Fox GRIP2 vs FIT4 / Which is best for you?
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- Опубліковано 25 лис 2018
- For 2019, Fox offers two different dampers in their Float 36 forks; the GRIP2 and the FIT4.
Although the GRIP2 damper is brand spankin' new and feels amazing, I believe it may not be the better choice for some riders.
Check out the video to figure out which will be better for you while you're either upgrading your current fork or building up a new bike with some sweet Fox suspension!
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Huge thanks to Josh from @DailyMTBRider for making a cameo as Rider B, go check out his videos if you haven't already!
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Which rider type are you? Rider A or Rider B???
Most definitely rider B. Lol. Set it and rip!!!
@@ridingwiththereids The more fun way of setup! 😂
@@TheLostCo lol exactly. If I bottom out, I just add a little more air. That's about it. But I also have a cheap suntour fork...
@@ridingwiththereids Hey whatever gets the job done!
B
Rider B is me.... like 100x over.... If only people saw me saying "I think I adjusted my rebound settings on this thing..... yeah I think I did" 😂 - Great video Mike!
Definitely “B”. I move the knobs around and then go for a ride and go hmm... I didn’t fall off my bike so it must be okay.
Lol josh your acting is great lol
Rider A: I tried all the helmets in the shop, for the right fit.
Rider B: My small head fits XXXL just fine.. let’s gooo already!
Man, it's just one of best video explanation/review I have ever seen. Definitely the best opening story :))
This is probably the best video on fox forks I’ve ever seen. Thank you for making this so easy to understand!
Great video, thanks for the info! I just did the Grip2 upgrade on my Fox 40, from the Fit4. Very easy to swap out, and what a big difference!
The scenes out on the trail were hilarious. More of that, please! Great video. Clears up a mystery. Thanks.
I Have a non adjustable fork with rim brakes, why am I watching this?
It's been a year, have you upgraded yet?
@@dyremtb27.5 lmao
No need to bragg about it, I only have a steel tube!
its been 3 years did u upgraded it yet?
Have you upgraded?
Yessss, exact video I was looking for with every question answered. Subbed.
love the out takes or blooper part to this video, you should always add them in or at the end as extras cause they give a real life feel to it and make it all more relaxing and fun know we are all mere mortals that have a passion for mountain biking.
Agree
Brother, hands down the best fork description video I’ve ever seen! You know your shit and that makes a guy like me who is a suspension geek Uber happy! Keep up the Brilliant work!
Thanks so much for the kind words, dude!! Glad I could entertain ya!!
Great video thanks. Had my Grip2 about 3 weeks and what an amazing fork. Set up mine within 3 rides using the ShockWiz and now feels amazing. Money well spend.
Nice man thats great to hear!!! I love my GRIP2 fork!
Great video. I'm definitely rider B. I'm in the process of understanding the different types of dampers and didn't have any idea of these things, my original concern was more focused on having the 3 positions on the fork which is pretty much the only thing that I use during my rides
I’m definitely rider B. Set it and forget it 👍🏼 you guys are really doing well with these videos. Keep it up Mike 🤘🏼
This was a great video. I was on the fence about getting the fit for damper but thanks to your video and explanation definitely going with the fit for as I'm the kind of guy who just wants to ride and not tinker!
Great run down man, I love the detail...just what I was looking for.....really appreciated!
Mike, I love your videos. You are very knowledgeable and passionate about bikes. Please keep it up!
. This was awesome!!! Great video. I hope your channel grows because it is great!
I have a Grip didn't have a time to set up properly (ski season came up on us), for sure will check your video and did I mention I subbed, thank you!
I've been looking at fox forks and kept wondering wth was the difference. Your video popped up a
With the exact answer. Damn good video broham. I'd like the Grip2 but I'm more of a I just wanna ride type so Fit4 sounds like a winner.
Best fork I have tried is the Rock Shox Judy on my old bike, now I got a Suntour coil on my new bike. I think I will be more than happy with any Fox 34 FIT4/GRIP2 model I will choose as my upgrade. Bought the cheapest version of a good-framed branded mtb on sale, to choose the upgrades that I want, instead of getting a high-end version, with only so-so parts.
Great video! I've got the Fit4 from 2018, but it has the same HSC, LSC dampening control as the Grip2 in your video (just not the independant hi/lo rebound adjuster), so I guess my fork is for the rider between A and B!
Hey Kit! The damper you have is referred to as their FIT HSC/LSC. This damper has been phased out to the new GRIP2 damper which is the upgraded replacement for that damper in the Fox lineup.
