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It's the chip that's embedded in the back of Dreykov's daughter's head where she has memorized the fighting style of certain Avengers makes her lethal. She was very much a terminator.
Even though Taskmaster does have a personality in the comics, I like that she was a T-1000-style assassin who eventually got her humanity back in the end. And I'm sure Marvel will reuse her again and make her more like the Taskmaster in the comics while still using Antonia Dreykov....
One of the other things that bothered me was Dreykov is protected by pheromone cologne. That was just awkward. Melina Vostakoff a scientist couldn't apply some sort of anesthetic to the olfactory nerve? I really thought she was smart?.
Marvel was clever with this one. Instead of doing the Natasha x Barton Budapest story they used this opportunity to instead setup Yelena for the next phase while also giving Natasha the send off we wanted. I really enjoyed it! Especially the visuals!
Too bad they released this at the wrong time. They should've delayed CM (it kinda sucked) and made this way before endgame. Captain Marvel should've been introduced in phase 4 while also teasing a new villain.
I don't think people are giving Ray Winstone enough credit. Even though he didn't have a ton of screentime, I thoroughly hated him. He brought so much sliminess to his character and is probably one of the most despicable people in the MCU. Wish Taskmaster was the one to kill him tho.
I think it'll be better if he gets more screentime. I mean Ray Winstone is a spectacular actor. He can play any role especially antagonist like walking in a park
@@pnut3844able the Marvel logo thing was, but they've never done main credits with actors and producers at the beginning of the movie before. The montage of her training with that song is what I was referring to
The way Yelena reacted at that dinner table, damn that actress seriously killed it. Everything, even her body language was on point for someone who was in her position. She felt extremely betrayed by Melina since she was behind the mind control project so you see her leaning away from her to distance herself from her and the way she appears to not be in complete control of her breathing, it's all stuff that really happens when you're in distress. Top notch man...
And who was it that said it, It was Loki Interesting how him and Nat have been around for so long and now finally get their moments to shine I love them both🥺🥺
I just wish this wasn't 9 years after the seeds tho. This could've come out at least a lil earlier. I mean it could've gotten us attached to Natasha before she died.
Overall, I had a pretty great time with this movie. Yelana and Natasha were easily my favorite part. I do think Iron Maiden and Red Guardian could've been fleshed out a bit more, but they weren't unlikable or anything. I was personally okay with Taskmaster, but I do understand why some people felt dissapointed. The only thing that I wish was fleshed out more was the brainwashing. But overall, this movie was definately a lot of fun for me!
Yeah, Taskmaster personally didn’t drag down the movie for me, but they did the bare minimum with him, or “her” in this case. Overall I enjoyed the movie, so I would give it a 7.5 out of ten
I know alot of people didnt like what they did with taskmaster, and I understand where people are coming from. But, it made sense in terms of the plot of the movie itself regardless. Overall, the movie was pretty good imo.
I just think it wasn’t that hard to make it Tony Masters and also have him fit into the story just as good maybe even the daughter could be the new leader and Drakov is dead and Tony agrees to work with them to stop Natasha
Currently John walker and yelena are in Val's team if she wants dark avengers the next would be Lady Loki or sylvie If thunderbolts the next will be RED Hulk AKA commander Ross the old government guy chasing nat at the beginning scene So she can go for any of them The young avengers are in the horizon we already have wiccan speed Patriot Cassi lang Kate bishop and kid Loki now too
@@Shahzad-ss1jq honestly they already got rid of 50% OG Avengers. We now only have Professor Hulk, Hawkeye and Thor. Thor is gone with Guardians so it’s down to 2 for now. Hawkeye is a target and God knows what’s gonna happen to him; maybe he’ll pass down the torch to his daughter or pass away from Yelena?
Obviously, they wanted to fool people who were watching the movie into thinking Taskmaster was a dude, but I like to think the in-universe explanation for it is that Dreykov always wanted a son instead of a daughter and that's partially why he designed the suit to look like a man.
Yeah he was solid. I wish they would’ve showed more of natashas background coming up in the red room before they 21 year jump to flesh out his character a bit more but I did enjoy him when he was on the screen.
@vel in the comics and shows (or any other adaptation of him) but not in the mcu. And I honestly don’t care, taskmaster is still one of the most badass characters in Marvel, so I don’t care, I don’t really see why people would care so much, as long as it’s a good performance, I don’t care.
@@thecreatorofdestruction1852 But it wasn't a good performance though was it?... Literally turned one of the most badass villains of Marvel with one of the best personalities (ominous aura kind of) to a hollow throwaway tinman with stark tech
@@RedHood_Sam can you explain how it wasn’t a good performance? One, it’s not a throwaway because she’s still alive, and two, even if taskmaster is no longer a bad guy (at least from what we can tell) she is still pretty badass. But you can explain why you don’t like the performance, everyone is entitled to their opinion
@@thecreatorofdestruction1852 Yeah Yeah...I completely understand if you liked it but for me that character lacked any significant emotional connect...just a voiceless shell doing taskmaster like things (that too in a very mediocre fashion...I mean taskmaster even gave the avengers a run for their money)...I guess you do have a point there as Marvel kept her alive but then will she ever be a villain? I just don't see that happening...and for all we know, taskmaster just got wasted in a weirdly paced movie that came out a little too late
As a russian person I can also confirm that another super russian thing was saying “it’s ok we’re gonna make it to St Petersburg” and then they fall halfway
@@malslslb5394 the told story about dad’s pissing onto hands in order to warm them is great Russian thing said by a Russian man as well. I’m Kazakh person but live with my Russian neighbors😂
@@malslslb5394 I also think that's a very "dad" thing to say in general. I say this as someone who was a tenth of a mile away from pushing my car in the Arizona desert cause the next gas station ahead was 5 cents a gallon cheaper... cause my dad made me.
@@kimm6589 True man... they JOKE around in every freakin scene, taking out the seriousness and excitement of the movie. They think its cool, but it absolutely NOT.... its just annoying!
@@callmeDJANGO8 whats the point of watching a reaction if its just 2 guys sitting quietly the whole time? Would you rather they be so quiet to the point where only their breathing is noticeable?
@@chileee5664 Me personally, I like seeing the reaction but now I can see why they thought it was just ok while people who saw it in the theater said it was great. I’m noticing a clear pattern between the enjoyment of the movie between people who saw it on the big screen and those who saw it like this. Having to think of a joke every 30 seconds and having to comment does take you out off it. When they did their non spoiler review there should have been a disclaimer that they saw it for the first time doing a reaction for fans.
Remember waaaay back in the first Avengers movie Loki mentioned "Dreykov's daughter" when talking about her red ledger? Nice to finally find out what actually happened.
the song choice was perfection. it’s been one of my favorite songs since it came out, but this cover version playing over the visuals was just so… creepy and haunting. it gave me chills in a very good way 😃
I wonder if your opinion would change if you sat in a theatre. Because at no point did I check my watch, in a dark room with no talking. There was always a cool fight scene, interesting dialogue, or a reference/joke added in. Taskmaster was underutilized absolutely, but the twist doesn't change the great things about that character, due to the skillset being the enticing element. Also, she's not dead, thus can be applied more prominently in the future, or someone else takes the mantel, making her just the first from that protocol. Florence Pugh and David Harbour were fantastic in their roles, and have shown that when they inevitably turn up again, I'll be happy to see them. Very comfortable 8/10 Marvel movie for me.
Totally agree, the film was great. Some over embellished action bits that took me slightly out of it but the character work and overall polish of everything made up for it. Idk how much this movie cost to make but it felt, really expensive, which is a good thing. Also Yelena is tough and funny as hell, definitely excited to see her succeed Nat as BW 👏
Three things about this movie: One: the opening credits are insanely good and dark and just well done. Two: everything about and centering on family dynamic was just fantastic. Three: like most villains in mcu it was a bit lackluster, and way more bond than mcu. But it worked fairly well for the vehicle for Natasha.
I think that was kind of the point. This was a spy thriller like Captain America and the Winter Soldier, we haven't seen a film like that since then so it probably seems a bit jarring. But I personally really enjoy spy thrillers so I may be biased.
