So I'm not the only one who sees her genius :-) I've been enfatuated with her lectures ever since I saw the first official one on the psychology of carnism. There's no doubt she is one of the leading personalities of veganism. I'm so grateful I stumbled over her lecture those ca. 2 years ago.
I downloaded this Melanie amazing! I sometimes fall off track but now that I have this downloaded I’ll revisit when that starts to happen. I worked as an inspector in this industry, now activist I speak out as much as I can, even created a UA-cam channel. I’m working on the fulfilled part .. thanks so much
"People have to be ready to change." So true. For myself, I had to be in a healthy enough mindspace to be willing and able to hear the truth. That is especially hard in the era of Trump when so many feel at their wits ends already daily. Luckily the message came to me at a time when I had banned myself from the news and was finally stating to feel mentally healthy again. If I had not been ready and able, I don't think I would have listened.
Wonderful and immensely helpful. I never knew how to talk about something I was so passionate about and so grateful for. She really gives you the resources and encouragement to share something that has such an impact on everyday life. Thank you so much! Now I feel like I finally know where to begin when I am asked.
Wow. I always imagine myself one day being able to give these kind of speeches, but seeing how great hers is reminds me just how much work there still is to do. Absolutely brilliant!
I love everything about this, and I'm really happy that I instinctively do some of it. Still learning how best to talk to people, and when, but the attitude here of compassion for people as well as the animals, non-judgemental approach, is simply ... just really pleasant to behold :) I don't want to speak bad about more aggressive activism but I enjoy hearing an approach that fits more with my character like this. Thank you, Dr Joy.
as "morally superior" like Gary Yourofsky makes a point of, saying that vegans Are more ethical, and people can feel that from him, thats why they hate him. and hes right though. "they couldn't sleep at night if they called me a compassionate human being. cause im calling them out." and he said "theres people who judge and theres ppl who lie about judging. we judge ppl all the time". he is so right, and i think that sort of dialogue works with some people, some people respond to his messages and they get it, he's helped so many ppl. but Melanie is also correct in so many ways. but i dont like that i have to nOt claim that im more ethical, when this is actual a fact, vegans are more ethical - but yet we're not allowed to think or feel that? i mean i get what she means i know its a special situation because we are dealing with other emotional beings and trying to get them to understand something, but it leaves such a fine line for choice between an ethical decision or an unethical one and i dont want to leave them with a vague idea that "nobody is more ethical" or leave them with their mind potentially telling themself that "oh see, morality is sort of subjective" when its nOt. and ppl need to clearly see that.
Excellent talk! Thank you so much, everything you said applies to my life and my experiences with Veganism and non-vegan friends & family. I'll definitely watch this again, make notes and try to follow your advice.
I'm trying to upload more vegan content but the pushback from carnists is insane. People really believe it's ethical and healthy to eat animals. I remember when I ate meat it was because I never thought about what I was eating. But people actually dare to think eating meat is okay.
its because almost everywhere eats meat and its 'normal' and people tend not to want to become the outsider . so they refuse to acknowledge that animals have rights or should be valued.
Most people are not able to pass from omnivorism to veganism. They need a vegetarian interlude of at lest few year. That will prepare their body and mind for becoming vegan, as vegan metabolism is so much different than omnivore metabolism
Not always. It's not metabolism that tends to be an issue, more digestion and difference in calorie intake. Like new vegans are likely eating way more fiber than their body is used to, so they need to go slow with the beans. I can see why you'd think metabolism would be an issue, but it's more that vegan food in general is less calorically dense. Vegans often have to double their portion sizes in order to get the same amount of calories they did on an omnivorous diet. It's not that they burn more calories; it's that the food they eat has less.
t h a n k Y o u ! this helps sooo much. her approach is really so precious, i feel like she really has the focus on helping these poor creatures and has recognized what difficult task it is to show others the way and be compassionate in a world mostly not acting this way. great person and great video.
What about Narcissists they are self-centered and lack empathy too. Dr Melanie is there anyway to convince them to believe or to consider veganism? As validation is their top priority and veganism is been validated atleast by a certain amount of people who are financially and socially successful, Will they turn vegan for validation from such people?
I think one issue that people who eat meat have a problem with we who do not is that they see it as wasting food. They take the food available as a given and see vegans as refusing to eat it. They also think we are asking them to waste it. They might even think of vegans as not taking the sacrifice of the animals seriously if we are going to waste the resultant food. I don't expect these thoughts are entirely conscious, but I think this is part of it.
