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I clicked on this video as soon as I saw it. There's been such a general drought of pvp improvement/strategy/technique content lately. So excited to see this. Also, you're a great interviewer
Thanks! Man I miss making PvP improvement content so much. Thats the whole reason I started making UA-cam videos in the first place. It’s just been so hard to get views on that kind of content over the past few years that most of us have been forced to pivot away from it to stay afloat financially. I really hope the new focus they seem to be putting on PvP brings enough interest that we can afford to make more content like this regularly
@@PattycakesGaming totally. I used to hoover up this sort of content. I feel the population being so miniscule and the meta being ability and special heavy, with far too many options to be successful in Crucible that don't revolve around gunplay, there's such little interest in learning the nuances that the game offers and excels in offering.
@@PattycakesGaming I completely understand the situation. I'm a professional musician and there are always similar decisions to be made when choosing music to program, record, etc. It's your profession and knowing what works and what doesn't is part of it. I'll never blame you for times you don't put out this kind of content, but I'll ALWAYS try to show thanks and appreciation when you do :)
playing with intention is really important. I feel like its something newer players dont get specially on trials. the time it takes to ress, holding a lane with ghosts, learning to play more safe to wait on a pick, small decisions that make the whole of a good partner on matchmaking is always if they're paying attention to the limited decisions the enemies can make against them while they hold these places.
I’m pants at PvP, so this is my approach - I just try to keep a positive KA/D. My patch of red on a radar is as threatening as anyone else’s while I’m still alive (well, until they see the gamertag, anyway)… 😏
@@JinYasha someone that barely knows how to play the game doesn't know how to "be a threat." they have no understanding of the concept of creating pressure. they don't know how to rotate around the map. they can barely read the radar. "play your life" means nothing as well. t's advice for people who don't need it.
I think saying "trying to play like sweats sets yourself up for frustration" and "try to learn from how sweats play" illustrates the philosophical frustrations of pvp matchmaking. And I'm not mad at him for saying it that way, i think it encapsulates the dichotomy of destiny pvp at this stage really well. That is why the cbmm / sbmm argument is eternal.
I think he's talking about two different things but didn't properly clarify, watching experienced players has helped my game sense and map awareness a lot, not because I'm trying to mimic the way they move or aim but because I'm paying attention to where in the map they go, little ledges and "cheese spots" that most players don't know exist are very helpful for catching people off guard. The knowledge they can give you is the valuable thing, some of the commentary that players like cammycakes can also help teach game sense to a degree.
Difizzle has a entire career that he's got to focus on an his twitch channel is popping an he's earned the right to have a hint of elitism an surely be short on time an fks to give but I will always tell myq experience an my personal struggle to go flawless an get a new igneous when it was brought back an obviously that coincided with the craftening and I refused to give up but I logged 12 hrs in 2 days an 16 the next 2 for Jack shite my frustration level had reached a point that someone was going to get some money to make some magic happen an I was spending hour after hour on twitch watching fizz do legend things and I was failing terribly with that as well an I was new to twitch and I was like ef it a i offered him 500 dollars bro for a Carry an I was actually being a terrible memeber when i implicated him in a crime that he would have been in major shit for his understanding and his willingness to explain to me what I did wrong an why an he would not accept my money even on the low heres the moment that he showed his true character and he spent atleast an hour while he was trying to carry a player that made me feel like panduh but I am not fabricating this story but I have been to the lighthouse 16 times since then all solo and the situations an he has totally changed my game and I know it's trash compared to others but I'm on a 6 for 6 streak and I always pay homage to the person who literally gave me time a person who was only a me ever for 6 months an i didn't jump through hoops and he has the ability to be real direct an bro I can't thank him enough but I will always post this
A big tip for people who wanna improve - spend more time in rumble. It’ll teach you to rely on teammates cover less and focus on your own positioning, aim and decisions more. Also you can see where you’re lacking gameplay/game sense wise and adjust accordingly. It helped me a lot and I hope it helps you!
One of my favorite things about my times spent trying to get good at fighting games is the ability to try to predict habits of players on a micro and macro-game scale. It translates in FPS games pretty well. Knowing someone's pace and aggression is a pretty important part of PvP games. It's almost like getting to know a person in a sense. The ability to predict these things comes from a foundation of the knowledge of the game. There's levels!
Was just breaking down exactly this to someone yesterday about how within the first round of comp or trials you need to feel out and get a rating in your head of their aggro to passivity and if they are a crutch first or primary player. Crutch first people will play too hard off a fusion as their main, or a peregrine titan trying to hard to use it or that hunter sliding into your lane in reality is dodging right the heck backwards with a decoy threading spam being his real opener. Once you have those in mind you can really keep them at bay or play advantageously against their crutch.
As someone who is one of the few lightweight bow mains it really is sad to see so many people at this level ximming or doing illegitimate stuff, then turn around and be mad at me for using my bow.
It takes balls to play a bow main in this current meta especially after recent nerfs . Been trying to learn Ticcus myself I’m at the point where I relish the bow hate and the teabags I get
47:01 I agree completely, and I think that a lot of the recent changes work against this idea. Snowballing special ammo, primary meta, less body shot damage. Bungo made the crucible LESS rewarding for players with lower skill and experience, which is NOT what I wanted from a game that is already notoriously frustrating and sweaty in the eyes of new and casual guardians
The problem is back in the day when comp was good there was something to grind for. And it was challenging if you were an average player even getting to Luna's Howel was hard but it felt great when you finally achieved it. The only one that didn't feel great was mountaintop because it took so damn long at least for anyone who did it the legit way. And those weapons were amazing both in PVP and PVE they were the best weapons so the player base in terms of people who wanted the weapons was so much larger and they just haven't been able to duplicate that.
8:10 applies to so many games, made me think about LoL for a second. The threat of an ability is often times more impactful than using the ability because it allows you to be immediately punished if you missplay, or just the difference it makes when one person dies.
I understand the "morality" of meta. The real problem for me is that everytime something is meta, it's something I find boring to use. And I don't want to play the meta since it's just a game to have fun.
The problem with any multiplayer game is regardless of the developers' intent, players will find a way to suck the fun out of it in favor of min/maxing and cooming all over their spreadsheets. It's even more so prevalent now when there's a million UA-cam videos out there, "THE MOST BROKEN OP PVP BUILD YOU SHOULD BE USING" or "THIS WEAPON IS A MUST IN TRIALS", "IF YOU'RE NOT USING THIS LOADOUT IN PVP, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG." It's been this way since the dawn of the MMO. This is why I generally prefer to do PvE content with a group friends or even strangers. I do some PvP but I see the same sweaty spazzes in almost every match.
One thing I’ve ALWAYS appreciated about Patty, is that he’s SO humble. He speaks to and about these other known streamers/ players as if he’s not just as good as a lot of them. Because his channel is more help/ information based, it’s easy to develop the opinion that he’s not.. but if you watch his clips closely, it’s clear to see that in fact HE IS!
I'm definitely out here trying to find my people in pvp and pve but my play times are just so late and don't seem to mesh with a lot of people. Still out here doing what I can, always trying to get better.
If you make adept weapons obtainable for all players the player pool will increase. 7 successive wins lighthouse run. 15 or more wins with losses between grants a lighthouse run. It's frustrating for lesser skilled players to get 3-4 wins and then lose twice and have to start over. This also lowers stress level which equates to better overall performance. I really like the idea of artifice armor as rewards. Thanks for more really enjoyable and informative content. Always cool to get inside the mind of great players.
it's not just frustrating for lesser skilled players, it's also frustrating for skilled players who even play w/ premades. it's just a flawed (pun not intended) system. that is why trials cards are designed to mitigate the frustration with the system instead of them just reworking the system
@sonnyankau9239 even with the new card I wasn't able to get the adept weapon. Team balance was awful and the experience ended in burn out. I'm so tired of chronus and ximm cheaters they're in every match
I actually like your idea of having a lighthouse reward system for people that stick with it and get more wins even with losses, it would feel more like how even the worst raid teams I have been with still managed to finish the raid because they kept going even after hours on the same encounter.
