledge of lightning. The "rain my waters upon you" theme is an allegory for sex.
I once worked at a car wash during a summer where we had waaaay more grasshoppers than usual. People would come in to wash their cars, and I'd clean up the wash bays after them, and there'd just be piles of dead grasshoppers everywhere; it was so gross to clean them up lol. So that one part with the warrior goddess and the hands just instantly took me back to that summer, lol. That imagery definitely meant something to me!
Is there an estimated date of these writings? 🤷♀️
Didnt the Israelites get yhwh from the Canaanites?
@@Cedricbennettjr not according to Genesis.
@DiscipleDojo Right... According the an Israelite... Yhwh Tetragrammaton was a Canaanite deity before Abram embraced "YAH".
Ive always been under the impression that "lord" in the bible was used to signify many different characters but in this instance it seems to be signifying enlil. Son of the most high God "El" who seems to also be zeus in greek pantheon? Correct me if im wrong... which in a nutshell would make ba'al which literally means owner or lord, couldve been in reference to any of the gods. Referencing this due to the fact that elohim is plural. But can be used to reference the singular ruler of the gods El. But haddad is the same figure as zeus and hadad, and jupiter, as well as Bel in babylonian culture. Once again, correct me if im wrong?
Asherah and Baal are both titles, rather than proper names; do you have any idea where these deities first became worshipped?
Also, it always fascinated me how "El" or "Il a" keeps recurring in Middle Eastern cultures as the Creator or Father of the pantheons.
Allah
Not too surprising. El seems to be in common use for ancient Hebrew. The names Samuel, Daniel, and Gabriel all revolve around a relation to God through the word El.
wouldn't the Zodiac age have been in The Bull during this time? I think that's why they thought "god" was a bull.
Reading these stories really does help to bring the old testament to life! It's evident that the God of Abraham Isaac and Isreal spoke to the people in a way they were used to hearing and using the imagery of the false gods to reveal Himself. Awesome!
evident to you
They may have created us in their image but it is evident to me non of them is the creator of all
@@hilkovanwalraven3111 The only Creator that made us in his image is the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob
@@jdaniel11405822 It could be interesting to look op the father of Abraham and the city he came from.
The civilization it was part of .
The origins of that civilization and the stories it produced .
I don't think Yahweh borrowed imagery from false religion; it's clear in the Bible that concept is repulsive to Him. But, like the Flood, the Genesis account preserves it in accurate though scant detail, whereas after the Flood when people again began to deviate from True Worship, they spread distorted versions of the Memory of real events. I think that's what's happening here. The Canaanites have distorted notions. I mean, if we're arguing from the Biblical perspective, Revelation describes Satan as a 7-headed monstrous serpent 'who misleads the entire inhabited Earth', so it follows that it is he and his agents that spread misinformation since ancient times to becloud the Truth.
To me, this is just the proof that men invented all those stories. Quite clearly
Great videos btw.
Maybe you answer this in other videos, so apologies if so. But how do we know that the writers of the Bible were taking from the Baal myth? Just because there is similar wording doesn’t necessarily mean one is taken from the other. But I’m genuinely asking how we know.
Perhaps it means the existence of other gods was also known to other nations of time before, and they believed in it, not necessarily that the writers of the Bible have taken from Baal myth. Perhaps God has given that knowledge to others, apparently, such knowledge has been circulating for ages until this day.
31:20 - It's written that all Scripture is inspired by God, so it's hard for me to believe that an Israelite scribe would just copy and paste from a pagan scribe and insert God's name in place of Baal. 🧐
That's right, it actually sounds ridiculous that they would do that. Really, they couldn't come up with their own story? Let's just remember that Satan is a liar, a FATHER of lies as the Bible depicts him, he has knowledge and knows how to lie from the beginning of this world.
If I'm inspired to write a piece of Bible now a days, and I know about the 'make America great again' speeches of Trump. Then I wrote in the Bible... God will make America great again.
I use known stories, and people will recognize it. But still, it will give full glory to God. So both can be truth, also in this ancient days. Using old and familiar stories is even mandatory, I think. To make clear, there is no possibility to use both deities...
Of course, you use concepts that are very familiar at that time.
And I'm from the Netherlands, so abusing mister Trump for this example, but I guess most people don't recognize a local example😂
Hope you can follow my thoughts since English is not my first language.
