If there is market pressure on them to change they will. But that will take the average consumer buying competitor's products to send the message. If people keep buying overpriced sub-standard equipment, it validates their cost-cutting measures on the production side.
yeah they've gotten comfortable with just being "better than razer" but nowadays even razer has rapid trigger, even if it isnt as good as wooting or steelseries
No need, their keyboards and brand have been doing super good ever since the 60HE dropped, they already know they have the market by their neck. They don't need to laugh anymore, they just focus on making their keyboards better and better. That's why Wooting is the best imo
Something else about Wooting I love, their "driver" software is a simple, lightweight program, not some invasive bloatware like most peripheral companies put out. It can even run in a browser!
and you don't even need to download it if you use a chromium browser the keyboard has storage and will save whatever settings you have no software required
I’m so sick of every company wanting to install god damn agents and updaters. I want a wooting mouse for this exact reason. Wooting everything if it means no agents ffs
I've got several Logitech mice and while I'm mostly happy with the hardware, the software side is just convoluted and frustrating. Especially if you want to set up macros and different functions for the buttons.
G Hub is actually great... LUA scripting, macro recording, etc etc etc. The problem is the products aren't worth the price. I love the G305. I've modded mine with kailh and pink dot switches. It's great and it's only 35 dollars. If was anymore it wouldn't be worth it though.
The only product from Logitech worth getting is the MX Master 3S productivity mouse, other than that, the company is following Creative’s footstep as a sunset company
Honestly even the 3S has issues that should've been solved a long time ago, namely the scroll wheel inconsistency. That issue was present in the Master 3 and somehow managed to stay unresolved for the 3S. Not to mention the rubber coating on the mouse that just degrades over time from skin oil. I'm just waiting for a different mouse that has both smart shift and a side scroll wheel and I'm probably switching right then and there. The only one even close is the Basilisk V3 but that doesn't have a side scroll wheel and their version of smart shift just isn't as fluid and responsive as Logitech's.
Hyped for wooting colab. I think the only missing stuff from wooting is that it lacks side printing, like bottom right keys can have arrows side printed.
That’s the main reason I’ve never pulled the trigger on the 915 TKL. It’s absurd that they’re still using micro USB! That port is going to be wrecked after you disconnect/reconnect three times
I work retail. Ive recommended logitech products for forever. I like bigger mice because I have bigger hands so I had a G502 X Plus. Came out in August 2022, I bought it in November. When mine was having issues staying connected I only wanted tech support because I thought it may be a software issue not the actual mouse. They asked for the serial number and proceeded to tell me it was 1) Out of warrenty, which is impossible as it has a 2 year warrenty and even if I bought day 1 that is in August this year. And 2) Said that it was a refurbished mouse. I bought it from THEIR amazon store page as a new mouse. They have since not responded to any of my emails asking for help because it is "out of warrenty". I immediately went and replaced all my logitech gear and no longer recommend them to customers.
Amazon has a habit of shipping refurbished products even though you select "brand new". Easiest way to tell is if you are able to find a white sticker that starts with LPN. This has happened to me several times and I'm glad that sometimes it's very obvious when something, especially tech has been repackaged. I'll find the LPN sticker to confirm my suspicions and immediately start the return process. They usually give me a brand new one on the second attempt, for now.
I know its really hit or miss but try calling them and asking for a real person (they spam you with an AI help bot). The person on the phone helped me out as one of my buttons stopped working 2 months in after i bought it from amazon and gave me a new one.
2 year warranty is with amazon, not logitech, as amazon sold you the mouse. If it's still less than 2 years, get in contact with amazon. They'll usually refund you no questions asked.
Razor did something similar to me. A headset broke in 3 months, got a new one and it did the same thing in four months. Both breaking in the same spot. I informed them about it and was offered a $10 discount at their store....Decided I'd never buy a razor product ever again.
Yeah my keyboard actually has a switch on it that lets me choose Mac or Windows mode, is metal with removable keys and switches, can do bluetooth, wired, or highspeed wireless dongle, can set up to 4 devices at once, and is cheaper than Logitech's mechanical MX series by %40... no way I am going back to Logitech. Now I am on the lookout for a good mouse. My MX Master 3 is kinda disappointing as the cursor moves super slow on the fastest settings. Looking for something that can set at least 2 devices, can do bluetooth and 2.4ghz dongles, and is USB C rechargeable, if anyone knows a good device? My wife has the G705 which is nice but a bit too small for me (I don't have big hands but this particular mouse is designed for female hands).
@@destructodisk9074 if you're on a Mac then you might want to adjust your mouse acceleration settings. If you can't do so with Logitech software, then SteelSeries used to have an universal tool for adjusting mouse acceleration
@@destructodisk9074 What keyboard are you using? I need a keyboard that can quickly swap between different pcs and your's sounds like the perfect fit for me. I'm currently using the MX Keys which works really well when swapping between multiple devices
G-hub, from a user friendly piece of software perspective, is absolute garbage. Seems to have been designed to look minimalist without a single thought towards intuitive design. Every function requires a google search to find out how to use. I hate it I hate it I hate it
what? you wrote a LETTER to a billion dollar company? I hate to break it to you, but absolutely nobody at that company read a letter from a random person. Thats comical.
@@absolutelysobeast Generally if the company provides the product which is nice with slightly issues, I usually send the message to them. I love to see the service keep in good quality. Of course as you said ,I am just one of the daily nameless person , so it is understandable that customer service reply shit. meanwhile you can think twice whether you should keep using the same company's product or not when you make your purchasing decisions. don't feel too upset with life, just a bad product and don't need to feel comical or badly
It seems like history is repeating itself. The same was happening 10 years ago when they rebranded the G series with the blue logo and all products became flashy. They won the market but it took them quite a while to get QC sorted out
No, it is not. Logitech has been bought by an investment fund in 2021. It takes a few years until the shift becomes clear to the consumer, as old products with a few tweaks are being sold as "new" are being released. As an investment company, you want to maximize profit, while minimizing expenses (this works well for food, agriculture, cars, etc, not so much for "high end" peripherals). This was inevitable, and easily foreseeable for anyone who reads any news, ever. Going forward, Logitech will continue to release "parts bin" products priced as premium, until the investors recoup their money, sell licenses and trademarks, or various divisions are bought by various companies who then churn out various products using the Logitech name (see Philips), or they go bankrupt. The wider context is super important. During the pandemic, sales most likely went up, and based on the really positive but very incorrect forecasts, tons of money would have been invested in the wrong direction, money which now unavailable for fast enough and high quality R&D. As such, churn out old tech which you then try to pass as "current gen", fresh, flagship, etc. Sadly, it takes a long time until this becomes clear in the sales figures. Expect many years of even worse products.
You would think the team behind this keyboard would be able to create a standard list of must haves and should haves for a keyboard in esports scene. Looks like they missed them all...
Or at least price it accordingly. I can understand if an upcoming pro player can’t afford spending more than $100 on a keyboard, so they would get something slightly cheaper from a decent brand. So then pricing an average keyboard higher than the best keyboard in the market is just delusional.
Too bad they probably started from a perspective of, "we have a budget of X and promised the executives X% profit per device in order to get this green lit"
If 5 years ago somebody told me Razer will become a great peripheral company and logitech will become garbage, i would have bet my life savings against this prediction.
@@TheRealFlamingNinja Yes, they have. (its amazing) Especially in comparison to Logitech. Their mice are *mostly* industry-leading (i.e. Viper v3 pro, DAv3 pro, counter i.e. RVMSE), you know, 8k wireless, great qc, best shapes on the market (though that is subjective), their keyboards are trying (though wooting still has them beat), their headphones are still mid but better than logitech. Logitech meanwhile have been almost going backwards with how bad things have been for them lately. Keyboard releases are dumb, mouse improvements are either nonexistent or minimal (i.e. the GPX 2, g502x), i dont know much about logitech headphones. All while Logitech has been charging more for less.
