Yeah, you can get a 13800K with a gtx 4080 for that price. What I liked about the nucs was buying them second hand from corporations old stock. Don't think I'll but these new.
Even some of the new gen i3s/i5s beat out my old X99 HEDT dual CPU Xeon builds I have at this point for most of what I'm doing. Only real big loss is PCIe lanes but you can manage and mitigate that and/or having a separate system for a NAS.
For a "complete rig" in a tiny box like that, the price is what I expected. Wanna see this on a drag race against desktop Macs, even if the market for NUCs and Macs are diametrically opposed.
@@lucasrem personally, I'm more interested in seeing how good Nvidia's ARM based desktop CPU's are gonna be. As a desktop PC gamer myself I'm not interested in purchasing desktop products with soldered components like CPU's and RAM. User upgradablity of desktop PC's isn't something I'm willing to give up on as a consumer.
The price isn't horrific, but it's still quite a lot. Like I just checked local prices and could get a 15" laptop with RTX 4070 and an i9 13900H (2 cores less, ~950 in Cinebench 2024 vs. 1003 seen in video) for a couple hundred less than the barebone NUC, and it'd come with a monitor, a keyboard, trackpad, RAM, storage, etc.
I'm just hoping that they also have the lower end barebone NUCs as well. My Home Assistant server is running on one along with a few other services and it is amazing and cost me less then $250 at the time. It's also what I used for when I set up desktop computers for my in-laws because it's all they need and far better then getting a laptop.
Chinese OEM's are doing a really great job at that, with Intel n100 processors as well as the new Ryzen chips. Beelink, Minisforum are great options. (I do have beelink eq12 with intel n100.) But I don't think asus is going to go that way unfortunately. But let's see what happens.
both are great options , i prefer the ryzens for lower power usage for equal work done. Intels have thunderbolt support and often faster soldered memory.@@vinsan98
I understand the RND and overall just NUCs were always expensive but they need to cut like 200$ across the board of the prices for them to be considered, NUCs imo never took off because of their price.
As a truck driver, this sounds wicked! Space is a premium and every little bit matters. This and a decent 24" monitor and I'm set to stay on the road for months!
Just use laptopthis is more for like stationary pc that used for tight room which is mostly offices, offline store, school, and campus. Remember that laptop thickness is always under 3cm
Because I didn't enjoy using a laptop in the semi. Far more comfortable to lay in bed and look up at a monitor at the foot of the bed vs a screen by my crotch. Lots of new semi's also already have a TV or a space to mount one on the side wall. This could easily be stowed away in a cubby or mounted next to the TV/monitor for a clean setup that's up and out of the way with no setup time required and no power cable to trip over. Keep in mind that the bunk is smaller than a jail cell. You have a single, maybe twin size mattress and a space 12-24 inches deep and 36ish inches wide to stand and move around in the bunk. A laptop works best when placed on the slide out table or top of a cubby you're already using to make or eat your dinner.
@@clintk4691 laptop is still usable with lid closed when you use external monitor, jarrod often always test gaming laptop with closed lid . And all of them is still usable as long you dont stress both cpu and gpu which is extremely rare for normal user, if you use the laptop with closed lid you can just put them anywhere you want as long the airflow is not blocked
Honestly mini itx pc is better choice than mini pc with egpu since mini pc and egpu size combined are very close to mini itx pc , thunderbolt in minj pc is more make sense to use for external nvme, monitor or docking port , egpu defeats the purpose of mini pc which is space saving ,
The original NUC was the small cube boxes; I have purchased 5 at different times. I didn't feel the skull Canyon has the spirit of the NUC and gave the most problems pushing the power. (one fan fail), and now this Asus model is looking even bigger. I hope they can still do a small NUC, as this portability was great for the small office desk space footprint. Let's see how Asus carry on the NUC flag in the future, as this is their first one, and I guess they wanted a gaming device. There are a lot of players in the SFF mini PC markets, so Asus will have competition at the lower end.
A business case for NUCs is the timely BIOS updates for intel specific CVE/vulnerabilities. I hope ASUS can continue with the very quick BIOS updates that Intel had.
@@Richkill Wasnt it Asus that said they wouldent RMA mobos that had burning AMD cpus? Put out a beta BIOS to cover it then backtracked....then we have the whole capacitor that was turned upside down on a Intel motherboard? Asus with alot of premium products but they have a black stain all over themselfs lately...
They have more 'normal' NUCs which have the old form factor, or at least something very similar. This 'ROG' model is with mobile GPUs in it and drawing more power.
Mad respect for Jake being so cool, on a show floor, in the asus booth saying he wouldn’t expect being able to buy a barebones one in front of their faces.
@@thomasthereal4067it's not really a compliment though. To any informed viewer, he might as well just be stating that ASUS is anti consumer enough to not offer that as an option.
Pricing may kill this PC (which would be a shame if they did not continue this line-up in the future). It has Laptop components, but even premium laptop with same spece, with battery, screen, keyboard and a touchpad IS cheaper. I kinda expected for ASUS to price it as a "premium" product (ROG brand, etc).... but on top of lacking battery, screen, keyboard it also lacks SSD & RAM, which makes it WAY TOO EXPENSIVE. I mean, if there are already some great mini gaming PCs like Minisforum Neptune. Asus is entering Gaming NUC market and if they price it badly, they will not sell well tbh. Anyway, for that cash, you could probably build ITX PC with way better components.
That's my issue with it. It's a laptop without the screen, keyboard and mousepad effectively. It should be priced several hundred below laptop specs, potentially more. There's literally no reason to not just buy a cheaper laptop and a £10 laptop stand for this. The performance would be the same.
They're laptop components, sure, but they aren't constrained to power and cooling limits of a laptop, so ASUS should be able to pack more performance into it since they don't have to consider running the machine off a battery. For size to performance, especially if you're limited on space, it might be niche but there's some value to it.
I mean, we had Phantom Canyon and then Serpent Canyon as successors to Hades. This is really the spiritual successor to Serpent Canyon and considering how long it actually takes to plan and design stuff like this, I'm sure this one still has Intel's DNA in it.
if you absolutely need a tiny chassis like this, i dont think the price is far off the mark. it has robust cooling, and if asus sneaks some bios tweaking options in there, i think it would be a pretty good micro box.
