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This ONE battle almost had more deaths than the entirety of the REAL LIFE Boshin War. Funny how that works, usually you expect Shogun 2 to have smaller scale battles compared to real life
Fall of the Samurai is basically the result of CA getting really drunk and watching The Last Samurai, and deciding to base a game off that. It's far from historically accurate but it's still one of the best Total War titles ever made.
@@PipMan1101Tbf if total war titles in general were more realistic they'd be a lot less fun. Imagine wars were drinking water with poo in it kills more of your troops than the enemy lol
adding to the other dude's comment, I doubt every death in the Boshin War came from casualties during battles. It's probably more because of starvation, exhaustion, disease, the usual.
@@Sercotani well most boshin war "battles" were local police shooting at drunk samurai so probably not
Because in FoTS there’s no “hot water train go brrrrrr” button in FoTS. People saw them and were like “actually samurai kinds cringe” and just went with it.
My lord, We won the battle.
How many we lost?
About 8000 men
Enemy lost 70 men
thats like almost a quarter of a woefully under-strength battalion! i'd consider this a tactical victory...
King Phyrrus in shambles after hearing the news.
What it feels like to win as overstacked morale vs overstacked discipline in Europa Universalis 4
The Zerg from Starcraft would count that as a victory, indeed ;)
Legend's uploads of Shogun 2 has single handedly saved CA's Xmas bonus scheme 👍
Rofl after Pharoah...they gotta find any reason to not feel like failures
no joking , i get hooked by total war with shogun 2, buy dlc because the funny guy factions forom shogun 2, and now i wanna buy this dlc xd
I am going back to Med 2 because of Legend.
Im planning to buy the game on sale cuz of this guy xD
@@foxshoot3138FOTS is maybe the peak of Total War. If you think that base Shogun is better I can’t tell you that you’re wrong though.
Battles with wooden cannons sometimes have this bug. If you hover over them after they're unmanned, it sometimes still counts them in.
AI seems to have outsmarted legend this time as they brought a wooden cannon doomstack to counter his
It was like the ai was getting him back for 🧀.
yeah wooden cannons that are reinforcing. the cannons cant move, so they dont join the fight. they still count as "in the fight" but never even joined
The bug is caused by enemy artillery. Usually wooden cannons are the most likely thing
have had this happen before in vanilla/1500s shogun 2, in naval battles.
@@Shadow.24772 I've seen this as well in the naval battles. sometimes it's from an enemy ship existing on the border somewhere. Battle timers are essential to Shogun 2 because of this bug. It sucks when you are attacking though.
@@dorkking100 learned a valuable lesson from these type of bugs: always quick save before a battle~
Another secret of Shogun2 FOS: When you use shrapnell on cannons, but fire the cannon yourself, the shot will get stuck into the ground and will exploade after a certain amount of time (which is why I call it timebomb) The explosion is a little bit more effective than a normal cannonshot, but of course its hard to time it perfectly. So its not really op, but fun in siege battles when you have time and fire on a blop of units
That happens in Empire and Napoleon too, I always found it funny that its actually a misfire but its more effective than intended explosion in the air.
The historical Boshin War had about 8000 deaths in total. Here there are 8000 deaths in one battle lol. Anyway, still really enjoying the historical TW content. Good to be back!
Well, it's kind of like how in Rome Total War I can conquer all of Gaul, Greece, Hispania, and North Africa about 200 years faster than the actual Romans did 😂 the setting is meant to be (somewhat) historical, not the actual events or even gameplay
@@Anonymous-ld7je I am aware! Just something that’s always a bit funny. Love total war for that reason.
Also only recently found out how relatively ‘bloodless’ the real Boshin War was too. The carnage in Fall of the Samurai has more in resemblance to the American civil war, considering they share the same time-period.
