We can't fight him directly as a tenno. Even mentally he wears us down and makes it so that we have to deal with the whole time has no meaning in the void paradox. It's similar to the warp.
And kill immortal super soldiers called liches. And fight the infested a virus that would make the flood from halo envy. And make the tyranid run in terror of, as they arent even a match for one single spore. They also take down Edilions, those things are beyond warframes in strength, and are literal invulnerable. Except for the void, which 40K have nothing to tab into it with
Skipping over the tactics of the Tenno is crazy. They were trained by the Dax, guards and warriors of the Orokin, in the Old War and adopted the strategys of Ordan Karris, a mercenary with a killcount of 20 trillion people in a normal human lifespan. The Tenno specialise in hit and run attacks, but are also competent with other tactics (as shown by the variety of missions). The fact that Tenno only group up in four man squads is only a restriction in gameplay. In the Trial missions there were eight player teams and in lore its likely that even bigger groups get deployed together.
I also love how he just completely ignored the fact that the Tenno can control time and reality so basically if they were about to lose, they would just reset the clock and try a different tactic and keep trying until they get them even if they stood a chance at all
@@vonbezumiye8470 I was reading another comment thread and he tried saying he had 3k hours in it lol, if that’s true he definitely shouldn’t be giving any win to 40k
@ I saw that too for real dude doesn’t know shit. I liked his video on the infection. But this one he’s so wrong. Golden boys from Warhammer got nothing on the tunnel. Pete sake some Tenno In my opinion probably could take on the emperor or the chaos gods.
I think you're discounting a lot of reality bending abilities that warframes have. The custodes may be the at the peak of physical capabilities, and that's just that. Physical, limited by what physics allow. None of them are psykers who could counter what warframes could pull up. Limbo could pop his pocket dimension on them, stop time, and they're effectively target dummies. Hell toss in revenant, and they get locked in place by just attempting to cause damage, and then turn on their allies. Nyx will cause their formations to shatter by removing their ability to tell friends from foe. Saryn will make nurgle proud with the amount of spores that could be caused to spread. You mention that they have the reaction speed, but just because you can react to something, doesn't mean you're able to do anything about it. Their might is limited by the laws of physics, warframes break physics by just breathing. I'd say they may have a counter for that, but custodes can be neither blanks nor psykers Any ballistic weaponry can be countered by mag's abilities to say no. Why stop there? One of the tenno focus schools vanishes the weapons of their enemies into non-existence all the while tenno can be intangible at will. The corpus employ shields that protect them from harm just as they do, yet they both have limits, and can be broken with enough effort. The only way the custodes would win is if they were given a name
i think he said they were exposed to psychics to the point they are immune so i don't think they'd turn on their fellow custodes. But yeah how do you come back from a pocket dimension. Also doesn't nova do atomic disintegration or something? they're prob used to that. We haven't even cracked the nutshell that is eternalism either.
warframe is also peak physical strengh too since the techno virus basically upgrade there human biology structure. Anyways what people forget these soldiers is more then perfect super soldiers they able to fight any kind of battlefield shock troopers, small quoter combat, guerilla warfare, genocide, sky combat, underwater combat even in deep pressure, vacuum space combat with no suit, solo ship combat with no suit. There arkwing is so versial it should be included. we can't forget to include the nekomech to hit things harder
I think some of the warframes would be useless here but some straight up have fate manipulation, rhino hits the ground so hard it disrupts time, limbo trapped armies of people in the rift which is a parallel universe, protea controlling time on a solar system scale. I don’t see them beating that
You don't have to see wqarframe from the game prospective but from lore, they can easyly cut in half ultra augmented human with think ass armor with a slesh of a sword
@@aldeonuwu2634 true, lore accurate warframes like Mag prime not only not a single bullet will get hit to her but she even destroyed a fucking big shit just by raising her arm and the entire ship was torn in pieces, this said by crew members to be with her in same ship, SHE WAS IN ANOTHER SHIP DOING THAT 💀
@@goofyAh69420 dax soldiers where fking terrorized by her, she can litterally magnetize bone so no matter how powerfull u are, u are fucked, worframe are demigod
My one complaint is about the age difference. The teno only look like children, Because they no longer age. It's the reason the Queen's wanted our body for continuity is because we are immortal, we cannot die, and we do not age. We fought in the old war, and we are still alive over a millennia later. So we've had just as long as them to hone our own fighting skills, and have the major advantage of being seperate from the frames. They can take down a frame, we might lose the first battle. But they can die, unlike us, who will keep coming back. Also, wisp. Wisp's 4th canonically is a portal to the sun that she opens up to fire a solar flare at you
I'd like to disagree on two specific points: 1. Reaction time is the time it takes from noticing an event over making a decision to beginning to move, it does not account for the actual movement itself. There's a good chance a Custodes would be experiencing their own death in slow motion without having the actual speed to do anything about it. Kind of how Mayuri in Bleach kills Szayelaporro. 2. It's the tenno body that is a child and sleeping. Don't forget that during the Old War, they were dreaming. They had all the training and tactics that the Dax have ingrained into their mind, who are themselves supersoldiers that can take out entire batallions singlehandedly. Given dreams dont work at a 1:1 time rate and the Orokin Empire is old as hell itself, it's not impossible for the warframes in action to have a similar level of tactics and experience as the Custodes. Bonus point: Time doesn't make you scale up linearly. Training cannot increase your strength or reaction time to beyond what is your limit. Really, outside of absolute beginners time shouldn't be accounted for unless we are dealing with something that actually evolves with age like a True Dragon in Dungeons and Dragons.
First off I love the bleach reference. The only problem is that there is proof of the Space Marines dodging laser beam and Custodes are supposedly much faster. As for the training custodes and mankind are shown to have nearly infinite bs potential. Logically speaking you are correct training does not mean more power but in this universe it definitely does.
@PenOfEvil spacemarines dodging laser beams makes no sense in canon, if they could dodge laser beams, how the fuck are boltors still useful in spacemarine combat?
@@PenOfEvil Considering warframes baseline can deflect any projectile if they as much as hold melee weapon, that would put them at same implied reaction time if not higher.
Little known fact: Mods and shields ARE INDEED cannon to the Warframe universe. Meaning shieldgating technically could be a tactic. Unless the Imperium can find a way to fully disintegrate a Warframe in one hit, bypassing shields and the invulneribility the shield gates give, they can't even kill the "worst" frames.
“Atlas punching an asteroid is the strongest feat we have to date” no, no it is not. Rhino can LITERALLY stomp the ground so hard that time pauses momentarily.
honestly stomps so hard time breaks should blow Atlas' lore feat out of existence. but nope, all we get is oh atlas has rock powers so thats why he was able to do this at all.
Not to mention Atlas disintegrating an asteroid is in one punch. One very precise punch, AFTER beating the shit out of the cult inhabiting it. And the asteroid was big enough to host basically the entire Telamon cult, though had only a fraction on board still... And Atlas shattered it to space dust. Not just breaking it, *shattered to dust.* Atlas's feat is NOTHING to scoff at by leaps and miles.
A custodes is not beating a Revenant with a Sporelancer. Just straight up immune to all harm for half a minute mininum with zero downtime to refresh, bouncing around like an eldar on crack and launching exploding stars that remove directions. And no, they're reaction time is not lightspeed and they can't move even a fraction that fast.
depends on the interaction of a neural shredder and the transference link. odd you talk up bullt jump as mobility but downplay the Custodes when bullet jumps are pretty slow; certainly not not faster than a bolt shell nor a laz cannon and amassed fire will remove those charges pretty fast when each hits; then explodes. consider. you are saying the Custodes with increased reaction times and augmented bodies to support the use of them... are less reactive than a common human controlling a warframe in conclave... you do know warframe has pvp? and that we have to get to 50 to win? odd how we hit our marks on the impossible target of.... a slow floating human-sized body... yea... bullet jumps are not what you claim.
@@ShishouDzukiZaManako we are saying the Custodes with increased reaction times and augmented bodies to support the use of them IS less reactive than a warframe that can block multiple laser beams with a sword. Yes we are.
@@tamop ignoring what i said... how very foreseeable. human brain in a superhuman body... you like so many other WF players can't even control it... frames have the opposite issue of custodes mind-body interaction. which is bad; at least the Custodes can react at hightened speeds... the frames have your human reactions.
@@ShishouDzukiZaManako in your logic, Custodes in this video hits with his spear even slower than a trained sportsman irl does, so assuming a Custodes is somehow "fast" is laughable.
@@tamop idk how youcame to that conclusion... since i literally said they had superhuman bodies to match the mind.... you are laughably bad at this; are you a leftist perhaps?
If Anti-Matter Drop and Molecular Prime worked as they should in real life, Nova could probably solo the entire universe. Just press 4 to convert everything into pure energy, watch the fireworks and call it a day.
@@lurking_zmbi There is a reason warframe teams are just 4...its because 4 its already overkill for almost everything The amount of synergies between mods,weapons and warframes abilities are crazy
Guys it's a reference to that time someone wrote about the space elf clowns destroying them during the War of the Beast The ones who were like "We come in peace!" after having just massacred a lot of golden bois
This right here There's no way friggin way a custodes could move fast enough to touch Gauss or Volt. They might see them coming but actually moving that fast? Nope.
@@animelytical8354 there 58 Warframes only 2 can move that fast, they cannot move at the speed of light, but with a reaction speed that fast they can aim where you are going to be. It'll be like seeing him slow motion. Similar to what happens when superman fights flash.
@@PenOfEvilthat’s a good take, but you have not considered that maybe, just maybe this could be compleatly useless agaist 1/3 of the warframes, since some are compleatly invunerable, others have such high regeneration capabilities to be considered imortal and others are plain out invisible.
A single tenno was able to hold back an unimaginably powerful god on par with, or even more powerful than, the chaos gods and the god emperor, for thousands of years and barely got tired. When comparing endurance, there is no contest. Any tenno is capable of operating the revenant, or joining a group with one. Mods are canon in the warframe universe, as are all Warframes and their abilities (source: Ordis talks about our mods, Varzia mentions the prime Warframes as real from her time) so we can know that any squad facing such powerful foes as the custodes are bound to have a revenant equipped with Mesmer shield, granting all Warframes under their care with permanent invulnerability, alongside a basic rolling guard mod. Basic cooperation makes the tenno forces unkillable. Even without the case of the revenant, any operator engaging in the vazarin school of focus is capable of engaging a shield overdrive on any allies they empower with the void, giving them invulnerability for a time (source: protective sling focus ability) Even the strongest and most adept of the custodes can die, and therefore the tenno remain uncontested in defensive capabilities. The Mag Warframe is awoken at the beginning of the game and is easily accessible if you do not choose it. Her fourth ability magnetizes the bones of her foes, crushing them with little effort. The Limbo Warframe is easy to access, and has a simple ability to remove any particularly threatening foe from the fight for any select period of time, or to remove a grievously wounded ally from the line of fire. As the custodes hold no such manipulative capabilities, the tenno hold dominion over any form of control on the battlefield. The drifter spent the past thousand years in an unending death arena of their own creation. To say the tenno don't understand tactics and strategy is simply to ignore the reality of the situation. The tenno know how to fail, and how to avoid downfall. The custodes have never tasted failure, and therefore have never had to learn to succeed. This places the tenno above the custodes in adaptability. The tenno are capable of modifying weapons against any foe. The custodes have heavy armor, yes, but what happens when a Saryn launches a shot from her Hek, stripping that armor instantly and leaving a very expensive pile of goo and melted flesh on the battlefield? (Corrosive damage and corrosive proc archon shards) The best the custodes can hope for is to break an invulnerability gate (once again, kill revenant somehow) and destroy a Warframe, in addition to being able to prevent the tenno's allies from entering an invulnerable attunement to the void and reviving their ally in moments (the devs have confirmed that revives are canon). The tenno hold more firepower than the custodes. The tenno have an infinite source of new warframes (the foundry is real, and can craft infinite things at once, potentially crafting all 98 frames in 3 1/2 days (28 frames per day) and can always instantly retreat to their cloaked orbiter at any point, leaving the operator unkillable as they throw a new frame at the invaders once per hour. In a war of attrition, the custodes stand no chance. Many tenno have perfected their offensive and defensive capabilities against even the strongest of foes in the origin system. The tenno are capable of damaging voidform sentients, such as the eidolons on earth. The custodes have no offensive capabilities against such foes, as the eidolons are impervious to even the strongest of custodes attacks. The tenno have adapted to this frontier, the custodes have no ability to do so. The tenno have much more endurance, defense, battlefield control, adaptability, firepower, and outperform in the long term. The custodes stand no chance.
Just also another note to add here, before you can even wish to kill a warframe you have to kill it 6 7 times because of arcanes also being able to boost power and add more versatility to the team. On top of that whenever a warframe is down the have a set amount of time to be revived by teamates and tenno can still avoid all damage and crowd control by just crouching to get the revive and just immediately jump back into the fight without even risking going out of void form. They also dont just die from lethal damage and instead teleport back to safety. Then also just to add an extra bonus, the warframes have overguard and shield gating as a final resort when it comes to surviving. Mix that in with a squad of 4 warframes having the ability to study and prepare themselves with everything above as a passive, then a 4 man squad becomes more effective than an army of thousands. (Side note. If you look into lore and how many enemies you have to kill to get to levelcap even then you can say that every warframe has the ability to take down armies alone without dying even once, and then we are talking of the infested for example who dont really care what you use to kill it and will just adapt.) Also octavia would just make it a meme.
@@Scythe1516og To add to this, it's also important to consider that some Tenno are masters of more than one Focus school; this is important because certain schools (unairu) can effectively allow the warframe or warframes to be immortal given the Tenno can self revive the warframes. So even in the event that you DOWN a warframe, a warframe can return to life within 15 seconds without the need to use a revive - of which there can be up to 8 at a time in the Vazarin school, plus the additional revives granted by some maxed arcanes giving potentially 10 revives PER WARFRAME, not accounting for the theoretically infinite self-revive capability that the Tenno itself can pull off.
I'm sorry but there are no scenario the adeptus custodes win against the tenno. they may succeed in being difficult targets, but what you have to understand is that fundamentally this fight is incredibly lopsided ESPECIALLY lore wise. See, the difference being that Custodes are at the end of the day the perfect human. Warframes however, are tide turning weapons of mass destruction capable of warping reality itself and not to a small degree.
Lorewise when parvos granum was being hunted by a group of 8 warframes, he , a shrewd businessman responded by nuking his base with a very high yield bomb. That's about your best option tactically, just wait for them to show up and nuke the place and HOPE they cant pull some bullshit out of their ass to parry the damn thing, which Limbo can just straight up do. You can kill a warframe but the tenno just gets back up, and frankly you can kill them and they do too. but a custodes is a rare, precious, almost irreplaceable artifact
In lore mag controls metal on an atomic scale even alien metals. All custodies have metal armor and bones. Even if they didn’t she can just turn your bones into metal and call it a day
@@PenOfEvil should mention ability description states that mag magnetised bones. She does not turn bones into metal, she can just magnetised normally non-magnetic materials.
I mean, I agree to an extent, if it was a sudden inexpected brawl, the custodes has a fair shot and maybe even an advantage based on who they end up against. Though if each side knew at least what caliibur of enemy they were going up agains, the warframes win hands down imo I mean you can be as fast or well armoured as you like, but when Jade can trn your armour into paper and slow your movements to a crawl with a dissaproving mom glare while holding a cannon built to punch holes in space craft, you are pretty cooked
Tenno tend to act as hired gun at times , and given that the Tenno are humans who originate from Earth ( alternative version ) , I could imagine Emperium of Man hiring Tenno for War efforts.
Keep in mind: one point of damage in Warframe is nominally equivalent to 44 PSI of force. That said, have fun with particle rifles the deal Mac Cannon damage.
It was somewhere on the forums. I'm walking around for more info, but I think the calculation was based on the Braton as a baseline. Ran the calculation myself on the lex and found that it would be nominally 4.5* more powerful than a .45 ACP, which is what it seems to be emulating, imo. Then again, I could also see it being action express, or an analog thereof. Edit: By my calculations, the closest thing I can get to the lex is .500 Smith & Wesson, which is what the Bone Collector fires. One could argue it's super advanced space technology, but this is getting ridiculous. Nonetheless, I was more or less able to match the Bratton to the muzzle energy of 45 acp. So, there's that.
An alt timeline AK-47 was added to the game recently in preparation four our jaunt back in time to 1999, and someone used that as a baseline for a damage calc. The AX-52 does 40 damage unmodified. A real 7.62x39 cartridge delivers roughly 1,500 ft-lbs of energy to the target at 100 yds, or 2,100 joules. 2,100/40=52.5 joules, or 38.7 ft-lbs. My current build for the AX-52 does 715 damage, with a 65% chance of multiplying that by 5.3 if it crits. That’s 37,535.5 joules, or 27,686.2 ft-lbs, with a chance of being 198,948.75 joules, or 146,737 ft-lbs. It’s not too hard to hit over a million damage in Warframe. Keep in mind, our basic enemies (Grineer Lancer) are wearing about a ton of armor, and we regularly rag doll them and pin them to walls.
DE has stated that canonically, all Warframes can use any and all abilities of each other. That's what the Helminth system is showing a portion of, just limited in-game for balance reasons. Lavos has the capability to use Redline, Nyx could use Immolate, Qorvex can travel into the Rift, etc, just as effectively as the progenitor of the ability. Keep that in mind when you say that all the Warframes were designed for specific functions; what it means is that the Warframe of each type inspired new techniques and applications of power for all the others.
Ballas tuned the Helminth to give each frame its own abilities. By feeding, we can convince the Helminth to re-tune our personal copies to use something different.
14:31 I agree with your statement about the Tenno being rusty. I mean that's the entire point of the quest you wake up and don't remember anything. However, you clearly overlooking that fact that mastery rank is Actually extremely important to get a grasp or gauge on how skilled or powerful a Tenno is. A Tenno can only rise in rank if they master a certain number of frames, weapons, and other things yet that alone is not enough to rank up, it's only enough to get the Lotus to offer you he chances to rank up. You first have to prove you have mastery over a certain Tenno art or skill before the Lotus allows you to rank up such as stealth or hacking. The Point of the mastery test both functions as a gameplay and story way of showing how much your Tenno have grown or how much they are starting to remember since they've been awakened, so after like mastery rank 5 or higher I wouldn't call the Tenno rusty because they're clearly starting to remember how uses stealth, their weapons, ect. However, I strongly disagree with you dismissing the Tenno's battlefield tactician abilities simply because they're children or appear so. This is like saying Naruto and Killua can't fight or plan ahead because they are kids. Yes, the Lotus or other mission control individual helps with Tactician by giving hints, but if it wasn't clear by now the Tenno biggest strength is their adaptability. They can easily use any weapon, frames, gear and make it work, and the Tenno constantly adapt to their enemies and uses their strengths and the enemy's weakness to control the battlefield, not just their abilities. The Custodes might be intellectually superior, but that doesn't make them more adaptable, not only are they not forced into as many situations where they have to instantly adapt or face threats they literally never faced before (Been fighting the same enemies for like 20-30k+ years), they literally refuse to adapt to face the enemy, greatest example is the imperium refusing to use Gauss weapons despite the fact they are clearly stronger and more advance or any other xeno weapon or tech for that matter. Hell, they've been using nearly the same weapon without upgrading them for God knows how long. The Tenno are able to adapt when facing Eximus units and nullifiers and even when the Tenno face new threats, they almost immediately find a way to deal with it such as the infested, necramechs, the murmur, and most notable the Sentients. Multiple factions have invented specifically anti-Tenno tech or units, and they still struggle to win against lone Tenno's due to their adaptability and mid-battle tactical mind, not just might because if abilities or weapons alone were the problem then we wouldn't be able to beat Kuva Liches or Sisters, especially if they are backed by eximus units. Literally every threat the Tenno face gets more strange, unpredictable, and abstract such as Void Angels or the Fragmented One yet the Tenno still are able to adapt to the challenge as if they've been fighting them for years. Didn't mean to rant.
I really like when some characters are called "genius", like Superman or Custodes in their lore. It is always a placeholder. It brings nothing to the table. At best no actual difference between a "genius" and a professional in any given situation, at worst they boringly fall for a well thought out plan made by usual humans.
