PERFORMANCE MODS ON THE ROYAL ENFIELD HIMALAYAN - K&N - RED ROOSTER - POWERTRONIC
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2020
- A detailed video on my experience with tuning the bike to get as much juice out of it as possible with mods like the #K&N air filter , #The RED ROOSTER muffler and the #POWERTRONIC piggy back ECU. Acceleration tests confirming the increase in power and a brief run through on the R-Tune software to tweak the maps on the Powertronic .
pls watch these videos to understand the products better
• K&N AIR FILTER FOR A D...
• PERFORMANCE UPGRADES O...
• POWERTRONIC ECU FOR HI...
also the purchase links to the products
www.amazon.in/RB-0510-Filter-...
www.amazon.in/Red-Rooster-Per...
www.amazon.in/PowerTRONIC-Roy... - Авто та транспорт
In India most people tend to think that loud exhausts help them go faster. I honestly had not anticipated such an in-depth video. Thanks Ben for such awesome content! Having burnt my fingers (and destroyed my engine) trying to go faster when I was young, I wish I had this guidance. In fact, in the last 15 years, the thought hadn't crossed my mind, till I saw this. Thanks a lot!
glad to hear that dear friend.
Loud exhausts might not make you faster. But they sure are fun 🤣
This guy deserves waaaaay more subscribers
😁thanks for the kind words pal 🙏
A really detailed, down-to-earth description that I understood. Thanks very much!
glad it helped
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN needed a good pair of front brake pads, the stock pads are not effective, though I cruise between 80 to 90 the front brakes are not so great. Why? Due to the weight of the vehicle or what?
What would you suggest.
Manoj Reddy I use ebc brake pads . Fully sintered . Read about it . Also Himalayan’s weight is not the issue . It’s Rake and Rotor size is . a bigger rotor will instantly translate into better braking . but to start with you can get yourself sintered or semi sintered pads . Also, bikes which are dual purpose built , have a weaker front and sharper rear braking system . This helps extremely well on off-road terrain .
Very detailed information. A clear picture on how intake, combustion and exhaust works.
What's the right way to get decent output in stock engine with right mods explained superb.. I see many biker's doing mods irrelevant to what's the output it's going deliver.. Ben as usual u nailed it...keep rocking...
Santhana Krishnan thanks for the appreciation. I totally agree to the point where many out there just want to BUY . No body wants to validate their purchases even once . BUYING is the middle class fever in trend all over the world . Gone are those beautiful days of trial and errors and testing OUTPUTS . It’s just “all talk and no go” these days .
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN You got the reality right....true...
If possible do a video review on BS6 Himalayan..
I can assure no one can compare the difference better than you. Because you live with it.. just my suggestion, give a try, trust me the response you get.....
The best possible way explained the FI mechanism . Thanks a lot.
Thanks for making the tunning so much simpler to understand.
Glad that it helped 😊
Wow man this is the most in depth content I've seen from an Indian UA-camr! Kudos to you!
Hey Ben
Very I formative video 👍🏻thank you
I just had one question
I own a b6 2022 Himalayan
If I just install a K&N air filter will it make any difference in my bike performance even if I have not installed a free flow exhaust or a powertronicic ecu ???
Thank you for this video.
Very well explained sur. Thank you
I wish you would live in my area.. great video, thanks!
ha ha .. thanks friend.
Hey Ben,
Some questions
I recently got a FuelX pro for my 2020. I am also going in for a DNA performance stock replacement filter soon (Should I do a stage too also?). I will also be going in for an Iridium Spark plug kit (with the red hose and all). Due to the new filter letting in more air, at what setting should I operate the fuelX pro, taking into consideration the presumably improved sparking too. Or, are all these independent events with no need to connect the dots? Your guidance will be very valuable, especially since I want to maintain the optimality of lean/rich balance.
