I read Lovecraft's works before any exposure to the mainstream interpretation of it, or to the community, or to people who have vaguely heard something about Lovecraft, or to works "inspired" by Lovecraft. So to me,it felt like this: In a weird twist, Dreamlands are the "true" world, and Material world is a "playground", something akin to a theater or a masqerade where everyone plays a specific role. Same entity can at one point play the role of a human, and then just change the costume and be the star or whatever it wants - all figuratevely speaking, of course. Everyone is so deep into this performance they don't percieve the world outside of their current role, and the props are exquisite to the point of being mindbreaking, but at the end of the day, it's still just a play. So that's why a Dreamland rat can eat someone who used to be a god-king in the Material World - power scaling in Dreamlands is completely separate from the Material World power scaling. And, well, that rat isn't really just a rat because Dreamlands operate on a logic that has little to do with stuff like evolution or even coherent timestream. Also that explains why people in Material world tend to get a tiny bit unhinged when they encounter things or forces from Dreamlands and beyond: because to someone who's deep into their Material world "role" it is very confusing and immersion-breaking, akin to an actor having to deal with some random dude in the audience throwing tomatoes at them for example.
Interesting comment. I’m writing some stories that involve Lovecraft’s creations, since I thought that making creatures so powerful with weird names would simply remind everyone of him and they’re free use, and most of them in a Void are completely amoral and are just trying to have fun however they can. Somewhat how Shinigamis act in Death Note. I wasn’t aware of that piece of lore but it fits well.
Apparently, people don't even have the mental fortitude to understand where they are wrong, much less be able to look upon the other gods... Granted, I wouldn't want to be in their path, I'd be dead real quick, as would 99% of all people here... However, I've seen some sh!t in my day and Cthulhu is low on the list...
@@billstephens396 yeah, no, dude. The way Cthulhu is depicted is not even close. That is why Lovecraftian horror is indescribable and why most of the media based on Lovecrafts work fail. There is no way human mind can picture it, so we just slapped octopus on Shrek and gave it wings.
I very much would like to see you cover the "Good" gods of the Cthulhu Mythos. EDIT: Please stop trying to correct me on the notion of there being good gods in the Yog Sothothery. I know you can't really call any of them really "good", that's why I put "Good" in quotation marks. Literally Who, the person with the frog avatar in the video this comment is on, referred to "good guys" in the Lovecraft universe in the same manner I did at the very end of the video, he said he may do a video on them, and I wanted to express my interest in such a video in the same manner he did. Stop being a smart ass, please.
@@tomkerruish2982 The guy literally alluded to the "good" gods at the end of this video, and somewhere else in th Nyarlathotep section, even alluded to Abrahamic God, it's not like my comment came out of nowhere.
Ok but are they strong enough to handle the allegations of idiots thinking they have the passive ability to make everyone who sees them go crazy? Truly an endless battle.
imo at this point we are kinda just coming up with new lore. like imo people can think what ever they want about the mythos as long as they're enjoying it and it's characters.
I do enjoy the ability to make one go crazy. I think it falls in line with us being 3 dimensional physical and ignorant beings and our brains just can’t comprehend such creatures if we’re unprepared for it. So we would just go crazy. And how in some stories beings that communicate telepathically break the minds of beings that can’t causing them to go crazy
This was a great video, thank you for creating this. I’m personally wondering where the love craft verse would scale for warhammer 40K and Bo Bo Bo, I would love to hear your analysis on it.
Lovecradt verse would floor 40k pretty easy. The only stuff that could go to around chuthulu at most are the chaos gods and gork and mork. Tho if the "can't just pop into realspace" applies necrons could screw with many manifestations but a dreamer would be to much to handle even for a full power C'tan (if the dreamer is competend) For the godsmentioned before their biggest problem is that they are dependend on mortal believers for strength/existence so screwing with that could depower/kill them.
19:50 Oh, I always thought that the characters were unreliable, and the creature in Call of Cthulu was just a regular C'thulian waking up for a midnight piss.
That makes more sense. It probably was one just awakened. The very last of HPL´s stories say that the great elders used atomic weaponry to battle them Cthulhians, Carkash-ton in his "The trail of Cthulhu" ends the book with humans nuking Cthulhu into oblivion, so probably it wasnt even Cthulhu itself.
I love everyone of these videos especially the ones from this series and now they're all in the same place. How convenient! I appreciate you clarifying certain things, like the use of the term "Other Gods". It's easy to forget that these stories were written about a century ago and have been utilized in popular fiction for a long time. Many of the concepts have been misinterpreted by later authors and publishers. Thanks again for making these videos and keep up the great work!
I think the Presence and his son Lucifer are given how grand and huge the DC totality is. Like Lucifer and Micheal have feats on par with or greater than Marvel's TOAA considering his cosmology is so much smaller then theirs. It's just a single multiverse that was originally one universe.
First video of yours I ever watched, and surprisingly, one of the best videos on Lovecraft mythos I've ever seen! Keep this style and coherency up and you'll be seeing the Silver button in no time
Calling Cthulhu a "Great Old One" or "Outer God" and believing that he has an insanity aura, has the same nerd-culture energy as DnD calling an arming sword a longsword and believing that a bastard sword is actually longer than a LONGsword.
Other god and Outer god debate is semantics, and they are interchangeable in normal discourse as they refer to the exact same pool of beings with the difference of one being literally referred, whilst the other one has gotten popular due to a piece of media practically opening up another opportunity for newcomers to enjoy the media. It'd more nerd-culture energy having to be patronizing when correcting someone less knowledgeable but that's probably a biased perspective on a lot of these comments.
Even on the scale of Immortal beings, Cthulhu being vigintillions of years old is probably one of largest scales of time any fictional being have been alive for. I can't think of even a single other fiction that has even close to that much time scale in it. Not that Lovecraft necessarily populated that timescale in the same way that the Dune series populates it's timescale.
Thank you for trying to explain the vast mysteries of this mythos in a way this lowly one can start to comprehend ( kind of). The sheer mass of info is astounding and is clearly a work of love. Thank you
From my understanding it is not a power that these entities posses that drives those who view them mad, but rather they lose there sanity trying to comprehend something that is beyond a mortal three dimensional mind to do so. That is why only some go mad when viewing them, those who are very imaginative and smart or those who are very dim and simple can view them with the viewers sanity being mostly intact because they either have enough understanding to grapple with what they are seeing or are just too dense to understand what they are looking at. The majority of people are just smart or imaginative enough to see part of the truth of the Other/Out Gods forms, but not enough to handle what that means and it breaks their minds.
Also if you don't care, it's a squid thing that you can't seem to hit, even when I shoot at it, that's terrifying, but what they look like is less scary than what they'd *do* to you if they catch you. People were really sensitive back in Lovecraft's day, they'd faint if you flashed them, elder things probably wouldn't scare zoomers much. "Of damn is that dog rabid!?" *Sprays 18,000,000 scoville hot sauce on it*
amazing you actually made a collage, i casually saw your channel a day ago to see whats up and now i see this, win. watched full hour to have a bit of fun, gg
I was not familiar with the lovecraft mythos and to my shame i must admit that the few things i knew included the "Azatoth dreams reality" idea. I really enjoyed this video.
I would really like a video about who you think are the strongest characters in all of fiction. The reason for that is that I have a child brain and I am excited at the thought of "the biggest number", but I think I am not the only one considering what this channel is doing, so that video idea is probably a good one.
Me personally I'd say either Lovecraft-verse or SCP-verse is the strongest in fiction, the reason I say SCP-verse is just because they have a few characters who constantly ascend narrative layers which is kinda ridiculous in itself as each narrative is a dimensional layer.
@@originalfitzy5567 See, but anyone can create their own fictional universe and make them stronger by looking at those universes and tailor their own creation to be stronger.
I think you could make more characters like Hastur and Nodens,they are really cool too, I keep asking for videos about underworld gods and dragons from different cultures
@jays903 (Not to be that guy but) yes Hastur wasn’t created by lovecraft, having been only name dropped by him once. but Nodens has actually been established to be in the Mythos appearing in I believe the dream quest of unknown Kadath.