@@officialtavon2908 I hope but I don’t know because if you notice her name was Antonia, the female version of Tony like how The flagsmasher went from Karl to Karli. Also when I say I hope I don’t hate the twist, I like that they tied it to Natasha I just want Tony Masters now because I don’t think she wants to continue being Taskmaster and I don’t think she has Taskmaster’s chilling personality.
As someone who knows nothing of the Marvel Universe outside the theatrical releases, I think this is another 10. Not knowing anything about Taskmaster going into this made the character very enjoyable. Another example of ignorance is bliss.
I am not a comic reader, so for me what I saw on the movies of marvel of DC is what it is, so I like the movie because I didnt know anything about the comics and in this case Taskmaster,
Natasha is watching a Bond film on her laptop, and 20 minutes later she gets attacked by a former Bond girl in Taskmaster (Olga Kurylenko from Quantum of Solace). Just wanted to point that out....
I didn’t mind the taskmaster thing at all. They never actually called her TaskMaster. They called it the taskmaster program. Remember how annoyed people were about the Mandarin. And now we gettin Shang-Chi🤷🏾♂️ They could easily have someone hold the mantle later by maybe remaking the program.
That end credit scene is a step to dark avengers because we got *U.S agent* and now *yelena* 🙈 and that big muscle guy that called Alexis a liar is actually a big Russian bear and he works with red guardian and a Russian Ironman named crimson dynamo so kinda hinting at the Russian avengers
Neither U.S. Agent, Yelena or Abomination are part of the Dark Avengers guys. The Thunderbolts if anything. And the Russian Avengers are the Winter Guard
There not doing Dark avengers you need Norman osborn for that. It's going to be thunderbolts. People need to know the diffrence between Thunderbolts and dark avengers. not to be rude tho. This movie only sets up the hawkeye series it didn't set up dark avengers and thunderbolts.
David Harbour was so funny. I loved the arm wrestling scene and the scenes where he’s just talking about himself (which were pretty much all of them lol). Rachel Weisz could’ve done with some more screen time in my personal opinion (although that could be my inner teenage boy talking having watched her in The Mummy films).
I loved that all the actors had chemistry and played off of each other very well. Harbour is very charismatic, I wish he wasn't such a comic relief because he has gravitas and a great dramatic actor too.
I love her as an actrices, in this case when you saw her talking to Natasha, is completly diferent from her in THe Mommy (in the Mommy you love her) here not sow much
Maybe it's because I heard a lot of bad reviews and my expectations of the movie were really low, I really loved this movie. It was really good. People had problems with the task master character but being a non comic book reader, it didn't bother me at all.
I think I figured it out: I've been so used to the Disney+ shows this past year where they give the characters in them more time to develop and the story more time to progress, that this did feel off at times with the pacing and story telling. Like we've become so used to the 6 hour "movies" on Disney+ that this felt a little off.
Yessss! We have become so accustomed to 6 hour storytelling method with the Disney plus shows that we have forgotten that the movies only have 2 hours to tell a single story. If the pacing felt kinda odd in this movie then it’s probably gonna feel weird when rewatching past marvel films as well.
It clearly wasn't just a Natasha story, it is an introduction to characters like Yelena, Taskmaster and potentially other ones that will appear in future projects. I was not expecting to love this movie this much from beginning to end.
I overall really liked the movie, but it feels like it's missing something. I don't think this was a good closure for Natasha Romanoff in the MCU. It doesn't focus on her character as much as it should have and it's her solo movie. Of course not to mention that it plays tricks on your mind knowing that she's gone in the current timeline. (I also have zero problem with Taskmaster's story arc in this. I genuinly want more Taskmaster in the MCU after this. Maybe they can re-introduce it in a later film.)
Since in this case, Taskmaster's power is mostly a technological solution, _anybody_ can wear the suit and have the circuitry installed. No reason there cant be a new Taskmaster down the road.
I fell the same way. It does not focus on storytelling as well as Winter Soldier did for example. That film is still the best Nat film. Character moments are essential for action films, otherwise they fall flat. So they gotta let the characters live and breathe, and also, their interactions must feel genuine and realistic. The dinner scene does that to an extent but the film does not let the audience to connect to the family strongly enough to make the audience care what becomes of them as a family. They are very likeable and interesting characters, but their familial bond are not that vital.
Yelenas subtle facial expressions before she even starts talking at the dinner table spoke volumes. The moment I saw the first twitch tears were welling in my eyes. For a super assasin she feels so relatable in this moment and it is so well done. Round of applause Florence
The most interesting story was everything that the opening montages skimmed over. Imagine a story that focused solely on Natasha and yelena being trained to be widows mixed with present day 1v1 to break Yelenas mind control. Cut out everyone else except maybe taskmaster as the final villain they fight, maybe not needed either though.
Well I'm not ashamed to say I really enjoyed it. Just daft and fun. (plus Florence Pugh!😊) I hope she pops up in the Hawkeye series at the back end of this year. The post credits were good too. Yup. I enjoyed it.
You can’t convince me this isn’t a Fast & the Furious movie. Crazy action, main character is indestructible, and FAMILY. That being said I had a lot of fun watching it
I was heartbroken when they were acting like everything about their family had no real meaning. After seeing the table scene... Naaa, they are a family!😍
The criticism of this movie is just a sign of the times. The complaints use to be women are too emotional, they can’t carry a action movie. I agree that task master shouldn’t have been the daughter though. They didn’t want Natasha to be evil but they should have let her live with her past actions that defined her.
She may have expelled Antonia’s lack of autonomy but that doesn’t erase the years of trauma that was inflicted on her by her father all thanks to Natasha’s past “the ends justify the means” mentality. It’s especially ironic since those means failed to deliver the ends that she wanted and instead gave leeway for him to do worse. This is something that Natasha would have to live with for as long as Antonia is alive. A living reminder of how she didn’t just fail a mission, she actively took part in ruining the life of someone innocent. She’s not absolved of her crimes, but she is allowed to do what she can to make amends for them.
It won't be the same vibe, I do hope she becomes a more significant character but I doubt she'll develop a personality anywhere near the one we're used to seeing from Taskmaster.
Antonia still being tied to Dreykovs cruel project by keeping the Taskmaster moniker after this movie would be sadistic. She should just go into therapy/rehab and heal her soul for now. Also, without the suit she wonˋt be able to instantly learn her opponent’s techniques.
Olga Kurylenko who plays the Taskmaster of course was in the spy genre James Bond: Quantum of Solace and seeing her playing a different kind of assassin was somewhat okay but it just felt bland in the end. Even David Harbour who plays Alexei Shostakov appeared in Quantum of Solace playing Noah Bean.
Both mid-credit and post credit scenes were great. One connecting to Avengers: Infinity War while the other connecting to the next Disney Plus series Hawkeye. Yelena Belova will be showing up in that series looking for answers from Clint Barton. Valentina Allegra de Fontaine is slowly starting to become the Nick Fury where she is trying to setup a mirror version of the Dark Avengers. I feel they are setting Thunderbolts, Young Avengers when Valentina showed up at the grave of Natasha Romanoff.
When I saw it in IMAX it's they had both pre-credit and post credit scenes with one connecting to Avengers Infinity War and the other at Nat's grave and setting up Yelena Belova to show up in Hawkeye series for Disney Plus.
For Everyone who's complaining about taskmaster needs to pay attention cuz if you listened to the dialogue you would've heard them say that taskmaster is a form of soldier they use not just a specific one villain so we could see another down the line yall need to pay attention🙄🙄🙄
It’s kinda like the Mandarin, sure we’ll get a cool one later, but for a first pass, it’s kinda disappointing. Still wish there was some in universe explanation to why she had to be in a man shaped suit though. That being said, fight scenes with her are still cool plus in theme with how the character works and there’s emotional payoff for Nat so it’s not entirely bad, just some aspects should’ve been smoothed out.