I agree with the cooling option being robust but it's cheaper to build a small form factor build. And with some of the cases out now, it's probably better to just build a sff build.
It all depends on how good quality the fan bearings are. I have ROG G20 and Fans over the years got so noisy that I had to replace them, and it was not easy since Asus uses specific fans (not the of-shelf pc parts) which are hard to find. I would say that price suggest that Asus thinks that if some one can afford it, then they can replace their PC every 4 or 5 years, so I would not expect fans to be calculated for more than that.
The barebones 4070 version being significantly more expensive than a laptop with the same GPU and comparable CPU (~950 cinebench vs. 1003 shown in video) is the biggest pain point for me. It's a tempting device, but really hard for me to justify that price gap. =/
I'm hoping this releases soon. I'm in the market for a small PC like this and the only option I liked was the zotac zbox but it's only available on eBay and grooves land which is weird.
I currently have Minisforum UM780 XTX (Nov2023) which is IMO one of the top mini PC's of 2023. I have it hooked up to a full RTX4060 via oculink. total cost was USD $950. Let's wait for the price of Minisforum UH185 (2024), if it's $1k or less, then I'd go for that. especially for its OCulink. I can just buy a $500 full RTX4070 to plug into it.
The small ASUS with the 4060 inside is an absolute beast and I love it. I needed something while I was in Thailand that was small and easy to move and found that. Love it.
I’ve had hands on a lot of mini PCs and every time I hold a Mac mini I think “why aren’t mini PC manufacturers integrating the power supply in the unit”? Also smart of ASUS to take a page out of Macbook modding and add thermal pads to make thermal contact with the fans. Since you’re doing it on a desktop you don’t need to worry about higher surface temps as you would with a laptop; the price though, at that point you’re getting in similar-spec gaming laptop territory
The price is on the high end, but not completely unreasonable for what it is. Even with a custom-built, the price goes up as the size goes down and not in a necessarily linear fashion. I *do* think the product would be more competitive if the "with storage etc" price came in about $300 lower though. Maybe they'll figure out a way to cut into that price a little bit without losing performance before the product launches? Finding 15% in efficiency savings in production is a lot though...
imagine if they turned this nuc into a steam machine, it certainly wouldnt take over the console market cus of price but with proton compatability should be much better
I was thinking the same thing, I still use my Alienware Steam Machine R2 for casual gaming with the family and would love to get a (reasonably priced) replacement eventually
Yep, even simple TTS like this is soooooo much better than a pinned comment or purely visual overlay.. It just so happened that I glanced at another browser window when it happened so if not for the audio swap I would have missed the correction
The pricing isnt completely out to lunch but at this pricing you could easily get a better base rig from minisforum with a destop gpu and enclosure for less while still having better performance across the board. Unless you're just that space constrained, this doesnt really make any sense.
this is way better than a minisforum in the configuration showed. Hell, they're not even comparable as they're for different portions of the market price wise. This is for users that need power in a small size. Miniforums is modest, this is EXTREME!
I am hoping for ASUS to provide an affordable NUC. I am using an 8th gen Intel NUC for my plex server, and I am looking to replace it for something stronger but still very power efficient and low TDP.
This mini pcs are great for divorced parents kids, still remember bringing my nuc in school on friday becuz my dad will pick me up and will stay with him every weekend
As some one who owns ROG G20, the only thing I am worried about when it comes to this ROG NUC is the Cmos battery replacement and how hard it will be (something that one will have to do at some point). But since this is a bare bone, I hope that ASUS engineers have placed Cmos battery in some easy to access place. Also.... This ROG NUC reminds me about the old Asus ROG G8 mini PC... EDIT: one more thing. This PC lacks rear audio jacks, so if you have 5.1 or 7.1 speakers, you will most likely need an additional USB external sound card, which kinda sucks. I would gladly sacrifice 1 Display port for 3x Audio Jacks.
@@lucasrem Yeah, but I have a very good sounding Logitech 5.1 speakers and those require plain and normal 3x audio jacks. The only way I know of to connect them to device that does not have proper input is to add some input via USB adapter - which external USB sound card is. Besides, ITX motherboards still do have rear audio jacks for that very reason. So on top of having an extremely overpriced gaming mini PC, you still need to buy SSD, RAM, and in my case an external sound card... This thing looks less & less appealing tbh lol. You are right when you said it is "a Toy"... very expensive one. Minisforum mini gaming PC looks like a very good deal when compared to what Asus did.
I have the Hades Canyon and it has an analog/optical combination audio port but not 3 analog ports. I probably have the same Logitech sound system you have and I use the optical audio port. I also have a sound blaster USB DAC for use with my Razer tiamat true 7.1 channel headset which uses analog audio. The truth is that all previous connections are pretty much obsolete now, USB C/4 can carry enough bandwidth for lossless high res 12 channel audio (7.1.4)
I would prefer to see the same cooling solution on both processors (CPU and GPU) because if it has a smart power distribution, the CPU is always at a disadvantage with cooling. Intel NUC's lowest price was around $350, so I don't know how I would look at that $1800 price without everything.
First time I've noticed it but glad that LMG really paid attention to criticism from Gamers Nexus and dubbed over mistakes when talking about product specs instead of just visually correcting it like before.
115 Watt TDP! Gosh no wonder you felt heat coming out from the fans. I had mentioned before to a friend of mine that you don't have to game with mega amounts of cores you can game with a Quad Core CPU and I suggest a Six Core CPU would be sweet on the spot and will be cooler and never overheat. 16 cores is an overkill and basically calling for a fire to start inside of the tiny compact case. NUC PCs should be cooler not faster. Also since it will be compact just like a laptop, the CPU doesn't need to be Overclocked as it will create heat. It needs to run at base speeds. Can you please tell us if ASUS will be selling these NUCs with dual lan ports? Thanks.