Until Razer completely remakes the borderline malware that is Synapse and then makes it optional for some of the tournament products like Logi does, they’re not competitive. I’m on the wooting and a Zowie mouse now and god it feels so good to not have all that trash on my PC
@@TheRealFlamingNinja Everything except for their Laptops seems to be fine. Overall, everything is still a bit overpriced, but they're a huge brand so its to be expected anyway.
i always love logitech products even the non gaming ones but my only problem with logitech is their double clicks issues. I’ve bought a lot of their mouses and keyboards from different models as well.
So many big companies are just going cheap. Mostly higher up asking for new products and giving no time to the people who are creating the product as long as it gets on the shelf quickly. No passion, just budgets. I'm so glad more and more indie companies are showing up and are actually putting heart into their products again.
It feels like Logitech has lost their way. I remember the days of the Logitech G5 mouse, I bought it for 50 euros and it was the best mouse on the market. When it broke after 4 years and I didn't have the receipt they just shipped me a new one and asked for me to return the old one so they can inspect it. They also did this for some speakers I had. Somewhere along the line tho their quality started dropping both on hardware and customer support. I had a G603 (I think) wireless mouse which had double clicking issues despite me not using it much, but after 4 years no warranty (despite it being a well documented issue) and they only offered me a 25% discount on their overpriced store. Also one of their headsets broke at the shitty plastic hinge after just 2 years and I also didn't get any warranty on that. I'm noticing issues with my G pro wireless as well, and it's also out of warranty. I'm super happy with my Drunkdeer A75 hall effect keyboard that cost me 120 euros. Best keyboard I've had hands down, and very comparable to the Wooting (just not the best software). These days I'm not looking at Logitech as a first choice anymore, especially at the premium they're asking for budget gear.
The G5 was never the best mouse on the market, not even close, but it was a breed of a different era in terms of build quality. Sadly, you can't really expect that nowadays.
how long do you expect a product to last you? The fact that you would expect ANY compensation after 4 years is absolutley mind blowing. You used a headset for 2 YEARS straight and thats somehow unacceptable to you? Im not sure where you think you live, but this is planet earth. I honestly cannot believe your entitlement, its absolutely ridiculous
@@absolutelysobeast It is not about what you expect, but about what you feel like should be able to expect. Those two are similar, but not quite the same. I feel like if I purchase a comparatively pricey peripheral and a distinct problem emerges during the first 4 years, I will for sure let the retailer or manufacturer hear about it. Politely asking how should we proceed now. The response and service I get will be noted. As a result, there are manufacturers whose products I am prepared to pay a premium for, and other manufacturers whose products must be less expensive than the competition available for me to even consider purchasing.
@@absolutelysobeast I expect pheripherals to last at least 5 years. Maybe you're American, but consumers in Europe tend to have longer warranties than just 1 or 2 years. It's unreasonable for a 150 euro mouse to have buttons going bad after 2 years.
@@npyrhone2 dude 4 years? I mean if you use something, its not going to last that long. If you use something like a mouse or a keyboard daily for 2 years i dont understand how you expect more than that? Maybe 3 years, but i honestly cannot fathom having a thing for 4 years and contacting the manufacturer and asking them what they are going to do for me? I mean dude that means that you are still using a thing now and would expect compensation for something you bought before the world even knew what the hell covid was? I CANNOT understand that. A mouse or a keyboard is a piece of plastic that you touch every single day and press the buttons hundreds of times a day.
Yeah it really is especially because it really is just a basic mechanical keyboard Aliexpress sells keyboards like this for 10 dollars with free shipping
@TorchCTI good, cheap keyboards dont cost 10 bucks? good 60% you can find for around 60 bucks - bigger ones for 100. and this logitech keyboard does what those 60$ keyboards do for triple the price... thats why the video.
logi is not even releasing their budget mouse series like successor to g305, g703, g102 which were legendary mice , what are they doing with all the resources ??
I have the G703 Lightspeed and I'm extremely satisfied with it. I tried different mouses, even the flagships from Logitech but returned them all and stayed with G703.
The curse of big public companies - their stock price becomes their main product. The resources are sadly going to stock buybacks and dividends. Let's hope they don't lose their way.
it's so weird every company in the industry that we've grown to trust throughout the years have recently began losing our trust and our favor to new companies. either in the front end of the company or in customer service. a lot of these big companies need to realize that consumers won't stick around when they pay top dollar expecting top quality gear and get let down.
Well well well, Logitech did wake up, Optimum. They finally made their Logitech Pro X TKL Rapid. Corsair and ASUS are still late to the game for an HE keyboard too.
As a casual gamer, I love my $7CAD ergonomic mk710 value village special and I have very few, very minor issues with my $80CAD MX master 3s Kijiji special. Logitech is good at what they're passionate about, and it's clear they're not passionate about gaming, they just saw a growing market, and then saw they didn't have to try for people to buy their stuff. Especially when it comes to manufacturing a southpaw version of their ergonomic designs.
Honestly, what did they even EXPECT with this keyboard? The first time I’ve ever seen this keyboard is by HipyoTech’s review. It was absolutely so insane, hilarious, and especially disappointing from a big brand like Logitech to even produce something LIKE this. It looks very basic, and I bet it feels basic as well. There’s no KEYCAP or SWITCH puller, and for the keyboard modders out there, if you wanted to hotswap it for different keycap, you literally can’t. You can’t switch to any other keycap if you tried. The software looks ridiculously mediocre and boring in my opinion. I gotta say, I have never been a fan of software. Hell, I have an Apex Pro Full from SteelSeries, and holy SHIT, it is annoying. The software has garbage I don’t use, in which the only thing I use is the “Engine” for the custom actuation points (Rapid trigger is included as well). Overall, for Logitech, they are in hot water, and I feel like it will only get worse in my opinion in the future if they keep releasing terrible stuff like this. For the epic of $180, being nearly the price of many high-tier keyboards today like the Wooting and some of its competitors, I find that so BS and hilarious that people would buy a keyboard that probably isn’t worth its high price tag.
Most people consider the G15 to be the first gaming keyboard which launched in 2005. It was pretty much awesome by default and that was within 20 years! ^_^
Someone had to say it and I'm glad you did. A few years ago, I decided to go with full-setup Logitech peripherals. The keyboard I chose was the G915 in full size. The letters and numbers on the keys started to fade after a few months. For the mouse I went with the G Pro X Superlight which had some issues with the scroll wheel where I would try to scroll down but it would scroll up instead. I received a replacement mouse but it had issues with the clicks. Holding down the clicks for more than 2 seconds will result in them releasing even though I was still holding them. The third replacement was lucky, it only has some wobble but it's acceptable. The headset I bought was the wired G Pro X and after three months the sound in the left side was more pronounced than in the right one, and a week later the sound in the right side completely disappeared. I purchased the G Pro X v2 wireless headset and they make a sound as if something is scratching inside, randomly, like a popping/cracking noise. This was the last product I bought from Logitech.
i had been using a corsair hs70 wireless headset i bought when i got my first gaming pc a few years ago. when i finally tried to upgrade last year - knowing much more about pc gaming at that point - i tried the g pro x v2, partially for convenience since i was still using logitech m&k. only having to use one piece of software was alluring. however, at 100% volume on *everything* the audio was muffled & surprisingly quiet. yes, firmware/software was up-to-date & g hub was functioning as expected otherwise. returned to place of purchase to swap out & had the same problem with the second unit. returned again for a refund & decided to try the very well-reviewed audeze maxwell headset. sound quality was fantastic on those, but they had a fatal flaw (imo) in which any video, song, or media source i tried would have zero volume for the first few seconds after play/pause with no apparent way to correct it. audeze customer support was arguably the worst i've ever encountered, unfortunately. after weeks of absurd back-and-forth emails, i was finally able to return the maxwell & eventually receive a refund. ended up replacing the battery on the aging corsair unit with a higher-density cell then replaced the ear cushions & am still using it daily. --- filed under "i'm frustrated and this is good enough lol."
this is like the old internet explorer meme logitech are literally 5 years too late with this thing and the 180USD price tag is just sad man, in the pass few years keyboard have change so much, things like rainy, zoom, neo make the fancy custom keyboard become something everyone can afford, wooting completely change what gaming keyboard can be yet this thing is just a RK with 3 time the price
I'm still using a Wooting One board I got from their Kickstarter in 2017 i think. Had a couple switches starting to wobble in the last year, found my Wooting box and there was like 8 replacement switches inside (4 clicky 4 linear). Swapped out my WASD and Space bar switches and lubed it up, good as new! My roommate has gone through 4 keyboards from Corsair, Razer, CoolerMaster, in the same time that all failed.
