During The Sacrifice, Umbra grabs the operator out of the air, the position where the camera is when modifying your warframe. The indifference is always watching the operator, even outside of the void.
@@cameronmckillop6448 I was always under the impression that the 3rd person camera is cannon. like, the operator see's the warframe from outside of their body, hence why in some cinematics, the frames can see things behind them.
@@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong Agreed, after that one cutscene with umbra and then noticing that the camera has ambient screen shake when you're not moving it i interpreted that as canon that our pov is the operators pov.
I never noticed that! How...extremely disconcerting that portions of the game are aware of us, the player. In a way we too are a kind of Man in the Wall. Wait...am I onto something here...?
Not really? Albrecht explicitly abandons the practice after his meeting with the Man in the Wall. Though not out of moral objection, rather him not wanting to give Wally ANY way in.
I love that while the void is represented as the "great indifference", that is entirely Albrecht's doing, since before a conscious observer entered the void unprotected, it *was* nothing. It's a great & unique way to explain how a quantum/fourth dimensional being such as the Man in the Wall, could become reality in a universe such as Warframe.
@@asewuibv2he very much is since he seems capable of messing with timelines. That alone qualifies him as 4th dimensional. The question is can he be higher than that or is the extend of the void only limited to the 4th dimension which is time.
@@targitausrithux2320A fourth dimensional being would only be able to 'walk' along the fourth dimension. Think about it like this: as 3D beings we see a 2D image at all times, projected onto our eyes (and 2D beings would just see a line). A 4D being would, presumably, see an entire 3D render of the 4D object they are looking at. If the fourth dimension was time, it would need to be 5-dimensional to 'see' a 4D 'image' at all times, being able to interact with all of time at once. That's basically what was going on in Interstellar
@@gebcrafter well wally isn't literal physical creature existing in 4-dimensions, it's a manifestation of a cosmic power which exists in beyond 4-dims, able to projects itself in every needed way, so..
Wally is neither quantum, nor fourth-dimensional, it is a spiritual being from the realm of ideas, which void seems to be. He is a daemon, in that sense. A disembodied voice, a reflection, he is an idea of indifference borne by the vice of Albrecht - his indifference towards the world he tries to understand and sacrifices he has to make in the process, souls he would condemn for his pursuit of knowledge.
I feel like one of the most important thing we often miss when we think about Albrecht's initial meeting with the void is that up until to that point Albrecht was an Orokin, with all the sins, hubris and decadence that comes with it. He had performed continuity before the bell experiment, he had chosen a young and beautiful child among hundreds, mayhaps thousands, and said to himself, "Yes, this body will be my next". He had consciously and maliciously decided to end a life, a child's at that, in a celebration of supremacy of the Orokin. He was a highly functional psychopathic man child, like nearly every other manchild Orokin that ruled over their golden empire. It wasn't until his brush with a nigh incomprehensible death that he had changed. This monstrous man, filled with malice and catharsis, with power and prestige and vindication fueling his dreams was the very first thing that the Indifference came into contact with. Is there any wonder why Wally specifically chose children for giving them the deal, any wonder why He feels such delight in watching our torment, any wonder why the supposed Indifference laughs at us, taunts us, eggs us, the Tenno, on throughout our journey? Loid was right, the Indifference we faced during the Kalymos sequence was Albrecht's monster. In every way it mattered.
It's hard to imagine what unbelievable assholes the Entrati were in the past. Albrecht seems to have been a Ballas-tier bastard until the indifference taught him some humility.
@@Vladimirwlr1234 Yup, and If it weren’t for either of them. The Tenno wouldn’t be the paradoxical, cosmic cataclysms capable of nuking entire planets. So…..Fuck them both, but thank them both….
When you think it about it the way you have, the way the Man in the Wall can be defeated does become somewhat clear. The Void modelled its conscience off the darkness of Albrecht Entrati, his misdeeds and the great plethora of sins that an Orokin could achieve in their near limitless lifespan. If the Man in the Wall was born from these traits and became twisted, more complex as they festered for a solidly good amount of time. It becomes somewhat simple, within a sea of complex ideas. The Man in the Wall must be shown humility, it must be directly exposed to a new emotional catalyst, it's evidenced by the ending of the initial quest, the untamed and raw might of the Void quelled by an overwhelming feeling of loss, it didn't know what to do, it was pushed back. A more concentrated form of this would be to expose the Void to what Albrecht was when he firsted entered the Void. Horror. The fear of a power greater than itself. Its monster. To defeat the Man in the Wall, the Tenno must become its monster and show it humility as it was shown to Albrecht.
I really really love how whisper in the walls is tying everything together in an almost beautiful way, how the father comes to understand the genius of his daughter by experiencing her work manifested first hand but is also unable to stop her from following his own mistakes as she tries to live up to his shadow is both beautiful and tragic.
I wonder if the Void's copying of what comes into contact with it will be the ultimate meaning behind the alignment compass we still have no clue about for story quests. Albrect reacted to the void with terror and fear and a nature otherwise filled with indifference, so it became hostile and vicious. In the end, perhaps when we finally meet it proper, what choices we've made about the personality for our character will decide whether it copies us as something good, neutral, or evil - spelling salvation, continuation, or doom for the system. Until then, this is what we know.
Holy shit you have something. Because the dark choices are usually cold callous and “indifferent” while the light choices are more emotional and “human”.
@@SpiderMan-xw8wh yeah the sun-neutral-moon system isn't a good-neutral-bad alignment, its an emotional-balanced-pragmatic alignment. In one quest (idk if Second Dream or War Within), regarding the void you can choose i hated it (sun), i controlled it (neutral) and i embraced it (moon), which is not necessarily a good vs bad choice, especially if people interpret the void as something "evil" (which it really isn't but that's a different discussion). I think Albrecht - Drifter - Operator are the best representations of the Sun-Neutral-Moon alignments when it comes to the void. Albrecht feared and hated it and it became the indifference, the Drifter passively embraced it as they were stranded on the Zariman, and used it actively to create Duviri, whereas the Operator became a "void demon", actively embracing the Void but also using it to master the Indifference and eventually fight back against it.
@@targitausrithux2320 Honnestly the dark and light are switched and follows more the asian dycotomy. To quote the lotus choice from the new war. Natah = white = Agression. Margulis = dark = compassion. Lotus = balance of both.
That final moment between the Vessels was just so heartbreaking. DE really did a beautiful job on the facial animation in that scene. The pain, sorrow, relief, confusion...you can see it written all over the Vessel's face when we simply reach out and gently touch its check. I'm not too proud to admit it made me cry a little. As a person who has, and continues to go through, some serious trauma a lot of the story of Warframe hits me in a way it might not for other people. Being a kid trying to make sense of things happening to you that you have no control over and didn't ask for to begin with, much like the Operator. Even the Drifter, essentially our adult form, carries the trauma with them. Though there are bright spots, victories, and moments of healing...the trauma is always there, a viper in the grass waiting for the perfect time to strike. It's never truly and fully destroyed. I think DE tells this story so beautifully even if it is covered in a thick coat of sci-fi woo woo weirdness; it never feels like trauma is mishandled or tossed casually around to be shocking. It's handled with respect, it's held gently, and for players like me it works damn hard to avoid triggers and slipping into fatalistic doom. For as awful as the world of Warframe is there are things with fighting for. And sometimes that's enough to help me keep pushing forward in my real life.
All this talk about time made me think and look back about where I was around a year ago. I was just looking at playing a game about cool looking space ninjas, and now here I am, contemplating the possibility of healing the pain of an eldritch being that was forced into reality.
I think Mara might actually mean Demon as the name comes from two different sources. The first source is the Buddhist Mara who's a demonic being of anti-enlightenment and his adversarial role to Buddha's teachings is comparable to the Christian Devil's adversarial role to God. The second source is the Germanic Mara AKA Mare which is a malevolent spirit said to bring nightmares to those it rides on top while they sleep similar to succubi/incubi. The Operator seems to play both roles but the original roles of those Maras are twisted. For the Buddhist Mara, they play a key role in causing the collapse of the evil Orokin empire by turning the warframes against them, rebelling against the enlightenment of the Orokin. For the Germanic Mara, they were able to tame Excalibur Umbra by tapping into his memory turned nightmare and bring a sense of empathy and understanding that takes his pain away from that burning memory, essentially soothing the nightmare. There are other factors, such as the fact that the Operator is referred to as the Void Demon by the Helminth. Not to mention that Ballas calls them the Devil and says in The New War that he can't kill the Devil but send it back to Hell (the void in this context). All of this adds credibility to the idea that "Mara" means "Demon" so "Mara Lohk" does indeed translate to "Void Demon".
