Tak. Większość lokomotyw spalinowych działa na zasadzie: silnik spalinowy napędza prądnicę, a ona zasila elektryczne silniki trakcyjne. Ale np nowy spalinowóz VOITH Maxima 40CC ma "mechaniczne" przełożenie na zestawy kołowe poprzez przekładnię hydrokinetyczną.
Мы имеем дело с тепловозом тэм2 а тут имеем дгу дизель генераторную установку . Т. Е. Значит имеем тэд тяговый электродвигатель. А выше описанное тобой называют тгм тепловоз на гидромеханике . Поэтому писать классы тепловозов нужно грамотно и качественно.
This was a common practice for steamers commonly seen during departure as the spinning wheel action was clean wheels off from coal and/or oil residue before they were equipped with sanders. However Railway companies didn't like that idea do to excessive ware the wheels and leaving flattened spots on tracks and having to replaced often.
Zwrotnica to dość szerokie pojęcie. Są miejsca gdzie w szczególnych przypadkach można sobie na to pozwolić. Byle nie sypać piachu na iglice a co za tym idzie na płyty ślizgowe oraz mechanizmy. Gdybyśmy nie zaczęli piaskować utknęlibyśmy na rozjazdach lub ew uszkodzilibyśmy trwale rozjazd. A z piasku zawsze można mechanizmy oczyścić przy użyciu np sprężonego powietrza. Pozdrawiam :).
Using sanders while passing through crossrails is prohibited on Polish Railways, but blocking or damaging those would be probably worse. That's why the operator was reluctant to do so.
@RerailMe, in 1:45 You see a 060DA loco. 060DA has a broken bearing of traction motor and the TEM2 loco is pulling her to workshop. Because wheel was stock we use some oil and thats why we have a wheelslip in TEM2 ;)
First: add sand to increase friction between the wet rails and the wheels. Second: add oil to decrease friction between the sand-covered rails and the wheels.
Oh, no...you missed the scene the wheel crushed all those stones... So when train is on low speed, it is safe to put stones on rail as they serve as sand to increase the friction. Thanks for sharing this!
tmechatronik 8 years ago @RerailMe, in 1:45 You see a 060DA loco. 060DA has a broken bearing of traction motor and the TEM2 loco is pulling her to workshop. Because wheel was (stuck) we use some oil and thats why we have a wheelslip in TEM2 ;)
After watching again, good question. We don't even know if he/she had any traction motors cut out. So I'll stick with my first opinion without getting too technical lol. That's just what I do to avoid wheel slip. Heavy grade at my facility when shoving back with railcars attached. At least our consist is two SD 40-2's so it isn't a total nightmare.
That makes more sense now. I was wondering what the hell you were talking about when you mentioned tires and sleeper cabs lol. But I figured I would just give the benefit of the doubt haha.
NO WONDER THAT LOCOMOTIVE IS HAVING A HARD TIME! LOOK AT THE WHEEL AT 1:45!!...ITS STUCK!!!! That wheel will definitely need replacement after that train reaches its destination.
OMG I heard sanding by hand but I never hear/saw sanding by placing stones on the tracks. That was interesting. Just keep the sand box filled. Or you will be the sander.
@tmechatronik właśnie mnie nurtuje to pytanie, dlaczego tylko jeden zestaw kołowy napędza skład i tu ślizga się a pozostałe zestawy nie napędzają, bynajmnie to tak widać
@tmechatronik So I assume is a helper unit loco...but if the bearing is broken and the wheel is stuck and its connected to a traction motor...then the motor will get busted if it is trying to move the wheel and its stuck. Or do those traction motors have a way of shuting down individually in a case like that bye means of a fuse or something?
@tmechatronik Oh..I understand now...thanks for the reply. But if that wheel with broken bearing is connected to a traction motor...would the traction motor be damaged because its is trying to move the wheel? Or can these motors be turned off manualy?
on heavy oversize loads (road vehicles, mercedes tractor units) we use the handbrake when they wheelspin, but only because the other option is to back off the power and stop or keep max power on! This bounces all the stuff from the sleeper cab onto the dash and driver etc as the tyres tramp, and , it can turn prop shafts into corkscrews!
im no train expert bu i do love them was he putting tracks on the track to help for traction when the train crushed them? and at the end of the video what was that pulsating hiss of air...
P.S A co do zgarniaczy, to jest orginalny zgarniacz, który w Polsce się nie stosuje. Jedna Tamara z PTK'u taki miała ale musiała zostać zdemontowana ;)
I used to work with polish, russian and german drivers, when the stuf from the cab goes flying they make hilarious sounding swearwords! "SHIZEN SHIZEN!!!" LOL.