I think a weakness with how they write Natasha is that they want to portray her as technically cold and standoffish, as in, she's never seen anyone in her life as family and barely considers anyone as friends until JUST now (To be fair, her character arc in Winter Soldier, two years earlier, was that it just occured to her that Steve was her friend) but the problem is that they also have to write her has hella charming, gracious, and congenial. Which is the exact opposite of cold and standoffish. Natasha telling Yelena they weren't sisters and this three years were real may be the first time in the entire MCU story that she's blatantly said something to hurt someone's feelings. (The person she's hurt in 10 years of movies has been Tony, jabbing him in the neck once to technically save his life and double crossing him in Civil War technically because she believed Steve's story of a bigger threat. Neither of those things are about Tony personally, though, and are professional decisions she's made that inadvertently hurt Tony's feelings). When I think of other heroic characters whose character arcs have been "Wait... I have friends? People who care about me?" I think of Spock from Star Trek, Hank Anderson from Detroit Become Human, Haruhi from Ouran High School Host Club, and Harry, Ron and Hermione's little arc together in the first book. These are characters who are VERY capable of hurting their friends feelings with cold or dismissive behavior or language. Because they didn't realize the people sticking with them through thick and thin were their friends. Hell, that's the character arc for Falcon/Bucky. So, to sum this up, it's always been a bit difficult to get the full benefit of Natasha's "I have friends?!" story arc when she's matchmaking Steve, flirting with Bruce, co-signing on Tony's "language" jokes, and redesigning Clint's house. I've enjoyed her arc, and it's VERY bittersweet to watch her die happily because she was dying for family and that meant the universe to her. But in hindsight, since she's going to DIE for family, I wish her characterizations in Avengers and Age of Ultron was more like how she was in Iron Man 2, where she was clearly looking past Tony when she spoke to him, thinking of her next mission, and her sweet, congenial smile was clearly a mask she wore for the sake of others. So that when it finally clicked to her in Winter Soldier that she laughed at Tony's jokes and looked for a cute girl for Steve, it was because she liked them--as, like, actual humans--and it felt more like a triumphant moment in her character.
When it came to reveal of the Taskmaster, I wasn’t really shocked by the reveal, it was quite anticlimactic. Dreykov was a little weak in depth and I think maybe this would’ve worked better with more buildup. Could’ve made this a 6-8 episode Disney Plus show. In the cast credit rollout when the film started I knew Taskmaster was going to be Olga Kurylenko and she is going to play Dreykov's daughter.
Funny how the only actor/actress (Olga Kurylenko) actually closer to being Russian in the whole movie, has practically no dialogue. And even funnier how when she puts on the helmet she has a man's body...
You guy's have mis-read Red Guardian. He was never the caring father, it was an act which he stated and then he ended up in prison. It like you guys want things tidy when life is anything but. He reacted in my opinion exactly how he should have react. he was undercover, which he resented.
i'm actually glad that y'all are willing to point out the criticsm on this film... like marvel movies aren't above criticsm, nothing is... but this movie still has some cool stuff, like the end credit scene, and the action (although i wished that the action was more one-take) and yelena was great! however, overrall (6.5/10)
I don’t care what anyone says, I LOVED this movie. Really excited for the future of Yelena, fights were great, and David Harbour’s Red Guardian was hilarious. Definitely one of my top 5 favorite mcu movies. Excited to see it again whenever it comes to Disney plus for free
This might be a weird comparison, but this movie reminded me of the first Hellboy movie. The main character is Nat, and we follow her through the plot and most of a character arc, but the movie feels more about Yelena - much like how Hellboy 1 follows Agent John Meyers, but at the core is about Hellboy, and his character arc.
I’m sure the world knew about the war but no details except that certain heroes returned while others did not. Some with a higher range of connections like Valentine would know about Natasha and Clint to an extent. In one way or another her death IS tied to him. I’m sure the remaining avengers would like to keep certain information to themselves.
Remember Sharon from TFATWS? She might possibly be betraying both bucky and Sam and the shield. She was able to tell Valentina everything about the Avengers team and join her at the end.
I really liked the chemistry between the family. They really felt like sisters, especially when they fought at first, sibling fighting lol. Florence and David Harbour really stole the show. I was waiting for you guys to react to the helicopter fall out of the sky haha.
I'm sure they'll treat Taskmaster like they did Zemo, a villain that was controversial and divisive back in their first go-around, but they'll improve in later entries...
@@jarednavarrete1740 sure, but In the MCU there are only a few universally praised villains. Even before the falcon show he was in the top ten villain lists for most ppl. Doubt taskmaster will end up there
I like how when Natasha and Yelena first start speaking, Yelena asks if Natasha knows what kind of gun makes those holes. Natasha knows they are from arrows because of her time with Clint. To quick Yelena responded negatively. Sounds like she doesn't like arrows. Now she is going to be tracking an archer down... the worlds most skilled archer. I can't wait. Lord have mercy if Yelena replaced Nat in the Nat/Clint relationship.
The backstory maybe. But why not a man? And if they are proud of their gender bending, why show her off as a man? Because, they know what comic fans actually love.
@@apoorvanand9627 what exactly is the problem with changing the characters gender on this one? It had 0 impact on the story and made total sense on this narrative. What do you mean "what comics fans really want"? I know the comics and still felt satisfied with this outcome. Maybe realize this isn't a copy/paste of comics to the screen, it's just using the characters and making their own thing, every character on screen is different from the comics
@@meshuggah5292 i just hate when people dont stick to the source material. Comic fans arent the only ones who watch these films, a lot of people dont know these characters. The impact was not to the story, but to the character. And if youre satisfied with a silent robot instead of a cool merc with personality, then fine.
@@apoorvanand9627 the people who don't know comics won't know the difference. By the end of the movie she got freed from her fathers control, the door is open for her to return with a different personality if they choose to do so
I saw the twist coming as soon as they brought up Dreykov’s daughter in the subway. It was the second time they brought her up and they had already told us Dreykov survived, so why wouldn’t she have as well. For the rest of the movie, I was just hoping I was wrong because I knew most people would hate if they changed it. What I will give the reveal is that it works in context of the scene. It just wasn’t well executed.
I've now laid to rest my dream of seeing Deadpool and Taskmaster being mercenary bros on screen. We'll never get to see Taskmaster riding on the back of Deadpool's scooter shooting at people in live action. You've done me well for so long MCU, but you broke my heart on this one.
Madame Masque would have been a much better choice for this story than using the Taskmaster character. I think it would have been better received on that aspect
Really because she was just an emotionless mind controlled bad guy who didn’t actually have skills but just used technology which is not what taskmaster is supposed to be
@@Roberto-to1li Did you even notice that she paralleled exactly Winter Solider? An emotionless mind controlled bad guy who was tied to a deep regret from the main protagonists life, and a chance to redeem that regret. What they do with her from now on, that's free to explore, since she's still alive and no longer mind controlled...just like Bucky.
@@Roberto-to1li For this movie she was (and also a nod to Jaws from Moonraker). It's not the character she may ultimately be, just what she was in this to serve this movie's narrative...you know kind of like how Bucky evolved.
@@DikaWolf That doesn't change the fact that they turned the Taskmaster character into a hollow shell, who only resembles its source Material in the Name. If they wanted to do that, fine. But apparently Marvel rather genderbends existing characters and makes them worse than come up with some original Character with actual depth to it. This is not Taskmaster. This is a female Bucky in a bad Taskmaster Cosplay.
I thought it was a dope movie fight scenes were TOP TIER but the only thing I hated was the taskmaster thing but it wasn’t that bad lmao but definitely not hyped for Hawkeye 😭💀
I thought this movie was really good, but at around the point where they reach the prison it went from a serious spy movie to a regular marvel superhero comedy which brings the movie down for me
Here’s the thing: I get why some comic fans don’t like this version of Taskmaster. But the way Taskmaster is written in the comics would not have worked for the films. Too many people who don’t read the comics would just compared him to Deadpool. And the majority of MCU fans have NOT read the comics. I think they did a great job incorporating the character while also serving the story. I also don’t think we can expect a single film to flesh out three four major characters. It’s why the other Avengers need 1-2 solo films in order to do so. Marvel dropped the ball on that with BW. Overall I enjoyed the film quite a bit. I don’t quite get what people were expecting who didn’t like it. I thought it was solid with great action. And I enjoyed Florence Pugh quite a bit.
