7:50 I don't think Zoro will replace the Sandai. It's far too important to him. This was made clear during the King fight where Zoro finally understood the importance of his blades. Aside from this, Sandai functions as a mirror of Zoro. Sandai was in the bargain bin for cheap despite it being forged by a legendary swordsmith, no one acknowledged it's true value and deemed it a cursed blade despite the fact that, as we find out, swords aren't malicious. Zoro is the only one who recognises it's true value and takes it with him, allowing it to reach new heights. Zoro is found in the "bargain bin" known as the East Blue. Mihawk mentions that the East Blue is the weakest of the 4 blues. While he is relatively famous, he is regarded as demon despite generally being a good person. Luffy is the only one who recognises his true value and brings him along, allowing him to reach new heights that he wouldn't have been able to reach otherwise. This probably explains why Sandai chose Zoro in the first place, since they're kindred spirits in a way.
My only reason I think zoro leaves sandai is because even if it become a black blade it wont reach supreme grade status which i assume zoro is going to have 3 supreme grade status swords by the end of the series. Only Nidai kitetsu is one rank away from supreme and black blades lvl a sword up a grade.
@@user-er1ue6ui8d I can't find the panel rn but im 100% sure it only raises a blade up 1 level which is why oda has zoro with 2 swords behind supreme and 90% sure sandai is getting replaced with a great grade sword
I've always said Zoro is an unwilling conqueror, he's the kind of guy who wont accept a W unless he is 100% sure he earned it. In his fight with King it's out right shown that he limits himself, enma a sword that brings out the best in it's user to the point that if you can't control it your going to die, Kaido acknowledged him as a worthy opponent with C.H but he discredited his own feat against kaido because he thought he could do more, he didn't have a real challenge from when he came back to saobabody and i feel like he purposely limits himself because of his dream, there is no half way or middle with him its either he's the best or he rather dies. Thats what i love about Zoro he dosen't accept anything unless he's assure it'd only make him better. Zoro is a Conqueror but i feel like he didnt truly accepted that until he understood the weight of his swords. I think he'll turn his blades black all at once not one sword at a time because he does it all or nothing
did zoro even defeat king fr. I read the manga and the last thing i remember was him looking at the grim reaper about to die. These fights were rushed ash fr
@@ryanlucht6625 he definitely won the fight, just was close to death after. Personally don't think the reaper thing was anything more than symbolizing that, but wouldn't be mad if it was.
Definitely the fight I'm most looking forward to as well. Can't believe there are some people who think it's not going to happen lol and they have the audacity to say it's because shiryu will beat mihawk instead 💀
@@kenan-b well speak for yourself. Im excited too to see the fight, but Im much more hyped for Dragon, IMU, Shanks, Luffy and Blackbeard and whoever fights who between these 4. As these are all above Zoro's path of beating Mihawk. The height of Swordsmanship is not the height of the OnePiece world. As Mihawk already said regarding Whitebeard alone to Donflamingo: "i want to see the distance between him and us" And the answer to Luffys qurst of becoming pirateking: "that is a title beyond my own" This series isnt called ZoroPiece. Zoro is carrying the Itachi disease. Meaning too many overjoyed fanboys who are blind to the ability of Itachi/Zoro and in the cade of Itachi ended up seeing that there were many character far faaaar more powerful than Itachi in the end of the series.
I personally believe each blade has its own trigger to make it a black blade. For example, the "Promise" that Zoro made to Kuina to become The strongest swordsman so, Wado Ichimongi will become a black blade when he beats Mihawk. as for Enma, it must have a different trigger to make it black same with Kitatsu it is said every user died, so him surviving death (recent reaper) must be Kitatsu doing rather than Enma. SO I believe each blade becomes black for a different reason.
You just said something actually really interesting! I hadn't seen anyone relate the Reaper to Sandai Kitetsu's curse yet. Seeing that swords seem to almost have a will/consciousness of their own, I wouldn't be surprised if the Reaper was some sort of manifestation from Kitetsu. Maybe that's the beginning of the events that will lead him to turn all 3 swords black, now that we might've seen both Enma's and Kitetsu's wills all in the same fight.
I'm thinking that Enma has taught Zoro what it needed to teach him, and therefore, it could stay in Wano for Momo to inherit his father's 2 sword style, and Zoro will have 2 Kitetsu's and Wado Ichimonji. The maker of those blades are there to personally bestow them on him after all. Of he could make him a brand new blade to turn black from scratch.
We should all remember that Mihawk said that a broken blade is a disgrace to the swordsman, so I don't think it would make sense for Zoro to lose a sword because that would mean that with all his training, he is still, in a way, a failure because he couldn't keep his blade safe. So I think he will stick with Kitetsu III. On the other hand we don't really know what makes blades gain rank. Tekking brought it up in a recent video and granted it came from magazine which is not a direct quote by Odam but it gave a list of ranked and unranked weapons and Kaido's kanabo was there, but as unranked weapon. A club that is Kaido's weapon of choice, that wistood being wielded by an absolute monster is an unranked blade. The other weird thing is Law's blade that has a name, is a cursed blade and we know that cursed blades are just powerful swords that require certain skills to be used, is an unranked blade. So yeah, I don't see a problem with Zoro wielding Kitetsu III by the end of the series.
@@seiryukaidou It was more along the lines of: 'even' a nicked edge. Meaning that anything below great condition for a sword is a disgrace, so a broken one most certainly falls in that category😂
To be honest, The only sword I think really matters to Zoro's development as swordsman is Kitetsu III, all the other swords are either given to him or he received it by some means but only time he really took sword was in that shop where he checked his luck against it. Its not that Zoro received it from someone he got it because sword chose not to cut him. We can say that Kitetsu III chose Zoro.
Well....shopkeep DID give it to him for free rather than making him pay so...lol but in all seriousness i get what you're saying, though even though the others were given to him, they were mostly the results of him impressing by proving his mettle, determination and skill anyway
I see your point and i kind of get that importance but I think that Wado Ichimonji is best suited to be the first black blade if there even is an order to what blade becomes black first, because he did promise with that blade to become the strongest and survived his first fight with Mihawk with it as well. Based on the story it would also make a lot of sense for him to either get Wado Ichimonji as his first black blade or he get all three black blades simultaneously
I'm ngl. I've always thought he would need to have all 3 blades already black to fight Mihawk and surpass him since Mihawk has the strongest black blade in the series. I do think beating Mihawk is definitely enough of reward for Zoro. I think Mihawk seeing that all 3 of his baldes are black before they fight would make there interaction b4 the fight so much more interesting too
I think it'll happen midfight vs mihawk. Zoro will find that mihawk's guard is unbreakable, and the only way to beat him is to literally break his guard (his sword) allowing him to land a finishing blow on mihawk. Only way to break mihawk's sword is with all black blades of his own with even more powerful haki imo
I think the sandai kitetsu is likely underrated and having it turn black when the shodai kitetsu is not a black blade will be a significant part of the story. Its the "rookie" of the 3 kitetsu swords and for it to surpass the other graded swords will increase its rank possibly up to supreme, similar to a no-name samurai from the east blue becoming the strongest swordsman
Personally, I believe that for Zoro to gain black blades, he has to master conquerors haki. Without the drain and time limit. There have been a lot of references to "taming" your blade. It is what allowed him to use Enma.
The problem with this is that I think it would make much more sense for Zoro to already have a black sword when fighting Mihawk. It could also be an indication for Mihawk that Zoro is deserving to for him to have a serious fight
If Zoro turns all three of his blades black at once, then I think that would establish him as not just the greatest swordsman in the world, but the greatest swordsman to ever live. A title that’s not only fitting for the right hand man of the Pirate King, but also one that would shake the heavens themselves.
Nah would be shitty writing beneath a great like Oda. There already is a prirate king and neither he or his right hand had a Black blade. Would be too much like a shitty fan fiction s8 GoT all over again. He will get one and it will be the wado
@@johnwhick7419 Shitty writing?? What's shitty about it? you just mad and salty because you don't want to see Zoro achieve his goal. Zoro is still a part of the main cast it is no surprise if he able to reach that level what do you mean shitty writing... Roger is mere a legend that Oda used in the story he is not a part of the main cast.
I think the fandom places too much emphasis on sword grades. Mihawk defeated Zoro with a pen knife, definitively proving that it's the user not the sword that matters.
@@alejandro.rodarte If "any" blade can do it doesnt that mean that Mihawk could eventually come after Zoro with a black pen knife? That would be the single greatest moment in One Piece history.
Also I really don't like how people want Zoro to simply switch out his swords when he sees one that's "stronger"...obviously he won't swap out Wado Ichomonji for any reason, but he clearly formed a bond with Sandai Kitetsu ever since he iconically gambled his fate against his arm. The Yubashiri was arguably the least important one and even then Zoro was clearly sad for it's loss and he even respectfully buried it. What I'm saying is a swordsman is expected to have a lot of loyalty for his swords, and I think it's foolish to assume Zoro would just abandon them unless they break...I only accepted him giving away Shusui because I see it as "it didn't belong to him" and he brought it back to his master's grave (despite his remains not being there but whatever)
Agreed. I think turning a blade black is something the swordsman does. It's a reflection of the swordsman's strength. It could be about any blade at all.