Bro I had my Twitch stream paused at this time, and when 1:14 had that TTS played, i'm like "WTH I thought I paused my Twitch stream". Totally caught me off guard.
debatable, I have a strix scar 17 with a 4080 and although it's most def more powerful, it's also more cumbersome and it takes a shit ton or space on my desk when I am also using a monitor. Laptop keyboards are mid, I prefer to use my own so to me that's not important and about a battery.. if you are using any decent gaming laptop you will ALWAYS have it plugged in because the battery life is abysmal and turbo mode or GPU power draw is almost always restricted on battery..
Price seems a tad high for what's basically a gaming laptop in a chassis with less features - no screen, keyboard, track pad, or battery - with the only real advantages likely being higher total power and better(ish) thermal solutions. Would be curious how this performs against ROG laptops of a similar price point.
I know that the price is definitely more expensive compared to just building your own PC, but this ROG NUC is something that I've been looking for. A small PC that you can take anywhere. While yes gaming laptops can do that too, they take up more space than the NUC and it's hard to hook up an external monitor if you have limited desk space.
Not that I need it (just built a new full desktop) but I LOVE the small form factor builds. I would love to see that in a higher TDP package but honestly it's a very powerful system in a tiny package which is amazing and I'm happy to see them pulling this off.
For the same price you can get a laptop with the same if not better GPU with a higher TGP, a better CPU, and possibly better cooling. Not to mention a trackpad, keyboard and screen built in. I really want to like this product but for them to literally sell you a laptop spec machine minus the benefits of a laptop for the same price is insane. I have a 12700H and 3070ti in my laptop with a 150W TGP that absolutely rips. 16GB DDR5, 1TB SSD, HDMI 2.1, thunderbolt 4, WiFi 6E, etc. Got it on sale for $1,800 and saw it on clearance for $1,300 6 months later. I could never justify buying a NUC system when laptops are such an excellent value these days and have all of the same capabilities plus more.
From the official (EU) announcement, the pricing of the ROG thing places it well above an entry-level gaming laptop with the same specs. Which makes it more of a niche than I would've liked to have seen.
Prices are insane! I can build a 4060 low profile, mini Itx system for half the price and it will occupy only a couple of liters of volume more, with probabily better performance. For 1.200 - 1.400 could have been an option, above 1.700 it's out of consideration
The question for this product is whether a comparable laptop with the same specs would cost as much and performance similarly. The thing about Asus laptops, i can always find them for under MSRP. I wouldn't mind a NUC if the price is retail stores is significantly discounted.
Its cool, butit feels like you could buy a laptop with similar specs/performance for about the same if not slightly less money and get a screen, keyboard (and ofc the ability to take it with you). I guess economy of scale and competition comes more into play with laptops
I bought the nuc 11 enthusiast rtx 2060 kit (barebone) back when it came out for $1100 mainly for retro gaming and its still a beast. Asus name on it explains the extra couple hundred but I bet it's gonna be a monster if the original nuc team designed it.
I think they kinda see the wrong market. Instead of advertising is for gamers, advertise it for companies. A lot of people use it as a probe or a smart”er” tv solution etc
Even though it's really cool to have that much power in a NUC formfactor, that pricing is nuts, paying essentially a 1000 dollars just for the formfactor and a 1000 for the hardware. While if you build a small ITX sized PC (small footprint, albeit it not as small as NUC, still smaller than full tower) and similar hardware you'd literally be at about half the price....
Still waiting for somebody or Valve put out proper gaming box/steam box, with proper GDDR6 with 256 Bit memory bus+, and with DDR4/or DDR5 system memory and running steam os. Not bloated windows. Valve said steam os is coming desktop pc and other devices. We just don’t know when. Not bad Nuc, but we don’t see too many with proper dedicated Vram. It’s Always DDR5.
I wonder if they will also continue and hopefully improve the Extreme line. If they keep them small, don't overprice them, don't make them as ugly as most Asus products, and don't skimp on Ports, meaning TB4 is a must and no more slow sub USB 3.2 Gen 2 insults, then they could be quite interesting.
My 2990WX scores a 1478 in MT with 32-cores, and if I want to I could stretch the performance so the Threadripper CPU is more multi-thread focused and it will pull 1689 on 32-cores.
If they do it right this could be amazing they can put laptop cpus with desktop class gpus and get amazing performance in a tiny package for people who travel or need something small with tons of power it could be great like double or triple Xbox series performance in a package a third of the price and with the new integrated intel graphics being pretty insane they could make some super custom chips in a insanely small package like better than rog ally performance in the size of an external hard drive
FYI - the graphic that comes on screen when you're talking about the specs says Intel Arc graphics and not the Nvidia stuff being referenced throughout the video.
That looks some much like the Nuc 12 Gaming model (NUC12SNKi7) that i very seriously doubt Asus have done anything more (at least this generation), that slapped some ROG branding onto the 99% completed intel model. And the gaming NUC models, with dedicated GPUs from AMD or nVidia were always "pricy". But your paying for a solid and very well engineered product.
the tjmax on the core ultra 7 is 110 degrees C. so that is why it reached 106C on a big turbo thing then the 70-80 C is extremely nice temps for a cpu like this. most laptop run at 99C constantly under load anyway
As a prev owner of an alienware laptop, I have to say that bespoke products such as these would be extremely difficult to repair after few years, If u can afford to change it every 3-4 years, then by all means go ahead, But an itx machine will go a long wayy
NUC's are what I'm interested in and we really should be way further along than we are. I blame the nVidia for wanting to keep exploiting the dedicated GPU market; I mean look at the 4090; it's basically a computer itself.
Excited to see Asus stepping into the NUC game. The price seems a bit steep but if the performance is as good as you say, it just might dominate the small PC market.
You can get well spec’d 4070 laptops for $1200…and that’s not barebones. Nice concept, but like 50% too high on price (yes I realize this is normal for NUCs). Hell, my i9 4070 32GB 1TB Legion 5 Pro was $1499, and I’ve seen it cheaper than that.
Imagine a tiny pc half the size of this one with a powerful laptop cpu storage and ram paired with asus external graphics card like a 4090 that would be absolutely insane power in a tiny setup
Hopefully on the smaller ones they keep the Dual HDMI Dual Ethernet option on the latest Intel NUC Pros. Really interested to see what they. Ring out in the smaller form factor. Wouldn’t mind if they got a little larger to enable better I/O. I’d love if they did an integrated PSU design similar to MacMini.
