Love the idea of a fully traditional army with two Western advisors. "So, uh... anything you'd like us to show you today?" "Nope, still have it handled, thank you" "Alright, well... if you change your mind, we'll be here" "We won't but thank you" "We could at least show your officer how to use those revolvers" "They'll figure it out, thank you. Just sit around a look pretty"
they'd probably be something like logistics officers, to keep track of rations and other supplies: someone has to make sure the tar on fire arrows remains fresh!
"Well dang, I didn't come all the way here from San Francisco for this." "I say, Mister Smith, I believe I saw several good bottles back in my tent. Perhaps an inspection is in order?" "And that's why I like you English bastards. After you!"
I love that most of the non-fantasy total war cheese is actually not that absurd, it almost always involves exploiting terrain advantages and AI indecision and, you know, tricking the enemy into situations where you have the local advantage most of the fantasy cheese is absurd stuff like flying a giant bird around for 20 minutes so you can waste the enemy's ammo or whatever.
yeah like forcing the artillery to deploy by having a light archer ride in range and having the enemy army walking into your fire line, legit historical stuff. Warhammer has much more cheese that's a given, it would be cool to have a more grounded version of it more akin to historical titles
Well yeah, the only real cheese you can do is tactical. There's no magic, no monsters, nothing like that. You could have super boosted shogetai with the charge buff and damage buff and top veterancy, if they run head first into green line infantry they will die
That example might not be the best, since if such a giant bird existed in real life, using it to waste the enemy's ammo could very well be a realistic tactic
Not sure how you can watch Legend's content and believe that 😂 the cheese has always been there in every TW game and really hasn't gotten better or worse Jesus christ
I love doing traditional only myself, the biggest problem is that despite the fact that they perform well on manual resolve, their autoresolve value is crap, so you have to manually resolve almost everything.
@@GeraltofRivia22 you fight a shit ton of naval battles though. and if you don't want to go broke you need to resolve them manually since autoresolve sucks.
@@Void-wanderer yeah, I mod out naval battles whenever I play Shogun 2. Way too annoying after the 1st couple of campaigns and auto resolve is broken with them.
@@GeraltofRivia22 Autoresolve 3 figates against one corvette, somehow half the integrity of the frigates are lost. What mods do you use? The ai just spams tiny fleets in the midgame and its awful
Battles like this, which use non-meta unit composition and require a lot of multi-tasking remind me how bonkers good Legend actually is at these games.
Unless I spam pause I wind up like this: "Okay, what's going on over here?" *proceeds to spend next two minutes only paying attention to that spot* "Heyyyy... why are all my archers dead?"
People tend to give a lot of crap to legend saying that he only spam heroes or archers and break the ai with cheese (which mostly comes from the Warhammer experience) but there's plenty of videos where Legend can't do any cheese and shows the skill of one of the most veteran total war players
Ngl, every time Legend does a video on FOTS, I really want him to wait a bit more at the beginning so that "Duty Call" can be fully played. Such epic theme that it gets me hyped every time before entering a battle. The feeling is even more immense in this scenario, a full traditional fending off 3 modern stack with such "The Last Samurai" style. Thank you for this epic battle by the way !
Traditional armies routinely perform well on maps where you have access to reverse slopes and I think some of the Legend's previous traditional army disaster battles didn't utilize these to full extent, but getting such a decisive victory on flat ground involved some really neat micro. Well done!
In my traditional only I was really surprised how great this units actually are. All of them (except ninjas) extremely cost efficient and allow some really dirty ai cheese. Btw really surprised that Legend didn't use hills... Not usual "ladder" tactic, but hiding behind the hill with melee and archers (work with random houses on map). Ai will try make line of sight and get closer allowing you to impose melee and shred any modern infantry with charge.
2 and a half armies? No problem for Traditional Aizu. Yari Ki and Shogetai are pretty much some of the best traditional units in the game and are incredibly powerful when used right and can avoid mass gunlines or artillery fields of fire. Traditional units only is a really challenge, and very powerful with the right units and tactics like Legend did in this video.