@RerailMe there was broken bearing -IN- traction motor. He was so damaged that wheel can't move :) btw In locomotive series that i know (and drive) there is no option to turn off (maualy) connection wheel--electric traction motor. There is one option to cut the main gear but its very complicated. :)
@RerailMe well, the best way to learn, that i figured for myself, is to talk to those people who are directly related to railways. Don't know about your country (?), but we in Russia have quite a number of internet boards related to rail transport. I get my questions answered there :)
I have seen this before. It’s not necessarily an electrical problem. The truck frame might be tweaked. There may also be a spot on the plates that may be worn, or there is a rust buildup in an unusual place. I have seen this happen on a center axle of an SD45. I have worked with a LOT of heavy equipment, and sometimes the most mundane of problems can do incredible things that “look” like it takes a team of specialists. Look to the stupid stuff, first. Simple fixes are usually all that is needed!
@@jameslange7937 Nie wpada - po to masz specjalny profil. Koło zewnętrzne pchane przez szynę (a nie żadna siła odśrodkowa) podchodzi częścią o większej średnicy czyli przy tych samych obrotach pokonuje większą drogę i poślizgu (praktycznie) nie ma. PS @tmechatronik: na 100% nie ma? Bo podobno przy przekładni hydraulicznej między wózkowe się zdarzały.
Рекомендации ютуба, это как отдельный вид искусства.
Tak. Większość lokomotyw spalinowych działa na zasadzie: silnik spalinowy napędza prądnicę, a ona zasila elektryczne silniki trakcyjne. Ale np nowy spalinowóz VOITH Maxima 40CC ma "mechaniczne" przełożenie na zestawy kołowe poprzez przekładnię hydrokinetyczną.
Хххххххххххххххххх
Мы имеем дело с тепловозом тэм2 а тут имеем дгу дизель генераторную установку . Т. Е. Значит имеем тэд тяговый электродвигатель. А выше описанное тобой называют тгм тепловоз на гидромеханике . Поэтому писать классы тепловозов нужно грамотно и качественно.
@@Bamboosek87 нет здесь тэд тяговый электрический двигатель на тепловозах серии тэм
This was a common practice for steamers commonly seen during departure as the spinning wheel action was clean wheels off from coal and/or oil residue before they were equipped with sanders. However Railway companies didn't like that idea do to excessive ware the wheels and leaving flattened spots on tracks and having to replaced often.
Thank you for this wonderful collection of footage!
Zwrotnica to dość szerokie pojęcie. Są miejsca gdzie w szczególnych przypadkach można sobie na to pozwolić. Byle nie sypać piachu na iglice a co za tym idzie na płyty ślizgowe oraz mechanizmy. Gdybyśmy nie zaczęli piaskować utknęlibyśmy na rozjazdach lub ew uszkodzilibyśmy trwale rozjazd. A z piasku zawsze można mechanizmy oczyścić przy użyciu np sprężonego powietrza.
Pozdrawiam :).
GReat video....True rail therapy....All the best from Romania....Your work is great...I like IT!!!!
Using sanders while passing through crossrails is prohibited on Polish Railways, but blocking or damaging those would be probably worse. That's why the operator was reluctant to do so.
The wheelslip and wheelslide polish the rails real good. No wonder the tops are so smooth and shiny that they reflect like mirrors. 😆
Railtops are smooth not because they are polished but rather _rolled_ that smooth by wheels.
Nice movie, Choo choo 🚂🚃🚋🚃🚋🚃🚋🚃🚋🚃🚋🚃🚋🚃
@RerailMe, in 1:45 You see a 060DA loco. 060DA has a broken bearing of traction motor and the TEM2 loco is pulling her to workshop. Because wheel was stock we use some oil and thats why we have a wheelslip in TEM2 ;)
First: add sand to increase friction between the wet rails and the wheels.
Second: add oil to decrease friction between the sand-covered rails and the wheels.
I have such deep respect for traction motors
Oh, no...you missed the scene the wheel crushed all those stones...
So when train is on low speed, it is safe to put stones on rail as they serve as sand to increase the friction. Thanks for sharing this!
guys superman was at rear of the locomotive... his cape was stuck in coupler
Or they may have been some kryptonite in one of the train cars.
how the hell would a cape get stuck in a chain
0:56 - bardzo podoba mi się ten moment ;) 5*
Tu nie o brutto poszło a o to, że rumun miał zakleszczoną jedną oś a tory były lekko polane olejem, żeby się jakoś ślizgnął na szopę.
*20 mins later* Now where did I leave my gloves?
I don't understand what it means?