You know, they'd fight for a good while, then the technocyte and tyranids would form some sort of super hybrid race, then shit would hit the fan like no other
Isn't the Tenno reaction time like relativistic-lightspeed? I don't understand or see why you gave speed (reaction speed or general) to the Custode when the Tenno can block and dodge lasers, photon beams, electricity/lightning, and shots from light energy cannons, examples being the flux rifle, Glaxion, Amprex, and Opticor, all weapons used against them by different corpus enemies that they can block with any melee weapon. Too add, the Tenno can dodge lighting spawned by Hydrolyst and the lightning made by a netracell keyglyphs and even though in gameplay it shows you where it's spawning using a big circle on the ground, I doubt lore wise the Tenno get the luxury of such and just have to rely on instants and reflexes. Then there's the fact the Tenno perform task on giant kilometers commercial or dreadnought long ships within minutes, literally running across mile long ships completing complex task in under 10 minutes only to rinse and repeat. This isn't even considering complications like enemies or traps. None of the speed feats even go to specific Warframes or Tenno and this is just a general Tenno/Warframe capability, let alone Warframe that have speed buffing abilities. Just because the Tenno SPRINT speed isn't faster doesn't make them slower because they clearly have a faster reaction speed, and the Tenno parkour velocity combine with their agility and mastery of acrobatics makes them capable of being much faster.
As a fan of both series, it's hard to take some of the exploits of Custodes at face value. Some of their feats are physically impossible with even a rough approximation of a human lifeform. Just the time it would take an electrical impulse to travel the distance from your eye to your brain to your arm would take longer than that claimed reaction time. They would need to have a nervous system that was based on enirely different physical systems than electrical impulses to have that kind of reaction time.
They can still fight with half of their brain out, I'm pretty sure that their body isn't """Normal""" anymore. If they're close to the Primarch, their organs are not even recognisable.
This right here. A big part of warhammer lore is also what was wrote down by others. Ofcourse Big E's personal bodygaurds are going to be absolutely nuts, but they arent stronger than a primarch. Every time something like that comes up I compare it with a primarch. When even Jagathai cant break the sound barrier with his speed, I doubt any custodian can.
I absolutely agree, yet I think this is a problem of fantasy in general: It does not comply with the laws of reality. Like, why are the custodes-abilities less credible than warframe-abilities? Why is there separate electric and magnetic damage in warframe? In reality, you cannot have one without the other. Anyway, comparing different fantasy universes to each other is always fun, but a bit futile. When I thought about the topic years ago, corrosive projection was still a thing aka. 4 cp = full armor-strip. To me that meant that just by spawning in the warhammer universe, 4 warframes equiped with corrosive projection would simply disintegrate every single other factions armors instantly. Now, if that sounds more logically convincing than the custodes... Aaaaaand I am not sure I want to see custodes without armor.
@@johannalvarsson9299 "why are the custodes-abilities less credible than warframe-abilities" this is because of the source of the info. Reality is we actually know very little actual truth from the warhammer universe, in terms of numbers etc. Almost everything is written down by someone who heard it from someone else or recorded by someone who thinks if you stick your arm up far their rears far enough you will touch big E himself. A good example is how record keepers on Terra mark Custodian missions as "successful" even before they left to go complete the mission. Info from the warhammer universe is unreliable at best (especially when it concerns the imperium). Are the custodians strong af? Yes. Can they lift 300+ tons? doubt it. A boeing 747 weights around 300tons. Google what that looks like and realise that a custodes is 3-5 feet taller than a human. Now here is the thing; if you search for it, no where is it ever stated they can lift 300 tons. Im gonna be honest here, I had this MASSIVE tangent typed out comparing a custodian lifting 300 tons to ANGRON struggling to pick up 200 tons of warhound titan (i know they weigh 400ish, but it had one leg on the floor so its weight was AT LEAST 50/50 and that he was weakened beforehand) till I realised why that 300 tons kept annoying me SO goddamn hard. Turns out @Pen Of Evil did an oopsie with his math. 324000 Pounds is NOT 324 tons. Its 162 tons, which makes it much more believable because the average custodian is NOT stronger than fucking ANGRON and everyone can lift FAR heavier weight than they are capable of gripping or punching but 300 was just too goddamn much. BTW 300 tons is a boeing 747.
you forgot that most of warframes game mechanics are canon in universe, like modding , the revives , codex , the orbiter , the tenno very much are as good as the player is in the game , in turns of how they learn or master stuff , mastery rank kinda indicate there's skill or potential of there suff ,
Forgot a very important one: the Foundry. Because the Foundry is also canon, it's entirely possible to mass produce Warframes. Since Dojos are already canon (Source: Codex), we can also assume that Clans are canon, and that the members of each Clan are also canon. There are insanely high numbers of Warframes available to fight at all times, even when they only tend to form small squads.
@@Tyme_Whyrlwynd the real defense is that they can hide in their cloaked orbiter (yes that is why the Galleons don't just shoot you); and attack via a proxy army of specters and frames. with the late-game ass-pull of the void which auto-wins if we include the multiverse.
Custodes are absurdly powerful, but it would take a small army of them to keep up with one squad of any given frames. Just by sheer endurance: tenno simply DON'T tire. They don't stop. In canon they don't run out of power. Operators can keep going indefinitely, too. Speed: any average frame can easily move faster than the eye can see, and has reflexes that border on lightspeed. Versatility: the environ adaptability of every frame is pretty much waltzing through anything the custodes has trained through. Tactics: keep in mind the tenno aren't 'just' children. They spent millenia in a hyperdream with combat training and strategy being pumped directly into their subconscious. Tenno ARE warframes in that sense. Strength: the average warframe can rip citadels apart easily. Buildings so strong they held STARS inside them. A custodes isn't out muscling a frame. You've majorly lowballed the frames.
I'm gonna have to disagree with the operators can keep going indefinitely. An operator is essentially a living infinite battery of void energy. Yet going off Tyl Regor quote: "Getting tired tenno? Getting sleepy? Well I can go all day and night long." Essentially they'll never get physically tired, yet they do get sleepy and would take a break to take a nap.
@@gold_chi4446i mean that can just be interpreted as banter really, he seems to be taunting us. That isn’t an indication of if Tenno really sleep or not lol
@williamashrafzadeh3701 well they do after new war if you play just the normal and not steel path, that is just the tenno dreaming of the past, or at least, I think that's what lotus said, so they do dream..... of they're job in the past.
@@gold_chi4446 Eh, Tyl Regor is pretty egomaniacal despite barely being a speedbump of a boss within the lore of Warframe. As I recall, the greater issue Tyl Regor represented was his work as a scientist reversing the genetic degeneration of the Grineer.
Theres a duality to a warframe if any frame dies well then you half to deal with a teno an immortal being able to disintegrate a grinner whos wearing armor heavier than a space marines in an instant and theres no dodging void energy when it can manipulate the fabric of time, reality and matter itself
One thing you should keep in mind is that until Robute came back the setting 99.9% of Custode stayed on Terra and only the Black Cells Wardens went off planet to bring things back for their cells. Yes they had the chaos gate under Terra to monitor and their Blood Games but no long term combat exposure.
Warframes all the day and that's coming from someone who has Custodian army (gold is my fav color to paint) Hells I would call Operator mini Star Child because how OP they are lorewise
all you need is just a banshee, she can silence any ability in a wide range, expose weakpoints, and make any weapon silent, the custodes just won't see/hear what hit them. Also, warframes can use the nukor, a weapon that literally causes cancer in real time and make it explode, just to name one weapon.
Should also state; the Old War, and the fall of the Orokin, are two different things. The first was when the frames were debuted and shown off for what they could do, the second was what they were truly capable of. To put it into perspective, if you transplanted the Orokin into Warhammer, and gave them even a fraction of the Imperium's resource pool, the Orokin win Warhammer. Full stop. They had tech that would make NECRONS jealous, and had unlocked multiple forms of straight up immortality. There are only a few thousand frames. All-in-all probably less frames than the custodes. It took them A DAY to lay low the Orokin empire. And I don't mean wreck it and terrify the survivors. I mean the entirety of the Orokin AS A SPECIES went from 'is' to 'was' in a day. An entire race of technogods, poof. You have DRASTICALLY undersold the warframes' capacity for sheer domination. The custodes would be cooked. In some cases literally.
See normally I'd agree if every instance of Warframes power wasn't assumed. People literally assume that rhino can stop time because of a game mechanic and that just doesn't make sense nor is that stated anywhere. The adeptus custodes winning even though it's not by too much makes sense. As people assume once a Warframe does something they can do it on Superman's level and that just isn't true.
@@PenOfEvil Aye i found your channel by accident, pretty cool stuff. The thing with Rhinos stomp is that it isn't just mere assumptions, it's more so a logical conclusion with what we are given. The guy is the heaviest frame in the game as stated by devs, so by proxy. His abilities should reflect that. And it does. This logically would mean that his force stomp contained enough force to create a black hole effect. Mass so dense in an area it warps space time. Also the "disrupt thing" it's a broad term. and what he is disrupting is time. By stopping enemies mid air and every debri with them It isn't that far fetched, since every ability in game is a nerfed version of what it actually is. It has been stated in multiple leverians, in trailers and Ballas admissions. If that sounds flimsy and 1 time things. We have 2 cases of warframes genuinely showing off that what we got is the nerfed version. Kullervo and Koumei. Kullervo was jumping on walls throwing fan knives, creating clones that fly mid air and throw Daggers and swords that explode, he also has a burst out attack of shooting lasers out of every wound he has. And he spams those abilities non stop same with koumei literally doing right now. And koumei actively showing that the in game version is practically nothing compared to what she does. Aka full fate manipulation, future sight and even matter generation out of that possibility of a future. If were arguing all of that is game mechanics. Then me doing 4 billion damage should 1 shot a good chunk of fictional universes. Damage that can be done casually by banshee. If those 2 recent ones aren't enough to convince that the ones used in game are nerfed as hell. Protea casually rewinding time in the quest should be there too. And all she does in game is be engineer with tracer rewind. There was also limbo who was casually just jumping planet to planet and we know that isn't 1 time thing as his story shows. He was doing it so much he had confidence in his own math to not be wrong. And what was in game was more than what he let on. Dimensional manipulation on levels that wouldn't be enough to jump planets casually. and from earth to mars is anywhere from 33.9 million miles (54.6 million km) to 250 million miles (401 million km). Mars and earth were 3 of his pieces was located. As everything in game points to. They can spam that and the only reason they dont is because they seem to be the only ones in warframe with insane amounts of empathy and forgiveness. And the fact that every faction has a gun pointed at a colony the tenno is trying to protect. Edit: ive seen people being wonky with Atlas feats, while the unreliable narrator is kinda sorta there. What he did is still there. A petrified head of one of the cultists was found in the edges of the solar system. The lowest of the low if we measure the distance from Veil proxima to earth is 2,000 astronomical units. and estimations say it's 100,000 units at high ends from the sun. As the the dustign thing, i find it hard to believe that a 3rd party would lie about that since they would have experience severe damages if even a chunk of the meteor was left. The orokin would lie about it if it did damages but they weren't the source.
Why bother with the comparison? Tenno are immortal. Literally. They respawn. And they can respawn their warframes. Even if the Custodes could match the warframes (they can't) they tenno would win through attrition.
Small scale, custodes would win. But a war, honestly it's much closer, but there would 100% be a Warframe built at some point to defeat custodes, likely focusing on crowd control to separate the custodes and heavy damage to get through that perfect golden armor.
We have to throw in everything warframes have just as added benefits to make it fair. Small scale or not the still have revives, operaters that can avoid all forms of harm to revive other warframes, things like shield gating and overguard coupled with invulnerability, 7 revives with arcanes, weapons and abilities that can ignore armor and do damage directly to health and emense crowd control on most if not all warframes. Granted not every warframe can do the same amount of damage or crowd control or move as fast as others but they can share their buffs and strength and they have access to an arsenal that can still destroy heavily armored ships with one shot or swing from most weapons. I mean if you look at someone like valkyr, not all her abilities really feel like they work together in the game but still she can go into a bloodlust frenzy mode where she doest take damage at all and then procede to do damage that bypasses armor completely. And seeing as they work in squads the valkyr can rely on supports like trinity that also has abilities that can strip armor and redirect damage back to foes all while not being restricted in her combat capabilities. Overall no matter how strong of a soldier you have, if you get reduced to having no armor and you weapons dont do anything you can only resort to melee combat with your body itself, all while your body is being broken down by some type of damage you can clear fast enough to make a difference with how fast it can be applied.
With Mag's control over metal I'll give the custodes time until they enter the range of her 4'th. Beyond that... Aoi gets some new material for her cards. 😉
This is a super fun clash. I would’ve never thought to pin these two powerhouses against each other. I only just started getting into warhammer lore and it’s actually amazing! But we can’t really compete. Like you said there are thousands of pages of lore for warhammer. Warframes story in itself is over a decade of developer and community ideas built on top of each other. The developers don’t know what direction to take it until the day they start creating it. I don’t know who’ll win but I’m ride or die team warframe!
Banshee, Octavia, Frost, Mag. Banshee: Uses Silence to nullify all abilities of the Custodes and dampen their fighting capabilities. Octavia: Grants invisibility to the entire team, as well as buffing damage. Mag: Fries any electronics that the Custodes uses to even further disable their fighting capabilities. Frost: Permanently freezes the Custodes in place until they die. The only Warframe I can think of that would barely do anything to the Custodes is Nyx given that she uses psychic abilities which the Custodes are immune to.
regarding Nyx I would say kinda, since two abilities she has doesn't rely on mind control, psychic bolts debuffs enemy armor to the point of making them be naked and her absorb can both make her the most tankier and higher damage frame if used right, but yeah, even the one with the least options to deal with a custode could wipe their asses, and that squad combo you made could also slaughter them with little issue.
if we include the sisters of silence we get to see who has the higher range on their null; im guessing banshee. main issue is the naval assets. which the custodes have exceptional ones and the orbiter is perma-invis.... so yea.... that'll be an eventful whatever tf as the railjack gets auto-withdrawn repeatedly and the Custodes can't find the mobile invisible pod that it keeps rearming at.
Well current nyx, yeah, when update nyx comes out, not at all, passive being 200% crit chance. Psychic bolts bouncing of others and stealing armor so no longer just Psychic. Absorve not just taking damaged aimed at her but all damage around her then blast it? Perfect, they're fucked!
Also current nyx could win if there's more enemies then just Custodes. A basic solder? Now stronger then a Custode with a single mind control. It's just not really that useful in high rank warframe because the enemies weapons are meant to aim at the tenno so it's not usually scale for millions of damage because the tenno don't have millions of health. While the steel path enemies having thousands to hundreds of thousands? That's why mind control gives a boost to scale for the enemies we usually fight, the enemies health like the greenier, made to actually kill them.
cool vid and imma sub cause i liked some of the editing, if you're gonna use lore accurate custodes and try and scale their feats to real life then you gotta do the same for the tenno and their frames and some of them get crazy
@@omega..7 Thanks for the sub! I scaled the Atlas feat directly but the biggest problem I think is that Warframes have powerful concepts but no proof of going any further than what is needed. Custodes fight things that imagine themselves stronger and it happens. Warframes just don't do that.
@@PenOfEvil atlas destroyed an asteroid that was going to kill all life on earth in 1 punch, nekros raises the dead to fight for him and makes them stronger, limbo has control over an entirely separate dimension, protea created a pocket dimension where time didn't seem to pass in the middle of the void, nova just has anti matter, and chroma is stated to be the strongest frame as he killed every single one sent to hunt him.
@@PenOfEvil also i love the orks they are da boiz but a lot of their feats and abilities have been memed up by the community and then taken seriously by people coming in, myself included and a lot of this was done accidentally by weshammer as he talks about in a video, the strongest ork rn ghazghkull and the strongest ever were kroks but they haven't shown up since the war in heaven but there was the demi kroks after the horus heresy that were killed eventually. I love da boiz an der big blastas but sadly they don't actually turn into a tank by chanting loud enough : [
You have not taken into consideration that, unlike novels spoken from perspectives, ability descriptions and codex entries are quite factual. And before we play the perspective game, we do have unreliable narrators just like warhammer 40K, in the leverian and synthesis entries. But codex and ability descriptions have no interpretations. Rhino DOES stop time with a stomp on command, mag DOES have the ability to induce magnetic properties into non magnetic materials like bones. Its part of their ability descriptions. Not from the perspective of an individual in the setting. What's my proof that anything in-game is lore accurate? How about the fact that the game will screw with the menus during story sequences or maybe how umbra literally dragged the operator out of the camera in-game. The requirement to re-login during the new war quest after being hurled into the void. Btw costodes got murked by thunder wartiors and eldar harlequins. Edit: just to add on here. I do not believe atlas destroyed an asteroid as described and key features were probably omitted as this was a story in the leverian. It also came from sources other than drusus leverian himself based on his comments regarding the acquisition of artifacts. So the leverian story would not hold up due to hearsay.
Disrupt time does not mean stop time. Other than that I don't disagree with you. I disagree when these powers are inflated to the point of absurdity with no proof. I used math to determine the custodes powers, everything was meant to be logical and unbiased. I've just talked to several people who think the Warframes can blow up planets and that just isn't true.
{Edit: just to add on here. I do not believe atlas destroyed an asteroid as described and key features were probably omitted as this was a story in the leverian. It also came from sources other than drusus leverian himself based on his comments regarding the acquisition of artifacts. So the leverian story would not hold up due to hearsay.} This i disagree with due to this statement "For years, historians felt this 'Tale of Telamon' quite improbable, an artifact of Orokin propaganda-myth. Then, on our system's outer edge, we found a debris field of small rocks and dust in a lazy elliptical orbit. Upon these rocks, we find the remains of peculiar stone statuary. The petrified figures, clearly Temple members, have been frozen into a tableau of struggle and death. Or was it, perhaps, a dance? This remarkable find forces us to rethink the entire tale as fact." it shows that it was not believed in universe until proof of it was found, so to call it hearsay is wrong
@@datboy1628 I believe the asteroid was destroyed not that it was done so in the whole one punch way. Also drusus is a historian looking to inspire others in his line of study. While he found the asteroid pieces and frozen temple members. He was not there when it all went down. As I said he was recounting a story told to him. Key features and moments that actually occured is unknown. I would like to know how someone survived on that asteroid given apparently atlas was observed feeling the ground and making his strike. Atlas would not have said anything about it, so who tf survived long enough to observe that and somehow escape?
@thwartgorgon6063 @thwartgorgon6063 I didn't say it was done in a one punch way but to completely disregard it is just silly because it is heavily implied that Atlas was the one that destroyed it based on in-universe evidence plus it wasn't just him that found it as he said 'we' So you would have to provide in-universe evidence or a very strong evidence to claim that it could have been anything else And I don't understand your second point, the people who Atlas saved and the Orokin would have wrote it down plus are you forgetting that this happened during the height of the Orokin empire? Are you going to tell me that they wouldn't have had a telescope or something to monitor Atlas?
@thwartgorgon6063 I didn't say it was done in a one punch way but to completely disregard it is just silly because it is heavily implied that Atlas was the one that destroyed it based on in-universe evidence plus it wasn't just him that found it as he said 'we' So you would have to provide in-universe evidence or a very strong evidence to claim that it could have been anything else And I don't understand your second point, the people who Atlas saved and the Orokin would have wrote it down plus are you forgetting that this happened during the height of the Orokin empire? Are you going to tell me that they wouldn't have had a telescope or something to monitor Atlas?
I think either of the 2 can win from the other depending on your interpretation. We know a tenno can survive being shot into an asteroid base at about 1000 meters/second without suffering any damage to themselves, the archwing or their weapons. If you can survive that, there really is not much else you can try to throw at them to kill the tenno. At the same time, they can (in game) die from being hit with an electric stick a couple of times. Also, so many of the frames can manipulate something either in or around the custodes to completely nullify their hope of survival, the most notable being limbo's rift. But all the other frames have significant abilities as well. Now there will probably be some who's abilities won't do much against a custodes, like ash or garuda, but that just leaves them with an arsenal of everything-desintegrating weapons, AND we also know tenno are actually extremely capable warriors. We know from the sacrifice quest frames retain almost no will of their own, at the same time voruna canonically murdered an entire group of orokin performing a continuity ritual. We know lavos, for all intends and purposes, survived the jade light and slaughtered almost everyone there, which includes some of the most elite orokin in existence. Specifically voruna's feat, who we know usually always protected the orokin, must mean the tenno were already controlling the frame and so we can reasonable assume most tenno have serieus fighting experience in both the orokin era and the current era. Also, mag could just kinda crush them before they had a chance to do anything so or, I doubt they could survive the sun with wisp or be stuck underwater indefinitely by yareli or be stuck underwater indefinitely by hydroid or get out of grendel or survive a facial of antimatter thanks to nova or be stuck in limbo's pocket dimension or have their fates turned by koumei or be turned by an infection that could eat the tyranids for breakfast by nidus
Wow, just WOW. Custodes are friking beast almost beyond logic, but dwarfing Warframe like that make me wonder how long did you play the game. Any Warframe can cut bullet mid air and Excalibur has canonicaly light speed reaction time (But I don't make the same mistake as you did to think that reaction = speed, I can see a formula 1 coming at me but can I dodge it ?). And thinking that only Atlas is an heavy hitters in the game is wrong (Rhino is toughter the more you hit him, same for Chroma). We're talking about being capable of INVINCIBILITY frame trought the action of the Void, and if you launch and let fall a Custodes from an orbit, I don't know how he will finish but this will be nothing for a Warframe. And Tenno are Energy being and can't die. And Warframe don't fight thing stronger than them ? Just the Infestation. That's a threat far worse than the Nids wich is already nightmare stuff. I think that you are a little bit too one sided in your conclusion.