It's crazy that when you think about it, Albrecht is the single most important and central figure to the entire story of Warframe, without his actions none of the events so far would have happened the way we experienced them, from the Zariman to the Lotus to Ballas to the warframes to Rell, all of it.
Im returning player, so man things get over my head. So if I get it right Albrecht experimented with the void (That wasnt a thing until him) and essentially gave form to Wally, that prompted the Zariman travel ? Hence Tenno encounter Wally and made a deal with him (That I dont understand what the deal is really) And this lead to Margulis and all that. Do I get it right ?
@@FillsFantasyFactory1yes, the deal was to give the tenno the power to survive and escape the situation on the zariman while giving in exchange a link to the real world.
@@FillsFantasyFactory1 While we still kinda don't know what "The Deal" is, one is certain that one of them is saving our operator from the horror of Zariman. (DUVIRI PARADOX SPOILER) Keep in my that this is not the case with Drifter's deal, in drifter's case we are trapped in zariman instead of given void power but at the cost of saving all of Zariman (from what i gather ofc). So the warframe timeline is can split into 2 (maybe 3 strand with 1999), Our Operator's timeline Albrecht>Wally>Void travel>Zariman>Operator>Lotus>Warframe>Ballas>Old War vs Sentient>Grineer and Corpus rise to power>New War>and finally Whispers in the Wall. For Drifter's timeline i dunno where it start but for now it just Zariman>Drifter>Duviri. Correct me if i'm wrong of course since sometimes Warframe's lore is...convoluted lol
I do like how you've interpreted the Indifference. It existed in a manner before Albrecht, but because it absorbs what enters, his presence allowed it to exist and think in a way it never could before. And I like how you noted that it "feigned" aloofness. It's definitely not as indifferent as its name implies. And yeah, gaining an awareness it wasn't meant to have definitely hurt it, and with how strong it is, it couldn't figure out what was happening without hurting others. It was met with hostility, and so now it dishes it out in return Ultimately I think the Tenno will end up pacifying it. Not only does it line up with the story, but it's a good way to end the threat while keeping the Void powers. If the Indifference becomes a proper ally. Plus, the idea of an eldritch abomination becoming docile could be interesting
Very interesting points. It's interesting that Albrecht's void double reached out to Albrecht while he was lying on the floor in the void. I wonder if whether his void double wanted to shake his hand or help him up, also referring to Albrecht in an endearing term "Little bengel".
This implies that the only way to defeat the Indifference or the Man in the Wall, besides destroying the Void, is to imprint another, better character onto it.
It kind of reminds me of the story of CLU and Kevin Flynn in Tron: Legacy. Flynn creates CLU to create the perfect system but at the time he didn't understand that there is no such thing. CLU is angry because he had been delegated this task. Its all he knows. Like the Void all it got from Albrecht is his coldness. It isn't even given a directive to follow. Its not until we commandeer the vessel and gently caress the void controlled vessel that it defuses the confrontation. I feel that the ending confrontation of will require Albrecht possibly sacrificing himself. That running from it only makes it stronger and more determined to consume everything. Of course, time will tell what path the story will take but I do see some parallels. "We End As We Began." Thank You for another awesome look into the lore, StallordD.
I did NOT realize until now that the Jahu Gargoyle is made up of all three surviving Cavia - Bird's lower body, Tagfer's upper body and Fibonacci's head.
I think one small tidbit that is worth mentioning is that the reason why the Kalymos Sequence was activated in the first place is because of the massive Void portal Ballas recklessly opened up at the end of The New War. As noted on Albrecht's computer next to Loid in the Sanctum Anatomica, this gave the Indifference a lot more room to express its influence in the material realm, essentially ringing a massive alarm bell that forced the Kalymos Sequence to be enacted before it is too late.
Im still certain its a Link to "Dark Sector" now. Even if they vehemently said that it ISNT linked to Dark Sector, Arthur basically confirms it by beeing Excalibur same as Hayden Tenno was. Its not the EXACT Dark Sector, but similarily enough!
Bro.. There are a lot of warframe lore guys but I believe you deserve the most views. Been following you for a long time (8 years) and your lore videos are the most accurate to my understanding of what the warframe lore is. You deserve way more recognition. Will like and share with friends.
Agreed. Huge work of organizing and summarizing the whole storyline, with temporal reference, and just the right amount of speculation. More clarity than other Warframe loremasters!
It could also be that Albrecht did not land in 1999, but far earlier, and the Orokin script became a way for him and possible associates to communicate in secret, as a form of cypher.
Would it be possible to assume that what we call "The Void Entity" / "The man in the wall" was partly created back in that 1999 by the very decision of Albrecht to return to that year, in which, with our help of course, in some possible future quest, the Old Entrati manages to entrap it into nothingness again, by sacrificing himself. And then, in that new time thread, leading somehow to the possible future of the Orokin civilization, it will be rediscovered and uleashed by the young Albrecht, still experimenting with the Void in his laboratory, repeating the story again and again for eternity? Could it be that the stories of the Quills of Cetus for the Old Gods long forgotten (Quill Onko and Gara quest) , are referring to that time in the past when the Void entity was somehow able to catch up to Albrecht in 1999, leaving enough signs for the present people in that era to create and tell stories, which were able to reach even the Quills in modern post Orokin era? Could it be that the words "We End As We Began" are related to a never ending cycle of unleashing and entrapment of this entity by Albrecht for eternity, and with every repeated cycle it gains more power to bend the laws of Time and Continuity, but with these constant eternal boring repetitions, hidden among nothingness for most of its existance, longing for any type of encounter, it innevitably turns into the "Indifference" itself?
Always look forward to your videos. I'm very happy that you've continued to be interested in this story and share your thoughts about it in a cool way. This one was no exception. Thank you!
Thank you for this. A lot of the deeper connections and symbolism eluded me while playing through the Whispers in the Wall content, and this cleared up a lot of the questions I had. Like why it ended the way it did.
The 'what I expected' to 'what I got' from this game is *WILD* Incredible video. I don't usually have the time to grind for every bit of information, so I miss a lot of the weird, but deep lore of Warframe. Instant like
thank you for tying things toghether. its sometimes hard to feel confident in one's own interpretation of the quests and what they try to convey so having it layed out and explained so cohessively is honestly a blessing
I play the updates and make a few connections. And I mean a FEW. Then I watch this channel and go, "Oh my god...I actually didn't understand the story at all!" I think it's great that DE makes these narratives so deep, pulling so much from real world philosophies and concepts, so that I need outside help to fully appreciate what they did. They're not dragging it down for dumb dumbs like me. 😊
Thank you. I didn't even know 1/10th of all that stuff. This is coming from someone that's 8.5k+ hours into this game. Also I think that 1999 is at least partially designed to let DE 'reclaim' Dark Sector. If you search around it's not clear who actually owns Dark Sector. Is it D3? Is it ND Games? Is it DE? You won't be able to find a clear answer. But by redoing the events of Dark Sector via 1999, DS would just become one of the many strands of Eternalism while allowing those basic events to be a prequel to Warframe. That's my theory anyways. Thank you again dude!
Heyyy I was waiting to listen to this. Good to see you're still in the game and I love your lore episodes. Hope you're having fun making them as much as I have fun listening. Thanks a lot for those
The audio logs in duviri describe Albrecht as "wearing his like a bunch of snakes" which lines up the the paintings and depictions we see pre-wispers. Maybe he just reneged on his plan not to do continuity anymore.
Hey want to say goodjob on the video, been watching you for many years, i come back to warframe every now and again. Find that my meta stuff still works in Netracell and enjoy story but dont play long anymore to get those collectibles. So out of the kindness of my heart thank you.