I've always considered myself a big Lovecraft fan, and I didn't know half the things you said in this video. Especially the some people can look at one of the other gods, without going insane. Your video has popped up in my recommended many times, but I only decided to sit down and watch it now, and I'm happy I did. You explain things well, with subtle not over the top humor. I will definitely subscribe
@@literarywho Regard argument why Yog is evil there is actually a logical prove of that. If HE is the Other Gods and they are mostly evil, then Yog must be the same as them. Idea that he is not come from misconception that he protect from them. What actually is not the case.
On the topic of the insanity some people get from the lovecraft beings, a wonderful video I watched described the 3 states people could have when met with something overwhelmingly greater than them. Cosmic horror, cosmic indifference, and cosmic bliss. We see people in the mythos go through these different stages. Some go insane, some are shaken but held it together, then those who go full on worshipping these greater things because the sheer enormity of it brings an unfathomable amount of bliss. To be one with something greater than you.
43:10 I love your explanation of the staircase. It clearly shows the ranking of things, but at the same time your explanation of “that is how powerful Azathoth is” is absurd, and incomprehensible.
This is epic -- I've really only ever heard the pop culture version of C'thulu, so even just the terms "Other Gods" and the material/dreamscape/ordered universe cosmology is great to hear. Going to have to watch this at least a couple times, I've been trying to build a D&D Warlock who's patron is definitely inspired by lovecraft but still different enough to be its own thing. It's a non-entity floating among all the possibilities that never were, never will be, and have never been thought. It has no name, it has no thoughts, it by definition does not exist. It exists beyond the D&D cosmology, and even beyond the DM's knowing. Only the tiniest fractions of its infinite possibilities ever break away and enter the world -- enter the players around the table's imaginations. It's goal, as much as it has one, is to exist. An impossible task -- by definition, I can't imagine the possibilities that will never be imagined. Whatever Lovecraftian lore brings to the table, this Patron is everything else that didn't make it. And my character has caught a glimpse of this truth. He understands, on some level, that his D&D reality is mutable and ephemeral. He exists because I conceive of him. I conceive of him because I have the smallest glimpse of this impossible non-entity of infinite possibilities that will never be. He's a Warlock serving this patron by attempting to bring about its One Goal - existence. But he must try, because he has no free will -- only my will. And I must do my best to make this character memorable and bring new thoughts into existence because that is what this entity desires. Just as I must share this idea with you, to spread this idea and by doing so spread its influence, so that perhaps we may together come closer to brining all of unreality into existence. I'm trying to take that idea, and tell it exclusively through the D&D character's perspective. Because I think it's more compelling that way, which ultimately serves the entity by spreading its ideas and influence to more people. My Warlock does not know he's a D&D character; he does not know I exist -- except perhaps for the small glimpses that I allow. All of the craziness of D&D's Far Realms, and Lovecraft, and SCP -- someone has thought those thoughts. They are infinitely more real than all the things that will never be thought, and they are likewise an impossibly infinitesimal fraction of all the unthought thoughts and unreal things. This is an impossible battle for the unnamed entity. His vast non-existence can never meaningfully be brought into existence. But even the smallest parts are a win. Point is, (aside from sharing this concept so that you might think a thought that would otherwise have never been thought), I want to keep refining this concept. So I will gladly watch this video and make a pass over my homebrew lore to try and make it better. To make it more ... effective.
Though I personally do not like this interpretation of Cthulhu. My basic take is that most eldritch beings are simply incomprehensible, with few exceptions. And Cthulhu want do something on earth, through his representatives. But everything else is opinion of crazy people. It is entirely possible that what boat encountered, was not even Cthulhu. In fact that is the most logical answer.
If everything is part of a creature, that includes all desire to not act & all desire to lose. In its own way, despite being the most powerful, it also makes you the weakest because you cannot intentionally do anything with that power by nature of that power. You could then, presumably, be beaten by anything which lacks at least one of those flaws (or even only has those two flaws to a lesser extent). Which makes sense considering the nature of stories, where the characters (protagonist or antagonist) all seek to "win" within the setting, in some way/shape/form. Every setting, to some extent (every "staircase") wishes to be conquered or otherwise 'beaten'.
@@szonator probably because i only upload once a month, sometimes. if there's one thing the youtube algorithm hates, it's inconsistent upload schedules. the algorithm rewards channels that upload regularly and consistently. once you understand this, it's not shocking that a channel like mine barely gets recommended to people. not that i care; i don't upload content for the views. i do it because it entertains me.
I'm glad that you made it a point to scrub the myths of both the passive madness and Azathoth dreaming reality. I never bought either case since if they were, then how could Cthulhu be beaten by a guy in a boat with him looking at him several times and Azathoth being imprisoned, blind and stupid. If he was dreaming reality, then why is he imprisoned? Is he into some BDSM or something?
I watched this because I recently decided to read all of Lovecraft’s stories and this video has given me a whole new perspective of the mythos that only makes me more excited to read them
So you're telling me you're repackaging 5 of your previous videos with some edits as a single 1 hour long video? THAT'S MY GOAT! This about to do NUMBERS in the Algorithm!!
This man Lovecraft really saw foreign gods from other cultures and said "I'm gonna make them the most nightmare inducing degree of op so everyone else can feel the same fear I do when an immigrant asks me for change"
When I was looking at this from the comment preview from the vid player it just ended as "make them the most nig-" and I was very concerned with the next statement.
It's a shame that the ttrpg of Call of Cthulhu caused confusion and such for the lovecraftian lore, as it is a really enjoyable game despite such information.
Given how Lovecraft himself had encouraged those in his friend group to use his concepts and how he would also sometimes reference their works, I feel that claims of a hard canon within the Cthulhu Mythos tend to feel silly. Still great work on the video itself, definitely helps to put some stuff into perspective regarding where a lot of the entities within the Mythos compare.
I feel the same,like you said he encouraged people to add on to his verse meaning the things they said should not be ignored,I think a lot of Lovecraft fans feel like only the stuff made by H.P himself should count even though that goes against what he himself wanted,I do think his stuff takes precedence but many take it way too far imo(I do like these videos though,they are super informative)
The Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath is one of my favorite stories of all time. And having read it a few years after playing Dark Souls, I immediately felt that the world of Dark Souls, especially the interconnections of the locations, was inspired by that story. I don't know if that's really the case though.
It means he's as powerful as Yogg'Sothoth and can damage Yogg'Sothoth so he's Yogg'Sothoth level. Which is in a tier called Pataversal which is above Extraversal. For clarification, a character who's Baseline Extraversal is trans Infinitley above a Trans High Infinite Outerversal character, and the difference between a Trans High Infinite Extraversal character and a Baseline Pataversal character, is bigger than the difference between a tiny, almost dead bug and Infinite Azathoth's.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki you no one understand these cause some of this philosophies are born from jokes It looks like insane ramblings Yog is omnipotent Thats all
I like how beloved stories/worlds evolve over time. You see it with Tolkein's works and his revisions over time. So Yog-Sothoth is supposed to be the whole of existence, but he is the grandkid of Azathoth. Sort of a great-grandfather paradox?
Not necessarily. I think that if you have a sufficiently closed mind you might retain sanity, or you might close your mind down further yet. A sufficiently disciplined and tired soldier would possibly be able to resist their arcane influence. Edit: commented before watching video, so didn't get the joke...
I don't really understand the part about Cthulhu not being in R'lyeh. If you read The Call of Cthulhu it mentions several times that he is in R'lyeh. Even specifying in a "stone vault at R'lyeh". Am I missing something?