@@PenOfEvil I think they're referring to the death battle calculation during the Excalibur vs Raiden fight, but I don't think that was a light beam, but a Void beam. Either way the Tenno can block and dodge lasers, photon beams, lightning /electricity light energy cannons (E.g. Flux Rifle, Glaxion, Amprex, Opticor, ect) and can dodge lightning from the Hydrolyst and the Netracell Conductive Keyglyph so they should be at least relativistic to lightspeed in reaction and reflexes and maybe even parkour speed/velocity.
You either know nothing of warframe or are incredibly biased. "React at speed of light" is the source for this info reliable? (it IS the wh universe afterall) and, even if it is, i have never heard of a single custodian able to move at that speed. No primarch and not even the emperor can, so they will basically just be able to see the guy move at them and nothing else. Warframes have a shitload of battle xp, they fought the infested and the Orokin (which made daot humans look pitiful in return). The only way warhammer wins is through attrition and a few assassins managing to find the actual tenno and kill them before they can do anything. Warframe powerscale is nuts, its just in a much smaller setting.
Everyone is biased, I undoubtedly love Warframe more than Warhammer so I had to check myself while making this video. Check out the rest of my channel. Remove the game mechanics and truly analyze the lore and then you'll most likely come to a similar conclusion. My verdict is not to serve as the "end all be all" that wasn't its intention. As for sources trust me I could've made this video 2 hours long but you, nor most of any else would have sat here for 2 hours 😂
@@PenOfEvil ye, after typing i saw another of your vids on recommended. In scale and with proper preperation, a group of custodians might be able to take out lone Warframes. Best way I think it could go is like that one Astartes video where those 2 psyckers (obviously stronger than average marine) get their shit wrecked because of numbers. Now imagine that except those two were WILDLY stronger and capable of crazy stuff. In terms of raw physical strength, a custodian would be able to overpower the frames that werent designed to deal with physical prowess but if that frame manages to use its powers *at all* that custodian is royally screwed (When they come across actual physical frames, like Rhino, they are done). Friendly reminder that rhino can stomp the ground with so much physical force that he literally stops/slows time in an area around him. No void trickery, no warp magic, pure strength. The power scaling in warframe is DESIGNED to win on almost any 1 v many scale. The ONE time that they will lose, is an ambush against crazy high numbers who end the fight as fast as possible and know exactly what they are going up against. Also, warframe tech > warhammer tech by FAR.
@@lekrieg8618 then in that case I agree but I still think that Custodes win against almost half of the frames as a large amount of them are useless in lore and sometimes in gameplay. The scaling in Warframe is sporadic and uneven. Some Warframes are superheroes others are just normal super soldiers.
@@PenOfEvil oh before i forget, thats literally just the frame. Not their weapons. Who could forget the Synoid Simulor, a gun that fires.. *singularities* or the Glaxion... a gun that HALTS MOLECULAR VIBRATIONS; IE: anything the beam touches gets frozen to absolute 0. Good luck dealing with that. Then there is also the Redneck Microwave but we dont talk about that one.
Seeee I don't consider gameplay because of invincibility mechanics and what not, because what does that mean. Like would you say a Warframe can fight superman? No. So it's a bit redundant. If you can tell me what exactly can that "invincibility" tank then we can have a debate.
@PenOfEvil ye ik, and i know almost nothing about the warhammer franchise. And i just said it as a funny fact, how it's good to base power levels on lore and not on gameplay. If we were to base it on gameplay we would have to consider the bugs too , ye thats not happening.
First would probably be M̴ ̸A̵ ̶R̸ ̸A̶ ̴L̵O̸H̸K̴?̷?̴?̷?̷?̵?̴?̵ Then the chaos gods would be consumed. Sorry to say, but Wally is just way beyond what any of the big 4 are capable of. Ya know the Deep Warp theories? Yeah that's Wally. The chaos gods tether to concepts we can at least wrap our minds around, and they gain strength through that. The Man in the Wall doesn't do that. It doesn't need to. It's called the Indifference because it doesn't really need our universe to exist.
@@PenOfEvilwe don't know the full extent of his power save for the fact he can collapse someone's multiple realities into just 2 and give one of those 2 immortality. And wally is the void given thought after Albrecht would be the first thing there, so he is literally a sentient dimension.
It's absolutely confirmed that Albrecht went back in time 10,000 years. He did so at the hieght of the Old War before the fall of the Orokin. This places Warframe 'roughly' smack dab in the early years of the 'Dark age of Technology' 13th-15th millennium. Lore accurate Warframes, particularly the crazier ones, would mop the floor with an Astartes. Also warframes are hollow, and when opened their insides evaporate into the void. Lore accurate Tenno Operators are as strong as psykers can get, and thanks to their faucian bargain with the void, all versions of the tenno were made as one with the void, all their timelines, realities, and alternate universes collapsed into a single superpositioned being that's essentially a perpetual. Behind each Warframe is a Tenno about as powerful as Malcador. Big difference is numbers and tactics. Tenno are literally ghosts (in that they're Ninjas, and only a few of them), and still are on a lore level. Universe vs universe, Warframe is a single star system, unable to use the Void/Warp for travel, the Imperium would mop up the place quick.
The actual scale of power is vastly different though. All the Orokin would need is resources, and suddenly they win. The whole start of the old war in Warframe was a fight over the resources of a new system. If the Orokin figured out void travel, warp travel would be an easy translation. Once that was done, they'd just lay waste to EVERYTHING in thier path in Warhammer. Keep in mind, the Orokin outpace NECRONS in sheer technological power. And despite the vid, warframes stomp the Warhammer universe. Dude seriously low-balled the frames' actual capacity for violence.
@neko-zq2mv a single tenno held back the entire Void for millenia. Every operator is entirely immortal, and the player operator ripped a continent-sized ship out of multiple realities, created a extradimensional ex-temporal acausal space, and transposed psychic powers onto thousands of children all at exactly the same time, in every single version of every conceivable reality they had access to. I'd wager that's comparable to anything Malcador did at least.
When was the time travel "distance" (for lack of a better term) confirmed? Because all sources I'm aware of paint Warframe's point in the timeline as being ambiguous (the Tennocon demo this year even poked fun at the ambiguity when it transitioned to the Railjack section, cycling between saying Years, Centuries, Millennia, then ???, before just settling on "Later").
@thegrouchization comic confirmed Albrect traveled roughly 10,000 years, he left during the old war. Old war happened at least 3000 years before Vor's Prize. Could be any amount longer tho. 13,000 years is a 'minimum'
limbo casts cataclysm and stasis! the battle is over! also the fact that a weapon can be voidtouched, become incarnon and completely change its functionality out of thin air is something that is so underrated in all of these videos
The custodes have a incredible advantage when it comes to strength, but there’s one warframe that isn’t mentioned here, Nidus, a perfection of both worlds, warframe and infestation. And if you know what the infestation can do you’d know the custodes wouldn’t stand a chance.
Before we talk strength remember, Atlas punched apart an asteroid big enough to end life on earth apart with his hands. An asteroid big enough to apparently have life support on it and people dancing out in the open. assuming that was just a myth, rhino can canonically hit the ground so hard that *time stops*
I'm sorry, but the Custodes aren't even on par with the physically weaker frames. Custodes can swat away a tank, Excalibur can swat away the tank, the five behind it, and the phalanx of dreadnoughts behind that.
@@Mark-qk5sr The Atlas thing? It's a real event, though it wasn't as simple as him just punching the rock and it breaking. He had assistance from an army of Rumblers to soften the rock up first.
Would disagree - the current state of the lore of warframe clearly makes a distinction between 2 operators that pilot warframes - tenno and the drifter, later of which can just rewind „casuality” or some similar shenanigans just to achieve unachievable goal basing on the rule of as many attempts as necessary (even infinite number of attempts - from which the Drifter possibly emerged). To sum it all up, whenever the warframe loses, bang - lets do it again but differently
Another thing - tenno are canonically immortal: „You cannot kill the Devil, Tenno, but you can send it back to hell.” From which they came back together with more HAXED version of themselves
Versatility: Custodes Perfect all, Warframe Perfect one. 1v1 might be a difficult fight but a team deathmatch Warframes might just win, if we consider the abnormal Arsenal they got. Speed: Reaction speed is not same as movement speed, If pitted against Volt or Gauss, the Custodes will know what hit them, but not catch them. Tactics: Tenno are the children's, 4 5 schools teach various attributes. Like Naramon is more CQC Melee focused school where the Tenno can retain their Melee combo counter, something that greatly affect the damage output in this era, via mods. The weapon damage along with Warframe abilities are divided into elements, where some elements are strong against something and weak to other (Magnetic can disrupt electronics, Electric is more damaging to robotics,Toxin/Gas deals more damage to the fleshy targets, while Viral straight up just ignores Armour. Then we have a weapon called Hysterix that can switch between the elemental damage at will, and Cedo that's basically launches a highly bouncy frisbee which also tosses vials of all sorts of elemental damage is all directions in its path. Strength: Warframes and their weapon make up their arsenal. Atlas's punch is obilerate, Rhino's stomp disrupts time, Grendel can vore you, Limbo is untouchable to normal weaponry. Trinity, a support frame can hang you midair and drain your life force to heal and replenish energy for her allies, Xaku can straight up steal your weapon, enhance it and shoot you back with it. Sevagoth has a radial aura that slowly drains your life, while also heavily slowing you down. And something you didn't consider is the Helminth system in Warframes, Tenno can inject a single ability of a Warframe onto the another Warframe. P.S. I've not played or familiar with the lore of the Adeptus Custodes and other Warhammer 40k, I just happen to have 2k hours in Warframe, comparing to whatever I saw in this video
@@PenOfEvil Strong ≠ Eximus. Eximus units have technology specifically designed to counter or resist Tenno abilities, most likely void connected itself. Specifically, I'm referring to overguard which is single handedly the most broken and OP thing in Warframe, might go as far to say gameplay and lore wise. They do not use physical might to power through it.
Even if the Custodians can kill Warframes, the Tenno operators piloting them would remain unharmed, allowing them to go again and again and again. In lore, the Tenno cannot be killed, meaning they would win through sheer attrition.
Ok we have wisp a frame that can open portal to shot heat rays from the sun Rhino a frame that can somehow stop time by stomping the ground Nova a frame that uses anti mater Kullevo who can probably 1 shNot them Grendel that can just eat them (if he can get close enough) Revenant who just can't die and the shittiest guns can probably kill a standard Astartes and the strongest ones can maybe kill the emperor The max dmg in warframe is 7 billion or trillion orsome shit its a -7 somn with a "e" in it (i think)
You must not have played in a while. Its entire possible, hell its easy, to reach integer limit in terms of damage when you combo certain things. If thats taken as canon, warframe weaponry have the ability to deal so much damage that any more would be to have *existence* itself break.
by psychic power alone just the tenno are at primach level, remember in warframe story rell blocked the void from coming to real world emperor fo mankind style for hundred or tousand of years, psychic power of tenno + inhuman strong body of warframe ? they are as strong as primach, and theres thousand of tenno, not to mention tenno practically immortal, adeptus custodes alone cant stop the tenno
@@Mark-qk5sr They were also fighting their equivalent of the Men of Iron and the subjugated masses of the Sol System while being led by their equivalent of The Emperor. They also hadn't fully realized their connection with Eternalism *until* the New War and the events in Duviri, their connection with the Drifter illuminated to them their true nature.
@@Mark-qk5sr "But somehow, ALL OF THEM was slain as one during New War" - you mean, their space mom got all of Operators to sleep in the belly of Lua, being confused because of the completion of her life's purpose (destroying Orokin) and being overprotective by her own nature?
@@ComotoseOnAnime Tenno in their point of view have a big problem now, with the Eternalism: they don't remember their past, and because of countless possibilities of this past they have no chance to ever learn the truth of themselves, their real past.
If we are really going to "Warframes Vs. Adeptus Custodes" talk, we must take into account the Eternalism is real... and Tenno will use it to their advantage. This is how you can repeat the same misson in Warframe. The very first battle between Custodes and a warframe? Custodes can win, a warframe can lose. The next one the very first battle between Custodes and a warframe? Custodes has the same no expirience of fighting a warframe, but the Tenno has the expirience of fighting a Custodes, and adjusted their pick of Warframe, weapons and tactics. Do we count a Custodes as a boss? If no, Void Sling + Magus Lockdown, strip Custodes' armor with Shattering Impact, kill with any weapon you like. If it takes more than 4 seconds, repeat the Void Sling. If we count a Custodes a boss? Not much difference, really. Tenno are not "kids", they are "devils" (by Ballas, lore accurate). You won't really think of a kid about someone who fought and killed tens of millions enemies by their own hands, not with some mass-destruction systems, right? And sorry, but the amount of lore doesn't correlate with the battle capability. ____ 7:19 324.000 pounds is not 324 tons, it is a bit less than 147 tons. Not enough to carry a small building :)
i only ever have one thing to say when i see someone try to powerscale anything against warframe, that is, Grendel exists and could just eat whatever you throw at him
if this turned into an all out war let's be real, it won't be a "who would win" it would be a "who gets infested first" scenario. and honestly i don't think the custodes have an answer to the infestation technovirus
Revenant has outright immortality and damage redirection everything they would do to him would instead be done on the custodes and if somehow he does get damaged his hp his won’t go below 2 from which he can regenerate I love warhammer but him alone would cook the entire squad he can turn himself into pure energy that moves so fast he keep up with volt in game and can has mind control so potent it works on the herold of an old god for a short amount of time
One thing I should mention, the Imperium is a fallen empire, but also an empire build from the remains of another fallen empire. They're the decaying remains of an empire built on the corpse of humanity's original interstellar empire. Meanwhile, the Orokin were the original empire of their universe. While they failed to expand beyond a single system, they made attempts. It's just that the sentients decided to rebel after being sent to the tau system.
At minimum we know the tenno were asleep for 1000 years after the fall of the orokin. They are only kids in terms of their bodies which dont age. (Except for the drifter).
The difficult thing is that warframes are so incredibly varied. Could an astartes beat an Excalibur? Probably. Would their shield generators be affected by magnetic status? If we're gonna give the waframes their full arsenal, does that include modding? How does being a master-psyker affect and interact with the tenno's void powers? My guess is that Warhammer 40k universe in general would be about as difficult for a warframe as the Steel Path. The adeptus custardes would be level cap at least, but I guarantee there are warframes and warframe setups that could kill one with ease. In a game about "haha funni damage numbers go brrrr" never underestimate their ability to find a way to one-shot something.
I remember we got a confirmation a while back that mods are canon to the lore of the universe, so any Warframe going out would be modded at least somewhat.
Im not too familiar with the Custodes. Can a Warhammer homie tell me what means they'd possess to counter stuff like being slowed to a complete stop, Invulnerability, armor dissolving/stealing, a sustained beam directly from the surface of the sun, metal manipulation, mass mind control (should be a familiar foe), dead Custodes resurrected - brought back again and again. Tornadoes, being pulled to the depths of the sea (Hydroid), maybe even being teleported into space or another reality (Limbo/Wisp)... I just woke up so i cant list all of them but theres a few for ya. I feel like the absolute mayhem of Warframes being uncapped from a 4-man squad, to an open battlefield would be insane. They could buff each other to hell and back. That speed from "Volt" and "Wisp" stacking, being applied to many others within who knows how long of a distance if it was lore accurate rather than a game mechanic that needs balancing. There would be so many other effects like invisibility, damage up and resistances, etc. stacked on top of each other that my damn screen would be flooded with buff icons LMAO 😅 Actually? Theres one thing that I could see being huge in such a war. I could see the lot of them being absolutely STACKED in a Warframe mechanic called "Overguard" which is an armor type reserved for elite enemies. It's mostly vulnerable to Magnetic and Void damage. It can nullify "Crowd Control Abilities" (though this is somewhat inconsistent in-game as to what counts as CC) and offers immunity to status effects, knockdowns, oh! Mind control and slow!, Radiation's "confusion" effect, and stuff like stunning. If the Custodes don't already have it from their home turf. I could see them immediately aquiring the means to do so. There's one enemy unit i know of who can regen Overguard to others, so im imagining a whole battlefield of Custodes constantly being topped off with the stuff 😅. At the moment there's only a handful of Warframes who can grant themselves and others Overguard though. There's a weapon augment that grants you Overguard by doing damage to such protected enemies, which I could also see the Custodes appropriating as soon as they reverse-engineer it... 🤔 Good god, it would just be a constant back and forth between who can have and steal the most Overguard 😭. There are an increasing amount of Warframes who can strip that away en masse these days though. Though much like the game being developed, they'd likely over time augment their abilities to grant that to even more Frames. (JESUS, IMAGINE NULLIFIER CUSTODES after they reverse-engineer Corpus tech 💀) Oooh, i wonder what The Man in the Wall could offer if the Tenno were so pressed. If the Custodes managed to reach The Heart of Deimos and/or Lua... And could the Custodes defeat The Infested plague if it was unleashed on them? (See PenofEvil's previous video "The Infestation vs The Tyranids) ... im still sleepy and i lost track of what i was saying. HOW ARE YOU?? 😊
I think the observation that new custodes-killer warframes would be made is spot on, most likely it would burst from a different timeline in the hour of need with it's own lore quest and all lol
40k is usually so over the top thay any fiction needs to check itself before even considering if they can compare. The size, the numbers, the sheer plot armor that can be obtained. Warframe, is not one of these lesser fictions. Each one of these truama bound children is a Malcador/Magnus level reality warper. The angry puppets they have are biomechanical meat suits honed to specialize their powers. Its meant to cut out the noise and give them focus. If a warframe has come to kill you, this immortal demigod like powered child is playing video games from their 💺 chair and the most you can do is kill the toy they sent. Lwts be real, yes there things in 40k that could possibly over power the Transferrance. The Emperor, Chaos gods, Necron BS machinery, or perhaps orcs could die so many times to a warframe the kid ends up getting bored. Its not like we know if a warframe could "shield gate" through an exterminadus, and they probably cant. Cusstodes i think could kill a warframe, then that kid is gonna throw a fit. Change his loadout, His mindset, and see how high a KPM he can get.
If we mix gameplay and lore of course Id think the Warframes obliterate the custodes. But that isn't the case lore wise, too many assumptions are being made.
@@Nauticus7314 so assume they can shield gate and apply that immunity to a completely different universe with no explanation other than being immune. Because of a game mechanic? I think I'm wrong but sheesh I think that's wrong too😂😂
I'm sorry but warframes are not at the level of the custodes, they are at primarch level. First the reaction speed, reaction speed is not the same as movement speed and also running speed is not the same as fighting speed, that you can see something coming doesn't mean you will be able to do something about it, and the max speed you can run does not mean you can move at that speed for everything you do. Meanwhile every warframe can deflect bullets with their swords, and even tho this has limitations I have not read of any custodes being able to deflect bullets at pointblank range like excalibur does in the opening cinematic. When it comes to strength warframes are strong enough to rip parts off the exploiter orb and submit and ride the ropalolyst with their bare hands, and they can aslo cut through heavy armored enemies like they are nothing and unlike custodes they don't usually use energy blades, they just use really sharp and durable blades so the cut is done through pure strength and skill, wich this brings me to the amout of weight they can lift does not equal to their strength, I can totally see custodes lifting 324 tons, but they can't put all of that behind a punch, there is a lot to consider when it comes to strength, they are still incredibly strong but both are pretty equal or I would even say warframes are stronger since custodes through bioingeneering became the peak of humanity but warframes previously were dax wich already were that and then they got even stronger when infected with the technocyte virus and then even got mechanic enhancements wich gave them pretty much all of the abilities the custodes armor grants, and let's not forget that yes the tenno are children but when they join a warframe or atleast in the old war with the original frames, their mind and the warframes mind became one, we see this with Umbra, or even jade, tho in jades case she took control and the tennos minds was just put to sleep, so they have all the skills and experience of both, plus as far a we know they don't age so it doesn't matter that they are kids, oh and also saying they fought just in two wars is and understatement when you consider their foes and what they had to work with, the sentients are basically the tyranids but worse and they fought them to a stalemate, then with their limited numbers overthrew the orokin empire on their own. Also there is something that was not mentioned, mods and arcanes and all the other upgrades like forma and such, they are indeed canon, they don't do a one to one what they do in game but they are reallity bending enhancements that can be added to almost everything, meaning that they can grab a present day 9mm and turn it into a 50mm explosive ammo shotgun, an it would still just use 9mm ammo, or give a revolver the ability to shoot twenty bullets even tho you loaded six. In conclusion the custodes to me are completely outmatched atleast in a one to one against the most basic of warframes like excalibur, I would say they would need atleast 20 to jump him at the same time to beat him.