So, why is Logitech like this now? The old CEO who worked closely with the old head tech executive both left. They were responsible for Logitech's success in the gaming market. Now they have some clueless woman CEO from consumer health and beauty products companies (Unilever, Procter & Gamble, and some drugstore/convenience store corporation Ahold Delhaize). She doesn't know tech and has no clue about gaming. And the old Chief Design Officer, Alastair Curtis, who oversaw the development of the innovation in the gaming market left with the old CEO, and now they have nobody in that role with talent and vision. Clearly.
This is the problem with companies becoming so enormous. They've gotten to the size where developing a bog standard keyboard involves so much bureaucracy and micromanagement that it's 3 years behind at the time that it comes out. And then because of the R&D wasted on it, it's way more expensive than its competitors. But they can be sure it'll still sell because of brand recognition and marketing.
After waiting years for a full size 915 upgrade with USB C and optical keys, they released this new one with USB A, no upgrades and no full size. I finally bought an ASUS ROG Strix Scope II after that a few months ago and been incredibly happy with it. Had all the features I wanted and then some. Such as pre-lubed keys and sound dampening foam. Looks, feels, and sounds amazing. Still no rapid trigger mode yet.
I guess the TLDR with most of those vids are: you don't have money to buy Wooting? Save up and buy Wooting. You have more money and wanna buy something else that's not Wooting, you buy Wooting. jokes aside great vid 🙏
@@lostwinter5637 LMAO you ain't wrong xD Jokes aside the only board I'm aware that's faster than Wooting is Rakka (Holy60) and they can be purchased on KBDFans but it won't be the case anymore. That's the only board that's so close to performance.
Dude, I’ve been looking at the Wooting board for a bit and was on the fence about waiting for the 80 but now I know you have a collab board coming out I now what I’m waiting for.
Corsair has a keyboard with magnetic switches that has variable actuation points and rapid trigger and the ability to map 2 keystrokes to one key for example a light press of the "W" key would make an in game character walk but a harder press would make them run
Not really. In term of pure gaming competitive-ness Wooting is still on top. The typing feel are trash but you can't argue with the input responsiveness. Custom keyboard are now trying to do hall effect, but their software is more often than not pure junk and their implementation of features like rapid trigger is all over the place. Personally I'll still use a regular contact based custom keyboard for the superior typing feel because I don't need that competitive edge.
@@PSS395 QMK is great software. You can program it without having any application installed on your PC and is an open protocol, so you can as example create your own effects. Between my 200€ Keychron and my 160€ Corsair K70 mk2 there's just no comparison by how much better the keychron feels
@@PSS395 Wooting sells a custom keyboard kit, you can basically buy just the mobo. I LOVE Wooting but agree that for anything other than gaming it isn't necessarily better than a mechanical switch, but all-in-one wise Wooting is killing it.
it took them YEARS to fix the doubleclicking with the new optical switches on their mice. i actually swapped from cherry MX a long time ago to optical (ironically, wooting) because of key chattering, and never had the issue again. now imagine a company as huge as logitech wasting tons of money on RMA every year because of the mechanical switches, and doing nothing for that long when all they had to do is get optical or magnetic actuation switches.
I have bought their Left handed ergonomic mouse for 75€, which in my country is a lot mind you. First, I dont know anyone that uses main buttons swapped in their left hand, as we all learned on "right handed mouses" all our lives. After that I got the software and found the option to swap them - what that does is that it will swap the Windows settings, not the actual mouse buttons in the mouse itself! I have contacted the support about it, but the answer was basically "screw you we are not changing it". Lost all hope in logitech and wont recommend anyone their products.
I never liked Logitech products, most of them are peace of garbage. The double clicking issue is so common, im shocked they are not sued because of that.
I can't believe you manage to keep increasing the set design and production quality after already reaching such a high point that is considered the pinnacle of UA-cam tech reviews. Keep it up!
The fact that the first link in the description takes people to the Wooting 60HE(which I also have and I’m very happy with it) and there *isn’t even a link to check out what Logitech shat out* speaks VOLUMES. I don’t know what Logitech is smoking, but they gotta share
Logitech wireless option is still far ahead than everyone else . It just works , insane battery life and zero connectivity issue like switching from lightspeed to bluetooth seamlessly
I have a g915 and its battery degraded SO fast Not my superlight tho, so idk what thats about Also the abs keycaps edges started completely wearing of after less than a year I get better prices on logitech products where i live, but everything but certain mice and maybe some headsets feel like a scam by now
Thats all sweet and shit but not when this garbage product costs 180 dollars, its an overpriced 50 dollar keyboard. It brings nothing to the table that we havent had in the last decade.
I doubt it. As long as their shareholders are happy they won't improve anything. Niche keyboards aren't a market that will even show up in a quarterly report.
@@XiaOmegaXNot sure their shareholders are gonna be happy when their Gaming brand dies. Stuff like this takes a while but eventually it's gonna hit their bottom line.
@@HuyV lol a failed 60% won't even make a margin difference to logitech. Gaming is 26% of their earnings report. 60% keyboards are probably 0.001% of that. It's a niche of a niche of a niche. I'd also bet the sales numbers of this crap are meeting their corporate targets. Gamers will buy it because they dont know better.
putting thumb clusters on your custom wooting keyboard would take your project to the next level. Imagine wooting switches on something like a dygma defy. One giant space bar is wasted real estate on a gaming keyboard and 95% of designers/manufactures haven't realized this.
Their only decent products are gpx superlight / gpx superlight 2 / g305 I wouldn't buy anything other than these their headsets aren't great speakers are mid keyboards are really bad
It's a new layout UA-cam was testing out. Premium subscribers got early access so that UA-cam could gauge how well people would adapt/like it. The comments and video description were smashed to the side, kinda like you would have on YT Shorts, and if you scrolled down to where the comments would normally be, it looked like the homepage of UA-cam with more video recommendations in the grid-like display. Needless to say people didn't respond so well to the layout. I personally wrote a review on their survey saying that while I appreciated the effort, they can fuck off. I like seeing the community over having more videos shoved in my face, if I needed that I'd just go back to the homepage or open a new tab.
My last Logitech experience this year: I ordered a MX Mechanical and a MX Mechanical Mini. The MX Mechanical had a warped case. The Mini lost Bluetooth connection once in a while. Doesn't feel like a premium experience in my opinion. I bought a second Keychron. I'm happy now.
That only lasts if they release quality stuff. They can stay afloat but they're going to lose market quick, as UA-camrs keep releasing these disses to them. (rFP, Badseed, etc.)
There were signs a few years earlier. G700 mouse - side buttons breaking, painfully low battery life. G602 - scroll wheel problems. G604 - again side buttons breaking under warranty period, and using cheap chinese omron switches which wear out and start doubleclicking just under two years. And there was K800 keyboard with build quality so bad they glued it on the inside, making simple repair such as cleaning after liquid spills to save the keyboard actually requiring regluing, or you'd have gaping holes in the seams. These are all premium products costing a lot of money. And looking for a replacement for the broken G604, it seems that top tier offerings from corsair and razer also have significant problems which are quality assurance based or engineering flaws. This should be unacceptable, but it seems that the pandemic tanked everything down quality wise. Companies grew bold seeing people will buy crap when pushed against the wall with lack of choice. We're seeing this with other premium brands as well, see the recent ASUS controversy on RMAs which @GamersNexus reported on. Nvidia price-gouging for GPUs. Motherboards cooking CPUs because apparently nobody tests this crap. Bad time to build a PC or buy peripherals for it.