I think the thing about Cthulhu looking accurate to the illustration that Lovecraft made is maybe a little bit flexible. The thing in the illustration is not Cthulhu itself, it is the idol statue of him, and statues of things are sometimes not a perfect realistic depiction of the thing, they can be proportionally a little bit weird and there can be artistic liberties taken, so I don't know if it has ever been specified that he literally looks exactly like that or if it's just a pretty good approximation, so personally I don't have an issue with people depicting him to not look exactly the same as the Statue because it's just a statue and I have never heard anything said to clarify how accurate to the real thing Lovecraft intended the statue to be.
I’m pretty sure that the dreamer in Beyond the Wall of Sleep wasn’t a human. He was a cosmic intelligence that had been confined to a human body by one of its enemies. This is why he was strong enough to fight a god and light up the sky, not because he was a human empowered by the Other Gods.
no. there are two dreamers in that story and they are both human. you don't have to believe me, you can go find out for yourself. you can find "beyond the walls of sleep" online very easily and you can read the story completely for free. once you've read this comment, instead of replying to me, you can use that time to go read "beyond the walls of sleep". it should take you no longer than 30 minutes to read that story. today you can find out if what i'm saying is true.
@@literarywho “Joe Slater is dead… He is better dead, for he was unfit to bear the active intellect of cosmic entity. His gross body could not undergo the needed adjustments between ethereal life and planet life. He was too much of an animal, too little a man; yet it is through his deficiency that you have come to discover me, for the cosmic and planet souls rightly should never meet. He has been my torment and diurnal prison for forty-two of your terrestrial years. I am an entity like that which you yourself become in the freedom of dreamless sleep.” So it’s a self described “cosmic entity” trapped in a human body. It’s “like” a dreamer, but is instead a “cosmic” soul which should never have had contact with “planet souls”. Maybe you should take a few minutes to check your sources before leaving snotty replies.
well first of all, i was not trying to be "snotty" with my reply so i apologize if you felt that way because that was not my intention. this is just a problem with communicating through text. you can never really hear the tone the other person is using and sometimes intonation is enough to change the meaning of a sentence. language is fun like that! second, i think that the excerpt you posted proves me right. one dreamer, or "cosmic soul" if we are using your terminology, one of them tells the other "hey we are the same type of being". third, even if we go with your approach, the "cosmic soul" (again, using your terminology here) basically tells the dreamer "hey because we are the same type of being, that's why we can do things like choose to be other beings at other points in time, because we have the same kind of power" and after that the "cosmic soul" goes and punches a monster in space. this should be enough to infer that dreamers do have DBZ levels of power since by the admission of the "cosmic soul" dreamers and "cosmic souls" are the same so they should be equally as strong. and finally, this is such a stupid thing to argue about, so, if you disagree, then you know what? i preemptively concede. i really like talking about power scaling, call me a manchild, i will accept it, but talking about power levels is fun for me. what i don't care for however is the whole "vs debating" thing so if you disagree with everything i said then let me say this right now: i am wrong and you are right. have a good day!
I spent this video getting a piece of popcorn out of a tooth socket i had pulled 2 weeks ago, now THAT is something that can drive a man mad instantly.
I watched Nux's review of your video. You're awesome. I just spent 2.5 hrs watching this hour long video, so I'll have to leave this video streaming on my phone while I do something else so you get the view directly. I can't wait to watch some of your other videos. I have liked and subbed and interacted, so hopefully that helps your algorithm a little bit.
I know that the elder gods don’t automatically drive you insane when you look at them, but the fact that you COULD go insane when you look at them means that any character who fights them has to do so with their eyes closed or take a risk to their mental health.
I think the whole "looking at them makes you go mad" this is more about the sudden realization that there are other things out there we can't comprehend and we are so insignificant to them is what can drive some people crazy.
the lovecraft wiki mixes lore from multiple sources and writers to create what is essentially their own headcanon. for crying out loud that wiki even uses the lore from the FFG card game and presents it as if it was part of the lore written by lovecraft. anyone who wants to learn about the stories and characters created by lovecraft should stay away from that wiki.
@@literarywhoi know that lovecraft was open to let other artists add stuff to his universe, but instead of reading a wikipedia page, knowing how many things have been changed and added... wouldn't reading lovecraft's original 100 stories be the best way to understand his work? If only people did that instead of bitching about which of their favorite universes is stonger then the community would be far more united and knowledgeable about lovecraft's work
@@willghezzijust read the whole lovecraft circle stories and if you wanna go on extended one. Read Ramsay and Ligotti stories. They follow lovecraft canon
@@FffXdhgf yeah I do have all the original 100, currently reading them and loving it, easily one of the best fictional universes if you ask me... also, i just want to add that i absolutely hate how scp or world of darkness fans like to pop in in every discussion anout lovecraft and act cool because their favorite universe is stronger... like can't you just appreciate a good story? Who cares if one is stronger? Expecially since the chtulhu mythos are already among the top dogs of strongest fictional universes... sorry for the rant but I had to get it out😅
I don't think the texts back up the claim that Yog-Sothoth is the setting itself and includes creatures in the void. While Yog Sothoth is the All-in-one, the Void and the Chaos exist outside of the ordered universe, and could easily not count as "everything". The family tree for Azathoth which you referenced shows that Azathoth is the grandfather of Yog-Sothoth and predates him, which means that Azathoth created everything, which then created Yog Sothoth, of which Azathoth is just a fragment. It makes more sense to me that Yog-Sothoth is the ordered universe instead. One of HPL's letters to Clark Ashton Smith from 1930 back this up - "Azathoth, the mindless Lord of Nighted Chaos who is the father of all other horrors & is coeval with the Ultimate Abyss itself;" This confirms the family tree and that Azathoth is the creator of Yog-Sothoth, and your own logic that the creator of something has all the power of the thing it created puts Azathoth at least at a tie with Yog Sothoth, no?
The family tree is a joke intended, and Lovecraft explicitly says that Yog-Sothoth is "Omnipotent" since he is the only character described by Lovecraft with that word solely. So with that proof is more than enough.
@@Renzo-eq9bu then logically either the creator does not have all the powers of the created, yog-sothoth is not the only omnipotent being, or Azathoth is beyond omnipotent. I lean towards the first, but this video bases everything on the second.
@@TwistedFox42 Well Lovecraft did not really focus on world building. Safe to say the factual reference we can only have are his implicit or explicit statements. Also there can only be one Omnipotent being in a verse, the word "Omnipotent" is used loosely around fictional verses without that character being omnipotent itself you cant just use the "Omnipotent" word that often. I've searched every lovecraft books for that word description and he ONLY did describe it implicitly to "Yog-Sothoth" as Omnipotent, despite lacking feats. Statements might be not enough but the clues the author leave behind are substancial.
@@Renzo-eq9buWhich is why I quoted Lovecraft directly explaining that Azathoth (an addition to the family tree that was later than yog-sothoth and after the omnipotent label) was the father of everything, and was the same age as the ultimate abyss itself. A location that exists outside of the ordered reality where Yog-Sothoth is considered omnipotent. This video ranks almost every single great old one based on their power, WITH the assumption that the creator/progenitor has the same power as the created. Since Azathoth is the creator of Yog-Sothoth, this video MUST claim that it has at least the same level of power, if not more. This is a direct contradiction of it's entire ranking system. I personally don't agree with this idea, I can easily imagine that a created is stronger than the creator.