Now that I’m thinking about it… would love a total war in that setting 🤔
@@gamejunkiee1The mod "Carlist Wars" for FotS is more or less that, but inspired in the 3 civil wars during the 19th century in Spain. Wich is weird, i don't know practically anyone that knew those wars even existed, and i'm Spanish. 😅
@@Defsould It sucks since the First Carlist War was actually pretty well known at tge time for being one of the most brutal civil wars of the period and had intervention from Britain, France and Portugal and the Third led up to the Republic which is a pretty interesting period of itself.
Please don’t stop making more FOTS videos! I’m addicted and works as inspiration for me! :D
Legend has singlehandedly reignited my love for fall of the samurai. I never realized how interesting and intense of a campaign it was and is somehow better than almost anything CA has put out recently.
You make it sound like they've put out something better. What would that be?
@@kaltaron1284Attila?
@@marcusflutist1230 Maybe. Although I'm not sure I would call Attila "recently".
@kaltaron1284 let's not act like the warhammer trilogy isn't bloody amazing. I mean there's a reason why legend has thousands and thousands of hours on it. It has its (many) flaws but it's still absolutely great. The simple fact that every race plays entirely differently and sometimes among the same you can have very different experiences, is something better that shogun 2
@@unmeclambda5837 I somehow thought we were talking historical games only. But yeah, if we include Warhammer that one's also pretty good. Not without its problems of course.
Hey Legend, you can deploy artillery in a way that units have 2 rows. If you then dismount the artillery during the deployment phase they will all be perfectly in 1 line without much space between the cannons. This way you can have more cannons on the same space and so have more space for guns. Especially for gatlings thats pretty nice. But it just works during deployment phase :)
There is One Doom Stack in Fall of the Samurai, it takes a bit of setup though.
First play as Saga for the Gunnery perk which adds +5 Accuracy to all Artillery pieces.
Second get a province with a Blacksmith, to make a Gunsmith for another +20 Accuracy to all Units (Including Artillery pieces).
Third build a Training Camp and upgrade it to a Firing Range in the province with the blacksmith, for another +15 Accuracy to all Units.
Optionally, get a trade agreement with America to get another +5 to Accuracy.
Fourth but not least; Build 19 Armstrong Guns which will have a 70 Accuracy without any ranks or 75 without ranks (With the boost from American trade deal o what that system was called).
Fifth and the last part: Put a Veteran that trains the Armstrong Guns to get Rank 9, and these things will destroy anyone who dared to come into range.
The funny thing was, I got that army setup as a joke, and when I beat every army without any thought to it, me and my co-op partner at the time, just started making that army comp liberating Japan with excessive firepower XD
The cost is the give away. Not that strange that expensive units are good.
@@googleandsusansucks Yes and no, just because a unit is expensive doesn't mean it is good or great. Example of the Ronin vs Ashigaru, you can have 3 Ashigaru per Ronin unit in upkeep and outright recruitment cost. The Ronin sure has higher stats even higher than Samurai, however, because of their smaller unit number, they tend to be over run, exhausted and dead way quicker than Samurai or Ashigaru. This is also why cavalry is not exactly good, but they are great at taking out archers, or if you have the archer variant, they can hit and run from all infantry unless you mess up.
Like you can do the same Doom Stack, with the Parrot Gun, the main difference is the Parrot Gun shoots slower, lower Accuracy (But that doesn't matter when you get them Rank 9) and the Parrot gun is cheaper in upkeep and recruitment cost.
19 is overkill, lol. I stick to 4-6 per army. I've had 6 buffed armstrong guns route most of an army before they reached me. And once they did, the battle didn't last more than a minute. I still have the battle replay cause it's funny af.
@@Pegarexucorn Well Doom Stacks are supposed to be overkill so it fits XD
9:30 pretty sure this was what John Gatling have in mind with his invention. About the same amout of people in all the gatling team as the target.
Actually no. He hoped is weapon would be so effective, that there would be less war. Spoiler: It didnt worked.
@@MrDefladorActually no. While he abhor war, he didn't mean to stop it fully. He observed that most of the American civil war casualties were from disease and overcrowding so he made a weapon that would deliver the same firepower as a battalion with less manpower to reduce men on the Frontline.