This is good advice, and I don't know if you look at old comments, but here's mine as a guy that got into D1 because I just wanted to see as a a guy in his 40's if I still had it, I'm currently top 31% player: 1. Play 6v6 and rumble, don't get discouraged. 2. Focus on not dying first, the kills will come--the aim you learn in PVE does carry over to an extent--learn lanes where you will be sniped or where shotgunners hang out. 3. Loadouts matter. Find one that works for you. 4. I wish I remember which streamer said this but, learn if you are an inside out or an outside in player. That means are you a guy that is comfortable running into the fray with a shotgun and HC and existing with players all around you. I'm not I'm an outside in player, I like scouts, snipers and keeping distance between me and everyone. This works in most modes, you have to be really, really good to make it work in Trials. Also, neither is less aggressive then the other its just where you want to push at. 5. Aim at the neck, most of the time it will be a head shot.
Give us Crafted RedBorder version of the Seasonal Comp weapon at max Comp rank! Make it Crafting requirement = 1 Redborder, give it at 10k Comp points, Crafted Rose and Mercurial to experiment with rolls! Incentive created without changing balance!
Funny! The main argument from the upper echelon PVP players against SBMM when Bungie turned it on was, "We want to be able to play with fun, non-meta, weird loadouts" but all I see from upper echelon players in the casual playlists are meta loadouts-the kind of loadouts you see in Trials. That's SO much fun to play against in casual playlists. It looked like the players were having so much fun in that game at the 3:40 mark half the team quit. But let's not have SBMM. LOL!
Sbmm really shouldn't be in the game. I enjoy facing people better than me because they teach me all the nasty head glitches and peak spots in the game. Also, if there was sbmm you would be able to get past it if you're a stat farm rat. Take yourself and 2-5 other people with you into crucible with considerably lower stats, and the game would balance the "skill."
@@Seabreeze-wf8jd You learn that and more in UA-cam. You don't need to waste your time in a game getting stomped by ppl who need to have their ego stroked.
@@Seabreeze-wf8jd Plus SBMM isn't just players that are at or below your level. You'll still be going against players that are better then you. You just won't have to go against players who no-life the game and love stomping players extremely below their level.
I played with a lot of apex pros by benefit of me living in Vegas and one of the dudes being my next door neighbor. It’s crazy how fast looting rotations, processing information on if they are at a disadvantage, what weapons the other player is using. It’s eye opening when rolling around with a squad like that especially in a public lobby where normally I am getting contested but playing with pros you feel untouchable so you play more ballsy than normal
The one great thing about running bubble titan or well lock in trials is when the zone capture round comes up and you have your super that's basically a free round for your team
what made a big difference for me was swapping from Console to a high end PC. I was a mid player PVE and a bad PVP player. I felt instantly way more comfortable with Mouse and Keyboard. From that point on it was to find the right DPI settings on my Mouse but i was so much better to keep focused on my target. But the biggest difference was by feeling more comfortable i felt calm, on Controller i was always outside my comfort zone and felt stressed in PVP. From there i learned to adapt to situations and be more aware of my surroundings because i had the capacity to learn. So i think to learn the best thing is to find ways to feel comfortable and calm so you got the capacity to learn what you do wrong. And don't blame others or the game if you play bad, look what went wrong and learn from it, blaming other wont make you better at the game, just more angry. But i am not saying to get good buy a PC, totally not! I have played with people who are excellent on controller, this was just what made me improve by feeling more comfy personally.
Great video! Great guest and host, both of which are insightful, and for me that’s the best way I can resume this whole thing, a very insightful look into getting better at PvP, with different , but rational, points of views and opinions. Really hope the new changes coming to the Crucible, make enough people interested in improving their gameplay again so you can pivot back into making more of this content! P.S. that part about peripherals resonated a lot with me. I used to have a Razer Basilisk (basically a G502), which admittedly was very comfortable, but really heavy, and made the jump to a Deadadder V3 and it makes such a big difference in my gameplay, it just makes it easier for me to play and improve, since the mouse just does what you want it to
Loved the video! I am back from a 5 year break and have been loving PvP thus far. Got to plat so far and even went solo flawless in my 1st week trying 🙏 slowly getting it back lol
There is another big PvE weapon that's only available through playing PvP. Riptide with chill clip. Gamechanging for dealing with champs as a legendary weapon and easily accessible just by playing PvP at all.
I find this video very very good! Thank you. I will look forward to try this stuff out, and get better (maybe) haha… I find it very nice that you put so many deaths from him into the video, so it doesn’t look like he is immortal. Like some other UA-camrs
I have a whole playlist of videos like this if you want to see more, I used to record these often and kinda got away from it. But I'm hoping to start the series back up! ua-cam.com/play/PLPjk04f2UHom0h8TilnTl1MHrBRPxkpEJ.html
Tips: use situational awareness, use all over powered meta weapons like a crutch, do not have fun, only use hunter thread class, bubble class, nova bomb warlock.
The nice thing about airborne effectiveness is it balanced the field more between the classes, Hunter jump always had an advantage in the air, especially with Bows, 1 - gaining height much quicker, (Catapult is closest but still slower) 2 - holding bow drawn after jumping(2 & 3 should've been a part of Oathkeeper exotic perk) 3 - holding aim while wielding a bow, (other classes un-aim bows when activating jump) The only disadvantage Hunter jump has is a slightly longer time to aim non-bow weapons after jumping, but that's offset by not losing any upward momentum by aiming(Titan & Warlock is faster aim time, but disables jump, losing upward momentum) The only exceptions are, Titan: Lion Rampant, allows bow draw while jumping ONLY while hip-fire, aiming is still affected. Warlock: Heat Rises, the only thing better than Hunter jump, but it is arguably TOO strong, it's uptime in PvP just feels too oppressive, however, it's only on one sub-class, whereas Hunter jump is default for all sub-classes. You guys talking about no airborne effectiveness made me realize Destiny needs more verticality in the maps, we need more ledges we can fight people from, rather than trying to jump around emulating those ledges, or using stasis to make the ledges. (Started talking to someone while typing this sentence, it makes sense to my distracted brain but I have a feeling I didn't word it great)
1: learn from and pay attention to skilled players. It can be a shortcut to making good habits 2: Use a loadout and playstyle fit to your current skill level. Supporting your team doesn't just mean getting kills 3: Pace yourself with your teammates. Rushing in and dying alone is just as bad as staying in the Spawn not participating in fights 4: Don't be afraid to use anything that is available in the game. Adapt instead of complaining about strong abilities or gear. 5: Find people who want to win and play with them consistently. 6: 19:05 Tips on aiming and peripherals 7: Spend more time playing the game. Aim trainers can help some areas, but the best practice is the real thing. Applying game sense to your aim will help a lot. (they call it predictive aiming in this video) 8: 25:46 Movement and Positioning 9: 28:56 Trials decision making 10: 33:03 There is never one answer for every situation. Be decisive when making a play. 11 35:29 thoughts on the state of PvP in Destiny
It's absolutely true. You've chosen to put yourself in the position of NOT playing meta, and you've chosen to spend valuable brainpower to complain about their usage of the meta. To put it bluntly, your mentality is a waste of your time and your teammates' time. You can dislike it for sure, and they pointed out portions of the metagame they dislike, but they're also not blinded by their disdain for it.
I would say that instead of just watching top tier players, start by watching a top tier player that uses similar tactics and loadouts to what you already like using, you will see the differences in play more easily over trying to figure out what is skill and what is loadout/tactics, then, once you understand them and can implement what they do into your own play, branch out into other loadouts/tactics that other top tier players are using. As for how to grow PVP population and bring PVP and PVE players together more, I would make sure that the vast majority of the top tier meta weapons come from the opposing game type, so, the "Not Forgotten" type weapons would come from end game PVE like raids and dungeons, and vice versa, as this would encourage more average players to share their skills with each other rather than divide players between PVP and PVE. My reasoning for my previous idea is that if you give the most meta weapons to a lower skill player, they will generally do better against a wider range of opponents and enjoy themselves more, whereas a top tier player will still more often win against the average player with a meta weapon, it will still encourage more PVE focused players to try out PVP endgame when they get the weapons that are considered to be the top meta options.
The problem is that it has no competitor. There is no other game that is really remotely like it. If you like BRs, there are a ton. If you like COD, there's a new one every year. If you like CS, there's that and Valo. If you want CS, but with chars and destruction, there's R6. You like COD and destruction, there's BF. If you like hero shooters, there's TF2 and OW. If you like Halo, there is MCC and Infinite. If you like boomer shooters, there is Quake and some smaller indie stuff. If you like Destiny, you play destiny or just quit. There's nothing else with that kind of movement, ability sandbox, TTK or handcannons.