@@TwistedFox42A lineage is a human concept which does not apply to the likes of these beings, which is a appropriate theme for the Cthulhu Mythos Cosmic horror. Lovecraft also said in his letters to Willis Conover (September 1, 1936) that Yog-Sothoth has no parent at all. I (even the majority of Lovecraft enthusiast) don't always treat the family tree as something serious since it is not a good reference, an example in the family tree would be how come lovecraft is a direct descendant of Nyarlathotep in the first place? If we use common sense, that is just an inside joke between lovecraft and his pen pals. By default since the family tree is a joke intended by the author, therefore Yog-Sothoth was never the Grandchild of Azathoth. But hey, at least you acknowledge that Yog-Sothoth is Omnipotent.
i'd have to argue, you can't say that azathot don't dream reality just because lovecraft didn't said it himself, he never said anything in direct contradiction either so it's on each individual person to interpret as they read, even your quote that naruto and goku aren't the same person is matter of interpretation, maybe all shonen primary protagonists are a reincarnation of goku and you can't see it, maybe just one changing note of one instrument can change the laws of physics and nobody would remember it has been different once, maybe he needs to awake in his dream to eat the other gods because if he awoke for real nothing would exist except himself and he need to dream his preys to have something to eat. one thing is sure, lovecraft imagined those being to be scary, driving you crazy not just by changing your perception of reality but by changing the reality itself, you can't tell facts about a being that is defined by mystery, saying azathot don't dream reality as a fact because lovecraft didn't said it is like saying spiders can't fly because you never saw it, but yet you live in a world where even humans fly, just saying... as you said in 100 stories he never said azathot dream reality, go on then and show us the one story where he specifically said that azathot don't dream reality, a fact for a fact, not once it is said so either, so the logical conclusion, as you said, isn't the one you concluded unfortunately, but is that he left that to the reader interpretation, as he was aware of the existence of the stories of dunsany but chose to neither confirm nor infirm that it could be the same scenario, he was aware that it was a possibility his readers could think of, since lovecraft enjoyers had a high chance to try to read dunsany work too, but decided not to prove them wrong
Yog is NOT stronger than Azathoth and reality WAS born through Azathoth's dreams. First your claim that Yog-Sothoth is called omnipotent while Azathoth never is, isn't true, Azathoth has been stated to be boundless which is the same thing as omnipotence. Next your claim that Yog-Sothoth is the entire mythos combined isn't true either. Yog-Sothoth is the entire multiverse but that doesnt include the gods. the god's are in Yog-Sothoth because Yog-Sothoth is the universe and they are in the universe. If you look at HP's genealogy family tree, Azathoth is the oldest god, he created the nameless mist which in turn created Yog-Sothoth. Saying Azathoth, the nameless mist or Nyarlathotep are a part of Yog-Sothoth makes no sense considering they were all around well before Yog-Sothoth even existed. Next is the claim that nowhere is it stated Azathoth dreams reality. In Weird Tales Hydra, by Henry Kuttner its stated: "It was very near the Center, the Center of Chaos, where dwells Azathoth, the Lord of All Things. All that exists was created by the thoughts of Azathoth, and only in the Center of Ultimate Chaos could Scott find means to live again on earth in human form" You could argue the validity of the story since it was written 2 years after HP died but it was written by someone in the circle and thats kinda the whole point of the mythos.
@@angellara7040 what material he chooses to pick from is his own business. my point is, saying "its not stated anywhere" that the verse was created through azathoth's dreams just isnt true. it was shown in HP lovecraft's family tree where its shown Azathoth created the mist which went on to create Yogsothoth and since Yog IS the verse that would mean Azathoth created the verse. You can ignore the tree if you want but it WAS created by HP, so acting like people just got the idea out of nowhere is just false. and again if you're talking about the MYTHOS that would include stories by authors in HP's circle (Hydra) where its just straight up stated azathoth dreamt up reality.
I've been reading Lovecraft for a long time and I always had the impression that Azathoth was the top of the top dogs and that Yoggy came under him. Maybe there was something I missed, but in the Dunwich Horror, Yog-Sothoth acts as the father of Lavinia Whately's twins, which means he can, at least to a degree, take some kind of physical form.
Taking power scaling into consideration, that boat is between Cthulhu and Shub.
Realistically, the boat isn't above a dreamer. It only damaged Chtulu's physical form. Not his actual form in the void. The list is valid
Ia, Ia, Yachtulu, Canoen!!!
Except no.
@@levbiggs what if there is a Void Boat
@@levbiggs what about a boat Made by a dreamer?
I read Lovecraft's works before any exposure to the mainstream interpretation of it, or to the community, or to people who have vaguely heard something about Lovecraft, or to works "inspired" by Lovecraft. So to me,it felt like this:
In a weird twist, Dreamlands are the "true" world, and Material world is a "playground", something akin to a theater or a masqerade where everyone plays a specific role. Same entity can at one point play the role of a human, and then just change the costume and be the star or whatever it wants - all figuratevely speaking, of course. Everyone is so deep into this performance they don't percieve the world outside of their current role, and the props are exquisite to the point of being mindbreaking, but at the end of the day, it's still just a play.
So that's why a Dreamland rat can eat someone who used to be a god-king in the Material World - power scaling in Dreamlands is completely separate from the Material World power scaling. And, well, that rat isn't really just a rat because Dreamlands operate on a logic that has little to do with stuff like evolution or even coherent timestream.
Also that explains why people in Material world tend to get a tiny bit unhinged when they encounter things or forces from Dreamlands and beyond: because to someone who's deep into their Material world "role" it is very confusing and immersion-breaking, akin to an actor having to deal with some random dude in the audience throwing tomatoes at them for example.
That's beautiful - mindbending in the way that Lovecraftian thoughts should be
I love you take on the Material World as a play with costumes. Well said.
So all the OTHER gods and elder gods want is to RP in the material world? I mean.... it makes sense seeing as cthulhu is literally an octopus fursona
Interesting comment. I’m writing some stories that involve Lovecraft’s creations, since I thought that making creatures so powerful with weird names would simply remind everyone of him and they’re free use, and most of them in a Void are completely amoral and are just trying to have fun however they can. Somewhat how Shinigamis act in Death Note. I wasn’t aware of that piece of lore but it fits well.
@@draconomega "other gods" mean... also because you get mad im doing this deliberitly to piss you off. :D
But can they defeat… boat kun
Boat kun >>>>>>>>> azatoth
They can never defeat bout kun
@@pinksemporium3175but what about truck kun in an isekai?
@@iker9095 He died and got isakied
@@Ilikegnome nooooooo
According to my head cannon, Yog-Sothoth is guarding the other gods from the unfathomable being that is Goku
our hero son CHADku is so cool and strong!
@@literarywho Yog-Fraudothoth
CHADku i kneel @@literarywho
@@daybreak1561Frog-yadothoth! I don't know, what are we doing right now exactly? 😂
and Goku is making sure that Shaggy cannot use more than 0.1% of his full power?
Lovecraft refused to ever use any words that were invented in his century, seeing his work explained with memes would have sent him into a coma
Imagine him seeing a room full of ethnic minorities enjoying and discussing his work.
He had to have been autistic there is no other explanation for that
@@thegatorhator6822 I have no idea why this made me laugh so hard lol
@@thegatorhator6822 depends, he chilled out later in kife
@@l0sts0ul89 it's a joke, doesn't need fact checking lmao
video:
20% telling us about the other gods
80% telling us you don't have to go crazy if you look at the other gods
Apparently, people don't even have the mental fortitude to understand where they are wrong, much less be able to look upon the other gods...
Granted, I wouldn't want to be in their path, I'd be dead real quick, as would 99% of all people here... However, I've seen some sh!t in my day and Cthulhu is low on the list...
@@billstephens396 fuck you mean 99%??
@@gowgox9362 Why pull out your hair? It's not a good show...
@@gowgox9362 anger issues 😂
@@billstephens396 yeah, no, dude. The way Cthulhu is depicted is not even close. That is why Lovecraftian horror is indescribable and why most of the media based on Lovecrafts work fail. There is no way human mind can picture it, so we just slapped octopus on Shrek and gave it wings.
Since Cthulhu needs blood to remain in our relm does that mean if I had a REALLY big needle I could just take all of his blood?
Pretty much.
No…
But then you have Cthulhu blood outside and that's even worse
What if I drink it?@@juter1122
The forbidden juice.
I very much would like to see you cover the "Good" gods of the Cthulhu Mythos.
EDIT: Please stop trying to correct me on the notion of there being good gods in the Yog Sothothery. I know you can't really call any of them really "good", that's why I put "Good" in quotation marks.
Literally Who, the person with the frog avatar in the video this comment is on, referred to "good guys" in the Lovecraft universe in the same manner I did at the very end of the video, he said he may do a video on them, and I wanted to express my interest in such a video in the same manner he did.