Here’s advice from Melanie Joy on how to successfully promote Veganism ua-cam.com/play/PLNjhmy7UCvpMFp2HVjuNAezICrd152Q8L.html Here’s different types of activism you can get involved in ua-cam.com/video/h5Wln66Cbnc/v-deo.html
We must go to the core of the problem in order to solve it. We have to change some words in English ,for example it should be she or he, if something alive should be someone not something. In Russian for example, all alive creatures have gender therefore they are called she or he or gender suffix is used
i would love to know how to actually get people to WATCH the videos ... especially close family and friends. they are aware that the videos are graphic and seem to acknowledge the cruelty and inhumanity of it all ... but then they never actually watch them. it's like telling someone you'll read the book he lent you, never reading it, and stuffing it on your bookshelf in plain sight. it seems very much like it's a matter of "i don't want to see because that would be too inconvenient" and i'm honestly not really okay with that. you cannot make an informed decision one way or another without understanding both sides of the debate, as it were. i don't push the issue because not only can you not change people but people push back HARD when pushed, but it would be nice to at least feel acknowledged in my efforts - again, ESPECIALLY from people like my parents who know how very important this issue is to me and still don't seem to care at all (perhaps ts just me qualifying the issue but it really does feel like they don't care about how i feel - in fact, i can stand around talking about the facts just about how there are new health studies that show the association between eating this kind of meat and getting this disease, etc., and in the same discussion my parents will say they can't wait to make pork chops ... it is just very disrespectful in my opinion and i don't know how to handle it tactfully, i suppose). i know that if at least my mother were to watch even a few minutes of the videos she would be singing a different tune, but she just refuses to do so. sorry for the long comment. just wondering if others have experienced this kind of situation with people who are supposed to care for you the most. thanks.
Honestly in that situation, I don't think they'll respond to the ethics argument. Maybe show them What the Health or Game Changers? It seems they don't want to watch anything graphic, and this could be a solution. Ideally, they would go vegan, but even if you're only able to get them to go plant based, that'll still help save a lot of animals
In order to want to be veganisme as a succes they should cheaper the products on a scale based on meat products and keep the menu choise getting bigger and bigger aswell as the marketing.
The thing is that in order for products to be cheap, that means they need to be widely purchased. The more people buy something, the cheaper it becomes to produce.
But isn't suppressing your frustration in itself a cause of frustration? I just hate the idea of being the "good vegan" who stays quiet and tiptoes around carnists.
There are healthy outlets for frustration. Journaling, exercise, screaming into a pillow. Taking it out on others only traumatizes them and pushes them away from veganism
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I am crying because you are making me understand how I am feeling right now xx
I wish everybody could see this, Melanie is incredible. So calm and so on point :) life changing for sure.
this is super interesting! melanie joy's wisdom is stunning! definitely no exaggeration when i say this video has changed my life/outlook/approach.
She is phenomenal! I could listen to her lectures all day long. Very informative and useful.
So I'm not the only one who sees her genius :-) I've been enfatuated with her lectures ever since I saw the first official one on the psychology of carnism. There's no doubt she is one of the leading personalities of veganism. I'm so grateful I stumbled over her lecture those ca. 2 years ago.
You used the right word to describe Melanie's approach: wisdom :-)
Gary Yourofsky - "Greatest Speech You'll Ever Hear"
Melanie Joy - "Most Wholesome Speech You'll Ever Hear"
I downloaded this Melanie amazing! I sometimes fall off track but now that I have this downloaded I’ll revisit when that starts to happen. I worked as an inspector in this industry, now activist I speak out as much as I can, even created a UA-cam channel. I’m working on the fulfilled part .. thanks so much
Thank you so much, Melanie, for your work. You've built the foundations of the long overdue paradigm-shift.
Brilliant.
Brilliant talk! 👏🏻 thank you so much! 💗
Who else loves this girl ❤️
Another great speech!
The best présentation ever
Thank you for upload this video. Good talk, i learned so much.
"People have to be ready to change." So true. For myself, I had to be in a healthy enough mindspace to be willing and able to hear the truth. That is especially hard in the era of Trump when so many feel at their wits ends already daily. Luckily the message came to me at a time when I had banned myself from the news and was finally stating to feel mentally healthy again. If I had not been ready and able, I don't think I would have listened.
