After a toxic communication, I watched your speech, reminded myself about the sacred bond, went back to my starting point - a animal liberation world worth to fight for, then started the other communication with kind. It do help me to win back my mindfulness , THANK YOU !
I find it hard to refrain from being toxic both in communicating with others and myself. Like she said, we feel traumatised and then we lash out. These tips are very good.
I love Melanie Joy, it's extremely important to talk about effective and healthy communication. She makes great points, which most vegans don't embrace. I think it's because we sometimes forget how it was before going vegan. I try to empathize with people (vegans and pre-vegans) as much as possible, understand where they're coming from, especially when met with toxic behavior. It's sometimes hard, but the practice of mindfulness helps. When it doesn't work I surround myself with positive messages and disengage until I'm calm and able to process the situation.
Thank you so much, Melanie!! You are the strongest bond that is keeping me connected to the vegan movement. For health reasons, I stopped being active in the vegan community two years ago because the trauma and how people were dealing with it in dysfunctional, toxic ways within the movement interacted with and exacerbated my illness to a point where I no longer had the energy to deal with both. So at this point, to answer your question, I actively disengaged from these environments that were toxic to me (including queer intersectional feminist work, as well) for recovery. I intend to re-engage and become active again (once my health and financial situation will enable me to), find safer spaces with more empathic communication structures, and call out toxic behaviours and comments as much as I'll have the energy to do so. You are probably the one most influential and visible person in the movement who gives me the motivation and hope that it will be possible in the future to continue my activism as a chronically ill, disabled person in ways that are healthy for me. The change you are making, just the impact your talks, activism, and way of communication has on me is invaluable. Thank you so much !!! As a question back to you and for the community: How do you feel about the attitudes, behaviours, communications etc. of people in the vegan movement, particularly among Effective Altruism circles, toward disability and/or chronic illness today? While I am aware of past and recent conflicts (for example, around Peter Singer and Jeff McMahan), I strongly agree or sympathise with the EA approach, particularly, as I understand (in theory) it seeks to abolish racism, sexism, ableism, classism, heteronormativity, antisemitism, and other oppressive social structures. However, living with chronic illness and disability, I have often felt uncomfortable, very anxious, ostracised, and all together reluctant to join EA circles or organisations, as my personal capability, and therefore productivity, varies so much from what I perceive as being expected (i.e., I do not apply for jobs or volunteer in EA organisations because I feel their limited resources would be spent better on a "higher functioning" person without chronic health problems). Is that just my personal perception or have others made similar experiences? xoxo Sonny
I am a fan of Melanie Joy's work :) What helps for me is really understanding the perspective of the person who is talking in a toxic way and not taking it personally. I found that many people who talk in a toxic way have very sad/hurtful beliefs/experiences. To some extend we are all 'broken' people, breaking other people on our turn. What also helps me to ask myself "What terrible things could ever drive me to talk the way they do?" and then say to myself "I am grateful I am not standing in their shoes."
One toxic person in a group can affect the group's performance by 30-40%. Wow, that had a real impact on me. We really need to all work together on this problem. We need to put our differences and disagreements aside. This issue isn't even about us, this is about stopping the suffering of billions and billions of sentient beings. It's not worth fighting and arguing if that's just going to hurt what we want to achieve.
A big problem is too, our thinking needs more positive words or pictures, for to can come, on a good feeling way, (and harmony with nature again). If humans reading, looking videos, or something else, what are the words, or behaviors, and fill up thinking and abillity to handle and make good feelings? (Just for example: counting the positive and negative words by something reading).
When I was founding a chapter of the save movement in my city I was faced with SO much hate and criticism and very toxic communication from another organisation. (includng public shaming on social media on the official fb page of that organisation) It was really hard not to give up since not only them but the slaughterhouse also was against my idea. But I reacted in the most compassionate and kindest way I could and tried to understand where they're coming from instead of getting angry back and shaming their work just because of our differences. Even if I don't think their events are the most effective for the animals, I showed them support and appreciated their effort, even when they tried to attack me. I explained to them, that I like their events but I also wanted to start something new. After many conversations I offered them to work together since we have the same goal but still the leader of the organisation rejected me and my work. It created a sort of "them against us" mentality but nevertheless, the co-organizer and other members of the other organisation decided to attend the vigils and supported the idea even if they were criticising before. Now we have Save people attending the other events and people from the other organisation attending Save vigils. Since then the hate stopped and it seems like the leader of the other orga at least tolerates our events. Unfortunately ego is another big problem in the vegan community....But that experience just showed me how important it is to communicate compassionately and effectively instead of letting your emotions lead your reactions. We need to learn more about using our brain when it comes to communication.