Warframes are something the grineer can kill albeit with hundreds of them but Warframes get killed and overwhelmed constantly in every war they've been in. And no Warframe except umbra has any usable information in their mind. The custodes may not bend reality but they have certainly defeated many reality bending creatures and demons. But in this video I took away the inconsistencies of both. But I'm not gonna inflate the Warframe to the point of superman with little to no evidence.
@@PenOfEvil Obviously they eventually get overwhelmed, same as custodes and their shield and armor is way better than a warframe that doesn't have a way to enhance them, also grineer are pretty strong and they can also improve themselves with mods, they should not be underestimated, besides how many times warframes have been overwhelmed by grineer? I can count like three at most, again all you have to do is look at warframe cinematics to see they can take them on and dax in great numbers easily, and the wfs do have useful information, they were dax, the elite warrior who have fought in many wars and trained to be the best, at the start of wf you wake up with no memories and their innate knowledge alone is enough to fight your way through the grineer, if that is not useful information then all the custodes training means nothing. Honestly the whole they have defeated reality bending beings and demons doesn't mean much if they can just get shot with a regular weapon and die, don't get me wrong custodes weapons are formidable but in the end are really big regular weapons, the most special thing they have is the energy blade, same thing goes to warframes tho, I don't think that wfs like limbo are as strong as people say especially since eximus, wich are also canon, can bypass some of their abilities so a custodes would certainly be able to resist them, what I meant when I mentioned mods and arcanes bending reality is that their arsenal is stronger and way more versatile than anything custodes use, a custodes taking various shots to take down something like a lictor does not compare to warframes using a bow to take down a ship. Also warframes have fought in three conflicts, in the old war they did not get overwhelmed the orokin had to retreat and hide and with the warframes alone they were able to fight back and turn the war in their favor until all the ballas and natah thing happened wich cut the war short, then they completely stomped the orokin at the peak of their power, and then the last conflict is the new war, were they had just a fraction of their arsenal, their numbers were significatly lower than in the past two wars, most of their memories were lost and no army nor fleet or any significant ally that could actually help, so I stand by what I said, 1 warframe is atleast 20 custodes.
The Custodes can definitely beat a couple of Warframes. They're a difficulty far above, say, 60-eyes Fragmented One. But the annoying thing about the Tenno, as Ballas found out, is tha they are immortal. Almost conceptually so. It's a level of immortality that surpasses even Greater Demons. It's instant, spammable, and worst of all, completely Void powered. That's the one "weakness" the Custodes will have. Arguably, the Sisters of Silence have a better shot than the Custodes. The Tenno are Mara Lohk, Void Demons. With rays of CANNOT BE energy that annihilates or corrupts all it touches. A level of corruption that even surpasses some of Chaos. And a laughing, grinning Indifferent Void God looking over his favorite kiddo, making sure the Tenno remains existing until the deal is done. Because even when Ballas banished the Tenno in the one realm they can get stuck in, the Void just spat them back out no worse for wear. It would actually be funny if the Tenno were transferred to the 40k universe. Because they WILL drag the Man in the Wall into 40k as well. And the 4 Chaos Gods, and every living and unliving thing in the galaxy will now have to contend with RAP TAP TAPs on their walls.
"It would actually be funny if the Tenno were transferred to the 40k universe. Because they WILL drag the Man in the Wall into 40k as well. And the 4 Chaos Gods, and every living and unliving thing in the galaxy will now have to contend with RAP TAP TAPs on their walls." Probably not. In WF's universe there were little to none beings who could interact with Wally (cough - finger engine - cough); so we can assume The Double can't or won't interact with 'every living thing' in the galaxy just like that. Still, there surely will be WH40k beings that will try to look into the Void by their own. Technopriests? Inquisition? Warp beings, demons, races, Gods? Once they meet the eye of the bored Man In The Wall, they're cooked.
@tamop Ah, you have a point friend. But remember, if the Tenno is sent to 40k, they'll be bringing their stuff with them Which includes the Railjack, and it's void drive. Now, what was the thing inside your Railjack's drive again? Well, now that a copy of Wally's finger exists in 40k, he is now tied to 40k's Strands of Khra, its time flow. He now has a finger through the door. And with a few well placed Whispers, Rap Tap's and Deals, Wally can work 40k's Untime Door open, slowly but surely. This is ignoring the other players. The Imperium will not be happy, the Necrons even less. The Chaos Gods will not take the entrance of a new Eldritch God lightly. But I can see Tzeentch assisting the Void. It would bring cataclysmic Change, upend the balance, show unfathomable new knowledge, and would be genuinely funny
@@MorningLightMtn "He now has a finger through the door" Dude you're terrible :D And basically yes, Tenno now is Wally's window into the real world. And there is no reason to think they'll be the only window forever, so - further or later, tap...
The main question I have is "does armor strip work as expected" we are no strangers to fighting heavily armored enemies, it usually doesn't matter. Also, as a Mag main: is it magnetic? (: Because your Reaction time won't save you if the Breach Surge Bubble Blender gets your ass.
16:43 are you sure about that? I can outright name the Murmur, the Man in the Wall, the Void Angels, the Archons, Sentient technology specifically designed against Warframes, and even those "man-eating bugs" have a counterpart in Infested
@PenOfEvil it's been outright stated that the Sentient tech used in New War was specifically made to counter Warframes via data gathered from the Orphix and Ropalolyst missions And Archons were made from broken Warframes
@@Necroxion Warframes sole purpose was to kill sentients and they are damn good at it, the archons again I can say how strong they are there isn't too much info other than alluding to their power. Everything about them is a gameplay mechanic
@PenOfEvil except no - that only applies to the earlier frames such as Nidus Later frames like Gara were designed out of spite for someone who just invented Cephalons, Caliban was specifically made near a later stage using Sentient tech, Revenant, Kullervo, Dante, and Xaku were only altered into their current states _after_ the Sentient war, Inaros was specifically made to be a god-king of Mars before he rebelled, Voruna was made as a personal bodyguard to an Orokin Executor, Titania was made as a personal bodyguard for an Archimedean, Protea as a personal bodyguard for a Corpus, Lavos was altered after the war was over by being introduced to the secrets of alchemy, Vauban was made specifically to hunt Corpus as discussed in his Prime trailer, Dagath wasn't even made as a frontline combatant, but a s3x toy for Orokin (which happened to also have the power to summon death scythes, death horses, and become immortal, while also surviving complete disintegration of the central area of her head), Jade was made as a punishment for forbidden love and wielded the Jade Light which was used for summary executions, Stalker was made as a personal bodyguard for Orokin, Octavia was made to coordinate Tenno armies with "Naga drums", Ash was made to be the patron saint of the Assassins' cult, and Sevagoth was made as a rescue ship operator If you're going to compare two factions by "sole purpose", at least research what that "sole purpose" actually is EDIT: and then you missed the fact that there was the first Infested outbreak, which the Tenno participated in containing - so there were also Warframes specifically built to take on Infested, such as Saryn
@@Necroxion Research sole purpose? That is the main plot point of Warframe. Most of the Warframes if not all of them had the idea of them fighting sentients. I'm not saying that there are no other variables to consider. Don't take what I'm saying and act as if I said nothing else was possible, that's just bad faith. The reason why Warframes were created was to defeat sentients, that is common knowledge. Everything in between doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things if they all are capable of that one thing. So again yes they were a weapon created to kill sentients, it became deeper than that but that was their sole purpose. If you don't agree with that then maybe talking to you is a mistake.
@@PenOfEvil those "decrepit clones" are wearing a literal ton of armor, I was doing some railjack missions and my Steel Meridian, you know the rag tag revolutionary group that gets far less training then actual grineer, mentions she punched a bulkhead hard enough to dent it. Denting a titanium bulkhead like the one on a railjack would take over 100 000 newtons of force and she just does that whenever she's mad. Their entire society is might is right and they endlessly develop weapons. I know you disregard shieldgating despite it being cannon and even mentioned by the lotus when fighting zanuka, "Be careful Tenno, Zanuka has all the power of a Warframe with a full complement of mods" which means the mod directly affecting shields exist and ROLLING GUARD which just makes you invincible. Also wisp literally makes a portal to the sun, the custodes are not surviving that.(This and also limbos story really makes me doubt that the Orokin couldn't space travel past the solar system)
I admire your exquisite work and amount of knowledge that you have combined and successfully into this and any other of your vids. HOWEVER, in your vids (every one that I viewed so far) are infested (....) with flashing, strobing light theatrics. Just in itself, this looks... well, that's a matter of opinion. What my problem with the lights is - is that it is dangerous for any epilepsy patients who just happens to enjoy watching your vid.... just until it possibly triggers the seizure... Please, consider not relying so heavily on this exact visual effect so much. Ty. Best regards :)
If you ripped a hole between their universes they'd have to work together to fight the infested tyranids. Unless the tenno are considered psycher heretics at least.
Warframe player of 11 years and warhammer fan once a player has hit the new war they would be comparable to the lotus who could teleport the moon if you choose whispers in the wall a warframe can physically overpower the concept of time raw physical strength overpowering the Khra representing time in that universe, the drifter made Duvuri an entire landscape with just his mind, protea in canon created an entire pocket dimension, every Tenno has multiple forms of immortality the only way to sort of bring one down is by cutting the transference link then slaying the operator which still makes it possible for them to return possessing equipment that they can transference into. The warframes have mastery over every single form of combat and the drifters experience level could possibly be immeasurable he was caught in a paradox where he died a literal uncountable number of deaths there’s no conformations on how many times, but it was possibly over 1000 years or way more depending on how time flowed from the drifters perspective in Duvuri time is strange in the void. I love custodies but there is not a snowballs chance in hell they’d be able to do anything against limbo or Koumei who can canonically see the future and manipulate fate
While overall I agree with your decision on speed and how the Custodes are faster than most warframes, your assessment of Gauss and Volt is very much flawed. Both Gauss and Volt are shown to have reaction times matching their speeds, Volt in the Warframe intro cinematic and Gauss in his prime reveal trailer. While a Custodes' reaction time would be better, they are not faster and Gauss and Volt would still perceive them in slow motion
I agree I should have explained that more, it's more of the fact that these characters should be able to turn on a dime so if the custodes aimed where they would be, they would get hit cause they can't just stop instantaneously. But that I think is something I would have to dive deeper to truly prove
@@PenOfEvil I agree it's possible to lead the shot, but that won't be easy or most of the time a possibility considering how the Tenno can change direction mid-air even so much to the point they even go full stop or instantly go the other direction with an equal amount of velocity and speed.
Custodes might be stronger in terms of raw stats, but warframes have a lot more bullshittery. No matter how fast or strong you are, if Limbo banishes you into the rift, he still controls the reality you now exist in and Protea's control of time is nothing to laugh at either and if any custodes ever fall, they are free real estate for your neighberhood Necros...
Warframes win hands down. Custodes aren't even at the pinnacle of the Golden Age of Humanity, while the Tenno and Prime Warframes are at that stage. Heck, they were the one's who ended it themselves. Not to mention that the OP weapons and frames the Tenno have can still be made while the Custodes are using leftovers that can't be reproduced. Also, void shenanigans like altering timelines are a factor for Tenno. Tenno were highly trained in the Art of War and several sciences, making them elite soldiers. They just look like kids, but they aren't. This fight would be like your regular Custodes vs. one of those old star gods in warhammer.
If I’m thinking about correctly even when the Tenno lose an alternative versions of them appears to continue the fight like in the new war when the Tenno got pulled into the void and the drifter appeared
And let's not forget Custodes have the Blood Games where they put all kind of enemies in the Imperial Palace and they have to kill them or a custodes have to leave the Imperial Palace and infiltrate near the Emperor to try and kill him and they will upgrade for any situation where the custodes or that treath in question almost succed to try and kill the Emperor.
Come on. Rhino"s Stomp, Limbo's Stasis/Cataclysm, Vauban's Bastille, and Nova's Molecular Prime would literally stop the Custodes in their tracks; reaction time means absolutely nothing when they can't move. And it means even less when they cannot even see Ivara, Loki, and Ash. Such an under-informed "analysis".
Rhino stomp disrupts time in a small radius and why couldn't it be dodged or stopped he isn't that fast. Nova and Limbo are the Warframes best opportunity for a win.
13:31 Atlas is directly stated to destroy the asteroid with a punch thats his theme he is a brawler. Also reaction time is one thing but you still need to move your body wich doesnt mean you are moving that fast. Volt can casualy move his body and give his speed to others.
Are we forgetting that warframes are literally a part of the infested? Like how do you even kill the infested? And last time someone tried to kill a Tenno, we went on a self improvement journey and came back to whoop that ass. After getting kebab’d by paracesis, mind you.
One thing must be known about the Infestation: You cannot stop the Infestation. In Warframe it's already won, it just hasn't reached the checkpoint yet.
You forgot to add one incredibly important detail, Tenno are physically immortal. They can easily live for more than 10,000 years (which is certainly not a special achievement in Warhammer). ANY damage passes through them, yes, but no matter what Supreme Being a Custodes is, for him death will be... death. For Tenno, it is more like disembodiment and reassembly into Void with subsequent return to service. Also take into account the fact that they are able to become INVULNERABLE for a while, make spatial jumps, and I won't even mention the features of the schools. And then, their MODS. Assemble a decent build, and everything that is even relatively hostile will INSTANTLY die, be it weapons (Acceltra, Thorid Incarnon, etc.) or frames (Mirage, Sarin, etc.). HAVE YOU EVEN SEEN WHAT KIND OF DAMAGE THEY CAN EXTRACT?! Exterminatus is out of the question. Besides, you called Mara Loch "mere children", those who daily exterminate tens of thousands of Corpus, Grineer and Infested soldiers just for fun, resources, or to become stronger, they have not had psychological problems for a very long time. For the Tenno, the Imperium would become just another place to grind and farm everything. And the regular people would probably start supporting them, because as paradoxical as it may sound, but the Tenno are humanists😆, and in principle kind. Yes, I know, right😏? As for me, the Imperium should consider them allies and not enemies, though they have a strange habit of killing emperors, but that's nothing🤣
"the Tenno are humanists😆, and in principle kind. Yes, I know, right😏?" With Eternalism there is no reson for being not kind. You help a man? He probably helps you back somehow sometime. You kill a man? There is an infinite amount of him due to Eternalism, so why bother? And if you need resources, genociding an army is way far profitable that killing civilians. There's nothing wrong with your statement :)
See, there's two issues with this logic, I'm seeing... 1 - Can the Custodes survive the actual sun? No? Say hi to Wisp. 2 - Can they be outside of time? Also no? Say hi to Rhino and Protea. You CANNOT stand against a lore-accurate Tenno. The powerscaling goes beyond insane. And that ignoring the fact the Custodes have to actually be on the battlefield. Tenno don't, the Warframes have no heart, no real body to kill, it's for all intents and purposes, even Umbra, a puppet. And these puppets break time, space, and logic to murder you in a split second, if that. Warframes win.
Custodians are beyond doomed when the tenno noticed that they drop good loots.
The Custodies would totally drop built Formas I think.
@@player0additem0noifif that was the case I don think I would stop fighting them
@@player0additem0noif thats a crazy statement so when can we run sp against em for that extra dropchance :)
@@leonardbiesinger9099 I feel like I'm reading gibberish even though I know what that means. This is why Warframe is hard to get into
@Daring-s1i valid itd help i i just used stealpath but i couldnt be fucked to spell it out
“Warframes don’t fight anything stronger than themselves”
“Rap… tap… tap… you are late kiddo”
We haven't fought him yet hopefully soon
@@PenOfEvil we have indirectly fought him on a psychological level already
@@PenOfEvil oh also Rel was keeping him out of the universe for a thousand years straight
And the man in the wall corrupts anything instantly, look at the void and Rell fought that off for so long, the tenno are Strong!
We can't fight him directly as a tenno. Even mentally he wears us down and makes it so that we have to deal with the whole time has no meaning in the void paradox.
It's similar to the warp.
"Warframes dont't fight anything stronger than themselves"
Meanwhile the tennos blackmailing and death threatening a eldritch multiversal deity
And kill immortal super soldiers called liches.
And fight the infested a virus that would make the flood from halo envy.
And make the tyranid run in terror of, as they arent even a match for one single spore.
They also take down Edilions, those things are beyond warframes in strength, and are literal invulnerable. Except for the void, which 40K have nothing to tab into it with
@@madsvigan2898 AHHH TOO MANY WORDS I SOMEHOW UNDERSTAND
Skipping over the tactics of the Tenno is crazy. They were trained by the Dax, guards and warriors of the Orokin, in the Old War and adopted the strategys of Ordan Karris, a mercenary with a killcount of 20 trillion people in a normal human lifespan.
The Tenno specialise in hit and run attacks, but are also competent with other tactics (as shown by the variety of missions).
The fact that Tenno only group up in four man squads is only a restriction in gameplay. In the Trial missions there were eight player teams and in lore its likely that even bigger groups get deployed together.
I also love how he just completely ignored the fact that the Tenno can control time and reality so basically if they were about to lose, they would just reset the clock and try a different tactic and keep trying until they get them even if they stood a chance at all
@@vonbezumiye8470YEA! Spoilers sorry but the drifter LITERALLY reverses time in the latest story mission!
@ that’s what I was literally referencing lol this dude probably never really touched warframe
@@vonbezumiye8470 I was reading another comment thread and he tried saying he had 3k hours in it lol, if that’s true he definitely shouldn’t be giving any win to 40k
@ I saw that too for real dude doesn’t know shit. I liked his video on the infection. But this one he’s so wrong. Golden boys from Warhammer got nothing on the tunnel. Pete sake some Tenno In my opinion probably could take on the emperor or the chaos gods.
I think you're discounting a lot of reality bending abilities that warframes have. The custodes may be the at the peak of physical capabilities, and that's just that. Physical, limited by what physics allow. None of them are psykers who could counter what warframes could pull up. Limbo could pop his pocket dimension on them, stop time, and they're effectively target dummies. Hell toss in revenant, and they get locked in place by just attempting to cause damage, and then turn on their allies. Nyx will cause their formations to shatter by removing their ability to tell friends from foe. Saryn will make nurgle proud with the amount of spores that could be caused to spread.
You mention that they have the reaction speed, but just because you can react to something, doesn't mean you're able to do anything about it. Their might is limited by the laws of physics, warframes break physics by just breathing. I'd say they may have a counter for that, but custodes can be neither blanks nor psykers
Any ballistic weaponry can be countered by mag's abilities to say no. Why stop there? One of the tenno focus schools vanishes the weapons of their enemies into non-existence all the while tenno can be intangible at will.
The corpus employ shields that protect them from harm just as they do, yet they both have limits, and can be broken with enough effort.
The only way the custodes would win is if they were given a name
even if an custodes able to break a warframe, they can revive it up to 9 times.... even repair broken body parts in a instant
i think he said they were exposed to psychics to the point they are immune so i don't think they'd turn on their fellow custodes. But yeah how do you come back from a pocket dimension. Also doesn't nova do atomic disintegration or something? they're prob used to that. We haven't even cracked the nutshell that is eternalism either.
warframe is also peak physical strengh too since the techno virus basically upgrade there human biology structure. Anyways what people forget these soldiers is more then perfect super soldiers they able to fight any kind of battlefield
shock troopers, small quoter combat, guerilla warfare, genocide, sky combat, underwater combat even in deep pressure, vacuum space combat with no suit, solo ship combat with no suit. There arkwing is so versial it should be included.
we can't forget to include the nekomech to hit things harder
@@michelchaman6495anti matter
Nova has anti matter
That’s beyond atomic disintegration
@@michelchaman6495yeah that's not true, the Custodes are not immune to psychic attacks it's why they are always seen with sisters of silence.
I think some of the warframes would be useless here but some straight up have fate manipulation, rhino hits the ground so hard it disrupts time, limbo trapped armies of people in the rift which is a parallel universe, protea controlling time on a solar system scale.