Is so misterious and intriguing, the fact that the sword remains black even after the owner dies or just doesnt use it anymore. Considering that oda presented mihawk and his black blade so early in the series i dont expect this mistery to be that complex, i kind find it to be a more mental idea just like most good concepts in swordmanship. Something around the words of, when you master and give yourself and your blade soul the most close to death experience or you really take the last sweat out of it...the blade just happends to reveal his demon in a more physical way (in color black) forever. Actually ashura is a big player here, ashura being wado demon "trying to get out" makes sense. But zoro can only feel the higher dimension of blades when he is so close to death or pushed way too much. Once zoro can easily show ashura-wado demon, then the blade will turn black. As for now, zoro can only go to lower levels of demon blades.
I think it has something to do with conquerors haki. The advanced conquerors allows you to attack without making contact to your target. Maybe black blades are a product of imbuing conquerors haki remotely (without contact) and maybe we learn through shanks exposition at elbaf (as he's presumed to be strongest haki user) and explains to luffy how to use it properly and trains him. In this explanation, maybe shanks explains to zoro that he can sense his strong will and say he's a conqueror and also tells him how to permanently black blade. This could be a fitting solution to the mystery on how luffy and zoro are going to be powered up to face the world government as even morj said, it should take years to forge a black blade. Well, maybe not with shanks. The guy that was worthy enough for mihawk to call an opponent. Surely shanks would know something. The only issue is where does it come in that why shanks doesn't have a black blade. Maybe black blades are tied to your soul and losing an arm disqualifies your ability to make a black blade permanent. That could tie into why Mihawk won't fight him, because its not fair with mihawks sword being perma black and shanks physically can't do it. WE're going to learn a lot about conquerors haki soon, likely all about it, I imagine the voice of all things could give some explanation too. Everything having a breath, a soul. Probably tie into merry having a Klabautermann. Maybe the Klabautermann is born when a group of people with strong wills converge with an object. If trees, rocks and the air have energy/life/soul, then so do normal people (fishman, and all other race alike), maybe its possible for multiple non-conquerors haki to have their energy manifest into a living entity. A Klabautermann. Iceberg said that it's born from a ship that's well cared for. We know that the world of one piece revolves around ships, so it's natural for the well known example is for a Klabautermann to manifest on a ship, that has strong morale, nakama and love. Maybe this extends to swords too and that conquerors haki users can manifest a part of their energy/soul into an entity within the sword, turning it permanently black? damn im high
I think it's interesting zoro specifically said to king: "I'll bite your throat if I have to in order to win" then the fight proceeds to show how Zoro cares about his swords more than the fight. If he bit his opponent, he would drop the Wado Ichimonji. Just a neat thought that will probably lead nowhere.
I count also Killer as a serious opponent for him in Wano, sure both were nerfed to make the fight short but the message of them being quite close was clear.
I hope he keeps sandei kitetsu, since it was a very badass move when he threw it into the air and put his arm out. If anything I hope he gives enma back.
I hope he gives enma back and takes a new blade forged specifically for him by the guy that made kitetsu and calls it kitetsu prime or something or maybe a new name or just takes kitetsu 2
I think it's more complicated than it seems..turning your blades black must be something that maybe is achievable by many but out of those "many" only a few can fully master this ability..Mihawk is definitely a master of black blades and i feel like it will take a lot more for zoro to defeat him than just turning his blades black..although the first time zoro will turn his blades black is going to give an seriously big power up but i don't know if it will happen in his future fight with mihawk
I think that gaining black blades is the pre requisite for their rematch personally. Mihawk said something akin to him being disappointed in zero for grovelling to him for training and I don't believe mihawk would accept a match until zoro has regained his respect ie turning his blades black.
It's my theory/hope/headcannon that a black blade is achieved when you stain your blade with you haki through either prolonged use, or overcoming an appointment with stronger Haki through skill.
It can't be staining your blade with haki. Roger, Oden, Rayleigh, and Shanks have all been using haki on their blades for decades. It's their main fighting style, yet none have black blades.
@@Shark-hn4mv I think Oda put himself in an odd predicament by only having Mihawk and Ryuma with black blades. Even if you were to say something absurd like Roger, Rayleigh, and Shanks not being swordsmen when they obviously are, Oden was a samurai and had Enma(completely mastered, at that) for at least 2 decades.
I feel like if the fight with Mihawk isn't what being out Zoro's true potential, it'll be the fight with Shiryu, the underhanded warden with his newly acquired invisibility fruit. Utilizing all forms of haki in order to defeat an invisible opponent might be the push his blades need to become truly Black Blades, the highest of the high tiers.
On the 0.0001% chance that Mihawk would die from his duel with Zoro (or dies to something else afterwards), I would like if Zoro brought Mihawk's sword to Ippon Matsu as an apology for losing Matsu's family heirloom sword.
Storywise, the fact that he gave up Shusui (a black blade) must be some sort of soft retcon that prepares Zoro to turn all three of his swords black. Had it remained with him, it wouldn't have been possible.
I wished Zoro would leave Enma behind and just get HIS OWN sword. He has been borrowing swords from others throughout the entire story. I think its time that he gets his own sword. Sukiyaki is a wordsmith, I think he can make a new sword for Zoro. Oh, well.
I think when he dies if he keeps all of his swords then they will all be known as the legendary WSS swords. Not odens sword or kuinas sword, zoros swords.
I see what you mean and it would definitely be awesome to see a blade being forged specifically for him, but at the same time it seems like the whole point of infusing a sword with Conqueror's Haki is that this process *makes* the sword his own. He literally conquers the blade and turns it into his. So for example no one would be addressing Enma as Oden's sword after it turns permanently black with Zoro. It'd be Zoro's sword and probably be buried with him just like Ryuma's.
Wado Ichimonji is his sword though. It perfectly represents their rivalry of Kuina and him merging her dream with his. If anything, i do hope that it will be his one main sword in his final fight in achieving his dream
@@userusernomi I see what you mean but I don't see it as that. Oden will forever be part of Enma's history for example. It doesn't matter if Zoro turns it black, the sword already achieved legendary status thanks to Oden. The same with Wado just because of who made it. I would love if Zoro could give a sword a legend of his own.
@@username-ql8ox Still, it belonged to someone before him. I want Zoro to have his own sword, made for him and him only. Like when Hattori Hanzo makes a sword especially for The Bride in Kill Bill.
I think Zoro will defeat Shiryu before Mihawk which might upgrade two of the swords to Enma's grade level. Then he can turn all three BLACK later on like you said at the same time.
To be honest I like the idea of Zoro losing both Sandai Kitetsu and Enma and becoming World Strongest Swordsman with just Wado Ichimonji and 2 nameless Blades that he turns Black. I just feel like the important factor is Zoro and not his blades. It would also parallel the first time they fought and even call back to Mihawk declaring that any blade can become Yoru.
I can't still wrapped my head around that 'Black Blade' could potentially just swords that got coated with haki so many times, the haki 'residue' lingers forever
My predictions : 1.Ace has a child with makino 2.Gian Prince Loki is the final Ancient Weapon to b revealed 3.If Tokis has te power to teleported to future but not backwards, Then someone has the power to go back into the past, but can't return to the future. 4.How can Shanks move soo fast? Is like he is teleporting to the locations which have a significant impact on luffys path to uniting the world for a war against Celestial Dragons ? 5.Final war will be b/w 2 groups. Even Navy & Celestial Dragons will b split into 2 groups. The group which fed up wit celestials like smoker, Garp, Sengoku, Fujitotora will have to rebel in that final war. 6.Omnious signals about the life span of Luffy. 7.Robins mother is alive
9:00 sorry since when has Shodai Kitetsu been confirmed as in the posession of that Elder? Vol.2 of the Road to Laughtale even referred to it as "wielder unknown" and just showed a picture of that weapons' shop guy talking about the cursed blades.
If Zoro does get three black blades, it would also make him the greatest swordsman possible, given how ridiculous it is to fight with more than two swords. And yes, I do remember Hachi (?), but I see the point as being that a ridiculous style like three swords or more will never chosen by a great swordsman - - - except once.
