ROYAL ENFIELD HIMALAYAN STALLING FIX - DELETE EVAP SYSTEM ALTERNATIVE METHOD
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- Опубліковано 16 бер 2021
- Another method on how to quickly delete the EVAP system form your royal enfield HIMALAYAN.
Fixes, rough idle, stalling, erratic performance, fuel vapour escaping tank lid,
fuel smell . - Авто та транспорт
As an ESL teacher born in the 60's, may I just say you use better vocabulary, have clearer enunciation and superior use of syntax than the current youth of the UK and US. Most people don't realise the effort that requires and how easy on the ear it is. Respect to you!
Thank you Mr Simon for the kind acknowledgment. Means a lot . 🙏
I agree, if Ben is not working for RE, he should be, I think many of us English speaking types would have sold our himmys and ran to other less troublesome bikes long ago. Ben makes it possible for all English speaking owners around the world to glean all the wisdom from the Indian riders and mechanics who know this bike inside and out. He is truly one of my favorite UA-camrs.
I have to thank you Ben, because I did this and the SAI delete from Hitchcock and it has made the Himalayan build I’m doing 100% better. Yes, you lose a very marginal amount of evaporation like you’ve explained before, but I’ll take that change over the lag and choppy idle. I do have to adjust my throttle though now because it’s over 1,600 rpm at idle and I know it’s a little high. Honestly, can’t thank you again, because this helps the Himalayan exponentially
😊. Just super glad that these videos help the community.
Thanks a ton Ben, short and sweet as usual, will try to do it over the weekend for sure, have almost dropped the bike couple of times, while taking a U Turn as the bike always stalled.
Yes that’s a sign of poor erratic idling
Thanks Ben, I did the oil change last week following the advice on your video. This week, I'll do the evap delete and then air filter change. While the tank is off, I'm also going to re-position the air temperature sensor (and the one on my booster plug) towards the front of the bike just below the clocks. Very helpful videos - thanks a lot.
Glad to hear that dear friend.
Just a note to get rid of excess hose I used the throttle body hose to connect to the petrol tank as you said to exit behind the engine and completely removed the other hose originally from the tank to the front and then fitted a rubber blanking plug over the throttle body connector. Much neater than plugging the hanging hose but I guess you have to have the blanking plug.
In 1979 a young man at a chai stall in Goa showed me how best to kickstart a bullet 350, just a few short years later, another young man is showing me how to improve my Himalayan! Many thanks, and Kind regards from Whitby, Yorkshire 😁
Glad these videos help . And thanks for the kind words sir ❤️
Nice collection of motor cycles. Something we learn and know about Himalayan. Very nice.
Thank you
Ok.. heave ho to the H evap.
Enjoyed the tour, your friend has some great bikes, nice paint! I have a Himalayan, an Interceptor and TU 250x. Love your enthusiasm.. Keep up the great work.
Thanks for the kind words John 🙏.
Thanks Ben. I did it. Hopefully it runs right after the test ride!
Great video again! Thx for the interesting hacks on these bikes!
THE DOC of the 411 HIMALAYAN 🙌
i just got a 2020 himalayan, and i just did the delete. watched this video probably 42 times to make sure i got it right. the bike still runs rough though. i am concerned. i don’t want to throw a bunch of money at it in aftermarket mods (dna air cleaner and plate, AIS delete, and ECU) until i’m sure i’m not missing something simple. seems to me like the engine is starving for either more air? or fuel? or i’m just a dumb auto mechanic from pennsylvania usa… great video btw. thank for doing this.
Try adjusting the throttle body sensor (TPS) to around 6.8v - 7.0v . Importantly the fuel pump filter may need cleaning or replacing. Wouldn't hurt to check the valve clearance and that the correct spark plug is fitted, set to the correct gap and that the air filter is clean
Brother that Air filter technique ive tried for my new bs 6 2021 himalayan it have given less place to put in motule oil cans plastic cover in so ive talked to my welder tin works guy he have given me small tin sheet of used car's door pannel used it after cutting it sets in well but new taller windshield is bit troublesome during cross winds it pushes motorcycle like parachute effect as ive my self experience nearly crashed on to police barricade on side of divider area
Another great video Ben 😎. And a big 👍🏼 to Sandeep for his neat collection. Again with a question 🤭 are those MRF Mogrip Meteor s, can you ask Sandeep how are those?