That damper was great too! If you ever feel like you'd like to have that adjustable high-speed rebound, you can easily swap out your damper with a GRIP2 which you can order from me @ misterlost.com/forks/2019-fox-36-grip2-damper-upgrade-kit
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Awsome video. Explained in detail and doesnt leave you guessing. 👍🏻
The beginning of this video if funny! Thanks for the info guys.
Going from a recon to the orange factory 36 gonna be so nice
Just found this! Good stuff. I did find that with the Grip2, a Shockwiz was a huge help. Got my fork tuned in a day.
Thanks for posting this!
I'm using a friend's Shockwiz on my Fit4 damper Factory 34 and the LSC only, single rebound adjustment is a bit frustrating. Weird that a SRAM product has me shopping for a Fox upgrade, lol.
Good vid. Rider A vs B is a solid philosophy to start with. I've tried both forks and really liked both. Where I believe Grip2 is better is with Big brands that are just borrowing geometry trends from niche brands & haven't thought through the overall kinematics & thus extra adjustment is well appreciated or just super OCD Type A riders. Fit4 is terrific for good niche brands because the geometry & kinematics is painstakingly thought through. For example Pivot or Transition, loved Fit4 on those bikes, yet those brands really think through everything & thus you pay more but get more which equals less to think through on settings vs. big brands. My 2 cents. Totally OK to disagree cause if you do...just means you,'re passionate abt Mtb 🤘
Well explained I’m type B rider with a new fork after set up first week or two I dial most one or two more clicks or add more bottom out Tokons
Nice! This is just fantastic. Thanks for cutting to the chase, and cutting through the “if I don’t have the latest, greatest, top o’ the line, it’s not good enough.” I’m rider type A, but I’ll make sure to send all my B-type riding buddies to this video.
Exactly the video I was looking for! Thanks, subbed
Heck yeah! Glad you and enjoyed and happy to have you along for the ride!
Are you looking to get a new Fox fork? If so, give me a ring at the shop and I'll help you get one! The shop number is 360-306-8827.
Nice job, I went from a 3 year old pike to a fit 4 last year and couldn't be happier, that I know of, I am the guy that will spend time getting it dialed in right away then I better write it down cause I leave it alone from there on. I usually seek out alot of the same terrain that I love to ride so I think I got the right one.
Sounds like the FIT4 was definitely for you! They're awesome dampers!!
Most definitely rider B. Just twist knobs until shit feels good and send it 😁
Thanks for the video and info. The fox fork is way outta my price range, but it's nice to see what's available out there. Also subscibed 😎
LOL turn knobs and send shit... that needs to be a sticker and shirt haha.
Thanks for the subscribe and good words! Glad to have you along for the ride!!
Lol you make the shirts and I'd gladly wear one 😉😁
Awesome video as usual! Thanks
thanks for this video.... i finally understood my fox 32 fit 4 damper...👍
Before watching this video, I had my heart set on getting the Grip2 damper, but now I’m not so sure. My current fork (34 Rhythm) has the Grip damper (basically only a lockout lever and rebound adjust) and I’m pretty happy with it. I mainly want Factory for the lighter weight as well as to match to the Kashima of my DPX2 shock, so I think I may just go with the Fit4
I just bought the 36 in 150mm with fit4 because bizarrely fox wont sell the grip2 as 150mm but they told me i can buy it as a 160mm and then get a shorter air piston to reduce the travel to 150mm. This makes no sense.
Newb here to MTB and your videos are a huge help. Thx!!
You are very welcome!
Another great video, thanks again.
This is why i love my Lyric 19 its like a plug and play no need to do any shit just straight shredding out of the box
Thanks for helping me decide.
Nice review. I have the Fit4 on a 34FOX and love it and pretty much just set it and forget it. I only weigh 160 and my trails are not that aggressive plus it’s on a hardtail. I’m actually building another hardtail SS and see the new 34FOX has the Grip2 option. I don’t know if I would notice the marginal improvement on a Grip2 so I’ll probably just get another Fit4.
hey mike! love your videos man! I was wondering if I can install a grip2 damper on my 2014 FOX 34 FIT fork? I'm getting ready to rebuild and thought it would be the right time.
Gives me an idea what to wear in a wet trail. A freaking checkered long sleeves…😆✌🏼
This is a great guide.