I don’t see them beating that
Rhino just use iron skin and just wait for 2 seconds and they shoot him for 2 seconds and mf is definition of immortal
You don't have to see wqarframe from the game prospective but from lore, they can easyly cut in half ultra augmented human with think ass armor with a slesh of a sword
@@aldeonuwu2634 true, lore accurate warframes like Mag prime not only not a single bullet will get hit to her but she even destroyed a fucking big shit just by raising her arm and the entire ship was torn in pieces, this said by crew members to be with her in same ship, SHE WAS IN ANOTHER SHIP DOING THAT 💀
@@goofyAh69420 dax soldiers where fking terrorized by her, she can litterally magnetize bone so no matter how powerfull u are, u are fucked, worframe are demigod
This video was as a bunch as azz pulls back to back. They wouldn't make it past mag or ember.
You're completely underselling the capabilities of warframes and the tenno as a whole.
My one complaint is about the age difference.
The teno only look like children, Because they no longer age. It's the reason the Queen's wanted our body for continuity is because we are immortal, we cannot die, and we do not age. We fought in the old war, and we are still alive over a millennia later.
So we've had just as long as them to hone our own fighting skills, and have the major advantage of being seperate from the frames. They can take down a frame, we might lose the first battle. But they can die, unlike us, who will keep coming back.
Also, wisp. Wisp's 4th canonically is a portal to the sun that she opens up to fire a solar flare at you
Pitty that wisps 4th ability is so sad, depending on we're in the star that the portal is opened the fire would be tens of millions of degrees 😮
Also wisp exists in a completely different dimension when airborne (passive ability), and yet is still able to attack when airborne.
I'd like to disagree on two specific points:
1. Reaction time is the time it takes from noticing an event over making a decision to beginning to move, it does not account for the actual movement itself. There's a good chance a Custodes would be experiencing their own death in slow motion without having the actual speed to do anything about it. Kind of how Mayuri in Bleach kills Szayelaporro.
2. It's the tenno body that is a child and sleeping. Don't forget that during the Old War, they were dreaming. They had all the training and tactics that the Dax have ingrained into their mind, who are themselves supersoldiers that can take out entire batallions singlehandedly. Given dreams dont work at a 1:1 time rate and the Orokin Empire is old as hell itself, it's not impossible for the warframes in action to have a similar level of tactics and experience as the Custodes.
Bonus point: Time doesn't make you scale up linearly. Training cannot increase your strength or reaction time to beyond what is your limit. Really, outside of absolute beginners time shouldn't be accounted for unless we are dealing with something that actually evolves with age like a True Dragon in Dungeons and Dragons.
First off I love the bleach reference. The only problem is that there is proof of the Space Marines dodging laser beam and Custodes are supposedly much faster. As for the training custodes and mankind are shown to have nearly infinite bs potential. Logically speaking you are correct training does not mean more power but in this universe it definitely does.
@ Gotcha 👌
Also bullshit potential is so on brand for warhammer 😂
@PenOfEvil spacemarines dodging laser beams makes no sense in canon, if they could dodge laser beams, how the fuck are boltors still useful in spacemarine combat?
@@PenOfEvil Considering warframes baseline can deflect any projectile if they as much as hold melee weapon, that would put them at same implied reaction time if not higher.
@@PenOfEvil consider the following, any warframe can deflect and block any attack with something as simple as brass knuckles.
Little known fact:
Mods and shields ARE INDEED cannon to the Warframe universe.
Meaning shieldgating technically could be a tactic. Unless the Imperium can find a way to fully disintegrate a Warframe in one hit, bypassing shields and the invulneribility the shield gates give, they can't even kill the "worst" frames.
They could use letal toxins for frames that dont have status immunity
And even then, Foundry go brrr and print a new Warframe. Have fun finding a space ninja.
The question is if Mechanicus could invest Toxin damage weapons.
If the can, shieldgate will be useless.
@@tonysmith9905 shield gating is a game mechanic. But yes to everything else.
@@PenOfEvil nope, modding frames and weapons are cannon. Which means sheild gating is cannon.
“Atlas punching an asteroid is the strongest feat we have to date” no, no it is not. Rhino can LITERALLY stomp the ground so hard that time pauses momentarily.
honestly stomps so hard time breaks should blow Atlas' lore feat out of existence. but nope, all we get is oh atlas has rock powers so thats why he was able to do this at all.
@ fr, the guy did barely any research
Not to mention Atlas disintegrating an asteroid is in one punch. One very precise punch, AFTER beating the shit out of the cult inhabiting it. And the asteroid was big enough to host basically the entire Telamon cult, though had only a fraction on board still... And Atlas shattered it to space dust. Not just breaking it, *shattered to dust.*
Atlas's feat is NOTHING to scoff at by leaps and miles.
after 18k hrs of warframe gameplay im sure i could kill a custodes in 1v1 with every single warframe.
A custodes is not beating a Revenant with a Sporelancer. Just straight up immune to all harm for half a minute mininum with zero downtime to refresh, bouncing around like an eldar on crack and launching exploding stars that remove directions. And no, they're reaction time is not lightspeed and they can't move even a fraction that fast.
depends on the interaction of a neural shredder and the transference link.
odd you talk up bullt jump as mobility but downplay the Custodes when bullet jumps are pretty slow; certainly not not faster than a bolt shell nor a laz cannon and amassed fire will remove those charges pretty fast when each hits; then explodes.
consider. you are saying the Custodes with increased reaction times and augmented bodies to support the use of them... are less reactive than a common human controlling a warframe in conclave... you do know warframe has pvp? and that we have to get to 50 to win? odd how we hit our marks on the impossible target of.... a slow floating human-sized body... yea... bullet jumps are not what you claim.
@@ShishouDzukiZaManako we are saying the Custodes with increased reaction times and augmented bodies to support the use of them IS less reactive than a warframe that can block multiple laser beams with a sword. Yes we are.
@@tamop ignoring what i said... how very foreseeable.
human brain in a superhuman body...
you like so many other WF players can't even control it... frames have the opposite issue of custodes mind-body interaction. which is bad; at least the Custodes can react at hightened speeds... the frames have your human reactions.
@@ShishouDzukiZaManako in your logic, Custodes in this video hits with his spear even slower than a trained sportsman irl does, so assuming a Custodes is somehow "fast" is laughable.
@@tamop idk how youcame to that conclusion... since i literally said they had superhuman bodies to match the mind....
you are laughably bad at this; are you a leftist perhaps?
Custodes?
Just send a Mirage team and call it a day
Or one kid tenno lol. Void powers would disable any space marine, psycher, etc.
If Anti-Matter Drop and Molecular Prime worked as they should in real life, Nova could probably solo the entire universe. Just press 4 to convert everything into pure energy, watch the fireworks and call it a day.
@@lurking_zmbi There is a reason warframe teams are just 4...its because 4 its already overkill for almost everything
The amount of synergies between mods,weapons and warframes abilities are crazy
@@FernandoGonzalez-sn4nj unrelated to the video but kinda makes you think what sorta thing they expected from parvos to send 8 after him
Guys it's a reference to that time someone wrote about the space elf clowns destroying them during the War of the Beast
The ones who were like "We come in peace!" after having just massacred a lot of golden bois
Reaction speeds aren't movement speed
This right here
There's no way friggin way a custodes could move fast enough to touch Gauss or Volt. They might see them coming but actually moving that fast? Nope.
Much like superman vs flash he's fast just not fast enough
@@animelytical8354 there 58 Warframes only 2 can move that fast, they cannot move at the speed of light, but with a reaction speed that fast they can aim where you are going to be. It'll be like seeing him slow motion. Similar to what happens when superman fights flash.
But at the same time there's nothing stopping them from moving out of the way
@@PenOfEvilthat’s a good take, but you have not considered that maybe, just maybe this could be compleatly useless agaist 1/3 of the warframes, since some are compleatly invunerable, others have such high regeneration capabilities to be considered imortal and others are plain out invisible.
Saryn, Rhino and Mag are going for a walk... Zephyr accompanies them because she has the day off...
Zephy so slept on
Maybe not saryn because all they would need is a level 5 hazmat suit
Bro is underselling and undermining the abilities and capabilities of warframes
A single tenno was able to hold back an unimaginably powerful god on par with, or even more powerful than, the chaos gods and the god emperor, for thousands of years and barely got tired. When comparing endurance, there is no contest.
Any tenno is capable of operating the revenant, or joining a group with one. Mods are canon in the warframe universe, as are all Warframes and their abilities (source: Ordis talks about our mods, Varzia mentions the prime Warframes as real from her time) so we can know that any squad facing such powerful foes as the custodes are bound to have a revenant equipped with Mesmer shield, granting all Warframes under their care with permanent invulnerability, alongside a basic rolling guard mod. Basic cooperation makes the tenno forces unkillable. Even without the case of the revenant, any operator engaging in the vazarin school of focus is capable of engaging a shield overdrive on any allies they empower with the void, giving them invulnerability for a time (source: protective sling focus ability) Even the strongest and most adept of the custodes can die, and therefore the tenno remain uncontested in defensive capabilities.
The Mag Warframe is awoken at the beginning of the game and is easily accessible if you do not choose it. Her fourth ability magnetizes the bones of her foes, crushing them with little effort. The Limbo Warframe is easy to access, and has a simple ability to remove any particularly threatening foe from the fight for any select period of time, or to remove a grievously wounded ally from the line of fire. As the custodes hold no such manipulative capabilities, the tenno hold dominion over any form of control on the battlefield.
The drifter spent the past thousand years in an unending death arena of their own creation. To say the tenno don't understand tactics and strategy is simply to ignore the reality of the situation. The tenno know how to fail, and how to avoid downfall. The custodes have never tasted failure, and therefore have never had to learn to succeed. This places the tenno above the custodes in adaptability.
The tenno are capable of modifying weapons against any foe. The custodes have heavy armor, yes, but what happens when a Saryn launches a shot from her Hek, stripping that armor instantly and leaving a very expensive pile of goo and melted flesh on the battlefield? (Corrosive damage and corrosive proc archon shards) The best the custodes can hope for is to break an invulnerability gate (once again, kill revenant somehow) and destroy a Warframe, in addition to being able to prevent the tenno's allies from entering an invulnerable attunement to the void and reviving their ally in moments (the devs have confirmed that revives are canon). The tenno hold more firepower than the custodes.
The tenno have an infinite source of new warframes (the foundry is real, and can craft infinite things at once, potentially crafting all 98 frames in 3 1/2 days (28 frames per day) and can always instantly retreat to their cloaked orbiter at any point, leaving the operator unkillable as they throw a new frame at the invaders once per hour. In a war of attrition, the custodes stand no chance.
Many tenno have perfected their offensive and defensive capabilities against even the strongest of foes in the origin system. The tenno are capable of damaging voidform sentients, such as the eidolons on earth. The custodes have no offensive capabilities against such foes, as the eidolons are impervious to even the strongest of custodes attacks. The tenno have adapted to this frontier, the custodes have no ability to do so.
The tenno have much more endurance, defense, battlefield control, adaptability, firepower, and outperform in the long term. The custodes stand no chance.
Just also another note to add here, before you can even wish to kill a warframe you have to kill it 6 7 times because of arcanes also being able to boost power and add more versatility to the team. On top of that whenever a warframe is down the have a set amount of time to be revived by teamates and tenno can still avoid all damage and crowd control by just crouching to get the revive and just immediately jump back into the fight without even risking going out of void form. They also dont just die from lethal damage and instead teleport back to safety. Then also just to add an extra bonus, the warframes have overguard and shield gating as a final resort when it comes to surviving. Mix that in with a squad of 4 warframes having the ability to study and prepare themselves with everything above as a passive, then a 4 man squad becomes more effective than an army of thousands. (Side note. If you look into lore and how many enemies you have to kill to get to levelcap even then you can say that every warframe has the ability to take down armies alone without dying even once, and then we are talking of the infested for example who dont really care what you use to kill it and will just adapt.) Also octavia would just make it a meme.
@@Scythe1516og To add to this, it's also important to consider that some Tenno are masters of more than one Focus school; this is important because certain schools (unairu) can effectively allow the warframe or warframes to be immortal given the Tenno can self revive the warframes. So even in the event that you DOWN a warframe, a warframe can return to life within 15 seconds without the need to use a revive - of which there can be up to 8 at a time in the Vazarin school, plus the additional revives granted by some maxed arcanes giving potentially 10 revives PER WARFRAME, not accounting for the theoretically infinite self-revive capability that the Tenno itself can pull off.
I'm sorry but there are no scenario the adeptus custodes win against the tenno. they may succeed in being difficult targets, but what you have to understand is that fundamentally this fight is incredibly lopsided ESPECIALLY lore wise. See, the difference being that Custodes are at the end of the day the perfect human. Warframes however, are tide turning weapons of mass destruction capable of warping reality itself and not to a small degree.
Lorewise when parvos granum was being hunted by a group of 8 warframes, he , a shrewd businessman responded by nuking his base with a very high yield bomb. That's about your best option tactically, just wait for them to show up and nuke the place and HOPE they cant pull some bullshit out of their ass to parry the damn thing, which Limbo can just straight up do. You can kill a warframe but the tenno just gets back up, and frankly you can kill them and they do too.
but a custodes is a rare, precious, almost irreplaceable artifact
Mag and nidus would be turning all of their armour and weapons against them
In lore mag controls metal on an atomic scale even alien metals. All custodies have metal armor and bones. Even if they didn’t she can just turn your bones into metal and call it a day
@@Interloper621 ok I'm convinced people are making things up
that's cool I need your source
@ my sources are the cinematic opening and Aoi from the hex
@PenOfEvil and I'm convinced you only read the lore and havnt played through the game enough to make videos about it
@@PenOfEvil should mention ability description states that mag magnetised bones. She does not turn bones into metal, she can just magnetised normally non-magnetic materials.
I mean, I agree to an extent, if it was a sudden inexpected brawl, the custodes has a fair shot and maybe even an advantage based on who they end up against. Though if each side knew at least what caliibur of enemy they were going up agains, the warframes win hands down imo
I mean you can be as fast or well armoured as you like, but when Jade can trn your armour into paper and slow your movements to a crawl with a dissaproving mom glare while holding a cannon built to punch holes in space craft, you are pretty cooked
Glad to see another jade main in the wild, keep up the rapture
Tenno tend to act as hired gun at times , and given that the Tenno are humans who originate from Earth ( alternative version ) , I could imagine Emperium of Man hiring Tenno for War efforts.
No, they are going to be treated as heretical xenomorphs that should be eradicated in the name of the God Emperor
Keep in mind: one point of damage in Warframe is nominally equivalent to 44 PSI of force. That said, have fun with particle rifles the deal Mac Cannon damage.
Where did you get this calculation 😂????
It was somewhere on the forums. I'm walking around for more info, but I think the calculation was based on the Braton as a baseline. Ran the calculation myself on the lex and found that it would be nominally 4.5* more powerful than a .45 ACP, which is what it seems to be emulating, imo. Then again, I could also see it being action express, or an analog thereof.
Edit: By my calculations, the closest thing I can get to the lex is .500 Smith & Wesson, which is what the Bone Collector fires. One could argue it's super advanced space technology, but this is getting ridiculous. Nonetheless, I was more or less able to match the Bratton to the muzzle energy of 45 acp. So, there's that.
An alt timeline AK-47 was added to the game recently in preparation four our jaunt back in time to 1999, and someone used that as a baseline for a damage calc.
The AX-52 does 40 damage unmodified. A real 7.62x39 cartridge delivers roughly 1,500 ft-lbs of energy to the target at 100 yds, or 2,100 joules.
2,100/40=52.5 joules, or 38.7 ft-lbs.
My current build for the AX-52 does 715 damage, with a 65% chance of multiplying that by 5.3 if it crits. That’s 37,535.5 joules, or 27,686.2 ft-lbs, with a chance of being 198,948.75 joules, or 146,737 ft-lbs.
It’s not too hard to hit over a million damage in Warframe. Keep in mind, our basic enemies (Grineer Lancer) are wearing about a ton of armor, and we regularly rag doll them and pin them to walls.
@TotallyDapper your effort is impeccable
@@TotallyDapper to be fair lancers are more armour than man. And infestation is straight up just a chunk of animated carbon-mesh steel.
DE has stated that canonically, all Warframes can use any and all abilities of each other. That's what the Helminth system is showing a portion of, just limited in-game for balance reasons. Lavos has the capability to use Redline, Nyx could use Immolate, Qorvex can travel into the Rift, etc, just as effectively as the progenitor of the ability. Keep that in mind when you say that all the Warframes were designed for specific functions; what it means is that the Warframe of each type inspired new techniques and applications of power for all the others.
Wait when have they stated this ?😂 And why can't I do it in game ?
Yeah, I'm going to need a source for this.
@@PenOfEvilwhile we're waiting for a source we can look at the helminth and yes you can but due to gameplay only 1 ability from 4
@@thegrouchization I'm pretty sure the source is the helminth system
Ballas tuned the Helminth to give each frame its own abilities. By feeding, we can convince the Helminth to re-tune our personal copies to use something different.
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I agree with your statement about the Tenno being rusty.
I mean that's the entire point of the quest you wake up and don't remember anything. However, you clearly overlooking that fact that mastery rank is Actually extremely important to get a grasp or gauge on how skilled or powerful a Tenno is. A Tenno can only rise in rank if they master a certain number of frames, weapons, and other things yet that alone is not enough to rank up, it's only enough to get the Lotus to offer you he chances to rank up. You first have to prove you have mastery over a certain Tenno art or skill before the Lotus allows you to rank up such as stealth or hacking.
The Point of the mastery test both functions as a gameplay and story way of showing how much your Tenno have grown or how much they are starting to remember since they've been awakened, so after like mastery rank 5 or higher I wouldn't call the Tenno rusty because they're clearly starting to remember how uses stealth, their weapons, ect.
However, I strongly disagree with you dismissing the Tenno's battlefield tactician abilities simply because they're children or appear so.
This is like saying Naruto and Killua can't fight or plan ahead because they are kids.
Yes, the Lotus or other mission control individual helps with Tactician by giving hints, but if it wasn't clear by now the Tenno biggest strength is their adaptability. They can easily use any weapon, frames, gear and make it work, and the Tenno constantly adapt to their enemies and uses their strengths and the enemy's weakness to control the battlefield, not just their abilities.
The Custodes might be intellectually superior, but that doesn't make them more adaptable, not only are they not forced into as many situations where they have to instantly adapt or face threats they literally never faced before (Been fighting the same enemies for like 20-30k+ years), they literally refuse to adapt to face the enemy, greatest example is the imperium refusing to use Gauss weapons despite the fact they are clearly stronger and more advance or any other xeno weapon or tech for that matter. Hell, they've been using nearly the same weapon without upgrading them for God knows how long.
The Tenno are able to adapt when facing Eximus units and nullifiers and even when the Tenno face new threats, they almost immediately find a way to deal with it such as the infested, necramechs, the murmur, and most notable the Sentients.
Multiple factions have invented specifically anti-Tenno tech or units, and they still struggle to win against lone Tenno's due to their adaptability and mid-battle tactical mind, not just might because if abilities or weapons alone were the problem then we wouldn't be able to beat Kuva Liches or Sisters, especially if they are backed by eximus units. Literally every threat the Tenno face gets more strange, unpredictable, and abstract such as Void Angels or the Fragmented One yet the Tenno still are able to adapt to the challenge as if they've been fighting them for years.
Didn't mean to rant.
I really like when some characters are called "genius", like Superman or Custodes in their lore. It is always a placeholder. It brings nothing to the table. At best no actual difference between a "genius" and a professional in any given situation, at worst they boringly fall for a well thought out plan made by usual humans.
You know, they'd fight for a good while, then the technocyte and tyranids would form some sort of super hybrid race, then shit would hit the fan like no other
@@mcorqeneral886 then everybody loses😂
@@PenOfEvil ill take a 2nd darksector; fuck it.
Isn't the Tenno reaction time like relativistic-lightspeed?
I don't understand or see why you gave speed (reaction speed or general) to the Custode when the Tenno can block and dodge lasers, photon beams, electricity/lightning, and shots from light energy cannons, examples being the flux rifle, Glaxion, Amprex, and Opticor, all weapons used against them by different corpus enemies that they can block with any melee weapon.
Too add, the Tenno can dodge lighting spawned by Hydrolyst and the lightning made by a netracell keyglyphs and even though in gameplay it shows you where it's spawning using a big circle on the ground, I doubt lore wise the Tenno get the luxury of such and just have to rely on instants and reflexes.
Then there's the fact the Tenno perform task on giant kilometers commercial or dreadnought long ships within minutes, literally running across mile long ships completing complex task in under 10 minutes only to rinse and repeat. This isn't even considering complications like enemies or traps.
None of the speed feats even go to specific Warframes or Tenno and this is just a general Tenno/Warframe capability, let alone Warframe that have speed buffing abilities.