The Man in the Wall's appearance in the New War is based on the blueprints for the Vessels, and the giant finger in the Zariman Reliquary probably matches one of the Vessels- severed from the Man in the Wall before the project even properly began. Each railjack uses a cloned finger from a vessel, imbued with the energies from the original finger. Wally shouldn't be asking where his finger-bones are, he should be asking NE KHRA NOMA ELU RA KAH, MARA LOHK?
if you look really closely during the transmission on the old computer, you can see that Albrecht has the hollow eyes like orokin have (you know, no iris no pupils etc), so my guess is that after he ditched continuity he might have retained some orokin-ish traits (blueish/really pale skin, hollow eyes), but maybe now that he is naturally aging his body adjusts to looking more "normal". plus there is the thing of having his skin regrown, which is what also makes him probably a bit half-human-half-orokin.
@Arthurie To my understanding, the Orokin are very adept at changing their appearance. They would keep people as livestock essentially. For them to torture and mould into into the desired image. (See grandmother's cradle, which tells the tale of what Kuva was actually used for) They would then transfer into the new body via continuity, the type of Kuva would determine whether the process was permanent. Ballas seemingly was able to inhabit his body that he changed to look more sentient like. From the ideal blue skin and asymmetric limbs to some weird bisected reverse legged creature, made to fool the operator into thinking the Sentients were harming him. It wouldn't be crazy to assume Albrecht changed his appearance to match that of early humans in 1999.
@@tomd96 Ballas was turned into a Sentient Amalgam after the events of the Sacrifice quest. He didn’t change his appearance to fool anyone, that was just how he survived after being stabbed by Umbra and the Operator.
Thank you very much for continuing to make these lore summary videos. I've been watching alot of TheDsEIGE recently and its so annoying how much he rambles about meaningless nonsense and then ends his videos without ever actually saying anything and frequently misunderstanding directly stated information. It just feels good to finally have good lore videos again.
oh my god, throughout the quest i was so confused but thanks to this i finally understand the story, thank you so much because ain't no way im finding this out on my own. now i know why the upcoming update is called the Lotus Eater
My best guess so far is that Albrecht as the first being ever to enter the void was the one that gave it some sense of form, something that it had never known before. If we look at how the void acts, it does share a lot of similarities with the younger Albrecht. It is eager, greedy, seeks to conquer and to explore. Same as Albrecht did everything he could to harness the void for his (the Orokin's) benefit, the void in return now does the same with the world of dust. The only being (so far) ever to merit the voids attention as much as Albrecht, is the operator we control. Though I am nor yet certain whether we are simply a tool for it, a means to sneak further into our reality, or if our Tenno, same as Albrecht, has imprinted parts of itself onto the void, altering its being into a mix of both Albrecht and us. It is also possible, that the void is shaped by everything from our reality it comes into contact with and we are only a tiny part of that. Gotta say, I love the WF lore, but the eternalism and indifference parts do erode some of my enjoyment. The more I learn about the void, the less I feel I understand the lore, and the more likely it seems to me that the only conclusion that they will be able to have at the end will be something so vague or complex that it will not make for a satisfying conclusion to this wild journey. WF lore for me lives a lit through never knowing everything that is going on, same as a good TV series, but in the end there always is a conclusion and the more mind-breakingly twisted the story has become before that, the more likely the conclusion will be unsatisfying. At least in my experience so far. One solution would be to never explain everything fully, leaving some stuff open for interpretation in the best case, or simply not putting in a conclusion in the worst case. I'm not sure if I like either. It's a paradox that I both somehow want to understand it all, and yet know that I will like WF less once I do, because the mystery has finally been solved. Everything will end eventually, even a mghty long-living game like WF. I hope we are still long away from that point and I do trust that DE will manage to continue their track record of twisting my brain with their lore. I just hope that in the end I will be able to look at decades of playing WF and enjoying the lore and feel contended. Great video, you should do way more like these. It is truly a pleasure to listen to you, even if it's just tiny lore tidbids here and there about minor characters or irrelevant content pieces. Super awesome, I hope you continue these so I can always come back and get your interpretation of the latest WF lore bites
One tiny note: Netra does say 'digits" plural on the floor of the lab. But Wally in New War only has one finger missing so not sure which is the truth.
@@StallordD my one explanation without retconning is that maybe the orokin were trying to push the narrative that they got multiple fingers for some reason just like how they depict albrecht like a very traditional orokin even though it seems like that wasn't really his style. Just the executors subtly reinforcing their cultural biases and altering the narrative for a yet unknown purpose.
I think the reason Albrecht doesn't look as Orokin as he does in his portrait, is that he intentionally scaled back his augmentations in order to blend in with 1999. As to the orokin script in 1999, I think this is filtered through the Tenno's perception, making any writing only look like orokin script to the Tenno.
So, in 1999 when the New Years Eve was happening, the Y2K was not just a technological global crash but was the Infestation Virus taking over the world?
Okay, I had to stop watching about 10 minutes before the end because I only just finished the opening quest last night, but this was an awesome video! I can't wait to come back to this video after I play more missions and unlock stuff, as well as check out your other content.
4:23 I always wondered how we had so many fingers (multiple locations, every Railjack, every Void-ready Spaceship), if only 1 was cut off. Good to know!
Saying the plague year is 1999 makes me question: how far is waframe in the future and why did we winded up back to 1999? I prefer to believe that this 1999 is in fact our 1999, and that the scriptures are just how the tenno percieve the writting, not actual orokin writting.
Albrecht the type of guy to influence the past enough so we have Technology advanced ninjas but not computers that support date formats past the year 1999
I'd like to believe that the titans of albrecht's labs were designed just to go out and throw hands towards a formed indifference and it's fragmented tides Just a whole lotta gigantic guys and perhaps too much anger to contain
This was a great video. There were some details I had missed. I like that, at this point, even though Albrecht is shown to be an extremely intelligent and insightful guy, his many flaws always keep him from seeing the big picture. I hope that they keep this dynamic going forward and don't make him a guy who has read the script. One thing that wasn't touched on was his tone on the vessels fragments. While he has his goals and plans when creating the vessels, once again we see him being struck by the same hubris. He needs an operator, but to him the operator is a tool. Albrecht is the one who will figure it out, he's the guy playing 4d chess with the chthonic void entity. Even though he learned a lesson from Euleria's stories in Duviri, he hasn't stopped thinking of himself as the only one who can do anything about the MitW. I hope his arrogance plays a big role in 1999 when it comes out.
I'm thinking 1999 may be drawing on inspirations from Dark Sector. Not that they are the same timeline, but that these two games are finally converging in some small way.
I like your theory that Warframe is just completely different reality than where we are. It would really open up doors to let the WF writers have more freedom in future stories, not tethered to our history and make real life comparisons.
A lot of what is mentioned here is what I was assuming atm (assuming as I had no idea there were also the readable passages, being too occupied grinding for stuff) My wild guess atm at the question posed by the Indifference, is that we as Tenno are not the original children of the Zariman. we are in fact beings just like the Indifference. Void given flesh. for a easy analogy, take Alex Mercer from the Prototype series. We are the Blacklight Virus (void beings), but are unaware of it due to our personality and memories being copies of the original Children of the Zariman.
This is just me throwing ideas out there, but what if what makes the year 1999 important is the emergence of the infested hive mind? It's the first thing that jumps out at me as emerging from the great plague. maybe there is such a volume of conscious locked in there that it changes how the murmur has to interact with the world?
Can i argue against the human depiction of Albrecht by saying that our wallter clone is of how we looked when we were exposed to the void in it's entirety. Pair that with Albrecht being a lower tier member of the caste society at the time, he wouldn't have access to the augments that we see Neil De'glass Tyson and Ballas. So, i believe that the 'human' Albrecht is merely Wallter's mimicry of him when his void diving bell broke, and as such, has manipulated Loid into bringing them into "the one place he cannot reach", furthering Wallter's conquest, hence Albrecht's ominous and Wallter-like smile when he arrives
All things need to learn to live in peace by themselves first before they add others in. The cat goat looking thing did not have that first lesson being a mindless animal before it became self aware
Its really interesting to see how this professor vs student role kinda is betwen the two. One not wanting the other to be apart of the clean up operation of their mess and the other upset that over time they still arent treated as an equal to be fully involved in the plans. Just being the only one with an inkling as to whats going on.