Here is a list of intrigue.... 1.A mention of who could end up with these devil fruits. 2.Vega Punk said its a failure because he doesn't know if it'll reappear upon death. 3.Shanks is leader of SWORD. 4.Kuzan is a revolutionary. 5.Coby and Boa are aligned secretly. -thanks to Sabo and Vivi. Lol 6.RIP Green Bull (I like the theory of him being Zoro's father though) 7.*Big Mom is elderly with Kiado as a homie. Dark, I know. Maybe she can have all her memories or she's crazy from gaining those memories.... 8.Dragon/BlackBeard vs Shanks/Luffy (After Luffy and Dragon defeat Akinu) 🦹🏿♂️🦹🏿♂️🦹🏿♂️🦹🏿♂️🦹🏿♂️🦹🏿♂️🦹🏿♂️🦹🏿♂️🦹🏿♂️🦹🏿♂️
Personally i think Enma will turn black first and seeing it trigger Mihawk to finally acknowledge Zoro as ready to duel him. With the other 2 turning black during or after the battle as the dreams associated with Wado and Kotetsu will be realized then.
For me it also doesn't makes sense for those moments to be separate. I believe that in the fight with Mihawk he will awaken the blades while developing his conquerors haki. That's when he will finally be able to beat him. I can already see the smirk Mihawk will do when that happens hahaha
I don't believe that a swordsman has to have any sort of time with or special connection to a sword to turn it black. I think it's likely that the power is solely within the wielder, to turn any blade they wield black. The only reason that we have so few is because 1) it's so rare to have the ability, and (2) there's no reason for someone capable of turning blades black to make any more of them than they need.
ooooh! or just one or two of them! the others following when Zoro surpases challenges that even Mihawk couldn't do, Like Slicing Diamond or some other thing
To be honest I hope that before Zoro fights Mihawk he would already achieve all 3 styles of black blades. That way when Mihawk vs Zoro finally have their fight they'll would both be considered equals in the ways of the Black Blade just a slight difference of Mihawk having more experience than Zoro. Also, i hope that before the absolute very final World War battle of the story The Strawhat Crew will already be known as the king of the Pirates
The dream of Ippon Matsu thing is convincing enough to me. I think the Sandai gets there. Maybe Zoro goes a step beyond turning a blade black. So much of the series is about surpassing the past. Maybe he turns them all white and they all become Supreme Grade swords. Luffy's strongest form is pure white, other power ups in the series have been associated with the color white, it's just a thought.
The thought did cross my mind too plus zoro hates black things if his opponents are anything to judge by lol jk I don't actually think he's racist lmao
Honestly, since Oda had the whole "good route" for Zoro ending up with a 5 sword style, I can see him getting the nidai and not really "losing" sandai. He can still carry it with him, meaning having 4 swords, but currently only uses 3. Overall though, I don't hate the idea kd only making black blades after Mihawk, but I'd think turning 2 black sooner, with the final last sword being Wado after beating Mihawk would hold greater moments. Zoro could be irritated by turning to blades black but not his longest most trusted sword Wado. And it's only after completing his and Kuina's dream does Wado change as the final completion of the dream. So I'm fine either way personally
People look down on the Sandai but isn't Shusui just a great blade, not a legendary one? Which means it was also just a fine blade too. A blade's quality isn't the deciding factor, rather it's whether or not the blade fulfills a narrative purpose or if a promise/desire connected to the sword is fulfilled. E.g. as much as we wanted Zoro to keep Shusui, surely the sword longed to return to Wano. Yubashiri was a gift that helped Zoro survive up until he was ready for an upgrade (Shusui). That was it's narrative purpose. Similarly, Sandai was a gift that Zoro earned which lead us to this arc's huge moment with Enma. It's purpose (introducing the idea of cursed blades) has been fulfilled, so I can see it being replaced soon. As for Matsu, I'd argue his pride comes from seeing Zoro (someone he acknowledged as a worthy swordsman) achieve great things - not because Zoro is using his swords.
If his blades turn black after defeating Mihawk to become the world's strongest swordsman, then doesn't that mean we never get to see him use a black blade in any difficult fight? That would be so disappointing...
@@MidKnightDetective but this whole premise implies Gorosei Ghandi is a weaker swordsman than Mihawk, otherwise Zoro doesn't become 'World's Strongest Swordsman' by beating him?
@@WhamBamTySam Maybe. But if Zoro fights an Admiral it’ll still be a sword fight. GB and Fuji both have swords and Kizaru can whip out a damn lightsaber. They all have Devil Fruits that would still make them extremely difficult opponents even if their swords/swordsmanship isn’t on par with Zoro.
The way One Piece is going i feel like the duel between Zoro and Mihawk will just be a generic run at each other, slash, and wait to see who got cut, fight ends, credits roll, and then cry into pillow in disappointment.
You make a great argument for when Zorro's three blades will become black, but I disagree on one point. I don't think the lesser quality of san dai kitetsu is a point against it. In fact it makes it an underdog and will heighten its accomplishment when it's used in conjunction w the other two higher-level blades to become black with the final strike against mihawk. It's not the tools but the user's will that makes a truly powerful person which ties all the way back to the theme of the baratie fight.
10:15 We might get a scene where Zoro parallels Zoro. The Celestial Dragon thinking the sword will bring him any victory due to its rank. Zoro only using the supposed weaker version. The blade he wields should be much weaker however he defeats the Gorosei member with ease such as when Zoro was defeated by Mihawk
Okay. So a few points: I don't see how you can highlight the statements made by wano characters on forging a black blade and also ignore old man Shimotsuki's statement on cursed swords and say you dont think the Nidai will come into effect in the story. Imo Zoro is all but guaranteed to be given the Nidai Kitetsu, as that sword was made by a renown blacksmith in the Kitetsu image, its grade even represents that. I personally don't feel that the Sandai Kitetsu curse is not demystified as you say, it was clearly riding on the coattails of its two older, more powerful siblings. There are a LOT of un used plot threads in Wano, but I am certain that the Nidai is the most overlooked by fans: The Kitetsu line are the first real cursed weapons we learn of. We learn that a "curse" is actually the strong will implanted in a sword by a great craftsman, the better the craftsman the more this is noticeable. The Kitetsu line is also, for some reason, the *only* "lineage" of swords we have ever been given in the story. To me, that says these swords are worth keeping an eye on*, I really doubt Oda would have put the special treatment on them if not. I have two theories, one is safe, the other is a lil extra. Theory 1: "Hitetsu" after witnessing Zoro's skill and prowess with Enma entrusts him again with his own ancestor's "cursed" blade, whose bloodlust is far greater than Sandai's, and combining that with Enma's haki vamprism would be deadly for Zoro (in his opinion). I genuinely believe a "black blade is forged through battles" is really about the history of the sword and the skill of the user. Shusui and Yoru may have been with their owners since they could wield a blade, but *all* of Zoro's swords are hand-me-downs that carry someone else's will *except* the Kitetsu swords who still carry a will of bloodlust. I believe turning a blade black is simply the ability to coat a sword, even down to the "voice" of the sword itself, "conquering" its nature and making it change to be more like its user, as if Swords are incredibly dangerous wild animals that need to be broken (training so their will doesnt impact your sword style) then tamed (using ACoC to convert the sword to your side). Theory 2: The "Kitetsu Line" are usually translated as "Demon Splitter." What if this is a pun more than we realize? What if the Shodai Kitetsu was actually "split" into two, separate pieces of metal that was later reforged into the Nidai and later the Sandai? Meaning, Zoro's work and history with the Sandai can still be viable as it's one-half of the greater weapon. This gives Zoro a clear path to having 3 Black Supreme Grade swords EoS, though admittedly one could say bc the Kitetsus are a "lineage" most of Zoro's history with Sandai could act as a SATPrep course for the Nidai, and the same from Nidai to Shodai. My biggest issue is, if Zoro doesn't obtain the Nidai, he has little to no chance of having 3 Supreme grade swords EoS. If i'm not mistaken, the Nidai is a grade below the Supreme grade like Enma, so the upgrade route is clear. IF he does obtain the Nidai, the question is ofc will he then obtain the SHODAI? And I think unless my second theory is true, Zoro will instead fight the user of the Shodai, again as many have said likely Samurai Ghandi, and break that sword, which would be yet another good way to use the pun baked into these swords' naming scheme. Overall my man, love the channel and the video, great ideas here always, I love your analysis it's usually very thorough and we seem to pull information from the same well. Edit: Changed some things, and I sounded more aggressive than I wanted to come across lol.
So a few conqueror users have blades or weapons but dont turn them black , i think to turn a blade black you give up your haki to a blade which only a true swordsman would do because the blade is an extension of themselves
I feel that to obtain a black blade, you need to have your buso haki at the top level. Since buso haki coating is the one that makes your sword black, it has to be top tier to make your sword black permanently. This means that roger, wb, rayleigh, and shanks does not have top tier buso haki since their swords aint black. Many will argue with me but this is my prediction.