I have a question about how this relates to the 2019 Fox 34 forks. On the 36 forks, the Grip2 is more expensive than the Fit4, which is totally understandable. But, on the 34, the Grip fork costs less than the Fit4. Shouldn't it be the other way around? Is the Grip Damper on the 34 fork anything like the Grip2 on the 36 fork?
I'm definitely a Type B rider. I currently have a Float 32 CTD on a 2015 Trance 2 and I'm thinking I might update it. I like being able to lock out the fork, so it seems like the Fit4 would be best for me.
Thoughts?
Hey Mike, I'm thinking about the Grip2 after seeing the review. I do a lot of looong climbs on paved roads to get to the top of my trails(DH world cup rated).
Currently I ride a 34 Fit4 and because of paved roads I really appreciate the lockout feature of the Fit4.
How would you compare the lockout of the FIT4 vs GRIP2 with closed compression dials(Is it strong enough to not give when stand pedaling up hill?)...? Thanks ✌
Hollywood here, we need you asap
Guess I’m rider A and I’ll be going with the grip 2 thanks broham
Very useful video and very well explained. Thanks a lot! I’m clearly a rider type B.
Let me ask you a (freak) question: are there differences in terms of weight between the Fit4 and the Grip2?
Subscribed to your channel. Greatings from a fellow UA-camr from Spain
lol if I get stationed up in the PNW, your shop is gonna be the new hangout spot. Plus that mobile bike truck is slick.
Rider A is worst type on the trail lol
would you please make a full tutorial video on how to set up grip 2 fox 38 fork. I really need it.
I've got a set of Fox 32 with the Grip system and buggar me, I can't find the "perfect" setup. There's too many settings but I love it. The lockout system is absolutely fantastic and the damping is sublime.
@@demortorman I found a good middle ground in the end and dropped 5ml oil into the air chamber. The sheer range of adjustment took me a while to get right though. Spent ages looking for perfection, a click here, a clock there kind of thing.
Thank you for the great video. Can I ask which it better between a Fit Grip 38 (Float Performance) or a Grip2 36 (Performance Elite)? Thank You!
I just bought my first full suspension bike (defcon1) and it has a Fox 36 with the fit4. So far I absolutely love it!! I'm a type A kinda dude 👍
I’d like to put a grip2 in my 36 but I use my lockout alot on my fit4. How stiff can i make the grip2 compared to fit4 for pedaling???
I honestly had no idea that there was this fit 4 and grip 2 damper I thought they were the same thing. I literally had no idea what they did 😂
A fox 34 rhythm can be replaced for a fox 36? Great video, thanks.
You deserve way more subs man, you make some awesome videos! 🤘
Thanks Nick!!! I just started the channel recently and haven't had a ton of time lately to put up constant videos. Might close the shop for the winter to just focus on filming!!
Mister Lost Bike Shop No problem!! Nice man, the shop looks sick too! I’m sure all of your subscribers would love that I know I would, keep the awesome content coming!! 🤘One thing I wanted to ask you was your thoughts on two bikes that I am in between purchasing for next summer 2019. Right now I am in between the YT Capra 29 and the YT jeffsy 27. I don’t know which to go with, I will be taking the bike to killington bike park in Vermont around 2-4 times a month and I will also be using it on my local single track trails. If you have any insight on these bikes or if you have any other suggestions it would be great to hear them! Cheers!
@@nick-knock Thats an easy one!
Bike Park = Capra 😎
Seriously though! The Capra will make you happier in the bike park, and they pedal pretty dang good!
Mister Lost Bike Shop that’s what I was thinking too! Haha thanks so much for the input man! And If I’m ever in Bellingham (which I hope to get out there one day, seems like some pretty sweet trails) I’ll have to stop by and check out the shop 🤘
I literally couldn't concentrate on you too much because i fell in love with the beats in the background lmao
Nice video. Are there any 3D simulations which explains how damper works in general?
Very good video. I have Fit4 inside my Fox 38 160mm. After 300km I have notice interesting behavior: riding down hill above 25-30 km / h suddenly damper start to be perfectly smooth and feels like flowing (perfect damping, perfect control). In opposite with low speed , below 25km/h feels less comfortable.
Wondering it is wrong adjustment of my Fit4 or this is just normal behavior of Fit4. To increase low speed comfort/control I should change for Grip2?
The suntour highend forks also have independent hsc, lsc, hsr and lsr. And also a lockout swich.
I like my old Scott Twinloc CTD with remote system, I prefer to lock or unlock both(fork and shock) on the fly.