Sure . Will ask him
Thank you so much for the video! Tell us in more detail, what signs should be there to eliminate this particular problem? How should a motorcycle behave, so that I would understand that it is necessary to do this?
.07 secs of the video explains the issues one faces
i dont know how evap system actually works but can i directily connect the vapour tube from tank to throttle body and reduces idle rm to accomodate the vapour input?
just having a doubt
thanks for the videos. Do you have an online shop where you sell stuff...accessories for Himalayan ?
100th thumbs up. Lovely explanation and very good as usual awesome. Thanks buddy.
Glad to be of help dear friend
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN Ben, After thinking and scratching my head I have one question (i am sure its silly still asking), As the purge value intake tube is trying to get the gases from EVAP canister, can we connect purge value intake tube directly to the tank where EVAP tube is?
Nice looking Himalayan. The stickers definately need to go.
yes , i suggested that too. he is getting new side panels.
Great video, thanks very much for posting.
Glad it helped
Hi Ben, it would be helpful if you could add a warranty void disclaimer on mods and stuff that void warranty. Many people don't know the difference between maintenance/repair and modification. Some people don't really think about the warranty till the moment they need it. It is recommendable to retain the warranty if possible as historically, RE had poor quality control for the parts and you can't be sure when your fuel pump or starting motor or alternator coil would fail.
Yes, I totally get the disclaimer part . but warranty is a subjective matter from the beginning of times. There are fools for service HEADS / MANAGERS who will link everything to warranty. WARRANTY cannot be void if the service centre cannot prove to you that your MOD caused the failure of a component. Period.But then you need to be educated and sensible enough to know what your dealing with in the first place.
Short and Simple Solution.
Hey Ben, Do you know if the EVAP system same on Continental GT 650? Can I follow the same steps to remove my GTs EVAP?
Hi bro..
What i do with my std 350uce bs4 i wanna cut the line off for this canister..
Should i just remove pipe from tank only or will i block two more pipe 1st carurator and and 2nd is intake flange??
Pls do reply
Hiii...I got Himalayan bs4...I am facing bike stalling issues whenever its get wet in rain or while washing...what could be the reason??
I had once disconnected the evap drained hose at evap system due to petrol leaking from the tank and problem solved but now I reconnect again and the same problems reoccur. I think its about time I delete the evap system too.
you're right, get rid of the stickers, especially if they are advertising, (unless they are paying you)
Bro that's bike over heats, when we remove charcoal canister, please advise bro
Romba useful ah irundhudhu
😊👍
Hi this is an excellent video my Himi is 2022, and the EVAP is hidden behind a wing of a rear wheel. it's a little different.. There is a connection of one tube directly to EVAP and another goes to a connector that looks like an electrical connector and from there (from the same connector) it connects back to EVAP. My question is, if I eliminate the electrical connector (it has 2 inputs, one from the injection system and the other that exits from it and goes back to EVAP), how do I refer to this connection?
Thanks in advance!
ua-cam.com/video/uwgrvvkO7Qc/v-deo.htmlsi=hzSnvTyCokbqPp14 this should help
Whts he dissadvantage of removing e vap system will the milage be drop
I think you done the job 'disconneted the canister wire which comes from the petrol over flow under the tank'
Am i correct
You are awesome Ben 🥰
Thanks dear friend 😊🙏
At my time, Evap was out of stock so My mechanic just removed inlet hose and i am running my bike for 3 months in this condition what happened to my bike?
Sir, i want to remove evap system in my twins. My bike became clumsy and giving less economy than normal. I sense it. After removing evap system can i bring my bike normal. Because these re sc people sucks and checks my patience. I checked spark plugs exhaust leaks, air filter, adding petrol additives like adon, everything are set. Now im looking to remove evap. I want your opinion on mileage, whether it improve or decay if i rove evap system
replaced the relays and instead of stalling hot it hiccups and drops to 800 rpm and recovers. Then deleted the EVAP system, and my 2021 stalled twice as soon as I started it cold. I took it out for a ride and it runs better, but it looks like I still have cold stall issues.
Bro can u tell what happens if evap system fails to work
is that fixed gear hanging on wall?
Cheers just done it on mine 👍
Just done this on my bike had stalling problems mine was pretty much clogged up
What is price of evap cannister?