Oda answered in an SBS that by the age of 40 Zoro will be a 4-sword style and by the age of 60 he'll be a 5-sword style user so he eventually needs to collect other swords and that's something I always hoped even before the SBS answer
I think zoro is going to lose to mehawk and he’s going to be lost in deciding wether to leave his crew to obtain his full potential or stay with his crew or stay with his crew and help luffy to become the pirate king while possibly sacrificing his lifelong goal of becoming the worlds greatest swordsman this will mirror the start of the series where he was conflicted what goal was more important to him and him loosing to Hawkeye could make him consider it as he is so close to his dream this has been represented throughout the story as him getting lost wherever he goes
Zoro definitely needs to replace Sandai Kitetsu. It's not high enough caliber for "World's Strongest Swordsman". Remember the blade needs to also be strong enough to handle the wielder's haki and I don't think anything lower than 21 Excellent Wazamono class is good enough. Sure Zoro might be able to turn Sandai Kitetsu into a black blade, but that doesn't mean it can jump up to 12 Supreme Wazamono level to clash with other blades of that class. If a sword is at least 21 Excellent Wazamono, the black blade upgrade can take it high enough for a top of the world duel.
Honestly not many of the graded weapons in general have been seen in action or even at all.. like of those 50 that there is stated we haven't seen even 20 of them I think.. or am I just tripping.. hopefully this final arc isn't rushed in any ways and we really do get ALL the answers
I was also thinking about all of his blades being black at the same time because if you can make one of your blade turn black then you should be able to turn other black too, but upon further thinking it may not be that simple. If it were that easy Mihawk could have made more black blades even his butter knife that he used against Zoro. There is probably more to it maybe if you cut enough people the iron in their blood infuses with the iron and oxidizes which should make it brown but when hakis and other things get involved it gets turned to white.
Man I hope his fight with Mihawk gets bloody. Like limbs getting chopped off bloody… Would be interesting if Oda had Mihawk lose an arm just like his old rival Shanks who he talks down on because he also lost an arm.
Tbh in my head cannon Zoro will take on Mihawk after already having black blades instead of turning them black after defeating him. I just think it'll fucking sick for them to cross black blades.
One thing to mention Ipon matsu treasured yubashiri not sandai kitetsu so any carying of wills from that is broken either way he was just inspired by zoro as a swordsman is all. I say this because zoro is under no obligation to stick with it, it's still entirely possible he upgrades to the nidai.
Kitetsu gets plot armour. Turns into a black blade then zoro battles in the final war and turns his blade white. Increases the ranking again but at a detrimental price
My belief is that forging a black blade would be like awakening a devil fruit. A devil fruit is awakened when it's user's body and mind is finally able to harness the true nature of his/her devil fruit, it could be the same for Forging a black blade, probably there is some type of spiritual connection/link/bond between the swordsman and his blade in order to permanently blacken it.. The zoan devil fruit has a mind of its own, just like a cursed blade also has a mind of it's own and it often chooses who wields it.
I also believe that conquerors haki might play a role in this, it's the will of a king I also believe that you can't be the "strongest" or "sit at the top" without possessing the disposition of a king or a conqueror. The only two confirmed people to have a black blade are Ryuma(The sword god) and Mihawk, I believe both these characters are conquerors, Mihawk dueled shanks who is an advanced conquerors haki user. I think a blade can remain permanently black as long as it's wielder instills his own will in it.
What is when zoro saw the grim reaper he went to the zanpakto realm and already turned enma black, or maybe he gets the nidai kitetsu at the end of wano it was heavily foreshadowed and enma isn’t technically his and kind’ve serve zoro as trading his haki , maybe after he finds out green bull is his brother, green vs green ya know what I mean.
MORJ, how hard it will be for Zoro to concentrate his Haki in three different Swords at the same time ro make them black where as all known black blades were only swords of their users. Like ryuma, mihawk, etc.
Kitetsu and wado Ichimonji, yeah. But enma is the will of oden, completely related to wano. I’m not saying zkk or something but idk how odens unfinished will would be achieved in relation to mihawk. Obviously wado is kuina and Zoros will to be WSS, but kitetsu- the sword he got in logue town- was given to him when he tested fate, just as his captain did. Logue town was generally the strawhats “hedging their bets” on this journey and their dreams. Just as enma is oden, and wado is kuina, kitetsu is the will of his crew. So achieving WSS can easily be how it turns black. Update: enma is randomly on the recent Shonen jump cover and there is debate on if it has become a black blade.
only issue with this theory is that zoro was pointed out to be missing the main component of what is considered to be a great swordsman in wano fighting many battles is important but as you said there isnt many coming fights and zoro honestly has already accomplished that aspect i think the main issue is that zoro doesnt listen to his blades will and thats probably because he has never tried zoro has simply dominated his blades we got a huge hint when enma heard hiyori's shamisen wado ichimonji - his deepest personal connection because of kuina means zoro should be able to understand what this blade wants enma - its previous master odin loved his family and country so after it reacted to hiyori zoro should have an idea of what the blade wants sandai kitetsu - zoro's personal sword with no attachment to anyone except himself wado ichimonji will turn black after defeating mihawk (kuina's dream of being the strongest swordswoman) sandai kitetsu will turn black after zoro accomplishes his own goal of being the strongest swordsman thats 2/3 blades turning black after defeating mihawk so your theory is almost there its just enma being the odd one out enma might actually turn black the earliest since i can see zoro fulfilling the blades will before they leave wano if not i dont see any other significant moment than to arbitrarily turn black after beating mihawk.... maybe mihawk teamed up with kaido LOL
I think Enma is going to be his first black blade but it won’t be earned. Just how Enma is. He’ll achieve it yeah but Zoro won’t feel like he did it. Then he’ll get Kitetsu III since technically it’s actually Zoro’s only Sword that chose him rather than given to him. Then when he presents his Black blades to Mihawk that’s when he’ll accept his challenge and during the fight that’s when Wado Ichimonji will turn black.
My theory is a blade will turn black when it achieves its master's grand dream after many battles. So mihawk and ryuma achieved their dream of becoming the world's strongest swordsman hence turning their blade black. This would also be the condition for turning the wado black as that was kuina's dream. Turning Emma black would require opening wano's borders which may happen by the end of the wano arc if Momo changes his mind.
It would be interesting for Zoro to return a black-turned Sandai Kitetsu to Ippon Matsu. He might even get a different blade after that. But keep in mind that the Kitetsu's skip a grade, and if Zoro turns Kitetsu black, then they no longer skip a grade.
7:50 I don't think Zoro will replace the Sandai. It's far too important to him. This was made clear during the King fight where Zoro finally understood the importance of his blades. Aside from this, Sandai functions as a mirror of Zoro.
Sandai was in the bargain bin for cheap despite it being forged by a legendary swordsmith, no one acknowledged it's true value and deemed it a cursed blade despite the fact that, as we find out, swords aren't malicious. Zoro is the only one who recognises it's true value and takes it with him, allowing it to reach new heights.
Zoro is found in the "bargain bin" known as the East Blue. Mihawk mentions that the East Blue is the weakest of the 4 blues. While he is relatively famous, he is regarded as demon despite generally being a good person. Luffy is the only one who recognises his true value and brings him along, allowing him to reach new heights that he wouldn't have been able to reach otherwise.
This probably explains why Sandai chose Zoro in the first place, since they're kindred spirits in a way.
Well said.
My only reason I think zoro leaves sandai is because even if it become a black blade it wont reach supreme grade status which i assume zoro is going to have 3 supreme grade status swords by the end of the series. Only Nidai kitetsu is one rank away from supreme and black blades lvl a sword up a grade.
@@TyRendition Where is it stated that making a black blade only moves it up one grade?
@@user-er1ue6ui8d I can't find the panel rn but im 100% sure it only raises a blade up 1 level which is why oda has zoro with 2 swords behind supreme and 90% sure sandai is getting replaced with a great grade sword
@@TyRendition It's never stated. What's stated by Hitestu is that Zoro's skill will raise its rank. He never says that it can only go up by one rank.
I've always said Zoro is an unwilling conqueror, he's the kind of guy who wont accept a W unless he is 100% sure he earned it. In his fight with King it's out right shown that he limits himself, enma a sword that brings out the best in it's user to the point that if you can't control it your going to die, Kaido acknowledged him as a worthy opponent with C.H but he discredited his own feat against kaido because he thought he could do more, he didn't have a real challenge from when he came back to saobabody and i feel like he purposely limits himself because of his dream, there is no half way or middle with him its either he's the best or he rather dies. Thats what i love about Zoro he dosen't accept anything unless he's assure it'd only make him better. Zoro is a Conqueror but i feel like he didnt truly accepted that until he understood the weight of his swords. I think he'll turn his blades black all at once not one sword at a time because he does it all or nothing
The man protected by plot armour, lol
@@an_orange8911 Yeah he too stubborn to die XD
did zoro even defeat king fr. I read the manga and the last thing i remember was him looking at the grim reaper about to die. These fights were rushed ash fr
@@ryanlucht6625 Yeah he did and i think the grim reaper thing will be touched upon later
@@ryanlucht6625 he definitely won the fight, just was close to death after. Personally don't think the reaper thing was anything more than symbolizing that, but wouldn't be mad if it was.
When my dad beats me with 3 belts (it’s a 3 sword style reference)
Are they black tho?