I bought a high end keyboard with the special Omron keys that Logitech sell. The W key broke and because it is custom I contacted Logitech for a replacement. They don't provide them, don't even sell replacements. Would have to RMA the entire keyboard, but it was out of warranty. Not going near a Logitech keyboard ever again.
The only switches where you can adjust the trigger point would be hall effect (magnetic). Optical switches are a dead giveaway and usually used in cheaper boards. Not even a good selection of switches for optical imo.
I've quit Logitech products long time ago. Gave them a try at some point when that new fancy gaming mouse was released, returned it immediately because sand-paper like "grip" is about the polar opposite of "good for RSI". Moved on to Sharkoon mice and now its just Razor Basilisk. Got everything and NO "sticky" click-of-death issues AND the famous "free spin" scroll wheel. And well, the last Logitech keyboard I bought was the G710 with MX blue switches, so thats been quite some time ago, too. These days? I'm using a Royal Kludge 98, with a bunch of fancy keycaps and the Box Jade switches waiting to be installed.
You can buy a 20 dollar rapid trigger keypad that is sometimes available for like 15 dollars, has a knob, screen, rapid trigger and 8000hz, and then there Logitech with their RK61 for 180
Congrats on your collab with a great company like wooting! Appreciate your reviews, I have had a wooting 60HE for a year now and is by far the best I have ever used. Never will be going back to anything else as well.
Logitech (like many others) is focusing on the enterprise and leaving the consumer business as their side hustle. I've noticed this especially since they've started using their BOLT technology in basically every "business" branded product they release.
I mostly ignore keyboard stuff, as I'm happy with mine. I knew wooting was a brand, but I knew nothing about the product. That rapid trigger tech is super cool
Technically rapid trigger has been a thing since the wooting 2 Lekker but it took some time for everyone else to catch on because in 2021 the only people who cared were vintage keyboard enthusiasts who knew what Hall effect switches were
I purchased a NEW G X 2 Pro Logitech headset and the Mic did not work right out of the BOX, Logitech tech services could not help me and they were very rude! I sent it back! NO MORE LOGITECH!!! 👎👎👎👎👎👎
Logitech is the perfect example of why not to be brand loyal. They used to be amazing, but just because used to be doesn't mean they are today. They've sucked for years now.
All my hardware was Logitech, and I ran to Corsair, because my mouse buttons always broke after a few months. I think I went through 6 logitech mouses before I realized Logitech isn't premium anymore. Corsair is OK, but regrettably I'm switching to the Wooting Two HE now. The tech is just too good to ignore.
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A £180 keyboard without rapid trigger in the current state of the competitive keyboard market is quite crazy
If it works traditionally then rapid trigger doesn't make you a better gamer than what you currently are.
how the duck you comment this in the same minute posted.
@@joelconolly5574 not worth the price point lol
@@joelconolly5574 No hardware upgrade makes you a better gamer. The only purpose is to give you an advantage and rapid trigger does that.
Sad thing is, that this keyboard will sell anyways because its Logitech.
Logitech wake up optimum just dropped
litteraly😂
They'll be arranging an internal crisis meeting ASAP, guaranteed 😅
Hyped for the Optimum Wooting
They aint sleepin bro. They just gave up.
Lol
Huge respect for critiquing them as harshly as you did. Logitech has gotten complacent over the years - the quality of ALL their products shows.
If there is market pressure on them to change they will. But that will take the average consumer buying competitor's products to send the message. If people keep buying overpriced sub-standard equipment, it validates their cost-cutting measures on the production side.
They have not updated the 920 webcam in years and it's still $60
yeah they've gotten comfortable with just being "better than razer" but nowadays even razer has rapid trigger, even if it isnt as good as wooting or steelseries
Everyone that's talked about this keyboard has shit on it. This video is late.
@@boinqity4621 Razer V3 has surpassed Superlight, too. How the mighty have fallen... .
The keypresses probably have to pass through logitech servers.
Why do you think you have to register and sign in to use the drivers?
THE FOREVER KEYBOARD
each keypress is 1$
I bought this keyboard and it ruined my entire life
which one?
You know this keyboard is bad when the first link in the description is a wooting link
He ment because he reviewed a logitech keyboard
@@sak-atWork are you just disagreeing for fun?
@@sak-atWork read it again, slowly this time
xdddd
@@sak-atWorklet me paraphrase in a way you’ll understand:
Optimum reviewed logitech’s keyboard but he put the link of wooting instead of it
I like to imagine the Wooting team playing this video in their Monday meeting and having a good laugh.
😂
No need, their keyboards and brand have been doing super good ever since the 60HE dropped, they already know they have the market by their neck. They don't need to laugh anymore, they just focus on making their keyboards better and better. That's why Wooting is the best imo
Who's rooting?
@@ms3862 The company/brand Wooting. Did you not watch the video where he mentioned them multiple times?
Something else about Wooting I love, their "driver" software is a simple, lightweight program, not some invasive bloatware like most peripheral companies put out. It can even run in a browser!
this alone genuinely makes it worth over any competitor despite how hard they can be to get your hands on
and you don't even need to download it if you use a chromium browser the keyboard has storage and will save whatever settings you have no software required
I’m so sick of every company wanting to install god damn agents and updaters.
I want a wooting mouse for this exact reason. Wooting everything if it means no agents ffs
I've got several Logitech mice and while I'm mostly happy with the hardware, the software side is just convoluted and frustrating. Especially if you want to set up macros and different functions for the buttons.
G Hub is actually great... LUA scripting, macro recording, etc etc etc. The problem is the products aren't worth the price. I love the G305. I've modded mine with kailh and pink dot switches. It's great and it's only 35 dollars. If was anymore it wouldn't be worth it though.
The only product from Logitech worth getting is the MX Master 3S productivity mouse, other than that, the company is following Creative’s footstep as a sunset company
Superlight
Honestly even the 3S has issues that should've been solved a long time ago, namely the scroll wheel inconsistency. That issue was present in the Master 3 and somehow managed to stay unresolved for the 3S. Not to mention the rubber coating on the mouse that just degrades over time from skin oil.
I'm just waiting for a different mouse that has both smart shift and a side scroll wheel and I'm probably switching right then and there. The only one even close is the Basilisk V3 but that doesn't have a side scroll wheel and their version of smart shift just isn't as fluid and responsive as Logitech's.
Hyped for wooting colab. I think the only missing stuff from wooting is that it lacks side printing, like bottom right keys can have arrows side printed.
Calendar issue, they thought it was 2014.
Makes sense why it still has the old Windows logo from 2012
THIS
😂😂😂😂
Not to mention their top full-size keyboard G915 is still sporting a micro-USB (!) port in 2024...
bro i couldnt believe it and went to check its really micro-usb and even when its on sale its 180$ WTF 😭
That’s the main reason I’ve never pulled the trigger on the 915 TKL. It’s absurd that they’re still using micro USB! That port is going to be wrecked after you disconnect/reconnect three times
@@BEARTAC0S i using this keyboard and is light years before all. soo video like this is mambo jambo
@@sasourbic636 i reading this comment and is light years old all. soo comment like this is wambo wumbo
@@alb9022 i feel like wambo wumbo is a great way to describe your comment actually
Logitech kinda has been getting worse over the years.
Looks like another case of enshitification
Probably on purpose, my first Logitech mouse lasted like 7 years 😢
considering the amount of RND that went into the original G pro vs the superlight 2, I think you are right
@@wenimechoinasama2 I only bought the Superlight 2 for the sake of more tactile clicks and USB C charging. Otherwise I would've just taken the first
@@PainkillerX12 Nah, it's been 6+ years at this point.