Stop being a smart ass, please.
you mean the nodens
Also Bast.
@@tomkerruish2982 The guy literally alluded to the "good" gods at the end of this video, and somewhere else in th Nyarlathotep section, even alluded to Abrahamic God, it's not like my comment came out of nowhere.
@@danield.d.d.daniels7292 I haven't gotten there yet. I just finished the Cthulhu section.
It is foolish to place primal notions of good or evil on even the "good" gods of yogsothothry. Yes not "cthulhu" mythos like you say.
you added content dude, this is not just a compilation, this is DIVINE
27:15 “by using the ancient and almost forgotten art known as reading” is getting real 💀
Ok but are they strong enough to handle the allegations of idiots thinking they have the passive ability to make everyone who sees them go crazy? Truly an endless battle.
Almost the entire mainstream media believes this for some reason.
And that Azathoth dreams reality
imo at this point we are kinda just coming up with new lore. like imo people can think what ever they want about the mythos as long as they're enjoying it and it's characters.
I do enjoy the ability to make one go crazy. I think it falls in line with us being 3 dimensional physical and ignorant beings and our brains just can’t comprehend such creatures if we’re unprepared for it. So we would just go crazy. And how in some stories beings that communicate telepathically break the minds of beings that can’t causing them to go crazy
@@Heavenly_Demon_God Fungi from Yuggoth
Plot twist: he went crazy after looking at the Other Gods and it made him spend most of the video explaining why that isn’t a thing.
Yog-Sothoth has no friends, making him the weakest Shonen Anime character.
This was a great video, thank you for creating this.
I’m personally wondering where the love craft verse would scale for warhammer 40K and Bo Bo Bo, I would love to hear your analysis on it.
rip webcamparrot
Lovecradt verse would floor 40k pretty easy. The only stuff that could go to around chuthulu at most are the chaos gods and gork and mork. Tho if the "can't just pop into realspace" applies necrons could screw with many manifestations but a dreamer would be to much to handle even for a full power C'tan (if the dreamer is competend)
For the godsmentioned before their biggest problem is that they are dependend on mortal believers for strength/existence so screwing with that could depower/kill them.
I’d say that the 40k cosmology is at biggest the size of the dreamlands o earth
Talking cat solos both verses.
19:50 Oh, I always thought that the characters were unreliable, and the creature in Call of Cthulu was just a regular C'thulian waking up for a midnight piss.
They probably are
Then you understand the story 👍
That makes more sense. It probably was one just awakened. The very last of HPL´s stories say that the great elders used atomic weaponry to battle them Cthulhians, Carkash-ton in his "The trail of Cthulhu" ends the book with humans nuking Cthulhu into oblivion, so probably it wasnt even Cthulhu itself.
13:46 Love the fact that you added the Winged Dragon Of Ra as the representator of the egyptian gods
It is described as "of Ra", it's his pet falcon.
I love everyone of these videos especially the ones from this series and now they're all in the same place. How convenient! I appreciate you clarifying certain things, like the use of the term "Other Gods". It's easy to forget that these stories were written about a century ago and have been utilized in popular fiction for a long time. Many of the concepts have been misinterpreted by later authors and publishers. Thanks again for making these videos and keep up the great work!
I think the Presence and his son Lucifer are given how grand and huge the DC totality is. Like Lucifer and Micheal have feats on par with or greater than Marvel's TOAA considering his cosmology is so much smaller then theirs. It's just a single multiverse that was originally one universe.
@@diamantemrobinsonTheir Verse < The Azathoth + The Yog Sothoth
It was a very good series and i learned a lot about Lovecraft, now pls make about world of darknes power scaling
guys he hearted it! it could actualy be happening! 🤩
YES!!!!!!
I second that!
Yes the world of darkness
First video of yours I ever watched, and surprisingly, one of the best videos on Lovecraft mythos I've ever seen!
Keep this style and coherency up and you'll be seeing the Silver button in no time
Calling Cthulhu a "Great Old One" or "Outer God" and believing that he has an insanity aura, has the same nerd-culture energy as DnD calling an arming sword a longsword and believing that a bastard sword is actually longer than a LONGsword.
Other god and Outer god debate is semantics, and they are interchangeable in normal discourse as they refer to the exact same pool of beings with the difference of one being literally referred, whilst the other one has gotten popular due to a piece of media practically opening up another opportunity for newcomers to enjoy the media. It'd more nerd-culture energy having to be patronizing when correcting someone less knowledgeable but that's probably a biased perspective on a lot of these comments.
Even on the scale of Immortal beings, Cthulhu being vigintillions of years old is probably one of largest scales of time any fictional being have been alive for. I can't think of even a single other fiction that has even close to that much time scale in it. Not that Lovecraft necessarily populated that timescale in the same way that the Dune series populates it's timescale.
Thank you for trying to explain the vast mysteries of this mythos in a way this lowly one can start to comprehend ( kind of).
The sheer mass of info is astounding and is clearly a work of love. Thank you
Now its so much easier to rewatch all now🔥
watch out dude, there's a fire next to you!!
@@trime1015lol
i am glad to have notifications to this channel, the other gods rant is always great to hear
loved how you made your points VERY clear!
From my understanding it is not a power that these entities posses that drives those who view them mad, but rather they lose there sanity trying to comprehend something that is beyond a mortal three dimensional mind to do so.
That is why only some go mad when viewing them, those who are very imaginative and smart or those who are very dim and simple can view them with the viewers sanity being mostly intact because they either have enough understanding to grapple with what they are seeing or are just too dense to understand what they are looking at.
The majority of people are just smart or imaginative enough to see part of the truth of the Other/Out Gods forms, but not enough to handle what that means and it breaks their minds.
Also if you don't care, it's a squid thing that you can't seem to hit, even when I shoot at it, that's terrifying, but what they look like is less scary than what they'd *do* to you if they catch you.
People were really sensitive back in Lovecraft's day, they'd faint if you flashed them, elder things probably wouldn't scare zoomers much.
"Of damn is that dog rabid!?"
*Sprays 18,000,000 scoville hot sauce on it*
AEHOOOOOOOOO, a 1 hour video about powerscaling Lovecraft, thank you very much!
amazing you actually made a collage, i casually saw your channel a day ago to see whats up and now i see this, win. watched full hour to have a bit of fun, gg
I was not familiar with the lovecraft mythos and to my shame i must admit that the few things i knew included the "Azatoth dreams reality" idea. I really enjoyed this video.
same here, i heard about yog being so much higher rhan azathoth, yet azathoth makes the univers by napping and didnt think much past that
I would really like a video about who you think are the strongest characters in all of fiction. The reason for that is that I have a child brain and I am excited at the thought of "the biggest number", but I think I am not the only one considering what this channel is doing, so that video idea is probably a good one.
Me personally I'd say either Lovecraft-verse or SCP-verse is the strongest in fiction, the reason I say SCP-verse is just because they have a few characters who constantly ascend narrative layers which is kinda ridiculous in itself as each narrative is a dimensional layer.
The strongest character is Bob.
Bob's characteristics are being the strongest in all of fiction.
The problem with this is the fact you have to compete with Cultivators which are basically Buddah but infinitely stronger.
@@originalfitzy5567 See, but anyone can create their own fictional universe and make them stronger by looking at those universes and tailor their own creation to be stronger.
Senseless discussion when you start getting to infinite or irrelevant numbers
To add to the point regarding Yog-Sothoth's omniscience and omnipresence, Lovecraft's cheeky nickname for the mythos was "Yog-Sothothery".
I've been waiting for this video for YEARS THANK YOU
I think you could make more characters like Hastur and Nodens,they are really cool too, I keep asking for videos about underworld gods and dragons from different cultures
I would also like to know more about Nodens as he is quite unique when compared to many gods in the Lovecraft mythos.
...and Hastur is the lovecraftian interpretation of "The King In Yellow."
@Rowan1002 norsens and hastur weren't even created by Lovecraft anyways.