😂😂😂😂
@@invi022 his father probably yes
@@invi022 All 3 are 😔
@@elcolmillos5247 🤨
Zoro’s about to throw those swords away when he realizes they’ve turned black.
Lmao
🤣
I really can't wait for Zoro vs Mihawk. It's honestly the fight I'm looking forward to most right now.
Definitely the fight I'm most looking forward to as well. Can't believe there are some people who think it's not going to happen lol and they have the audacity to say it's because shiryu will beat mihawk instead 💀
@@kenan-b well speak for yourself. Im excited too to see the fight, but Im much more hyped for Dragon, IMU, Shanks, Luffy and Blackbeard and whoever fights who between these 4.
As these are all above Zoro's path of beating Mihawk. The height of Swordsmanship is not the height of the OnePiece world.
As Mihawk already said regarding Whitebeard alone to Donflamingo: "i want to see the distance between him and us"
And the answer to Luffys qurst of becoming pirateking: "that is a title beyond my own"
This series isnt called ZoroPiece. Zoro is carrying the Itachi disease. Meaning too many overjoyed fanboys who are blind to the ability of Itachi/Zoro and in the cade of Itachi ended up seeing that there were many character far faaaar more powerful than Itachi in the end of the series.
@@Ptolemy336VV you're definitely the social outcast kid who's trying to buy my little pony trading cards instead of playing yu gi oh with the boys.
@@Ptolemy336VV no one asked
It will be mostly offscreen cuz oda can't draw swords fights
I personally believe each blade has its own trigger to make it a black blade. For example, the "Promise" that Zoro made to Kuina to become The strongest swordsman so, Wado Ichimongi will become a black blade when he beats Mihawk.
as for Enma, it must have a different trigger to make it black
same with Kitatsu it is said every user died, so him surviving death (recent reaper) must be Kitatsu doing rather than Enma.
SO I believe each blade becomes black for a different reason.
You just said something actually really interesting! I hadn't seen anyone relate the Reaper to Sandai Kitetsu's curse yet. Seeing that swords seem to almost have a will/consciousness of their own, I wouldn't be surprised if the Reaper was some sort of manifestation from Kitetsu. Maybe that's the beginning of the events that will lead him to turn all 3 swords black, now that we might've seen both Enma's and Kitetsu's wills all in the same fight.
So you need only reasons to turn a blade into blackblade no advance armament haki?
seems very complicated and specific, but i don't mind
Good idea
@@webpaygrowearn8739 not like that, Haki is essential however the potency and skill is not enough to turn the blade black is what I mean.
This also goes In hand with the will of swords, this might be really close
I'm thinking that Enma has taught Zoro what it needed to teach him, and therefore, it could stay in Wano for Momo to inherit his father's 2 sword style, and Zoro will have 2 Kitetsu's and Wado Ichimonji. The maker of those blades are there to personally bestow them on him after all. Of he could make him a brand new blade to turn black from scratch.
I was thinking kitetsu zero 🤔 or kitetsu prime it could be greenbull breaks kitetsu 3
I wouldn’t mind Zoro leaving Enma in Wano
We should all remember that Mihawk said that a broken blade is a disgrace to the swordsman, so I don't think it would make sense for Zoro to lose a sword because that would mean that with all his training, he is still, in a way, a failure because he couldn't keep his blade safe. So I think he will stick with Kitetsu III. On the other hand we don't really know what makes blades gain rank. Tekking brought it up in a recent video and granted it came from magazine which is not a direct quote by Odam but it gave a list of ranked and unranked weapons and Kaido's kanabo was there, but as unranked weapon. A club that is Kaido's weapon of choice, that wistood being wielded by an absolute monster is an unranked blade. The other weird thing is Law's blade that has a name, is a cursed blade and we know that cursed blades are just powerful swords that require certain skills to be used, is an unranked blade. So yeah, I don't see a problem with Zoro wielding Kitetsu III by the end of the series.
He didnt say broken blade. He said something like nicked edge
@@seiryukaidou It was more along the lines of: 'even' a nicked edge. Meaning that anything below great condition for a sword is a disgrace, so a broken one most certainly falls in that category😂
To be honest, The only sword I think really matters to Zoro's development as swordsman is Kitetsu III, all the other swords are either given to him or he received it by some means but only time he really took sword was in that shop where he checked his luck against it. Its not that Zoro received it from someone he got it because sword chose not to cut him. We can say that Kitetsu III chose Zoro.
Well....shopkeep DID give it to him for free rather than making him pay so...lol but in all seriousness i get what you're saying, though even though the others were given to him, they were mostly the results of him impressing by proving his mettle, determination and skill anyway
No. Just no.
I see your point and i kind of get that importance but I think that Wado Ichimonji is best suited to be the first black blade if there even is an order to what blade becomes black first, because he did promise with that blade to become the strongest and survived his first fight with Mihawk with it as well.
Based on the story it would also make a lot of sense for him to either get Wado Ichimonji as his first black blade or he get all three black blades simultaneously
@@sirlagsalot8474 facts
Wado will be the first one to become black blade
I'm ngl. I've always thought he would need to have all 3 blades already black to fight Mihawk and surpass him since Mihawk has the strongest black blade in the series. I do think beating Mihawk is definitely enough of reward for Zoro. I think Mihawk seeing that all 3 of his baldes are black before they fight would make there interaction b4 the fight so much more interesting too
I don’t think mihawk is his final opponent, gorosei swordsman probably is. Maybe 1 black blade for mihawk, 2 for shiryu, 3 for gorosei ?
I think it'll happen midfight vs mihawk. Zoro will find that mihawk's guard is unbreakable, and the only way to beat him is to literally break his guard (his sword) allowing him to land a finishing blow on mihawk. Only way to break mihawk's sword is with all black blades of his own with even more powerful haki imo
I think the sandai kitetsu is likely underrated and having it turn black when the shodai kitetsu is not a black blade will be a significant part of the story. Its the "rookie" of the 3 kitetsu swords and for it to surpass the other graded swords will increase its rank possibly up to supreme, similar to a no-name samurai from the east blue becoming the strongest swordsman
Turning your blade black only increases its rank by one, so it would just be the same quality as Yubashiri when black
@@koga477 where is that stated?
Personally, I believe that for Zoro to gain black blades, he has to master conquerors haki. Without the drain and time limit. There have been a lot of references to "taming" your blade. It is what allowed him to use Enma.
Nah you need something else to gain black blade
Lmao nah
@@hypeman1021 yeah especially since even white beard Roger shanks and Rayleigh don't have black blades
@@alvinip9128 and Judge Top 5
road to laugh tale already confirmed it isnt just haki
The problem with this is that I think it would make much more sense for Zoro to already have a black sword when fighting Mihawk. It could also be an indication for Mihawk that Zoro is deserving to for him to have a serious fight
Agreed
Agree man Zoro gotta atleast have one to fight Mihawk
If Zoro turns all three of his blades black at once, then I think that would establish him as not just the greatest swordsman in the world, but the greatest swordsman to ever live. A title that’s not only fitting for the right hand man of the Pirate King, but also one that would shake the heavens themselves.
Indeed.
Nah would be shitty writing beneath a great like Oda. There already is a prirate king and neither he or his right hand had a Black blade. Would be too much like a shitty fan fiction s8 GoT all over again. He will get one and it will be the wado
EOS Zoro > Roger
@@johnwhick7419 Shitty writing?? What's shitty about it? you just mad and salty because you don't want to see Zoro achieve his goal. Zoro is still a part of the main cast it is no surprise if he able to reach that level what do you mean shitty writing... Roger is mere a legend that Oda used in the story he is not a part of the main cast.
@@johnwhick7419 Oda hasn't been great in a long time. Wake up.
I think the fandom places too much emphasis on sword grades. Mihawk defeated Zoro with a pen knife, definitively proving that it's the user not the sword that matters.
Exactly. At the start of the series Mihawk said that every sword can become the Black Blade.
@@alejandro.rodarte If "any" blade can do it doesnt that mean that Mihawk could eventually come after Zoro with a black pen knife?
That would be the single greatest moment in One Piece history.
Also I really don't like how people want Zoro to simply switch out his swords when he sees one that's "stronger"...obviously he won't swap out Wado Ichomonji for any reason, but he clearly formed a bond with Sandai Kitetsu ever since he iconically gambled his fate against his arm. The Yubashiri was arguably the least important one and even then Zoro was clearly sad for it's loss and he even respectfully buried it.
What I'm saying is a swordsman is expected to have a lot of loyalty for his swords, and I think it's foolish to assume Zoro would just abandon them unless they break...I only accepted him giving away Shusui because I see it as "it didn't belong to him" and he brought it back to his master's grave (despite his remains not being there but whatever)
Agreed. I think turning a blade black is something the swordsman does. It's a reflection of the swordsman's strength. It could be about any blade at all.
You know, that's a good point... Unless we find out that knife is Supreme grade or higher...