I work retail. Ive recommended logitech products for forever. I like bigger mice because I have bigger hands so I had a G502 X Plus. Came out in August 2022, I bought it in November. When mine was having issues staying connected I only wanted tech support because I thought it may be a software issue not the actual mouse. They asked for the serial number and proceeded to tell me it was 1) Out of warrenty, which is impossible as it has a 2 year warrenty and even if I bought day 1 that is in August this year. And 2) Said that it was a refurbished mouse. I bought it from THEIR amazon store page as a new mouse. They have since not responded to any of my emails asking for help because it is "out of warrenty". I immediately went and replaced all my logitech gear and no longer recommend them to customers.
Amazon has a habit of shipping refurbished products even though you select "brand new". Easiest way to tell is if you are able to find a white sticker that starts with LPN. This has happened to me several times and I'm glad that sometimes it's very obvious when something, especially tech has been repackaged. I'll find the LPN sticker to confirm my suspicions and immediately start the return process. They usually give me a brand new one on the second attempt, for now.
I know its really hit or miss but try calling them and asking for a real person (they spam you with an AI help bot). The person on the phone helped me out as one of my buttons stopped working 2 months in after i bought it from amazon and gave me a new one.
2 year warranty is with amazon, not logitech, as amazon sold you the mouse. If it's still less than 2 years, get in contact with amazon. They'll usually refund you no questions asked.
Damn, has Logitech support taken a nose dive? They treated me insanely well around 2019ish, after which they had my loyalty.
Razor did something similar to me. A headset broke in 3 months, got a new one and it did the same thing in four months. Both breaking in the same spot. I informed them about it and was offered a $10 discount at their store....Decided I'd never buy a razor product ever again.
I'm always blown away by your video quality and minimalism
180 for a basic keyboard is crazy
Definitely, I would just go the custom route and come out with something better lol.
they were definitely smoking something
"Basic" is generous. That keyboard looks absolute SHIT.
@@jet613 fr you can build a WAAAAAY better keyboard for that price point , i hate logithec so much lmaoo
Not me paying 250 bucks for a topre
When they purposefully locked MX Keys for Mac in Mac layout only with a firmware update to hinder performance in WIndows, I knew they are finished.
Yeah my keyboard actually has a switch on it that lets me choose Mac or Windows mode, is metal with removable keys and switches, can do bluetooth, wired, or highspeed wireless dongle, can set up to 4 devices at once, and is cheaper than Logitech's mechanical MX series by %40... no way I am going back to Logitech.
Now I am on the lookout for a good mouse. My MX Master 3 is kinda disappointing as the cursor moves super slow on the fastest settings. Looking for something that can set at least 2 devices, can do bluetooth and 2.4ghz dongles, and is USB C rechargeable, if anyone knows a good device? My wife has the G705 which is nice but a bit too small for me (I don't have big hands but this particular mouse is designed for female hands).
@@destructodisk9074check out the keychron m6 :)
@@destructodisk9074 if you're on a Mac then you might want to adjust your mouse acceleration settings. If you can't do so with Logitech software, then SteelSeries used to have an universal tool for adjusting mouse acceleration
@@destructodisk9074 What keyboard are you using? I need a keyboard that can quickly swap between different pcs and your's sounds like the perfect fit for me. I'm currently using the MX Keys which works really well when swapping between multiple devices
@@destructodisk9074 how are you gonna say all that but not say the name of the keyboard?
I love G604 but I still remember that I wrote a letter to Logitech to report a bug in G-Hub ,no fixing for 3 years.
so no expection with this company.
They don't fix anything in that shit app
G-hub, from a user friendly piece of software perspective, is absolute garbage. Seems to have been designed to look minimalist without a single thought towards intuitive design. Every function requires a google search to find out how to use. I hate it I hate it I hate it
what? you wrote a LETTER to a billion dollar company? I hate to break it to you, but absolutely nobody at that company read a letter from a random person. Thats comical.
@@absolutelysobeast Generally if the company provides the product which is nice with slightly issues, I usually send the message to them. I love to see the service keep in good quality.
Of course as you said ,I am just one of the daily nameless person , so it is understandable that customer service reply shit.
meanwhile you can think twice whether you should keep using the same company's product or not when you make your purchasing decisions.
don't feel too upset with life, just a bad product and don't need to feel comical or badly
@@tazer4391 I stopped buying Logitech products once they all required G-Hub. I've had nothing but trouble with that POS software
for anyone wondering if theres a tkl wooting there is one comming in mid august you can preorder it right now
It seems like history is repeating itself. The same was happening 10 years ago when they rebranded the G series with the blue logo and all products became flashy. They won the market but it took them quite a while to get QC sorted out
No, it is not. Logitech has been bought by an investment fund in 2021. It takes a few years until the shift becomes clear to the consumer, as old products with a few tweaks are being sold as "new" are being released. As an investment company, you want to maximize profit, while minimizing expenses (this works well for food, agriculture, cars, etc, not so much for "high end" peripherals). This was inevitable, and easily foreseeable for anyone who reads any news, ever. Going forward, Logitech will continue to release "parts bin" products priced as premium, until the investors recoup their money, sell licenses and trademarks, or various divisions are bought by various companies who then churn out various products using the Logitech name (see Philips), or they go bankrupt.
The wider context is super important. During the pandemic, sales most likely went up, and based on the really positive but very incorrect forecasts, tons of money would have been invested in the wrong direction, money which now unavailable for fast enough and high quality R&D. As such, churn out old tech which you then try to pass as "current gen", fresh, flagship, etc. Sadly, it takes a long time until this becomes clear in the sales figures. Expect many years of even worse products.
Logitech biting the curb 4k HD
8K HDR10+ 120fps DOLBY VISION IMAX*
4k is not HD lol
@@guinea_horn Maybe they meant HDR
You would think the team behind this keyboard would be able to create a standard list of must haves and should haves for a keyboard in esports scene. Looks like they missed them all...
Or at least price it accordingly. I can understand if an upcoming pro player can’t afford spending more than $100 on a keyboard, so they would get something slightly cheaper from a decent brand.
So then pricing an average keyboard higher than the best keyboard in the market is just delusional.
Too bad they probably started from a perspective of, "we have a budget of X and promised the executives X% profit per device in order to get this green lit"
If 5 years ago somebody told me Razer will become a great peripheral company and logitech will become garbage, i would have bet my life savings against this prediction.
Has Razer really improved that much? I've been burned by them too many times to ever buy one of their products again.
@@TheRealFlamingNinja Yes, they have. (its amazing) Especially in comparison to Logitech. Their mice are *mostly* industry-leading (i.e. Viper v3 pro, DAv3 pro, counter i.e. RVMSE), you know, 8k wireless, great qc, best shapes on the market (though that is subjective), their keyboards are trying (though wooting still has them beat), their headphones are still mid but better than logitech. Logitech meanwhile have been almost going backwards with how bad things have been for them lately. Keyboard releases are dumb, mouse improvements are either nonexistent or minimal (i.e. the GPX 2, g502x), i dont know much about logitech headphones. All while Logitech has been charging more for less.
@@OzymandiasMC my issue was always the switches dying on their mice, I lost like 3 mice to that. I don't think I'll ever buy one again.
Until Razer completely remakes the borderline malware that is Synapse and then makes it optional for some of the tournament products like Logi does, they’re not competitive. I’m on the wooting and a Zowie mouse now and god it feels so good to not have all that trash on my PC
@@TheRealFlamingNinja Everything except for their Laptops seems to be fine. Overall, everything is still a bit overpriced, but they're a huge brand so its to be expected anyway.
i always love logitech products even the non gaming ones but my only problem with logitech is their double clicks issues. I’ve bought a lot of their mouses and keyboards from different models as well.