In America we do that. We have pagan holidays but we celebrate Christ on those days. So it's not that far-fetched. And plagiarism does exist. We arguably live during the most educated time frame of human existence. There are some people like my father who believe God appoints our president..... I'm Taking all the information with a grain of salt.
Anatu's description at 5:10 with hands as a belt and a necklace of heads is exactly like Kali from Hinduism.
I think the reason Baal said not to put a window was to make sure they completed building the house before making a window for his clouds to go out from. Safety insurance
Anatu is Kali from Hinduism! Look up Kali in google images. She wears heads around her neck and hands around her waist.
Cotor (spelling might be wrong but the guy who make's Baal's weapons from the last video) sounds like the greek god Hephaetus who fashioned Zeus's lighting bolts (his weapons).
I'm wondering if Anatu could have been male. @17:54 El - "I know you, my daughter, that you are a manly sort".
Given that Transgender is being prevalent today and most likely back then.
@@yourmahmah9630not only that, but most of the ritual “gender-bending” that happens in ancient religion is Hindu. Interesting
So if there are similar myths and stories from each culture with different names- Marduk(Baal) Tiamat(Yom), is there a source document that they derive from?
I imagine it all comes from the story of the tower of Babel and then they all went out with their own languages.
@@ColorsFlight Very likely
So Thanos was Yammu and Thor was Ba 'lu. First time "You should have gone for the head" second time thanos is slain and the entire audience cheers.
11:07 Anatu (is this Hel?) Thors sister?
15:37 house (temple)
35:52 "the earth shakes" so its not literal.
This is awesome. My mind is exploding with connections. You’ve surely noticed that paganism is coming in hot these days, filling the void left by the apostasy of the Western world. We need to know these stories and their symbols so that when we see them, as we did at the opening ceremonies of that weird sportsy event everyone watches, we will recognize them for what they are. Don’t kill me, but I’d love to hear Jonathan Pageau and Richard Rohlin walk through this story and give us their take on it.
Another connection is with ancient myths the world over about one (or more) of the great global catastrophes of the late Pleistocene and early to mid Holocene. That would include Noah’s Flood but also the events that happened at both ends of the Younger Dryas chronozone (one of which may align with Noah’s Flood, I don’t know - it’s hard to put the pieces together with the currently available evidence). In the Bible, other ANE literature, and oral traditions of people groups from Australia to Siberia to Peru, the references to devastating lightening storms and floods are not merely descriptions of God’s capabilities. They are memories of global catastrophes that occur once ever few thousand years. Sometimes, they are mostly about water, sometimes mostly about fire. It’s been a few thousand since the last one (the Flood). St. Peter told us that the next destruction of the world would be by fire. It may be almost upon us.
7:30 GOT: The Red Wedding.
Rob Stark and his mother and the heads of his army were slaughtered during a toast before the meal.
I wonder if anatu is a corruption / parallel of anantaa, which is another name for durga, a "benign" form of kali - who is exactly as described here.
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How do we know who lifted from who?
What does it matter? Just because cultures in proximity to each other use similar phrases or styles of storytelling doesn't mean one or the other is wrong or fake.
Are El (Ilu) and Ywh the same? Or distinctly different characters?
El is a biblical name for THE God, which yes, would be Ywh. Elohim is a biblical name for the entirety of celestial beings, other gods such as Sons of God, angels, and many other spiritual beings God created, the so-called "godhead". But El is the creator.
Anath sounds a lot like Kali.. The way she makes jewellery out of people's heads and limbs.
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Semitic languages use roots and then they use further conjugation or context to modify them.
Although, keshet generally means bow, it does not intrinsically mean a bow weapon. For example, keshet is also a rainbow. We derive that the meaning of KShT is (arcing forth in a trajectory). Therefore in this context with "matoth", keshet probably means a spear thrower and matot are probably javelins.
A lot of phrasing and words I recognize from Hamlet's Mill and the procession myths
Mills and boon
What are some thoughts about El Shaddai/Yhwh being originally being local and corporeal deity moving to a more transcendent, still corporeal, deity after the Babylonians destroyed his temple. Then NT moving into a completely transcendent deity.
Does it come across as natural progression of culture or adapting the deity to fit the current circumstances? Or both? If the latter two, does this create a theological problem?
SN: Rehab and Deber are deities often translated as pestilence I believe within Hebrew bible. Will have to look at the Hebrew to see it. Logos Bible Software is a great tool for this if anyone doesn't know.