Thanks for this video... I was about to grab the FIT4 not knowing what the GRIP2 is lol
I am rider A when I first get the shock maybe about 10 minutes, after ten minutes im rider B and only adjust my GRIP Damper for climbing-just a lever on my Marzocchi Z1 Coil.
I am a tinkerer by heart but since i don't have the money to invest in high end bikes which comes with high end suspension am i limited to the fairly limited range of adjustments of the entry level forks and shocks. I'm currently running an almost bone stock trek remedy 7, I have only swapped out the tires. so i have learnt to go for what feels good and stick with that.
but I hope that my next bike in like 5-10 years time will be a higher end piece of equipment. i'm planning on building up a frame to my specs so I can save where I don't feel as much difference and shell out on things like the suspension and rims
man that was great. thanks. very helpful.
Can you go over some DVO stuff? I know they have similar adjustments and more like OTT. They just don't have low and high speed rebound... side by side what is better DVO Diamond or Fox 36 grip
is the grip 2 a good fork to do descents as well as climbing?
Do u think I should switch my 2016 pike rct3 140mm for the 2019 fox36 rythm with grip 160mm? On my titus el guapo 29er. The frame can take a 160mm fork. I am planning to get one on a very good deal.
I have the grip 2, just got it, but I prefer just having a lock, pro pedal, and full squish.
i concede to install an mrp ramp controll in to my grip2 180 mm fork. what did u thik about the mrp in generall ? and is it woth it so change voliume depens on the terrain
Great video. Really great
I had my 2015 fox evolution fork upgraded to a fit4 damper, but it doesn’t play well with the twinloc (it’s a scott spark) after the upgrade. I cannot use some of the travel (about 20%) although sag is set to 20% which is plush for a fox fork. It also hesitated to “unlock” for a while after each lockout, getting back to normal only after a few hard jumps. When i took it back to lbs who installed it (they sent the fork to authorized dealer for the upgrade), they said they fixed the problems, but it’s now even worse… now the lockout has no effect and i still can’t use some of the travel. Any idea what may be wrong?
Mike, I'm a midwest kid looking at building a new hardtail. I am thinking about the Fox 34, since we don't have a ton of downhill here, would the GRIP2 not be recommended over the FIT4?
will using a shockwiz help me get this dialled in "perfectly"?
"Nice and dry out"... lol! I love PNW winter riding.
Hahahahaha
can u guys help me, what should i get ihave a roscoe 27.5 plus and im planning to upgrade my fork to fox fork
Can u change the lever ? I have fox 34 but has that stupid wire that’s controlled buy a kick out on handle bars . So can I change that
LOL "My dirt bags" I love it.
fit4 rider on 120mil 34 here. Now that we can upgrade to grip2 too, this has become a question. Honestly, I think I have much more to gain by tuning the spring rather than changing the damper. Look at you, Vorsprung Luftkappe! Should make it more subtle off the top and give mid-stroke support. I tried relying on the damper for support, but it just makes the whole thing feel sluggish and not active at all.
Isn't the sr suntour durolux r2c2 basically a grip 3 damper? It has high and low speed compression as well as high and low speed rebound. It also has a negative coil .
It is possible "update" a 36 model 2016 with 2018 fit4 hydraulic damper?
Great video! Lots of really good info. Any plans on doing one similar with the Fox 34's?
In Factory spec, there is only the FIT4 damper for 34. In lower tier Performance series the GRIP damper has a simpler compression lever (incrementally open through to locked) with no low speed compression adjustment.
Thank you for this video I have been wondering about switching from my fit to a grip damper. I am definitely type A though not as bad as the guy in the video but it is all about the suspension for me
Haha yeah those characters were super over-dramatized! The GRIP2 damper is pretty badass!
If you do consider the damper upgrade, you can order one from me on our website @ www.misterlost.com/forks/2019-fox-36-grip2-damper-upgrade-kit
@@TheLostCo Yes I’ve checked them out already on your site. At this point in my life I have to decide now whether I want to continue upgrading what I have or sell and get and e bike. But at that time I’m sure the E bike will also need an upgrade as I am so geeky about suspension! Thanks to folks like you we have lots of choices!
(Age and arthritis is sneaking up on me and I could really benefit from the all the advantage that ebikes provide, though I just hate having to consider this as an option!). I can’t remember, do you sell bicycles?
Do you know how the Fox 34 AWL differs from the Fox Factory Fit4 or Grip2?