So many big companies are just going cheap. Mostly higher up asking for new products and giving no time to the people who are creating the product as long as it gets on the shelf quickly. No passion, just budgets. I'm so glad more and more indie companies are showing up and are actually putting heart into their products again.
That’s the thing about sheer market dominance. You don’t even have to try anymore to get the sales
It feels like Logitech has lost their way. I remember the days of the Logitech G5 mouse, I bought it for 50 euros and it was the best mouse on the market. When it broke after 4 years and I didn't have the receipt they just shipped me a new one and asked for me to return the old one so they can inspect it. They also did this for some speakers I had. Somewhere along the line tho their quality started dropping both on hardware and customer support. I had a G603 (I think) wireless mouse which had double clicking issues despite me not using it much, but after 4 years no warranty (despite it being a well documented issue) and they only offered me a 25% discount on their overpriced store. Also one of their headsets broke at the shitty plastic hinge after just 2 years and I also didn't get any warranty on that. I'm noticing issues with my G pro wireless as well, and it's also out of warranty.
I'm super happy with my Drunkdeer A75 hall effect keyboard that cost me 120 euros. Best keyboard I've had hands down, and very comparable to the Wooting (just not the best software). These days I'm not looking at Logitech as a first choice anymore, especially at the premium they're asking for budget gear.
The G5 was never the best mouse on the market, not even close, but it was a breed of a different era in terms of build quality. Sadly, you can't really expect that nowadays.
how long do you expect a product to last you? The fact that you would expect ANY compensation after 4 years is absolutley mind blowing. You used a headset for 2 YEARS straight and thats somehow unacceptable to you? Im not sure where you think you live, but this is planet earth. I honestly cannot believe your entitlement, its absolutely ridiculous
@@absolutelysobeast It is not about what you expect, but about what you feel like should be able to expect. Those two are similar, but not quite the same. I feel like if I purchase a comparatively pricey peripheral and a distinct problem emerges during the first 4 years, I will for sure let the retailer or manufacturer hear about it. Politely asking how should we proceed now. The response and service I get will be noted. As a result, there are manufacturers whose products I am prepared to pay a premium for, and other manufacturers whose products must be less expensive than the competition available for me to even consider purchasing.
@@absolutelysobeast I expect pheripherals to last at least 5 years. Maybe you're American, but consumers in Europe tend to have longer warranties than just 1 or 2 years. It's unreasonable for a 150 euro mouse to have buttons going bad after 2 years.
@@npyrhone2 dude 4 years? I mean if you use something, its not going to last that long. If you use something like a mouse or a keyboard daily for 2 years i dont understand how you expect more than that? Maybe 3 years, but i honestly cannot fathom having a thing for 4 years and contacting the manufacturer and asking them what they are going to do for me? I mean dude that means that you are still using a thing now and would expect compensation for something you bought before the world even knew what the hell covid was? I CANNOT understand that. A mouse or a keyboard is a piece of plastic that you touch every single day and press the buttons hundreds of times a day.
$180 for a basic KB is crazy
Yeah it really is especially because it really is just a basic mechanical keyboard Aliexpress sells keyboards like this for 10 dollars with free shipping
basic? its half a keyboard! when 60% means pay 60% more per switch... xD
Basic? It's literally lacking
wirelss, 60h of battery life, extrrem low latency and rgb backlight and software support, I want exactly such a keyboard give me a cheaper alternative
@TorchCTI good, cheap keyboards dont cost 10 bucks? good 60% you can find for around 60 bucks - bigger ones for 100.
and this logitech keyboard does what those 60$ keyboards do for triple the price... thats why the video.
I really respect the effort you put into making your videos super clean and super honest. great work man
logi is not even releasing their budget mouse series like successor to g305, g703, g102 which were legendary mice , what are they doing with all the resources ??
I have the G703 Lightspeed and I'm extremely satisfied with it. I tried different mouses, even the flagships from Logitech but returned them all and stayed with G703.
The curse of big public companies - their stock price becomes their main product. The resources are sadly going to stock buybacks and dividends. Let's hope they don't lose their way.
Congrats on your partnership with Wooting!
This tells me everything.
Wake up
@@OfficalMineTechHD he's alwys praised wooting before the partnership bro
it's so weird every company in the industry that we've grown to trust throughout the years have recently began losing our trust and our favor to new companies. either in the front end of the company or in customer service. a lot of these big companies need to realize that consumers won't stick around when they pay top dollar expecting top quality gear and get let down.
I want that Optimum x Wooting keyboard
Hopefully it's just the case and keycaps or else I'll have to get a second 60he just for this
Well well well, Logitech did wake up, Optimum. They finally made their Logitech Pro X TKL Rapid. Corsair and ASUS are still late to the game for an HE keyboard too.
As a casual gamer, I love my $7CAD ergonomic mk710 value village special and I have very few, very minor issues with my $80CAD MX master 3s Kijiji special. Logitech is good at what they're passionate about, and it's clear they're not passionate about gaming, they just saw a growing market, and then saw they didn't have to try for people to buy their stuff. Especially when it comes to manufacturing a southpaw version of their ergonomic designs.
They also ruined Blue Microphones after aquiring them
It also bought Saitek, maker of expensive but unreliable flying peripherals. They’re still expensive, and still unreliable.
I mean the blue yeti kinda s*cks for its price but they managed to make an even worse and more expensive "upgrade" lmao
dude the gradient looks sick hope you guys keep it
0:38 didn't heard "Logitech is awesome" for last 20 years even once :)
True. Logitech has literally never made good keyboards.
Honestly, what did they even EXPECT with this keyboard?
The first time I’ve ever seen this keyboard is by HipyoTech’s review. It was absolutely so insane, hilarious, and especially disappointing from a big brand like Logitech to even produce something LIKE this. It looks very basic, and I bet it feels basic as well.
There’s no KEYCAP or SWITCH puller, and for the keyboard modders out there, if you wanted to hotswap it for different keycap, you literally can’t. You can’t switch to any other keycap if you tried.
The software looks ridiculously mediocre and boring in my opinion. I gotta say, I have never been a fan of software. Hell, I have an Apex Pro Full from SteelSeries, and holy SHIT, it is annoying. The software has garbage I don’t use, in which the only thing I use is the “Engine” for the custom actuation points (Rapid trigger is included as well).
Overall, for Logitech, they are in hot water, and I feel like it will only get worse in my opinion in the future if they keep releasing terrible stuff like this. For the epic of $180, being nearly the price of many high-tier keyboards today like the Wooting and some of its competitors, I find that so BS and hilarious that people would buy a keyboard that probably isn’t worth its high price tag.
hey! my G710+ lasted me 11 years and i only just replaced it this year... with a non logitech keyboard
Most people consider the G15 to be the first gaming keyboard which launched in 2005. It was pretty much awesome by default and that was within 20 years! ^_^
love you honesty please never stop
It would be really nice if you could compare the Keychron Q1 HE and the Wooting!
Someone had to say it and I'm glad you did. A few years ago, I decided to go with full-setup Logitech peripherals. The keyboard I chose was the G915 in full size. The letters and numbers on the keys started to fade after a few months. For the mouse I went with the G Pro X Superlight which had some issues with the scroll wheel where I would try to scroll down but it would scroll up instead. I received a replacement mouse but it had issues with the clicks. Holding down the clicks for more than 2 seconds will result in them releasing even though I was still holding them. The third replacement was lucky, it only has some wobble but it's acceptable. The headset I bought was the wired G Pro X and after three months the sound in the left side was more pronounced than in the right one, and a week later the sound in the right side completely disappeared. I purchased the G Pro X v2 wireless headset and they make a sound as if something is scratching inside, randomly, like a popping/cracking noise. This was the last product I bought from Logitech.
i had been using a corsair hs70 wireless headset i bought when i got my first gaming pc a few years ago. when i finally tried to upgrade last year - knowing much more about pc gaming at that point - i tried the g pro x v2, partially for convenience since i was still using logitech m&k. only having to use one piece of software was alluring. however, at 100% volume on *everything* the audio was muffled & surprisingly quiet. yes, firmware/software was up-to-date & g hub was functioning as expected otherwise. returned to place of purchase to swap out & had the same problem with the second unit. returned again for a refund & decided to try the very well-reviewed audeze maxwell headset. sound quality was fantastic on those, but they had a fatal flaw (imo) in which any video, song, or media source i tried would have zero volume for the first few seconds after play/pause with no apparent way to correct it. audeze customer support was arguably the worst i've ever encountered, unfortunately. after weeks of absurd back-and-forth emails, i was finally able to return the maxwell & eventually receive a refund. ended up replacing the battery on the aging corsair unit with a higher-density cell then replaced the ear cushions & am still using it daily. --- filed under "i'm frustrated and this is good enough lol."