I think if they can't see how you're helping, they're worried you're taking money that they could receive and using that to do something that will not work. All you have to do is prove that what you do helps, and most animal activists will stop attacking your ideas, that is if they're not just thinking about their own profits, over helping animals. :)
I had an epiphany while watching this and the last powerful image of a sister leaning into the loving face of another crying before they are taken to their unimaginable fate brought it home and brought me to tears of how deeply I love others and self . Thank you so much for your wisedom and courage to share it , this has helped my spiritual growth to expand as a Love Being
The toxic environment has been a recurring issue, I am glad Melanie Joy made a speech about this topic, I think it is very important for communication is what got us this far and it is what made this movement possible. It's encouraging every time for me to see people are out there doing something and creating something for a better future and that also empowers me and keeps me going. Slaughter footages are indeed horrible to look at, but knowing there are people creating these and putting days and years to investigate and filming, nothing gives me more strength when I see new similar work being made. I certainly would not feed off from hatred by watching these footages, they are the very proof and evidence that passionate people worked hard to provide so that we can use to inform the public. That's what I see when I hear a new documentary about animal agriculture are released. I have often asked people to be respectful on internet conversations but it seems that the 'tone policing' is a better solution for it's not phrased in a way of authority power, what a brilliant concept by a tap on the shoulder and let them think for themselves. I was attacked by asking nicely to not contribute to a negative environment, and that I should mind my own business because I am not the admin(which somehow meant nothing I say can prove of any value). So I will definitely try 'tone policing' when I got the opportunity. Thank you for sharing her work.
Thank you so much for sharing this super valuable & insightful information. Very helpful. Binge watching Melanie Joy's presentations here, loving the insightfulness.
This made me almost cry. Very inspiring. Personally, I have a lot of difficulties with toxic communication. I retreat instantly or I fight ten times harder back. The only thing that makes me feel a bit better is talking to other people about it and feeling their support.
For me, the best lesson to learn in life is not to take anything personally. It's difficult to do because we instantly feel defensive when we feel verbally attacked by someone, but understanding that they do what they do for their reasons really helps. You cannot be responsible for other peoples behavior, but you can take your own ego out of the equation by being compassionate.
I have with drawn my energy from disrespectful verbal and none verbal situations within the Vegan movement but knowing in my heart they meant me no harm and feeling deep gratitude for their positive part within the change they are implementing. I am extremely forgiving and practice forgiveness and compassion for others especially when my heart is almost empty. This is how I fill it up again. I have also inadvertantly been disrespectful of others and hurt them never meaning to and I now feel mortified and sad, So I am aware I need to go look them in the eye and sincerely apologise. I hope I have the courage to do this .As I never want to hurt others and this affects as a community our long term goal of being truely loving, peaceful beings at one with everything and everyone so that we can all co exist on this beautiful beautiful Planet Heart (Earth) Thank you to every single being whom has done or intended to bring this positive change into place , to all my brothers and sisters Human and none human animals , my deepest love and respect for you all
Thank you for this amazing talk. You are someone who I really look up to and your work has helped me so much in whatever I do for animals. It has helped me connect so much better with people whose focus is only dogs or rescues and also with those who are not at all aware of speciesism. It has also greatly helped me deal with my own emotions in my work for animals. Whatever you say makes so much sense and it also helps me apply it practically. It has helped me become aware of my emotions of anger and frustration with people who just don't "get it" and helped me deal with the situation in a much better manner than I did before. Thank you for all that you do. About your question about how to handle toxic communication: I personally try to communicate for a short while and if it continues, I move away and focus on more productive work. I don't think it resolves the issue, but I feel that it really isn't worth my time or emotional health to keep responding to toxicity. I rarely block anyone though.
Toxic communication (angry people and absolutes) kept me away from veganism for years. I wish I would have put that aside and realised that it was just people's opinions of the subject. We all start somewhere. What a great speech.
I respect Anonymous for the Voiceless (AV) and supported some of their Florida chapters for several months. Seeing the graphic images of animals getting exploited on monitors (which for the purpose of AV is to elicit conversations about morality with bystanders) has become a heavy burden for me to witness, making me feel I suffer from STSD. I backed off from many of these events as well as most social media discussions on the topic. This video has helped to bring sight into what we do and how we can do things successfully or unsuccessfully. I care about animals and the environment so will continue to support the cause but in ways I do not burn myself out emotionally or physically.