@@sukositb Also want to note, he was aggravated that all of his other non-military related patents and inventions didn't catch on which further pushed him to make a product he knew the Europeans would at least see some use in.
"God fights on the side with the most artillery...and cheese"
-Napolean Bonaparte (mostly)
It would be awesome to see some more historical "doomstack" videos. The format is always super fun, and would be cool to see more Total Wars being featured
I love the Main Menu & Pre-battle OST in FOTS. I don't know what it is but there is just a certain personality behind the mixture of traditional Japanese & Western Military drums that symbolizes the transition of Japan during the Boshin War era.
Jeff van dyke is a genius composer.
Your FOTS videos are so good I had to download and spend my few free hours in exam season looking for good-lookin hills
FotS is amazing. Even with countless hours into every other TW game, the battles on FotS just feel so fun to play and cinematic to watch. I love it.
“I realized the kill bots had one weakness, they have a preset kill limit - so I sent wave after wave of my troops against enemy, until they couldn’t fight anymore”
This is the ending of the last samurai surely? Haha
Does Tiny Tommy die here? 😂
Because of your „revival“ of Shogun 2, I installed the game again and it is going way better then in the past 😂
Legend, thanks a lot for all recent uploads. It’s so nice to watch your videos, while going from university! It’s like the reward after a hard day
First-person firing isn't janky per se, it's just that there's almost fixed firing angle. The targeting cursor shows red if you are trying to fire at a too high angle. As for the army composition, I personally value strategic mobility: attached ninja for map movement speed, and infantry-based army. Elite line infantries, when positioned well, can still absolutely demolish whatever the AI throws at you, and while you want some artillery pieces for some tough fights (namely, to force the AI to assault your prepared positions), infantry-focused army can detach the guns and lunge deeper into enemy territory (in order to capture a settlement not quite at the range of your guns, say) while with gattling gun frontline and only 4 infantries, you kinda can't.
Yeah, artillery are cracked in battles, but a pain in the campaign map
Super fun, love this, enjoyed it more than Warhammer doomstack videos tbh.
Hope we get more of the "historical doomstacks", might even try making some :)
Man, I really enjoy this resurgence of Shogun 2 content. Its one of the games that reminds me of better times.
I like that the portrait of the General is headbanging everytime Legend micro's him. Historically accurate metalheads from Japan.
Man, I'm devouring these classics as soon as Legend uploads them. Early Christmas for me :D
without that 1 glitch, that army would've definitely lost no units at all. i guess the AI actually managed to find a use for wooden cannons; in fact, they could theoretically have been the MVP of that entire AI army just due to that glitch.
One thing I feel Shogun 2 showcases well is the absolute devastation. Bodies everywhere, craters, the smoke. It's really top notch
Legend! You're the reason I've been saying up till 4am playing rise of the samurai! I got it on sale and can't stop playing dude! Thanks for the addiction 😂
"Free Bird" starts playing at 7:11 BTW
ikt claw visits japan
The Skaven can only DREAM of this level of firepower
All the casualties of the Boshin War in one battle.
"aaah another day, another victory for our glorious Emperor!" - Officer of Imperium of Man and also Legend.
I'm... Still playing FotS since the last upload you made. This is so based
This was absolutely amazing to watch, I LOVED it!
Personally doesnt matter to me, doomstacks/disaster battle/disaster campaign from any TW is great you always do an awesome job
"Emperor..Im ready for my close up..." LEad Like snow fell in daylight, the fight smoke like the fluffy cloads in a sunflower field we laied in as a youth.." Our life returns to end the fields thurst.."
more than the entire Boshin war IRL
Never thought I would see a rating a doomstack video in a non-Warhammer game.
Once again, the Empire needs to be wary of those skaven ambushes.
Love me some doomstack rating videos!
I know you can’t make too many of these but personally I’d love as many shogun 2 doomstack videos as you can make!