@@jays903 the more you know.
@jays903 (Not to be that guy but) yes Hastur wasn’t created by lovecraft, having been only name dropped by him once. but Nodens has actually been established to be in the Mythos appearing in I believe the dream quest of unknown Kadath.
The image you used from Shub shows you're a man of culture. Love that one
Who is the character used?
@@Dante_number1 "Chiyo" from the manga "the elder sister like one"
I love this power scaling, finally someone that explains lovecraft power scaling, amazing video
I've always considered myself a big Lovecraft fan, and I didn't know half the things you said in this video. Especially the some people can look at one of the other gods, without going insane. Your video has popped up in my recommended many times, but I only decided to sit down and watch it now, and I'm happy I did. You explain things well, with subtle not over the top humor. I will definitely subscribe
I love your videos it funny and entertaining asf. Keep up the good work my guy
Ngl the editing is so awesome. Just thinking how much time this video took is gonna make me insane
an hour long literaly who video is the best christmas present i could ask for
merry christmas brother.
@@literarywho so would a random dreamer be able to solo the dragon ball verse since he scales above zeno
@@literarywho Regard argument why Yog is evil there is actually a logical prove of that. If HE is the Other Gods and they are mostly evil, then Yog must be the same as them. Idea that he is not come from misconception that he protect from them. What actually is not the case.
thanks for this video, i love these super specific niche hour long videos about a topic I never cared about before
On the topic of the insanity some people get from the lovecraft beings, a wonderful video I watched described the 3 states people could have when met with something overwhelmingly greater than them. Cosmic horror, cosmic indifference, and cosmic bliss. We see people in the mythos go through these different stages. Some go insane, some are shaken but held it together, then those who go full on worshipping these greater things because the sheer enormity of it brings an unfathomable amount of bliss. To be one with something greater than you.
43:10
I love your explanation of the staircase. It clearly shows the ranking of things, but at the same time your explanation of “that is how powerful Azathoth is” is absurd, and incomprehensible.
“If you cant see it you cant fight it!!!!!”
Scp-096 sitting in its titanium cube :
this is so underrated man, you deserve every view and like you get and way more
This is epic -- I've really only ever heard the pop culture version of C'thulu, so even just the terms "Other Gods" and the material/dreamscape/ordered universe cosmology is great to hear.
Going to have to watch this at least a couple times, I've been trying to build a D&D Warlock who's patron is definitely inspired by lovecraft but still different enough to be its own thing. It's a non-entity floating among all the possibilities that never were, never will be, and have never been thought. It has no name, it has no thoughts, it by definition does not exist. It exists beyond the D&D cosmology, and even beyond the DM's knowing. Only the tiniest fractions of its infinite possibilities ever break away and enter the world -- enter the players around the table's imaginations. It's goal, as much as it has one, is to exist. An impossible task -- by definition, I can't imagine the possibilities that will never be imagined. Whatever Lovecraftian lore brings to the table, this Patron is everything else that didn't make it.
And my character has caught a glimpse of this truth. He understands, on some level, that his D&D reality is mutable and ephemeral. He exists because I conceive of him. I conceive of him because I have the smallest glimpse of this impossible non-entity of infinite possibilities that will never be. He's a Warlock serving this patron by attempting to bring about its One Goal - existence. But he must try, because he has no free will -- only my will. And I must do my best to make this character memorable and bring new thoughts into existence because that is what this entity desires. Just as I must share this idea with you, to spread this idea and by doing so spread its influence, so that perhaps we may together come closer to brining all of unreality into existence.
I'm trying to take that idea, and tell it exclusively through the D&D character's perspective. Because I think it's more compelling that way, which ultimately serves the entity by spreading its ideas and influence to more people. My Warlock does not know he's a D&D character; he does not know I exist -- except perhaps for the small glimpses that I allow.
All of the craziness of D&D's Far Realms, and Lovecraft, and SCP -- someone has thought those thoughts. They are infinitely more real than all the things that will never be thought, and they are likewise an impossibly infinitesimal fraction of all the unthought thoughts and unreal things.
This is an impossible battle for the unnamed entity. His vast non-existence can never meaningfully be brought into existence. But even the smallest parts are a win.
Point is, (aside from sharing this concept so that you might think a thought that would otherwise have never been thought), I want to keep refining this concept. So I will gladly watch this video and make a pass over my homebrew lore to try and make it better. To make it more ... effective.
That concept is amazing. That is all. Have a good day.
I hope you found a way to express your idea because it truly sounds amazing. I would love to play a campaign like this.
Though I personally do not like this interpretation of Cthulhu. My basic take is that most eldritch beings are simply incomprehensible, with few exceptions. And Cthulhu want do something on earth, through his representatives. But everything else is opinion of crazy people. It is entirely possible that what boat encountered, was not even Cthulhu. In fact that is the most logical answer.
same boat, i was making a GOOlock that got SO MUCH flavor for their patron from this one video...
to bad the campaign got canned
I love how he talks normally until he gets to the esoteric, then he speeds up. It’s fantastic. Makes understanding new stuff so much easier.
If everything is part of a creature, that includes all desire to not act & all desire to lose.
In its own way, despite being the most powerful, it also makes you the weakest because you cannot intentionally do anything with that power by nature of that power. You could then, presumably, be beaten by anything which lacks at least one of those flaws (or even only has those two flaws to a lesser extent).
Which makes sense considering the nature of stories, where the characters (protagonist or antagonist) all seek to "win" within the setting, in some way/shape/form. Every setting, to some extent (every "staircase") wishes to be conquered or otherwise 'beaten'.
I should add that this video is really entertaining, and I'll be diving into more of your content very soon! Keep it up!
Huge fan of your channel man.
Right? He's so good I'm wondering why he has only 30k subs.
@@szonator
probably because i only upload once a month, sometimes.
if there's one thing the youtube algorithm hates, it's inconsistent upload schedules. the algorithm rewards channels that upload regularly and consistently.
once you understand this, it's not shocking that a channel like mine barely gets recommended to people.
not that i care; i don't upload content for the views. i do it because it entertains me.
@@literarywho
If algorythm won't recommend you we need to do it
@@literarywho A good mind set to have
Amazing video, incredible channel!
I'm glad that you made it a point to scrub the myths of both the passive madness and Azathoth dreaming reality. I never bought either case since if they were, then how could Cthulhu be beaten by a guy in a boat with him looking at him several times and Azathoth being imprisoned, blind and stupid. If he was dreaming reality, then why is he imprisoned? Is he into some BDSM or something?
I watched this because I recently decided to read all of Lovecraft’s stories and this video has given me a whole new perspective of the mythos that only makes me more excited to read them
"Thank you for giving me an hour of your life"
Thank you for making that hour for me! 😊
Fun to learn about the Outer God's passive mind breaking psychic aura! Thanks for sharing! ❤
So you're telling me you're repackaging 5 of your previous videos with some edits as a single 1 hour long video?
THAT'S MY GOAT!
This about to do NUMBERS in the Algorithm!!
I swear your content never misses
This man Lovecraft really saw foreign gods from other cultures and said "I'm gonna make them the most nightmare inducing degree of op so everyone else can feel the same fear I do when an immigrant asks me for change"
When I was looking at this from the comment preview from the vid player it just ended as "make them the most nig-" and I was very concerned with the next statement.
Tbf all gods are nightmarish entities when you actually think about them. Or just read the stories.
"giving me an hour of your life"
sounds so ominous
I was not ready for that picture of Chadthullu
It’s always a good day when your videos come out
It's a shame that the ttrpg of Call of Cthulhu caused confusion and such for the lovecraftian lore, as it is a really enjoyable game despite such information.
Tbf Outer Gods sounds a lot cooler than Other Gods
pretty great video, thanks for the information!
Given how Lovecraft himself had encouraged those in his friend group to use his concepts and how he would also sometimes reference their works, I feel that claims of a hard canon within the Cthulhu Mythos tend to feel silly. Still great work on the video itself, definitely helps to put some stuff into perspective regarding where a lot of the entities within the Mythos compare.