Just because the Tenno SPRINT speed isn't faster doesn't make them slower because they clearly have a faster reaction speed, and the Tenno parkour velocity combine with their agility and mastery of acrobatics makes them capable of being much faster.
As a fan of both series, it's hard to take some of the exploits of Custodes at face value. Some of their feats are physically impossible with even a rough approximation of a human lifeform. Just the time it would take an electrical impulse to travel the distance from your eye to your brain to your arm would take longer than that claimed reaction time. They would need to have a nervous system that was based on enirely different physical systems than electrical impulses to have that kind of reaction time.
They can still fight with half of their brain out, I'm pretty sure that their body isn't """Normal""" anymore. If they're close to the Primarch, their organs are not even recognisable.
This right here. A big part of warhammer lore is also what was wrote down by others. Ofcourse Big E's personal bodygaurds are going to be absolutely nuts, but they arent stronger than a primarch. Every time something like that comes up I compare it with a primarch. When even Jagathai cant break the sound barrier with his speed, I doubt any custodian can.
I absolutely agree, yet I think this is a problem of fantasy in general: It does not comply with the laws of reality. Like, why are the custodes-abilities less credible than warframe-abilities? Why is there separate electric and magnetic damage in warframe? In reality, you cannot have one without the other.
Anyway, comparing different fantasy universes to each other is always fun, but a bit futile. When I thought about the topic years ago, corrosive projection was still a thing aka. 4 cp = full armor-strip. To me that meant that just by spawning in the warhammer universe, 4 warframes equiped with corrosive projection would simply disintegrate every single other factions armors instantly. Now, if that sounds more logically convincing than the custodes... Aaaaaand I am not sure I want to see custodes without armor.
@@johannalvarsson9299 "why are the custodes-abilities less credible than warframe-abilities" this is because of the source of the info. Reality is we actually know very little actual truth from the warhammer universe, in terms of numbers etc. Almost everything is written down by someone who heard it from someone else or recorded by someone who thinks if you stick your arm up far their rears far enough you will touch big E himself.
A good example is how record keepers on Terra mark Custodian missions as "successful" even before they left to go complete the mission.
Info from the warhammer universe is unreliable at best (especially when it concerns the imperium). Are the custodians strong af? Yes. Can they lift 300+ tons? doubt it. A boeing 747 weights around 300tons.
Google what that looks like and realise that a custodes is 3-5 feet taller than a human.
Now here is the thing; if you search for it, no where is it ever stated they can lift 300 tons.
Im gonna be honest here, I had this MASSIVE tangent typed out comparing a custodian lifting 300 tons to ANGRON struggling to pick up 200 tons of warhound titan (i know they weigh 400ish, but it had one leg on the floor so its weight was AT LEAST 50/50 and that he was weakened beforehand) till I realised why that 300 tons kept annoying me SO goddamn hard.
Turns out @Pen Of Evil did an oopsie with his math. 324000 Pounds is NOT 324 tons. Its 162 tons, which makes it much more believable because the average custodian is NOT stronger than fucking ANGRON and everyone can lift FAR heavier weight than they are capable of gripping or punching but 300 was just too goddamn much.
BTW 300 tons is a boeing 747.
Ya know you are the first to catch that 😂😂 that definitely is a mistake
“You can’t kill the Devil”
Even in death the Tenno are not defeated. Individual Warframes may be destroyed but they as a force are immutable.
you forgot that most of warframes game mechanics are canon in universe, like modding , the revives , codex , the orbiter , the tenno very much are as good as the player is in the game , in turns of how they learn or master stuff , mastery rank kinda indicate there's skill or potential of there suff ,
Forgot a very important one: the Foundry. Because the Foundry is also canon, it's entirely possible to mass produce Warframes. Since Dojos are already canon (Source: Codex), we can also assume that Clans are canon, and that the members of each Clan are also canon. There are insanely high numbers of Warframes available to fight at all times, even when they only tend to form small squads.
@@Tyme_Whyrlwyndyeah the custodes are fucked once a nove or [insert nearly any frame name] shows up
@Tyme_Whyrlwynd FINALLY someone siting sources yessss
@Tyme_Whyrlwynd and i concur so it'll be more like a 2 3 or 4 v 1
@@Tyme_Whyrlwynd the real defense is that they can hide in their cloaked orbiter (yes that is why the Galleons don't just shoot you); and attack via a proxy army of specters and frames. with the late-game ass-pull of the void which auto-wins if we include the multiverse.
Custodes are absurdly powerful, but it would take a small army of them to keep up with one squad of any given frames. Just by sheer endurance: tenno simply DON'T tire. They don't stop. In canon they don't run out of power. Operators can keep going indefinitely, too.
Speed: any average frame can easily move faster than the eye can see, and has reflexes that border on lightspeed.
Versatility: the environ adaptability of every frame is pretty much waltzing through anything the custodes has trained through.
Tactics: keep in mind the tenno aren't 'just' children. They spent millenia in a hyperdream with combat training and strategy being pumped directly into their subconscious. Tenno ARE warframes in that sense.
Strength: the average warframe can rip citadels apart easily. Buildings so strong they held STARS inside them. A custodes isn't out muscling a frame.
You've majorly lowballed the frames.
I'm gonna have to disagree with the operators can keep going indefinitely. An operator is essentially a living infinite battery of void energy. Yet going off Tyl Regor quote: "Getting tired tenno? Getting sleepy? Well I can go all day and night long." Essentially they'll never get physically tired, yet they do get sleepy and would take a break to take a nap.
@@gold_chi4446i mean that can just be interpreted as banter really, he seems to be taunting us. That isn’t an indication of if Tenno really sleep or not lol
@williamashrafzadeh3701 well they do after new war if you play just the normal and not steel path, that is just the tenno dreaming of the past, or at least, I think that's what lotus said, so they do dream..... of they're job in the past.
@@gold_chi4446 Eh, Tyl Regor is pretty egomaniacal despite barely being a speedbump of a boss within the lore of Warframe.
As I recall, the greater issue Tyl Regor represented was his work as a scientist reversing the genetic degeneration of the Grineer.
Theres a duality to a warframe if any frame dies well then you half to deal with a teno an immortal being able to disintegrate a grinner whos wearing armor heavier than a space marines in an instant and theres no dodging void energy when it can manipulate the fabric of time, reality and matter itself
One thing you should keep in mind is that until Robute came back the setting 99.9% of Custode stayed on Terra and only the Black Cells Wardens went off planet to bring things back for their cells. Yes they had the chaos gate under Terra to monitor and their Blood Games but no long term combat exposure.
Warframes all the day and that's coming from someone who has Custodian army (gold is my fav color to paint)
Hells I would call Operator mini Star Child because how OP they are lorewise
Funny yo ushould mention that...the operator is called star child for a brief time in one quest...
@neowild Oh yeah, was that Chains of Harrow?
@@Keram-io8hvthe sacrifice, after ordis gets that upgrade thing.
@@Keram-io8hvSacrifice. Ordis gets an 'upgrade' and temporarily starts calling us that.
@zachialadams9279 I shoulf replay it it has been 6 years
all you need is just a banshee, she can silence any ability in a wide range, expose weakpoints, and make any weapon silent, the custodes just won't see/hear what hit them. Also, warframes can use the nukor, a weapon that literally causes cancer in real time and make it explode, just to name one weapon.
Should also state; the Old War, and the fall of the Orokin, are two different things. The first was when the frames were debuted and shown off for what they could do, the second was what they were truly capable of.
To put it into perspective, if you transplanted the Orokin into Warhammer, and gave them even a fraction of the Imperium's resource pool, the Orokin win Warhammer. Full stop. They had tech that would make NECRONS jealous, and had unlocked multiple forms of straight up immortality. There are only a few thousand frames. All-in-all probably less frames than the custodes.
It took them A DAY to lay low the Orokin empire. And I don't mean wreck it and terrify the survivors.
I mean the entirety of the Orokin AS A SPECIES went from 'is' to 'was' in a day. An entire race of technogods, poof.
You have DRASTICALLY undersold the warframes' capacity for sheer domination. The custodes would be cooked. In some cases literally.
See normally I'd agree if every instance of Warframes power wasn't assumed. People literally assume that rhino can stop time because of a game mechanic and that just doesn't make sense nor is that stated anywhere. The adeptus custodes winning even though it's not by too much makes sense. As people assume once a Warframe does something they can do it on Superman's level and that just isn't true.
@@PenOfEvil Aye i found your channel by accident, pretty cool stuff.
The thing with Rhinos stomp is that it isn't just mere assumptions, it's more so a logical conclusion with what we are given. The guy is the heaviest frame in the game as stated by devs, so by proxy. His abilities should reflect that. And it does. This logically would mean that his force stomp contained enough force to create a black hole effect. Mass so dense in an area it warps space time. Also the "disrupt thing" it's a broad term. and what he is disrupting is time. By stopping enemies mid air and every debri with them
It isn't that far fetched, since every ability in game is a nerfed version of what it actually is. It has been stated in multiple leverians, in trailers and Ballas admissions. If that sounds flimsy and 1 time things. We have 2 cases of warframes genuinely showing off that what we got is the nerfed version. Kullervo and Koumei. Kullervo was jumping on walls throwing fan knives, creating clones that fly mid air and throw Daggers and swords that explode, he also has a burst out attack of shooting lasers out of every wound he has. And he spams those abilities non stop same with koumei literally doing right now.
And koumei actively showing that the in game version is practically nothing compared to what she does. Aka full fate manipulation, future sight and even matter generation out of that possibility of a future. If were arguing all of that is game mechanics.
Then me doing 4 billion damage should 1 shot a good chunk of fictional universes. Damage that can be done casually by banshee.
If those 2 recent ones aren't enough to convince that the ones used in game are nerfed as hell. Protea casually rewinding time in the quest should be there too. And all she does in game is be engineer with tracer rewind.
There was also limbo who was casually just jumping planet to planet and we know that isn't 1 time thing as his story shows. He was doing it so much he had confidence in his own math to not be wrong. And what was in game was more than what he let on. Dimensional manipulation on levels that wouldn't be enough to jump planets casually. and from earth to mars is anywhere from 33.9 million miles (54.6 million km) to 250 million miles (401 million km). Mars and earth were 3 of his pieces was located.
As everything in game points to. They can spam that and the only reason they dont is because they seem to be the only ones in warframe with insane amounts of empathy and forgiveness. And the fact that every faction has a gun pointed at a colony the tenno is trying to protect.
Edit: ive seen people being wonky with Atlas feats, while the unreliable narrator is kinda sorta there. What he did is still there. A petrified head of one of the cultists was found in the edges of the solar system. The lowest of the low if we measure the distance from Veil proxima to earth is 2,000 astronomical units. and estimations say it's 100,000 units at high ends from the sun.
As the the dustign thing, i find it hard to believe that a 3rd party would lie about that since they would have experience severe damages if even a chunk of the meteor was left. The orokin would lie about it if it did damages but they weren't the source.
Why bother with the comparison? Tenno are immortal. Literally. They respawn. And they can respawn their warframes. Even if the Custodes could match the warframes (they can't) they tenno would win through attrition.
Technically yes, small scale battles are fun though:)
Small scale, custodes would win. But a war, honestly it's much closer, but there would 100% be a Warframe built at some point to defeat custodes, likely focusing on crowd control to separate the custodes and heavy damage to get through that perfect golden armor.
We have to throw in everything warframes have just as added benefits to make it fair. Small scale or not the still have revives, operaters that can avoid all forms of harm to revive other warframes, things like shield gating and overguard coupled with invulnerability, 7 revives with arcanes, weapons and abilities that can ignore armor and do damage directly to health and emense crowd control on most if not all warframes. Granted not every warframe can do the same amount of damage or crowd control or move as fast as others but they can share their buffs and strength and they have access to an arsenal that can still destroy heavily armored ships with one shot or swing from most weapons. I mean if you look at someone like valkyr, not all her abilities really feel like they work together in the game but still she can go into a bloodlust frenzy mode where she doest take damage at all and then procede to do damage that bypasses armor completely. And seeing as they work in squads the valkyr can rely on supports like trinity that also has abilities that can strip armor and redirect damage back to foes all while not being restricted in her combat capabilities. Overall no matter how strong of a soldier you have, if you get reduced to having no armor and you weapons dont do anything you can only resort to melee combat with your body itself, all while your body is being broken down by some type of damage you can clear fast enough to make a difference with how fast it can be applied.
With Mag's control over metal I'll give the custodes time until they enter the range of her 4'th. Beyond that... Aoi gets some new material for her cards. 😉
This is a super fun clash. I would’ve never thought to pin these two powerhouses against each other.
I only just started getting into warhammer lore and it’s actually amazing! But we can’t really compete. Like you said there are thousands of pages of lore for warhammer. Warframes story in itself is over a decade of developer and community ideas built on top of each other. The developers don’t know what direction to take it until the day they start creating it.
I don’t know who’ll win but I’m ride or die team warframe!
Thank you, I appreciate the watch!
"Eternalism" was a glorious idea. Simply lampshading "need time for game-developement, do not care about consistant lore."
Banshee, Octavia, Frost, Mag.
Banshee: Uses Silence to nullify all abilities of the Custodes and dampen their fighting capabilities.
Octavia: Grants invisibility to the entire team, as well as buffing damage.
Mag: Fries any electronics that the Custodes uses to even further disable their fighting capabilities.
Frost: Permanently freezes the Custodes in place until they die.
The only Warframe I can think of that would barely do anything to the Custodes is Nyx given that she uses psychic abilities which the Custodes are immune to.
regarding Nyx I would say kinda, since two abilities she has doesn't rely on mind control, psychic bolts debuffs enemy armor to the point of making them be naked and her absorb can both make her the most tankier and higher damage frame if used right, but yeah, even the one with the least options to deal with a custode could wipe their asses, and that squad combo you made could also slaughter them with little issue.
if we include the sisters of silence we get to see who has the higher range on their null; im guessing banshee.
main issue is the naval assets. which the custodes have exceptional ones and the orbiter is perma-invis.... so yea.... that'll be an eventful whatever tf as the railjack gets auto-withdrawn repeatedly and the Custodes can't find the mobile invisible pod that it keeps rearming at.
Not really, the Custodes use their own Dreadnoughts and Hovertanks
So if Nyx were to, say, Absorb a direct blast from one...
Well current nyx, yeah, when update nyx comes out, not at all, passive being 200% crit chance. Psychic bolts bouncing of others and stealing armor so no longer just Psychic. Absorve not just taking damaged aimed at her but all damage around her then blast it? Perfect, they're fucked!
Also current nyx could win if there's more enemies then just Custodes. A basic solder? Now stronger then a Custode with a single mind control. It's just not really that useful in high rank warframe because the enemies weapons are meant to aim at the tenno so it's not usually scale for millions of damage because the tenno don't have millions of health. While the steel path enemies having thousands to hundreds of thousands? That's why mind control gives a boost to scale for the enemies we usually fight, the enemies health like the greenier, made to actually kill them.
cool vid and imma sub cause i liked some of the editing, if you're gonna use lore accurate custodes and try and scale their feats to real life then you gotta do the same for the tenno and their frames and some of them get crazy
@@omega..7 Thanks for the sub! I scaled the Atlas feat directly but the biggest problem I think is that Warframes have powerful concepts but no proof of going any further than what is needed. Custodes fight things that imagine themselves stronger and it happens. Warframes just don't do that.
@@PenOfEvilthere's alot of em that don't need too much thinking and a few you completely ignored really though for excal yare n 4 mb 5 others I get
@@PenOfEvil yea; then you have limbo who beats about everything including himself via self-delete.
@@PenOfEvil atlas destroyed an asteroid that was going to kill all life on earth in 1 punch, nekros raises the dead to fight for him and makes them stronger, limbo has control over an entirely separate dimension, protea created a pocket dimension where time didn't seem to pass in the middle of the void, nova just has anti matter, and chroma is stated to be the strongest frame as he killed every single one sent to hunt him.
@@PenOfEvil also i love the orks they are da boiz but a lot of their feats and abilities have been memed up by the community and then taken seriously by people coming in, myself included and a lot of this was done accidentally by weshammer as he talks about in a video, the strongest ork rn ghazghkull and the strongest ever were kroks but they haven't shown up since the war in heaven but there was the demi kroks after the horus heresy that were killed eventually.
I love da boiz an der big blastas but sadly they don't actually turn into a tank by chanting loud enough : [
You have not taken into consideration that, unlike novels spoken from perspectives, ability descriptions and codex entries are quite factual.
And before we play the perspective game, we do have unreliable narrators just like warhammer 40K, in the leverian and synthesis entries.
But codex and ability descriptions have no interpretations.
Rhino DOES stop time with a stomp on command, mag DOES have the ability to induce magnetic properties into non magnetic materials like bones. Its part of their ability descriptions. Not from the perspective of an individual in the setting.
What's my proof that anything in-game is lore accurate? How about the fact that the game will screw with the menus during story sequences or maybe how umbra literally dragged the operator out of the camera in-game. The requirement to re-login during the new war quest after being hurled into the void.
Btw costodes got murked by thunder wartiors and eldar harlequins.
Edit: just to add on here. I do not believe atlas destroyed an asteroid as described and key features were probably omitted as this was a story in the leverian. It also came from sources other than drusus leverian himself based on his comments regarding the acquisition of artifacts. So the leverian story would not hold up due to hearsay.
Disrupt time does not mean stop time. Other than that I don't disagree with you. I disagree when these powers are inflated to the point of absurdity with no proof. I used math to determine the custodes powers, everything was meant to be logical and unbiased. I've just talked to several people who think the Warframes can blow up planets and that just isn't true.
{Edit: just to add on here. I do not believe atlas destroyed an asteroid as described and key features were probably omitted as this was a story in the leverian. It also came from sources other than drusus leverian himself based on his comments regarding the acquisition of artifacts. So the leverian story would not hold up due to hearsay.}
This i disagree with due to this statement
"For years, historians felt this 'Tale of Telamon' quite improbable, an artifact of Orokin propaganda-myth.
Then, on our system's outer edge, we found a debris field of small rocks and dust in a lazy elliptical orbit. Upon these rocks, we find the remains of peculiar stone statuary. The petrified figures, clearly Temple members, have been frozen into a tableau of struggle and death.
Or was it, perhaps, a dance? This remarkable find forces us to rethink the entire tale as fact."
it shows that it was not believed in universe until proof of it was found, so to call it hearsay is wrong
@@datboy1628 I believe the asteroid was destroyed not that it was done so in the whole one punch way. Also drusus is a historian looking to inspire others in his line of study. While he found the asteroid pieces and frozen temple members. He was not there when it all went down. As I said he was recounting a story told to him. Key features and moments that actually occured is unknown.
I would like to know how someone survived on that asteroid given apparently atlas was observed feeling the ground and making his strike. Atlas would not have said anything about it, so who tf survived long enough to observe that and somehow escape?
@thwartgorgon6063 @thwartgorgon6063 I didn't say it was done in a one punch way but to completely disregard it is just silly because it is heavily implied that Atlas was the one that destroyed it based on in-universe evidence plus it wasn't just him that found it as he said 'we'
So you would have to provide in-universe evidence or a very strong evidence to claim that it could have been anything else
And I don't understand your second point, the people who Atlas saved and the Orokin would have wrote it down plus are you forgetting that this happened during the height of the Orokin empire?
Are you going to tell me that they wouldn't have had a telescope or something to monitor Atlas?
@thwartgorgon6063 I didn't say it was done in a one punch way but to completely disregard it is just silly because it is heavily implied that Atlas was the one that destroyed it based on in-universe evidence plus it wasn't just him that found it as he said 'we'
So you would have to provide in-universe evidence or a very strong evidence to claim that it could have been anything else
And I don't understand your second point, the people who Atlas saved and the Orokin would have wrote it down plus are you forgetting that this happened during the height of the Orokin empire?
Are you going to tell me that they wouldn't have had a telescope or something to monitor Atlas?
I think either of the 2 can win from the other depending on your interpretation. We know a tenno can survive being shot into an asteroid base at about 1000 meters/second without suffering any damage to themselves, the archwing or their weapons. If you can survive that, there really is not much else you can try to throw at them to kill the tenno.
At the same time, they can (in game) die from being hit with an electric stick a couple of times.
Also, so many of the frames can manipulate something either in or around the custodes to completely nullify their hope of survival, the most notable being limbo's rift. But all the other frames have significant abilities as well. Now there will probably be some who's abilities won't do much against a custodes, like ash or garuda, but that just leaves them with an arsenal of everything-desintegrating weapons, AND we also know tenno are actually extremely capable warriors. We know from the sacrifice quest frames retain almost no will of their own, at the same time voruna canonically murdered an entire group of orokin performing a continuity ritual. We know lavos, for all intends and purposes, survived the jade light and slaughtered almost everyone there, which includes some of the most elite orokin in existence. Specifically voruna's feat, who we know usually always protected the orokin, must mean the tenno were already controlling the frame and so we can reasonable assume most tenno have serieus fighting experience in both the orokin era and the current era.