When I first saw the 1999 showcase, I just assumed it was an origin story for the technocyte infestation. Y2K being the event where technology "took over" the world. Maybe the beginning of the plague was a unique enough event to tie in with Albrecht's theory of the Indifference drawing its focus toward uniqueness
Something to note that has changed now is that in the two last alignment choices we decided on what happened in the past for another person, not ourselves. When we ask Loid what Albrecht said to him we decided what HE said, and that affected US. They don't just do that for no reason. I'm assuming that since the collapse of our timeline and our strengthened connection to our wally, it also effects our connection to Albrecht void clone and thus affected our connection to Albrecht. I'm curious to see how our perception of ourselves and reality may change from this point on. It might get trippy af.
This is just an idea or speculation of 1999 that could explain why theirs orikin language at the time which is 1999 is isn’t actually time travel but rather a depiction of 1999 through entrati through archives and antiques in the labs translated into the Void like how Duvuri is created through the Tales of Duvuri story of which Albert visited that place. However still questions why wants to go to 1999 maybe a place escape or something else
I simply don't buy DE is not slowly canonizing Dark Sector. Like, ain't no way they just choose year 1999 just cause, a close year to Dark Sector's setting and then add Great Plague to the setting, just as homage to the series. Like, it's just lines up perfectly that Great Plague didn't just start out of nowhere, but it's continuation of what we saw in Dark Sector. Could it be that after ending of the game, Hayden Tenno being recovered by US military from scuffle with USSR, he started to mutate further OR US intelligence started to experiment on him to weaponize infestation which then spiralled out of control, thus Hayden becoming source and Patient Zero and cause of 1999 Great Plague? Would explain how Ballas found that perfect Helminth strain that creates Warframes, it's from OG himself. Like it simply fits.
@@azmbp2so the proto Warframes is a edited version of Helminth made by Albrecht? A alteration to make someone halfway into a Warframe but allowing them to still maintain their sense of self? That was my understanding at least
I think maybe Albrecht's grand plan might be aiming at going back and preventing his initial encounter with Wall-E, essentially snuffing out the spark of the Void's hunger for the Origin System before his past self had the potential to even begin lighting it
Anyone ever wonders how a freaking fish was able to "blow the containment seal" on this advanced exploration vessel? I wouldn't dwell on it so much, had it not been such a big deal in Cavia's storyline.
I actually first had the thought when Loid mentioned Fibonacci cheating at komi ("how does he cheat at komi he doesn't have HANDS", followed immediately by "how does he PLAY komi he doesn't HAVE HANDS") and then I remembered the seal thing ("how did he break the seal on the bell he was presumably inside a tank inside the bell and he DOESN'T. HAVE. HANDS") and now I'm blatantly confused. Is Fibonacci telepathic? I feel like that's too much of an important detail to overlook...
The way The Man In The Wall came to be reminds me of the lore of the League of Legends void and The Watchers who were awoken because of reality existing. A simplistic version but interesting nonetheless in how reality could be corrupted by the void but the void could be corrupted by reality which is how Bel'veth came to be and how The Watchers were able to take on form and invade reality in the first place. I've see some parallels in Warhammer 40k with the Immaterium/The Warp as a realm of thought. It's interesting how all have a similarity in that all are quite literally a void in dual sense. If it is truly nothing then it is also everything in a way. Probably not completely but an useful way to think of it. Kind of reminds me of some sayings about the Dao in Daoism such it being like water or air in that it takes shape based on the form it inhabits or molds around.
My thinking is that it's either not just different future but also alternate past, or because Albrecht went back it did something to that past- changed the Y2K from a theoretical apocalypse into a real one
Something I would like to point out about when we reach the epiloge .Is that when introduced void version of Albright shows up our void self stops smiling This might imply that each instance of an individual exposed completely to the void creates a whole new void entity
@@95freakout fair, but also void tongue somehow being connected to buddism is odd. That said, also makes sense. I just default to kiddo since that's what the paralysis demon clone calls us with Google translate on.
It calls you kiddo because that's what the operators parents called them. That was their nick name. It uses a familiar nick name or pet name when referring to the person it is mimicking. So this implies it knows your memories and chooses to greet you in a very familiar way as if you both know one another well.
It's very cool to see how the video talks about Loid's relationship with Albrecht as love because let's be honest, not everyone realizes how their relationship is more than just a very good friendship or in the worst case they simply don't want to accept that Albrecht loves Loid. (I love the lore too, these updates have given us a lot) Keep making videos, they're great!💯
Bruh it was painfully obvious. Loid is the sterotypical gay butler. He clearly loves Albrecht but I'm not sure the latter shares the same honest feeling. So far, I think Albrecht used Loid's feelings to his advantage.
@@mattmark94 At the beginning of his diary he says how his love for Loid saved him from his wish to die, I don't think you have read the pages of his diary in the codex.
Fun fact, the eyes in the walls follow the camera around, not your warframe. so they are directly looking at you, the player.
During The Sacrifice, Umbra grabs the operator out of the air, the position where the camera is when modifying your warframe. The indifference is always watching the operator, even outside of the void.
@@cameronmckillop6448 I was always under the impression that the 3rd person camera is cannon. like, the operator see's the warframe from outside of their body, hence why in some cinematics, the frames can see things behind them.
@@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong Agreed, after that one cutscene with umbra and then noticing that the camera has ambient screen shake when you're not moving it i interpreted that as canon that our pov is the operators pov.
I never noticed that! How...extremely disconcerting that portions of the game are aware of us, the player. In a way we too are a kind of Man in the Wall. Wait...am I onto something here...?
You might be and I don't know if I like it XD
I do appreciate how DE didn't just make Albrecht a good guy. He's still very much an Orokin as shown by his actions.
Granted, I think a lot of his poor emotional understanding is because of the encounter. Loid says he didnt smile much after the incident.
Pretty much. Dude was fully engaged in the Continuity thingy which is as evil as it is.
Not really? Albrecht explicitly abandons the practice after his meeting with the Man in the Wall. Though not out of moral objection, rather him not wanting to give Wally ANY way in.
I love that while the void is represented as the "great indifference", that is entirely Albrecht's doing, since before a conscious observer entered the void unprotected, it *was* nothing. It's a great & unique way to explain how a quantum/fourth dimensional being such as the Man in the Wall, could become reality in a universe such as Warframe.
wally isn't 4th dimensional or a "quantum" being though
@@asewuibv2he very much is since he seems capable of messing with timelines. That alone qualifies him as 4th dimensional. The question is can he be higher than that or is the extend of the void only limited to the 4th dimension which is time.
@@targitausrithux2320A fourth dimensional being would only be able to 'walk' along the fourth dimension. Think about it like this: as 3D beings we see a 2D image at all times, projected onto our eyes (and 2D beings would just see a line). A 4D being would, presumably, see an entire 3D render of the 4D object they are looking at. If the fourth dimension was time, it would need to be 5-dimensional to 'see' a 4D 'image' at all times, being able to interact with all of time at once. That's basically what was going on in Interstellar
@@gebcrafter well wally isn't literal physical creature existing in 4-dimensions, it's a manifestation of a cosmic power which exists in beyond 4-dims, able to projects itself in every needed way, so..
Wally is neither quantum, nor fourth-dimensional, it is a spiritual being from the realm of ideas, which void seems to be. He is a daemon, in that sense. A disembodied voice, a reflection, he is an idea of indifference borne by the vice of Albrecht - his indifference towards the world he tries to understand and sacrifices he has to make in the process, souls he would condemn for his pursuit of knowledge.