(Excuse any grammatical errors please lol)
Yahweh, Indra, Zeus, and Thor are all described like Baal as thunder/storm gods. interesting similarities.
Yahweh isn't. He is the God of creation, sovereign over everything. Wind, lightning, the sea, fire, the land, light, plants, everything obeys Him.
Did you even watch this???
Exactly
@xn85d2 there was no Yahweh in whole story.
@@i_nehatiwari There's Yahweh in the Bible, though; YHWH is the name of God often translated as LORD in the Old Testament, which could be Jehovah or (more likely) Yahweh when you add the vowels back in. And it's @richardkersey4960 who I was replying to who attempted to compare them.
Anatu story sounds like the story of isis after her mate was killed and dismembered.
Nearly 4 decades ago I read a book that blended the (Greek, Norse & Roman - Gods) for a long time I would complain about how that book confused my understanding of those belief systems. Fast forward to today where all the books of the world exist at your fingertips and I realize what that author was trying to express… If you have ever wondered why the Christians referred to Norse beliefs as the old gods - This Video series makes it quite clear that they recognized them and already had a playbook on how to defeat them… I’m a strong believer that the names and linguistics may have changed but the meaning remains the same.
19:34 They used the same stock scripture from the myth of Baal and replaced Baal's name with Yahweh.
@@DJ_AVIONEX that's what polemical theology does.
Old testament is the same old story from Sumeria. The gospel of Jesus stands alone as unique and different from those old stories. Jesus said his father was not the father of the Jews in John 5.
How shamedul that a god begs and complains that he has no house. Can't even build his own house. Wouldn't that tell anyone at any time and space that baal has no powers?
You dont seem in the least bit interested in the father of Baal who seems to be a fallen angel
The father of Baal (Bel Marduk) is a Sumerian god named Anu.
@@stephencampbell2018 Ok, Anu means Sky God in Sumerian and Annunaki means those who came from the sky. Going back to Phoenecian/Canaanitic, the father of Baal is El or Dagan, the fertility/ploughing God. This El Elyon sounds similar to Elohim in Judaism and Allah in Islam, Ouranos in Greek, and Amun-Ra in Egyptian. Basically, Titan who is more ethereal than corporeal.
So Baal is Marduk. He is Nimrod.
32:45 70 sons. This has interesting parallels in the Bible.
It seems this translation assumes animals and wine are given. It seems possible. The wine is the blood of those animals.
The snake, serpent, the alike is referring to the sea also. The coiling serpent can equate to the sea waters. 7 headed serpent of chaos, 7 sea faring bad "rears" (apologies for original wording).
Alot of this imagery reminds me of a time following cataclysmic events, giving idea of the seven headed serpent of chaos.
It's just a bunch of puzzle pieces to what happened in ancient times. Just rolling theory over a lot of research. I may be way off, and if I am, I apologize, but I really think this theory may apply.
Ok ty
We all know whose prophecies came true and up until this day his covenant to his people he never breaks.
So learning about ancient myths of Gods is not idol worship....because you are learning about the ancient stories...you are not worshipping them.... or as I have always said....Know your enemies... the Italians have a better way of saying it..... Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer! See my rant below for my theory about who these so called Gods really were.
Sounds like Anatu is Kali -- righteous feminine anger. I thought I saw that Ba'al cast his eyes on her daughters?
So I wonder if it has something to do with the same aspects that Jehovah witnesses do not place windows in their churches for example Jehovah's' Witnesses do not want to be associated with Christianity and they don't want their buildings to look remotely related to a house of worship.
Psalms 22:12 (KJV) Many bulls have compassed me: strong [bulls] of Bashan have beset me round.
Beshan has a lot of significance throughout biblical text. That's a location to pay attention to. It's below Mt Hermon.
We do know a few events that happen on or around Mt. Hermon 🤣
JM, you have done nothing in this series so far to separate the God of the Hebrew Bible from the surrounding religions that pre-date it in that region. You assert the earlier religions are false but that the Hebrew beliefs are true. You have not shown how or why the Hebrew is any more than an evolution of the religions of that time and place.
This series has been educational, but not in the way you meant it to be. I know it is frightening, but look at the data without presuppositions.
@@joestfrancois what makes you think this is intended as an apologetic series? Not everything is aimed at skeptics.
@@DiscipleDojo Interesting, so are you conceding the God of the Hebrew Bible is simply an evolution of the religions of that time? That is not the only option of course, but many scholars will posit that position. With lots of references and so on.