They surely dont expect to sell many. Target audience would be rich people or off-grid people that need more than a laptop. Cuz ofc the rest of gamers would end up putting together a system in small ITX cases.
Props to Asus for offering a barebones option hope they actually end up doing it
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I want more like this. I don't know why we only have tiny PC's and towers. Where is the video game console sized PC? I want it for my TV. Lets revive the Steam Machine!
I like how small it is and I also like the fact it would be great for my lounge which has a 4K normal tv which is 50hz so I could play my games on max settings with a cool system. Only problem will be the price as you can get last years razor blade laptop for similar money.
How are they selling it for higher price then a 4070 laptops? It the same hardware but without a monitor, keyboard, battery and all the other laptop stuff Seems crazy to me, the price is like at least 500$ off
I mean, I would want to see how it handles various pro workloads and compare it to equivalently performant laptops in price. If it is competent and competitive, it could be an interesting alternative for travel work computers in scenarios where you expect a display to be present at the destination. It could also be an interesting solution for space conscious deployments. It has been a hot minute since I've needed to research laptops, but it is an interesting consideration I would look at for school/work environment computer fleets.
It needs two Ethernet ports ... This isn't going to be the main machine it either will be a streaming/transcoding device or a mini server or like an encoding machine for live video game streaming or what not so it needs a direct fast connection to a main device and an other (even slow e.g 1gbs) to the rest of the Network
I'm looking forward to the Asus ROG NUC, I just bought a Zotac mini gaming pc with a 13th gen intel cpu and an RTX 4070 but I prefer the Asus ROG brand. Asus would make it easy to buy one (as well as support it) as Zotac is can't seem to keep any good mini pc in stock. Overall they seem to treat the segment like unwanted trash. I understand it's a niche market but they can at least pretend to care. After owning a few gaming laptops in my younger years and then trying a mini gaming pc I'm now COMPLETELY sold on mini PC's. Mini gaming pc's offer everything I want in a portable gaming machine and DO NOT have the unreasonable fan noise any decent gaming laptop would. I'm very sensitive to it and I don't like using headphones. I literally only use headphones for occasional multiplayer gaming, speakers for everything else. The portable battery aspect is a f***ing joke, who's buying a gaming laptop for gaming not connected to a wall? that's impractical and let's face it , no one is using a touch pad to aim so that mean's you're carrying at least a gaming mouse. I personally only use controllers unless it's a competitive game or RTS.
I commend Asus for keeping an entire market segment alive.
Even if NUCs would vanish you still have mini pc's from Minisforum and the likes.
Minisforum
theres tons of minipc brands that arent asus wityh their fakwe warrenty and shit firmeware
Agreed
Asrock make mini pc too
Damn. That pricing just puts me right back into laptop territory.
Yeah, you can get a 13800K with a gtx 4080 for that price.
What I liked about the nucs was buying them second hand from corporations old stock.
Don't think I'll but these new.
Some of these hardware manufactures have lost their grasp on reality.
@@NeonVisual gotta pay off the trademark purchase
Seriously, everything but the price is appealing
It's basically a laptop without the screen and keyboard
this CES 2024 development is pretty substantial. The level of performance you can get in laptops and small PC's in 2024 is absolutely insane
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Hp has a laptop that one can max with 128gb and FOUR 4 tb gen4 ssds!
@@macking104 where's that laptop in this video??????????????
@@user-kl6qj9lc5y just comparing new items...
Even some of the new gen i3s/i5s beat out my old X99 HEDT dual CPU Xeon builds I have at this point for most of what I'm doing. Only real big loss is PCIe lanes but you can manage and mitigate that and/or having a separate system for a NAS.
For a "complete rig" in a tiny box like that, the price is what I expected. Wanna see this on a drag race against desktop Macs, even if the market for NUCs and Macs are diametrically opposed.
I think the Mac mini is going to stomp it in CPU workloads, but for gaming this is a small gem.
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Honesty on UA-cam, why you cry that.
apple is other levels, ARM is the future, intel was the past....
@@lucasrem personally, I'm more interested in seeing how good Nvidia's ARM based desktop CPU's are gonna be. As a desktop PC gamer myself I'm not interested in purchasing desktop products with soldered components like CPU's and RAM. User upgradablity of desktop PC's isn't something I'm willing to give up on as a consumer.
@@lucasremif x86 is the past why is it still kicking ass? Not every workload is some 15w constrained bullshit that apple loves to flex with
The price isn't horrific, but it's still quite a lot. Like I just checked local prices and could get a 15" laptop with RTX 4070 and an i9 13900H (2 cores less, ~950 in Cinebench 2024 vs. 1003 seen in video) for a couple hundred less than the barebone NUC, and it'd come with a monitor, a keyboard, trackpad, RAM, storage, etc.
I'm just hoping that they also have the lower end barebone NUCs as well. My Home Assistant server is running on one along with a few other services and it is amazing and cost me less then $250 at the time. It's also what I used for when I set up desktop computers for my in-laws because it's all they need and far better then getting a laptop.
Chinese OEM's are doing a really great job at that, with Intel n100 processors as well as the new Ryzen chips.
Beelink, Minisforum are great options. (I do have beelink eq12 with intel n100.)
But I don't think asus is going to go that way unfortunately. But let's see what happens.
both are great options , i prefer the ryzens for lower power usage for equal work done. Intels have thunderbolt support and often faster soldered memory.@@vinsan98
Minisforum for that. Switched to selling those from NUCs a couple years ago after NUC reliability got worse and worse
They should start making these in a standard 1U rack form factor
I understand the RND and overall just NUCs were always expensive but they need to cut like 200$ across the board of the prices for them to be considered, NUCs imo never took off because of their price.
facts, thinkpads laptops is better alternative
As a truck driver, this sounds wicked! Space is a premium and every little bit matters. This and a decent 24" monitor and I'm set to stay on the road for months!
Why not just a laptop?
