@ I’m here because of byrna and I want them to be the Best but when a 60year old walks right through a head shot it has failed its purpose. Even the gavel is not strong enough as there is a video of a buff dude taking multiple shots not at once and still being able to attack got shot right on the quad and didn’t even limp.
@@ktv9247 Thanks for the comment. I never advise using only kinetic munitions on civilian NLWs [Non Lethal Weapons] . Due to the propulsion systems and power output, chemical munitions are the most effective at repelling a forward moving threat.
Thanks for sharing your opinion. I too prefer the trigger pull to charge method of the Byrna and feel that it's applicable for more situations than something like the PIstelle. Different tools for different jobs. I'm sure you'll hear from Joule junkies who really haven't thought it all through very carefully.
I contacted Byrna and asked them to justify the lower power of their pistol. They said their strong point is the speed of deployment and lower liability on the shooter.
@ I agree. Lower power isn’t a liability if the launcher is used for the right situations. I’ve come to appreciate the legally-wise value of the Byrna platform and the fact that non-lethal attacks are the most common.
@@ktv9247 Lawful firearm owners would never choose the X68 because why risk going to jail or getting a felony over a non-lethal threat. The Byrna is perfect for non-felons. That's why it's so popular.
I have both the Byrna SD and the Pistelle X-68. Yes, the X-68 is stronger and sounds like a .380 going off, but I regularly get just 8 shots with mine. My Byrna is lighter, more compact, and I have three mags. I installed a copy of Mercy's 12 gram adapter, so I can shoot all three mags if need be. I do carry pepperballs, so the lower velocity works for me. I primarily carry it when in the park with my kid. If someone's dog goes after her, I wouldn't hesitate to take a shot (versus my Glock 23!), and the dog may not respond to the first mag. Also, if there are multiple attackers, having two maore mags gives a little more piece of mind. I do have the X-68 out at home since we keep the firearms loaded but in a safe-- the plan is to use it to buy time while going for the AR. The less-lethal community is like the gun community, there's a lot of fanboys invested in one brand over another, but these are all just layers in the same self-defense nacho dip bowl...
@ I was repeating what you said I agree with you the slap bottom quick puncture I prefer for stand. I love all of the FSC style guns but for every day carry the SD or LE is better for a deterrent that’s in your waist or on your hip and this simply very easy to deploy like you said as long as the pepper balls and the hard rounds hit, you got a chance to get away and that’s his job
Yes Sir, the weapon isn't loaded and prepped for video. I have yet to chrono the 9.9 but I only load with the first shot impact round and subsequent chemical rounds. I'll be creating a video on how I load my NLWs
I also own a push to pierce and twist to pierce CO2 cartridge guns. For those guns, I leave the safety off because I consider the piercing to be my “safety“ and one less step to think about.
grimburg is coming out with the Grimburg Kinetics 6 Gram CS + OC Irritant Projectiles 68 Caliber. these are the only chemical munitions currently capable of being utilized in high joule NLWs, which would be perfect for the Pistelle.
@WestCoastUSA546 yes Sir, it's a personal preference of operational functionality. I have the X68 in my NLW arsenal and it has its place. Thank you for the comment.
Dont matter byrna is not stopping any one.
with quality chemical munitions and proper shot placement, the Byrna le is fully capable of repelling a hostiles forward advance.
@ I’m here because of byrna and I want them to be the Best but when a 60year old walks right through a head shot it has failed its purpose. Even the gavel is not strong enough as there is a video of a buff dude taking multiple shots not at once and still being able to attack got shot right on the quad and didn’t even limp.
@@ktv9247 Thanks for the comment. I never advise using only kinetic munitions on civilian NLWs [Non Lethal Weapons] . Due to the propulsion systems and power output, chemical munitions are the most effective at repelling a forward moving threat.
Thanks for sharing your opinion. I too prefer the trigger pull to charge method of the Byrna and feel that it's applicable for more situations than something like the PIstelle. Different tools for different jobs. I'm sure you'll hear from Joule junkies who really haven't thought it all through very carefully.
I contacted Byrna and asked them to justify the lower power of their pistol. They said their strong point is the speed of deployment and lower liability on the shooter.
@ I agree. Lower power isn’t a liability if the launcher is used for the right situations. I’ve come to appreciate the legally-wise value of the Byrna platform and the fact that non-lethal attacks are the most common.
Nope dude Walked off a headshot from byrna. P68 is safer no debate twist pull or whatever you want.
@@ktv9247 Lawful firearm owners would never choose the X68 because why risk going to jail or getting a felony over a non-lethal threat. The Byrna is perfect for non-felons. That's why it's so popular.
Thanks for the insight and the holster link!
Great Points! Thanks
I have both the Byrna SD and the Pistelle X-68. Yes, the X-68 is stronger and sounds like a .380 going off, but I regularly get just 8 shots with mine. My Byrna is lighter, more compact, and I have three mags. I installed a copy of Mercy's 12 gram adapter, so I can shoot all three mags if need be. I do carry pepperballs, so the lower velocity works for me.
I primarily carry it when in the park with my kid. If someone's dog goes after her, I wouldn't hesitate to take a shot (versus my Glock 23!), and the dog may not respond to the first mag. Also, if there are multiple attackers, having two maore mags gives a little more piece of mind. I do have the X-68 out at home since we keep the firearms loaded but in a safe-- the plan is to use it to buy time while going for the AR.
The less-lethal community is like the gun community, there's a lot of fanboys invested in one brand over another, but these are all just layers in the same self-defense nacho dip bowl...
BUT still nice to have
@Urbanlesslethal Yes Sir, it is. there's a place for every NLW in an arsenal
@ I was repeating what you said I agree with you the slap bottom quick puncture I prefer for stand. I love all of the FSC style guns but for every day carry the SD or LE is better for a deterrent that’s in your waist or on your hip and this simply very easy to deploy like you said as long as the pepper balls and the hard rounds hit, you got a chance to get away and that’s his job
Is Byrna not on SAFE for a reason?
Have you tried 9.9 gram balls? I have not chronographed them lately. Your thoughts?
Yes Sir, the weapon isn't loaded and prepped for video. I have yet to chrono the 9.9 but I only load with the first shot impact round and subsequent chemical rounds. I'll be creating a video on how I load my NLWs
I also own a push to pierce and twist to pierce CO2 cartridge guns. For those guns, I leave the safety off because I consider the piercing to be my “safety“ and one less step to think about.
I still keep my Byrna close because of the superior trigger pull pierce.
Dont be fooled by made in America…more like assembled in America.
The auto industry should tell you all about made in America quality
If a guy was charging you with a knife and you can only choose one, would it still be that byrna? Please keep it 💯
grimburg is coming out with the Grimburg Kinetics 6 Gram CS + OC Irritant Projectiles 68 Caliber. these are the only chemical munitions currently capable of being utilized in high joule NLWs, which would be perfect for the Pistelle.
Byrna is ASSEMBLED in the USA, not really made.
X- 68 made in Finland.
European QUALITY
AND IS MUCH MORE POWERFUL!!👍
@WestCoastUSA546 yes Sir, it's a personal preference of operational functionality. I have the X68 in my NLW arsenal and it has its place. Thank you for the comment.