Apart from the sketch noise the video is super informative and awesome
So how was the performenve of himaliyan after power tronic installed on it
What % of increase in power do u get with free flow exhaust/ k&n filter/ powertronic is added....... the reason I ask is cause it’s a good 32 k for all three...... just trying to figure if it’s worth the extra money....... what’s the top speed u r getting and how’s the acceleration ?
Too good Ben nice explanation😊 kudos to you
glad if it helps friend.
Normaly you tune the whole rpm band on a dyno. You monitor the AFR at WOT but also at any other rpm by holding it at 3000, 4000, 5000 rpm while holding throttle constant an adjust AFR to approximately 13,5 ish...
Doesn't the bike have a O2 sensor on the exhaust to auto-tune fuel injection so mixture is always right? If so, you don't need a piggyback. The stock ECU will add more fuel, compensating the increased air mass.
Good job Ben.
I have recently installed red rooster performance in my bs6 himalayan. .. so will it be a problem for my engine though it got a catalytic converter , please help me out Ben
Which mirror are those?
My bike(Himalayan BS6) has clocked approximately 12k kms. Do you suggest to change the air filter now? I am planning to replace it with Royal Enfield air filter only. Let me know you thoughts....
Nice info ... Keep it up!!
Thanks 🙂
Can you let us know, if the powertronic had helped you in fuel economy?
Good lecture mate. Cheers
Thank you
Bro you are a gem💎
Thanks for the kind words dear brother
Guys guys guys,,,its a Himmo !!,,, bottom line is it is not a power house and at best if you could gain 10 % that's only about 2.5 hp,,,, so you'll have 26/27 hp,,,if you want more power and top speed,,, the Himalayan is not the bike you buy
Hi Ben,
Can you please suggest which EBC brake pads Sintered or Semi-Sintered will be best for my bs6 Himalayan
Away From My DEN hard breaking and off road use , Sintered . Tarmac - semi ought to be better . Sintered takes time to heat up and act well . not touching the brakes for a really long time and then suddenly squeezing hard may not help ( so not suitable if you are not a front brake guy )
Hi Ben. This will help a lot, Thank you so much for the video :) and I have a question I’m planning to change only the exhaust system (PoweRage performance exhaust) doses this make the engine lean? My bike is Himalayan (bs4).
It will 100%, the bike will struggle to keep up with a bike with stock exhaust. Performance mods go as stages , stage 1 with all three mods is what i have discussed here.
What is bs4?
Is it necessary to install a Piggy back ECU if I'm installing an aftermarket exhaust and air filter? Won't the Electronic FI take care of the fuel mixture?
not a good idea friend. the ecu does take inputs from the O2/lamda sensor to make corrections to the Air fuel mixture going into the engine but it CANNOT compensate for HIGH FLOW through the combustion camber because of the introduction of a K&N and a Free Flow muffler (red rooster or any straight through muffler) . this combo makes for a LEANER running engine on top of an already LEAN running engine from the factory (modern day emission norms is responsible - the bike over heats and gets tired after a long days ride). so you HAVE TO alter fueling to suit more Air flow, which can be done in many ways (pls consult a mech in your area for the same) one of it being introduction of a piggyback ecu.
First of all Great Channel Ben. Got a lot help from your channel to understand the problems I am facing in my bike.
I need to know how Red Rooster Exhaust System and K&N Air filter combo WITHOUT Powertronic will perform and will it affect the bike (Himalayan BS4) in anyways ? And I generally ride at higher speeds. Have driven around 30k Kms and have kept the bike in stock condition.
not a good idea friend. the ecu does take inputs from the O2/lamda sensor to make corrections to the Air fuel mixture going into the engine but it CANNOT compensate for HIGH FLOW through the combustion camber because of the introduction of a K&N and a Free Flow muffler (red rooster or any straight through muffler) . this combo makes for a LEANER running engine on top of an already LEAN running engine from the factory (modern day emission norms is responsible - the bike over heats and gets tired after a long days ride). so you HAVE TO alter fueling to suit more Air flow, which can be done in many ways (pls consult a mech in your area for the same) one of it being introduction of a piggyback ecu .