Just use laptopthis is more for like stationary pc that used for tight room which is mostly offices, offline store, school, and campus. Remember that laptop thickness is always under 3cm
Because I didn't enjoy using a laptop in the semi. Far more comfortable to lay in bed and look up at a monitor at the foot of the bed vs a screen by my crotch. Lots of new semi's also already have a TV or a space to mount one on the side wall. This could easily be stowed away in a cubby or mounted next to the TV/monitor for a clean setup that's up and out of the way with no setup time required and no power cable to trip over. Keep in mind that the bunk is smaller than a jail cell. You have a single, maybe twin size mattress and a space 12-24 inches deep and 36ish inches wide to stand and move around in the bunk. A laptop works best when placed on the slide out table or top of a cubby you're already using to make or eat your dinner.
@@clintk4691 laptop is still usable with lid closed when you use external monitor, jarrod often always test gaming laptop with closed lid . And all of them is still usable as long you dont stress both cpu and gpu which is extremely rare for normal user, if you use the laptop with closed lid you can just put them anywhere you want as long the airflow is not blocked
@@clintk4691 yeah, i never use laptop led at home too
The fact this has Thunderbolt 4 means eGPU. And that allows this system to go way beyond its limits.
Honestly mini itx pc is better choice than mini pc with egpu since mini pc and egpu size combined are very close to mini itx pc , thunderbolt in minj pc is more make sense to use for external nvme, monitor or docking port , egpu defeats the purpose of mini pc which is space saving ,
@@CheapSushiI was looking at the zotac zbox but I can't find it for sale anywhere except eBay and a sketchy site called grooves land
At that point build a regular pc
No, not at all. Not TB4. Just use an extra M.2 SSD slot to get x4 speeds, don't use a TB4/TB3 eGPU.
The original NUC was the small cube boxes; I have purchased 5 at different times. I didn't feel the skull Canyon has the spirit of the NUC and gave the most problems pushing the power. (one fan fail), and now this Asus model is looking even bigger. I hope they can still do a small NUC, as this portability was great for the small office desk space footprint. Let's see how Asus carry on the NUC flag in the future, as this is their first one, and I guess they wanted a gaming device. There are a lot of players in the SFF mini PC markets, so Asus will have competition at the lower end.
They will. This just happens to be bigger due to also having powerful discreet graphics. Need space to cool those puppies.
I deployed a bunch of NUCs and all of them had fan failures.
A business case for NUCs is the timely BIOS updates for intel specific CVE/vulnerabilities. I hope ASUS can continue with the very quick BIOS updates that Intel had.
@@Richkill Wasnt it Asus that said they wouldent RMA mobos that had burning AMD cpus? Put out a beta BIOS to cover it then backtracked....then we have the whole capacitor that was turned upside down on a Intel motherboard? Asus with alot of premium products but they have a black stain all over themselfs lately...
They have more 'normal' NUCs which have the old form factor, or at least something very similar. This 'ROG' model is with mobile GPUs in it and drawing more power.
Mad respect for Jake being so cool, on a show floor, in the asus booth saying he wouldn’t expect being able to buy a barebones one in front of their faces.
I mean it is a ccompliment to ASUS that they alow it
@@thomasthereal4067it's not really a compliment though. To any informed viewer, he might as well just be stating that ASUS is anti consumer enough to not offer that as an option.
@@ashtonhoward5582well they did cut ties with the Asus for their issues, they aren't gonna hold back now
NUC have a lot of niche cases for my clientbase, glad to see one of my fav brands behind it.
That looks like the older (better) Intel gaming NUCs, before they went to those gigantic monstrosities. Awesome.
Looks almost identical to a skull canyon internally as well (except the vapour chamber)
Pricing may kill this PC (which would be a shame if they did not continue this line-up in the future). It has Laptop components, but even premium laptop with same spece, with battery, screen, keyboard and a touchpad IS cheaper. I kinda expected for ASUS to price it as a "premium" product (ROG brand, etc).... but on top of lacking battery, screen, keyboard it also lacks SSD & RAM, which makes it WAY TOO EXPENSIVE. I mean, if there are already some great mini gaming PCs like Minisforum Neptune. Asus is entering Gaming NUC market and if they price it badly, they will not sell well tbh. Anyway, for that cash, you could probably build ITX PC with way better components.
That's my issue with it. It's a laptop without the screen, keyboard and mousepad effectively. It should be priced several hundred below laptop specs, potentially more.
There's literally no reason to not just buy a cheaper laptop and a £10 laptop stand for this. The performance would be the same.
Minisforum Neptune are always sold out, no?
They're laptop components, sure, but they aren't constrained to power and cooling limits of a laptop, so ASUS should be able to pack more performance into it since they don't have to consider running the machine off a battery. For size to performance, especially if you're limited on space, it might be niche but there's some value to it.
Jake computer synthesizer voice whole episode demanded!
Sort of the spiritual successor to the Hades Canyon NUC, I still use one after 5 years or so and it still works great.
I mean, we had Phantom Canyon and then Serpent Canyon as successors to Hades. This is really the spiritual successor to Serpent Canyon and considering how long it actually takes to plan and design stuff like this, I'm sure this one still has Intel's DNA in it.
IF YOU RUN GAME RIGHT NOW THAT CAME OUT 5 YEARS AGO OR LIKE 3YEARS AGO. DOES IT RUN GAME SMOOTHLY
AS IT DID 5 YEARS AGO WHEN YOU BOUGHT IT ?
if you absolutely need a tiny chassis like this, i dont think the price is far off the mark. it has robust cooling, and if asus sneaks some bios tweaking options in there, i think it would be a pretty good micro box.
I agree with the cooling option being robust but it's cheaper to build a small form factor build. And with some of the cases out now, it's probably better to just build a sff build.
It all depends on how good quality the fan bearings are. I have ROG G20 and Fans over the years got so noisy that I had to replace them, and it was not easy since Asus uses specific fans (not the of-shelf pc parts) which are hard to find. I would say that price suggest that Asus thinks that if some one can afford it, then they can replace their PC every 4 or 5 years, so I would not expect fans to be calculated for more than that.
The barebones 4070 version being significantly more expensive than a laptop with the same GPU and comparable CPU (~950 cinebench vs. 1003 shown in video) is the biggest pain point for me. It's a tempting device, but really hard for me to justify that price gap. =/
"micro"
I'm hoping this releases soon. I'm in the market for a small PC like this and the only option I liked was the zotac zbox but it's only available on eBay and grooves land which is weird.