Bow Katchi are actually pretty underrated, especially as the attacker in sieges. I can fire upon entrenched enemies with impunity and wipe out all their rifle infantry thanks to their ability to fire at any angle. And if need be I can use their flame arrow ability to burn down gates and walls from a safe distance
This has gotta be one of the best Legend battles I’ve seen in a while. Legendary difficulty. Tech disadvantage. No hill crutch. No cheese. If this was a real life battle you could have replayed it in FOTS
This was such an entertaining video to watch because this was one of the first times I think I've seen a video of yours be mainly focused on your actual standard micro gameplay rather than relying on your knowledge of the AI I do love your normal content too but it was fun to see this side of things * I will say recently the placement/terrain strategic side of things has been excellent with the historical titles too
Bow Kachi can actually win a 1 v 1 against sharpshooters thanks to their rate of fire. That said sharpshooters are an overall better unit thanks to gun's moral shock, upfront volley damage, and their access to suppression fire, but Bow Kachi are still a good skirmisher unit. Their ability to fire indirectly, range, and the fact that most modern units lack of armor makes them surprisingly lethal.
I recently started a campaign as the Aizu and have come to realize that traditional units are extremely powerful in the early game. Late game as well, but especially before units with good accuracy and techs like kneel fire
Late game red bird infantry is immune against winter. That means, aizu can attack during the entire year without fear of casualties outside of battle. If playing against another player. You can conquer while they have to worry about their troops freezing to death.
Merry Christmas Legend! May your aim of superseding official TW channel in the coming be gloriously fulfilled. The content has been solid of late, my thanks for that. This battle brought to mind the Battle of Austerlitz, wherein Napoleon famously quoted (on allies making an erroneous maneuver, trying to flank march to turn the French right flank much like in this video:) "[--] let us wait twenty minutes; when the enemy is making a false movement we must take good care not to interrupt him.”
Last video I was challenging LegendofTotalWar to do a traditional army only campaign and now I got blessed with this disaster battle video, but I still want him to try it out, the rules I set were: “only traditional army, waiting at least the minimum so that the enemies had modern rifles and full conquest, and if I missed something go check the Ireland video that was released before this one”
I just did a campaign like this but also made the choice of keeping modernisation at 0 and not building any building that gives modernisation. Also, no ships as they're too modern. Pretty interesting run.
I obviously know what you mean but I’m chucking at the idea that *all* ships *in general* are too advanced and thus must be avoided. Does make me wish there was like 1 traditional ship you could recruit if you wanted to be a psycho.
@@cloroxbleach9222 yeah even the irl traditional clans didnt try that, they just boarded and stole what modern ships they could instead (one of the last battles was Ezo Republic elite samurai boarding the imperial flagship in a mass ambush)
@@Rynewulf There weren't really traditional clans in real life, just ones that didn't have the money or connections to acquire as many modern weapons as quickly. And as for the navies, neither side had to steal modern ships. The Shogunate already had a navy made up of modern ships bought from Europe and the US with a few even built domestically. In fact, that Imperial flagship you're referring to, the ironclad Kotetsu, and the ship that tried to board it, the Kaiten, were both purchased by the Shogunate from the US and Britain respectively. The rest of the Imperial navy was made up of ships that the Imperial aligned clans had similarly purchased from Western powers.
Full traditional playthroughs in FoTS is so much fun. I play on hard difficulty and it still dominates the campaign. Once your men get to their lines there's really nothing they can do to repel you.
Congratulations! Holy shit that was glorious! Not a lot of cheese but definitely using tactics and spouting off Sun Tzu level commentary xD class act here!
*" I don't have a plan, so I have to wait for one to appear "* - Legend Of Total War, Circa 2023. No plan will resist the contact with the enemy though, so we always need new ones to appear x)
I have always like bow kai when the terrain is terrible for guns and the bow unit has good accuracy. Can shred modern units due to them having no armor; which is the one stat that matters to traditional units.
Since Legend was fielding a traditional army, I'm surprised he chose to wait out the fog. I figured having missiles units be less accurate would be to his advantage.