I have Fox 36 orange RC2. Plan to upgrade the damper to Grip2 or Push ACS3. Any thoughts please? Thanks in advance. Price is similar anyway
Great video! I have no,problem with the high and low compression. The hi and low rebound are giving me a fit! Got it where I fell good cuz out trails here in the east are so rocky and rooty and not much dirt. Should I try a shock,wiz? I always go by way it feels but the rebound shit got me crazy!
Hey Harold! Did you happen to watch my GRIP2 setup video? That should help you fine tune your rebound to get it feeling super dialed. Check it out @ ua-cam.com/video/D9vsOHmmmpo/v-deo.html
Are they both equally serviceable in terms of complexity?
thanks I currently ride a 7 years old cross-country fully home upgraded to fox factory 34 120mm fit4 (to keep the original 120-120 geometry) but looking at an emtb I definitely want more travel and smoothing, hearing what you say I would not want a grip2 on a muscular bike as the locked and float settings are game changers for pedaling power did 60 miles 4770ft recently worst slope was 18% you do not want pedal pumping on that uphill >< for a muscular bike used to climb mountains on road or hard terrain and descent on wherever I want grass dirt off trail (I bike hike if you get what I mean) i deflated slightly below my recommended fox weight pressure, lock or float to ascend with rebound to stiff then unlock all and set rebound to fast for descent it's not bad for cross country, at recommended fox pressures I get very good pedalling uphill but the (4770ft) downhill was rough on my rear and shoulders, I can easily guess the high low speed settings of the grip 2 would help fix my too harsh too soft problem I'll keep that in mind for the emtb and will watch your setup guide thank you very much
wird der grip 2 dämpfer aktuell mit dem orangen gabelfuß ausgeliefert, oder alternativ mit schwarz?
Type B+ I like to tinker but set it and forget it while riding. Currently have the FIT4, but have looked into possibly replacing the damper with the GRIP2 later on.
Haha me too! If you want to swap out the damper, you can order the GRIP2 Damper Kit from me @ misterlost.com/forks/2019-fox-36-grip2-damper-upgrade-kit
@The Lost Co. I just bought a 2021 Cannondale Trail SE 2 bike which has a Rock Shox 35 Silver R, 120mm, 15x110 thru-axle, 51mm offset. I want to switch the fork to a Fox fork but I’m having trouble deciding which is the best fit Fox fork for that bike. I know I am a B type rider so I’d want the Fit4 and I also know I’d like to go with a Step Cast. I don’t mind spending the money on the Factory Fox forks but I prefer the black stanchions so the Performance Elite or Performance will be what I’ll likely choose from. My main question is should I get a 32,34 or 36? I have no clue what size stanchion best suits that bike. I weigh 205lbs and I use the bike to get back and forth to work and keep in shape and on days off I ride it in trails in state parks I go to. My bike has 120mm travel, would you recommend staying at 120mm? My local bike shop that just closed said he won’t go above 130mm on that bike. Also a lot of the blacked out Performance Elite or Performance forks have 44mm offset and mine is 51mm offset, should I make sure I get a fork with 51mm offset or could I use 44mm offset?
incredibly helpful video, im for sure rider B lol
What about the fit grip? How how is it differ among those forks?
Nice video Mike
the grip 2 is more smooth, or fit4 y grip2 are similar? now have a grip1 an i needed a update
Complicated situation; My wife and I are building a tandem for Sea Otter. Can a 36 handle that type of load? Or would you just go straight to a 40? I’m about 140lbs, she is maybe 110lbs.
Additionally, is grip 2 and Fit4 even options on the 40?
Hello, does anybody now if there is a diffrence between Fox 40 Performance Elite FIT 4 damper and Fox 40 Factory Series FIT 4 damper ?
I so hope i can get hold on a FOX grip2 damper fork with my bike im gonna by now. Stock it comes with a FIT4 damper apparently, even when the site itself for the bike says ''GRIP damper''. Maybe i can upgrade it for alittle more money.
Becouse i come from Motocross background im very used to high and low speed both compression and rebound so this fork would be awesome for me!
Hey buddy! Does kashima coat fades when it get’s older?
Can you do a video on the Pike RCT3... i have no idea what all the fancy adjustments do. Other then locking the fork out lol.... AWESOME video BTW!!!
Hey dude! Check out this video: ua-cam.com/video/D9vsOHmmmpo/v-deo.html
It covers the Fox adjustments, but other than the high speed rebound on the Fox, your Pike RCT3 will work the same way! Happy new year!!