@@theeagleeye9175 lol a comment from 9 hours ago on 11 years old video
at 0:55 he just threw his gloves onto a ladder
It helps to release the brakes before applying power
So wet
Sounds effectiveless
tmechatronik
8 years ago
@RerailMe, in 1:45 You see a 060DA loco. 060DA has a broken bearing of traction motor and the TEM2 loco is pulling her to workshop. Because wheel was (stuck) we use some oil and thats why we have a wheelslip in TEM2 ;)
@@poprawa to know the background is ever better than all theories of any other commentator-expert. 👍
Great work....Epic images....Thumbs up!!!
After watching again, good question. We don't even know if he/she had any traction motors cut out.
So I'll stick with my first opinion without getting too technical lol. That's just what I do to avoid wheel slip. Heavy grade at my facility when shoving back with railcars attached. At least our consist is two SD 40-2's so it isn't a total nightmare.
@MarioGwo, wszystkie 6 zestawów napędzało ale nie wszystkie wpadały w poślizg i dlatego nie było tego za dobrze widać :)
They see me rollin’, they hatin’ 😎
That makes more sense now. I was wondering what the hell you were talking about when you mentioned tires and sleeper cabs lol. But I figured I would just give the benefit of the doubt haha.
PALENIE ,,ŻELAZA, POCIĄGIEM NA SZYNACH AUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU haha, stary. Spróbuj w Chrzanowie ogarnąć kiedy jazdę parowozem. Pozdrowionka Mordeczko ;)
Wow, so much tons of weight can slip on a thin film of water.
Wow great!! Saw first time
Happy Railfaning
안전운전 하시기를
Piasek :).
Ve výhybkách je to zakázané, nejde-li o kriticky případ (=brždění)
Sand in polish
Trabalho incrível parabéns
Excellent. 💙 T.E.N.
Great video, there is a lot of heat created in the friction.
I'm here watching a train doing a burnout...
lmao same here xdd
Epic_Viper lmao
Epic_Viper yaaaaaa bro
😂😂😂
Epic_Viper fydn
A wszystko dlatego że nie zmienił kół na zimowe.🤗🤗🤗
Песочка -- тема)
Putting ballast stones on the track is a great idea!
Fun fact: its called "putting potatos"
NO WONDER THAT LOCOMOTIVE IS HAVING A HARD TIME! LOOK AT THE WHEEL AT 1:45!!...ITS STUCK!!!! That wheel will definitely need replacement after that train reaches its destination.
Nice video.
Subhanalloh deh iso nyusun komponen besar2 gitu. Dan bentuknya bisa pas komponen 1 dg komponen lain.
OMG I heard sanding by hand but I never hear/saw sanding by placing stones on the tracks. That was interesting.
Just keep the sand box filled. Or you will be the sander.
yeah that's the first I have ever seen that too, i'll keep that in mind next time im at work lol.
@@TheChosenOne862 what job do you have, though?
(Expecting to see a job completely unrelated to rail tracks)
@@Santibag yard engineer / conductor. we regularly push and pull up grades with 60 year old switchers so wheel slip happens very often.
@tmechatronik właśnie mnie nurtuje to pytanie, dlaczego tylko jeden zestaw kołowy napędza skład i tu ślizga się a pozostałe zestawy nie napędzają, bynajmnie to tak widać
@tmechatronik So I assume is a helper unit loco...but if the bearing is broken and the wheel is stuck and its connected to a traction motor...then the motor will get busted if it is trying to move the wheel and its stuck.
Or do those traction motors have a way of shuting down individually in a case like that bye means of a fuse or something?
Aren’t those tubes supposed to shoot out sand for traction?
@The3bola, no a czemu miałaby nie jeździć w Polsce? Długi okres czasu jeździła na manewrach w ZWK
@tmechatronik Oh..I understand now...thanks for the reply.
But if that wheel with broken bearing is connected to a traction motor...would the traction motor be damaged because its is trying to move the wheel? Or can these motors be turned off manualy?
Nice train jack
Beautiful video
zamiast się przyglądać to trzeba było "kartofle sadzić ":);) Film spoko podoba się:) Pozdrawiam
GREAT VIDEO! rarely see this up close, thanks
It reccomended me after 11 years
Mr Miyagi would say: "Sand the floor" :P
Success for Channel you 👍🙂
Mechatroniku, film REWELACJA. ;)
Ładne szlifowanie szyn
u778
Какие это умельцы так эл. схему напутали, что, при движении "вперёд", песок подаётся под 6-ю ось в противоположном направлении!
on heavy oversize loads (road vehicles, mercedes tractor units) we use the handbrake when they wheelspin, but only because the other option is to back off the power and stop or keep max power on!
This bounces all the stuff from the sleeper cab onto the dash and driver etc as the tyres tramp, and , it can turn prop shafts into corkscrews!
To jak mu się koła ślizgają.
To nagrałeś dla zabawy?!
Czy piasecznica niedziała?!
Best burnout ever
Imagine the friction temperature
ActsisMMLJ CorrectlyObeyed I definitely wouldn't want to go up and put my hand on it.