Absolutely me too! I’m in your shoes just a little while later. I hope you’re staying strong 🙌🏽
Wonderful and immensely helpful. I never knew how to talk about something I was so passionate about and so grateful for. She really gives you the resources and encouragement to share something that has such an impact on everyday life. Thank you so much! Now I feel like I finally know where to begin when I am asked.
What an enlightening talk. This has opened my eyes to how I can change the way I talk to people about veganism :)
Impeccable, influential and insightful - THANK YOU! xo
Great speech! As always.
Wow. I always imagine myself one day being able to give these kind of speeches, but seeing how great hers is reminds me just how much work there still is to do. Absolutely brilliant!
Most brilliant speaker! ❤️
Such a great talk, thank you for sharing 🙏🏼♥️
Incredibly intelligent and inspiring woman! Thank you so much for this.
I think veganism is going to be one of the biggest shift in human evolution
This woman is amazing. Thank you!
This is very interesting and informative.
I love everything about this, and I'm really happy that I instinctively do some of it. Still learning how best to talk to people, and when, but the attitude here of compassion for people as well as the animals, non-judgemental approach, is simply ... just really pleasant to behold :) I don't want to speak bad about more aggressive activism but I enjoy hearing an approach that fits more with my character like this. Thank you, Dr Joy.
This speech is amazing!
as "morally superior" like Gary Yourofsky makes a point of, saying that vegans Are more ethical, and people can feel that from him, thats why they hate him. and hes right though. "they couldn't sleep at night if they called me a compassionate human being. cause im calling them out." and he said "theres people who judge and theres ppl who lie about judging. we judge ppl all the time". he is so right, and i think that sort of dialogue works with some people, some people respond to his messages and they get it, he's helped so many ppl. but Melanie is also correct in so many ways. but i dont like that i have to nOt claim that im more ethical, when this is actual a fact, vegans are more ethical - but yet we're not allowed to think or feel that? i mean i get what she means i know its a special situation because we are dealing with other emotional beings and trying to get them to understand something, but it leaves such a fine line for choice between an ethical decision or an unethical one and i dont want to leave them with a vague idea that "nobody is more ethical" or leave them with their mind potentially telling themself that "oh see, morality is sort of subjective" when its nOt. and ppl need to clearly see that.
Is doesnt matter. Who is more ethical doesnt change anything. Debating this is a waste of time and energy (Did you even watch the hole video lmao)
Fantástic! Thank you..❤️🙏
I love Melanie! This is such a valuable lecture.
Thank you so much for this Video!
Thank you!
This should go out to more than 7k vegans
Excellent talk! Thank you so much, everything you said applies to my life and my experiences with Veganism and non-vegan friends & family. I'll definitely watch this again, make notes and try to follow your advice.
Brilliant!!
Endless love for Dr. Joy
The problem is that many vegans use the same behaviour as carnists towards other vegans (10:15)
thank you great video!
This is great! Thanks:-)
"You are animals too".
Absolutely amazing!
wonderful talk, great strategies!
Since I went vegan I actually never got sick even if my whole family was,can anyone relate.
Love this!!
wonderful lady ❤
I'm trying to upload more vegan content but the pushback from carnists is insane. People really believe it's ethical and healthy to eat animals. I remember when I ate meat it was because I never thought about what I was eating. But people actually dare to think eating meat is okay.
its because almost everywhere eats meat and its 'normal' and people tend not to want to become the outsider . so they refuse to acknowledge that animals have rights or should be valued.
She is brilliant
Most people are not able to pass from omnivorism to veganism. They need a vegetarian interlude of at lest few year. That will prepare their body and mind for becoming vegan, as vegan metabolism is so much different than omnivore metabolism
Not always. It's not metabolism that tends to be an issue, more digestion and difference in calorie intake. Like new vegans are likely eating way more fiber than their body is used to, so they need to go slow with the beans. I can see why you'd think metabolism would be an issue, but it's more that vegan food in general is less calorically dense. Vegans often have to double their portion sizes in order to get the same amount of calories they did on an omnivorous diet. It's not that they burn more calories; it's that the food they eat has less.
every angry judgy divided vegan has to view this. It’s essential
+VeganKanal could you please allow viewers to subtitle this video? I'd like to add subtitles in English and French. Thank you!