Bow kachi are brilliant in sieges and rugged maps since they can fire above and arround terrain, essentialy sometimes being able to trade whith their enemy skirmishers for free
The most difficult part of a traditional only campaign is having to manually fight every battle and being forced to always employ crafty strategies and cheese in order to win them, since guns have very high autocalc value and win any head-on fight against traditional units. These campaigns fatigue you very quickly.
Shogitai/Katana Kachi is overpowered if they can close the distance without casualties. They can also use routing enemies as shield, And it is perfect if the routing enemies run directly to enemy line instead of to the side, Enemy in the second line will hesitate to shoot their routing friends.
Yiss! I'd really want to see a campaign for this too. Even better if you use the enhanced mod so the AI brings better armies, AI has a weird obsession with wooden canons and thrash levy units because CA didn't bother to properly adjust unit evaluation
Its also a building restriction, modern buildings including expanding settlements has major happiness debuffs, which is probably why the fots ai barely develops their lands compared to normal Shogun2. Provinces that start with Dojos and cadet schools tend to end with top tier buildings and units fairly quickly, and their clans thus tend to field very strong armies. Spear and infantry levies and wooden cannons get spammed because you can get them virtually anywhere
@@RynewulfI'd say it beats AI spamming castles everywhere and make your food supply go into the red as soon as you captured them because AI just don't give an F to food supply public order penalty or growth from surplus on higher difficulties. (Just like Hojo and their Gold province for example.) Teching to level 4 farms is a must in vanilla Shogun 2 because of this, which waste quite a lot of turns to get.
@@machaiping fair enough you have your preferences. I like how in vanilla over time the ai produces more advanced samurai more regularly, feels like time has passed and theyre teching up. The food supply thing I feel always comes up just because its baked in and so finely balanced, like how in FotS you have to be prepared to deal with big unhappiness debuffs due to alignment and modernisation from tech and buildings, making it just as necessary to research happiness and spam inns as it is to research and spam farms in vanilla
I played a lot of ranked multiplayer back in the day and i remember when FoTS first launched. Shogitai was the most busted unit to ever grace total war. They could tank like 2 volleys without losing a single unit. They could beat ANY modern or sengoku unit in melee and to top it off they could even tank a cav charge and still kill the cav. They got nerfed eventually but damn those were some rough games up until then
How are people sending in legendary difficulty battles? Are you saving the save file in another folder then loading the battle and attempting to win, then sending the save file to Legend? Because I always just fight the battle and then it overwrites the save so I can't send it in prebattle. I tried finding where the save limiting was in the code to remove it but I have no idea if that's possible. Really pisses me off that a single mistake or bug can irreparably destroy hours of a campaign.
One question, is there any reason not to use rapid advance when charging using yari kachi? It seems that it might lessen the speed gap between them and cav
Me:Oh boy another fall of the samurai were he only is gonna do a deployment on a hill and see how he massacres everything, fuuuuun!!!! See thumbnail:oh boy, forget what i said, this is gonna be interesting
Hi Legend, You choose only vannila total wars for saving battle? I have some troubles with my atilla medieval kingdoms campaning, bcs I play when I was drunk, so um... Bulgarians wants to destroy my Byzantium.
I once recruited an army of horse archers just becouse i had extra cash and sent them to die, but even tho the balance of power was 90% red the auto resolve wone with minimal loses and the entire enemy stack got wiped so yea just spam horse archers
Why are all enemies in this game white themed? I've watch a few of your shogun 2 videos and the enemies always wear white clothes and carry white flags
I was thinking about it. I was saving it for when the fighting got tough and i needed them to be unbreakable but that didn't end up happening. worst thing is to have an ability you need on cooldown because you used it when they first went into melee
Id have thought the foggy weather would be better, since it nerfs ranged units and you're mostly melee, can understand if you just skipped it on instinct tho
The AI is garbage at utilising Modern units, you can quite easily win FOTS by purely spamming Yari Levy, and commit 100% of your building slots to Traditional Economy which lets you spam even more Yari levy, buffed by the starter buffs. This battle might have challenging with 1 army of specialists, but with a 60 stack of Yari Levy, and using forests and hills to avoid gunlines, anything is easy.