Moralities in pvp is something I dont struggle with but deal with it. I use a base/stock xbox controller and use off meta builds that put me at a disadvantage so that its more exciting to win, as well as improving mechanically, I don’t like cheese weapons or abilities because I feel like it puts a cap on your improvement potential rather that “stooping too low” and I also feel its dishonorable. I feel if people want to improve they should use off meta loadouts or unorthodox weapons or play-styles because it will help improve their gunskill and mechanical skill rather than relying on an ability to spam or crutch on; same goes for crutch weapons, examples I feel fit that term, would be osimancy gloves cold snap + jotunn, or wishender/le mon + oathkeepers, peregrine greaves. All of those I feel puts a cap on the potential to improve as they act as crutches. My best advice for improving in pvp, in: having awareness. Be aware of your ability cooldowns, teammates positions, radar pings, sounds such as jumps or movement, enemy’s use of special ammo. enemiy’s weaponry. What or when you or your enemies super is close to being full. And finally of them all do not hold down your sights or lane for extended period of times (10 or more seconds) because in those seconds you could be rotating to help a teammate, stop an enemy push or notice an enemy flanking but hard scoping with a scout at the back of the map and tunnel visioning could be detrimental to the game Edit: another advice is to avoid indecisiveness because that split between decision making is worse than the two options you’re split between. Either go all in or all out with an decision. From my experience being confident in either of the two nets the best results than half trusting a decision. An action is better than no action.
I definitely agree with the ability knowledge. There have been times where me and teammate pushed a bubbly on 4-4, suspended and then shoulder charged out of the bubble won us flawless for that week
This actually was one of your best interviews imo. So many content creators always suggest playing with better player as a means to get better but most “better” players aren’t interested in helping anyone get better. Some are, most aren’t. Diffizle sort of admitting that was a mad respect moment. Also when better players talking about movement and kind of leave it at that. Or just saying using the right jump. There is more to it then just that but everybody seems to nod their head and say yeah work on movement. Not hating on any players but not everyone wants to be a teacher and I get it. People want things…going flawless, reaching ascendent, etc and playing with weaker players than themselves can hinder that. That’s my D2 “community” pet peeve…”just play with better players” oh is that it? I’ll just knock on my neighbor door and we will team up 🤣🤣🤣
In my experience, I can understand where Fizz is coming from playing with better players and them normally not being interested in helping people improve. I personally played a lot and slowly improved my game sense and my gunplay and just overall knowledge of the game, then better players noticed me and we started playing together. Not saying for everyone it’s like that, but I think you have to want to improve and then naturally, you’ll attract the better players. Most of my friends I’ve made through pvp but not everybody’s experience in pvp is the same
@@DonRobertoDeMuerte for sure…I totally agree. I’ve done both play with better player and play with my friends that are new to pvp or just enjoy it very casually. My kind of “community” pet peeve is to just tell people just go find better players to play with like it’s super easy and those folks are just going on trees lol. Most really good players have people they already squad up with or don’t have time, patience etc to help weaker players. That’s with no hating on anyone because I totally get it. It’s right up there for me when people say just get a good team for trials. It’s like if you are average to below average good luck with that…everybody’s looking for someone better than they are to team up with. I think it’s a part of a larger theme in the community when it comes to SBMM, improving, AE, loot, getting better, good playlist population etc. like if the “weaker” player population how many want to actually improve(and will put in the time it takes..there are no shortcuts in my opinion) vs people that just really want to be carried or want an easier way to get access to specific loot. Like how big is that population and how big is the other population that just wants to stay where they are but wants loot and a curated experience
@@TheBigSleazy yah the community is so split when it comes to loot, especially in trials. At this point, i don't play for the loot, but rather just cause I enjoy trials. Comp is boring after hitting ascendant cause it takes 10 minutes to get a game, and if you're trio, good luck not matching cheaters. Trials can either be as casual or hardcore as the player makes it in my experience. You can go in trios and just expect harder games in general, or duo and solo queue where the majority of the pvp community seems to play. I do agree that alot of the more casual audience isn't interesting in pvp in general and is kind of forced to play cause there's a pve weapon locked behind it. It's a difficult thing to figure out from bungie cause trials is like a weird spot where it's a loot source, but considered more "prestigious" than comp, so better players overall care more about trials games more than comp. I don't really envy players trying to find better pvp players though cause it's difficult. Pvp, especially in D2 isn't for everybody, but at least for me, I think if you're looking to improve in pvp, it's abusing the meta like Fizz mentions or you just find your niche build that works out well in trials. I fall into the meta, but on checkmate weekend's been experimenting on different builds, but they'll always be a meta to fall back on.
Fizz actuality hit it right on the nail. Unfortunately Weapon Morality is gone in pvp, get good or get ran. I still us hand cannon shotty but all can’t , just conform if it doesn’t work for you anymore .
Yo NBA hmu ill give you a solid second that you can have a chance to win an trust that I'm not cheating an I take it as serious as it gets without being a assshole
I appreciate these videos greatly.. I've been watching for a few years (since Shadowkeep) and it's definitely helped me improve. My KDA has gone from 0.9 to 1.5+ since then
This video in a nutshell, “just play the game 5head” I understand that everything that is said had to be the broadest possible advice, that being said, nothing that is said is wrong, but a very important thing to remember for everyone out there that is trying to get better, be more critical of yourself than your teammates, because it is very easy to shift blame off of yourself and onto your teammates. Another thing is if you can record yourself you should, so you can look at it later and figure out what you can improve on. Remember when it comes to predicting people and how they will act, as you get higher and higher into the “ranking” system of any game it gets harder and harder to predict there actions, this is just a fact of any competitive anything, that isn’t to say that you shouldn’t have a game plan. I don’t comment on most videos I enjoy your content, Mr. Gaming, I just feel that there were just a few things that people should know.
I'm a hunter main, I used warlock for most of the guardian games, I wonder why 😅, I'm not really that good at the moment in crucible so I used a threading warlock build and I've been getting at least twice as many kills, good to experiment
Love this! Nice chill and open but real convo about the realities of past VS current PvP. I love what was said about trying to copy a top 1% playstyle thats not gonna work for you will set up for failure. Real talk 🎉
The tough thing for me is now that the meta has completely changed its almost a different game. Im no god, but i sit at 1.6-1.7kd and now i feel like a .9, and i dont even crutch special. I can hit some shots but teamshottint i just dont know how to counter
The part about peripherals is very true. A lot of people fall down the dunning kruger rabbit hole of seeing gear as "meaningless", just because they have never used anything but their 10 year old mousepad and the G502, which is by the way completely understandable. These people are probably not looking to actually get into the top ranks of their game of choice and only occasionally play PvP content. It is not the gear that is making you better, but the drive to become better. The very fact that you are willing to sink thousands of dollars on "better" peripherals, means that you really care about improving and are more likely to improve much faster.
The most important like takeaway here is to like use the word “like” at least like 4 or like 5 times in like every like sentence. Please like this video.
I'm a 1.4 KA/D. I've gone flawless three times; all as a solo. My last being a couple weeks back. I've got 1,000s of hours playing destiny (Not a brag. More of a confession.) and hundreds in Trials. That all said, every Flawless I've earned has been due to sheer, unadulterated determination and perseverance. Win one, then lose, win two then lose, win three then lose, win one, lose, win, lose, win, win, lose, lose, lose. It was a massive grind EVERY time. There are so many players out there, who are light years better than me, which is what makes going Flawless the proudest moment I've ever had playing D2, and that includes earning a guided Conqueror and soloing Pit of Heresy, Spire of the Watcher, and Grasp of Avarice, and way back, when I FINALLY earned Luna's Howl, thanks to an excellent team who was patient, kind and forgiving of my many PVP foibles. I share that to help explain where I'm coming from, and what I am as a player, when I say that every time Bungie makes it easier to go Flawless, I feel the less it means to those who make it. Especially those of us scrubs who just refuse to quit and glory in the grind. Peace to you all, my fellow guardians. See you at the Tower.