I feel like one of the most important thing we often miss when we think about Albrecht's initial meeting with the void is that up until to that point Albrecht was an Orokin, with all the sins, hubris and decadence that comes with it. He had performed continuity before the bell experiment, he had chosen a young and beautiful child among hundreds, mayhaps thousands, and said to himself, "Yes, this body will be my next". He had consciously and maliciously decided to end a life, a child's at that, in a celebration of supremacy of the Orokin. He was a highly functional psychopathic man child, like nearly every other manchild Orokin that ruled over their golden empire. It wasn't until his brush with a nigh incomprehensible death that he had changed. This monstrous man, filled with malice and catharsis, with power and prestige and vindication fueling his dreams was the very first thing that the Indifference came into contact with. Is there any wonder why Wally specifically chose children for giving them the deal, any wonder why He feels such delight in watching our torment, any wonder why the supposed Indifference laughs at us, taunts us, eggs us, the Tenno, on throughout our journey?
Loid was right, the Indifference we faced during the Kalymos sequence was Albrecht's monster. In every way it mattered.
Very well put
And yet again….it’s up to the Tenno to clean up the Orokin’s mess….
It's hard to imagine what unbelievable assholes the Entrati were in the past. Albrecht seems to have been a Ballas-tier bastard until the indifference taught him some humility.
@@Vladimirwlr1234 Yup, and If it weren’t for either of them. The Tenno wouldn’t be the paradoxical, cosmic cataclysms capable of nuking entire planets. So…..Fuck them both, but thank them both….
When you think it about it the way you have, the way the Man in the Wall can be defeated does become somewhat clear. The Void modelled its conscience off the darkness of Albrecht Entrati, his misdeeds and the great plethora of sins that an Orokin could achieve in their near limitless lifespan. If the Man in the Wall was born from these traits and became twisted, more complex as they festered for a solidly good amount of time.
It becomes somewhat simple, within a sea of complex ideas. The Man in the Wall must be shown humility, it must be directly exposed to a new emotional catalyst, it's evidenced by the ending of the initial quest, the untamed and raw might of the Void quelled by an overwhelming feeling of loss, it didn't know what to do, it was pushed back.
A more concentrated form of this would be to expose the Void to what Albrecht was when he firsted entered the Void. Horror. The fear of a power greater than itself. Its monster.
To defeat the Man in the Wall, the Tenno must become its monster and show it humility as it was shown to Albrecht.
It premieres in 12 hours, this... is what we know
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@@StallordD No
Hm?
Bro commented before the video was up
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I really really love how whisper in the walls is tying everything together in an almost beautiful way, how the father comes to understand the genius of his daughter by experiencing her work manifested first hand but is also unable to stop her from following his own mistakes as she tries to live up to his shadow is both beautiful and tragic.
This part of the lore is going to be wild
I wonder if the Void's copying of what comes into contact with it will be the ultimate meaning behind the alignment compass we still have no clue about for story quests.
Albrect reacted to the void with terror and fear and a nature otherwise filled with indifference, so it became hostile and vicious.
In the end, perhaps when we finally meet it proper, what choices we've made about the personality for our character will decide whether it copies us as something good, neutral, or evil - spelling salvation, continuation, or doom for the system.
Until then, this is what we know.
thats a really good interpritation of choice system....
Holy shit you have something. Because the dark choices are usually cold callous and “indifferent” while the light choices are more emotional and “human”.
@@targitausrithux2320 but the dark choices are also more mellow and understanding, while white choices are full of anger and spite.
@@SpiderMan-xw8wh yeah the sun-neutral-moon system isn't a good-neutral-bad alignment, its an emotional-balanced-pragmatic alignment. In one quest (idk if Second Dream or War Within), regarding the void you can choose i hated it (sun), i controlled it (neutral) and i embraced it (moon), which is not necessarily a good vs bad choice, especially if people interpret the void as something "evil" (which it really isn't but that's a different discussion).
I think Albrecht - Drifter - Operator are the best representations of the Sun-Neutral-Moon alignments when it comes to the void. Albrecht feared and hated it and it became the indifference, the Drifter passively embraced it as they were stranded on the Zariman, and used it actively to create Duviri, whereas the Operator became a "void demon", actively embracing the Void but also using it to master the Indifference and eventually fight back against it.
@@targitausrithux2320 Honnestly the dark and light are switched and follows more the asian dycotomy. To quote the lotus choice from the new war. Natah = white = Agression. Margulis = dark = compassion. Lotus = balance of both.
That final moment between the Vessels was just so heartbreaking. DE really did a beautiful job on the facial animation in that scene. The pain, sorrow, relief, confusion...you can see it written all over the Vessel's face when we simply reach out and gently touch its check. I'm not too proud to admit it made me cry a little.
As a person who has, and continues to go through, some serious trauma a lot of the story of Warframe hits me in a way it might not for other people. Being a kid trying to make sense of things happening to you that you have no control over and didn't ask for to begin with, much like the Operator. Even the Drifter, essentially our adult form, carries the trauma with them. Though there are bright spots, victories, and moments of healing...the trauma is always there, a viper in the grass waiting for the perfect time to strike. It's never truly and fully destroyed.
I think DE tells this story so beautifully even if it is covered in a thick coat of sci-fi woo woo weirdness; it never feels like trauma is mishandled or tossed casually around to be shocking. It's handled with respect, it's held gently, and for players like me it works damn hard to avoid triggers and slipping into fatalistic doom. For as awful as the world of Warframe is there are things with fighting for. And sometimes that's enough to help me keep pushing forward in my real life.
Like Ballas said the Tenno can see inside an ugly broken thing and take away its pain.
Thank you for that, now I know why I play this game
All this talk about time made me think and look back about where I was around a year ago. I was just looking at playing a game about cool looking space ninjas, and now here I am, contemplating the possibility of healing the pain of an eldritch being that was forced into reality.
For real
Yep lmao.
I think Mara might actually mean Demon as the name comes from two different sources. The first source is the Buddhist Mara who's a demonic being of anti-enlightenment and his adversarial role to Buddha's teachings is comparable to the Christian Devil's adversarial role to God. The second source is the Germanic Mara AKA Mare which is a malevolent spirit said to bring nightmares to those it rides on top while they sleep similar to succubi/incubi.
The Operator seems to play both roles but the original roles of those Maras are twisted. For the Buddhist Mara, they play a key role in causing the collapse of the evil Orokin empire by turning the warframes against them, rebelling against the enlightenment of the Orokin. For the Germanic Mara, they were able to tame Excalibur Umbra by tapping into his memory turned nightmare and bring a sense of empathy and understanding that takes his pain away from that burning memory, essentially soothing the nightmare.
There are other factors, such as the fact that the Operator is referred to as the Void Demon by the Helminth. Not to mention that Ballas calls them the Devil and says in The New War that he can't kill the Devil but send it back to Hell (the void in this context). All of this adds credibility to the idea that "Mara" means "Demon" so "Mara Lohk" does indeed translate to "Void Demon".
There is also the 'Mara' Detron. Demon's Detron, perhaps, considering the Prisma crystals?
Something worth noting is that "Mara" was also the internal name for the protagonist operator in The War Within's script
Isn't Mara the persona Penis Demon?
Oh they planned dis shit
demon kiddo?
It's crazy that when you think about it, Albrecht is the single most important and central figure to the entire story of Warframe, without his actions none of the events so far would have happened the way we experienced them, from the Zariman to the Lotus to Ballas to the warframes to Rell, all of it.
Im returning player, so man things get over my head.
So if I get it right
Albrecht experimented with the void (That wasnt a thing until him) and essentially gave form to Wally, that prompted the Zariman travel ? Hence Tenno encounter Wally and made a deal with him (That I dont understand what the deal is really) And this lead to Margulis and all that. Do I get it right ?
@@FillsFantasyFactory1yes, the deal was to give the tenno the power to survive and escape the situation on the zariman while giving in exchange a link to the real world.
@@kabalanstef9636 Oh okey, Thank you very mich
@@FillsFantasyFactory1 While we still kinda don't know what "The Deal" is, one is certain that one of them is saving our operator from the horror of Zariman.
(DUVIRI PARADOX SPOILER)
Keep in my that this is not the case with Drifter's deal, in drifter's case we are trapped in zariman instead of given void power but at the cost of saving all of Zariman (from what i gather ofc).