Why didn't he rush them when they were all clumped up while crossing the bridge (just on ONE of the bridges)? Have 1/2 of their army isolated & also unable to shoot due to being stacked seems like a legit way of beating this, no?
The state of the company make me doubt in to buying twh3 but yeah maybe with the state of the game with amount of hot fixes maybe can compromised it btw i got the previous game and all dlc maybe consider 50% to be a good deal
Yeah, but I would also recommend getting some of the good dlcs. All the Skaven dlc are great, chaos dwarves, champions of chaos, Lizardman. The base game has few good campaigns, I would just play with them on immortal empires and you can get a dlc if you run into a faction that seems interesting.
I don’t really understand why you didn’t rush for the trees, hide, and catch them at the crossing - running away if the first units crossing aren’t the linemen ? But I do see how if that negative condition occurs you’ll exhaust the shogitai you brought in which id imagine you need 3 + a Yari kachi + Yari ki nearby for the other bridge in case Edit: oh shit seeing the remainder of those full stacks popping up at once was crazy lol Edit 2: this was a masterclass, I’ve learned
Love the idea of a fully traditional army with two Western advisors.
"So, uh... anything you'd like us to show you today?"
"Nope, still have it handled, thank you"
"Alright, well... if you change your mind, we'll be here"
"We won't but thank you"
"We could at least show your officer how to use those revolvers"
"They'll figure it out, thank you. Just sit around a look pretty"
they'd probably be something like logistics officers, to keep track of rations and other supplies: someone has to make sure the tar on fire arrows remains fresh!
@@Pilvenugawhy the hell is my logistical officer trying to tell me what to do or what's happening in the battlefield
@@adambrande they wouldnt, they'd be telling you all is taken care of when you inquire about the state of the army
well one of them is probably a Tom Cruise character
"Well dang, I didn't come all the way here from San Francisco for this."
"I say, Mister Smith, I believe I saw several good bottles back in my tent. Perhaps an inspection is in order?"
"And that's why I like you English bastards. After you!"
I love that most of the non-fantasy total war cheese is actually not that absurd, it almost always involves exploiting terrain advantages and AI indecision and, you know, tricking the enemy into situations where you have the local advantage
most of the fantasy cheese is absurd stuff like flying a giant bird around for 20 minutes so you can waste the enemy's ammo or whatever.
yeah like forcing the artillery to deploy by having a light archer ride in range and having the enemy army walking into your fire line, legit historical stuff.
Warhammer has much more cheese that's a given, it would be cool to have a more grounded version of it more akin to historical titles
Well yeah, the only real cheese you can do is tactical. There's no magic, no monsters, nothing like that. You could have super boosted shogetai with the charge buff and damage buff and top veterancy, if they run head first into green line infantry they will die
I mean irl, you weren't confined to a box in the real world whenever a battle took place, so you can't corner camp.
That example might not be the best, since if such a giant bird existed in real life, using it to waste the enemy's ammo could very well be a realistic tactic
Not sure how you can watch Legend's content and believe that 😂 the cheese has always been there in every TW game and really hasn't gotten better or worse Jesus christ
I love doing traditional only myself, the biggest problem is that despite the fact that they perform well on manual resolve, their autoresolve value is crap, so you have to manually resolve almost everything.
i cant play fots any other way
It's not like you fight that many battles in Shogun 2 anyway.
@@GeraltofRivia22 you fight a shit ton of naval battles though. and if you don't want to go broke you need to resolve them manually since autoresolve sucks.
@@Void-wanderer yeah, I mod out naval battles whenever I play Shogun 2. Way too annoying after the 1st couple of campaigns and auto resolve is broken with them.
@@GeraltofRivia22 Autoresolve 3 figates against one corvette, somehow half the integrity of the frigates are lost. What mods do you use? The ai just spams tiny fleets in the midgame and its awful
Battles like this, which use non-meta unit composition and require a lot of multi-tasking remind me how bonkers good Legend actually is at these games.
I agree. I am not that quick.