As in video i can understand, what you are trying to convey is to remove hose from purge valve and let it go as open. The hose from throttle body has to be plugged. Am i right?
yes
My bike has been stalling a lot when throttling!! And when i open the fuel cap a kind of pressured gas release up ! I was wondering if the excess outlet is jammed and if this has any related with the stalling ?
Do what you see in this video
Ben I have a query. One of the hose from radiator is touching the crash guard the bike you have also touches like mine will that not cause any issue?. Are there any chances of cutting or breaking of that hose during long run or because of heat
No harm friend . The crash guards always Ben inwards I.e away from the radiator
Is that a paint scheme or a wrap? Could you please provide some details on that too? Thanks Ben!
Yes he has painted it
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN cool! Cost? The place?
I removed canister wire which is coming out from the tank.
Ben, I'm just thinking this , if the evap system is already clogged, would not it be enough to disconnect the Evap drain hose from the Evap system. I mean no need of bolt and zip tight for the hose from the throttle body . what do you say ??
No it wouldn’t be enough . The TB will still suck tiny portions of adulterated ( carbon filled air )
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN TB ?🤔
@@DatG-sx1co Throttle Body 🙂
Hey Ben! Thanks for the video.
I have a 2021 Himalayan. It has some of these issues - RPM fluctuates from 1k-2k without touching the accelerator. The pickup is sluggish in the first and second gear, and it stalls while making a U-turn. It's done just 2k KMs. Do you think it's because of the issue you spoke about?
MULTIPLE REASONS FOR THE SAME. Kindly take the bike to a competent SC.
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN Fourth visit today haha
Rohan bro I too have the same issue! The rpm fluctuates while on idle .
Same in USA . Brand new bike 😧
Can't I just plug the throttle connection and disconnect the evap tank connection but leave the evap and everything everything in place? Just disconnected and right next to the evap sitting in the skid plate? Is it really necessary to physically remove the evap and reroute the pipes?
yes you can.
Hey superb guys.....
Thanks Dear Brother
Will this close the erratic idling and stalling issue up? Got an uncleaned since purchase throttle body and a bad battery btw😅
Best to always clean the Tb and start afresh to rule out all possible culprits
Cannot we just replace the charcoal with a new one. Or That evap system altogether with a new one ?
yes you can replace just the charcoal cannister
Hi Ben I know this is unrelated to the video but I just wanted to know if there's any side effect if I remove the cat cc from my bs6 himalayan,the reason I want to remove it is to loose some weight.
slight reduction in backpressure ( bike runs great at higher rpms , slightly sluggish at lower rpms )
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN thanks for responding Ben 🙂
Stalling issue is due galvanic corrosion into Bi Starter piston. In this way te engine run a bit gas excess. Clean and lube the Bi Starter cable. It must work automatic return,. (is a good idea, replace the spring)
The Bi starter does help in cold starts but the stalling that I am referring to is on the go . Engine cut offs when the speed transition from high to low is quick ( 30-50% throttle to 0% throttle quickly )
Awesome vídeo Ben. But my bike pops UP te ECU light on the dash right after this mod. Any Idea why, Works Fine but the light makes me worried.
If it is the 2021 -2022 models then you have an electronic purge valve setup . That means you will have to develop a resister plug to fool the Ecu into believing that it is still in place . Kindly take the bike to a garage.
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN ty Man ir the besta.
Ben, I don't find this in my bike. I think this is not available on new BS6 model.
it is , underneath your air box.
Ben, does removing the EVAP impacts fuel economy?
yes , slightly reduces . may be 5-10%.
Why not connect the in cannister and out cannister and leave the rest of the system as it is ? Fumes then go to the trottlebody to be burnt
hello brother,
can you talk about the front sprocket for HIMALAYAN
i will get a sprocket 16 T and i want to use it to get more top speed, there is no issues if i use it in my HIMALAYN ?
best regards,
yes you can use provided the sprocket design matches the one on the himalayan .
get your rear wheel aligned from a good mech afterwards.
By using the bolt on both wires how the vapor from the tank can go out? My tank does like a soda can when I open it now I've done this mod...
I didn’t use the bolt on the vent coming from the tank . Let it hang loose to the bottom of the bike . Watch the video again
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN ok means i should block only the one who comes on the frame in the front not the one near the rear wheel? Thankx for help
Does the O2 sensor has to be removed too , since the old efi motorcycles never had evap nor O2 sensor??