They can‘t manage to fit a guy in the movie who loves to fight people, learn from them every move and also get paid to kill them after that??? That would have totally worked
The curse of the underwhelming MCU villains returns. Like not only do they pull another Mandarin moment with Taskmaster but then they do that thing again where the main antagonist is just...some guy.
I didn't really get the vibe from Red Guardian being a caring father in the beginning, he seemed to have been bored and wanting to return to his life as the Red Guardian. So his change from the time skip made sense to me. However, I still wish they'd develop him more. David Harbour can clearly act more than as just a comic relief.
We didn’t need to see Natasha break down after finding out the Red Room was still operating. She had reckoned with her own trauma by that place, she overcome it. The reason she didn’t break down is precisely because she knows how bad this organisation is. She didn’t have time to go back and ruminate on trauma. She lept into action because there was no time to waste. Rather than break down over trauma she already reckoned with, she chose to move forward and help all the Widows. Her first thought wasnt “Oh wow let me cry.” It was to help and end it at all cost. It’s why she sacrificed herself in Endgame. She is a true selfless hero.
I wouldn’t mind Task Masker becoming a mercenary and maybe appear in Captain America 4? She could be hired by Sharon and it would make for some pretty cool action scenes. Plus, we could get Red Guardian in on it working with a Captain America?!
When Alexie was trying to put on his suit that instantly brought me back to The Incredibles where Mr. Incredible was trying to put on his old suit and it didn’t fit like it used to
I'm just gonna predict that Antonia Dreykov will return in some form as Taskmaster down the line, 'cause you don't cast Olga Kurylenko for a one and done. I feel though she is no longer under her father's control, she might not be able to shake off her ability to mimic her opponents' fighting style, so I'm sure we'll see her again in another MCU property as a merc-for-hire, like Taskmaster in the comics...
Yeah I think she could turn to mercenary work because it's all she knows how to do and it's all she's been told to only ever be good at by her own father. She may be free from his control, but she's not free from his influence.
They could have shown Natasha interacting with Dreykov's daughter before she blew her up. And how Dreykov mistreated his daughter because he wanted to have a boy instead. So even though Natasha knew how miserable the Daughter's life was, she still killed her. *But unfortunately it's a Disney movie*
Jeez. They show one of their Avenger "heros" giving the go-ahead to BLOW UP A LITTLE GIRL. What the heck did you want them to do to be "un-Disney"? Have her torture her to death?
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Awesome reaction guys! Btw that girl at the beginninf with blue hair, its Milla Jovovich's daughter.
It's the chip that's embedded in the back of Dreykov's daughter's head where she has memorized the fighting style of certain Avengers makes her lethal. She was very much a terminator.
Even though Taskmaster does have a personality in the comics, I like that she was a T-1000-style assassin who eventually got her humanity back in the end. And I'm sure Marvel will reuse her again and make her more like the Taskmaster in the comics while still using Antonia Dreykov....
I liked it
One of the other things that bothered me was Dreykov is protected by pheromone cologne. That was just awkward. Melina Vostakoff a scientist couldn't apply some sort of anesthetic to the olfactory nerve? I really thought she was smart?.
Florence Pugh's performance during that dinner scene was outstanding.
the way she says "You are my mother," is truly heartbreaking...
You can see it building up when Melina starts talking about her science, her face in the background of the shot speaks volumes
She's such a great actor, I'm excited to see how far her career goes.
Agreed
Facts
Marvel was clever with this one. Instead of doing the Natasha x Barton Budapest story they used this opportunity to instead setup Yelena for the next phase while also giving Natasha the send off we wanted. I really enjoyed it! Especially the visuals!
I agree! Great set up
Sad thing is that I would have rather seen that then the movie we actually got.
I'm actually really glad we didn't see any of the Budapest story
@Gentleman Murk more like character overhaul in general. The movie would have been good if it had a compelling villain
Too bad they released this at the wrong time. They should've delayed CM (it kinda sucked) and made this way before endgame. Captain Marvel should've been introduced in phase 4 while also teasing a new villain.
I don't think people are giving Ray Winstone enough credit. Even though he didn't have a ton of screentime, I thoroughly hated him. He brought so much sliminess to his character and is probably one of the most despicable people in the MCU. Wish Taskmaster was the one to kill him tho.
yea he was in the movie for a total of 7 min maybe lol not including photo shops in the beginning
He reminds me of Blofeld from OHMSS when he has hipnotized female angels of death to release a biowepon
It would have been better if I didn’t hear his actual English accent coming through all the time lol I do love him tho
I think it'll be better if he gets more screentime. I mean Ray Winstone is a spectacular actor. He can play any role especially antagonist like walking in a park
harvey weinstein
That opening credits sequence sent chills down my spine, one of the best new things the MCU has done!
Huh? It's the same as it always was lmao
@@pnut3844able the Marvel logo thing was, but they've never done main credits with actors and producers at the beginning of the movie before. The montage of her training with that song is what I was referring to
yes!!! it was so good
"I hope no one is down there"
"Sokovia is just down there. "
I literally did a spit take. That was gold.
The way Yelena reacted at that dinner table, damn that actress seriously killed it. Everything, even her body language was on point for someone who was in her position. She felt extremely betrayed by Melina since she was behind the mind control project so you see her leaning away from her to distance herself from her and the way she appears to not be in complete control of her breathing, it's all stuff that really happens when you're in distress. Top notch man...
and that exhale when you can't speak and just knot in your gut, that was great! Florence killed it.
@@abhinavyadav13 yep, that's what I was referring to about her seeming like she can't control her breathing. She was great in Little Women too.
I literally felt no emotion while watching her performance. It was dry.
@@apprentice_jedi Cool, good for you man.
@@TalkingHands308 Just saying how I feel, much like you.
"Can you wipe that much red? Dreykov's daughter?" They set the seeds for this story so long ago.
This line popped into my head during the movie, I really do appreciate the callback from Marvel.
And who was it that said it, It was Loki
Interesting how him and Nat have been around for so long and now finally get their moments to shine
I love them both🥺🥺
I loved that Alexei said it like its such a good thing " you are so good. Your ledger must be gushing red"
I just wish this wasn't 9 years after the seeds tho. This could've come out at least a lil earlier. I mean it could've gotten us attached to Natasha before she died.
@@christoph6992 If Kevin Feige had been in charge from the get go, it would have come out earlier. But Ike Perlmutter, kept being a dumbass.
The opening credit montage is genuinely one of my favourite marvel things ever
Dude Florence Pugh IS THE PERFECT ACTRESS. Prove me wrong
Im so glad people are finally catching on!!
fr
I can't
Her acting in literally every other movie sucks.
@@destructo6t942 no it doesn’t😐
Overall, I had a pretty great time with this movie. Yelana and Natasha were easily my favorite part. I do think Iron Maiden and Red Guardian could've been fleshed out a bit more, but they weren't unlikable or anything. I was personally okay with Taskmaster, but I do understand why some people felt dissapointed. The only thing that I wish was fleshed out more was the brainwashing. But overall, this movie was definately a lot of fun for me!
At this point I lowkey want EVERY mcu film to be a Disney+ series because they can flesh out the characters so much more.
Yeah, Taskmaster personally didn’t drag down the movie for me, but they did the bare minimum with him, or “her” in this case. Overall I enjoyed the movie, so I would give it a 7.5 out of ten
@Spider - Man Do u really just go around youtube telling people to shut up. 😂. Pathetic.
I know alot of people didnt like what they did with taskmaster, and I understand where people are coming from. But, it made sense in terms of the plot of the movie itself regardless. Overall, the movie was pretty good imo.
Another L for men. More coming...