Unless I spam pause I wind up like this: "Okay, what's going on over here?" *proceeds to spend next two minutes only paying attention to that spot* "Heyyyy... why are all my archers dead?"
People tend to give a lot of crap to legend saying that he only spam heroes or archers and break the ai with cheese (which mostly comes from the Warhammer experience) but there's plenty of videos where Legend can't do any cheese and shows the skill of one of the most veteran total war players
Ngl, every time Legend does a video on FOTS, I really want him to wait a bit more at the beginning so that "Duty Call" can be fully played. Such epic theme that it gets me hyped every time before entering a battle. The feeling is even more immense in this scenario, a full traditional fending off 3 modern stack with such "The Last Samurai" style. Thank you for this epic battle by the way !
Duty Call is truly incredible! One of the best pre battles theme in Total War history!
Traditional armies routinely perform well on maps where you have access to reverse slopes and I think some of the Legend's previous traditional army disaster battles didn't utilize these to full extent, but getting such a decisive victory on flat ground involved some really neat micro. Well done!
In my traditional only I was really surprised how great this units actually are. All of them (except ninjas) extremely cost efficient and allow some really dirty ai cheese. Btw really surprised that Legend didn't use hills... Not usual "ladder" tactic, but hiding behind the hill with melee and archers (work with random houses on map). Ai will try make line of sight and get closer allowing you to impose melee and shred any modern infantry with charge.
This was mostly flat terrain with really only one tiny hill and that shrine, the terrain here really wasn't in favour for those tactics
There is a video where he uses a forested hill to his advantage, and decimates the modern army
2 and a half armies? No problem for Traditional Aizu. Yari Ki and Shogetai are pretty much some of the best traditional units in the game and are incredibly powerful when used right and can avoid mass gunlines or artillery fields of fire. Traditional units only is a really challenge, and very powerful with the right units and tactics like Legend did in this video.
Bow Katchi are actually pretty underrated, especially as the attacker in sieges. I can fire upon entrenched enemies with impunity and wipe out all their rifle infantry thanks to their ability to fire at any angle. And if need be I can use their flame arrow ability to burn down gates and walls from a safe distance
Archers are fantastic when your enemies aren't wearing any armour and aren't in the right position to fire their guns.
This has gotta be one of the best Legend battles I’ve seen in a while. Legendary difficulty. Tech disadvantage. No hill crutch. No cheese. If this was a real life battle you could have replayed it in FOTS
Hills aint crutches, thwy are my rock! They are my ancour!
Yeah hills are totally cheating /s
My favorite traditional units in the army are revolver-armed generals and western advisors :p
They’re not advisors, they’re the general’s mates. And their traditional weapon is the revolvet
This is my save file. Thanks, Legend.
This is the best video I've seen for a while. The start was like watching a horror movie. The middle and the end too.
This was such an entertaining video to watch because this was one of the first times I think I've seen a video of yours be mainly focused on your actual standard micro gameplay rather than relying on your knowledge of the AI
I do love your normal content too but it was fun to see this side of things
* I will say recently the placement/terrain strategic side of things has been excellent with the historical titles too
Great battle. That micro was absolutely intense. If i was in the same position i would panic seeing all those units come in. Great show.
I really love disaster battles that are a little bit more messy like this one
What a battle, so much things going on and yet perfect control and reading of the situation. Amazing Legend.
Merry Christmas Legend and everyone else!
Bow Kachi can actually win a 1 v 1 against sharpshooters thanks to their rate of fire. That said sharpshooters are an overall better unit thanks to gun's moral shock, upfront volley damage, and their access to suppression fire, but Bow Kachi are still a good skirmisher unit. Their ability to fire indirectly, range, and the fact that most modern units lack of armor makes them surprisingly lethal.
I recently started a campaign as the Aizu and have come to realize that traditional units are extremely powerful in the early game. Late game as well, but especially before units with good accuracy and techs like kneel fire
Late game red bird infantry is immune against winter. That means, aizu can attack during the entire year without fear of casualties outside of battle.
If playing against another player. You can conquer while they have to worry about their troops freezing to death.