So the warframe timeline is can split into 2 (maybe 3 strand with 1999), Our Operator's timeline Albrecht>Wally>Void travel>Zariman>Operator>Lotus>Warframe>Ballas>Old War vs Sentient>Grineer and Corpus rise to power>New War>and finally Whispers in the Wall. For Drifter's timeline i dunno where it start but for now it just Zariman>Drifter>Duviri. Correct me if i'm wrong of course since sometimes Warframe's lore is...convoluted lol
I do like how you've interpreted the Indifference. It existed in a manner before Albrecht, but because it absorbs what enters, his presence allowed it to exist and think in a way it never could before. And I like how you noted that it "feigned" aloofness. It's definitely not as indifferent as its name implies. And yeah, gaining an awareness it wasn't meant to have definitely hurt it, and with how strong it is, it couldn't figure out what was happening without hurting others. It was met with hostility, and so now it dishes it out in return
Ultimately I think the Tenno will end up pacifying it. Not only does it line up with the story, but it's a good way to end the threat while keeping the Void powers. If the Indifference becomes a proper ally. Plus, the idea of an eldritch abomination becoming docile could be interesting
Very interesting points. It's interesting that Albrecht's void double reached out to Albrecht while he was lying on the floor in the void. I wonder if whether his void double wanted to shake his hand or help him up, also referring to Albrecht in an endearing term "Little bengel".
@@TheScrootch It's possible! Again, I think a lot of its cruelty is a result of it hurting from all the fear and cruelty it was met with.
This implies that the only way to defeat the Indifference or the Man in the Wall, besides destroying the Void, is to imprint another, better character onto it.
@@spacejunk2186 Yes that's possible too. Meld kindness into it. It does seem to absorb pieces of things that enter it.
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Holy shit. Why if we end up doing transference with the Mand in the Wall, like we did with Umbra?
It kind of reminds me of the story of CLU and Kevin Flynn in Tron: Legacy. Flynn creates CLU to create the perfect system but at the time he didn't understand that there is no such thing. CLU is angry because he had been delegated this task. Its all he knows. Like the Void all it got from Albrecht is his coldness. It isn't even given a directive to follow. Its not until we commandeer the vessel and gently caress the void controlled vessel that it defuses the confrontation. I feel that the ending confrontation of will require Albrecht possibly sacrificing himself. That running from it only makes it stronger and more determined to consume everything. Of course, time will tell what path the story will take but I do see some parallels. "We End As We Began." Thank You for another awesome look into the lore, StallordD.
I did NOT realize until now that the Jahu Gargoyle is made up of all three surviving Cavia - Bird's lower body, Tagfer's upper body and Fibonacci's head.
Timing couldnt be better.
Literally just rolled a green cig warmed up a bowl of gumbo and came on YT for something to watch and saw this🎉.
I think one small tidbit that is worth mentioning is that the reason why the Kalymos Sequence was activated in the first place is because of the massive Void portal Ballas recklessly opened up at the end of The New War. As noted on Albrecht's computer next to Loid in the Sanctum Anatomica, this gave the Indifference a lot more room to express its influence in the material realm, essentially ringing a massive alarm bell that forced the Kalymos Sequence to be enacted before it is too late.
Im still certain its a Link to "Dark Sector" now. Even if they vehemently said that it ISNT linked to Dark Sector, Arthur basically confirms it by beeing Excalibur same as Hayden Tenno was. Its not the EXACT Dark Sector, but similarily enough!
Bro.. There are a lot of warframe lore guys but I believe you deserve the most views. Been following you for a long time (8 years) and your lore videos are the most accurate to my understanding of what the warframe lore is. You deserve way more recognition. Will like and share with friends.
Agreed. Huge work of organizing and summarizing the whole storyline, with temporal reference, and just the right amount of speculation. More clarity than other Warframe loremasters!
It could also be that Albrecht did not land in 1999, but far earlier, and the Orokin script became a way for him and possible associates to communicate in secret, as a form of cypher.
Would it be possible to assume that what we call "The Void Entity" / "The man in the wall" was partly created back in that 1999 by the very decision of Albrecht to return to that year, in which, with our help of course, in some possible future quest, the Old Entrati manages to entrap it into nothingness again, by sacrificing himself. And then, in that new time thread, leading somehow to the possible future of the Orokin civilization, it will be rediscovered and uleashed by the young Albrecht, still experimenting with the Void in his laboratory, repeating the story again and again for eternity?
Could it be that the stories of the Quills of Cetus for the Old Gods long forgotten (Quill Onko and Gara quest) , are referring to that time in the past when the Void entity was somehow able to catch up to Albrecht in 1999, leaving enough signs for the present people in that era to create and tell stories, which were able to reach even the Quills in modern post Orokin era?
Could it be that the words "We End As We Began" are related to a never ending cycle of unleashing and entrapment of this entity by Albrecht for eternity, and with every repeated cycle it gains more power to bend the laws of Time and Continuity, but with these constant eternal boring repetitions, hidden among nothingness for most of its existance, longing for any type of encounter, it innevitably turns into the "Indifference" itself?
Holy crap, I think you're onto something here.
The king is back! And he has brought 45 minutes of lore galore! Thanks for the upload, the effort, the quality content. Much love!
Always look forward to your videos. I'm very happy that you've continued to be interested in this story and share your thoughts about it in a cool way. This one was no exception. Thank you!
Thank you for this. A lot of the deeper connections and symbolism eluded me while playing through the Whispers in the Wall content, and this cleared up a lot of the questions I had. Like why it ended the way it did.
The 'what I expected' to 'what I got' from this game is *WILD*
Incredible video. I don't usually have the time to grind for every bit of information, so I miss a lot of the weird, but deep lore of Warframe. Instant like
I'm not sure where the appelation "World of Dust" came from, but damn is that a cool way to describe the physical realm
The Red Veil in the Chains of Harrow, if I remember correctly
thank you for tying things toghether. its sometimes hard to feel confident in one's own interpretation of the quests and what they try to convey
so having it layed out and explained so cohessively is honestly a blessing
I play the updates and make a few connections. And I mean a FEW. Then I watch this channel and go, "Oh my god...I actually didn't understand the story at all!" I think it's great that DE makes these narratives so deep, pulling so much from real world philosophies and concepts, so that I need outside help to fully appreciate what they did. They're not dragging it down for dumb dumbs like me. 😊
Once again an absolute banger, there is no other warframe lore channel that I turn notifications on and actuvely wait for the premiere of videos
Fun fact, most of the orokin towers in the void were meant to shelter people from sentients during the war and fall of the empire
This deserves my subscription! Excellent work!
The MR. Stall D himself
Was holding Elie Wiesels book "Night" when you quoted him. Got paranoid for a second. Nice video, thanks for the work 👍
Thank you. I didn't even know 1/10th of all that stuff. This is coming from someone that's 8.5k+ hours into this game.
Also I think that 1999 is at least partially designed to let DE 'reclaim' Dark Sector. If you search around it's not clear who actually owns Dark Sector. Is it D3? Is it ND Games? Is it DE? You won't be able to find a clear answer. But by redoing the events of Dark Sector via 1999, DS would just become one of the many strands of Eternalism while allowing those basic events to be a prequel to Warframe. That's my theory anyways.
Thank you again dude!
Heyyy I was waiting to listen to this. Good to see you're still in the game and I love your lore episodes. Hope you're having fun making them as much as I have fun listening. Thanks a lot for those
Thanks for the somewhat succinct and eloquent overview of the recent lore!
The audio logs in duviri describe Albrecht as "wearing his like a bunch of snakes" which lines up the the paintings and depictions we see pre-wispers. Maybe he just reneged on his plan not to do continuity anymore.
hmm Alchemy gamemode.. snakes... could it be that Lavos Prime has a connection with Albrecht? makes even more sense when his parts are sold by Father
@@tiekogalaxylatte8839 that's actually a really good point.
Warframe loremaster at it again 🔥
Excellent! Now I finally fully understand what's going on with the whole Albrecht-Void-Tenno situation. Welcome back Stallord!
Hey want to say goodjob on the video, been watching you for many years, i come back to warframe every now and again. Find that my meta stuff still works in Netracell and enjoy story but dont play long anymore to get those collectibles. So out of the kindness of my heart thank you.