I’ll share how I got better. (for context, i was terrible.. less than 1.5 kd, armor stats never mattered to me) 1. I learned how to focus on armor stats that will benefit my favorite subclass. When I was able to get 100 res & 100 rec on my titan, i noticed a huge difference in gun fights. 2. Record your gameplay and watch it back. I play on xbox and theres a feature that allows you to record up to 45 seconds of your most recent gameplay. Whenever I’d die and didn’t understand how or why, i’d record it and review it later. “Where the enemy?”, “where was my team?”, “why wasn’t i with my team?”, “did i have the correct archetype of weapon?” etc. 3. Accept losses and don’t give up on your team.. but learn when to take breaks. I knew I was really bad, but I never allowed that to change my mindset. Even if my team was down by 20-40, I just kept trying. I’ll switch guns, change subclass, etc.. but I don’t quit or throw. I also made sure to take breaks in between back to back L’s. 4. Be honest with yourself and with LFG groups… and listen to other players who are better. Players are always willing to help as long as you listen to their gameplan & follow directions. Be open minded with your approach to the game
On "morality", I think Playing To Win by David Sirlin should be mandatory reading for people trying to compete and improve. A super important part is differentiating when you're playing for fun vs competing. Saint doesn't ask you whether you crutched the meta when you get to the lighthouse. Your Ascendant emblem doesn't come with an asterisk if you used Jotunn.
The morality point was also a big thing holding me back. I try to avoid that now. Not that it made a huge difference, I’m still not a great player, but it helps.
It’s baffling to me that these videos don’t do nearly as good view-wise. This is my preferred video format. It’s content like this that holds my attention, and leaves me wanting more
I sucks bungie can’t make other builds more viable. I want to be unique and fun. I’m just glad I’m able to get adept now without having to go flawless and worrying about sweating so much
"What helped you improve?" "Well when you get to the high end games surround yourself with good players." Sure thing and to get better at basketball I just need to go play with an NBA team.
It’s not the meta that’s an issue, it’s this meta along with the changes to the sandbox that exposed a lot of us. They clearly wanted to stress the skill gap and now some of us went from pretty average to completely useless in PvP. I understand just get headshots and memorize everyone’s builds, but in practice it has alienated what used to be average players.
At least for me I can't get good at PVP even though I've been trying for like two weekends because I just died too quickly and I've tried to ask for help but no one's wanted to teach me so I don't even know how to get better so now I'm watching videos hoping to get a little bit better
@PattycakesGaming solid upload. Great advice from Diffizzle as well. We have many passionate players are out here. No doubt myself included. Keep playing people! The game really does become more exciting when you have the patience to learn from your mistakes.
Problems with expedited experience from seeing highly skilled players is that it can’t happen if sbmm caps the better players from getting in your lobbies 🤷♂️ so that approach is mostly out the door if you don’t play trials… maybe comp if it’s been better fixed so that you are forced to work your way up a ladder of skill. I’m ascendant 1 but I don’t see how. Sure I have been gaming since early 2000’s but there are people that I know can’t make certain movements that make certain movements in console lobbies and I can’t out ttk them unless I use cheese because their headshot ratio is 90%+ feel me. Mine is around 60-77% on all weapons and I play LEGIT because I got an ego but man… I hate sbmm. Just try and slide or jump a corner you don’t already have first peek on in my lobbies, 😂 you better be lucky. I duck 75% of snipes after an hour of pvp… but even then. I don’t feel like I deserve the couple of ascendant emblems I own.
I am mostly a PvE player in D2 but I have gone flawless a couple few times. I would say what keeps me away from Trials specifically is the requirement of flawless and how rough the skill gap is. I get to win 6 out of 7, I have 0 mercies left and my opponent is then for the last match GernaderJake in a demon 3 stack. Which, is fine.... but the "flawless system" combined with that kind of matchmaking makes trials feel like a complete waste of time. Unlike in Apex Legends, or other games where, sure running into a demon squad once every few games isn't a huge deal. You're still processing in rank and having fun. Trials flawless requirement makes the game mode feel like a massive waste of time.
I love these videos. I appreciate the intel. I’ve followed you for about 3+ yrs. I still suck at sniping and I just can’t pick it up. Very frustrating because I feel the top tier guys are all good to phenomenal sniper. But these videos really do help people. I feel like I’ve hit a plateau with PvP. I feel I’ve gotten decent. Maybe even above avg some matches in 6’s and some solid trials matches. But I just don’t feel like I’ve gotten better this past year. It’s weird lol. I just just can’t get to that next level in PvP like many others who can carry people to the lighthouse. Trials can be so demorilizing
I have been playing Destiny since day 1 till now. I still view Trials and Crucible Comp for elitists only. Now that cheaters are in all PVP content, I try to avoid PVP like the plague. But Bungie likes to included in the season challenges, PVP content. Hence unable to complete most Season challenges.
What most people don’t understand is getting good at anything takes practice and you’re not going to be good at first. You have to put in the time and you’re going to get stomped in the beginning.
You’re right, however it’s going to be extra stressful when you are not good..your learning but your losing, probably hurting your team at the same time….all while being shit on by better players. My problem is knowing how/when to use supers/abilities especially in trials…I’m solo, cuz I’m not good and not communicating with others so that makes it hard to learn. Also, 6v6 is like a 1..comp is like a 3 but Trials feels like a 15. Almost impossible to practice for trials without just playing. lol, I just attach to one players hip and help team shoot and try not to die😅.
@@derek3154 Something to keep in mind: You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. If you have an ability, and even have the slightest urge to throw it? Worst-case scenario? You'll have another one in a minute or so. Not a huge deal. And if you're still struggling, switch to a subclass/grenade/melee with lower cooldowns so you get more of them.
One word about beating the meta morality: just remember that we are guardians, fighting for the light but, to protect it, we learned to use darkness. Embrace the meta; consume it.
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Great video loved it
I clicked on this video as soon as I saw it. There's been such a general drought of pvp improvement/strategy/technique content lately. So excited to see this. Also, you're a great interviewer
I'm just hoping that the incoming reset in PvP isn't too little too late. PvP has deserved so much better for so long.
Thanks! Man I miss making PvP improvement content so much. Thats the whole reason I started making UA-cam videos in the first place. It’s just been so hard to get views on that kind of content over the past few years that most of us have been forced to pivot away from it to stay afloat financially. I really hope the new focus they seem to be putting on PvP brings enough interest that we can afford to make more content like this regularly
@@PattycakesGaming totally. I used to hoover up this sort of content. I feel the population being so miniscule and the meta being ability and special heavy, with far too many options to be successful in Crucible that don't revolve around gunplay, there's such little interest in learning the nuances that the game offers and excels in offering.
@@PattycakesGaming I completely understand the situation. I'm a professional musician and there are always similar decisions to be made when choosing music to program, record, etc. It's your profession and knowing what works and what doesn't is part of it. I'll never blame you for times you don't put out this kind of content, but I'll ALWAYS try to show thanks and appreciation when you do :)
@@rock4ever812 I just checked out a few videos, you're very talented! I've been a guitarist as well for 25 years or so just as a hobby
playing with intention is really important. I feel like its something newer players dont get specially on trials. the time it takes to ress, holding a lane with ghosts, learning to play more safe to wait on a pick, small decisions that make the whole of a good partner on matchmaking is always if they're paying attention to the limited decisions the enemies can make against them while they hold these places.
“Just staying alive and being a threat” speaks volumes. That’s so important and such a HUGE tip for real.
I’m pants at PvP, so this is my approach - I just try to keep a positive KA/D. My patch of red on a radar is as threatening as anyone else’s while I’m still alive (well, until they see the gamertag, anyway)… 😏
@@Adamsdown_Boy lmao I like that! What’s the gamer tag though? 😂
that sentence means nothing to someone who actually needs advice
@@sonnyankau9239 why doesn’t it? Basically play your life but help teammates secure kills.
@@JinYasha someone that barely knows how to play the game doesn't know how to "be a threat." they have no understanding of the concept of creating pressure. they don't know how to rotate around the map. they can barely read the radar. "play your life" means nothing as well. t's advice for people who don't need it.
I think saying "trying to play like sweats sets yourself up for frustration" and "try to learn from how sweats play" illustrates the philosophical frustrations of pvp matchmaking.
And I'm not mad at him for saying it that way, i think it encapsulates the dichotomy of destiny pvp at this stage really well. That is why the cbmm / sbmm argument is eternal.
I think he's talking about two different things but didn't properly clarify, watching experienced players has helped my game sense and map awareness a lot, not because I'm trying to mimic the way they move or aim but because I'm paying attention to where in the map they go, little ledges and "cheese spots" that most players don't know exist are very helpful for catching people off guard. The knowledge they can give you is the valuable thing, some of the commentary that players like cammycakes can also help teach game sense to a degree.