Is so misterious and intriguing, the fact that the sword remains black even after the owner dies or just doesnt use it anymore.
Considering that oda presented mihawk and his black blade so early in the series i dont expect this mistery to be that complex, i kind find it to be a more mental idea just like most good concepts in swordmanship. Something around the words of, when you master and give yourself and your blade soul the most close to death experience or you really take the last sweat out of it...the blade just happends to reveal his demon in a more physical way (in color black) forever.
Actually ashura is a big player here, ashura being wado demon "trying to get out" makes sense. But zoro can only feel the higher dimension of blades when he is so close to death or pushed way too much. Once zoro can easily show ashura-wado demon, then the blade will turn black. As for now, zoro can only go to lower levels of demon blades.
I think it has something to do with conquerors haki. The advanced conquerors allows you to attack without making contact to your target. Maybe black blades are a product of imbuing conquerors haki remotely (without contact) and maybe we learn through shanks exposition at elbaf (as he's presumed to be strongest haki user) and explains to luffy how to use it properly and trains him. In this explanation, maybe shanks explains to zoro that he can sense his strong will and say he's a conqueror and also tells him how to permanently black blade.
This could be a fitting solution to the mystery on how luffy and zoro are going to be powered up to face the world government as even morj said, it should take years to forge a black blade. Well, maybe not with shanks. The guy that was worthy enough for mihawk to call an opponent. Surely shanks would know something. The only issue is where does it come in that why shanks doesn't have a black blade. Maybe black blades are tied to your soul and losing an arm disqualifies your ability to make a black blade permanent. That could tie into why Mihawk won't fight him, because its not fair with mihawks sword being perma black and shanks physically can't do it.
WE're going to learn a lot about conquerors haki soon, likely all about it, I imagine the voice of all things could give some explanation too. Everything having a breath, a soul. Probably tie into merry having a Klabautermann. Maybe the Klabautermann is born when a group of people with strong wills converge with an object. If trees, rocks and the air have energy/life/soul, then so do normal people (fishman, and all other race alike), maybe its possible for multiple non-conquerors haki to have their energy manifest into a living entity. A Klabautermann. Iceberg said that it's born from a ship that's well cared for. We know that the world of one piece revolves around ships, so it's natural for the well known example is for a Klabautermann to manifest on a ship, that has strong morale, nakama and love. Maybe this extends to swords too and that conquerors haki users can manifest a part of their energy/soul into an entity within the sword, turning it permanently black?
damn im high
Once you go black you never go back.
I think it's interesting zoro specifically said to king: "I'll bite your throat if I have to in order to win" then the fight proceeds to show how Zoro cares about his swords more than the fight.
If he bit his opponent, he would drop the Wado Ichimonji. Just a neat thought that will probably lead nowhere.
I wish Oda would have included more swordsmen who were going after the same goal as him.
It's Morjin' time!
I count also Killer as a serious opponent for him in Wano, sure both were nerfed to make the fight short but the message of them being quite close was clear.
Fight between two swordsmen is supposed to be very short
Here when the title said "Zoro's Will Turn" instead of "Zoro Will Turn"
Same
Half an hour still going strong
Lol
Zoro the minority hunter with black swords 🤔 LOL jk
I hope he keeps sandei kitetsu, since it was a very badass move when he threw it into the air and put his arm out. If anything I hope he gives enma back.
I hope he gives enma back and takes a new blade forged specifically for him by the guy that made kitetsu and calls it kitetsu prime or something or maybe a new name or just takes kitetsu 2
I think it's more complicated than it seems..turning your blades black must be something that maybe is achievable by many but out of those "many" only a few can fully master this ability..Mihawk is definitely a master of black blades and i feel like it will take a lot more for zoro to defeat him than just turning his blades black..although the first time zoro will turn his blades black is going to give an seriously big power up but i don't know if it will happen in his future fight with mihawk
I think that gaining black blades is the pre requisite for their rematch personally. Mihawk said something akin to him being disappointed in zero for grovelling to him for training and I don't believe mihawk would accept a match until zoro has regained his respect ie turning his blades black.
It's my theory/hope/headcannon that a black blade is achieved when you stain your blade with you haki through either prolonged use, or overcoming an appointment with stronger Haki through skill.
It can't be staining your blade with haki. Roger, Oden, Rayleigh, and Shanks have all been using haki on their blades for decades. It's their main fighting style, yet none have black blades.
@@Shark-hn4mv I think Oda put himself in an odd predicament by only having Mihawk and Ryuma with black blades. Even if you were to say something absurd like Roger, Rayleigh, and Shanks not being swordsmen when they obviously are, Oden was a samurai and had Enma(completely mastered, at that) for at least 2 decades.
@@Shark-hn4mv yes but they're also all super busted so thier fights only last minute
I feel like if the fight with Mihawk isn't what being out Zoro's true potential, it'll be the fight with Shiryu, the underhanded warden with his newly acquired invisibility fruit. Utilizing all forms of haki in order to defeat an invisible opponent might be the push his blades need to become truly Black Blades, the highest of the high tiers.
On the 0.0001% chance that Mihawk would die from his duel with Zoro (or dies to something else afterwards), I would like if Zoro brought Mihawk's sword to Ippon Matsu as an apology for losing Matsu's family heirloom sword.
Morj: Zoro only got one duel against a decently strong opponent.
Killer: ...well, here I go killing again!
I hope we can get some more story analysis from Morj about One Piece or even another series
the nidai kitetsu bait n switch on wano will hurt my soul forever
Storywise, the fact that he gave up Shusui (a black blade) must be some sort of soft retcon that prepares Zoro to turn all three of his swords black. Had it remained with him, it wouldn't have been possible.
Maybe the trigger to turn a blade black is similar to awakening a devil fruit, where you need to align your will (haki) with the will of your sword
Great video morj. Cool music fitting the theme, good pacing of speech, nice structure.
I wished Zoro would leave Enma behind and just get HIS OWN sword. He has been borrowing swords from others throughout the entire story. I think its time that he gets his own sword. Sukiyaki is a wordsmith, I think he can make a new sword for Zoro. Oh, well.
I think when he dies if he keeps all of his swords then they will all be known as the legendary WSS swords. Not odens sword or kuinas sword, zoros swords.
I see what you mean and it would definitely be awesome to see a blade being forged specifically for him, but at the same time it seems like the whole point of infusing a sword with Conqueror's Haki is that this process *makes* the sword his own. He literally conquers the blade and turns it into his. So for example no one would be addressing Enma as Oden's sword after it turns permanently black with Zoro. It'd be Zoro's sword and probably be buried with him just like Ryuma's.
Wado Ichimonji is his sword though. It perfectly represents their rivalry of Kuina and him merging her dream with his.
If anything, i do hope that it will be his one main sword in his final fight in achieving his dream
@@userusernomi I see what you mean but I don't see it as that. Oden will forever be part of Enma's history for example. It doesn't matter if Zoro turns it black, the sword already achieved legendary status thanks to Oden. The same with Wado just because of who made it.
I would love if Zoro could give a sword a legend of his own.
@@username-ql8ox Still, it belonged to someone before him. I want Zoro to have his own sword, made for him and him only.
Like when Hattori Hanzo makes a sword especially for The Bride in Kill Bill.
I think Zoro will defeat Shiryu before Mihawk which might upgrade two of the swords to Enma's grade level. Then he can turn all three BLACK later on like you said at the same time.
To be honest I like the idea of Zoro losing both Sandai Kitetsu and Enma and becoming World Strongest Swordsman with just Wado Ichimonji and 2 nameless Blades that he turns Black.
I just feel like the important factor is Zoro and not his blades. It would also parallel the first time they fought and even call back to Mihawk declaring that any blade can become Yoru.
No.
@@orhanozkan7358 why not?
@@vangismail1580 Because thats the dumbest idea ever.
I can't still wrapped my head around that 'Black Blade' could potentially just swords that got coated with haki so many times, the haki 'residue' lingers forever
"Before the series ends"
Oda: "This is the end of backstory"
I'm always looking forward to his videos they are the highlights of my week
Makes sense. Considering Luffy only got CoC and became Yonko tier DURING his fight with Kaido.
My predictions :
1.Ace has a child with makino
2.Gian Prince Loki is the final Ancient Weapon to b revealed
3.If Tokis has te power to teleported to future but not backwards,
Then someone has the power to go back into the past, but can't return to the future.
4.How can Shanks move soo fast? Is like he is teleporting to the locations which have a significant impact on luffys path to uniting the world for a war against Celestial Dragons ?
5.Final war will be b/w 2 groups.
Even Navy & Celestial Dragons will b split into 2 groups.
The group which fed up wit celestials like smoker, Garp, Sengoku, Fujitotora will have to rebel in that final war.
6.Omnious signals about the life span of Luffy.
7.Robins mother is alive
9:00 sorry since when has Shodai Kitetsu been confirmed as in the posession of that Elder? Vol.2 of the Road to Laughtale even referred to it as "wielder unknown" and just showed a picture of that weapons' shop guy talking about the cursed blades.