Merry Christmas Legend! May your aim of superseding official TW channel in the coming be gloriously fulfilled. The content has been solid of late, my thanks for that.
This battle brought to mind the Battle of Austerlitz, wherein Napoleon famously quoted (on allies making an erroneous maneuver, trying to flank march to turn the French right flank much like in this video:) "[--] let us wait twenty minutes; when the enemy is making a false movement we must take good care not to interrupt him.”
Last video I was challenging LegendofTotalWar to do a traditional army only campaign and now I got blessed with this disaster battle video, but I still want him to try it out, the rules I set were: “only traditional army, waiting at least the minimum so that the enemies had modern rifles and full conquest, and if I missed something go check the Ireland video that was released before this one”
Your asking for alot pall
@@juliovielma8703 Well he's one of THE only one that could manage something like that, it would be a difficult challange that he might want to take
Damn, this is quite micro intensive. I would not have been able to pull it off without units getting shot all over the place because I didn't notice
13:06 He was trying to say that hesitation is defeat.
I just did a campaign like this but also made the choice of keeping modernisation at 0 and not building any building that gives modernisation. Also, no ships as they're too modern. Pretty interesting run.
I obviously know what you mean but I’m chucking at the idea that *all* ships *in general* are too advanced and thus must be avoided. Does make me wish there was like 1 traditional ship you could recruit if you wanted to be a psycho.
@@commandercorscant imagine that holy shit. the bunes are already atrocious against trading carracks imagine attacking a steam gunboat with bunes
Honestly even an explicit transport bune so you can atleast get to shikoku. @@cloroxbleach9222
@@cloroxbleach9222 yeah even the irl traditional clans didnt try that, they just boarded and stole what modern ships they could instead (one of the last battles was Ezo Republic elite samurai boarding the imperial flagship in a mass ambush)
@@Rynewulf There weren't really traditional clans in real life, just ones that didn't have the money or connections to acquire as many modern weapons as quickly.
And as for the navies, neither side had to steal modern ships. The Shogunate already had a navy made up of modern ships bought from Europe and the US with a few even built domestically. In fact, that Imperial flagship you're referring to, the ironclad Kotetsu, and the ship that tried to board it, the Kaiten, were both purchased by the Shogunate from the US and Britain respectively. The rest of the Imperial navy was made up of ships that the Imperial aligned clans had similarly purchased from Western powers.
1:08
Usually that's a consensual act. You shouldn't force someone to do that on you.
that one shogitai unit hanging out with the bow kachi without legend noticing: 🏹🏹🏹😐🏹🏹🏹
This is why you are the best! Have a good Christmas Legend
Full traditional playthroughs in FoTS is so much fun. I play on hard difficulty and it still dominates the campaign. Once your men get to their lines there's really nothing they can do to repel you.
Congratulations! Holy shit that was glorious! Not a lot of cheese but definitely using tactics and spouting off Sun Tzu level commentary xD class act here!
*" I don't have a plan, so I have to wait for one to appear "*
- Legend Of Total War, Circa 2023.
No plan will resist the contact with the enemy though, so we always need new ones to appear x)
Day #7 of asking Legend to bring back his old outro quote "See you next time... Fuckers!"
note： Shogunate guard calvary is “traditional”， it is a variation of Yari-ki(idk if that consider traditional)
Man this battle was a delight to watch
I have always like bow kai when the terrain is terrible for guns and the bow unit has good accuracy. Can shred modern units due to them having no armor; which is the one stat that matters to traditional units.
This is how the battle in the last samurai will have went if legend was here
Since Legend was fielding a traditional army, I'm surprised he chose to wait out the fog. I figured having missiles units be less accurate would be to his advantage.
I imagine that with such a smaller army and so many bow kachi, he didnt want to hamstring 1/3rd of his army
The fog is just annoying for the player especially if you want to bug out the enemy artillery and can barely see if they are deployed or not
We saw the Mist and thought in the Battle duel in the reeds with Miyamoto Musashi, Sama or Using the Temple Hill as a shield and forming behind
Happīkurisumasu shōgun -- The shamisen will play for you now. Kouta to celebrate
Fall of the Samurai was the pinnacle of Total War
This was my favourite FOTS battle yet!