@ActsisMMLJ Correctly Obeyed: It can easily reach 1'300°C and above. More than enough to generate sparks.
@@Bandicoot803 Sparks are from crushed sand, steel is fine and well in usable range
Every corner is generating slips, as two wheels are on same axis but with different distances to end of a corner
@@poprawa Ahhh thanks
im no train expert bu i do love them was he putting tracks on the track to help for traction when the train crushed them? and at the end of the video what was that pulsating hiss of air...
Yes - rocks+wheel=sand. Sand increase friction.
Air: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox_(locomotive)
very nice.
wow you are here!
@@me.junaid yes i would trying spikiming my dorven
નનનંઔઔઔથથતંઐઠછછખઘઙઙઙબભભ
That's cool
Nice video guys 👍
super film dodaje do ulubionych 5*
@RerailMe it should be possible to shut down individual motors manually. At least by means of contact wires or something like that.
P.S A co do zgarniaczy, to jest orginalny zgarniacz, który w Polsce się nie stosuje. Jedna Tamara z PTK'u taki miała ale musiała zostać zdemontowana ;)
No no super ciekawy film! 5*
I used to work with polish, russian and german drivers, when the stuf from the cab goes flying they make hilarious sounding swearwords!
"SHIZEN SHIZEN!!!" LOL.
great capture
Ура. Нашел русский комментарий 7-ми летней давности. Очень любопытно видеть такое обилие не русских комментариев к русскому тепловозу
Bardzo piękny film. 5 *
Could it be that just 1 axle with the wheels does no longer comes in good contact with the rails due to suspension problems?
A gdzie macie piasek ?
I czemu nie podnieśli osi tego rumuna ?
Ok everybody. 1, 2, 3...
PUSH.
Cool! Die Bremsen müsst ihr lösen :-)
Что значит боксование? Может быть пробуксовка колес?
Why No Sand in the SandBox to inject sand on the track to generate traction?
Takie pytanie ma 6 osi czemu tylko dwie osie się ślizgały??
kamienie pod kółka ładny widok.
Każda ma osobny silnik, a że silniki ani zestawy kołowe nigdy nie są 100,00% identyczne to od któregoś poślizg się zaczyna.
I can understand the locomotive slipping due to wet rails but....what is wrong with the yellow car's wheels stuck???
@RerailMe there was broken bearing -IN- traction motor. He was so damaged that wheel can't move :) btw In locomotive series that i know (and drive) there is no option to turn off (maualy) connection wheel--electric traction motor. There is one option to cut the main gear but its very complicated. :)
Driver: No grip, no grip
Radio: Box Box Box
Мощщь!
Who greased the tracks?
Run about 10-15psi on the independent and back off as it gets moving...and drop the set! Quite a bit of slip for a 6 axle.
Question: what does a 1000 ton burnout looks like?
Answer:
Driver use seant box nice to see
Рельсошлифовальный ТГМ?
@RerailMe well, the best way to learn, that i figured for myself, is to talk to those people who are directly related to railways. Don't know about your country (?), but we in Russia have quite a number of internet boards related to rail transport. I get my questions answered there :)
Zapach spalonego oleju to jest to ;-))... Ładnie iskry szly... 5/5
😎 this is what its like to burnout with a little giant train
Very nice
Про песок мы, конечно, не слышали
Мы слышали про песок, нельзя сыпать песок на стрелки
Some dope drifts
Where's Superman when you need him ?
No nieźle, młoda rady nie daje 😉
I have seen this before.
It’s not necessarily an electrical problem.
The truck frame might be tweaked.
There may also be a spot on the plates that may be worn, or there is a rust buildup in an unusual place.
I have seen this happen on a center axle of an SD45.
I have worked with a LOT of heavy equipment, and sometimes the most mundane of problems can do incredible things that “look” like it takes a team of specialists.
Look to the stupid stuff, first.
Simple fixes are usually all that is needed!
w tle pasuje GAS GAS GAS
@TransAmDrifter, w układach biegowych wagonów i lokomotyw nie ma dyferencjałów ;-).
@@jameslange7937 Nie wpada - po to masz specjalny profil. Koło zewnętrzne pchane przez szynę (a nie żadna siła odśrodkowa) podchodzi częścią o większej średnicy czyli przy tych samych obrotach pokonuje większą drogę i poślizgu (praktycznie) nie ma.
PS @tmechatronik: na 100% nie ma? Bo podobno przy przekładni hydraulicznej między wózkowe się zdarzały.
Good.
Subscrito a tu chanel
А что это за прерывистый звук? Машинист притормаживает?
The engine driver actually wanted to become a racer
w 1:12 to sie tak kopcilo, czy piasek zaczął działać?