Nah, I'm going to do my best to make sure most of the world is vegan before I die. I can't worry too much about people getting upset, but what I can do is, if I see them get upset, aim to cheer them up and relax a little.
After toxic communication, i keep distance, and stay alone, walking alone for some hours in the forest. I know, that character and habbits are going on, over the time of tender childhood, and a child didn't know anything, if its born. In this matter: no guilty, but: to heal toxic people need very much time. Next generations, needs happy childhood, emotional empathy, respect and the wish, to can live in harmony with nature again. Humans wanna bring wellbeing into live. For Humans, Animals and Nature. Thats why humans here on planet earth.
Dear Dr Melanie Joy could you give some pointers of how to have an activist discussion with farmers? We were really struggling yesterday during our Cube when talking to a farmer. How do you start.. what do you ask them. They know the process better than anyone else and still do what they do. So what do we say? Same question for a slaughter house worker? Thank you for what you do, you give us such great tools and the things ease my worrying mind ❤
That reminds me how toxic most of the communication was a few weeks ago among the activists (from both "sides") and the problematic concerning Anonymous for the Voiceless. Unfortunately Paul an Asals communication can be very toxic, too :-(.
I appreciate the message but also don't like the vagueness of "you don't have to be a perfect vegan all the time". I can't stand people labeling themselves as vegan who go out and willingly consume animals or animal products. I don't think that was what you meant by that, but it can definitely be taken that way.
Do you think this is problematic? I think the vegan movement benefits from people identifying as vegans even if they are not very strict. IMO it is more important that they make it appear to be "normal" to be a vegan. And by identifying as a vegan they probably consume very little animal products anyway. On the other side I often heard the statement "It´s okay. I can eat this (animal product) because I´m not a vegan." So I´d rather have 98% veganish people identifying as vegans and then at least care about what they are eating.
Well, you need to stop living in Candyland and support any, even the tiniest and imperfect move toward veganism. Neither of us is a good person, or well-behaved all the time, so it's really doesn't for killing if somebody is not a perfect vegan all the time. We really need to support anybody who is eating less meat and dairy products, not wearing fur and leather, use animal cruelty or vegan cosmetics. We need to stop with Nazi behavior because is contra productive.
@@manuelelzer2310 watering down the definition to appease oppressors is never a good idea i bet you'd not use the same justification for some human rights issues, say for example feminism, you wouldn't want others identifying as feminists who are not 100percent on board about equal rights and who occassionally assault a woman but label themselves as feminists
Let's have nice interactions instead :) Whatever we're doing here, we're good people :) We want there to be less suffering in the world, we don't want to harm others :) Much love
Bystanders are watching how we treat each other and judging the vegan movement based on that. If you care about the success of the vegan movement for the animals you should pay close attention to what she is saying.
The best way to destroy veganism is by reversing the process and move all focus from the animals back to humans. Then one day the animals will be completely forgotten again, and then one day someone will say: hey! Let's invent veganism and fight for animal rights, and then things can start all over again, untill the first black, gay, trans or person from another minority starts crying because animals being tortured and slaughtered are getting more attention than him/she/it and his/her/its first world problems.
![How Vegans Can Create Healthy Relationships and Communicate Effectively - Melanie Joy [IARC2017]](/img/n.gif)
After a toxic communication, I watched your speech, reminded myself about the sacred bond, went back to my starting point - a animal liberation world worth to fight for, then started the other communication with kind.
It do help me to win back my mindfulness , THANK YOU !
I find it hard to refrain from being toxic both in communicating with others and myself. Like she said, we feel traumatised and then we lash out. These tips are very good.
I love Melanie Joy, it's extremely important to talk about effective and healthy communication. She makes great points, which most vegans don't embrace. I think it's because we sometimes forget how it was before going vegan. I try to empathize with people (vegans and pre-vegans) as much as possible, understand where they're coming from, especially when met with toxic behavior. It's sometimes hard, but the practice of mindfulness helps. When it doesn't work I surround myself with positive messages and disengage until I'm calm and able to process the situation.
Piotr : ) this is what I do too , I find it a very effective tool
Thank you so much, Melanie!!