I still like the ergonomics on the g915, but the quality for the price is insulting, same thing with the keycaps and the battery is getting worse FAST
G915 is ass especially for the price
Wow Logitech. Just wow.
this is like the old internet explorer meme
logitech are literally 5 years too late with this thing
and the 180USD price tag is just sad man, in the pass few years keyboard have change so much, things like rainy, zoom, neo make the fancy custom keyboard become something everyone can afford, wooting completely change what gaming keyboard can be
yet this thing is just a RK with 3 time the price
I'm still using a Wooting One board I got from their Kickstarter in 2017 i think. Had a couple switches starting to wobble in the last year, found my Wooting box and there was like 8 replacement switches inside (4 clicky 4 linear). Swapped out my WASD and Space bar switches and lubed it up, good as new! My roommate has gone through 4 keyboards from Corsair, Razer, CoolerMaster, in the same time that all failed.
So, why is Logitech like this now?
The old CEO who worked closely with the old head tech executive both left. They were responsible for Logitech's success in the gaming market.
Now they have some clueless woman CEO from consumer health and beauty products companies (Unilever, Procter & Gamble, and some drugstore/convenience store corporation Ahold Delhaize).
She doesn't know tech and has no clue about gaming. And the old Chief Design Officer, Alastair Curtis, who oversaw the development of the innovation in the gaming market left with the old CEO, and now they have nobody in that role with talent and vision. Clearly.
where are they working now?
@@volgtorbg Something called VF Corporation.
Optimum x Wooting when?
now
Take all my money or my kidney i want it. ( even thought i already have the woothing 60he )
Take my McClaren!
Yea, would be curious to know timeline. That fade looks sick. Would definitely get if it’s before the Wooting80HE release.
Bro this collab is gonna kill the keyboard game. Logitech absolutely shook.
Still no g305 superlight or g703 superlight is INSANE
This is probably just a keyboard they made 5 years ago that they forgot to release
This is the problem with companies becoming so enormous. They've gotten to the size where developing a bog standard keyboard involves so much bureaucracy and micromanagement that it's 3 years behind at the time that it comes out. And then because of the R&D wasted on it, it's way more expensive than its competitors. But they can be sure it'll still sell because of brand recognition and marketing.
After waiting years for a full size 915 upgrade with USB C and optical keys, they released this new one with USB A, no upgrades and no full size. I finally bought an ASUS ROG Strix Scope II after that a few months ago and been incredibly happy with it. Had all the features I wanted and then some. Such as pre-lubed keys and sound dampening foam. Looks, feels, and sounds amazing. Still no rapid trigger mode yet.
@optimum Did you ask Wooting to give you the keyboard latency tester they are making and teased at Computex?
wooting x optimum is literally a matchmake in heaven
Yep, both obsessed with quality and attention to detail. Good combo!
I guess the TLDR with most of those vids are: you don't have money to buy Wooting? Save up and buy Wooting. You have more money and wanna buy something else that's not Wooting, you buy Wooting.
jokes aside great vid 🙏
Actually yes, there’s currently no match for wooting, except wooting
@@lostwinter5637 LMAO you ain't wrong xD
Jokes aside the only board I'm aware that's faster than Wooting is Rakka (Holy60) and they can be purchased on KBDFans but it won't be the case anymore. That's the only board that's so close to performance.
@@lostwinter5637 Magnetic switch keyboards are starting to appear like the Keychron Q1 HE
Dude, I’ve been looking at the Wooting board for a bit and was on the fence about waiting for the 80 but now I know you have a collab board coming out I now what I’m waiting for.
I wish Logitech would make a remastered version of the G19S... They used to rule the peripheral space, how the mighty have fallen.
custom keyboards are leagues above what these "gaming companies " put out
Corsair has a keyboard with magnetic switches that has variable actuation points and rapid trigger and the ability to map 2 keystrokes to one key for example a light press of the "W" key would make an in game character walk but a harder press would make them run
im not spending past $280 for a keyboard. gaming or not
Not really. In term of pure gaming competitive-ness Wooting is still on top. The typing feel are trash but you can't argue with the input responsiveness. Custom keyboard are now trying to do hall effect, but their software is more often than not pure junk and their implementation of features like rapid trigger is all over the place. Personally I'll still use a regular contact based custom keyboard for the superior typing feel because I don't need that competitive edge.
@@PSS395 QMK is great software. You can program it without having any application installed on your PC and is an open protocol, so you can as example create your own effects. Between my 200€ Keychron and my 160€ Corsair K70 mk2 there's just no comparison by how much better the keychron feels
@@PSS395 Wooting sells a custom keyboard kit, you can basically buy just the mobo. I LOVE Wooting but agree that for anything other than gaming it isn't necessarily better than a mechanical switch, but all-in-one wise Wooting is killing it.
Logitech is basically "fast fashion" in the tech industry.
Not exactly an apt comparison
@@microgamestation how so basically just copied wooting with no benefits of it just like what fast fashion does copy trend and does it worse
@@eeenshahopefully it ends with this keyboard. I still remember my g102 and boy that thing is so good at that price.
@@eeensha it's not like wooting invented 60% keyboards lol. What exactly do you claim they copied from wooting?
@@eeensha Fast fashion 'tends' to be cheaper
Quick and on point. Thanks, I was thinking about buying this I will check out more options.
it took them YEARS to fix the doubleclicking with the new optical switches on their mice.
i actually swapped from cherry MX a long time ago to optical (ironically, wooting) because of key chattering, and never had the issue again.
now imagine a company as huge as logitech wasting tons of money on RMA every year because of the mechanical switches, and doing nothing for that long when all they had to do is get optical or magnetic actuation switches.
I have bought their Left handed ergonomic mouse for 75€, which in my country is a lot mind you. First, I dont know anyone that uses main buttons swapped in their left hand, as we all learned on "right handed mouses" all our lives. After that I got the software and found the option to swap them - what that does is that it will swap the Windows settings, not the actual mouse buttons in the mouse itself! I have contacted the support about it, but the answer was basically "screw you we are not changing it". Lost all hope in logitech and wont recommend anyone their products.
I would love a wireless Wooting tbh
I'm pretty sure they said they wouldn't do it because it would chew throught the battery immediately.
I never liked Logitech products, most of them are peace of garbage. The double clicking issue is so common, im shocked they are not sued because of that.
Logitech was great especially their mice I’ve tried other companies and I can’t change
I can't believe you manage to keep increasing the set design and production quality after already reaching such a high point that is considered the pinnacle of UA-cam tech reviews. Keep it up!
The fact that the first link in the description takes people to the Wooting 60HE(which I also have and I’m very happy with it) and there *isn’t even a link to check out what Logitech shat out* speaks VOLUMES.