Difizzle has a entire career that he's got to focus on an his twitch channel is popping an he's earned the right to have a hint of elitism an surely be short on time an fks to give but I will always tell myq experience an my personal struggle to go flawless an get a new igneous when it was brought back an obviously that coincided with the craftening and I refused to give up but I logged 12 hrs in 2 days an 16 the next 2 for Jack shite my frustration level had reached a point that someone was going to get some money to make some magic happen an I was spending hour after hour on twitch watching fizz do legend things and I was failing terribly with that as well an I was new to twitch and I was like ef it a i offered him 500 dollars bro for a Carry an I was actually being a terrible memeber when i implicated him in a crime that he would have been in major shit for his understanding and his willingness to explain to me what I did wrong an why an he would not accept my money even on the low heres the moment that he showed his true character and he spent atleast an hour while he was trying to carry a player that made me feel like panduh but I am not fabricating this story but I have been to the lighthouse 16 times since then all solo and the situations an he has totally changed my game and I know it's trash compared to others but I'm on a 6 for 6 streak and I always pay homage to the person who literally gave me time a person who was only a me ever for 6 months an i didn't jump through hoops and he has the ability to be real direct an bro I can't thank him enough but I will always post this
@@randymakin477dude use punctuation. That was a headache to read.
@nitsuA_LH bro my bad I ramble sometimes
Artifice armor n trials would be dope. Flawless reward or make a bounty for 30 matches or something for less skilled players
I love this idea. Would bring PvP and PvE players together and the playlist population wouldn’t be so low at times.
They listened!!!
@@Nyexea Was just thinking about this comment! That’s awesome.
Diffizzle in this video sounded close to Charlie when he speaks about esports made me think it was him for a good second honestly 😂
Fr. I literally thought I was being fooled lol.
A big tip for people who wanna improve - spend more time in rumble. It’ll teach you to rely on teammates cover less and focus on your own positioning, aim and decisions more. Also you can see where you’re lacking gameplay/game sense wise and adjust accordingly. It helped me a lot and I hope it helps you!
Even as someone who peaked 9970 glory this season, I never thought of this. Definitely gonna try it out and see if it helps me
One of my favorite things about my times spent trying to get good at fighting games is the ability to try to predict habits of players on a micro and macro-game scale. It translates in FPS games pretty well. Knowing someone's pace and aggression is a pretty important part of PvP games. It's almost like getting to know a person in a sense. The ability to predict these things comes from a foundation of the knowledge of the game. There's levels!
Was just breaking down exactly this to someone yesterday about how within the first round of comp or trials you need to feel out and get a rating in your head of their aggro to passivity and if they are a crutch first or primary player. Crutch first people will play too hard off a fusion as their main, or a peregrine titan trying to hard to use it or that hunter sliding into your lane in reality is dodging right the heck backwards with a decoy threading spam being his real opener. Once you have those in mind you can really keep them at bay or play advantageously against their crutch.
As someone who is one of the few lightweight bow mains it really is sad to see so many people at this level ximming or doing illegitimate stuff, then turn around and be mad at me for using my bow.
It takes balls to play a bow main in this current meta especially after recent nerfs . Been trying to learn Ticcus myself I’m at the point where I relish the bow hate and the teabags I get
Haven’t watched the vid yet but willing to bet that one of fizz’s tips is to crutch whatever the hard meta is no matter what
Yea meta is annoying I wouldn’t allow myself too, but I got a dynamic sway target lock summoner and I love using it I feel so dirty tho
47:01 I agree completely, and I think that a lot of the recent changes work against this idea. Snowballing special ammo, primary meta, less body shot damage. Bungo made the crucible LESS rewarding for players with lower skill and experience, which is NOT what I wanted from a game that is already notoriously frustrating and sweaty in the eyes of new and casual guardians
The problem is back in the day when comp was good there was something to grind for. And it was challenging if you were an average player even getting to Luna's Howel was hard but it felt great when you finally achieved it.
The only one that didn't feel great was mountaintop because it took so damn long at least for anyone who did it the legit way.
And those weapons were amazing both in PVP and PVE they were the best weapons so the player base in terms of people who wanted the weapons was so much larger and they just haven't been able to duplicate that.
8:10 applies to so many games, made me think about LoL for a second. The threat of an ability is often times more impactful than using the ability because it allows you to be immediately punished if you missplay, or just the difference it makes when one person dies.
I understand the "morality" of meta. The real problem for me is that everytime something is meta, it's something I find boring to use. And I don't want to play the meta since it's just a game to have fun.
The problem with any multiplayer game is regardless of the developers' intent, players will find a way to suck the fun out of it in favor of min/maxing and cooming all over their spreadsheets.
It's even more so prevalent now when there's a million UA-cam videos out there, "THE MOST BROKEN OP PVP BUILD YOU SHOULD BE USING" or "THIS WEAPON IS A MUST IN TRIALS", "IF YOU'RE NOT USING THIS LOADOUT IN PVP, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG."
It's been this way since the dawn of the MMO. This is why I generally prefer to do PvE content with a group friends or even strangers. I do some PvP but I see the same sweaty spazzes in almost every match.
One thing I’ve ALWAYS appreciated about Patty, is that he’s SO humble. He speaks to and about these other known streamers/ players as if he’s not just as good as a lot of them. Because his channel is more help/ information based, it’s easy to develop the opinion that he’s not.. but if you watch his clips closely, it’s clear to see that in fact HE IS!
I'm definitely out here trying to find my people in pvp and pve but my play times are just so late and don't seem to mesh with a lot of people. Still out here doing what I can, always trying to get better.
If you make adept weapons obtainable for all players the player pool will increase. 7 successive wins lighthouse run. 15 or more wins with losses between grants a lighthouse run. It's frustrating for lesser skilled players to get 3-4 wins and then lose twice and have to start over. This also lowers stress level which equates to better overall performance. I really like the idea of artifice armor as rewards. Thanks for more really enjoyable and informative content. Always cool to get inside the mind of great players.
it's not just frustrating for lesser skilled players, it's also frustrating for skilled players who even play w/ premades. it's just a flawed (pun not intended) system. that is why trials cards are designed to mitigate the frustration with the system instead of them just reworking the system
@sonnyankau9239 even with the new card I wasn't able to get the adept weapon. Team balance was awful and the experience ended in burn out. I'm so tired of chronus and ximm cheaters they're in every match
@@captstaats4036 agreed
Yeah... the new trials system they have now is certified dog****. Bring back matching teams on the same wins as you.
I actually like your idea of having a lighthouse reward system for people that stick with it and get more wins even with losses, it would feel more like how even the worst raid teams I have been with still managed to finish the raid because they kept going even after hours on the same encounter.
This is good advice, and I don't know if you look at old comments, but here's mine as a guy that got into D1 because I just wanted to see as a a guy in his 40's if I still had it, I'm currently top 31% player: 1. Play 6v6 and rumble, don't get discouraged. 2. Focus on not dying first, the kills will come--the aim you learn in PVE does carry over to an extent--learn lanes where you will be sniped or where shotgunners hang out. 3. Loadouts matter. Find one that works for you. 4. I wish I remember which streamer said this but, learn if you are an inside out or an outside in player. That means are you a guy that is comfortable running into the fray with a shotgun and HC and existing with players all around you. I'm not I'm an outside in player, I like scouts, snipers and keeping distance between me and everyone. This works in most modes, you have to be really, really good to make it work in Trials. Also, neither is less aggressive then the other its just where you want to push at. 5. Aim at the neck, most of the time it will be a head shot.
Give us Crafted RedBorder version of the Seasonal Comp weapon at max Comp rank!
Make it Crafting requirement = 1 Redborder, give it at 10k Comp points, Crafted Rose and Mercurial to experiment with rolls!
Incentive created without changing balance!
Funny! The main argument from the upper echelon PVP players against SBMM when Bungie turned it on was, "We want to be able to play with fun, non-meta, weird loadouts" but all I see from upper echelon players in the casual playlists are meta loadouts-the kind of loadouts you see in Trials. That's SO much fun to play against in casual playlists. It looked like the players were having so much fun in that game at the 3:40 mark half the team quit. But let's not have SBMM. LOL!