I just think it wasn’t that hard to make it Tony Masters and also have him fit into the story just as good maybe even the daughter could be the new leader and Drakov is dead and Tony agrees to work with them to stop Natasha
Hell nah
And they called the Taskmaster a protocol, so you can have Tony Masters appearing as The Taskmaster using the same protocol and equipments
Annoyed me that taskmaster is like 7 feet and buff, only to look like a girl in her early twenties
In stranger things: hates a russian named Alexie
In the MCU: becomes a russian named Alexie
And in tv series hate a man name John Walker
Nice
My thoughts too 😂
Currently
John walker and yelena are in Val's team if she wants dark avengers the next would be Lady Loki or sylvie
If thunderbolts the next will be RED Hulk AKA commander Ross the old government guy chasing nat at the beginning scene
So she can go for any of them
The young avengers are in the horizon we already have wiccan speed Patriot Cassi lang Kate bishop and kid Loki now too
@@Shahzad-ss1jq honestly they already got rid of 50% OG Avengers. We now only have Professor Hulk, Hawkeye and Thor.
Thor is gone with Guardians so it’s down to 2 for now. Hawkeye is a target and God knows what’s gonna happen to him; maybe he’ll pass down the torch to his daughter or pass away from Yelena?
Obviously, they wanted to fool people who were watching the movie into thinking Taskmaster was a dude, but I like to think the in-universe explanation for it is that Dreykov always wanted a son instead of a daughter and that's partially why he designed the suit to look like a man.
Yeah he was solid. I wish they would’ve showed more of natashas background coming up in the red room before they 21 year jump to flesh out his character a bit more but I did enjoy him when he was on the screen.
@vel in the comics and shows (or any other adaptation of him) but not in the mcu. And I honestly don’t care, taskmaster is still one of the most badass characters in Marvel, so I don’t care, I don’t really see why people would care so much, as long as it’s a good performance, I don’t care.
@@thecreatorofdestruction1852 But it wasn't a good performance though was it?... Literally turned one of the most badass villains of Marvel with one of the best personalities (ominous aura kind of) to a hollow throwaway tinman with stark tech
@@RedHood_Sam can you explain how it wasn’t a good performance? One, it’s not a throwaway because she’s still alive, and two, even if taskmaster is no longer a bad guy (at least from what we can tell) she is still pretty badass. But you can explain why you don’t like the performance, everyone is entitled to their opinion
@@thecreatorofdestruction1852 Yeah Yeah...I completely understand if you liked it but for me that character lacked any significant emotional connect...just a voiceless shell doing taskmaster like things (that too in a very mediocre fashion...I mean taskmaster even gave the avengers a run for their money)...I guess you do have a point there as Marvel kept her alive but then will she ever be a villain? I just don't see that happening...and for all we know, taskmaster just got wasted in a weirdly paced movie that came out a little too late
The avalanche scene "This would be a cool way to die" is one of the most russian things I've ever heard.😆😆
As a russian person I can also confirm that another super russian thing was saying “it’s ok we’re gonna make it to St Petersburg” and then they fall halfway
@@malslslb5394 Yes
@@malslslb5394 the told story about dad’s pissing onto hands in order to warm them is great Russian thing said by a Russian man as well. I’m Kazakh person but live with my Russian neighbors😂
Klingons and Russians. go together like vodka and Pelmeni
@@malslslb5394 I also think that's a very "dad" thing to say in general. I say this as someone who was a tenth of a mile away from pushing my car in the Arizona desert cause the next gas station ahead was 5 cents a gallon cheaper... cause my dad made me.
The coolest thing about having these movies on Disney+ is that we get to see reactions like this.
Except they are ruining the movie for themselves by talking through it the whole time and taking themselves out of it.
@@kimm6589 they would do the same for the suicide squad
@@kimm6589 True man... they JOKE around in every freakin scene, taking out the seriousness and excitement of the movie. They think its cool, but it absolutely NOT.... its just annoying!
@@callmeDJANGO8 whats the point of watching a reaction if its just 2 guys sitting quietly the whole time? Would you rather they be so quiet to the point where only their breathing is noticeable?
@@chileee5664 Me personally, I like seeing the reaction but now I can see why they thought it was just ok while people who saw it in the theater said it was great. I’m noticing a clear pattern between the enjoyment of the movie between people who saw it on the big screen and those who saw it like this. Having to think of a joke every 30 seconds and having to comment does take you out off it. When they did their non spoiler review there should have been a disclaimer that they saw it for the first time doing a reaction for fans.
Remember waaaay back in the first Avengers movie Loki mentioned "Dreykov's daughter" when talking about her red ledger? Nice to finally find out what actually happened.
Yeah, glad someone else noticed. Not a lot of people bring that up from what I've seen.
An above average MCU movie, could have been way better and impactful if this was released before Infinity War.
What do you consider to be the average marvel movie?
@@brennanbarber7469 Captain Marvel, Iron Man 2 and 3.
@@mun123keet iron man 3 is like one of the best mcu movies what do you mean???
@@KasaiKouhai There's this word that's called "opinion". You should go learn what it means
@@mun123keet I know what it means, was trying to get a discussion going, but I guess you don’t know what that means either.
Ok but that opening scene with smells like teen spirit playing in the background was honestly so powerful 😤✋🏽
Damn straight
the song choice was perfection. it’s been one of my favorite songs since it came out, but this cover version playing over the visuals was just so… creepy and haunting. it gave me chills in a very good way 😃
"What marvel does best.....gets you excited about the future" LoL
No they don’t
@@Neyodip ?????????????????…………………..??????????????………..
@@Neyodip yes they are. Maybe only you
@Spider - Man insulting me over your shit marvel
I much prefer this type of pacing... I'm totally ok with action, short story, action, short story, etc. Fucking loved it!
Tbh same xD if it’s drawn out too much I get bored 😅🥲
I did too!!
I wonder if your opinion would change if you sat in a theatre. Because at no point did I check my watch, in a dark room with no talking. There was always a cool fight scene, interesting dialogue, or a reference/joke added in. Taskmaster was underutilized absolutely, but the twist doesn't change the great things about that character, due to the skillset being the enticing element. Also, she's not dead, thus can be applied more prominently in the future, or someone else takes the mantel, making her just the first from that protocol.
Florence Pugh and David Harbour were fantastic in their roles, and have shown that when they inevitably turn up again, I'll be happy to see them. Very comfortable 8/10 Marvel movie for me.
If this is an 8/10 what do you consider the mcu movies that are actually good? 12/10?
@@dogsbreakfast4952 Alright, you thought differently...
Thats okay.
Totally agree, the film was great. Some over embellished action bits that took me slightly out of it but the character work and overall polish of everything made up for it. Idk how much this movie cost to make but it felt, really expensive, which is a good thing. Also Yelena is tough and funny as hell, definitely excited to see her succeed Nat as BW 👏
Yeah, it was incredible in the theatre 😊
Three things about this movie:
One: the opening credits are insanely good and dark and just well done.
Two: everything about and centering on family dynamic was just fantastic.
Three: like most villains in mcu it was a bit lackluster, and way more bond than mcu. But it worked fairly well for the vehicle for Natasha.
I think that was kind of the point. This was a spy thriller like Captain America and the Winter Soldier, we haven't seen a film like that since then so it probably seems a bit jarring. But I personally really enjoy spy thrillers so I may be biased.
In my opinion, I think that opening sequence is the best I've seen out of the entire MCU. Very hauntingly beautiful and sad.
I really enjoyed this movie a lot honestly.
Same, but I understand some of their gripes with the movie.
@@m15anthr0pe same but we just need to wait bc i’m pretty sure we’ll actually get tony masters
Yeah, the way reviewers were talking I thought it was bad on the level of WW1984, but it's better than it by a landslide
@@officialtavon2908 I hope but I don’t know because if you notice her name was Antonia, the female version of Tony like how The flagsmasher went from Karl to Karli. Also when I say I hope I don’t hate the twist, I like that they tied it to Natasha I just want Tony Masters now because I don’t think she wants to continue being Taskmaster and I don’t think she has Taskmaster’s chilling personality.
@@heze2819 I think the "Taskmaster protocol" is based on Tony Masters, and we'll see him in the future
If losing ur sense of smell was all that was needed...then covid would have been a threat to drekov 😂😂
All the more reason for the flying fortress lol keep away from the pandemic!
Obviously had to cut out a lot of the reaction for fair use policies. So please keep that in mind.