@@joestfrancoiswhy take that assumption? Where are you getting that implication from JMs response and the series itself?
@@passionatetechnology8306 wrote "why take that assumption? Where are you getting that implication from JMs response and the series itself?"
Because he said it himself in comments on the first video. He has also spoken in other videos about rejecting things because they contradict the supernatural elements of the Judeo-Christian claims. He called them miracles, but whatever. JM's position on this stuff is no mystery.
I would have to agree with you on this. In India reading and seeing thier depictions in statue form ,what I see is all the stories were taken and new names put in place.
11:37 Isaiah was a rewrite of the Baal myth, because Baal is Yahweh aka Nanna/Sin.
@@DJ_AVIONEX incorrect.
@@DiscipleDojo Do you see a difference between Yahweh and Jesus?
Baal is Bel Marduk...who was Enlil...son of the god Anu. JHVH is Enki...son of the god Anu. They have been in disagreement over any # of things for at least 1/2 million years.
@@stephencampbell2018 King Jesus is Superior, Unique, and Mutually Exclusive. Above and beyond any of those Mesopotamian dieties. Amen.
It's horrifying to see people speaking such open blasphemy.
The origins of what pagans believe originates from the righteous and Godly man Noah and his 3 sons. The Lord almighty, through Abraham, restored what what had become corrupt.
The orgins of the Bi(bull) are stolen and plagiarized stories from the ancient Kingdoms of Mesopatamia and Egypt. The civilizations of Akaidians, Sumrians, Babyalonians, and Egyptians are the roots of the Abrahamic Death Cult religions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
Ba'lu is not Ba'al.
Could it be the holy grail? Sound like it is.
@@fadya3901 no.
@@DiscipleDojo short and concise 👍😆
One must remember that the Hebrew went from Canaan into Egypt during a famine and a few generations later went back to Canaan in the Exodus from Egypt. They shared history and religion with the Canaanites that remained in Canaan during the prior famine. It's not surprising that there are shared stories. Remember, too, that none of this was written into the Torah until the time of the Hebrew captivity in Babylon. This captivity after many years also explains the inclusion of certain Babylonian stories into the Torah, possibly because they explained certain "history" that wasn't as remembered as the Babylonian version. We will never know the complete truth as it is lost in time.
@@stevenmitchell6347 disagree on Torah being written after the captivity. I think the bulk of it dates to the 2nd millennium BCE.
I appreciate your willingness to explore the myths and legends of other cultures. However, I can’t help but chuckle a bit at your reference to “Stock” terms or phrases instead of acknowledging that the “Hebrews”, formed and altered their “Scripture” whenever another culture was encountered. I often wonder what their scriptures and beliefs would look like without the obvious influences of the Canaanites, Philistines, Babylonians, and Persians! Would “Satan” be as powerful without exposure to Zoroastrianism? What would the “Hebrew” calendar look like if they didn’t have the Canaanite calendar for a “Stock” calendar?😂
@@dewaynemiles1245 you mean what would Scripture look like if it weren't written within an actual historical setting with other cultures surrounding God's people? Who knows? Unlike the other religions of the ancient Near East, the Hebrew Bible is predicated upon YHWH interacting with His people within human history. 🤷
I believe that I understand your position and I respect your right to believe whatever you choose! However, it would appear that YHWH stepped out and consulted with the Gods of the surrounding cultures periodically before interacting with his “people”!
Regarding the similarity to the Hebrew and Caananite calendars- could the similarity be because Abrham was from Ur of the Chaldees?
@@donnaruby1304 While I believe that many things are possible, I must say that this particular thing might be a bit less likely. I say this for a number of reasons but the most basic ones come down to geography. UR was located in Sumer and while not too far away it was certainly farther away than their Caananite neighbors. Another reason would be all of the months in the "Hebrew" Calendar named after Caananite Gods!
It all happened like it was supposed to happen.