The Man in the Wall's appearance in the New War is based on the blueprints for the Vessels, and the giant finger in the Zariman Reliquary probably matches one of the Vessels- severed from the Man in the Wall before the project even properly began. Each railjack uses a cloned finger from a vessel, imbued with the energies from the original finger.
Wally shouldn't be asking where his finger-bones are, he should be asking
NE KHRA NOMA ELU RA KAH, MARA LOHK?
Albrecht's skin color is odd. It's clearly blue when he touches Loid's face, but it looks less blue at other times.
if you look really closely during the transmission on the old computer, you can see that Albrecht has the hollow eyes like orokin have (you know, no iris no pupils etc), so my guess is that after he ditched continuity he might have retained some orokin-ish traits (blueish/really pale skin, hollow eyes), but maybe now that he is naturally aging his body adjusts to looking more "normal". plus there is the thing of having his skin regrown, which is what also makes him probably a bit half-human-half-orokin.
@Arthurie To my understanding, the Orokin are very adept at changing their appearance.
They would keep people as livestock essentially. For them to torture and mould into into the desired image. (See grandmother's cradle, which tells the tale of what Kuva was actually used for)
They would then transfer into the new body via continuity, the type of Kuva would determine whether the process was permanent.
Ballas seemingly was able to inhabit his body that he changed to look more sentient like. From the ideal blue skin and asymmetric limbs to some weird bisected reverse legged creature, made to fool the operator into thinking the Sentients were harming him.
It wouldn't be crazy to assume Albrecht changed his appearance to match that of early humans in 1999.
@@tomd96 Ballas was turned into a Sentient Amalgam after the events of the Sacrifice quest. He didn’t change his appearance to fool anyone, that was just how he survived after being stabbed by Umbra and the Operator.
Always looking forward to your lore videos, amazing
Thank you very much for continuing to make these lore summary videos. I've been watching alot of TheDsEIGE recently and its so annoying how much he rambles about meaningless nonsense and then ends his videos without ever actually saying anything and frequently misunderstanding directly stated information.
It just feels good to finally have good lore videos again.
oh my god, throughout the quest i was so confused but thanks to this i finally understand the story, thank you so much because ain't no way im finding this out on my own. now i know why the upcoming update is called the Lotus Eater
My best guess so far is that Albrecht as the first being ever to enter the void was the one that gave it some sense of form, something that it had never known before. If we look at how the void acts, it does share a lot of similarities with the younger Albrecht. It is eager, greedy, seeks to conquer and to explore. Same as Albrecht did everything he could to harness the void for his (the Orokin's) benefit, the void in return now does the same with the world of dust. The only being (so far) ever to merit the voids attention as much as Albrecht, is the operator we control. Though I am nor yet certain whether we are simply a tool for it, a means to sneak further into our reality, or if our Tenno, same as Albrecht, has imprinted parts of itself onto the void, altering its being into a mix of both Albrecht and us. It is also possible, that the void is shaped by everything from our reality it comes into contact with and we are only a tiny part of that.
Gotta say, I love the WF lore, but the eternalism and indifference parts do erode some of my enjoyment. The more I learn about the void, the less I feel I understand the lore, and the more likely it seems to me that the only conclusion that they will be able to have at the end will be something so vague or complex that it will not make for a satisfying conclusion to this wild journey. WF lore for me lives a lit through never knowing everything that is going on, same as a good TV series, but in the end there always is a conclusion and the more mind-breakingly twisted the story has become before that, the more likely the conclusion will be unsatisfying. At least in my experience so far. One solution would be to never explain everything fully, leaving some stuff open for interpretation in the best case, or simply not putting in a conclusion in the worst case. I'm not sure if I like either. It's a paradox that I both somehow want to understand it all, and yet know that I will like WF less once I do, because the mystery has finally been solved.
Everything will end eventually, even a mghty long-living game like WF. I hope we are still long away from that point and I do trust that DE will manage to continue their track record of twisting my brain with their lore. I just hope that in the end I will be able to look at decades of playing WF and enjoying the lore and feel contended.
Great video, you should do way more like these. It is truly a pleasure to listen to you, even if it's just tiny lore tidbids here and there about minor characters or irrelevant content pieces. Super awesome, I hope you continue these so I can always come back and get your interpretation of the latest WF lore bites
One tiny note: Netra does say 'digits" plural on the floor of the lab. But Wally in New War only has one finger missing so not sure which is the truth.
Yeah, its a factor that's thrown me off before, so I just go with whatever the most recent indicator is.
@@StallordD my one explanation without retconning is that maybe the orokin were trying to push the narrative that they got multiple fingers for some reason just like how they depict albrecht like a very traditional orokin even though it seems like that wasn't really his style. Just the executors subtly reinforcing their cultural biases and altering the narrative for a yet unknown purpose.
you make me apreciate the fumbled way warframe lore is told through the game and media just so I can be spoon fed it's lore by you
It does make me curious of what Seriglass is since apparently it could shield someone from the void.
I think the reason Albrecht doesn't look as Orokin as he does in his portrait, is that he intentionally scaled back his augmentations in order to blend in with 1999.
As to the orokin script in 1999, I think this is filtered through the Tenno's perception, making any writing only look like orokin script to the Tenno.
So, in 1999 when the New Years Eve was happening, the Y2K was not just a technological global crash but was the Infestation Virus taking over the world?
Not confirmed; Plus, the whole panic over Y2K was really just people being stupid.
Okay, I had to stop watching about 10 minutes before the end because I only just finished the opening quest last night, but this was an awesome video! I can't wait to come back to this video after I play more missions and unlock stuff, as well as check out your other content.
Dude i want to go to sleep but then you pop up you sir are a good reason to stay up
4:23 I always wondered how we had so many fingers (multiple locations, every Railjack, every Void-ready Spaceship), if only 1 was cut off. Good to know!
Saying the plague year is 1999 makes me question: how far is waframe in the future and why did we winded up back to 1999?
I prefer to believe that this 1999 is in fact our 1999, and that the scriptures are just how the tenno percieve the writting, not actual orokin writting.
Albrecht the type of guy to influence the past enough so we have Technology advanced ninjas but not computers that support date formats past the year 1999
I'd like to believe that the titans of albrecht's labs were designed just to go out and throw hands towards a formed indifference and it's fragmented tides
Just a whole lotta gigantic guys and perhaps too much anger to contain
I think that’s 100% the original plan, but obviously it’s not gonna be as effective as our Tenno’s plan
Haven’t seen a Warframe lore video in ages
This was a great video. There were some details I had missed. I like that, at this point, even though Albrecht is shown to be an extremely intelligent and insightful guy, his many flaws always keep him from seeing the big picture. I hope that they keep this dynamic going forward and don't make him a guy who has read the script. One thing that wasn't touched on was his tone on the vessels fragments. While he has his goals and plans when creating the vessels, once again we see him being struck by the same hubris. He needs an operator, but to him the operator is a tool. Albrecht is the one who will figure it out, he's the guy playing 4d chess with the chthonic void entity. Even though he learned a lesson from Euleria's stories in Duviri, he hasn't stopped thinking of himself as the only one who can do anything about the MitW. I hope his arrogance plays a big role in 1999 when it comes out.
I'm thinking 1999 may be drawing on inspirations from Dark Sector. Not that they are the same timeline, but that these two games are finally converging in some small way.
Brilliant, been playing 6 years and only learning now
This video is exactly what I've been looking for.
Thank you 😁
oh fuk the Jahu Gargoyle is a chimera of all the Cavia animals sent to the void lol
I like your theory that Warframe is just completely different reality than where we are. It would really open up doors to let the WF writers have more freedom in future stories, not tethered to our history and make real life comparisons.
I love your videos i cant wait for a full recap tbh when we know everything
A lot of what is mentioned here is what I was assuming atm (assuming as I had no idea there were also the readable passages, being too occupied grinding for stuff)
My wild guess atm at the question posed by the Indifference, is that we as Tenno are not the original children of the Zariman. we are in fact beings just like the Indifference.