I don’t know what Logitech is smoking, but they gotta share
Less of a review, more of a wake-up call. 👍👍
Logitech wireless option is still far ahead than everyone else . It just works , insane battery life and zero connectivity issue like switching from lightspeed to bluetooth seamlessly
I have a g915 and its battery degraded SO fast
Not my superlight tho, so idk what thats about
Also the abs keycaps edges started completely wearing of after less than a year
I get better prices on logitech products where i live, but everything but certain mice and maybe some headsets feel like a scam by now
Thats all sweet and shit but not when this garbage product costs 180 dollars, its an overpriced 50 dollar keyboard. It brings nothing to the table that we havent had in the last decade.
Logitech are having a meeting after this shit
I doubt it. As long as their shareholders are happy they won't improve anything. Niche keyboards aren't a market that will even show up in a quarterly report.
@@XiaOmegaXNot sure their shareholders are gonna be happy when their Gaming brand dies. Stuff like this takes a while but eventually it's gonna hit their bottom line.
@@HuyV lol a failed 60% won't even make a margin difference to logitech. Gaming is 26% of their earnings report. 60% keyboards are probably 0.001% of that. It's a niche of a niche of a niche.
I'd also bet the sales numbers of this crap are meeting their corporate targets. Gamers will buy it because they dont know better.
Ah well, yet again confirming the ancient chinese proverb. "If it aint Dutch, it aint much".
putting thumb clusters on your custom wooting keyboard would take your project to the next level. Imagine wooting switches on something like a dygma defy. One giant space bar is wasted real estate on a gaming keyboard and 95% of designers/manufactures haven't realized this.
just got my wooting in and its so butter, need you to drop that custom case already!
Logitech is the next Nokia.
Lol, they're not even as successful as the OLD nokia.
Logitech is just the new corsair
Ye except Corsair still make decent PSUs and cases, Logitec relying completely on peripherals.
Nah dont insult corsair like that, they miss sometimes but they still make good stuff
Corsair has magnetic switch keyboard with rapid trigger and 8000hz.
Their only decent products are gpx superlight / gpx superlight 2 / g305 I wouldn't buy anything other than these their headsets aren't great speakers are mid keyboards are really bad
@@ciesloskyyou forgot the g303 shroud
what is the youtube ui at 0:07 ?
It's a new layout UA-cam was testing out. Premium subscribers got early access so that UA-cam could gauge how well people would adapt/like it. The comments and video description were smashed to the side, kinda like you would have on YT Shorts, and if you scrolled down to where the comments would normally be, it looked like the homepage of UA-cam with more video recommendations in the grid-like display. Needless to say people didn't respond so well to the layout. I personally wrote a review on their survey saying that while I appreciated the effort, they can fuck off. I like seeing the community over having more videos shoved in my face, if I needed that I'd just go back to the homepage or open a new tab.
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My last Logitech experience this year: I ordered a MX Mechanical and a MX Mechanical Mini. The MX Mechanical had a warped case. The Mini lost Bluetooth connection once in a while. Doesn't feel like a premium experience in my opinion.
I bought a second Keychron. I'm happy now.
the amount of riding this man is doing on wooting, is crazy. I'm here for it.
Optimum is the reason I got the wooting keyboard, and I have LOVED IT SO FAR. I honestly am glad you shared this amazing keyboard to my knowledge.
Logitech is mainstream, they make money off of their name. They dont need to make the best stuff to be on top.
That only lasts if they release quality stuff. They can stay afloat but they're going to lose market quick, as UA-camrs keep releasing these disses to them. (rFP, Badseed, etc.)
They are gonna keep losing customers though because not many people are gonna buy overpriced trash when there are so many better options now.
Illogicaltech
There were signs a few years earlier. G700 mouse - side buttons breaking, painfully low battery life. G602 - scroll wheel problems. G604 - again side buttons breaking under warranty period, and using cheap chinese omron switches which wear out and start doubleclicking just under two years. And there was K800 keyboard with build quality so bad they glued it on the inside, making simple repair such as cleaning after liquid spills to save the keyboard actually requiring regluing, or you'd have gaping holes in the seams. These are all premium products costing a lot of money. And looking for a replacement for the broken G604, it seems that top tier offerings from corsair and razer also have significant problems which are quality assurance based or engineering flaws.
This should be unacceptable, but it seems that the pandemic tanked everything down quality wise. Companies grew bold seeing people will buy crap when pushed against the wall with lack of choice. We're seeing this with other premium brands as well, see the recent ASUS controversy on RMAs which @GamersNexus reported on. Nvidia price-gouging for GPUs. Motherboards cooking CPUs because apparently nobody tests this crap. Bad time to build a PC or buy peripherals for it.
The wooting is one of the only things ive happily waited for. Have been using mine for about 6 or 7 months now and its awesome
didn't HP do this 4 years ago with the Omen optical keyboard, minus customization. Logitech didn't even catch up.
It could be cool if you make a review about the Wooting two HE keyboarde.
It's the same as the 60he but full size
I bought a high end keyboard with the special Omron keys that Logitech sell. The W key broke and because it is custom I contacted Logitech for a replacement. They don't provide them, don't even sell replacements. Would have to RMA the entire keyboard, but it was out of warranty. Not going near a Logitech keyboard ever again.
The only switches where you can adjust the trigger point would be hall effect (magnetic). Optical switches are a dead giveaway and usually used in cheaper boards. Not even a good selection of switches for optical imo.
Long ago were the days of Ncase tempered glass videos. Optimum is the go to tech UA-camr goat status
I wish all these gaming keyboards used the tsangan layout. Larger Ctrl, alt, and space. Don't need 4 keys on the bottom right
I've quit Logitech products long time ago. Gave them a try at some point when that new fancy gaming mouse was released, returned it immediately because sand-paper like "grip" is about the polar opposite of "good for RSI". Moved on to Sharkoon mice and now its just Razor Basilisk. Got everything and NO "sticky" click-of-death issues AND the famous "free spin" scroll wheel. And well, the last Logitech keyboard I bought was the G710 with MX blue switches, so thats been quite some time ago, too. These days? I'm using a Royal Kludge 98, with a bunch of fancy keycaps and the Box Jade switches waiting to be installed.
You can buy a 20 dollar rapid trigger keypad that is sometimes available for like 15 dollars, has a knob, screen, rapid trigger and 8000hz, and then there Logitech with their RK61 for 180
Congrats on your collab with a great company like wooting! Appreciate your reviews, I have had a wooting 60HE for a year now and is by far the best I have ever used. Never will be going back to anything else as well.
Logitech (like many others) is focusing on the enterprise and leaving the consumer business as their side hustle. I've noticed this especially since they've started using their BOLT technology in basically every "business" branded product they release.
I mostly ignore keyboard stuff, as I'm happy with mine. I knew wooting was a brand, but I knew nothing about the product. That rapid trigger tech is super cool
Technically rapid trigger has been a thing since the wooting 2 Lekker but it took some time for everyone else to catch on because in 2021 the only people who cared were vintage keyboard enthusiasts who knew what Hall effect switches were
Awesome content, straight to the point without any bs about sponsors, you sir have gained a subscriber.
Logitech thinking: Too big to fail. Put Logitech brand on it and make it expensive.
Remember when Logitech swapped the sensor on the G102 from the mercury to some bottom of the barrel POS one without telling anybody
I purchased a NEW G X 2 Pro Logitech headset and the Mic did not work right out of the BOX, Logitech tech services could not help me and they were very rude! I sent it back! NO MORE LOGITECH!!! 👎👎👎👎👎👎
Logitech is the perfect example of why not to be brand loyal. They used to be amazing, but just because used to be doesn't mean they are today. They've sucked for years now.
I was doing some keyboard shopping not long ago. Wanted to see what Logitech had to offer.
I am disappointed with their current inventory.
Videos like this are the reason why I watch your videos. Keep up the great content, and just reviews.
All my hardware was Logitech, and I ran to Corsair, because my mouse buttons always broke after a few months. I think I went through 6 logitech mouses before I realized Logitech isn't premium anymore. Corsair is OK, but regrettably I'm switching to the Wooting Two HE now. The tech is just too good to ignore.