Also, mag could just kinda crush them before they had a chance to do anything so
or, I doubt they could survive the sun with wisp
or be stuck underwater indefinitely by yareli
or be stuck underwater indefinitely by hydroid
or get out of grendel
or survive a facial of antimatter thanks to nova
or be stuck in limbo's pocket dimension
or have their fates turned by koumei
or be turned by an infection that could eat the tyranids for breakfast by nidus
Wow, just WOW. Custodes are friking beast almost beyond logic, but dwarfing Warframe like that make me wonder how long did you play the game. Any Warframe can cut bullet mid air and Excalibur has canonicaly light speed reaction time (But I don't make the same mistake as you did to think that reaction = speed, I can see a formula 1 coming at me but can I dodge it ?).
And thinking that only Atlas is an heavy hitters in the game is wrong (Rhino is toughter the more you hit him, same for Chroma).
We're talking about being capable of INVINCIBILITY frame trought the action of the Void, and if you launch and let fall a Custodes from an orbit, I don't know how he will finish but this will be nothing for a Warframe. And Tenno are Energy being and can't die.
And Warframe don't fight thing stronger than them ? Just the Infestation. That's a threat far worse than the Nids wich is already nightmare stuff.
I think that you are a little bit too one sided in your conclusion.
I respect your opinion, but where did you get the lightspeed reaction time from genuinely curious
@@PenOfEvil I think they're referring to the death battle calculation during the Excalibur vs Raiden fight, but I don't think that was a light beam, but a Void beam.
Either way the Tenno can block and dodge lasers, photon beams, lightning /electricity light energy cannons (E.g. Flux Rifle, Glaxion, Amprex, Opticor, ect) and can dodge lightning from the Hydrolyst and the Netracell Conductive Keyglyph so they should be at least relativistic to lightspeed in reaction and reflexes and maybe even parkour speed/velocity.
@@PenOfEvil I mean, i can give you one. Tenno are canonically able to block lasers with swords. Even at near point-blank range.
Tenno and The Imperium would become best freiends from their shared hatred of everything from Tau.
Baruuk is one tapping the chapter after he loses some restraint.
You either know nothing of warframe or are incredibly biased.
"React at speed of light" is the source for this info reliable? (it IS the wh universe afterall) and, even if it is, i have never heard of a single custodian able to move at that speed. No primarch and not even the emperor can, so they will basically just be able to see the guy move at them and nothing else.
Warframes have a shitload of battle xp, they fought the infested and the Orokin (which made daot humans look pitiful in return). The only way warhammer wins is through attrition and a few assassins managing to find the actual tenno and kill them before they can do anything.
Warframe powerscale is nuts, its just in a much smaller setting.
Oh and I forgot, void power is NOT warp energy so all those fancy tech wh uses and resistances they have are worthless.
Everyone is biased, I undoubtedly love Warframe more than Warhammer so I had to check myself while making this video. Check out the rest of my channel. Remove the game mechanics and truly analyze the lore and then you'll most likely come to a similar conclusion. My verdict is not to serve as the "end all be all" that wasn't its intention. As for sources trust me I could've made this video 2 hours long but you, nor most of any else would have sat here for 2 hours 😂
@@PenOfEvil ye, after typing i saw another of your vids on recommended. In scale and with proper preperation, a group of custodians might be able to take out lone Warframes. Best way I think it could go is like that one Astartes video where those 2 psyckers (obviously stronger than average marine) get their shit wrecked because of numbers. Now imagine that except those two were WILDLY stronger and capable of crazy stuff.
In terms of raw physical strength, a custodian would be able to overpower the frames that werent designed to deal with physical prowess but if that frame manages to use its powers *at all* that custodian is royally screwed (When they come across actual physical frames, like Rhino, they are done).
Friendly reminder that rhino can stomp the ground with so much physical force that he literally stops/slows time in an area around him. No void trickery, no warp magic, pure strength.
The power scaling in warframe is DESIGNED to win on almost any 1 v many scale. The ONE time that they will lose, is an ambush against crazy high numbers who end the fight as fast as possible and know exactly what they are going up against.
Also, warframe tech > warhammer tech by FAR.
@@lekrieg8618 then in that case I agree but I still think that Custodes win against almost half of the frames as a large amount of them are useless in lore and sometimes in gameplay. The scaling in Warframe is sporadic and uneven. Some Warframes are superheroes others are just normal super soldiers.
@@PenOfEvil oh before i forget, thats literally just the frame. Not their weapons.
Who could forget the Synoid Simulor, a gun that fires.. *singularities*
or the Glaxion... a gun that HALTS MOLECULAR VIBRATIONS; IE: anything the beam touches gets frozen to absolute 0. Good luck dealing with that.
Then there is also the Redneck Microwave but we dont talk about that one.
I know you were considering lore and not actual gameplay, but fun fact, the vazarin school alone makes a warframe literally invincible
Seeee I don't consider gameplay because of invincibility mechanics and what not, because what does that mean. Like would you say a Warframe can fight superman? No. So it's a bit redundant. If you can tell me what exactly can that "invincibility" tank then we can have a debate.
@PenOfEvil ye ik, and i know almost nothing about the warhammer franchise. And i just said it as a funny fact, how it's good to base power levels on lore and not on gameplay. If we were to base it on gameplay we would have to consider the bugs too , ye thats not happening.
@botondbodnar6570 fair I do wanna consider it in my next vid just in case there is no lore though. I appreciate the comment 🙏
What i wanna know now is the conversation the man in the wall would habe with the chaos gods?
First would probably be M̴ ̸A̵ ̶R̸ ̸A̶ ̴L̵O̸H̸K̴?̷?̴?̷?̷?̵?̴?̵
Then the chaos gods would be consumed.
Sorry to say, but Wally is just way beyond what any of the big 4 are capable of. Ya know the Deep Warp theories? Yeah that's Wally. The chaos gods tether to concepts we can at least wrap our minds around, and they gain strength through that.
The Man in the Wall doesn't do that. It doesn't need to. It's called the Indifference because it doesn't really need our universe to exist.
We have no info on what wally can't do or is so that fight is impossible
for all we know Wally is Tzeentch.
@@PenOfEvil but we know he's the very reason we have crossplay. Fucking with the real world and combining everyone's realities is kinda hard core ngl
@@PenOfEvilwe don't know the full extent of his power save for the fact he can collapse someone's multiple realities into just 2 and give one of those 2 immortality. And wally is the void given thought after Albrecht would be the first thing there, so he is literally a sentient dimension.
It's absolutely confirmed that Albrecht went back in time 10,000 years. He did so at the hieght of the Old War before the fall of the Orokin.
This places Warframe 'roughly' smack dab in the early years of the 'Dark age of Technology' 13th-15th millennium.
Lore accurate Warframes, particularly the crazier ones, would mop the floor with an Astartes. Also warframes are hollow, and when opened their insides evaporate into the void.
Lore accurate Tenno Operators are as strong as psykers can get, and thanks to their faucian bargain with the void, all versions of the tenno were made as one with the void, all their timelines, realities, and alternate universes collapsed into a single superpositioned being that's essentially a perpetual. Behind each Warframe is a Tenno about as powerful as Malcador.
Big difference is numbers and tactics. Tenno are literally ghosts (in that they're Ninjas, and only a few of them), and still are on a lore level.
Universe vs universe, Warframe is a single star system, unable to use the Void/Warp for travel, the Imperium would mop up the place quick.
I agree with most but as strong as malcador is an extreme leap tenno are gods but malcador is leagues past anything we've seen or heard of them doing
The actual scale of power is vastly different though. All the Orokin would need is resources, and suddenly they win. The whole start of the old war in Warframe was a fight over the resources of a new system. If the Orokin figured out void travel, warp travel would be an easy translation. Once that was done, they'd just lay waste to EVERYTHING in thier path in Warhammer. Keep in mind, the Orokin outpace NECRONS in sheer technological power. And despite the vid, warframes stomp the Warhammer universe. Dude seriously low-balled the frames' actual capacity for violence.
@neko-zq2mv a single tenno held back the entire Void for millenia. Every operator is entirely immortal, and the player operator ripped a continent-sized ship out of multiple realities, created a extradimensional ex-temporal acausal space, and transposed psychic powers onto thousands of children all at exactly the same time, in every single version of every conceivable reality they had access to. I'd wager that's comparable to anything Malcador did at least.
When was the time travel "distance" (for lack of a better term) confirmed? Because all sources I'm aware of paint Warframe's point in the timeline as being ambiguous (the Tennocon demo this year even poked fun at the ambiguity when it transitioned to the Railjack section, cycling between saying Years, Centuries, Millennia, then ???, before just settling on "Later").
@thegrouchization comic confirmed Albrect traveled roughly 10,000 years, he left during the old war. Old war happened at least 3000 years before Vor's Prize. Could be any amount longer tho. 13,000 years is a 'minimum'
limbo casts cataclysm and stasis! the battle is over!
also the fact that a weapon can be voidtouched, become incarnon and completely change its functionality out of thin air is something that is so underrated in all of these videos
The custodes have a incredible advantage when it comes to strength, but there’s one warframe that isn’t mentioned here, Nidus, a perfection of both worlds, warframe and infestation. And if you know what the infestation can do you’d know the custodes wouldn’t stand a chance.
Before we talk strength remember, Atlas punched apart an asteroid big enough to end life on earth apart with his hands. An asteroid big enough to apparently have life support on it and people dancing out in the open. assuming that was just a myth, rhino can canonically hit the ground so hard that *time stops*
I'm sorry, but the Custodes aren't even on par with the physically weaker frames. Custodes can swat away a tank, Excalibur can swat away the tank, the five behind it, and the phalanx of dreadnoughts behind that.
@@Codaaaa1187I thought, it was just a fary tale. Isn't it?
@@Mark-qk5sr The Atlas thing? It's a real event, though it wasn't as simple as him just punching the rock and it breaking. He had assistance from an army of Rumblers to soften the rock up first.
@ Where’d you find that information?
Would disagree - the current state of the lore of warframe clearly makes a distinction between 2 operators that pilot warframes - tenno and the drifter, later of which can just rewind „casuality” or some similar shenanigans just to achieve unachievable goal basing on the rule of as many attempts as necessary (even infinite number of attempts - from which the Drifter possibly emerged).
To sum it all up, whenever the warframe loses, bang - lets do it again but differently
Another thing - tenno are canonically immortal:
„You cannot kill the Devil, Tenno, but you can send it back to hell.” From which they came back together with more HAXED version of themselves
Versatility: Custodes Perfect all, Warframe Perfect one. 1v1 might be a difficult fight but a team deathmatch Warframes might just win, if we consider the abnormal Arsenal they got.
Speed: Reaction speed is not same as movement speed, If pitted against Volt or Gauss, the Custodes will know what hit them, but not catch them.
Tactics: Tenno are the children's, 4 5 schools teach various attributes. Like Naramon is more CQC Melee focused school where the Tenno can retain their Melee combo counter, something that greatly affect the damage output in this era, via mods. The weapon damage along with Warframe abilities are divided into elements, where some elements are strong against something and weak to other (Magnetic can disrupt electronics, Electric is more damaging to robotics,Toxin/Gas deals more damage to the fleshy targets, while Viral straight up just ignores Armour. Then we have a weapon called Hysterix that can switch between the elemental damage at will, and Cedo that's basically launches a highly bouncy frisbee which also tosses vials of all sorts of elemental damage is all directions in its path.
Strength: Warframes and their weapon make up their arsenal. Atlas's punch is obilerate, Rhino's stomp disrupts time, Grendel can vore you, Limbo is untouchable to normal weaponry. Trinity, a support frame can hang you midair and drain your life force to heal and replenish energy for her allies, Xaku can straight up steal your weapon, enhance it and shoot you back with it. Sevagoth has a radial aura that slowly drains your life, while also heavily slowing you down. And something you didn't consider is the Helminth system in Warframes, Tenno can inject a single ability of a Warframe onto the another Warframe.
P.S. I've not played or familiar with the lore of the Adeptus Custodes and other Warhammer 40k, I just happen to have 2k hours in Warframe, comparing to whatever I saw in this video
@@phenex5500 Grendel can't eat eximuses, so I dunno how he would a eat custodes
@@PenOfEvil Only while they have Overguard. Strip that off and Grendel gets to chow down.
@@PenOfEvil Strong ≠ Eximus. Eximus units have technology specifically designed to counter or resist Tenno abilities, most likely void connected itself. Specifically, I'm referring to overguard which is single handedly the most broken and OP thing in Warframe, might go as far to say gameplay and lore wise.
They do not use physical might to power through it.
Even if the Custodians can kill Warframes, the Tenno operators piloting them would remain unharmed, allowing them to go again and again and again. In lore, the Tenno cannot be killed, meaning they would win through sheer attrition.
Ok we have wisp a frame that can open portal to shot heat rays from the sun
Rhino a frame that can somehow stop time by stomping the ground
Nova a frame that uses anti mater
Kullevo who can probably 1 shNot them
Grendel that can just eat them (if he can get close enough)
Revenant who just can't die and the shittiest guns can probably kill a standard Astartes and the strongest ones can maybe kill the emperor
The max dmg in warframe is 7 billion or trillion orsome shit its a -7 somn with a "e" in it (i think)
You must not have played in a while.
Its entire possible, hell its easy, to reach integer limit in terms of damage when you combo certain things.
If thats taken as canon, warframe weaponry have the ability to deal so much damage that any more would be to have *existence* itself break.
@lekrieg8618 i have playd for 500 ish hours but don't know too much combos I just use the base weaponry
@@lekrieg8618 I mean mods are canon so, how far do we push it?
No flash warning at 0:22 ????
That is completely my fault, Ill try and add one 😁
by psychic power alone just the tenno are at primach level, remember in warframe story rell blocked the void from coming to real world emperor fo mankind style for hundred or tousand of years, psychic power of tenno + inhuman strong body of warframe ? they are as strong as primach, and theres thousand of tenno, not to mention tenno practically immortal, adeptus custodes alone cant stop the tenno
Thousands. thousands. thousands.
But somehow, ALL OF THEM was slain as one during New War.
Ethernalism can make them very vulnerable.
@Mark-qk5sr yet they come back
@@Mark-qk5sr They were also fighting their equivalent of the Men of Iron and the subjugated masses of the Sol System while being led by their equivalent of The Emperor.
They also hadn't fully realized their connection with Eternalism *until* the New War and the events in Duviri, their connection with the Drifter illuminated to them their true nature.
@@Mark-qk5sr "But somehow, ALL OF THEM was slain as one during New War" - you mean, their space mom got all of Operators to sleep in the belly of Lua, being confused because of the completion of her life's purpose (destroying Orokin) and being overprotective by her own nature?
@@ComotoseOnAnime Tenno in their point of view have a big problem now, with the Eternalism: they don't remember their past, and because of countless possibilities of this past they have no chance to ever learn the truth of themselves, their real past.
the amount of hax the tenno have is already too much to handle
One limbo and they’re gone. All he has to do is trap them in the rift, wont even need to raise a weapon.
If we are really going to "Warframes Vs. Adeptus Custodes" talk, we must take into account the Eternalism is real... and Tenno will use it to their advantage. This is how you can repeat the same misson in Warframe. The very first battle between Custodes and a warframe? Custodes can win, a warframe can lose. The next one the very first battle between Custodes and a warframe? Custodes has the same no expirience of fighting a warframe, but the Tenno has the expirience of fighting a Custodes, and adjusted their pick of Warframe, weapons and tactics. Do we count a Custodes as a boss? If no, Void Sling + Magus Lockdown, strip Custodes' armor with Shattering Impact, kill with any weapon you like. If it takes more than 4 seconds, repeat the Void Sling.
If we count a Custodes a boss? Not much difference, really.
Tenno are not "kids", they are "devils" (by Ballas, lore accurate). You won't really think of a kid about someone who fought and killed tens of millions enemies by their own hands, not with some mass-destruction systems, right?
And sorry, but the amount of lore doesn't correlate with the battle capability.
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7:19 324.000 pounds is not 324 tons, it is a bit less than 147 tons. Not enough to carry a small building :)
162 tons lol but still enough for a house😂 funny part I had it written down and still got it wrong 😭
i only ever have one thing to say when i see someone try to powerscale anything against warframe, that is, Grendel exists and could just eat whatever you throw at him
if this turned into an all out war let's be real, it won't be a "who would win" it would be a "who gets infested first" scenario. and honestly i don't think the custodes have an answer to the infestation technovirus
Revenant has outright immortality and damage redirection everything they would do to him would instead be done on the custodes and if somehow he does get damaged his hp his won’t go below 2 from which he can regenerate I love warhammer but him alone would cook the entire squad he can turn himself into pure energy that moves so fast he keep up with volt in game and can has mind control so potent it works on the herold of an old god for a short amount of time
In that clash, how many warframes would that universe have? I assume almost every warframe comes an aura-mod equipped?
One thing I should mention, the Imperium is a fallen empire, but also an empire build from the remains of another fallen empire. They're the decaying remains of an empire built on the corpse of humanity's original interstellar empire.
Meanwhile, the Orokin were the original empire of their universe. While they failed to expand beyond a single system, they made attempts. It's just that the sentients decided to rebel after being sent to the tau system.
This is not relevant to the discussion, but indeed is an interesting thought.
@tamop Fair. Could have phrased it better, but was trying to give some context for people only familiar with one setting or the other.
Sisters of battle when they see jade (an actual angel) pull up with oaphimn eyes and rocking glory on high:
Do you know how long they live, they are not kids anymore don't act like kids.
@@MsBlacknight21 no one knows how long they've lived. I know damn well it hasn't been 10 thousand years though.
At minimum we know the tenno were asleep for 1000 years after the fall of the orokin. They are only kids in terms of their bodies which dont age. (Except for the drifter).
The difficult thing is that warframes are so incredibly varied. Could an astartes beat an Excalibur? Probably. Would their shield generators be affected by magnetic status? If we're gonna give the waframes their full arsenal, does that include modding? How does being a master-psyker affect and interact with the tenno's void powers?
My guess is that Warhammer 40k universe in general would be about as difficult for a warframe as the Steel Path. The adeptus custardes would be level cap at least, but I guarantee there are warframes and warframe setups that could kill one with ease.
In a game about "haha funni damage numbers go brrrr" never underestimate their ability to find a way to one-shot something.
I remember we got a confirmation a while back that mods are canon to the lore of the universe, so any Warframe going out would be modded at least somewhat.
@Hagosha oh dear god. That's fucking terrifying.
Keep up the nice videos
Appreciate it
Im not too familiar with the Custodes. Can a Warhammer homie tell me what means they'd possess to counter stuff like being slowed to a complete stop, Invulnerability, armor dissolving/stealing, a sustained beam directly from the surface of the sun, metal manipulation, mass mind control (should be a familiar foe), dead Custodes resurrected - brought back again and again. Tornadoes, being pulled to the depths of the sea (Hydroid), maybe even being teleported into space or another reality (Limbo/Wisp)... I just woke up so i cant list all of them but theres a few for ya.
I feel like the absolute mayhem of Warframes being uncapped from a 4-man squad, to an open battlefield would be insane. They could buff each other to hell and back. That speed from "Volt" and "Wisp" stacking, being applied to many others within who knows how long of a distance if it was lore accurate rather than a game mechanic that needs balancing. There would be so many other effects like invisibility, damage up and resistances, etc. stacked on top of each other that my damn screen would be flooded with buff icons LMAO 😅
Actually? Theres one thing that I could see being huge in such a war. I could see the lot of them being absolutely STACKED in a Warframe mechanic called "Overguard" which is an armor type reserved for elite enemies. It's mostly vulnerable to Magnetic and Void damage. It can nullify "Crowd Control Abilities" (though this is somewhat inconsistent in-game as to what counts as CC) and offers immunity to status effects, knockdowns, oh! Mind control and slow!, Radiation's "confusion" effect, and stuff like stunning. If the Custodes don't already have it from their home turf. I could see them immediately aquiring the means to do so. There's one enemy unit i know of who can regen Overguard to others, so im imagining a whole battlefield of Custodes constantly being topped off with the stuff 😅. At the moment there's only a handful of Warframes who can grant themselves and others Overguard though. There's a weapon augment that grants you Overguard by doing damage to such protected enemies, which I could also see the Custodes appropriating as soon as they reverse-engineer it... 🤔
Good god, it would just be a constant back and forth between who can have and steal the most Overguard 😭. There are an increasing amount of Warframes who can strip that away en masse these days though. Though much like the game being developed, they'd likely over time augment their abilities to grant that to even more Frames. (JESUS, IMAGINE NULLIFIER CUSTODES after they reverse-engineer Corpus tech 💀)
Oooh, i wonder what The Man in the Wall could offer if the Tenno were so pressed. If the Custodes managed to reach The Heart of Deimos and/or Lua... And could the Custodes defeat The Infested plague if it was unleashed on them? (See PenofEvil's previous video "The Infestation vs The Tyranids)
... im still sleepy and i lost track of what i was saying. HOW ARE YOU?? 😊
i mean, the stronger the enemy is, the more octavia's mallet scales
that if we ignore the "eternalism"
I see your defeat state and I raise you one drifty boi saying, "begin again".