Void given flesh.
for a easy analogy, take Alex Mercer from the Prototype series.
We are the Blacklight Virus (void beings), but are unaware of it due to our personality and memories being copies of the original Children of the Zariman.
Its time to deep-dive into warframe lore again
yes honey
This is just me throwing ideas out there, but what if what makes the year 1999 important is the emergence of the infested hive mind? It's the first thing that jumps out at me as emerging from the great plague. maybe there is such a volume of conscious locked in there that it changes how the murmur has to interact with the world?
Can i argue against the human depiction of Albrecht by saying that our wallter clone is of how we looked when we were exposed to the void in it's entirety. Pair that with Albrecht being a lower tier member of the caste society at the time, he wouldn't have access to the augments that we see Neil De'glass Tyson and Ballas.
So, i believe that the 'human' Albrecht is merely Wallter's mimicry of him when his void diving bell broke, and as such, has manipulated Loid into bringing them into "the one place he cannot reach", furthering Wallter's conquest, hence Albrecht's ominous and Wallter-like smile when he arrives
Man, I thought Wispers In The Walls WAS 1999. Glad it isn’t!
Honestly I feel bad for the Cavia who lost its mate, seeing the creatures reaction made me nearly shed a tear.
All things need to learn to live in peace by themselves first before they add others in. The cat goat looking thing did not have that first lesson being a mindless animal before it became self aware
45 minutes, great! I know what I'm watching tomorrow while having my morning coffee. Cheers!
You know, Imma be real mad if the MitW's void tongue question is just "you mad at me, kiddo?"
You know it could make sense why the infestation in our orbiter knows so much about
The 1999 chapter makes me think that darksector is back, at least in spiritual form, to warframe lore
It should be noted that Dark Sectors, a game made previously buy Digital Extremes. Was set in the year 1999.
This is Kingdom Hearts level of WTF LORE.
I loved when we got to play as Hayden Tenno from Dark Sector!
Its really interesting to see how this professor vs student role kinda is betwen the two. One not wanting the other to be apart of the clean up operation of their mess and the other upset that over time they still arent treated as an equal to be fully involved in the plans. Just being the only one with an inkling as to whats going on.
I got you on the Mara translation. Just need a little more Khra 😉
When I first saw the 1999 showcase, I just assumed it was an origin story for the technocyte infestation. Y2K being the event where technology "took over" the world. Maybe the beginning of the plague was a unique enough event to tie in with Albrecht's theory of the Indifference drawing its focus toward uniqueness
Something to note that has changed now is that in the two last alignment choices we decided on what happened in the past for another person, not ourselves. When we ask Loid what Albrecht said to him we decided what HE said, and that affected US. They don't just do that for no reason. I'm assuming that since the collapse of our timeline and our strengthened connection to our wally, it also effects our connection to Albrecht void clone and thus affected our connection to Albrecht. I'm curious to see how our perception of ourselves and reality may change from this point on. It might get trippy af.
This is just an idea or speculation of 1999 that could explain why theirs orikin language at the time which is 1999 is isn’t actually time travel but rather a depiction of 1999 through entrati through archives and antiques in the labs translated into the Void like how Duvuri is created through the Tales of Duvuri story of which Albert visited that place. However still questions why wants to go to 1999 maybe a place escape or something else
THE WF LORE guy is back baby!!!!!
I feel like I need a "what we know" video explaining this "what we know" video.
wait a minute where's that finger I never saw that 😳, I must admit this the best lore Video I've seen thus far. thank you
I simply don't buy DE is not slowly canonizing Dark Sector. Like, ain't no way they just choose year 1999 just cause, a close year to Dark Sector's setting and then add Great Plague to the setting, just as homage to the series. Like, it's just lines up perfectly that Great Plague didn't just start out of nowhere, but it's continuation of what we saw in Dark Sector. Could it be that after ending of the game, Hayden Tenno being recovered by US military from scuffle with USSR, he started to mutate further OR US intelligence started to experiment on him to weaponize infestation which then spiralled out of control, thus Hayden becoming source and Patient Zero and cause of 1999 Great Plague? Would explain how Ballas found that perfect Helminth strain that creates Warframes, it's from OG himself. Like it simply fits.
Ballas did not ‘find’ the Helminth strain, it was created specifically to yield the Warframes, as stated fairly clearly within the Sacrifice quest.
@@azmbp2so the proto Warframes is a edited version of Helminth made by Albrecht? A alteration to make someone halfway into a Warframe but allowing them to still maintain their sense of self? That was my understanding at least
I think maybe Albrecht's grand plan might be aiming at going back and preventing his initial encounter with Wall-E, essentially snuffing out the spark of the Void's hunger for the Origin System before his past self had the potential to even begin lighting it
Anyone ever wonders how a freaking fish was able to "blow the containment seal" on this advanced exploration vessel? I wouldn't dwell on it so much, had it not been such a big deal in Cavia's storyline.
I actually first had the thought when Loid mentioned Fibonacci cheating at komi ("how does he cheat at komi he doesn't have HANDS", followed immediately by "how does he PLAY komi he doesn't HAVE HANDS") and then I remembered the seal thing ("how did he break the seal on the bell he was presumably inside a tank inside the bell and he DOESN'T. HAVE. HANDS") and now I'm blatantly confused. Is Fibonacci telepathic? I feel like that's too much of an important detail to overlook...
Good to hear you again, Stall.
The way The Man In The Wall came to be reminds me of the lore of the League of Legends void and The Watchers who were awoken because of reality existing. A simplistic version but interesting nonetheless in how reality could be corrupted by the void but the void could be corrupted by reality which is how Bel'veth came to be and how The Watchers were able to take on form and invade reality in the first place.
I've see some parallels in Warhammer 40k with the Immaterium/The Warp as a realm of thought.
It's interesting how all have a similarity in that all are quite literally a void in dual sense. If it is truly nothing then it is also everything in a way. Probably not completely but an useful way to think of it.
Kind of reminds me of some sayings about the Dao in Daoism such it being like water or air in that it takes shape based on the form it inhabits or molds around.
My thinking is that it's either not just different future but also alternate past, or because Albrecht went back it did something to that past- changed the Y2K from a theoretical apocalypse into a real one
As for why Albrecht's 1999 seems different than our own 1999, I suspect it is BECAUSE this new instance has been traveled to and tampered with.
Something I would like to point out about when we reach the epiloge .Is that when introduced void version of Albright shows up our void self stops smiling This might imply that each instance of an individual exposed completely to the void creates a whole new void entity
Mara meaning kiddo makes a bit too much sense. I like that
In Buddhism mara is some evil demon or god and since Helminth and Balas also called us demons I assume it implies more to demon than child
@@95freakout fair, but also void tongue somehow being connected to buddism is odd. That said, also makes sense. I just default to kiddo since that's what the paralysis demon clone calls us with Google translate on.
It calls you kiddo because that's what the operators parents called them. That was their nick name. It uses a familiar nick name or pet name when referring to the person it is mimicking. So this implies it knows your memories and chooses to greet you in a very familiar way as if you both know one another well.
I would love to have Loid's fit. I'd also like to see a third operator/drifter mode to switch through.
If only Albrecht had just sent a cat or something in first we'd have kitty in the wall.
Also not just one of his fingers, a few.
Fantastic work as always stallord ❤
the lore master is back!
Gentleman it's time to gather for the Lord of lore has returned
It's very cool to see how the video talks about Loid's relationship with Albrecht as love because let's be honest, not everyone realizes how their relationship is more than just a very good friendship or in the worst case they simply don't want to accept that Albrecht loves Loid. (I love the lore too, these updates have given us a lot) Keep making videos, they're great!💯
Its amazing that Warframe is somehow too subtle about this for some people
@@LadySatya true true
Bruh it was painfully obvious. Loid is the sterotypical gay butler. He clearly loves Albrecht but I'm not sure the latter shares the same honest feeling.
So far, I think Albrecht used Loid's feelings to his advantage.
@@mattmark94 At the beginning of his diary he says how his love for Loid saved him from his wish to die, I don't think you have read the pages of his diary in the codex.
@Zero-rq5uh I did not read the codex, I only finished this quest yesterday.