Ive been overinforming everyone i love and turning them off to my message >.< Its hard to keep it all to myself!!!
t h a n k Y o u ! this helps sooo much. her approach is really so precious, i feel like she really has the focus on helping these poor creatures and has recognized what difficult task it is to show others the way and be compassionate in a world mostly not acting this way. great person and great video.
danke. gracias. thank you.merci.namaste.
Amazing...!!!
What about Narcissists they are self-centered and lack empathy too. Dr Melanie is there anyway to convince them to believe or to consider veganism?
As validation is their top priority and veganism is been validated atleast by a certain amount of people who are financially and socially successful, Will they turn vegan for validation from such people?
I think one issue that people who eat meat have a problem with we who do not is that they see it as wasting food. They take the food available as a given and see vegans as refusing to eat it. They also think we are asking them to waste it. They might even think of vegans as not taking the sacrifice of the animals seriously if we are going to waste the resultant food. I don't expect these thoughts are entirely conscious, but I think this is part of it.
Here’s advice from Melanie Joy on how to successfully promote Veganism ua-cam.com/play/PLNjhmy7UCvpMFp2HVjuNAezICrd152Q8L.html
Here’s different types of activism you can get involved in ua-cam.com/video/h5Wln66Cbnc/v-deo.html
We must go to the core of the problem in order to solve it. We have to change some words in English ,for example it should be she or he, if something alive should be someone not something.
In Russian for example, all alive creatures have gender therefore they are called she or he or gender suffix is used
Hope Your in on IARC 2018 in Luxembourg ?
personal note
connect understood,, not shame,,
this!
Vegan Kanal, please, help me to set Bulgarian subtitles. Thank you!
Are you interested in translating the subtitles?
i would love to know how to actually get people to WATCH the videos ... especially close family and friends. they are aware that the videos are graphic and seem to acknowledge the cruelty and inhumanity of it all ... but then they never actually watch them. it's like telling someone you'll read the book he lent you, never reading it, and stuffing it on your bookshelf in plain sight. it seems very much like it's a matter of "i don't want to see because that would be too inconvenient" and i'm honestly not really okay with that. you cannot make an informed decision one way or another without understanding both sides of the debate, as it were. i don't push the issue because not only can you not change people but people push back HARD when pushed, but it would be nice to at least feel acknowledged in my efforts - again, ESPECIALLY from people like my parents who know how very important this issue is to me and still don't seem to care at all (perhaps ts just me qualifying the issue but it really does feel like they don't care about how i feel - in fact, i can stand around talking about the facts just about how there are new health studies that show the association between eating this kind of meat and getting this disease, etc., and in the same discussion my parents will say they can't wait to make pork chops ... it is just very disrespectful in my opinion and i don't know how to handle it tactfully, i suppose). i know that if at least my mother were to watch even a few minutes of the videos she would be singing a different tune, but she just refuses to do so. sorry for the long comment. just wondering if others have experienced this kind of situation with people who are supposed to care for you the most. thanks.
Honestly in that situation, I don't think they'll respond to the ethics argument. Maybe show them What the Health or Game Changers? It seems they don't want to watch anything graphic, and this could be a solution. Ideally, they would go vegan, but even if you're only able to get them to go plant based, that'll still help save a lot of animals
I thought this was a very good talk on the whole.
In order to want to be veganisme as a succes they should cheaper the products on a scale based on meat products and keep the menu choise getting bigger and bigger aswell as the marketing.
The thing is that in order for products to be cheap, that means they need to be widely purchased. The more people buy something, the cheaper it becomes to produce.
Beans, peas, rice, noodles and many veggies are pretty cheap
I thought you were in your 30's
But isn't suppressing your frustration in itself a cause of frustration? I just hate the idea of being the "good vegan" who stays quiet and tiptoes around carnists.
There are healthy outlets for frustration. Journaling, exercise, screaming into a pillow. Taking it out on others only traumatizes them and pushes them away from veganism
Joy is totally an anarchist :)
@7:40 something, male dominance is natural and if you think it’s not then change it ! trigger words or concepts can b a distraction
UGH I want to be JUST like her, but still me =)
It just seems like she's trying to appease the carnists and make it easy for them to swallow. I dunno if that really works.
LMAO!!!!
from personal experience this doesn't seem to work very well.
Some people could live and funtion only in a state of rage originated by carnism, they need their red meat so they can pick a fight with someone
"the invisible ideology that conditions people to eat animals"
Sure, sure that explain why kid LOVE MEAT and hate veggies.
Brilliant.