Best thing I have done to my Himalayan other than suspension and aluminum wheels is put Hitchcocks carburetor kit on it. The fuel injection is now in a box on the shelf and my bike is running better than ever.
I have a 2 parter question what about the stock ECU, Air intake and stock exhaust if we dont what that 5-10% increase in performance and you are happy with the stock set up, is the engine still running lean with this stock set up ?
and is it wise to invest in performance piggy back ECU, Air filter and exhaust ? dose it help in the long run maintenance of the quality of the engine ? or stock set up is good too if I can live with the stock performance?
The stock setup is good as long as you don’t use it in city conditions for long periods of time . Any modern machine will benefit from a piggyback because they ALL RUN LEAN
Hey man! great explanation, but i do have a question, i've installed the powertronic on my Himalayan bs4, what value in volts should the tps sensor have in order to function correctly?
.59-.62 volts
Hi Ben, thanks for your explanation and time. What's the model of the k&n filter?
have provided the link in the description friend
Dr. Himalayan ( The saviour)
Hello! You have the native map that comes with the powertronic? Or you tuning a little bit more? If I only chage the ECU, what would be the results? Greetings from México!
Yes changing JUST THE ECU will def make your bike run a but more cooler . I run a custom map for the additional mods on my bike .
Hi ben i have the k&n filter and powertronic on ny himalayan, ive also change the muffler but the header and mid pipe is still stock. Do i need to replace them? thanks have a good one
no you dont have to with the current maps from RD.
Hello Ben I was planning for an performance upgradation of my BS4 Himalayan, how much BHP increased after this also would you recommend this
Yet to test exact measurable HP at rear wheel . Will do a video on it soon
I have a doubt.
Can I only use BMC Air Filter in my stock 2023 Himalayan? (The bike doesn't have any aftermarket ECU, exhaust or anything)
Will it affect the engine in long run?
Yes you can Ankrit
When I go a little far around 20kms the engine gets heated up and the fuel injector won't program wen i on the ignition switch and bike won't start so please can u say what's the problem is 😢🙏
Change your relays . Watch my videos on the same
Hi Ben can u pls give more info about the bend pipe looks changed on ur bike
It’s stock
What's your opinion about sprocketing on the Himalayan? Got some inputs on options available in the market?
totally depends on what you want from it . better acceleration till 80kmph and lower cruising speeds go with the way to speed 40 tooth rear sprocket. if you want slightly higher cruising speeds at same rpms, go with a 16 tooth front sprocket. there are guys selling them on facebook royal enfield groups.
Ben how abt just adding filter n exhaust.. Or powertronic is mandatory??
not advisable.
Explanation is 🔥.. I want to know how on off-road condition the bike performs the low end
Watch my videos from the OFF ROAD PLAYLIST
Excellent content. Very useful and easy to understand. Thank you.
One request - Could you please somehow mute the highlighter. The sound is disturbing :)
Thanks, will do!
Hi Ben, have been following your videos diligently. I have a 2018 RE Himalayan and have installed anffe from Powerage, also upgraded the sparkplug to NGK Iridium (CR9EIX). Offlate I have noticed the engine knocking under load. I am yet to procure the Powertronics ECU. Could it be that the bike is running lean because of the ffe?
Detonation happens due to many reasons . The problem could be as simple as higher compression because of carbon build up and your hot spark plug . Start with cleaning the internals of the fuel system( liquimoly fuel system cleaner or valve injector cleaner ) . This will reduce the carbon build up on the internal components . Also get your self cr8eix .
Also mufflers without baffles in India ( higher avg temps ) will def affect the engine in the long run ( lean mixtures , faster scavenging leading to burnt exhaust valves)
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN forgot to add, bike was running on Shell V Power. Also i didnt get the cr8eix anywhere.