That’s a good question friend. I honestly don’t know how much of a difference does removing EVAP make on fueling , because it is a mechanical unit on our bikes and works intermittently ( pressure build up - purge valve ) . So don’t know if the difference will be large enough for the O2 sensor to act in . One thing I know is that the fueling will be consistent post this mod . So leave the O2 there . It makes for a closed loop circuit and without it a lot can go wrong . Otherwise get yourself a piggyback ecu and bypass the O2 sensor and make the whole system Open loop.
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN yeah it makes sense when the piggyback is installed, but wonder what'll happen if the O2 is made dummy 😁
Bro does mileage drop in xpulse once we remove the canister from motorcycle, please advise bro
yes 5%
Is that necessary to reroute the throttle body hose to the top, any problem in leaving it down the body with the hose plugged.
No problems as long as it is plugged tightly .
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN whenever my bike goes through a water crossing it stops, what might be chances that water entering, the water crossing was always below the air filter box.
@@antonyvarghese3358 either the air filter gets a spray of water and gets clogged or you could work on your clutching and acceleration while you cross water . Always remember that it’s first got to do with you and then the machine .
I facing the same issues you mentioned.
remove it and you will surely notice a difference.
closing the throttle body pipe, will not affect motorcycle performance, please advice bro
no it will not.
Any demerits when we remove canister?
NONE.
Maybe it's just but I'm a big fan of the stickers 😁👍
😊
If those stickers are custom then it's a different story but the ones he has looks way too generic.
What about efficiency?? Will if not decrease and mileage too
5% reduction .
Hey ben. Is this process is successful in 2021 himalayan. Facing 2nd gear power issue like pickup prob. Overheating . Dont know whats going on thing that some air issue is there. Plz reply
No this doesn’t apply to the 2021-22. Your EVAP is electronically controlled . Pls take the bike over to SC and ask them to caliberate the TPS
@@ONTWOWHEELSBENoh thats really sad for me.. facing big problem in himalayan , very bad decision taken to buy himalayan. I am from indore mp . N the guys at SC are useless.. They dont know anything about this stuff they are only used to change the parts thats it.. They are saying that this is 2021 model this bike will run like this only.. The RPM is also unstable in my bike. Facing lot of issue..
Thank you
🙏
What about the fuel lost as vapour
Collects in the hose and falls/drips on to the ground . You will see droplets during hot summer days or rides
But the E vap system which you did in your himalayan was different from what your doing in his bike, you connected the E vap to throttle body direct from the tank, by seeing your video I followed the same nd did in my bike...now this is different here
Yes , this is a better solution for the same issue . That is why I deleted the video too from my channel . Kindly do the same . And sorry for the inconvenience caused .
Is it ok to bypass the evap pipe straight to the throttle body??
no dont do it. i did it initially . you cant fill up more than 10 litres and ride off road with that setup.
@@ONTWOWHEELSBENwhat if I just fill less than 8 litres, I haven't filled more than 6 liters after buying my bike because of fuel price 😅. I have a thunderbird so tank capacity is 20 so I think it's ok to fill till 10?
Ben sir, if we remove the evap, from where does the TB collects air to run the engine ?
the Tb collects air fron the Airbox friend .evap doesnt send in air , pls read about Evap systems on automobiles
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN thanks.
Ben sir, my bike has done 15k and the battery is now showing a weak sign like if I don't use the bike just for 1 day, the battery low and have to start by running. Kindly suggest , what can be done ? Or is it about time to replace the battery ? If needs to replace , is it a good to idea to use *Exide* battery for longer life?
@@DatG-sx1coreplace . Buy amaron
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN Ben sir, may I ask why not Exide ☺?
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN you mean like the stock one with 8 AH? Actually looking to upgrade to 9 or 10 AH. Your thought please ?
Evap is there on new 2021 Himalayan?? Or they have removed it from the bike?
it is underneath your seat.
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN thanks brother
Ben, didn't you connect the evap hose directly to the throttle body on your bike, if I reckon correctly. How's it holding up and why not the same trick on this one Pardon my trouble :)
the only downside to that way of conversion is that i can only run below 10 litres of fuel on the bike when doing off road riding . on tarmac its absolutely fine even with a full tank of petrol.
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN Yup don't go for that mod, it in fact can richen the mixture when fumes are formed and screw up performance. Hence asked.