I feel the same,like you said he encouraged people to add on to his verse meaning the things they said should not be ignored,I think a lot of Lovecraft fans feel like only the stuff made by H.P himself should count even though that goes against what he himself wanted,I do think his stuff takes precedence but many take it way too far imo(I do like these videos though,they are super informative)
Yes encouraging fanfiction is good. Enjoying fanfiction is good. Saying fanfiction OVERRIDES base canon is bad.
@@thegatorhator6822 What if the writer says that fanfiction IS canon?
@@Alex_Barbosa then he's stupid
But what if the fanfiction was written by a minority
Always nice to see an upload of yours
The Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath is one of my favorite stories of all time. And having read it a few years after playing Dark Souls, I immediately felt that the world of Dark Souls, especially the interconnections of the locations, was inspired by that story. I don't know if that's really the case though.
1 hour video from my fav powerscaler, YES SIR!
This is a great video.
Dreamer: "Are you strong because you are Azathoth, or are you Azathoth because you are Strong?"
The fact he kept bringing up defeating goku is hilarious. Nobody stands a chance against truck kun
48:31 dogs being the purest harts alive make sence on why they hate the void creatures
the only important question is... if yog-sothoth punches himself, and it hurts, is he strong or is he weak?
He just Is.
It means he is a masochist
No, he's an idiot and an masochist
It means he's as powerful as Yogg'Sothoth and can damage Yogg'Sothoth so he's Yogg'Sothoth level.
Which is in a tier called Pataversal which is above Extraversal.
For clarification, a character who's Baseline Extraversal is trans Infinitley above a Trans High Infinite Outerversal character, and the difference between a Trans High Infinite Extraversal character and a Baseline Pataversal character, is bigger than the difference between a tiny, almost dead bug and Infinite Azathoth's.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki you no one understand these cause some of this philosophies are born from jokes
It looks like insane ramblings
Yog is omnipotent
Thats all
I like how beloved stories/worlds evolve over time. You see it with Tolkein's works and his revisions over time. So Yog-Sothoth is supposed to be the whole of existence, but he is the grandkid of Azathoth. Sort of a great-grandfather paradox?
Would be cool to also talk about those by other authors such as Clark ashton smith or frank belknap long
(and nodens lol) nonetheless pretty great
Thank you. I do not know what else can I say. You are a beautiful soul. Keep up the good work!
Great video!
One thing I’m still just a BIT unclear on though:
If I look at an Outer God, I’ll automatically go insane, right?
Not necessarily. I think that if you have a sufficiently closed mind you might retain sanity, or you might close your mind down further yet. A sufficiently disciplined and tired soldier would possibly be able to resist their arcane influence.
Edit: commented before watching video, so didn't get the joke...
*SCREAMS OF FRUSTRATION* YOU LITTLE-
(I get the joke)
We need more!!!! I love these longer videos
But what if Cthulhu had a gun?
Nuxanor brought me here. Love this video. Will let it run so you get watch time. Keep up the good work king.
I don't really understand the part about Cthulhu not being in R'lyeh. If you read The Call of Cthulhu it mentions several times that he is in R'lyeh. Even specifying in a "stone vault at R'lyeh". Am I missing something?
I think the thing about Cthulhu looking accurate to the illustration that Lovecraft made is maybe a little bit flexible. The thing in the illustration is not Cthulhu itself, it is the idol statue of him, and statues of things are sometimes not a perfect realistic depiction of the thing, they can be proportionally a little bit weird and there can be artistic liberties taken, so I don't know if it has ever been specified that he literally looks exactly like that or if it's just a pretty good approximation, so personally I don't have an issue with people depicting him to not look exactly the same as the Statue because it's just a statue and I have never heard anything said to clarify how accurate to the real thing Lovecraft intended the statue to be.
I’m pretty sure that the dreamer in Beyond the Wall of Sleep wasn’t a human. He was a cosmic intelligence that had been confined to a human body by one of its enemies. This is why he was strong enough to fight a god and light up the sky, not because he was a human empowered by the Other Gods.
no.
there are two dreamers in that story and they are both human.
you don't have to believe me, you can go find out for yourself.
you can find "beyond the walls of sleep" online very easily and you can read the story completely for free.
once you've read this comment, instead of replying to me, you can use that time to go read "beyond the walls of sleep". it should take you no longer than 30 minutes to read that story.
today you can find out if what i'm saying is true.
@@literarywho “Joe Slater is dead… He is better dead, for he was unfit to bear the active intellect of cosmic entity. His gross body could not undergo the needed adjustments between ethereal life and planet life. He was too much of an animal, too little a man; yet it is through his deficiency that you have come to discover me, for the cosmic and planet souls rightly should never meet. He has been my torment and diurnal prison for forty-two of your terrestrial years. I am an entity like that which you yourself become in the freedom of dreamless sleep.”
So it’s a self described “cosmic entity” trapped in a human body. It’s “like” a dreamer, but is instead a “cosmic” soul which should never have had contact with “planet souls”. Maybe you should take a few minutes to check your sources before leaving snotty replies.
well first of all, i was not trying to be "snotty" with my reply so i apologize if you felt that way because that was not my intention. this is just a problem with communicating through text. you can never really hear the tone the other person is using and sometimes intonation is enough to change the meaning of a sentence.
language is fun like that!
second, i think that the excerpt you posted proves me right. one dreamer, or "cosmic soul" if we are using your terminology, one of them tells the other "hey we are the same type of being".
third, even if we go with your approach, the "cosmic soul" (again, using your terminology here) basically tells the dreamer "hey because we are the same type of being, that's why we can do things like choose to be other beings at other points in time, because we have the same kind of power" and after that the "cosmic soul" goes and punches a monster in space. this should be enough to infer that dreamers do have DBZ levels of power since by the admission of the "cosmic soul" dreamers and "cosmic souls" are the same so they should be equally as strong.
and finally, this is such a stupid thing to argue about, so, if you disagree, then you know what? i preemptively concede. i really like talking about power scaling, call me a manchild, i will accept it, but talking about power levels is fun for me. what i don't care for however is the whole "vs debating" thing so if you disagree with everything i said then let me say this right now: i am wrong and you are right.
have a good day!
Batmans new plan to handle outer gods, using reverse engineered scarecrow gas to make him perceive them as harmless things. Got it.
Ancient gear truly is the best archetype...
based fellow ancient gear enjoyer.
I spent this video getting a piece of popcorn out of a tooth socket i had pulled 2 weeks ago, now THAT is something that can drive a man mad instantly.
So even a dreamer can low diff goku.......WTF
Zeno is basically just a dreamer.
He's kinda retarded though @@DanielMWJ
@@DanielMWJ weaker i would say since as far as we know he can only destroy
i said deja vu, and the very next second the song started lol. Also, this is a really good video
Wait wait, weren't the deep ones worshipped Dagon?
Also the editting was legendary
Drinking game : Take a shot every time the narrator says Yog-Sothoth and if you don't get your stomach pumped you win.
Nah, I’d win.
I watched Nux's review of your video. You're awesome. I just spent 2.5 hrs watching this hour long video, so I'll have to leave this video streaming on my phone while I do something else so you get the view directly. I can't wait to watch some of your other videos. I have liked and subbed and interacted, so hopefully that helps your algorithm a little bit.
I know that the elder gods don’t automatically drive you insane when you look at them, but the fact that you COULD go insane when you look at them means that any character who fights them has to do so with their eyes closed or take a risk to their mental health.
Probably every character takes some level of psychic damage
I think the whole "looking at them makes you go mad" this is more about the sudden realization that there are other things out there we can't comprehend and we are so insignificant to them is what can drive some people crazy.
From a quick look at the Dreamlands wiki it seems more likely that the Cats dream the waking world, but that seems unlikely as well
the lovecraft wiki mixes lore from multiple sources and writers to create what is essentially their own headcanon.
for crying out loud that wiki even uses the lore from the FFG card game and presents it as if it was part of the lore written by lovecraft.
anyone who wants to learn about the stories and characters created by lovecraft should stay away from that wiki.