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN agreed, will get the Powertronics box at the earliest, many thanks for the swift reply :).
@@velociraptor7110 shell v power is the best there is but not necessarily for a low compression bike like ours . Good thing that it doesn’t leave much residue.
Bro just wanted to know that what average you are getting after this red rooster and k&N filter ?
there is no such thing as a constant in mileage figures friend. your bikes max mileage can be achieved by holding constant throttle @3500 rpm.
Hello Mr.Ben. Thank you so much for such a detailed explanation. I own a bs3 Himalayan and i have installed a high velocity air filter and royal Enfield's free flow off road exhaust and kept the carburettor with the stock settings, can you please tell me how to get it tuned for optimum performance? After changing these i still fell something doesn't feel right while riding my bike.
There is a lot that needs to be done on your carburettor. Can’t explain here . Pls take it to a RACE mechanic in your area .
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN Thanks for the response brother. Will take it right away.
Unable to find your number in the description !
Nice video again - your engine diagram and the explanation of air/ fuel intake was great
Kannan Balasubramanian sorry . You can contact me on 9962693431 . Kindly watsapp .
Gurunatha.. you are really vera level. I too planned to buy Himalayan. Kalakkurenga.
Would you be willing to do a dyno test to confirm power increase and see how many HP you gained? By the way thank you for great content
Jack Lumber will do soon. The nearest dyno is 400 kms away . And it’s a lockdown scene here . So will have to wait .
Hello friend I have a doubt If I install k&n air filter do I also need to change exhaust in order to compensate air input and output.
just the filter you dont have to do anything. filter and exhaust , you will need a FI programmer. NEVER install filter and exhaust without a FI programmer like powertronic or fuel x
Great job....the way you explained things were simple and clean ...am planning to buy a bs6 himalayan but am disappointed with its performance it is much leanear and refined...I doesn't have the grunt and thrust of the bs3,bs4 models...what are the mods you suggest to get same riding feel and power of old models I don't wanna spend to much money on mod cuz I won't be having enough money after buying the bike ..!
go one teeth smaller on the front sprocket and you will def feel the difference. but to get a 14 tooth 525 pitch sprocket is difficult. also unless you dont go about increasing the explosion volume inside your combustion chamber you cannot alter the linear power curve. you will need the trio ( filter, exhaust, powercommander) . you could aslo try shedding some weight . the best thing to do is buy a used bs4
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN thank you so much... ! What about adding a redroster performance exhaust,kn filter, and a biger sprocket ?
How do you know what bs model you have? It doesn't say on my documents?
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN solid advice
Would you recommend bmc air filter and free flow exhaust to TB500 ? It has an EFI with sensor to auto adjust.
no , the Lamda sensor wont be able to self correct the mixture with an air filter and exhaust (too much velocity) . if you live @ sea level you should def avoid modding your intake or exhaust without a fuel commander or piggyback.
Any idea on how the BMC filter performs as compared to the K&N which one should I use...
I have a thunderbird 500 bs4
@@alsoknownastj9703 BMC is better build quality
And performance wise both are same?
Hi Ben, With all the modifications how much more power have you been able to squeeze. In actual terms? Were u able to measure
No dyno testing yet . But I am guessing 2-2.5 horses on the rear wheel for sure . The bike now is quicker than stock by a solid 1.5 secs to hundred and 5-6 secs to 138 kilometers/hr (
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN 138?? you are deluding yourself! it wont go over 125 kmh
@@gkossatzgmxde watch my top speed video
@@gkossatzgmxde watch my top speed video on this channel. the oldest video i believe.
If we only install irdium spark plusg and red rooster and k and n without ecu remap work fine or harmfull forthe engine
It will def make the mix lean and in turn affect the engine.
V good information pls make performance upgrade video on 650 twin plssss
sure, very soon.
could you tell me that how much the torque and power figure increased by this and what happen to the fuel economy.