Sbmm really shouldn't be in the game. I enjoy facing people better than me because they teach me all the nasty head glitches and peak spots in the game. Also, if there was sbmm you would be able to get past it if you're a stat farm rat. Take yourself and 2-5 other people with you into crucible with considerably lower stats, and the game would balance the "skill."
@@Seabreeze-wf8jd You learn that and more in UA-cam. You don't need to waste your time in a game getting stomped by ppl who need to have their ego stroked.
@@Seabreeze-wf8jd Plus SBMM isn't just players that are at or below your level. You'll still be going against players that are better then you. You just won't have to go against players who no-life the game and love stomping players extremely below their level.
Really embarrassing comment
@@Saffimaru 😘
I played with a lot of apex pros by benefit of me living in Vegas and one of the dudes being my next door neighbor. It’s crazy how fast looting rotations, processing information on if they are at a disadvantage, what weapons the other player is using. It’s eye opening when rolling around with a squad like that especially in a public lobby where normally I am getting contested but playing with pros you feel untouchable so you play more ballsy than normal
The one great thing about running bubble titan or well lock in trials is when the zone capture round comes up and you have your super that's basically a free round for your team
what made a big difference for me was swapping from Console to a high end PC. I was a mid player PVE and a bad PVP player. I felt instantly way more comfortable with Mouse and Keyboard. From that point on it was to find the right DPI settings on my Mouse but i was so much better to keep focused on my target. But the biggest difference was by feeling more comfortable i felt calm, on Controller i was always outside my comfort zone and felt stressed in PVP. From there i learned to adapt to situations and be more aware of my surroundings because i had the capacity to learn. So i think to learn the best thing is to find ways to feel comfortable and calm so you got the capacity to learn what you do wrong. And don't blame others or the game if you play bad, look what went wrong and learn from it, blaming other wont make you better at the game, just more angry. But i am not saying to get good buy a PC, totally not! I have played with people who are excellent on controller, this was just what made me improve by feeling more comfy personally.
100%, using less brainpower on mechanics leads to better decisions making and leads to entering a flow state.
I made the exact switch from the g502 to the model o- and it’s made a huge difference
I like how you both tackled perspectives for both new and experienced players and ways to improve. Really solid points!
Def Progress over Perfection.
Great video! Great guest and host, both of which are insightful, and for me that’s the best way I can resume this whole thing, a very insightful look into getting better at PvP, with different , but rational, points of views and opinions. Really hope the new changes coming to the Crucible, make enough people interested in improving their gameplay again so you can pivot back into making more of this content!
P.S. that part about peripherals resonated a lot with me. I used to have a Razer Basilisk (basically a G502), which admittedly was very comfortable, but really heavy, and made the jump to a Deadadder V3 and it makes such a big difference in my gameplay, it just makes it easier for me to play and improve, since the mouse just does what you want it to
True. I used to stay away from the meta but I try it out to understand it. I don't always find the counter though 😅
Loved the video! I am back from a 5 year break and have been loving PvP thus far. Got to plat so far and even went solo flawless in my 1st week trying 🙏 slowly getting it back lol
Awesome!
id love to see mouse settings, the realll reall setups and little adjustments they use. full transparency on bindings, literally the works.
There is another big PvE weapon that's only available through playing PvP. Riptide with chill clip. Gamechanging for dealing with champs as a legendary weapon and easily accessible just by playing PvP at all.
I'm curious: Does anyone know why he blocks the three players at 9:15?
Thinking the same
Probably cheating
I find this video very very good! Thank you. I will look forward to try this stuff out, and get better (maybe) haha… I find it very nice that you put so many deaths from him into the video, so it doesn’t look like he is immortal. Like some other UA-camrs
This is awesome. We need more content like this for Destiny 2
I have a whole playlist of videos like this if you want to see more, I used to record these often and kinda got away from it. But I'm hoping to start the series back up! ua-cam.com/play/PLPjk04f2UHom0h8TilnTl1MHrBRPxkpEJ.html
Always a great time, Patty. Looking forward to more of these again.
Tips: use situational awareness, use all over powered meta weapons like a crutch, do not have fun, only use hunter thread class, bubble class, nova bomb warlock.
Such a great interview!
The nice thing about airborne effectiveness is it balanced the field more between the classes,
Hunter jump always had an advantage in the air, especially with Bows,
1 - gaining height much quicker, (Catapult is closest but still slower)
2 - holding bow drawn after jumping(2 & 3 should've been a part of Oathkeeper exotic perk)
3 - holding aim while wielding a bow, (other classes un-aim bows when activating jump)
The only disadvantage Hunter jump has is a slightly longer time to aim non-bow weapons after jumping, but that's offset by not losing any upward momentum by aiming(Titan & Warlock is faster aim time, but disables jump, losing upward momentum)
The only exceptions are,
Titan: Lion Rampant, allows bow draw while jumping ONLY while hip-fire, aiming is still affected.
Warlock: Heat Rises, the only thing better than Hunter jump, but it is arguably TOO strong, it's uptime in PvP just feels too oppressive, however, it's only on one sub-class, whereas Hunter jump is default for all sub-classes.
You guys talking about no airborne effectiveness made me realize Destiny needs more verticality in the maps, we need more ledges we can fight people from, rather than trying to jump around emulating those ledges, or using stasis to make the ledges. (Started talking to someone while typing this sentence, it makes sense to my distracted brain but I have a feeling I didn't word it great)
Good stuff, boss. Just what I was looking for today
1: learn from and pay attention to skilled players. It can be a shortcut to making good habits
2: Use a loadout and playstyle fit to your current skill level. Supporting your team doesn't just mean getting kills
3: Pace yourself with your teammates. Rushing in and dying alone is just as bad as staying in the Spawn not participating in fights
4: Don't be afraid to use anything that is available in the game. Adapt instead of complaining about strong abilities or gear.
5: Find people who want to win and play with them consistently.
6: 19:05 Tips on aiming and peripherals
7: Spend more time playing the game. Aim trainers can help some areas, but the best practice is the real thing. Applying game sense to your aim will help a lot. (they call it predictive aiming in this video)
8: 25:46 Movement and Positioning
9: 28:56 Trials decision making
10: 33:03 There is never one answer for every situation. Be decisive when making a play.
11 35:29 thoughts on the state of PvP in Destiny
10:52 such a goofy take
"Don't complain about meta slaves unless you're willing to be a meta slave as well"
It's absolutely true. You've chosen to put yourself in the position of NOT playing meta, and you've chosen to spend valuable brainpower to complain about their usage of the meta. To put it bluntly, your mentality is a waste of your time and your teammates' time.
You can dislike it for sure, and they pointed out portions of the metagame they dislike, but they're also not blinded by their disdain for it.
I would say that instead of just watching top tier players, start by watching a top tier player that uses similar tactics and loadouts to what you already like using, you will see the differences in play more easily over trying to figure out what is skill and what is loadout/tactics, then, once you understand them and can implement what they do into your own play, branch out into other loadouts/tactics that other top tier players are using. As for how to grow PVP population and bring PVP and PVE players together more, I would make sure that the vast majority of the top tier meta weapons come from the opposing game type, so, the "Not Forgotten" type weapons would come from end game PVE like raids and dungeons, and vice versa, as this would encourage more average players to share their skills with each other rather than divide players between PVP and PVE. My reasoning for my previous idea is that if you give the most meta weapons to a lower skill player, they will generally do better against a wider range of opponents and enjoy themselves more, whereas a top tier player will still more often win against the average player with a meta weapon, it will still encourage more PVE focused players to try out PVP endgame when they get the weapons that are considered to be the top meta options.
He should put his talent into a game that can give more back to him.
D2 pvp is the last thing you want to excel at.. lol
The problem is that it has no competitor. There is no other game that is really remotely like it. If you like BRs, there are a ton. If you like COD, there's a new one every year. If you like CS, there's that and Valo. If you want CS, but with chars and destruction, there's R6. You like COD and destruction, there's BF. If you like hero shooters, there's TF2 and OW. If you like Halo, there is MCC and Infinite. If you like boomer shooters, there is Quake and some smaller indie stuff. If you like Destiny, you play destiny or just quit. There's nothing else with that kind of movement, ability sandbox, TTK or handcannons.