Finally, a madlad did it.
What an interesting fight. No strategy, only tactics, and to great effect at that
the friendly fire mustve been atrocious
Bow kachi are brilliant in sieges and rugged maps since they can fire above and arround terrain, essentialy sometimes being able to trade whith their enemy skirmishers for free
The most difficult part of a traditional only campaign is having to manually fight every battle and being forced to always employ crafty strategies and cheese in order to win them, since guns have very high autocalc value and win any head-on fight against traditional units. These campaigns fatigue you very quickly.
Seeing all the different total war games that Legend plays, maybe he should write his own Sun tzu, 'art of war' 🤔
Never understood why AI sends sharpshooters to run down cav. Even ranged cav can demolish them if put in melee mode.
Shogitai/Katana Kachi is overpowered if they can close the distance without casualties.
They can also use routing enemies as shield, And it is perfect if the routing enemies run directly to enemy line instead of to the side, Enemy in the second line will hesitate to shoot their routing friends.
Archery is just better than slow rifles when the enemy doesn't have armour
Even better slings since throwing a rock is cheaper that making a Rifle, or a bow and a arrow
Yiss! I'd really want to see a campaign for this too. Even better if you use the enhanced mod so the AI brings better armies, AI has a weird obsession with wooden canons and thrash levy units because CA didn't bother to properly adjust unit evaluation
Its also a building restriction, modern buildings including expanding settlements has major happiness debuffs, which is probably why the fots ai barely develops their lands compared to normal Shogun2. Provinces that start with Dojos and cadet schools tend to end with top tier buildings and units fairly quickly, and their clans thus tend to field very strong armies.
Spear and infantry levies and wooden cannons get spammed because you can get them virtually anywhere
@@RynewulfI'd say it beats AI spamming castles everywhere and make your food supply go into the red as soon as you captured them because AI just don't give an F to food supply public order penalty or growth from surplus on higher difficulties. (Just like Hojo and their Gold province for example.) Teching to level 4 farms is a must in vanilla Shogun 2 because of this, which waste quite a lot of turns to get.
@@machaiping fair enough you have your preferences. I like how in vanilla over time the ai produces more advanced samurai more regularly, feels like time has passed and theyre teching up. The food supply thing I feel always comes up just because its baked in and so finely balanced, like how in FotS you have to be prepared to deal with big unhappiness debuffs due to alignment and modernisation from tech and buildings, making it just as necessary to research happiness and spam inns as it is to research and spam farms in vanilla
1st row - line infantry or sharpshooters, 2nd row: gun cavs, 3rd row: archers, 4th row: Armstrong guns is just as good as any hill deployment.
Yep damng right about the artillery. Tried taking out Wooden Cannons with two Generals, nope they just snipe your Generals right out of the bunch. LOL
"suicide is not good"
t. Legend
Traditional army, finally. I need to try this shit myself
Never interrupt your enemy while they're making a mistake
Legend Tzu, 7:00
Just enough cavalry... man that's a tough fucking battle
The only problem i have with traditional units is the 2 turn recruitement period.
Legendoftotalwar is the man 😎
No guns? Both old and modern?
HELL YEAH!!! THIS IS THE ULTIMATE SAMURAI BATTLE
I played a lot of ranked multiplayer back in the day and i remember when FoTS first launched. Shogitai was the most busted unit to ever grace total war. They could tank like 2 volleys without losing a single unit. They could beat ANY modern or sengoku unit in melee and to top it off they could even tank a cav charge and still kill the cav. They got nerfed eventually but damn those were some rough games up until then
IIRC if the main general is dead they lose more men when the battle ends
Please do a traditional units only campaign.
How are people sending in legendary difficulty battles? Are you saving the save file in another folder then loading the battle and attempting to win, then sending the save file to Legend? Because I always just fight the battle and then it overwrites the save so I can't send it in prebattle. I tried finding where the save limiting was in the code to remove it but I have no idea if that's possible. Really pisses me off that a single mistake or bug can irreparably destroy hours of a campaign.