Does it really worth
vivek bhandari you can expect a power increase of 2-3 bhp at rear wheel . Mileage goes down by 10% .
I am planning to install bmc air filter on my Himalayan? And I am not having any plans for installing exhaust. So is it good only if I install the air filter.
Yash Vichare not good . The bike runs extremely lean from the factory itself . Adding a freeflow air filter will do good only if you live in cold conditions. Any place which is @ sea level and has an average temp of 32-37 degrees , you should avoid the air filter
Can I know the reason why we have to avoid such mentioned places?
Hi Ben, So does this increase the top speed as well? or sprocket change is advisable?
no, top speed can only be increased with additional cc or sprocket change.
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN Thanks, Do you know of any after market sprocket makers for Meteor? The Meteor sprocket is different from Himalayan i think?
Hi Ben, if i want to install PT ECU with k&n filter in stock exhaust how it is going to work?
it will work well.
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN thanks appreciated.
Gud job
What if we install only the Red rooster ? And not the filter and powertronic
zero gains and the bike will run hotter in general. Def not recommended.
Jii where r u from
Absolutely loved it . What if I do everything else except the power tronic system as it's too much money ?
The whole point of the video was to let everyone know the importance of modifying FUELING to suit other modifications . If you don’t alter fueling ( Powertronic) and just add everything else , you will damage your engine beyond repair in less than 5-10k kilometers .
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN I guess then it's just the sprocket and weight reduction that can help me out for slight better performance
@@tyagrajsagar yes . Also you can go for a bigger rear sprocket
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN is tht ok for longer Highway rides . I was thinking reducing the front by one tooth and the rear by 2 .
Or can we only install k and n and iridium spark plug will it harm the engine is there any milage and power improvement and plz make a video on brake cleaning by the way love ur video man
K&n alone will make the throttle response better in colder climates / conditions. Again making the mixture slightly more lean . The Ecu on the bike ought to compensate for this with slight adjustments to fueling. Iridium plugs will always help with cleaner more complete combustion.
Thnq man 🙏
Hey Ben time to change my rear tyre on Himalyan plan to go with Timsun any other option I m mostly on highway kindly advise 😊
timsun ts 822 then
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN thanx brother 🙏😊👍🏽
Will bmc air filter be also a good option instead of k&n?
BMC, DNA, UNI (model specific to himalayan)
Hi
My question is
BMC,K&N,DNA Which is better for Himalayan BS6
Away From My DEN DNA
Thanks sir
What is the top speed and 0-100 timing
pls watch the video for 0-100. top speed is 135 kmph (gps true speed) speedo indicated 139 kmph
Are these mods applicable for 2021 BS6 model
Yea
Please share the link of the rear view mirror
THEY ARE CALLED DOUBLETAKE ADVENTURE MIRRORS . bikenbiker.com
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN thanks
Sir,help me...my catylicconverter is making noise.like something is broken inside there
yes the fins of the catalytic converter can break and fall into the bend pipe on the other side . get your bend pipe replaced in warranty or go to a lathe shop and have them drill out the catalytic converter.
@@ONTWOWHEELSBENmy warranty is over,if i do it by my local shop.will this effect inmy engine?
@@nanukena7309 not at all. Do a clean job.
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN ok thanks bro..u r the best🔥
@@nanukena7309 😊🙏
Walter white of motorcycles
A few things in this video are false:
1. Engines do not require back pressure, that is a myth.
But exhausts do create back pressure, because of the muffler and catalytic converter.
Engines are tuned from the factory based on the mixture which exits the exhaust.
Exhausts do not exist to regulate back pressure, they are always designed for the least amount of backpressure possible;
but they are limited by regulations and product goals.
2. The amount of air intake and exhaust will always be 100% to 100%.
It is impossible for more air to enter the intake than what exits the exhaust, and vice versa.