I currently have Minisforum UM780 XTX (Nov2023) which is IMO one of the top mini PC's of 2023. I have it hooked up to a full RTX4060 via oculink. total cost was USD $950.
Let's wait for the price of Minisforum UH185 (2024), if it's $1k or less, then I'd go for that. especially for its OCulink. I can just buy a $500 full RTX4070 to plug into it.
I'd enjoy a full review whenever possible
The small ASUS with the 4060 inside is an absolute beast and I love it. I needed something while I was in Thailand that was small and easy to move and found that. Love it.
I’ve had hands on a lot of mini PCs and every time I hold a Mac mini I think “why aren’t mini PC manufacturers integrating the power supply in the unit”?
Also smart of ASUS to take a page out of Macbook modding and add thermal pads to make thermal contact with the fans. Since you’re doing it on a desktop you don’t need to worry about higher surface temps as you would with a laptop; the price though, at that point you’re getting in similar-spec gaming laptop territory
My bet would be heat generation and space. It would mean less room for cooling and more heat generating components in that tight space.
Lenovo actually has one of these, it's the IdeaCentre Mini, I believe. Integrated PSU, current gen intel processors
The price is on the high end, but not completely unreasonable for what it is. Even with a custom-built, the price goes up as the size goes down and not in a necessarily linear fashion. I *do* think the product would be more competitive if the "with storage etc" price came in about $300 lower though. Maybe they'll figure out a way to cut into that price a little bit without losing performance before the product launches? Finding 15% in efficiency savings in production is a lot though...
Hopefully this thing does well enough to where Asus will keep bringing these to market next gen as well.
Looks a lot like the old Alienware Alpha R2. Cool to see that much horse power in a NUC.
imagine if they turned this nuc into a steam machine, it certainly wouldnt take over the console market cus of price but with proton compatability should be much better
I was thinking the same thing, I still use my Alienware Steam Machine R2 for casual gaming with the family and would love to get a (reasonably priced) replacement eventually
Shout out to the editors at 1:15. Attention to details
Yep, even simple TTS like this is soooooo much better than a pinned comment or purely visual overlay.. It just so happened that I glanced at another browser window when it happened so if not for the audio swap I would have missed the correction
I really want one man, mount this to the back of a 1080p 120hz monitor and you've got a sweet little portable gaming rig/ workstation
i somehow always recall gto shonan 14days if seeing these small gaming system, so many options for pc nowadays
That is an ABSURD price. This is going nowhere, and ASUS has only themselves to blame.
The pricing isnt completely out to lunch but at this pricing you could easily get a better base rig from minisforum with a destop gpu and enclosure for less while still having better performance across the board. Unless you're just that space constrained, this doesnt really make any sense.
this is way better than a minisforum in the configuration showed. Hell, they're not even comparable as they're for different portions of the market price wise. This is for users that need power in a small size. Miniforums is modest, this is EXTREME!
I am hoping for ASUS to provide an affordable NUC. I am using an 8th gen Intel NUC for my plex server, and I am looking to replace it for something stronger but still very power efficient and low TDP.
Then you might wanna take a look at the Minisforum EM680
Get a used dell optiplex micro.
If it gave the same results as w6800, then it's giving RTX 3060 ti (desktop) level results😮. Wow
This mini pcs are great for divorced parents kids, still remember bringing my nuc in school on friday becuz my dad will pick me up and will stay with him every weekend
Problem with that and any other “transportable” use case is that laptops nearly as fast exist in a similar price range.
@@tormaid42 problem with laptops are they are heavy and big thats why this exist, a laptop cant even fit in my school bag when i was a kid but pc can
As some one who owns ROG G20, the only thing I am worried about when it comes to this ROG NUC is the Cmos battery replacement and how hard it will be (something that one will have to do at some point). But since this is a bare bone, I hope that ASUS engineers have placed Cmos battery in some easy to access place. Also.... This ROG NUC reminds me about the old Asus ROG G8 mini PC...
EDIT: one more thing. This PC lacks rear audio jacks, so if you have 5.1 or 7.1 speakers, you will most likely need an additional USB external sound card, which kinda sucks. I would gladly sacrifice 1 Display port for 3x Audio Jacks.
Tommy
ROG Toys, not a gaming PC !
Need audio, just connect a monitor, or ATMOS setup, nobody buys Soundblasters in 2024 !
Monitors audio passthroughs are often terrible @@lucasrem
@@lucasrem Yeah, but I have a very good sounding Logitech 5.1 speakers and those require plain and normal 3x audio jacks. The only way I know of to connect them to device that does not have proper input is to add some input via USB adapter - which external USB sound card is. Besides, ITX motherboards still do have rear audio jacks for that very reason. So on top of having an extremely overpriced gaming mini PC, you still need to buy SSD, RAM, and in my case an external sound card... This thing looks less & less appealing tbh lol. You are right when you said it is "a Toy"... very expensive one. Minisforum mini gaming PC looks like a very good deal when compared to what Asus did.
I have the Hades Canyon and it has an analog/optical combination audio port but not 3 analog ports. I probably have the same Logitech sound system you have and I use the optical audio port. I also have a sound blaster USB DAC for use with my Razer tiamat true 7.1 channel headset which uses analog audio.
The truth is that all previous connections are pretty much obsolete now, USB C/4 can carry enough bandwidth for lossless high res 12 channel audio (7.1.4)
I would prefer to see the same cooling solution on both processors (CPU and GPU) because if it has a smart power distribution, the CPU is always at a disadvantage with cooling. Intel NUC's lowest price was around $350, so I don't know how I would look at that $1800 price without everything.
I want a full review! I like mini-PCs, especially gaming ones.
First time I've noticed it but glad that LMG really paid attention to criticism from Gamers Nexus and dubbed over mistakes when talking about product specs instead of just visually correcting it like before.
LOL at the Robotic Voice over correcting the mistake. Funny at least you guys are making the correction now!