I think the observation that new custodes-killer warframes would be made is spot on, most likely it would burst from a different timeline in the hour of need with it's own lore quest and all lol
40k is usually so over the top thay any fiction needs to check itself before even considering if they can compare. The size, the numbers, the sheer plot armor that can be obtained.
Warframe, is not one of these lesser fictions. Each one of these truama bound children is a Malcador/Magnus level reality warper.
The angry puppets they have are biomechanical meat suits honed to specialize their powers. Its meant to cut out the noise and give them focus. If a warframe has come to kill you, this immortal demigod like powered child is playing video games from their 💺 chair and the most you can do is kill the toy they sent.
Lwts be real, yes there things in 40k that could possibly over power the Transferrance. The Emperor, Chaos gods, Necron BS machinery, or perhaps orcs could die so many times to a warframe the kid ends up getting bored.
Its not like we know if a warframe could "shield gate" through an exterminadus, and they probably cant.
Cusstodes i think could kill a warframe, then that kid is gonna throw a fit. Change his loadout, His mindset, and see how high a KPM he can get.
If we mix gameplay and lore of course Id think the Warframes obliterate the custodes. But that isn't the case lore wise, too many assumptions are being made.
Mods are in fact canon, there's no reason to assume they can't shield gate
@@Nauticus7314 so assume they can shield gate and apply that immunity to a completely different universe with no explanation other than being immune. Because of a game mechanic? I think I'm wrong but sheesh I think that's wrong too😂😂
@PenOfEvil it's canon. Yeah it's very lopsided bit it's canon to what they can do so taking that away is nerfing them unfairly
@@Nauticus7314 it's canon on hildryn yes, aside from that I don't think so
I'm sorry but warframes are not at the level of the custodes, they are at primarch level.
First the reaction speed, reaction speed is not the same as movement speed and also running speed is not the same as fighting speed, that you can see something coming doesn't mean you will be able to do something about it, and the max speed you can run does not mean you can move at that speed for everything you do. Meanwhile every warframe can deflect bullets with their swords, and even tho this has limitations I have not read of any custodes being able to deflect bullets at pointblank range like excalibur does in the opening cinematic.
When it comes to strength warframes are strong enough to rip parts off the exploiter orb and submit and ride the ropalolyst with their bare hands, and they can aslo cut through heavy armored enemies like they are nothing and unlike custodes they don't usually use energy blades, they just use really sharp and durable blades so the cut is done through pure strength and skill, wich this brings me to the amout of weight they can lift does not equal to their strength, I can totally see custodes lifting 324 tons, but they can't put all of that behind a punch, there is a lot to consider when it comes to strength, they are still incredibly strong but both are pretty equal or I would even say warframes are stronger since custodes through bioingeneering became the peak of humanity but warframes previously were dax wich already were that and then they got even stronger when infected with the technocyte virus and then even got mechanic enhancements wich gave them pretty much all of the abilities the custodes armor grants, and let's not forget that yes the tenno are children but when they join a warframe or atleast in the old war with the original frames, their mind and the warframes mind became one, we see this with Umbra, or even jade, tho in jades case she took control and the tennos minds was just put to sleep, so they have all the skills and experience of both, plus as far a we know they don't age so it doesn't matter that they are kids, oh and also saying they fought just in two wars is and understatement when you consider their foes and what they had to work with, the sentients are basically the tyranids but worse and they fought them to a stalemate, then with their limited numbers overthrew the orokin empire on their own.
Also there is something that was not mentioned, mods and arcanes and all the other upgrades like forma and such, they are indeed canon, they don't do a one to one what they do in game but they are reallity bending enhancements that can be added to almost everything, meaning that they can grab a present day 9mm and turn it into a 50mm explosive ammo shotgun, an it would still just use 9mm ammo, or give a revolver the ability to shoot twenty bullets even tho you loaded six.
In conclusion the custodes to me are completely outmatched atleast in a one to one against the most basic of warframes like excalibur, I would say they would need atleast 20 to jump him at the same time to beat him.
Warframes are something the grineer can kill albeit with hundreds of them but Warframes get killed and overwhelmed constantly in every war they've been in. And no Warframe except umbra has any usable information in their mind. The custodes may not bend reality but they have certainly defeated many reality bending creatures and demons. But in this video I took away the inconsistencies of both. But I'm not gonna inflate the Warframe to the point of superman with little to no evidence.
@@PenOfEvil Obviously they eventually get overwhelmed, same as custodes and their shield and armor is way better than a warframe that doesn't have a way to enhance them, also grineer are pretty strong and they can also improve themselves with mods, they should not be underestimated, besides how many times warframes have been overwhelmed by grineer? I can count like three at most, again all you have to do is look at warframe cinematics to see they can take them on and dax in great numbers easily, and the wfs do have useful information, they were dax, the elite warrior who have fought in many wars and trained to be the best, at the start of wf you wake up with no memories and their innate knowledge alone is enough to fight your way through the grineer, if that is not useful information then all the custodes training means nothing.
Honestly the whole they have defeated reality bending beings and demons doesn't mean much if they can just get shot with a regular weapon and die, don't get me wrong custodes weapons are formidable but in the end are really big regular weapons, the most special thing they have is the energy blade, same thing goes to warframes tho, I don't think that wfs like limbo are as strong as people say especially since eximus, wich are also canon, can bypass some of their abilities so a custodes would certainly be able to resist them, what I meant when I mentioned mods and arcanes bending reality is that their arsenal is stronger and way more versatile than anything custodes use, a custodes taking various shots to take down something like a lictor does not compare to warframes using a bow to take down a ship.
Also warframes have fought in three conflicts, in the old war they did not get overwhelmed the orokin had to retreat and hide and with the warframes alone they were able to fight back and turn the war in their favor until all the ballas and natah thing happened wich cut the war short, then they completely stomped the orokin at the peak of their power, and then the last conflict is the new war, were they had just a fraction of their arsenal, their numbers were significatly lower than in the past two wars, most of their memories were lost and no army nor fleet or any significant ally that could actually help, so I stand by what I said, 1 warframe is atleast 20 custodes.
The Custodes can definitely beat a couple of Warframes. They're a difficulty far above, say, 60-eyes Fragmented One.
But the annoying thing about the Tenno, as Ballas found out, is tha they are immortal. Almost conceptually so. It's a level of immortality that surpasses even Greater Demons. It's instant, spammable, and worst of all, completely Void powered.
That's the one "weakness" the Custodes will have. Arguably, the Sisters of Silence have a better shot than the Custodes.
The Tenno are Mara Lohk, Void Demons. With rays of CANNOT BE energy that annihilates or corrupts all it touches. A level of corruption that even surpasses some of Chaos. And a laughing, grinning Indifferent Void God looking over his favorite kiddo, making sure the Tenno remains existing until the deal is done.
Because even when Ballas banished the Tenno in the one realm they can get stuck in, the Void just spat them back out no worse for wear.
It would actually be funny if the Tenno were transferred to the 40k universe. Because they WILL drag the Man in the Wall into 40k as well. And the 4 Chaos Gods, and every living and unliving thing in the galaxy will now have to contend with RAP TAP TAPs on their walls.
"It would actually be funny if the Tenno were transferred to the 40k universe. Because they WILL drag the Man in the Wall into 40k as well. And the 4 Chaos Gods, and every living and unliving thing in the galaxy will now have to contend with RAP TAP TAPs on their walls."
Probably not. In WF's universe there were little to none beings who could interact with Wally (cough - finger engine - cough); so we can assume The Double can't or won't interact with 'every living thing' in the galaxy just like that.
Still, there surely will be WH40k beings that will try to look into the Void by their own. Technopriests? Inquisition? Warp beings, demons, races, Gods? Once they meet the eye of the bored Man In The Wall, they're cooked.
@tamop Ah, you have a point friend. But remember, if the Tenno is sent to 40k, they'll be bringing their stuff with them
Which includes the Railjack, and it's void drive. Now, what was the thing inside your Railjack's drive again?
Well, now that a copy of Wally's finger exists in 40k, he is now tied to 40k's Strands of Khra, its time flow. He now has a finger through the door. And with a few well placed Whispers, Rap Tap's and Deals, Wally can work 40k's Untime Door open, slowly but surely.
This is ignoring the other players. The Imperium will not be happy, the Necrons even less. The Chaos Gods will not take the entrance of a new Eldritch God lightly. But I can see Tzeentch assisting the Void. It would bring cataclysmic Change, upend the balance, show unfathomable new knowledge, and would be genuinely funny
@@MorningLightMtn "He now has a finger through the door" Dude you're terrible :D
And basically yes, Tenno now is Wally's window into the real world. And there is no reason to think they'll be the only window forever, so - further or later, tap...
The main question I have is "does armor strip work as expected" we are no strangers to fighting heavily armored enemies, it usually doesn't matter. Also, as a Mag main: is it magnetic? (:
Because your Reaction time won't save you if the Breach Surge Bubble Blender gets your ass.
16:43 are you sure about that? I can outright name the Murmur, the Man in the Wall, the Void Angels, the Archons, Sentient technology specifically designed against Warframes, and even those "man-eating bugs" have a counterpart in Infested
We have no clue how strong the murmur is, archons maybe kinda sort of. Sentients are too weak for me to care😂
@PenOfEvil it's been outright stated that the Sentient tech used in New War was specifically made to counter Warframes via data gathered from the Orphix and Ropalolyst missions
And Archons were made from broken Warframes
@@Necroxion Warframes sole purpose was to kill sentients and they are damn good at it, the archons again I can say how strong they are there isn't too much info other than alluding to their power. Everything about them is a gameplay mechanic
@PenOfEvil except no - that only applies to the earlier frames such as Nidus
Later frames like Gara were designed out of spite for someone who just invented Cephalons, Caliban was specifically made near a later stage using Sentient tech, Revenant, Kullervo, Dante, and Xaku were only altered into their current states _after_ the Sentient war, Inaros was specifically made to be a god-king of Mars before he rebelled, Voruna was made as a personal bodyguard to an Orokin Executor, Titania was made as a personal bodyguard for an Archimedean, Protea as a personal bodyguard for a Corpus, Lavos was altered after the war was over by being introduced to the secrets of alchemy, Vauban was made specifically to hunt Corpus as discussed in his Prime trailer, Dagath wasn't even made as a frontline combatant, but a s3x toy for Orokin (which happened to also have the power to summon death scythes, death horses, and become immortal, while also surviving complete disintegration of the central area of her head), Jade was made as a punishment for forbidden love and wielded the Jade Light which was used for summary executions, Stalker was made as a personal bodyguard for Orokin, Octavia was made to coordinate Tenno armies with "Naga drums", Ash was made to be the patron saint of the Assassins' cult, and Sevagoth was made as a rescue ship operator
If you're going to compare two factions by "sole purpose", at least research what that "sole purpose" actually is
EDIT: and then you missed the fact that there was the first Infested outbreak, which the Tenno participated in containing - so there were also Warframes specifically built to take on Infested, such as Saryn
@@Necroxion Research sole purpose? That is the main plot point of Warframe. Most of the Warframes if not all of them had the idea of them fighting sentients. I'm not saying that there are no other variables to consider. Don't take what I'm saying and act as if I said nothing else was possible, that's just bad faith. The reason why Warframes were created was to defeat sentients, that is common knowledge. Everything in between doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things if they all are capable of that one thing. So again yes they were a weapon created to kill sentients, it became deeper than that but that was their sole purpose. If you don't agree with that then maybe talking to you is a mistake.
As a good Atlas enjoyer, I'd bet he could One Punch any custodian
Pink Rhino for the win. Those over glorified space marines ain’t got a chance brother. If a bug can kill those creatine addicts so can a warframe
No no decrepit clones that can hardly live a long life span kill frames With a grenade launcher. Be fair
@@PenOfEvil those "decrepit clones" are wearing a literal ton of armor, I was doing some railjack missions and my Steel Meridian, you know the rag tag revolutionary group that gets far less training then actual grineer, mentions she punched a bulkhead hard enough to dent it. Denting a titanium bulkhead like the one on a railjack would take over 100 000 newtons of force and she just does that whenever she's mad. Their entire society is might is right and they endlessly develop weapons.
I know you disregard shieldgating despite it being cannon and even mentioned by the lotus when fighting zanuka, "Be careful Tenno, Zanuka has all the power of a Warframe with a full complement of mods" which means the mod directly affecting shields exist and ROLLING GUARD which just makes you invincible. Also wisp literally makes a portal to the sun, the custodes are not surviving that.(This and also limbos story really makes me doubt that the Orokin couldn't space travel past the solar system)
Warframes are not on the level of adeptus
I admire your exquisite work and amount of knowledge that you have combined and successfully into this and any other of your vids.
HOWEVER,
in your vids (every one that I viewed so far) are infested (....) with flashing, strobing light theatrics. Just in itself, this looks... well, that's a matter of opinion.
What my problem with the lights is - is that it is dangerous for any epilepsy patients who just happens to enjoy watching your vid.... just until it possibly triggers the seizure...
Please, consider not relying so heavily on this exact visual effect so much.
Ty.
Best regards :)
I honestly apologize. 😔That won't happen again for sure, at least not without proper warning first.
@@PenOfEvil Much appreciated. Keep the good work going, really love your content :)
If you ripped a hole between their universes they'd have to work together to fight the infested tyranids. Unless the tenno are considered psycher heretics at least.
Warframe player of 11 years and warhammer fan once a player has hit the new war they would be comparable to the lotus who could teleport the moon if you choose whispers in the wall a warframe can physically overpower the concept of time raw physical strength overpowering the Khra representing time in that universe, the drifter made Duvuri an entire landscape with just his mind, protea in canon created an entire pocket dimension, every Tenno has multiple forms of immortality the only way to sort of bring one down is by cutting the transference link then slaying the operator which still makes it possible for them to return possessing equipment that they can transference into. The warframes have mastery over every single form of combat and the drifters experience level could possibly be immeasurable he was caught in a paradox where he died a literal uncountable number of deaths there’s no conformations on how many times, but it was possibly over 1000 years or way more depending on how time flowed from the drifters perspective in Duvuri time is strange in the void. I love custodies but there is not a snowballs chance in hell they’d be able to do anything against limbo or Koumei who can canonically see the future and manipulate fate
While overall I agree with your decision on speed and how the Custodes are faster than most warframes, your assessment of Gauss and Volt is very much flawed. Both Gauss and Volt are shown to have reaction times matching their speeds, Volt in the Warframe intro cinematic and Gauss in his prime reveal trailer. While a Custodes' reaction time would be better, they are not faster and Gauss and Volt would still perceive them in slow motion
I agree I should have explained that more, it's more of the fact that these characters should be able to turn on a dime so if the custodes aimed where they would be, they would get hit cause they can't just stop instantaneously. But that I think is something I would have to dive deeper to truly prove
@@PenOfEvil I agree it's possible to lead the shot, but that won't be easy or most of the time a possibility considering how the Tenno can change direction mid-air even so much to the point they even go full stop or instantly go the other direction with an equal amount of velocity and speed.
finally someone made warframe vs one of the strongest perfect warriors
but honestly warframe is fair then perfect super warriors
Custodes might be stronger in terms of raw stats, but warframes have a lot more bullshittery. No matter how fast or strong you are, if Limbo banishes you into the rift, he still controls the reality you now exist in and Protea's control of time is nothing to laugh at either and if any custodes ever fall, they are free real estate for your neighberhood Necros...
Send one Limbo and one Mag and im sure more than a handful of custodes will fall in a blink of an eye.
If the golden boys are Mount Everest than the Tenno are the mountain climbers!
Warframes win hands down. Custodes aren't even at the pinnacle of the Golden Age of Humanity, while the Tenno and Prime Warframes are at that stage. Heck, they were the one's who ended it themselves. Not to mention that the OP weapons and frames the Tenno have can still be made while the Custodes are using leftovers that can't be reproduced. Also, void shenanigans like altering timelines are a factor for Tenno. Tenno were highly trained in the Art of War and several sciences, making them elite soldiers. They just look like kids, but they aren't. This fight would be like your regular Custodes vs. one of those old star gods in warhammer.
There's one thing you forgot about war frames and preparation time. Eternalism. The war frames could train for however long they need.
If I’m thinking about correctly even when the Tenno lose an alternative versions of them appears to continue the fight like in the new war when the Tenno got pulled into the void and the drifter appeared
And let's not forget Custodes have the Blood Games where they put all kind of enemies in the Imperial Palace and they have to kill them or a custodes have to leave the Imperial Palace and infiltrate near the Emperor to try and kill him and they will upgrade for any situation where the custodes or that treath in question almost succed to try and kill the Emperor.
Facts
Come on. Rhino"s Stomp, Limbo's Stasis/Cataclysm, Vauban's Bastille, and Nova's Molecular Prime would literally stop the Custodes in their tracks; reaction time means absolutely nothing when they can't move.
And it means even less when they cannot even see Ivara, Loki, and Ash.
Such an under-informed "analysis".
Rhino stomp disrupts time in a small radius and why couldn't it be dodged or stopped he isn't that fast. Nova and Limbo are the Warframes best opportunity for a win.
The custodians ain't ready to face shield gateing
13:31 Atlas is directly stated to destroy the asteroid with a punch thats his theme he is a brawler.
Also reaction time is one thing but you still need to move your body wich doesnt mean you are moving that fast.
Volt can casualy move his body and give his speed to others.
Are we forgetting that warframes are literally a part of the infested? Like how do you even kill the infested? And last time someone tried to kill a Tenno, we went on a self improvement journey and came back to whoop that ass. After getting kebab’d by paracesis, mind you.
My question would be how would they fair against the technocyte virus
Ohhh bro, technocyte are way stronger then tirranids and they can infect everything plus is a smart and sentient virus
Be subsumed
@Interloper621 there is nothing that can survive at it
One thing must be known about the Infestation:
You cannot stop the Infestation. In Warframe it's already won, it just hasn't reached the checkpoint yet.
You forgot to add one incredibly important detail, Tenno are physically immortal. They can easily live for more than 10,000 years (which is certainly not a special achievement in Warhammer). ANY damage passes through them, yes, but no matter what Supreme Being a Custodes is, for him death will be... death. For Tenno, it is more like disembodiment and reassembly into Void with subsequent return to service. Also take into account the fact that they are able to become INVULNERABLE for a while, make spatial jumps, and I won't even mention the features of the schools. And then, their MODS. Assemble a decent build, and everything that is even relatively hostile will INSTANTLY die, be it weapons (Acceltra, Thorid Incarnon, etc.) or frames (Mirage, Sarin, etc.). HAVE YOU EVEN SEEN WHAT KIND OF DAMAGE THEY CAN EXTRACT?! Exterminatus is out of the question. Besides, you called Mara Loch "mere children", those who daily exterminate tens of thousands of Corpus, Grineer and Infested soldiers just for fun, resources, or to become stronger, they have not had psychological problems for a very long time. For the Tenno, the Imperium would become just another place to grind and farm everything. And the regular people would probably start supporting them, because as paradoxical as it may sound, but the Tenno are humanists😆, and in principle kind. Yes, I know, right😏? As for me, the Imperium should consider them allies and not enemies, though they have a strange habit of killing emperors, but that's nothing🤣
"the Tenno are humanists😆, and in principle kind. Yes, I know, right😏?"
With Eternalism there is no reson for being not kind. You help a man? He probably helps you back somehow sometime. You kill a man? There is an infinite amount of him due to Eternalism, so why bother? And if you need resources, genociding an army is way far profitable that killing civilians.
There's nothing wrong with your statement :)
See, there's two issues with this logic, I'm seeing...
1 - Can the Custodes survive the actual sun? No? Say hi to Wisp.
2 - Can they be outside of time? Also no? Say hi to Rhino and Protea.
You CANNOT stand against a lore-accurate Tenno. The powerscaling goes beyond insane. And that ignoring the fact the Custodes have to actually be on the battlefield. Tenno don't, the Warframes have no heart, no real body to kill, it's for all intents and purposes, even Umbra, a puppet. And these puppets break time, space, and logic to murder you in a split second, if that.
Warframes win.