You stated in the video that there could be 50% intake and 50% exhaust, or even 50% intake and 60% exhaust;
this is mathematically and physically impossible. Haha
The only thing that changes based on exhaust conditions is how lean/clean the next combustion mixture is.
3. You also cannot increase the velocity of exhaust gases. The only thing which can increase exhaust velocity is RPM.
The velocity of exhaust must be created by an increase in pressure... Based on your logic, you're saying that pressure is decreasing yet somehow velocity is increasing;
again, the math is impossible... Calculator error. Haha
4. You don't need an air filter to balance the mixture after an exhaust mod. You only need more fuel to compensate for the leaner mixture.
But adding a new intake may be a good idea if the original intake is VERY restrictive.
5. It is VERY unlikely that a custom exhaust will screw up an engine, because fuel injected engines automatically adjust based on the Oxygen sensor reading.
So if you have a Fuel injected engine and you want to increase power, you really don't need to change the tuning or air filter at all.
With an Fi bike, the only reason you would need a retune is if the original exhaust is tiny tiny tiny, and you put a big open exhaust pipe on it. Then the oxygen sensor reading would be outside of the range within the computers program.
I see the issue... You said "You need to compensate for air being pulled out", but the air is not being "pulled out", it is being pushed out by the cylinder and heat expansion.
What do you think about fuel x pro?
Very very good investment
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN thankyou very much for your reply. Is it possible to gain maximum performance by fuel X like powertronic picky bag unit? If possible make a vedio on fuel x also. Thank you again.
What milage do you get from this setup?
25kmpl
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN I'm a student and I think i should stick to more humble upgrades, dope setup tho. If you ever decide to bring this baby to kashmir and want to hangout, hmu.
Much love🕊️
The ECU screen on PC looks like I am playing NFS Underground 2 haha
Yes it does
Unable to find your number ben
nandan hebbar pls contact on watsapp 9962693431
I quite disagree. What you say can be true in a 2-troke engine, and only to some extent.
Firstly, what goes in does is not equal to what goes out. The combustion products have much higher volume than the inlet "air+fuel" (that is the principle of engines). What goes out depend on the efficiency of combustion - perfectly "clean" engine has lot of air and less fuel, all the fuel burns (ideally up to CO2, especially with a help of secondary air intake during the 3rd clock). This is how engines nowadays usually go from the factory in order to comply with emission requirements. This is, however, not the best setup for the engine performance. It burns with higher temperature, but produces less-volumed combustion products (it is lean). With slightly more fuel and less fuel, the combustion products are not as clean (CO and other different non-fully combusted products), but the products have more volume, and thus produce more pressure - power to lift up the piston.
About the theory of how much open exhausts influence the engine - not much. The outlet valve is open at a different time than the inlet valve. The exhaust products just do not keep so much pressure against the engine and the resistance against the rotation of the engine is lower -> therefore it "might allow negligibly higher revs" (and torque). Nonetheless, what goes in, burns, that goes out. It is impossible that there would be more "outlet" products than what goes in and burns. The intake clock is not really much affected by the outlet clock (there is only slightly less of combustion products (inert gasses) compressed in the engine during the inlet clock, negligibly more space for the intake mixture, the fuel amount stays the same, and negligibly more air can go in...)... with electronic fuel injection almost zero effect. Your explanation is a bit misleading. With the aftermarket air filter, that's a different story, that's true.
16-tooth front sprocket will complete the package.
It sure will 😊
Bro is there any kind of topspeed improvements
no
😭😭😭
The noise when you writing on the paper was really annoying
Sorry
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN no Bro please dont say sorry the information you shared is far valuable and in dept... I just wanted to share as there may be quite a few who may have that feeling when they hear the grima
Too much of maths😢
the first 88% of your explanation is repeat repeat repeat. Utter rubbish over explaining nothing
Glad that you found the rest 12 % useful . There would be others who would fine 90% of it useful . Learn to take what matters to you and move on without criticism when you know someone’s intent is in the right place .