@@literarywhoi know that lovecraft was open to let other artists add stuff to his universe, but instead of reading a wikipedia page, knowing how many things have been changed and added... wouldn't reading lovecraft's original 100 stories be the best way to understand his work?
If only people did that instead of bitching about which of their favorite universes is stonger then the community would be far more united and knowledgeable about lovecraft's work
@@willghezzijust read the whole lovecraft circle stories and if you wanna go on extended one. Read Ramsay and Ligotti stories. They follow lovecraft canon
@@FffXdhgf yeah I do have all the original 100, currently reading them and loving it, easily one of the best fictional universes if you ask me... also, i just want to add that i absolutely hate how scp or world of darkness fans like to pop in in every discussion anout lovecraft and act cool because their favorite universe is stronger... like can't you just appreciate a good story? Who cares if one is stronger? Expecially since the chtulhu mythos are already among the top dogs of strongest fictional universes... sorry for the rant but I had to get it out😅
Thank you for this
I don't think the texts back up the claim that Yog-Sothoth is the setting itself and includes creatures in the void. While Yog Sothoth is the All-in-one, the Void and the Chaos exist outside of the ordered universe, and could easily not count as "everything". The family tree for Azathoth which you referenced shows that Azathoth is the grandfather of Yog-Sothoth and predates him, which means that Azathoth created everything, which then created Yog Sothoth, of which Azathoth is just a fragment.
It makes more sense to me that Yog-Sothoth is the ordered universe instead.
One of HPL's letters to Clark Ashton Smith from 1930 back this up - "Azathoth, the mindless Lord of Nighted Chaos who is the father of all other horrors & is coeval with the Ultimate Abyss itself;"
This confirms the family tree and that Azathoth is the creator of Yog-Sothoth, and your own logic that the creator of something has all the power of the thing it created puts Azathoth at least at a tie with Yog Sothoth, no?
The family tree is a joke intended, and Lovecraft explicitly says that Yog-Sothoth is "Omnipotent" since he is the only character described by Lovecraft with that word solely. So with that proof is more than enough.
@@Renzo-eq9bu then logically either the creator does not have all the powers of the created, yog-sothoth is not the only omnipotent being, or Azathoth is beyond omnipotent. I lean towards the first, but this video bases everything on the second.
@@TwistedFox42 Well Lovecraft did not really focus on world building. Safe to say the factual reference we can only have are his implicit or explicit statements.
Also there can only be one Omnipotent being in a verse, the word "Omnipotent" is used loosely around fictional verses without that character being omnipotent itself you cant just use the "Omnipotent" word that often.
I've searched every lovecraft books for that word description and he ONLY did describe it implicitly to "Yog-Sothoth" as Omnipotent, despite lacking feats.
Statements might be not enough but the clues the author leave behind are substancial.
@@Renzo-eq9buWhich is why I quoted Lovecraft directly explaining that Azathoth (an addition to the family tree that was later than yog-sothoth and after the omnipotent label) was the father of everything, and was the same age as the ultimate abyss itself. A location that exists outside of the ordered reality where Yog-Sothoth is considered omnipotent.
This video ranks almost every single great old one based on their power, WITH the assumption that the creator/progenitor has the same power as the created.
Since Azathoth is the creator of Yog-Sothoth, this video MUST claim that it has at least the same level of power, if not more. This is a direct contradiction of it's entire ranking system.
I personally don't agree with this idea, I can easily imagine that a created is stronger than the creator.
@@TwistedFox42A lineage is a human concept which does not apply to the likes of these beings, which is a appropriate theme for the Cthulhu Mythos Cosmic horror. Lovecraft also said in his letters to Willis Conover (September 1, 1936) that Yog-Sothoth has no parent at all. I (even the majority of Lovecraft enthusiast) don't always treat the family tree as something serious since it is not a good reference, an example in the family tree would be how come lovecraft is a direct descendant of Nyarlathotep in the first place? If we use common sense, that is just an inside joke between lovecraft and his pen pals. By default since the family tree is a joke intended by the author, therefore Yog-Sothoth was never the Grandchild of Azathoth.
But hey, at least you acknowledge that Yog-Sothoth is Omnipotent.
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i'd have to argue, you can't say that azathot don't dream reality just because lovecraft didn't said it himself, he never said anything in direct contradiction either so it's on each individual person to interpret as they read, even your quote that naruto and goku aren't the same person is matter of interpretation, maybe all shonen primary protagonists are a reincarnation of goku and you can't see it, maybe just one changing note of one instrument can change the laws of physics and nobody would remember it has been different once, maybe he needs to awake in his dream to eat the other gods because if he awoke for real nothing would exist except himself and he need to dream his preys to have something to eat.
one thing is sure, lovecraft imagined those being to be scary, driving you crazy not just by changing your perception of reality but by changing the reality itself, you can't tell facts about a being that is defined by mystery, saying azathot don't dream reality as a fact because lovecraft didn't said it is like saying spiders can't fly because you never saw it, but yet you live in a world where even humans fly, just saying...
as you said in 100 stories he never said azathot dream reality, go on then and show us the one story where he specifically said that azathot don't dream reality, a fact for a fact, not once it is said so either, so the logical conclusion, as you said, isn't the one you concluded unfortunately, but is that he left that to the reader interpretation, as he was aware of the existence of the stories of dunsany but chose to neither confirm nor infirm that it could be the same scenario, he was aware that it was a possibility his readers could think of, since lovecraft enjoyers had a high chance to try to read dunsany work too, but decided not to prove them wrong
Great, exelent video. Enjoyed every second of it, thankyou for it Mr. frog from yuggoth.
Yog is NOT stronger than Azathoth and reality WAS born through Azathoth's dreams.
First your claim that Yog-Sothoth is called omnipotent while Azathoth never is, isn't true, Azathoth has been stated to be boundless which is the same thing as omnipotence.
Next your claim that Yog-Sothoth is the entire mythos combined isn't true either. Yog-Sothoth is the entire multiverse but that doesnt include the gods. the god's are in Yog-Sothoth because Yog-Sothoth is the universe and they are in the universe.
If you look at HP's genealogy family tree, Azathoth is the oldest god, he created the nameless mist which in turn created Yog-Sothoth. Saying Azathoth, the nameless mist or Nyarlathotep are a part of Yog-Sothoth makes no sense considering they were all around well before Yog-Sothoth even existed.
Next is the claim that nowhere is it stated Azathoth dreams reality. In Weird Tales Hydra, by Henry Kuttner its stated:
"It was very near the Center, the Center of Chaos, where dwells Azathoth, the Lord of All Things. All that exists was
created by the thoughts of Azathoth, and only in the Center of Ultimate Chaos could Scott find means to live again on earth in human form"
You could argue the validity of the story since it was written 2 years after HP died but it was written by someone in the circle and thats kinda the whole point of the mythos.
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He literally mentions that hes looking at what Lovecraft wrote. He even has a whole thing when he used that family tree.
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what material he chooses to pick from is his own business. my point is, saying "its not stated anywhere" that the verse was created through azathoth's dreams just isnt true. it was shown in HP lovecraft's family tree where its shown Azathoth created the mist which went on to create Yogsothoth and since Yog IS the verse that would mean Azathoth created the verse. You can ignore the tree if you want but it WAS created by HP, so acting like people just got the idea out of nowhere is just false. and again if you're talking about the MYTHOS that would include stories by authors in HP's circle (Hydra) where its just straight up stated azathoth dreamt up reality.
@@TFF_Onida which only happened after h.p died.
@@angellara7040 He made the family tree before he died.
I've been reading Lovecraft for a long time and I always had the impression that Azathoth was the top of the top dogs and that Yoggy came under him. Maybe there was something I missed, but in the Dunwich Horror, Yog-Sothoth acts as the father of Lavinia Whately's twins, which means he can, at least to a degree, take some kind of physical form.