I see a lot of similarities. I was thinking about this the other day, well came down through Noah and his family, and they knew about God before this. Adam walked with God. God spoke to Noah and most scholars believe that Job was around her before Moses and Jacob and all of that. The old world before Judaism knew of God and so much of this was probably known by all these people, Noah and his sons knew stuff about God. They knew of God they knew these rules and ways to live in, though the law hadn’t been created and handed down to Moses, officially, God still spoken to people before this and no one has sons had stories from generations before and a lot of this sounds to me like a lot of very primitive beliefs from people who worship animals and stuff that’s just in their geographical vicinity and sort of make things up around it on his throne, and these things were probably things that everybody knew about God God just hadn’t given us the law at that time but had walked with God and they saw some of this face-to-face and I’m sure he talked to them and especially after they had send God interacted with others and lot of this seems to take basic elements that are kind of a given and then a lot of it just kind of Reminds me of primitive cultures that just sort of make things up about animals and stories and sort of turn into something else like a lot of mythology. Then a lot of it, especially about the brutality and the fighting and all of this stuff you see this a lot and primitive cultures too, and even in modern cultures where people try to boast and liking gang culture where people try to sort of empower themselves by their weaponry, see gang mentality people, and videos, holding their gun sideways and trying to show off and sitting around talking about how bad they are with their weapons and all the things they can do and a lot of it sort of, getting psyched up and adrenaline flow from feeling powerful because of these tools and weapons, and a lot of that from a psychological standpoint comes out of insecurity and trying to present yourself as dangerous so people will respect and fear you. When you’re reading about how he makes a weapon and it doesn’t work so he makes another weapon and crushes the head, I just kind of imagine like these dudes playing with nunchucks and have these cheap swords and stuff sitting around partying and talking about how bad they are, vicious and powerful they could be with their sword as they swing around and break. Mom’s lamp freak out because they’re about to get their butt whooped. I don’t mean to be rude and make fun of people, but this is just the general impression I get from a lot of this is these people who are sort of may be higher ranking and a tribal group or just amongst their friends like a gang sort of thing sitting aroundtalking smack about how cool they were showing off their weapons and talking about how hard-core and bad they were and all that they could powerful weapons😂😂 you see this in a lot of aspects of cultures, guys will come over and show off their tools and weapons and kind of talk. Smack about how no one can mess with them now because they’ve got all these or whatever. now they kind of play with their weapons and show off kind of boasting and showing often trying to put out this image that they’re really really hard-core and dangerous😂 I think a lot of the stuff at the core was probably at one time stemming from the truth about the real God, but then they get off into talking about weird stuff and it just seems very boastful and like bragging and showing off and just kind of petty fake showboating element of it, and we see that in modern society, especially in like a gang society or something where people are growing up in dangerous areas and kind of banned together and try to psych each other up as a way of dealing with the pressures of living in a danger zone, like some of the stuff was talking about some of their gods sounds like a giant anaconda, snake or something they saw and just started calling it a God like a lot of primitive cultures in the Amazon and stuff, worship, jaguars, and tigers and big snakes and just kind of tough animals that are dangerous.
From our religious standpoint, a lot of this seems very foolish, but from a psychological standpoint, it seems very common and reminiscence of behavior, monks, people throughout the ages and generations, and just sort of a common behavior of how people just sit around and talk smack and make stuff up and then a few generations down the line the stories get a little exaggerated on and puffed up a little and it goes from. He was the toughest dude in the neighborhood and a few generations later all of a sudden now he’s the toughest God in this part of the world or whatever . It’s all very predictable. That’s one thing I noticed about reading the Bible and the old testament. Is you kind of surprised a lot because things aren’t quite as predictable and normal as if they were derived out of common human behavior and folklore, the Bible is very specific and it was a lot of God just telling people how it is And unusual situations that were obviously the hand of God. The story sound like some dude built primitive, handmade weapon and smacked a snake over the head like one of those 30 foot anacondas or something and sort of part of a big story in the neighborhood through the telephone game and being repeated over and over through the years, turned it into, a primitive religion. And we still see that in modern times there’s culture even just a couple decades ago that would like about bad bad Leroy Brown and they wrote songs about him and stuff and a dude from a big fight sort of turned into an urban legend, who is bigger than life, and a lot of this kind of has that same sort of tone to it
This reminds me also of Shiva and the gods wearing all of the skulls as a necklace. Why so simular?
Yam is another name for a common god known in most ancient cultures. Unless I am seriously wrong, Yam is also called EA, Enki, Ptah, Poseidon, Shiva, and probably many others. Of that list I just mentioned, Yam is the only one I am unsure of. One clue to know this god is the same god is the weapon called the trident. 🔱. Shiva and Poseidon are both commonly portrayed holding this weapon. Associated with the planet Neptune. Hope this helps.