You are the strongest bond that is keeping me connected to the vegan movement. For health reasons, I stopped being active in the vegan community two years ago because the trauma and how people were dealing with it in dysfunctional, toxic ways within the movement interacted with and exacerbated my illness to a point where I no longer had the energy to deal with both. So at this point, to answer your question, I actively disengaged from these environments that were toxic to me (including queer intersectional feminist work, as well) for recovery. I intend to re-engage and become active again (once my health and financial situation will enable me to), find safer spaces with more empathic communication structures, and call out toxic behaviours and comments as much as I'll have the energy to do so. You are probably the one most influential and visible person in the movement who gives me the motivation and hope that it will be possible in the future to continue my activism as a chronically ill, disabled person in ways that are healthy for me. The change you are making, just the impact your talks, activism, and way of communication has on me is invaluable. Thank you so much !!!
As a question back to you and for the community: How do you feel about the attitudes, behaviours, communications etc. of people in the vegan movement, particularly among Effective Altruism circles, toward disability and/or chronic illness today? While I am aware of past and recent conflicts (for example, around Peter Singer and Jeff McMahan), I strongly agree or sympathise with the EA approach, particularly, as I understand (in theory) it seeks to abolish racism, sexism, ableism, classism, heteronormativity, antisemitism, and other oppressive social structures. However, living with chronic illness and disability, I have often felt uncomfortable, very anxious, ostracised, and all together reluctant to join EA circles or organisations, as my personal capability, and therefore productivity, varies so much from what I perceive as being expected (i.e., I do not apply for jobs or volunteer in EA organisations because I feel their limited resources would be spent better on a "higher functioning" person without chronic health problems). Is that just my personal perception or have others made similar experiences? xoxo Sonny
I am a fan of Melanie Joy's work :)
What helps for me is really understanding the perspective of the person who is talking in a toxic way and not taking it personally. I found that many people who talk in a toxic way have very sad/hurtful beliefs/experiences. To some extend we are all 'broken' people, breaking other people on our turn. What also helps me to ask myself "What terrible things could ever drive me to talk the way they do?" and then say to myself "I am grateful I am not standing in their shoes."
One toxic person in a group can affect the group's performance by 30-40%. Wow, that had a real impact on me. We really need to all work together on this problem. We need to put our differences and disagreements aside. This issue isn't even about us, this is about stopping the suffering of billions and billions of sentient beings. It's not worth fighting and arguing if that's just going to hurt what we want to achieve.
A big problem is too, our thinking needs more positive words or pictures, for to can come, on a good feeling way, (and harmony with nature again).
If humans reading, looking videos, or something else, what are the words, or behaviors, and fill up thinking and abillity to handle and make good feelings?
(Just for example: counting the positive and negative words by something reading).
When I was founding a chapter of the save movement in my city I was faced with SO much hate and criticism and very toxic communication from another organisation. (includng public shaming on social media on the official fb page of that organisation) It was really hard not to give up since not only them but the slaughterhouse also was against my idea. But I reacted in the most compassionate and kindest way I could and tried to understand where they're coming from instead of getting angry back and shaming their work just because of our differences. Even if I don't think their events are the most effective for the animals, I showed them support and appreciated their effort, even when they tried to attack me. I explained to them, that I like their events but I also wanted to start something new. After many conversations I offered them to work together since we have the same goal but still the leader of the organisation rejected me and my work. It created a sort of "them against us" mentality but nevertheless, the co-organizer and other members of the other organisation decided to attend the vigils and supported the idea even if they were criticising before. Now we have Save people attending the other events and people from the other organisation attending Save vigils. Since then the hate stopped and it seems like the leader of the other orga at least tolerates our events. Unfortunately ego is another big problem in the vegan community....But that experience just showed me how important it is to communicate compassionately and effectively instead of letting your emotions lead your reactions. We need to learn more about using our brain when it comes to communication.
So proud of you and thank you so much for sticking with it and doing what you do
thank you
you're amazing Rebecca ❤️
thank you Seb
I think if they can't see how you're helping, they're worried you're taking money that they could receive and using that to do something that will not work. All you have to do is prove that what you do helps, and most animal activists will stop attacking your ideas, that is if they're not just thinking about their own profits, over helping animals. :)
I had an epiphany while watching this and the last powerful image of a sister leaning into the loving face of another crying before they are taken to their unimaginable fate brought it home and brought me to tears of how deeply I love others and self . Thank you so much for your wisedom and courage to share it , this has helped my spiritual growth to expand as a Love Being
The toxic environment has been a recurring issue, I am glad Melanie Joy made a speech about this topic, I think it is very important for communication is what got us this far and it is what made this movement possible. It's encouraging every time for me to see people are out there doing something and creating something for a better future and that also empowers me and keeps me going. Slaughter footages are indeed horrible to look at, but knowing there are people creating these and putting days and years to investigate and filming, nothing gives me more strength when I see new similar work being made. I certainly would not feed off from hatred by watching these footages, they are the very proof and evidence that passionate people worked hard to provide so that we can use to inform the public. That's what I see when I hear a new documentary about animal agriculture are released.