Hey legend I have a question for you. I was watching one of your really, really old playthroughs (empire total war one, I think) and you had a comment that said Shogun 1 & 2 were your least favorite total wars. I’m wondering what your thoughts are, given you recently put shogun 2 to the top of your best battles tier list, and maybe how coming back to shogun 2 has felt to you?
FotS gunplay is so satisfying, easily the best in the series (and possibly best in all RTS). Sucks the AI is absolutely dreadful, both in tactics and the units recruited. I tried to fix the latter in FotS Enhanced (shameless self plug) so that they at least recruit more artillery (other than wood cannons), can't recall the exact number but the default artillery ratio was really low. And boy, there were so many utterly useless comps, like full cav armies
Would love to see a full tradition (no gun-no artillery) campaign from Legend!
So happy to see LoTW back to the historical content. I had to unsub at one point because it was nothing but warhammer stuff. It's great to be subbed again :)
And I’m here patiently waiting for Warhammer to return
Well I wholeheartedly hope it does not ever return@@shmekelfreckles8157
Oh man am I tired of the magic-heavy tactics of whtw. It's so good to see terrain and positioning rule again
@@anarchopupgirl Yeah, lots of movement and terrain in this game where he stood still on a flat open plain and could have won going AFK.
Like, up to you whether you prefer historical or Warhammer TW, doesn't affect me at all, but be fair.
The difference is in warhammer you could start the battle and go afk without even making formations for your troops and still win if you have a powerful doom stack@@BittermanAndy
That's the most overkill army I've ever seen in a Total War game.
Hey I just found you channel and I am enjoying the content 🕊️
I love how cannons sound in Shogun 2. I’m out of practice so I’m struggling in my first Fall of the Samurai campaign but it’s so worth it.
"But Legend, that's cheese!"
\*laughs in Skaven*
Id love to see some FotS campaign content because in my campaigns im finding that im broke as hell and can hardly afford my armies to conquer japan. How does one Eco successfully in FotS?
You need to consolidate start be conquering your neighbor then you go passive for a bit upgrading every eco building you can and make a mid tier army whit that you can then slowly expend while consolidating behind you as you go dont over extant and dont go overboard on the army at most you only need one good army to be your spear head while you use levy to maintain order and defend
Dang I kinda want this save file now, to play this for myself!
So that's basically Clan Eshin army that confederated with Ikit, went for weapons team build and then through some foul warpstone magic turned into filthy man-things?
A bug similar in og shogun 2 where the unit had left the battlefield but a man had got separated somehow either via difficult terrain or in the fighting and wouldn’t leave the battlefield despite being shattered and instead would run around like you just checked thier escape route or were rejoining the fight (being shattered). Was especially annoying because I was on the offence with a timer
21:56 David Goggins is present on the battlefield my lord!
Legend of total war and the WWI tactics
One of the best features of FOTS is naval land support, juicing up your naval strength and calling in an artillery strong is one of the most enjoyable things in Total War 2nd only to a Doomsday Rocket from WH
So I am only 5 seconds into this video, I saw Legend's army and LMAO for a good five minutes. xD
I have a feeling it will be like the Battle of the Some, enemy just appear and disappear in a matter of seconds. Hundreds of thousands of them.
This dude must be “brrrrrrrrt and boom boom enjoyer” 7 gatling guns and 8 cannons 😂😂😂
hey legend !! Sucha good content... i like this kind of videos keep it coming please :)
My question to the quartermaster is : How much guns do you need ?
His answer : Yes.
Totally love this type of video. Keep going :)
Just cause the game doesn't have Skaven doesn't make you can't make a weapons-team doomstack yes-yes!
The fact the AI actually makes wooden cannons is always funny too me.
Ai loves wooden cannons. Large trad armies always field them
Thank to the coverage of Shogun 2, the newest project is Shogun 3. It will feature single entity heroes and generals and no unique clan units or mechanics. At least we get to see tokugawa be a one man doomstack.