As someone who knows nothing of the Marvel Universe outside the theatrical releases, I think this is another 10. Not knowing anything about Taskmaster going into this made the character very enjoyable. Another example of ignorance is bliss.
Exactly! People keep expecting everything to be identical to the comics. I actually thought taskmaster was a robot for most of the movie lol
I am not a comic reader, so for me what I saw on the movies of marvel of DC is what it is, so I like the movie because I didnt know anything about the comics and in this case Taskmaster,
Same, one of my fav MCU movies.
I love how Nat explains how you pronounce Budapest and the next second they get it wrong again
As a person born and raised in Budapest
I’m sad😭
Natasha is watching a Bond film on her laptop, and 20 minutes later she gets attacked by a former Bond girl in Taskmaster (Olga Kurylenko from Quantum of Solace).
Just wanted to point that out....
AHHH, that's where I recognized her from.
Wow, just wow!!
And Moonraker's plot is literally having a base in the sky and involves diving down, like this film's plot
I loved her in The November Man (with Pierce Brosnan and Ray Winstone)
David Harbour was also in Quantum of Solace, and Rachel Wiesz is married to Bond himself Daniel Craig. Many connections.
This was actually pretty insane. Action packed to the edge
I didn’t mind the taskmaster thing at all. They never actually called her TaskMaster. They called it the taskmaster program. Remember how annoyed people were about the Mandarin. And now we gettin Shang-Chi🤷🏾♂️
They could easily have someone hold the mantle later by maybe remaking the program.
This is probably my favorite first ten minutes in a Marvel movie ever.
That end credit scene is a step to dark avengers because we got *U.S agent* and now *yelena* 🙈 and that big muscle guy that called Alexis a liar is actually a big Russian bear and he works with red guardian and a Russian Ironman named crimson dynamo so kinda hinting at the Russian avengers
Neither U.S. Agent, Yelena or Abomination are part of the Dark Avengers guys. The Thunderbolts if anything. And the Russian Avengers are the Winter Guard
Russian guard* and the bear is named Ursa Major 😅
@@Spudnut_ winter guard*
There not doing Dark avengers you need Norman osborn for that. It's going to be thunderbolts. People need to know the diffrence between Thunderbolts and dark avengers. not to be rude tho. This movie only sets up the hawkeye series it didn't set up dark avengers and thunderbolts.
@@snydersteppenwolf1247 Anything can happen with a multiverse of madness :P
Movie was pretty good! Better than I was expecting it to be, the action was great and very brutal, Yelena was awesome.
David Harbour was so funny. I loved the arm wrestling scene and the scenes where he’s just talking about himself (which were pretty much all of them lol). Rachel Weisz could’ve done with some more screen time in my personal opinion (although that could be my inner teenage boy talking having watched her in The Mummy films).
I'm such a fan of Rachel Weisz too! I wish I can see more of her. She's amazing.
Nice seeing you here
Dude same lol i loved her in the mummy films
I loved that all the actors had chemistry and played off of each other very well. Harbour is very charismatic, I wish he wasn't such a comic relief because he has gravitas and a great dramatic actor too.
I love her as an actrices, in this case when you saw her talking to Natasha, is completly diferent from her in THe Mommy (in the Mommy you love her) here not sow much
Maybe it's because I heard a lot of bad reviews and my expectations of the movie were really low, I really loved this movie. It was really good. People had problems with the task master character but being a non comic book reader, it didn't bother me at all.
@Gentleman Murk what does that have to do with anything? Lmao
@Gentleman Murk considering she a orange alien yes
I think I figured it out: I've been so used to the Disney+ shows this past year where they give the characters in them more time to develop and the story more time to progress, that this did feel off at times with the pacing and story telling. Like we've become so used to the 6 hour "movies" on Disney+ that this felt a little off.
Yessss! We have become so accustomed to 6 hour storytelling method with the Disney plus shows that we have forgotten that the movies only have 2 hours to tell a single story. If the pacing felt kinda odd in this movie then it’s probably gonna feel weird when rewatching past marvel films as well.
It clearly wasn't just a Natasha story, it is an introduction to characters like Yelena, Taskmaster and potentially other ones that will appear in future projects.
I was not expecting to love this movie this much from beginning to end.
I overall really liked the movie, but it feels like it's missing something. I don't think this was a good closure for Natasha Romanoff in the MCU. It doesn't focus on her character as much as it should have and it's her solo movie. Of course not to mention that it plays tricks on your mind knowing that she's gone in the current timeline. (I also have zero problem with Taskmaster's story arc in this. I genuinly want more Taskmaster in the MCU after this. Maybe they can re-introduce it in a later film.)
Since in this case, Taskmaster's power is mostly a technological solution, _anybody_ can wear the suit and have the circuitry installed. No reason there cant be a new Taskmaster down the road.
I fell the same way. It does not focus on storytelling as well as Winter Soldier did for example. That film is still the best Nat film. Character moments are essential for action films, otherwise they fall flat. So they gotta let the characters live and breathe, and also, their interactions must feel genuine and realistic. The dinner scene does that to an extent but the film does not let the audience to connect to the family strongly enough to make the audience care what becomes of them as a family. They are very likeable and interesting characters, but their familial bond are not that vital.
Yelenas subtle facial expressions before she even starts talking at the dinner table spoke volumes. The moment I saw the first twitch tears were welling in my eyes. For a super assasin she feels so relatable in this moment and it is so well done. Round of applause Florence
The most interesting story was everything that the opening montages skimmed over. Imagine a story that focused solely on Natasha and yelena being trained to be widows mixed with present day 1v1 to break Yelenas mind control. Cut out everyone else except maybe taskmaster as the final villain they fight, maybe not needed either though.
Well I'm not ashamed to say I really enjoyed it. Just daft and fun. (plus Florence Pugh!😊) I hope she pops up in the Hawkeye series at the back end of this year. The post credits were good too. Yup. I enjoyed it.
"What can't she Florence Do" got me dead John 🤣🤣
You can’t convince me this isn’t a Fast & the Furious movie. Crazy action, main character is indestructible, and FAMILY. That being said I had a lot of fun watching it
I’m 80% sure they’re bringing in either the dark avengers or the thunderbolts
Thunderbolts
80?
U.S. Agent and Yelena Belova feels more like the Thunderbolts than the Dark Avengers
Suicide squad copy cat
@@Neyodip joker is a copy of the man who laugh's (1859) novel
I was heartbroken when they were acting like everything about their family had no real meaning.
After seeing the table scene... Naaa, they are a family!😍
The criticism of this movie is just a sign of the times. The complaints use to be women are too emotional, they can’t carry a action movie. I agree that task master shouldn’t have been the daughter though. They didn’t want Natasha to be evil but they should have let her live with her past actions that defined her.
She may have expelled Antonia’s lack of autonomy but that doesn’t erase the years of trauma that was inflicted on her by her father all thanks to Natasha’s past “the ends justify the means” mentality. It’s especially ironic since those means failed to deliver the ends that she wanted and instead gave leeway for him to do worse. This is something that Natasha would have to live with for as long as Antonia is alive. A living reminder of how she didn’t just fail a mission, she actively took part in ruining the life of someone innocent. She’s not absolved of her crimes, but she is allowed to do what she can to make amends for them.
Now that Antonia isn’t being controlled by Dreykov, she can develop her own personality and maybe become for like the taskmaster from the comics.
It won't be the same vibe, I do hope she becomes a more significant character but I doubt she'll develop a personality anywhere near the one we're used to seeing from Taskmaster.
Antonia still being tied to Dreykovs cruel project by keeping the Taskmaster moniker after this movie would be sadistic.
She should just go into therapy/rehab and heal her soul for now.
Also, without the suit she wonˋt be able to instantly learn her opponent’s techniques.
@@donmasama yeah I really hope they don’t use her again and get a more accurate Taskmaster/Tony Masters. Ala the new Mandarin in Shang Chi.
Olga Kurylenko who plays the Taskmaster of course was in the spy genre James Bond: Quantum of Solace and seeing her playing a different kind of assassin was somewhat okay but it just felt bland in the end. Even David Harbour who plays Alexei Shostakov appeared in Quantum of Solace playing Noah Bean.