I have often asked people to be respectful on internet conversations but it seems that the 'tone policing' is a better solution for it's not phrased in a way of authority power, what a brilliant concept by a tap on the shoulder and let them think for themselves.
I was attacked by asking nicely to not contribute to a negative environment, and that I should mind my own business because I am not the admin(which somehow meant nothing I say can prove of any value). So I will definitely try 'tone policing' when I got the opportunity.
Thank you for sharing her work.
I love Melanie. 💚💚💚
Thx Melanie Joy,... you inspire so many Peoples ... Glad to have you onboard of our Community - Big Family ..thx ;-)
Thank you so much for sharing this super valuable & insightful information. Very helpful. Binge watching Melanie Joy's presentations here, loving the insightfulness.
This made me almost cry. Very inspiring. Personally, I have a lot of difficulties with toxic communication. I retreat instantly or I fight ten times harder back. The only thing that makes me feel a bit better is talking to other people about it and feeling their support.
Excellent speech!! Thanks Dr Melanie Joy.
This speech, extrapolated from the contest of the vegan movement and purpose, sounds even more meaningful and powerful. Beyond veganism.
Thank you Melanie, again you inspire me to keep on working for the vegan movement. We are winning!
For me, the best lesson to learn in life is not to take anything personally. It's difficult to do because we instantly feel defensive when we feel verbally attacked by someone, but understanding that they do what they do for their reasons really helps. You cannot be responsible for other peoples behavior, but you can take your own ego out of the equation by being compassionate.
I have with drawn my energy from disrespectful verbal and none verbal situations within the Vegan movement but knowing in my heart they meant me no harm and feeling deep gratitude for their positive part within the change they are implementing. I am extremely forgiving and practice forgiveness and compassion for others especially when my heart is almost empty. This is how I fill it up again.
I have also inadvertantly been disrespectful of others and hurt them never meaning to and I now feel mortified and sad, So I am aware I need to go look them in the eye and sincerely apologise. I hope I have the courage to do this .As I never want to hurt others and this affects as a community our long term goal of being truely loving, peaceful beings at one with everything and everyone so that we can all co exist on this beautiful beautiful Planet Heart (Earth) Thank you to every single being whom has done or intended to bring this positive change into place , to all my brothers and sisters Human and none human animals , my deepest love and respect for you all
This was a phenomenal speech, I truly enjoyed it.
Thank you Melanie, very interesting and also very important.
Thank you for this amazing talk. You are someone who I really look up to and your work has helped me so much in whatever I do for animals. It has helped me connect so much better with people whose focus is only dogs or rescues and also with those who are not at all aware of speciesism. It has also greatly helped me deal with my own emotions in my work for animals. Whatever you say makes so much sense and it also helps me apply it practically. It has helped me become aware of my emotions of anger and frustration with people who just don't "get it" and helped me deal with the situation in a much better manner than I did before. Thank you for all that you do.
About your question about how to handle toxic communication: I personally try to communicate for a short while and if it continues, I move away and focus on more productive work. I don't think it resolves the issue, but I feel that it really isn't worth my time or emotional health to keep responding to toxicity. I rarely block anyone though.
Again this is what I do as we can come back after taking time out more energised and from a calm compassionate place
Toxic communication (angry people and absolutes) kept me away from veganism for years. I wish I would have put that aside and realised that it was just people's opinions of the subject. We all start somewhere. What a great speech.
recommend watching the video "How Being Ashamed of a Truth Causes You to Gaslight People"
Ms. Joy's vedios have helped me so much to be a better advocate for the animals
Just, Wow! Incredible speech.
I respect Anonymous for the Voiceless (AV) and supported some of their Florida chapters for several months. Seeing the graphic images of animals getting exploited on monitors (which for the purpose of AV is to elicit conversations about morality with bystanders) has become a heavy burden for me to witness, making me feel I suffer from STSD. I backed off from many of these events as well as most social media discussions on the topic. This video has helped to bring sight into what we do and how we can do things successfully or unsuccessfully. I care about animals and the environment so will continue to support the cause but in ways I do not burn myself out emotionally or physically.
Thank you for everything Melanie
As always, MJ gives an excellent and inspiring presentation. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you Melanie
Thank you so much for uploading all these videos!! Will you upload the talk by Jacy Reese? I am quite interested in his talk. Thank you!!
amazing speech. very helpful. thank you. i will look for more of her work.