Absolutely stunningly great, gj and thx, m8.
eyyyyyyyy super happy to see a doomstack video on shogun 2. I've been loving the shift away from WH.
MOAR DAKKA!
It's funny how Legend still thinks like a Skaven, with his weapon team destroying multiple armies. This was one of the funniest battles i seen on this channel ^_^
Shogun 2 is just fucking great. Still my current standard for TW battles and balancing.
This Type of aemy is what i see as a set up and go make dinner army. Since my laptop is old as fck i often set up simillar and Just go cooking :-)
I got this scenario once in rome 2 were i had a army of 600 and when it was done i had 300 left
Looking forward to see your livestream on FOTS!
Does Shogun 2 not despawn dead bodies? once again it shows how great it is at hosting cataclysmic battles. I look at all the bodies on the field and i compare the post battle numbers to what we know about real battles and its mind boggling.
the amount dead in this one battle is roughly the same as to the amount of people who died during the ENTIRE Boshin War this game is portraying
interesting - and comparing this devastation to later battles such a verdun or Rzhev - godamn@@guardiadecivil6777
All these shogun 2 videos gon make me act up ahaa and download it after years of not touching it at all
Mans playing Shogun 2 like it’s WW1
how do you get your games to look this good mine looks blurry even with reshade.
Shogun 2 fall of the shogun is my favorite total war game to watch, that and warhammer
Hey, Legend. I made a huge noob mistake during my first siege battle because I’d never seen you make the same one before. I set the gates on fire and sent a huge blob of infantry in. The gates collapsed and I lost over 1000 men 😂😂😂
For first person mode for galling guns. They made it super big brain... if u aim out of range of the galling guns it won't let u shoot. Which is smart cuz otherwise I would shoot from way out of range and mow infantry across the map down... so u need to aim lower or directly at infantry
First person Zepplin, saved my realms of chaos early release.
This is the exactly kind of battle I had once in a long ago - I'd inflicted over 12k casualties to enemies. It was over 2 hours battle sadly.
Waiter! Waiter! More Total War Shogun 2 Fall of the Samurai doomstacks please!
who needs infantry when you have cheese
i think i saw tom cruise in the middle of the battlefield
That thumbnail alone❤😂 dont know why but i saw it and called it perfection👌🏼
11:04 holy shit that cannon ball
thanks for going back and covering these older total war titles. Hope you cover some mods for some of these games. Maybe do a spotlight, stream, or saving disaster battles.
Only bugs can defeat Legend.
this is fucking WW1...
Hopefully this attention will get them to fix the game for people with broken mods who can no longer revert to base game without mod manager
The new mod manager works fine
@@bigdoinkers1452it doesn’t work for me and lot of other people
These are some pretty strange looking skaven.
10:25 the final charge in last samurai right there lol
EDIT: lol 1 minute later legend says it.
Playing Warhammer 3 but still total war shogun 2 is the best so far
Doomstack for the base game is just 19 naginata samurai with heavy armor. They don't care about cav, they don't care about archers, really the only thing that could beat them would be an entire stack of naginata monks or katana samurai, but you'd never run into an army like that.
I’m pretty sure this battle affected the gene pool of certain parts of Japan.
That operational ammo is operational guns, ammo is separate!
Legend playing Total World War 1.
The chances of winning a battle with just an artillery battalion against several well rounded armies, being outnumbered 1/10 are low. But never zero.
Im always so dissapointed with gatling guns. You can achieve the same effect with elite infantry, which you will have access to since gatlings are an endgame unit. They have similar if not more dps and ou can then still use the infantry in sieges, to block cavalry, and they are much more resistant to damage. You can also reposition them during a battle which is very difficult to do with artillery.
The only benefit of gatlings is the better range, but in that case take armstrongs. They really need much better dps to be worth taking.
Imagine being handed a spear and told to march towards and enemy gun line. Talk about feeling under equipped and unprepared.
That happened to the British homeguard in WWII.