@@vijayam1 no, thats not the right deduction. even when running through the canister the mixture is richened, but is a little more controlled that way. if you make a direct system out of the same it just becomes a little more uncontrolled and while doing aggressive stunts on off road terrain , the constant elevation changes make it even more uncontrolled or so i believe.
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN That's right. That's what it does.
@@vijayam1 I ran the setup for more than 5000 kms on my bike and that’s how I came to this conclusion friend . Also capping the TB is a universally tried and tested method that has no flip side
Oo how to change the same for Intercepter plz tell 👍
Just the same . Plug the hose coming from Throttle body and leave the hose from the tank to the ground .
Does bs3 have this?? Evap?
i am not sure . pls look at your bashplate.
Do not do it.
1. Its fitted to meet BS4 emission norms.
2. If your engine is over heating, petrol will evaporate pretty fast. If you are running low in petrol level in tank it will evaporate fast.
3. Tried both options, rides better with the canister on.
This.... just removed my evap canister and bike runs and idles like garbage now. It's there for a reason.
Sir this chassis issues of cracking in most of the re Himalayan bs6
Is it true.. or just....a story?
dont know buddy . never saw one in flesh.
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN thanks 🙏
Bro could I get yours garage location?
Dear Ben. I have been reading post wherein it has been mentioned that the ECU is pulling the vapour fuel once we are on constant speed. If we remove the evap can then ECU might get some errors. How do you recommend that.
That is for electronically controlled EVAP systems . The Himalayan's system works on vaccum generated by the TB . there is no sensor in the EVAP cannister like the ones in cars .
My bike when we start bike some time the rom goes to 2000 and drops to 1250 very slowly i don't know why . And when we r in signal or taking turns the bike is getting off suddenly.any reason pls bro
You need to clean the Throttle Body and set the idle again .
As for stalling , you can start by removing the EVAP system .
What will happen if I removed canister and ride bike ?
You HAVE TO plug the TB breather pipe .
I'm jealous of your shorts ! My garage is -5°C at the moment...........
Ha ha .. you are going to see them on me for a really long time . We are touching 35 degrees soon
If i remove evap..any problem causes?
no
Make a video on rx 100
Sure .
Bro can we remove evap system in bullet classic 350
Yes you can dear friend. Plug the hose from the carburettor/ throttle body and let the hose from the tank fall/ hang to the ground .
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN please explain it
?
Is this bike ECU tuned?
yes it runs a powertronic.
What will be the problem if we leave the throttle body pipe to the canister?
Hey, I really wanted your opinion on something.
I purchased a Himalayan BS6 2021 two days back,
And from the first day itself it has stalling issues be it when I pull in the clutch for stopping or while making a U-turn where the bike gets a bit slow it stalls. This happens every 2 out of 5 times to take an example.
Another problem is that the bike's pickup is very poor, I mean I've ridden a Himalayan before and it had good low end torque but talking about mine it just doesn't pull.
Really frustrated since the service center mechanics are no good at understanding the problem leave alone fixing it.
Really looking forward for some help.
there are too many reasons for stalling. it will take me forever to type here. kindly take it to the service center and ask them to diagnose and find a solution for the same.
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN Ben sir, he just mentioned that he did not trust the mechanic at the service center 🤷🏻
Calibrar sensor TPS, is a solución.
No Stickers, paint job is superb though
I did this bike worked fine in Manipur but now when in High heat in Punjab bike stalls and jerks until I reach higher speeds.
Change your relays .
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN do you have a video
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN found video
Bro may I know where are you from?
Chennai
Beautiful bike desecrated by awful apple stickers. That bike looks much cleaner and better without the stickers. I don’t mean to disrespect, simply answering the question you asked at 11:40
Sir do you have an tamil channel?
No brother . You can ask me your doubts. Pls contact me via whatsapp 9962693431
Been facing problems ever since I deleted the EVAP 👎
Wouldn't suggest this to anybody. Just check your hoses, and make sure they're not pinched, you'll be good to go.
What kind of problems friend ?
@@ONTWOWHEELSBEN Erratic idling/ High idling, cold start issues, Bad fuel economy
Make sure that the port on the throttle body where the evap hose connects is capped off or plugged. If not, it can cause the problems you mention. I did the delete on my himi and it fixed all the starting and idling problems. It starts now without needing the "choke".
These are the symptoms caused by a choked or clogged EVAP . This video will def help friend. I share a different more easier fix in this one .
u tamil?