115 Watt TDP! Gosh no wonder you felt heat coming out from the fans. I had mentioned before to a friend of mine that you don't have to game with mega amounts of cores you can game with a Quad Core CPU and I suggest a Six Core CPU would be sweet on the spot and will be cooler and never overheat. 16 cores is an overkill and basically calling for a fire to start inside of the tiny compact case. NUC PCs should be cooler not faster. Also since it will be compact just like a laptop, the CPU doesn't need to be Overclocked as it will create heat. It needs to run at base speeds. Can you please tell us if ASUS will be selling these NUCs with dual lan ports? Thanks.
Bro I had my Twitch stream paused at this time, and when 1:14 had that TTS played, i'm like "WTH I thought I paused my Twitch stream". Totally caught me off guard.
For those prices, you could get a gaming laptop with similar class of specs, that also comes with a keyboard, a nice screen and a battery.
debatable, I have a strix scar 17 with a 4080 and although it's most def more powerful, it's also more cumbersome and it takes a shit ton or space on my desk when I am also using a monitor. Laptop keyboards are mid, I prefer to use my own so to me that's not important and about a battery.. if you are using any decent gaming laptop you will ALWAYS have it plugged in because the battery life is abysmal and turbo mode or GPU power draw is almost always restricted on battery..
Price seems a tad high for what's basically a gaming laptop in a chassis with less features - no screen, keyboard, track pad, or battery - with the only real advantages likely being higher total power and better(ish) thermal solutions.
Would be curious how this performs against ROG laptops of a similar price point.
At this point, what is the use of a NUC, if its so power intensive and expensive?
I know that the price is definitely more expensive compared to just building your own PC, but this ROG NUC is something that I've been looking for. A small PC that you can take anywhere.
While yes gaming laptops can do that too, they take up more space than the NUC and it's hard to hook up an external monitor if you have limited desk space.
Plus, since they don't have a battery or charging port you don't have to worry about wearing them out
@@swordimpulse07So long as you have reliable power though. If you live somewhere that has outages once in a while then the NUC might not be for you.
Not that I need it (just built a new full desktop) but I LOVE the small form factor builds. I would love to see that in a higher TDP package but honestly it's a very powerful system in a tiny package which is amazing and I'm happy to see them pulling this off.
For the same price you can get a laptop with the same if not better GPU with a higher TGP, a better CPU, and possibly better cooling. Not to mention a trackpad, keyboard and screen built in. I really want to like this product but for them to literally sell you a laptop spec machine minus the benefits of a laptop for the same price is insane.
I have a 12700H and 3070ti in my laptop with a 150W TGP that absolutely rips. 16GB DDR5, 1TB SSD, HDMI 2.1, thunderbolt 4, WiFi 6E, etc.
Got it on sale for $1,800 and saw it on clearance for $1,300 6 months later. I could never justify buying a NUC system when laptops are such an excellent value these days and have all of the same capabilities plus more.
From the official (EU) announcement, the pricing of the ROG thing places it well above an entry-level gaming laptop with the same specs. Which makes it more of a niche than I would've liked to have seen.
Prices are insane!
I can build a 4060 low profile, mini Itx system for half the price and it will occupy only a couple of liters of volume more, with probabily better performance.
For 1.200 - 1.400 could have been an option, above 1.700 it's out of consideration
Watercooling and fabric pci-e level expansion with gpus would make it killer easy to make a solid PC cafe style experience
The question for this product is whether a comparable laptop with the same specs would cost as much and performance similarly. The thing about Asus laptops, i can always find them for under MSRP. I wouldn't mind a NUC if the price is retail stores is significantly discounted.
I am just happy Asus is keeping the spirit of the NUC alive.
Asus has been selling their version of nuc for years in other countries it's just now they'll be adopting the name too + more markets
Its cool, butit feels like you could buy a laptop with similar specs/performance for about the same if not slightly less money and get a screen, keyboard (and ofc the ability to take it with you). I guess economy of scale and competition comes more into play with laptops
I think you just accidentally described all NUCs and mini PCs... ever...
Yeah this is what I was thinking. If you are patient you can get a 4070 laptop for 1-1.2K so this seems pretty pricey for what it is.
I bought the nuc 11 enthusiast rtx 2060 kit (barebone) back when it came out for $1100 mainly for retro gaming and its still a beast. Asus name on it explains the extra couple hundred but I bet it's gonna be a monster if the original nuc team designed it.
Looking at it, I was thinking "thin client" more than a NUC. Very interesting!
I think they kinda see the wrong market. Instead of advertising is for gamers, advertise it for companies. A lot of people use it as a probe or a smart”er” tv solution etc
Even though it's really cool to have that much power in a NUC formfactor, that pricing is nuts, paying essentially a 1000 dollars just for the formfactor and a 1000 for the hardware.
While if you build a small ITX sized PC (small footprint, albeit it not as small as NUC, still smaller than full tower) and similar hardware you'd literally be at about half the price....
Still waiting for somebody or Valve put out proper gaming box/steam box, with proper GDDR6 with 256 Bit memory bus+, and with DDR4/or DDR5 system memory and running steam os. Not bloated windows. Valve said steam os is coming desktop pc and other devices. We just don’t know when.
Not bad Nuc, but we don’t see too many with proper dedicated Vram. It’s Always DDR5.
Correct me if you can, but I thought that the reading of NUC was supposed to be "nook", because it's meant to be placed in a smaller place
I've two intel nuc pcs, they were both amazing, I mean they still are. Cant wait what the asus will bring
Reminds me of my NUC Hades; conked out after 18 months of light usage. Luckily I was able to claim warranty and they replaced with 2 units.
I wonder if they will also continue and hopefully improve the Extreme line.
If they keep them small, don't overprice them, don't make them as ugly as most Asus products, and don't skimp on Ports, meaning TB4 is a must and no more slow sub USB 3.2 Gen 2 insults, then they could be quite interesting.
My 2990WX scores a 1478 in MT with 32-cores, and if I want to I could stretch the performance so the Threadripper CPU is more multi-thread focused and it will pull 1689 on 32-cores.
Jake is the only reason I sometimes watch lmg.
If they do it right this could be amazing they can put laptop cpus with desktop class gpus and get amazing performance in a tiny package for people who travel or need something small with tons of power it could be great like double or triple Xbox series performance in a package a third of the price and with the new integrated intel graphics being pretty insane they could make some super custom chips in a insanely small package like better than rog ally performance in the size of an external hard drive
FYI - the graphic that comes on screen when you're talking about the specs says Intel Arc graphics and not the Nvidia stuff being referenced throughout the video.