One question, is there any reason not to use rapid advance when charging using yari kachi? It seems that it might lessen the speed gap between them and cav
yo legend why dident u use the spear kachis ability ?
13:19 it was very traditional
Perfect...They are all perfect...
I need to do this at some point.
What about Rise of the Samurai disasters?
Ah yes, a Tom Cruise campaign.
Me:Oh boy another fall of the samurai were he only is gonna do a deployment on a hill and see how he massacres everything, fuuuuun!!!!
See thumbnail:oh boy, forget what i said, this is gonna be interesting
The Tom Cruise Last Samurai challenge*
Damn he's good.
Hi Legend, You choose only vannila total wars for saving battle? I have some troubles with my atilla medieval kingdoms campaning, bcs I play when I was drunk, so um... Bulgarians wants to destroy my Byzantium.
Why did he not fight with fog? As far as I know, Fog benefits melee based armies.
Tbf, it would have hurt his archers too. Having a good view of the map was probably more important
Why he doesn't use special abilities?
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I once recruited an army of horse archers just becouse i had extra cash and sent them to die, but even tho the balance of power was 90% red the auto resolve wone with minimal loses and the entire enemy stack got wiped so yea just spam horse archers
Why are all enemies in this game white themed? I've watch a few of your shogun 2 videos and the enemies always wear white clothes and carry white flags
I don’t know
Any reason why not using Banzai!? :)
I was thinking about it. I was saving it for when the fighting got tough and i needed them to be unbreakable but that didn't end up happening. worst thing is to have an ability you need on cooldown because you used it when they first went into melee
Id have thought the foggy weather would be better, since it nerfs ranged units and you're mostly melee, can understand if you just skipped it on instinct tho
Impressive result
The AI is garbage at utilising Modern units, you can quite easily win FOTS by purely spamming Yari Levy, and commit 100% of your building slots to Traditional Economy which lets you spam even more Yari levy, buffed by the starter buffs.
This battle might have challenging with 1 army of specialists, but with a 60 stack of Yari Levy, and using forests and hills to avoid gunlines, anything is easy.
Why didn't he rush them when they were all clumped up while crossing the bridge (just on ONE of the bridges)?
Have 1/2 of their army isolated & also unable to shoot due to being stacked seems like a legit way of beating this, no?
great fight ;D
Today i finally got the last samurai dream hell yeah
TW3 now at discount is it worth it?
if you have the previous two titles yes. but honestly even then there are better games
Yes, definetly!
The state of the company make me doubt in to buying twh3 but yeah maybe with the state of the game with amount of hot fixes maybe can compromised it btw i got the previous game and all dlc maybe consider 50% to be a good deal
Yeah, but I would also recommend getting some of the good dlcs. All the Skaven dlc are great, chaos dwarves, champions of chaos, Lizardman. The base game has few good campaigns, I would just play with them on immortal empires and you can get a dlc if you run into a faction that seems interesting.
No, buy TWW2.
bro has been making videos for so many years yet his mic got worse why?
Is Legend doing UA-cam full time, or does he have a day job? Curious.
Full time
I wish shogun 2 is working, then i would have played alot more
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archers outranging guns is silly and op as hell
I thinks is only a balancement thing
@@juliovielma8703 archers have all rank fire and can shoot without needing line of sight already
@@SuperCrumpets but their shots do not instantly create, fear to the enemy unlike guns
I don’t really understand why you didn’t rush for the trees, hide, and catch them at the crossing - running away if the first units crossing aren’t the linemen ?
But I do see how if that negative condition occurs you’ll exhaust the shogitai you brought in which id imagine you need 3 + a Yari kachi + Yari ki nearby for the other bridge in case
Edit: oh shit seeing the remainder of those full stacks popping up at once was crazy lol
Edit 2: this was a masterclass, I’ve learned
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Very noice
The legend of corner camping
Corner Camping? I bet you would have willingly putted your troops under , heavy armstron gun fire just to not use the map to your advantage
Ah yes because any strategy besides a zerg rush is "camping". Let's charge all our units into artillery fire because lol why not?