Both mid-credit and post credit scenes were great. One connecting to Avengers: Infinity War while the other connecting to the next Disney Plus series Hawkeye. Yelena Belova will be showing up in that series looking for answers from Clint Barton. Valentina Allegra de Fontaine is slowly starting to become the Nick Fury where she is trying to setup a mirror version of the Dark Avengers. I feel they are setting Thunderbolts, Young Avengers when Valentina showed up at the grave of Natasha Romanoff.
btw it was technically a pre-credits scene like The incredible hulk but yeah totally agree. 2 best scenes in the movie imo
There wasn't a mid credit when I watched it? There was only a post credit when Yelena visits Nat's grave and is assigned to kill Barton.
@@mun123keet that's the only version i saw too?
When I saw it in IMAX it's they had both pre-credit and post credit scenes with one connecting to Avengers Infinity War and the other at Nat's grave and setting up Yelena Belova to show up in Hawkeye series for Disney Plus.
@@mun123keet he is talking about the ending scene where nat goes on a quinjet and the avengers music plays
A fine send-off for Natasha and a great head start for Yelena. EXCELSIOR!
For Everyone who's complaining about taskmaster needs to pay attention cuz if you listened to the dialogue you would've heard them say that taskmaster is a form of soldier they use not just a specific one villain so we could see another down the line yall need to pay attention🙄🙄🙄
It’s kinda like the Mandarin, sure we’ll get a cool one later, but for a first pass, it’s kinda disappointing. Still wish there was some in universe explanation to why she had to be in a man shaped suit though. That being said, fight scenes with her are still cool plus in theme with how the character works and there’s emotional payoff for Nat so it’s not entirely bad, just some aspects should’ve been smoothed out.
I love how half the action scenes just come out of nowhere like BAM in your face haha
I think a weakness with how they write Natasha is that they want to portray her as technically cold and standoffish, as in, she's never seen anyone in her life as family and barely considers anyone as friends until JUST now (To be fair, her character arc in Winter Soldier, two years earlier, was that it just occured to her that Steve was her friend) but the problem is that they also have to write her has hella charming, gracious, and congenial. Which is the exact opposite of cold and standoffish.
Natasha telling Yelena they weren't sisters and this three years were real may be the first time in the entire MCU story that she's blatantly said something to hurt someone's feelings. (The person she's hurt in 10 years of movies has been Tony, jabbing him in the neck once to technically save his life and double crossing him in Civil War technically because she believed Steve's story of a bigger threat. Neither of those things are about Tony personally, though, and are professional decisions she's made that inadvertently hurt Tony's feelings).
When I think of other heroic characters whose character arcs have been "Wait... I have friends? People who care about me?" I think of Spock from Star Trek, Hank Anderson from Detroit Become Human, Haruhi from Ouran High School Host Club, and Harry, Ron and Hermione's little arc together in the first book. These are characters who are VERY capable of hurting their friends feelings with cold or dismissive behavior or language. Because they didn't realize the people sticking with them through thick and thin were their friends. Hell, that's the character arc for Falcon/Bucky.
So, to sum this up, it's always been a bit difficult to get the full benefit of Natasha's "I have friends?!" story arc when she's matchmaking Steve, flirting with Bruce, co-signing on Tony's "language" jokes, and redesigning Clint's house. I've enjoyed her arc, and it's VERY bittersweet to watch her die happily because she was dying for family and that meant the universe to her. But in hindsight, since she's going to DIE for family, I wish her characterizations in Avengers and Age of Ultron was more like how she was in Iron Man 2, where she was clearly looking past Tony when she spoke to him, thinking of her next mission, and her sweet, congenial smile was clearly a mask she wore for the sake of others. So that when it finally clicked to her in Winter Soldier that she laughed at Tony's jokes and looked for a cute girl for Steve, it was because she liked them--as, like, actual humans--and it felt more like a triumphant moment in her character.
The acting in the movie was really good the acting itself was genuinely phenomenal it’s just what’s around it feels a bit hollow
Fun fact:
There was a Swedish widow in this.
The woman that took her own life was Swedish. She said "Understood, I'm pursuing" in Swedish on the roof.
When it came to reveal of the Taskmaster, I wasn’t really shocked by the reveal, it was quite anticlimactic. Dreykov was a little weak in depth and I think maybe this would’ve worked better with more buildup. Could’ve made this a 6-8 episode Disney Plus show. In the cast credit rollout when the film started I knew Taskmaster was going to be Olga Kurylenko and she is going to play Dreykov's daughter.
I feel now that we have had a lot of MCU shows, we are gonna feel like movies are too short and not have enough depth.
I figured out it was her right when showed her as a little girl getting blown up
This film was awesome! It was a lot better than I expected to be honest!
Funny how the only actor/actress (Olga Kurylenko) actually closer to being Russian in the whole movie, has practically no dialogue. And even funnier how when she puts on the helmet she has a man's body...
the first sequence with the smells like teen spirit cover gave me CHILLS
Really like Yelena, she was definitely my favorite part of the movie, I'm glad we'll see more of her
You guy's have mis-read Red Guardian. He was never the caring father, it was an act which he stated and then he ended up in prison. It like you guys want things tidy when life is anything but. He reacted in my opinion exactly how he should have react. he was undercover, which he resented.
I liked it just fine. It has its flaws for sure, but I won’t dread rewatching this movie. It’s a fun time, I loved Yelena a lot.
I wasn't that hyped for this anymore so I started watching in my phone but when the amazing visuals kicked in I jumped straight onto my TV! 😂😂😂
i'm actually glad that y'all are willing to point out the criticsm on this film... like marvel movies aren't above criticsm, nothing is... but this movie still has some cool stuff, like the end credit scene, and the action (although i wished that the action was more one-take) and yelena was great! however, overrall (6.5/10)
I don’t care what anyone says, I LOVED this movie. Really excited for the future of Yelena, fights were great, and David Harbour’s Red Guardian was hilarious. Definitely one of my top 5 favorite mcu movies. Excited to see it again whenever it comes to Disney plus for free
This might be a weird comparison, but this movie reminded me of the first Hellboy movie. The main character is Nat, and we follow her through the plot and most of a character arc, but the movie feels more about Yelena - much like how Hellboy 1 follows Agent John Meyers, but at the core is about Hellboy, and his character arc.
If I were Yelena, I'd be asking Valentina how tf she knows who was responsible for BW's murder? They were out in space. Where did she get her intel?
Red skull is probably really active of Twitter
Yeah, like, I don't think much of what happend during the time heist was made public.
I’m sure the world knew about the war but no details except that certain heroes returned while others did not. Some with a higher range of connections like Valentine would know about Natasha and Clint to an extent. In one way or another her death IS tied to him. I’m sure the remaining avengers would like to keep certain information to themselves.
Remember Sharon from TFATWS? She might possibly be betraying both bucky and Sam and the shield. She was able to tell Valentina everything about the Avengers team and join her at the end.
I really liked the chemistry between the family. They really felt like sisters, especially when they fought at first, sibling fighting lol. Florence and David Harbour really stole the show. I was waiting for you guys to react to the helicopter fall out of the sky haha.
I'm sure they'll treat Taskmaster like they did Zemo, a villain that was controversial and divisive back in their first go-around, but they'll improve in later entries...
Hot take but Zemo never should have been considered controversial tbh
Zemo was NOT this controversial on release. Ppl still liked him in civil war. Taskmaster tho, I haven’t seen anyone outright loving her reveal
@@leonthesleepy But he wasn't universally praised when Civil War released either
@@jarednavarrete1740 sure, but In the MCU there are only a few universally praised villains. Even before the falcon show he was in the top ten villain lists for most ppl. Doubt taskmaster will end up there
Well, I've seen people who like Dreykov's daughter twist, and people who don't like Zemo, different opinions
I love how Yelena can't stand the super hero entrance.
I like how when Natasha and Yelena first start speaking, Yelena asks if Natasha knows what kind of gun makes those holes.