If Zoro does get three black blades, it would also make him the greatest swordsman possible, given how ridiculous it is to fight with more than two swords.
And yes, I do remember Hachi (?), but I see the point as being that a ridiculous style like three swords or more will never chosen by a great swordsman - - - except once.
It’s Morjin’ time!
Here is a list of intrigue....
1.A mention of who could end up with these devil fruits.
2.Vega Punk said its a failure because he doesn't know if it'll reappear upon death.
3.Shanks is leader of SWORD.
4.Kuzan is a revolutionary.
5.Coby and Boa are aligned secretly.
-thanks to Sabo and Vivi. Lol
6.RIP Green Bull (I like the theory of him being Zoro's father though)
7.*Big Mom is elderly with Kiado as a homie.
Dark, I know. Maybe she can have all her memories or she's crazy from gaining those memories....
8.Dragon/BlackBeard vs Shanks/Luffy
(After Luffy and Dragon defeat Akinu)
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Personally i think Enma will turn black first and seeing it trigger Mihawk to finally acknowledge Zoro as ready to duel him. With the other 2 turning black during or after the battle as the dreams associated with Wado and Kotetsu will be realized then.
Wonder if dead man's game was a foreshadowing of Zoro and the reaper. The playing chess with death is a popular trope, like bill and Ted
For me it also doesn't makes sense for those moments to be separate. I believe that in the fight with Mihawk he will awaken the blades while developing his conquerors haki. That's when he will finally be able to beat him. I can already see the smirk Mihawk will do when that happens hahaha
I don't believe that a swordsman has to have any sort of time with or special connection to a sword to turn it black. I think it's likely that the power is solely within the wielder, to turn any blade they wield black. The only reason that we have so few is because 1) it's so rare to have the ability, and (2) there's no reason for someone capable of turning blades black to make any more of them than they need.
ooooh! or just one or two of them! the others following when Zoro surpases challenges that even Mihawk couldn't do, Like Slicing Diamond or some other thing
To be honest I hope that before Zoro fights Mihawk he would already achieve all 3 styles of black blades. That way when Mihawk vs Zoro finally have their fight they'll would both be considered equals in the ways of the Black Blade just a slight difference of Mihawk having more experience than Zoro. Also, i hope that before the absolute very final World War battle of the story The Strawhat Crew will already be known as the king of the Pirates
Why couldn't Roger turn Ace black? I think black blades are forged by fulfilling the will of the blades!
The dream of Ippon Matsu thing is convincing enough to me. I think the Sandai gets there. Maybe Zoro goes a step beyond turning a blade black. So much of the series is about surpassing the past. Maybe he turns them all white and they all become Supreme Grade swords. Luffy's strongest form is pure white, other power ups in the series have been associated with the color white, it's just a thought.
head canon level: dbz
The thought did cross my mind too plus zoro hates black things if his opponents are anything to judge by lol jk I don't actually think he's racist lmao
the trophy that comes with the title World Strongest Swordsman is THAT Knife
Honestly, since Oda had the whole "good route" for Zoro ending up with a 5 sword style, I can see him getting the nidai and not really "losing" sandai.
He can still carry it with him, meaning having 4 swords, but currently only uses 3.
Overall though, I don't hate the idea kd only making black blades after Mihawk, but I'd think turning 2 black sooner, with the final last sword being Wado after beating Mihawk would hold greater moments.
Zoro could be irritated by turning to blades black but not his longest most trusted sword Wado. And it's only after completing his and Kuina's dream does Wado change as the final completion of the dream.
So I'm fine either way personally
I like the Wado part, would be beautiful
Now THIS is a theory.. none of that raid fail bullshit
Want to be as dedicated to something as much as Morj is to never having to cook a meal again in his life
People look down on the Sandai but isn't Shusui just a great blade, not a legendary one? Which means it was also just a fine blade too. A blade's quality isn't the deciding factor, rather it's whether or not the blade fulfills a narrative purpose or if a promise/desire connected to the sword is fulfilled. E.g. as much as we wanted Zoro to keep Shusui, surely the sword longed to return to Wano. Yubashiri was a gift that helped Zoro survive up until he was ready for an upgrade (Shusui). That was it's narrative purpose.
Similarly, Sandai was a gift that Zoro earned which lead us to this arc's huge moment with Enma. It's purpose (introducing the idea of cursed blades) has been fulfilled, so I can see it being replaced soon. As for Matsu, I'd argue his pride comes from seeing Zoro (someone he acknowledged as a worthy swordsman) achieve great things - not because Zoro is using his swords.
If his blades turn black after defeating Mihawk to become the world's strongest swordsman, then doesn't that mean we never get to see him use a black blade in any difficult fight? That would be so disappointing...
He could go into the final war with all three black blades against an Admiral and Gandhi Gorosei.
Mihawk probably isn’t gonna be Zoro’s last fight.
@@MidKnightDetective but this whole premise implies Gorosei Ghandi is a weaker swordsman than Mihawk, otherwise Zoro doesn't become 'World's Strongest Swordsman' by beating him?
@@grizzlyadams8277 so we never get to see him use black blades in any difficult *sword fight. Sorry, I should've clarified.
@@WhamBamTySam Maybe. But if Zoro fights an Admiral it’ll still be a sword fight. GB and Fuji both have swords and Kizaru can whip out a damn lightsaber. They all have Devil Fruits that would still make them extremely difficult opponents even if their swords/swordsmanship isn’t on par with Zoro.
I wish they'd make a marineford movie in post timeskip style. "Episode of Marineford".
Morj using the Zoro algorithm boost.
The way One Piece is going i feel like the duel between Zoro and Mihawk will just be a generic run at each other, slash, and wait to see who got cut, fight ends, credits roll, and then cry into pillow in disappointment.
Where did he get the information? Shodai Kitetsu being in Gorosei's possession? @9:07
What if Zoro's final sword is all Kitetsu blades reforged into one? That would be pretty epic.
You make a great argument for when Zorro's three blades will become black, but I disagree on one point. I don't think the lesser quality of san dai kitetsu is a point against it. In fact it makes it an underdog and will heighten its accomplishment when it's used in conjunction w the other two higher-level blades to become black with the final strike against mihawk. It's not the tools but the user's will that makes a truly powerful person which ties all the way back to the theme of the baratie fight.
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We might get a scene where Zoro parallels Zoro. The Celestial Dragon thinking the sword will bring him any victory due to its rank. Zoro only using the supposed weaker version. The blade he wields should be much weaker however he defeats the Gorosei member with ease such as when Zoro was defeated by Mihawk
Okay. So a few points: I don't see how you can highlight the statements made by wano characters on forging a black blade and also ignore old man Shimotsuki's statement on cursed swords and say you dont think the Nidai will come into effect in the story.
Imo Zoro is all but guaranteed to be given the Nidai Kitetsu, as that sword was made by a renown blacksmith in the Kitetsu image, its grade even represents that. I personally don't feel that the Sandai Kitetsu curse is not demystified as you say, it was clearly riding on the coattails of its two older, more powerful siblings.
There are a LOT of un used plot threads in Wano, but I am certain that the Nidai is the most overlooked by fans:
The Kitetsu line are the first real cursed weapons we learn of. We learn that a "curse" is actually the strong will implanted in a sword by a great craftsman, the better the craftsman the more this is noticeable. The Kitetsu line is also, for some reason, the *only* "lineage" of swords we have ever been given in the story. To me, that says these swords are worth keeping an eye on*, I really doubt Oda would have put the special treatment on them if not.
I have two theories, one is safe, the other is a lil extra.
Theory 1: "Hitetsu" after witnessing Zoro's skill and prowess with Enma entrusts him again with his own ancestor's "cursed" blade, whose bloodlust is far greater than Sandai's, and combining that with Enma's haki vamprism would be deadly for Zoro (in his opinion). I genuinely believe a "black blade is forged through battles" is really about the history of the sword and the skill of the user.
Shusui and Yoru may have been with their owners since they could wield a blade, but *all* of Zoro's swords are hand-me-downs that carry someone else's will *except* the Kitetsu swords who still carry a will of bloodlust. I believe turning a blade black is simply the ability to coat a sword, even down to the "voice" of the sword itself, "conquering" its nature and making it change to be more like its user, as if Swords are incredibly dangerous wild animals that need to be broken (training so their will doesnt impact your sword style) then tamed (using ACoC to convert the sword to your side).
Theory 2: The "Kitetsu Line" are usually translated as "Demon Splitter." What if this is a pun more than we realize? What if the Shodai Kitetsu was actually "split" into two, separate pieces of metal that was later reforged into the Nidai and later the Sandai? Meaning, Zoro's work and history with the Sandai can still be viable as it's one-half of the greater weapon. This gives Zoro a clear path to having 3 Black Supreme Grade swords EoS, though admittedly one could say bc the Kitetsus are a "lineage" most of Zoro's history with Sandai could act as a SATPrep course for the Nidai, and the same from Nidai to Shodai.