Moralities in pvp is something I dont struggle with but deal with it. I use a base/stock xbox controller and use off meta builds that put me at a disadvantage so that its more exciting to win, as well as improving mechanically, I don’t like cheese weapons or abilities because I feel like it puts a cap on your improvement potential rather that “stooping too low” and I also feel its dishonorable. I feel if people want to improve they should use off meta loadouts or unorthodox weapons or play-styles because it will help improve their gunskill and mechanical skill rather than relying on an ability to spam or crutch on; same goes for crutch weapons, examples I feel fit that term, would be osimancy gloves cold snap + jotunn, or wishender/le mon + oathkeepers, peregrine greaves. All of those I feel puts a cap on the potential to improve as they act as crutches.
My best advice for improving in pvp, in: having awareness. Be aware of your ability cooldowns, teammates positions, radar pings, sounds such as jumps or movement, enemy’s use of special ammo. enemiy’s weaponry. What or when you or your enemies super is close to being full. And finally of them all do not hold down your sights or lane for extended period of times (10 or more seconds) because in those seconds you could be rotating to help a teammate, stop an enemy push or notice an enemy flanking but hard scoping with a scout at the back of the map and tunnel visioning could be detrimental to the game
Edit: another advice is to avoid indecisiveness because that split between decision making is worse than the two options you’re split between. Either go all in or all out with an decision. From my experience being confident in either of the two nets the best results than half trusting a decision. An action is better than no action.
I definitely agree with the ability knowledge. There have been times where me and teammate pushed a bubbly on 4-4, suspended and then shoulder charged out of the bubble won us flawless for that week
Fiz's first tip is learn the game 😂 overall helpful tips but that first one cracked me up. Good vid love these ones ❤
This actually was one of your best interviews imo. So many content creators always suggest playing with better player as a means to get better but most “better” players aren’t interested in helping anyone get better. Some are, most aren’t. Diffizle sort of admitting that was a mad respect moment.
Also when better players talking about movement and kind of leave it at that. Or just saying using the right jump. There is more to it then just that but everybody seems to nod their head and say yeah work on movement.
Not hating on any players but not everyone wants to be a teacher and I get it. People want things…going flawless, reaching ascendent, etc and playing with weaker players than themselves can hinder that. That’s my D2 “community” pet peeve…”just play with better players” oh is that it? I’ll just knock on my neighbor door and we will team up 🤣🤣🤣
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@PattycakesGaming keep ‘em coming
In my experience, I can understand where Fizz is coming from playing with better players and them normally not being interested in helping people improve. I personally played a lot and slowly improved my game sense and my gunplay and just overall knowledge of the game, then better players noticed me and we started playing together. Not saying for everyone it’s like that, but I think you have to want to improve and then naturally, you’ll attract the better players. Most of my friends I’ve made through pvp but not everybody’s experience in pvp is the same
@@DonRobertoDeMuerte for sure…I totally agree. I’ve done both play with better player and play with my friends that are new to pvp or just enjoy it very casually.
My kind of “community” pet peeve is to just tell people just go find better players to play with like it’s super easy and those folks are just going on trees lol. Most really good players have people they already squad up with or don’t have time, patience etc to help weaker players. That’s with no hating on anyone because I totally get it. It’s right up there for me when people say just get a good team for trials. It’s like if you are average to below average good luck with that…everybody’s looking for someone better than they are to team up with.
I think it’s a part of a larger theme in the community when it comes to SBMM, improving, AE, loot, getting better, good playlist population etc. like if the “weaker” player population how many want to actually improve(and will put in the time it takes..there are no shortcuts in my opinion) vs people that just really want to be carried or want an easier way to get access to specific loot. Like how big is that population and how big is the other population that just wants to stay where they are but wants loot and a curated experience
@@TheBigSleazy yah the community is so split when it comes to loot, especially in trials. At this point, i don't play for the loot, but rather just cause I enjoy trials. Comp is boring after hitting ascendant cause it takes 10 minutes to get a game, and if you're trio, good luck not matching cheaters. Trials can either be as casual or hardcore as the player makes it in my experience. You can go in trios and just expect harder games in general, or duo and solo queue where the majority of the pvp community seems to play.
I do agree that alot of the more casual audience isn't interesting in pvp in general and is kind of forced to play cause there's a pve weapon locked behind it. It's a difficult thing to figure out from bungie cause trials is like a weird spot where it's a loot source, but considered more "prestigious" than comp, so better players overall care more about trials games more than comp. I don't really envy players trying to find better pvp players though cause it's difficult.
Pvp, especially in D2 isn't for everybody, but at least for me, I think if you're looking to improve in pvp, it's abusing the meta like Fizz mentions or you just find your niche build that works out well in trials. I fall into the meta, but on checkmate weekend's been experimenting on different builds, but they'll always be a meta to fall back on.
Fizz actuality hit it right on the nail. Unfortunately Weapon Morality is gone in pvp, get good or get ran.
I still us hand cannon shotty but all can’t , just conform if it doesn’t work for you anymore .
It’s been real tough trying to find good pvp players to play with. I feel like a lot of people already have set groups.
Yo NBA hmu ill give you a solid second that you can have a chance to win an trust that I'm not cheating an I take it as serious as it gets without being a assshole
@@randymakin477 what’s your bungie id
I appreciate these videos greatly.. I've been watching for a few years (since Shadowkeep) and it's definitely helped me improve. My KDA has gone from 0.9 to 1.5+ since then
Awesome! Great improvement :)
This video in a nutshell, “just play the game 5head”
I understand that everything that is said had to be the broadest possible advice, that being said, nothing that is said is wrong, but a very important thing to remember for everyone out there that is trying to get better, be more critical of yourself than your teammates, because it is very easy to shift blame off of yourself and onto your teammates.
Another thing is if you can record yourself you should, so you can look at it later and figure out what you can improve on.
Remember when it comes to predicting people and how they will act, as you get higher and higher into the “ranking” system of any game it gets harder and harder to predict there actions, this is just a fact of any competitive anything, that isn’t to say that you shouldn’t have a game plan.
I don’t comment on most videos I enjoy your content, Mr. Gaming, I just feel that there were just a few things that people should know.
Hey everyone... We all know these videos are great so for once actually hit the like button so he makes more of them lol
Damn Patty, I missed these videos! Diffizzle is the man I'm glad to hear from him
I can’t even try any of your strats - as soon as I spawn I’m dead. 😂😂😂
I'm a hunter main, I used warlock for most of the guardian games, I wonder why 😅, I'm not really that good at the moment in crucible so I used a threading warlock build and I've been getting at least twice as many kills, good to experiment
Great video.
Fun drinking game, take a drink every time someone says (like)😂
For your liver's sake, don't watch American content.
YAH! You'd be passed out in LIKE ...two minutes.
Your liver would jump out of your body, and put itself in a blender.
Wish i wouldnt of saw this comment. Didnt realize how excessive it is until i did. Now im overwhelmed by the amount of “likes” in this video 😂
Love this! Nice chill and open but real convo about the realities of past VS current PvP. I love what was said about trying to copy a top 1% playstyle thats not gonna work for you will set up for failure. Real talk 🎉
9:35 This is me 100%. I refuse to use easy use or "meta" builds and weapons. Wanting to be good with the things I feel are challenging.
The tough thing for me is now that the meta has completely changed its almost a different game. Im no god, but i sit at 1.6-1.7kd and now i feel like a .9, and i dont even crutch special. I can hit some shots but teamshottint i just dont know how to counter
Well, I'm doing one thing right. I'm definitely playing with people who are better than me.
The part about peripherals is very true. A lot of people fall down the dunning kruger rabbit hole of seeing gear as "meaningless", just because they have never used anything but their 10 year old mousepad and the G502, which is by the way completely understandable. These people are probably not looking to actually get into the top ranks of their game of choice and only occasionally play PvP content.
It is not the gear that is making you better, but the drive to become better. The very fact that you are willing to sink thousands of dollars on "better" peripherals, means that you really care about improving and are more likely to improve much faster.