Super amazing and insightful! Thank you 💕
I appreciate this so much ❤️
Nah, I'm going to do my best to make sure most of the world is vegan before I die.
I can't worry too much about people getting upset, but what I can do is, if I see them get upset, aim to cheer them up and relax a little.
After toxic communication, i keep distance, and stay alone, walking alone for some hours in the forest. I know, that character and habbits are going on, over the time of tender childhood, and a child didn't know anything, if its born. In this matter: no guilty, but: to heal toxic people need very much time.
Next generations, needs happy childhood, emotional empathy, respect and the wish, to can live in harmony with nature again.
Humans wanna bring wellbeing into live. For Humans, Animals and Nature. Thats why humans here on planet earth.
Amazing super inspiring information which we all should take as principle of life
Dear Dr Melanie Joy could you give some pointers of how to have an activist discussion with farmers? We were really struggling yesterday during our Cube when talking to a farmer. How do you start.. what do you ask them. They know the process better than anyone else and still do what they do. So what do we say? Same question for a slaughter house worker?
Thank you for what you do, you give us such great tools and the things ease my worrying mind ❤
Be Gandhi among the British.
Thanks for uploading those videos!
You're wellcome. Please share on all platforms. Thank you! :-)
That reminds me how toxic most of the communication was a few weeks ago among the activists (from both "sides") and the problematic concerning Anonymous for the Voiceless. Unfortunately Paul an Asals communication can be very toxic, too :-(.
So awesome 👏🏻 ❤️
shaming works for women and children.
for me shaming is worse than insult.
I appreciate the message but also don't like the vagueness of "you don't have to be a perfect vegan all the time". I can't stand people labeling themselves as vegan who go out and willingly consume animals or animal products. I don't think that was what you meant by that, but it can definitely be taken that way.
Do you think this is problematic? I think the vegan movement benefits from people identifying as vegans even if they are not very strict. IMO it is more important that they make it appear to be "normal" to be a vegan. And by identifying as a vegan they probably consume very little animal products anyway. On the other side I often heard the statement "It´s okay. I can eat this (animal product) because I´m not a vegan." So I´d rather have 98% veganish people identifying as vegans and then at least care about what they are eating.
Well, you need to stop living in Candyland and support any, even the tiniest and imperfect move toward veganism. Neither of us is a good person, or well-behaved all the time, so it's really doesn't for killing if somebody is not a perfect vegan all the time. We really need to support anybody who is eating less meat and dairy products, not wearing fur and leather, use animal cruelty or vegan cosmetics. We need to stop with Nazi behavior because is contra productive.
@@manuelelzer2310 watering down the definition to appease oppressors is never a good idea
i bet you'd not use the same justification for some human rights issues, say for example feminism, you wouldn't want others identifying as feminists who are not 100percent on board about equal rights and who occassionally assault a woman but label themselves as feminists
Like I ever say: veganism shall be selfconfidently!
Ironic, isn't it? I feel Melanie Joy damages the vegan movement.
Anyone wanna tldr this?
Jane wrote a summary of this talk:
janeunchained.com/2018/09/09/the-must-watch-speech-by-dr-melanie-joy-luxembourg-animal-rights-conference-2018/
Who the f*** gives a thumb down on something like this? Perhaps those toxic people she talked about?
7:48
This has nothing to do with animal rights and tons to do with how not to take animal rights seriously.
Let's have nice interactions instead :) Whatever we're doing here, we're good people :) We want there to be less suffering in the world, we don't want to harm others :) Much love
Bystanders are watching how we treat each other and judging the vegan movement based on that. If you care about the success of the vegan movement for the animals you should pay close attention to what she is saying.
I wonder if you watched it?
Eeew. Apologetic vegan. Not helping the movement.
I wish there was this much passion against the killing of human babies!
The best way to destroy veganism is by reversing the process and move all focus from the animals back to humans. Then one day the animals will be completely forgotten again, and then one day someone will say: hey! Let's invent veganism and fight for animal rights, and then things can start all over again, untill the first black, gay, trans or person from another minority starts crying because animals being tortured and slaughtered are getting more attention than him/she/it and his/her/its first world problems.
🍖🍗🍔🌭🌮
I see you seem to be a clean meat supporter? ;)
@@VeganKanal oh yes of course that's what it means
🐷🐑🐰🦃🐔🐓🐥🐟
That's so nice of you darling.