My biggest issue is, if Zoro doesn't obtain the Nidai, he has little to no chance of having 3 Supreme grade swords EoS. If i'm not mistaken, the Nidai is a grade below the Supreme grade like Enma, so the upgrade route is clear.
IF he does obtain the Nidai, the question is ofc will he then obtain the SHODAI? And I think unless my second theory is true, Zoro will instead fight the user of the Shodai, again as many have said likely Samurai Ghandi, and break that sword, which would be yet another good way to use the pun baked into these swords' naming scheme.
Overall my man, love the channel and the video, great ideas here always, I love your analysis it's usually very thorough and we seem to pull information from the same well.
Edit: Changed some things, and I sounded more aggressive than I wanted to come across lol.
Morj got tired of cooking Hello Fresh
damn morj really switched up on sponsors like that
So a few conqueror users have blades or weapons but dont turn them black , i think to turn a blade black you give up your haki to a blade which only a true swordsman would do because the blade is an extension of themselves
I feel that to obtain a black blade, you need to have your buso haki at the top level. Since buso haki coating is the one that makes your sword black, it has to be top tier to make your sword black permanently. This means that roger, wb, rayleigh, and shanks does not have top tier buso haki since their swords aint black. Many will argue with me but this is my prediction.
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Oda answered in an SBS that by the age of 40 Zoro will be a 4-sword style and by the age of 60 he'll be a 5-sword style user so he eventually needs to collect other swords and that's something I always hoped even before the SBS answer
I think zoro is going to lose to mehawk and he’s going to be lost in deciding wether to leave his crew to obtain his full potential or stay with his crew or stay with his crew and help luffy to become the pirate king while possibly sacrificing his lifelong goal of becoming the worlds greatest swordsman this will mirror the start of the series where he was conflicted what goal was more important to him and him loosing to Hawkeye could make him consider it as he is so close to his dream this has been represented throughout the story as him getting lost wherever he goes
Zoro definitely needs to replace Sandai Kitetsu. It's not high enough caliber for "World's Strongest Swordsman". Remember the blade needs to also be strong enough to handle the wielder's haki and I don't think anything lower than 21 Excellent Wazamono class is good enough.
Sure Zoro might be able to turn Sandai Kitetsu into a black blade, but that doesn't mean it can jump up to 12 Supreme Wazamono level to clash with other blades of that class. If a sword is at least 21 Excellent Wazamono, the black blade upgrade can take it high enough for a top of the world duel.
Honestly not many of the graded weapons in general have been seen in action or even at all.. like of those 50 that there is stated we haven't seen even 20 of them I think.. or am I just tripping.. hopefully this final arc isn't rushed in any ways and we really do get ALL the answers
I think the shopkeeper gave zoro in loguetown was yubashiri as a passing of his dreams
I was also thinking about all of his blades being black at the same time because if you can make one of your blade turn black then you should be able to turn other black too, but upon further thinking it may not be that simple. If it were that easy Mihawk could have made more black blades even his butter knife that he used against Zoro. There is probably more to it maybe if you cut enough people the iron in their blood infuses with the iron and oxidizes which should make it brown but when hakis and other things get involved it gets turned to white.
But Oda confirmed in road to laughtale volume 2 that both roger’s sword and white beard‘a naginata were also black blades
Man I hope his fight with Mihawk gets bloody. Like limbs getting chopped off bloody… Would be interesting if Oda had Mihawk lose an arm just like his old rival Shanks who he talks down on because he also lost an arm.
Tbh in my head cannon Zoro will take on Mihawk after already having black blades instead of turning them black after defeating him. I just think it'll fucking sick for them to cross black blades.
One thing to mention Ipon matsu treasured yubashiri not sandai kitetsu so any carying of wills from that is broken either way he was just inspired by zoro as a swordsman is all. I say this because zoro is under no obligation to stick with it, it's still entirely possible he upgrades to the nidai.
Kitetsu gets plot armour. Turns into a black blade then zoro battles in the final war and turns his blade white. Increases the ranking again but at a detrimental price
Zoro is a fucking amateur taking this long to turn his weapon. Usopp already turned Kauto black.
My belief is that forging a black blade would be like awakening a devil fruit. A devil fruit is awakened when it's user's body and mind is finally able to harness the true nature of his/her devil fruit, it could be the same for Forging a black blade, probably there is some type of spiritual connection/link/bond between the swordsman and his blade in order to permanently blacken it.. The zoan devil fruit has a mind of its own, just like a cursed blade also has a mind of it's own and it often chooses who wields it.
I also believe that conquerors haki might play a role in this, it's the will of a king I also believe that you can't be the "strongest" or "sit at the top" without possessing the disposition of a king or a conqueror. The only two confirmed people to have a black blade are Ryuma(The sword god) and Mihawk, I believe both these characters are conquerors, Mihawk dueled shanks who is an advanced conquerors haki user. I think a blade can remain permanently black as long as it's wielder instills his own will in it.
What is when zoro saw the grim reaper he went to the zanpakto realm and already turned enma black, or maybe he gets the nidai kitetsu at the end of wano it was heavily foreshadowed and enma isn’t technically his and kind’ve serve zoro as trading his haki , maybe after he finds out green bull is his brother, green vs green ya know what I mean.
Why DOESNT Ippon Matsu’s dream matter??? A man’s dream NEVER dies.
MORJ, how hard it will be for Zoro to concentrate his Haki in three different Swords at the same time ro make them black where as all known black blades were only swords of their users. Like ryuma, mihawk, etc.
In dramatic fashion Zoro actually turns is swords white and Oda finally confirms that Zoro is indeed a racist
I think it would be cool if when Zoro turns Sandai Kitetsu black, it bumps up multiple grades
I love how when i hear your voice i hear the raid will fail
Did I miss something? What about Shuusui - Zombie Ryuma's sword from Thriller Bark? Did that vanish somewhere?
Kitetsu and wado Ichimonji, yeah. But enma is the will of oden, completely related to wano. I’m not saying zkk or something but idk how odens unfinished will would be achieved in relation to mihawk. Obviously wado is kuina and Zoros will to be WSS, but kitetsu- the sword he got in logue town- was given to him when he tested fate, just as his captain did. Logue town was generally the strawhats “hedging their bets” on this journey and their dreams. Just as enma is oden, and wado is kuina, kitetsu is the will of his crew. So achieving WSS can easily be how it turns black.
Update: enma is randomly on the recent Shonen jump cover and there is debate on if it has become a black blade.
"I'll become the greatest swordsman and the heavens will know my name."
Heaven -> Gods -> Celestial Dragons
Gandhi Gorosei vs Zoro
only issue with this theory is that zoro was pointed out to be missing the main component of what is considered to be a great swordsman in wano
fighting many battles is important but as you said there isnt many coming fights and zoro honestly has already accomplished that aspect
i think the main issue is that zoro doesnt listen to his blades will and thats probably because he has never tried
zoro has simply dominated his blades
we got a huge hint when enma heard hiyori's shamisen
wado ichimonji - his deepest personal connection because of kuina means zoro should be able to understand what this blade wants
enma - its previous master odin loved his family and country so after it reacted to hiyori zoro should have an idea of what the blade wants
sandai kitetsu - zoro's personal sword with no attachment to anyone except himself
wado ichimonji will turn black after defeating mihawk (kuina's dream of being the strongest swordswoman)
sandai kitetsu will turn black after zoro accomplishes his own goal of being the strongest swordsman
thats 2/3 blades turning black after defeating mihawk so your theory is almost there its just enma being the odd one out
enma might actually turn black the earliest since i can see zoro fulfilling the blades will before they leave wano
if not i dont see any other significant moment than to arbitrarily turn black after beating mihawk....
maybe mihawk teamed up with kaido LOL
I think Enma is going to be his first black blade but it won’t be earned. Just how Enma is. He’ll achieve it yeah but Zoro won’t feel like he did it. Then he’ll get Kitetsu III since technically it’s actually Zoro’s only Sword that chose him rather than given to him. Then when he presents his Black blades to Mihawk that’s when he’ll accept his challenge and during the fight that’s when Wado Ichimonji will turn black.
My theory is a blade will turn black when it achieves its master's grand dream after many battles. So mihawk and ryuma achieved their dream of becoming the world's strongest swordsman hence turning their blade black. This would also be the condition for turning the wado black as that was kuina's dream. Turning Emma black would require opening wano's borders which may happen by the end of the wano arc if Momo changes his mind.
It would be interesting for Zoro to return a black-turned Sandai Kitetsu to Ippon Matsu. He might even get a different blade after that. But keep in mind that the Kitetsu's skip a grade, and if Zoro turns Kitetsu black, then they no longer skip a grade.
If Zoro doesn't have AT LEAST one black blade before his fight with Mihawk, I will be severely disappointed.