The most important like takeaway here is to like use the word “like” at least like 4 or like 5 times in like every like sentence. Please like this video.
what im hearing from Fizz is if i suck just hang back and not die
listening to "Send an Alloy" in May2024 is hilarious 😁
I'm a 1.4 KA/D. I've gone flawless three times; all as a solo. My last being a couple weeks back. I've got 1,000s of hours playing destiny (Not a brag. More of a confession.) and hundreds in Trials. That all said, every Flawless I've earned has been due to sheer, unadulterated determination and perseverance. Win one, then lose, win two then lose, win three then lose, win one, lose, win, lose, win, win, lose, lose, lose. It was a massive grind EVERY time. There are so many players out there, who are light years better than me, which is what makes going Flawless the proudest moment I've ever had playing D2, and that includes earning a guided Conqueror and soloing Pit of Heresy, Spire of the Watcher, and Grasp of Avarice, and way back, when I FINALLY earned Luna's Howl, thanks to an excellent team who was patient, kind and forgiving of my many PVP foibles. I share that to help explain where I'm coming from, and what I am as a player, when I say that every time Bungie makes it easier to go Flawless, I feel the less it means to those who make it. Especially those of us scrubs who just refuse to quit and glory in the grind. Peace to you all, my fellow guardians. See you at the Tower.
I’ll share how I got better. (for context, i was terrible.. less than 1.5 kd, armor stats never mattered to me)
1. I learned how to focus on armor stats that will benefit my favorite subclass. When I was able to get 100 res & 100 rec on my titan, i noticed a huge difference in gun fights.
2. Record your gameplay and watch it back.
I play on xbox and theres a feature that allows you to record up to 45 seconds of your most recent gameplay.
Whenever I’d die and didn’t understand how or why, i’d record it and review it later.
“Where the enemy?”, “where was my team?”, “why wasn’t i with my team?”, “did i have the correct archetype of weapon?” etc.
3. Accept losses and don’t give up on your team.. but learn when to take breaks.
I knew I was really bad, but I never allowed that to change my mindset. Even if my team was down by 20-40, I just kept trying. I’ll switch guns, change subclass, etc.. but I don’t quit or throw.
I also made sure to take breaks in between back to back L’s.
4. Be honest with yourself and with LFG groups… and listen to other players who are better.
Players are always willing to help as long as you listen to their gameplan & follow directions. Be open minded with your approach to the game
On "morality", I think Playing To Win by David Sirlin should be mandatory reading for people trying to compete and improve.
A super important part is differentiating when you're playing for fun vs competing. Saint doesn't ask you whether you crutched the meta when you get to the lighthouse. Your Ascendant emblem doesn't come with an asterisk if you used Jotunn.
The morality point was also a big thing holding me back. I try to avoid that now. Not that it made a huge difference, I’m still not a great player, but it helps.
I love these hour long conversations with other content creators. ❤
I have more coming!
The watching a good player video is a very good tip l,and also use weapons that you're comfortable with is also a good one.
wait so he diddnt just say get good bot . I thought thats what all decent players said to ppl asking lol
Great timing! Can’t wait to dig in!!
Really good point about morality, but I’m never gonna use a bow
It’s baffling to me that these videos don’t do nearly as good view-wise. This is my preferred video format. It’s content like this that holds my attention, and leaves me wanting more
You could've asked anyone that question. 1) always teamshoot 2) always run hard meta 3) use every cheese imaginable
Team shooting comes natural. Only not natural if passive player are can’t make a decision.
Always running hard meta won’t guarantee the win. Best for understand the meta.learn how counter and use what’s effectively on the map.
You can all cheese and still not wins at moment it’s skill issue. Something player needs learn from his mistakes.
9:07 This is me half the time. I don't really snag kills myself when with better players, but I either get the assist or apply pressure
One problem i have is that i cant land shots with hand cannons but hand cannons are the most meta thing ever so i dunno what to do
How was I not subscribed? Weird but subbed now Cakes! Great interview
I sucks bungie can’t make other builds more viable. I want to be unique and fun. I’m just glad I’m able to get adept now without having to go flawless and worrying about sweating so much
"What helped you improve?"
"Well when you get to the high end games surround yourself with good players."
Sure thing and to get better at basketball I just need to go play with an NBA team.
Agree with everything other than shaming bow users. They deserve it.
It’s not the meta that’s an issue, it’s this meta along with the changes to the sandbox that exposed a lot of us. They clearly wanted to stress the skill gap and now some of us went from pretty average to completely useless in PvP. I understand just get headshots and memorize everyone’s builds, but in practice it has alienated what used to be average players.
At least for me I can't get good at PVP even though I've been trying for like two weekends because I just died too quickly and I've tried to ask for help but no one's wanted to teach me so I don't even know how to get better so now I'm watching videos hoping to get a little bit better
Thank you diffizle for not helping me at all
Fizz is a great player but my god is he a terrible speaker😂
@PattycakesGaming solid upload. Great advice from Diffizzle as well. We have many passionate players are out here. No doubt myself included. Keep playing people! The game really does become more exciting when you have the patience to learn from your mistakes.
The word like is said 214 times in this video
Great Interview!!!!
Problems with expedited experience from seeing highly skilled players is that it can’t happen if sbmm caps the better players from getting in your lobbies 🤷♂️ so that approach is mostly out the door if you don’t play trials… maybe comp if it’s been better fixed so that you are forced to work your way up a ladder of skill. I’m ascendant 1 but I don’t see how. Sure I have been gaming since early 2000’s but there are people that I know can’t make certain movements that make certain movements in console lobbies and I can’t out ttk them unless I use cheese because their headshot ratio is 90%+ feel me. Mine is around 60-77% on all weapons and I play LEGIT because I got an ego but man… I hate sbmm. Just try and slide or jump a corner you don’t already have first peek on in my lobbies, 😂 you better be lucky. I duck 75% of snipes after an hour of pvp… but even then. I don’t feel like I deserve the couple of ascendant emblems I own.
I am mostly a PvE player in D2 but I have gone flawless a couple few times. I would say what keeps me away from Trials specifically is the requirement of flawless and how rough the skill gap is. I get to win 6 out of 7, I have 0 mercies left and my opponent is then for the last match GernaderJake in a demon 3 stack.
Which, is fine.... but the "flawless system" combined with that kind of matchmaking makes trials feel like a complete waste of time. Unlike in Apex Legends, or other games where, sure running into a demon squad once every few games isn't a huge deal. You're still processing in rank and having fun.
Trials flawless requirement makes the game mode feel like a massive waste of time.
These are my favorite videos of yours. 👍🔥
I love these videos. I appreciate the intel. I’ve followed you for about 3+ yrs. I still suck at sniping and I just can’t pick it up. Very frustrating because I feel the top tier guys are all good to phenomenal sniper. But these videos really do help people. I feel like I’ve hit a plateau with PvP. I feel I’ve gotten decent. Maybe even above avg some matches in 6’s and some solid trials matches. But I just don’t feel like I’ve gotten better this past year. It’s weird lol. I just just can’t get to that next level in PvP like many others who can carry people to the lighthouse. Trials can be so demorilizing
Thanks I appreciate it!
What do you feel is holding you back most from reaching the next tier of PvP play?
Why did bro just block the entire opposing team 🤣🤣
They were cheating/ximming
It’d be a lot easier to find friends to play with if everyone wasn’t terrified of VC and talking to people.
Yes. Great video, great series.
I have been playing Destiny since day 1 till now. I still view Trials and Crucible Comp for elitists only. Now that cheaters are in all PVP content, I try to avoid PVP like the plague. But Bungie likes to included in the season challenges, PVP content. Hence unable to complete most Season challenges.
If you are the best player on your team then you should run well imo
What most people don’t understand is getting good at anything takes practice and you’re not going to be good at first. You have to put in the time and you’re going to get stomped in the beginning.
You’re right, however it’s going to be extra stressful when you are not good..your learning but your losing, probably hurting your team at the same time….all while being shit on by better players.
My problem is knowing how/when to use supers/abilities especially in trials…I’m solo, cuz I’m not good and not communicating with others so that makes it hard to learn.
Also, 6v6 is like a 1..comp is like a 3 but Trials feels like a 15. Almost impossible to practice for trials without just playing.
lol, I just attach to one players hip and help team shoot and try not to die😅.
@@derek3154 Something to keep in mind: You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. If you have an ability, and even have the slightest urge to throw it? Worst-case scenario? You'll have another one in a minute or so. Not a huge deal. And if you're still struggling, switch to a subclass/grenade/melee with lower cooldowns so you get more of them.
Drizzle is such an awesome guy! Gotta see his recent video of him knocking his cheating teammate off the map lmao
Person he ACCUSED of cheating. Had no evidence of it. I watched the stream live.
Wow,thanks.Some of the tips were useful,even though i am a d2 vet.nice vid!
One word about beating the meta morality: just remember that we are guardians, fighting for the light but, to protect it, we learned to use darkness. Embrace the meta; consume it.