Natasha knows they are from arrows because of her time with Clint. To quick Yelena responded negatively. Sounds like she doesn't like arrows.
Now she is going to be tracking an archer down... the worlds most skilled archer. I can't wait. Lord have mercy if Yelena replaced Nat in the Nat/Clint relationship.
“I hope no ones below the ground”
“Sokovia is just down there” 😂
Johns facial expressions and sound effects are hilarious
Idk to me it seems like hes trying too hard.
The change to Taskmaster made sense in this story, and leaves an open door for future possibilities
The backstory maybe. But why not a man? And if they are proud of their gender bending, why show her off as a man? Because, they know what comic fans actually love.
@@apoorvanand9627 what exactly is the problem with changing the characters gender on this one? It had 0 impact on the story and made total sense on this narrative. What do you mean "what comics fans really want"? I know the comics and still felt satisfied with this outcome. Maybe realize this isn't a copy/paste of comics to the screen, it's just using the characters and making their own thing, every character on screen is different from the comics
@@meshuggah5292 i just hate when people dont stick to the source material. Comic fans arent the only ones who watch these films, a lot of people dont know these characters. The impact was not to the story, but to the character. And if youre satisfied with a silent robot instead of a cool merc with personality, then fine.
@@apoorvanand9627 the people who don't know comics won't know the difference. By the end of the movie she got freed from her fathers control, the door is open for her to return with a different personality if they choose to do so
I saw the twist coming as soon as they brought up Dreykov’s daughter in the subway. It was the second time they brought her up and they had already told us Dreykov survived, so why wouldn’t she have as well. For the rest of the movie, I was just hoping I was wrong because I knew most people would hate if they changed it. What I will give the reveal is that it works in context of the scene. It just wasn’t well executed.
I've now laid to rest my dream of seeing Deadpool and Taskmaster being mercenary bros on screen. We'll never get to see Taskmaster riding on the back of Deadpool's scooter shooting at people in live action. You've done me well for so long MCU, but you broke my heart on this one.
Madame Masque would have been a much better choice for this story than using the Taskmaster character. I think it would have been better received on that aspect
Just for you to know Captain Russia’s full name is actually Aleksey Trevor.
Probably the best done Girl Power! movie in recent memory.
Also... The opening credits were... Way too real.
Despite the lack of fight scenes with her, I really like this taskmaster.
Really because she was just an emotionless mind controlled bad guy who didn’t actually have skills but just used technology which is not what taskmaster is supposed to be
@@Roberto-to1li Did you even notice that she paralleled exactly Winter Solider? An emotionless mind controlled bad guy who was tied to a deep regret from the main protagonists life, and a chance to redeem that regret. What they do with her from now on, that's free to explore, since she's still alive and no longer mind controlled...just like Bucky.
@@DikaWolf I don’t understand your point?? That just makes taskmaster worse since he not supposed to be like winter soldier
@@Roberto-to1li For this movie she was (and also a nod to Jaws from Moonraker). It's not the character she may ultimately be, just what she was in this to serve this movie's narrative...you know kind of like how Bucky evolved.
@@DikaWolf
That doesn't change the fact that they turned the Taskmaster character into a hollow shell, who only resembles its source Material in the Name. If they wanted to do that, fine. But apparently Marvel rather genderbends existing characters and makes them worse than come up with some original Character with actual depth to it.
This is not Taskmaster.
This is a female Bucky in a bad Taskmaster Cosplay.
I thought it was a dope movie fight scenes were TOP TIER but the only thing I hated was the taskmaster thing but it wasn’t that bad lmao but definitely not hyped for Hawkeye 😭💀
Exactly! The movie is not as bad as the assholes that are review bombing are making it seem 😭
I thought this movie was really good, but at around the point where they reach the prison it went from a serious spy movie to a regular marvel superhero comedy which brings the movie down for me
Here’s the thing: I get why some comic fans don’t like this version of Taskmaster. But the way Taskmaster is written in the comics would not have worked for the films. Too many people who don’t read the comics would just compared him to Deadpool. And the majority of MCU fans have NOT read the comics. I think they did a great job incorporating the character while also serving the story.
I also don’t think we can expect a single film to flesh out three four major characters. It’s why the other Avengers need 1-2 solo films in order to do so. Marvel dropped the ball on that with BW.
Overall I enjoyed the film quite a bit. I don’t quite get what people were expecting who didn’t like it. I thought it was solid with great action. And I enjoyed Florence Pugh quite a bit.
Lol no
They can‘t manage to fit a guy in the movie who loves to fight people, learn from them every move and also get paid to kill them after that???
That would have totally worked
The curse of the underwhelming MCU villains returns. Like not only do they pull another Mandarin moment with Taskmaster but then they do that thing again where the main antagonist is just...some guy.
Taskmaster got The Mandarin treatment
Absolutely loved Florence's Pughs performance and Character!!
I didn't really get the vibe from Red Guardian being a caring father in the beginning, he seemed to have been bored and wanting to return to his life as the Red Guardian. So his change from the time skip made sense to me. However, I still wish they'd develop him more. David Harbour can clearly act more than as just a comic relief.
I had my doubts about this movie but it actually wasn’t that bad
We didn’t need to see Natasha break down after finding out the Red Room was still operating. She had reckoned with her own trauma by that place, she overcome it. The reason she didn’t break down is precisely because she knows how bad this organisation is. She didn’t have time to go back and ruminate on trauma. She lept into action because there was no time to waste. Rather than break down over trauma she already reckoned with, she chose to move forward and help all the Widows. Her first thought wasnt “Oh wow let me cry.” It was to help and end it at all cost. It’s why she sacrificed herself in Endgame. She is a true selfless hero.
I wouldn’t mind Task Masker becoming a mercenary and maybe appear in Captain America 4? She could be hired by Sharon and it would make for some pretty cool action scenes. Plus, we could get Red Guardian in on it working with a Captain America?!
When Alexie was trying to put on his suit that instantly brought me back to The Incredibles where Mr. Incredible was trying to put on his old suit and it didn’t fit like it used to
It took a couple lines for me to realize Dreykov was supposed to be Russian not British
Btw I can’t believe that they were trying to convince us that “Dreykov” or “Antonia” are russian names
Yeah Ray Winstone's accent was terrible.
@@malslslb5394 They sounded russian to me, a Canadian, but I imagine to russian people or smarter people they didnt
“I really wanted to love that movie” I felt that
I freaking Hope Hawkeye doesn't die
That guy was my favorite avenger
Well good chance of that, or he will just go back to retirement for the 3rd time, since Kate Bishop (new hawkeye) is also being introduced.
@@ShaddyDaShadow I hope we can have both of them continue to co-exist like the 2 Thors
@rockwell naaahh after endgame he‘s pretty hard to kill
Would be great if Clint becomes a more comic accurate Taskmaster, so we keep both Kate and Clint in a way
"I hope nobody's down below.." "Sokovia's right down there!" *Zemo looks up.* "What's that whistling sound...?"
_I'm dying here..._
I'm just gonna predict that Antonia Dreykov will return in some form as Taskmaster down the line, 'cause you don't cast Olga Kurylenko for a one and done. I feel though she is no longer under her father's control, she might not be able to shake off her ability to mimic her opponents' fighting style, so I'm sure we'll see her again in another MCU property as a merc-for-hire, like Taskmaster in the comics...
This actually makes a lot of sense and would be a great character development idea.
Yeah I think she could turn to mercenary work because it's all she knows how to do and it's all she's been told to only ever be good at by her own father. She may be free from his control, but she's not free from his influence.
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OHHH WHAT A COINCIDENCE.
Just like 10 seconds later I finished the movie you guys posted this. Thanks for targetting me 👍
They could have shown Natasha interacting with Dreykov's daughter before she blew her up. And how Dreykov mistreated his daughter because he wanted to have a boy instead. So even though Natasha knew how miserable the Daughter's life was, she still killed her. *But unfortunately it's a Disney movie*
Jeez. They show one of their Avenger "heros" giving the go-ahead to BLOW UP A LITTLE GIRL.
What the heck did you want them to do to be "un-Disney"? Have her torture her to death?