An interesting addition to all of this… we are speaking of the god referred to as the serpent in the garden of Eden. Although this was changed to Satan (which means the adversary or enemy in Hebrew). Although I believe that this was intentionally changed because in alternative stories of the garden of Eden, the god Enlil or El is referred to as the Satan of the garden of Eden, in which “Satan” is a title that means “the administrator”. Enlil or El is the voice that asks Adam “how do you know you are naked?” Enki, the serpent, is the father of Ningizshida (also Thoth in Egypt and Quetzalcoatl in Central America). Quetzalcoatl is known as the feathered serpent, son of Enki … the serpent from the garden of Eden. The serpent is referenced in regard to Enki bloodline in many cultures.
See depictions of Shiva. Notice that there are usually cobras (serpents) around him.
I stand by all that but I may have been corrected on Yams identity. He may not be the same as Ea Enki. After conversation with others I would say to research Yam for yourself if interested. I stand by my words about who Enki is though.
18:04 "But...that's El" 😂😂😂😂
'Vir' in Sanskrit means “to subdue, to overpower, to tear open, to display heroism.” 'go' means Cow. together they create the Latin word for Virgin, in Latin, 'vir' means Man, 'gin' is from Greek 'gyne' mean Woman.
Dumu means son or Daughter, 'nin means Lady, there is no Girl in Sumerian, other than dumu munus, woman or young woman maybe. The wife of the Door Keeper is Nisaba, the goddess of grain, the star Spica in Virgo.
September 4th thru the 8th 2040 is when all the visible planets align with Spica, looking like the Sword of Judgement, the 8th is the birthday of Mary, the New Moon took place on the 6th, the 8th is the first day you see it's little horns.
@@MrBlazingup420 that all has nothing to do with this video.
@@DiscipleDojo This is about the dying and rising vegetation god, isn't it, they are all the same, I use Damu is all, take a look at Alla-gula, the Sukkal (Messenger)for lord of the Good Tree. I'm waiting for a taxi, or I would show you more, I'll try and get back to this comment in a day or two, when I get back, This isn't my only comment, I have a couple more.
Sounds like the power struggle within the world of Edlen Ring. Spoiler, it doesn't end well for the kingdom. On a serious note, similarities between ancient texts regarding the "gods" and God the Father would be expected if they are the fallen trying to emulate the one true God. They witnessed the Glory first hand before the fall and would be very familiar with what to copy in order to deceive mankind as their final act of rebellion.
Does anyone remember MEDEA
This kinds of the god story telling sounds very similar to the Hindu gods stories!
The Hebrews spent 420 years in Egypt.
The Tabernacle was modeled after the Egyptian Pharoah's mobile home on trips and war campaigns.
The Moses Exodus would not have had Baal imagery. The people knew Ra and Egypt.
After the Hebrews took control of Canaan with such dominance as the walls of Jericho falling down AND the Bible says that generation or the next followed God well before rebellion began to really become a problem, therefore IS it possible Baal and Asherah polls were created in response to the Hebrews powerful God?
There is a lot of language similarities between this and the Bible, but we don't know who influenced who?
This sounds a lot like the Norse Etta’s
How do you know for sure that Habbakuk draws from this epic and rather that it's not the other way around? Perhaps there were older oral traditions concerning Yahweh that the Baal worshippers drew from. It also draws from the story of the Israelites in Exodus describing themselves as grasshoppers. Personally, after archeological study, I believe Abrahams leaving Ur to have occurred the era either during immediately following Sargon the Akkad. Many believe there to be a similitude between Ea as described by priestess Enhuedanna (Sargon's niece) and her Goddess Inanna (supposedly the niece of Ea who stole all the maces/me's by getting Ea drunk and seducing him. I believe this because of how Inanna is discussed in I believe this story to be a deeper metaphor for what was described in Genesis concerning the early days of man (in Mesopotamia). It says that in the early days, man called upon the Lord (Yahweh) for they still knew him. But as time went, they fell for the seductions of the Nephilim (sons of God) who had fallen from Heaven. These fallen ones taught the humans things like child sacrifice, seduction/manipulation, witchcraft and sorcery/divining, imperialism and domination, etc When you start to look at things through this lens, these mythologies compared to the Biblical accounts make actual historical sense! I definitely recommend diving more into the old testament books. There is a lot there to explain the differences and similitudes. One could write an entire book on it!
When she wears the parts of her enemies it reminds me of Indian myths.
The beginning has similarities w/the biblical story of David and Goliath imo...