I would love to see a igpu + dual nic, maybe even sfp+ in there.
At 7:44, that's Jason from PC Builder! I think.... yea video bomb!
This would be great hope they also make a monitor mount in one of there monitors to make a all in one PC.
Nice to see the NUC living on thru ASUS. Hope the LTT crew that went to CES didn't succumb to the CES Flu and go home sick. Heard it was going around.
Would prefer a non "ROG" branded NUC for the average user at a lower price point.
That looks some much like the Nuc 12 Gaming model (NUC12SNKi7) that i very seriously doubt Asus have done anything more (at least this generation), that slapped some ROG branding onto the 99% completed intel model.
And the gaming NUC models, with dedicated GPUs from AMD or nVidia were always "pricy". But your paying for a solid and very well engineered product.
the tjmax on the core ultra 7 is 110 degrees C. so that is why it reached 106C on a big turbo thing then the 70-80 C is extremely nice temps for a cpu like this. most laptop run at 99C constantly under load anyway
I commend Asus for not being dicks to LTT even though they were dropped as a sponsor for being a shitty company.
As a prev owner of an alienware laptop,
I have to say that bespoke products such as these would be extremely difficult to repair after few years,
If u can afford to change it every 3-4 years, then by all means go ahead,
But an itx machine will go a long wayy
NUC's are what I'm interested in and we really should be way further along than we are.
I blame the nVidia for wanting to keep exploiting the dedicated GPU market; I mean look at the 4090; it's basically a computer itself.
With Asus now owning the NUC lineup will you finally make a mini PC build/buy guide on the main channel?????????
Excited to see Asus stepping into the NUC game. The price seems a bit steep but if the performance is as good as you say, it just might dominate the small PC market.
You can get well spec’d 4070 laptops for $1200…and that’s not barebones. Nice concept, but like 50% too high on price (yes I realize this is normal for NUCs). Hell, my i9 4070 32GB 1TB Legion 5 Pro was $1499, and I’ve seen it cheaper than that.
Imagine a tiny pc half the size of this one with a powerful laptop cpu storage and ram paired with asus external graphics card like a 4090 that would be absolutely insane power in a tiny setup
Hopefully on the smaller ones they keep the Dual HDMI Dual Ethernet option on the latest Intel NUC Pros.
Really interested to see what they. Ring out in the smaller form factor. Wouldn’t mind if they got a little larger to enable better I/O.
I’d love if they did an integrated PSU design similar to MacMini.
I have to assume Intel was already working on this as a Serpent Canyon successor before the turnover and Asus is just putting the finishing touches.
Can't wait! Hope this can be paired with a light weight GAN power adapter.
Oh yeah I absolutely want a review. And I'd also like an analysis on the reasoning of why a laptop CPU instead of a socketable one, too.
They surely dont expect to sell many. Target audience would be rich people or off-grid people that need more than a laptop.
Cuz ofc the rest of gamers would end up putting together a system in small ITX cases.
I can't wait for this thing to come out. Any updates on when this lil device will finally be available?
Somebody at home with a Radeon Pro 6800 just did the "Leonardo DiCaprio Points at the screen" and says "Hey! I got one of those"
Props to Asus for offering a barebones option hope they actually end up doing it
I want more like this. I don't know why we only have tiny PC's and towers. Where is the video game console sized PC? I want it for my TV. Lets revive the Steam Machine!
and like that, the Steam Box / Steam Machine / PC Console Hybrid era returns; and this time the hardware and software is ready.
The fact they let you take that apart... bold move ASUS you got my respect.
I like how small it is and I also like the fact it would be great for my lounge which has a 4K normal tv which is 50hz so I could play my games on max settings with a cool system.
Only problem will be the price as you can get last years razor blade laptop for similar money.
How are they selling it for higher price then a 4070 laptops? It the same hardware but without a monitor, keyboard, battery and all the other laptop stuff
Seems crazy to me, the price is like at least 500$ off
That Asus Rep nervous laughter look 😊
I mean, I would want to see how it handles various pro workloads and compare it to equivalently performant laptops in price. If it is competent and competitive, it could be an interesting alternative for travel work computers in scenarios where you expect a display to be present at the destination. It could also be an interesting solution for space conscious deployments. It has been a hot minute since I've needed to research laptops, but it is an interesting consideration I would look at for school/work environment computer fleets.
id love to see you buying the barebone higher tier system, upgrading it to the max and maybe idk, modify something about it, artsy case or sth
5:05 what i say every time a relative asks me to fix something lol
It needs two Ethernet ports ... This isn't going to be the main machine it either will be a streaming/transcoding device or a mini server or like an encoding machine for live video game streaming or what not so it needs a direct fast connection to a main device and an other (even slow e.g 1gbs) to the rest of the Network
WELL?? Did you assemble it correctly??? Did it POST after the video hahahahah!
I wish we could get NUC's with built in power supply to make keeping desks tidier easier.
Haha disassembling right there, didn't expect that! awesome!
I'm looking forward to the Asus ROG NUC, I just bought a Zotac mini gaming pc with a 13th gen intel cpu and an RTX 4070 but I prefer the Asus ROG brand. Asus would make it easy to buy one (as well as support it) as Zotac is can't seem to keep any good mini pc in stock. Overall they seem to treat the segment like unwanted trash. I understand it's a niche market but they can at least pretend to care.
After owning a few gaming laptops in my younger years and then trying a mini gaming pc I'm now COMPLETELY sold on mini PC's. Mini gaming pc's offer everything I want in a portable gaming machine and DO NOT have the unreasonable fan noise any decent gaming laptop would. I'm very sensitive to it and I don't like using headphones. I literally only use headphones for occasional multiplayer gaming, speakers for everything else. The portable battery aspect is a f***ing joke, who's buying a gaming laptop for gaming not connected to a wall? that's impractical and let's face it , no one is using a touch pad to aim so that mean's you're carrying at least a gaming mouse. I personally only use controllers unless it's a competitive game or RTS.