It's funny how Fizzarolli became a major, complex main character in the span of 2 episodes and we still only know the basics about Millie, and Loona has been sidelined for most of the episodes. I just want another decent episode (not you, Unhappy Campers) where they kill some humans, man.
@W.Gaste The show is NAMED AFTER the fact that Blitzø runs a business that involves traveling to the human world and killing people. it's less, "Oh no, no more!" And more like,"please just get better at this."
@@mandarinsandclementines2997 I would like to see more, but so far the running gag of humanity being dumb as rocks is another joke that wore its welcome post cherubs... The "Seeing Stars" episode was the tipping point becuase its just not funny anymore, 18 minutes of wasting time, when Blitz and the rest of IMP shouldve worn disguises, and that idiot plot couldve been over in 6 minutes.
@@W.Gaster That was literally the while fucking point, and Hazbin, humans/demons, earth and hell correlating. How did people forget the whole appeal first was them being a black co,edy with their business, and a few interpersonal issues to boot. Like the Office with Imps. Now if you mean the earth plot has been shattered by the fact the people are too stupid, you're right, but ya could've just said that.
The first episode that's actually about their issues with each other is also the one where they make up, it feels too quick. They couldve made the flashback a whole episode alone
Helluva boss is just trying too hard to be a drama now. In the pilot, it was sold as a goofy episodic show, which is what I followed for. S1 continued with this with maybe 2 episodes being emotional. Now, s2 is trying too hard to be dramatic and emotional. And as you've said, They've completely lost the plot. Every other episode is about some new side character instead of IMP doing their fucking jobs. If I had known the show would just be this, I wouldn't have been so invested in it. Helluva boss is going to be just like zoophobia, where Viv just keeps introducing other characters and subplots to the point where the main characters change, and it's an entirely new concept.
Here here! It's really bad when the titled "Helluva Boss" Blitzø hasn't been the main character pushing the narrative since like Ozzie's, instead being an obligatory recurring character to others, you know the people behind the show have no idea what is going on. How criminally underused Richard Horvitz is in this series. It boggles my mind. I couldn't even finish the latest episode, since I don't see how any of this matters.
You people are comoletely obsessed with the pilot, we Saw IMP doing their work on the episodes 1,5,and 5(S2), period, ALL other chapters did other things, the premise you are asking for only existed on your imagination
@@W.Gaster Dude, a pilot is meant to be what a show is about, you don’t just make a concept but then just drop it and move on to other things. They added fizzarolli and he just became the main character basically for multiple episodes while the rest of the og cast has been thrown to the back lines with unfinished stories and no plot revolving around them, that’s bad writing.
Dramatic and emotional could work, if they actually spent time building the characters and world. If the show wants a more nuanced approach, it needs to make the pacing more natural and put the characters in more mundane events.
Fr I like him yess but bro has like - he has the show -he gets the "alt Mr Kennedy treatment" [Mammon] Has a supportive friend [but in this case he actually get bitchess] - colourful -viv probably called him a queen -le limbs Ye das it
@@ibraahimdureng7482the viewer base of any show matters. However, feeding them essentially the Twinkies equivalent of an episode, every episode, isn't good for them. It's just that part of this fanbase REALLY likes their Twinkies.
Season 2 just feels like a bunch of fanfics based on Season 1 strung together. All of the new characters just seem super fandom fuel-y and I miss the original cast. It really feels like they're just tryna speedrun different character arcs and fanservice-y scenarios and every episode plays out like a B plot
@@myball37not really, it does nit fell fanservice at all if you pay close atention to the details, and how is them been a childhood friend a wrong thing? It explains a lot of things such as how blitz got the grimoir and how stolas meet blitz
Honestly, as someone who read Zoophobia, I totally saw this coming. Viv loves to have these great premises that go no where so she can focus on some random OC she made on the spot and obsess over them instead. Even season 1 had these issues slowly pop up that got worse in season 2, like how a majority of episodes weren’t about the job itself.
Indeed. There is like 2-3 episodes thats actually associated with the main plot. Helluva Boss is like every Devianartists dream, a show that dedicated for their OCs while there isnt any proper plot line. Things just happen.
@@poumybelovedI truly don’t understand why Vivzie doesn’t make an anthology series. She clearly wants to, but instead pretends she has a protagonist and then forgets about them after a few episodes. Hazbin Hotel isn’t even out and most people think Angel Dust is the main character because of all the focus surrounding him.
I have to ask why this form of having a premise, then centralizing it on a couple of characters is a bad thing. Pretty sure almost every show does this.
@@norsehorse84 Not every show does that. Those are actually character arcs, its when a show focuses on character developments, rather then the main premise. But these characters usually help the main plot go on or you see the world building properly. But Fizzarolli’s story didnt add anything to the main storyline, we expected him to be a former antagonist and ally but he got babyfied, which it confused us. Everything was way too fast paced, this could have been happened in few episodes, developing his character and revealing the abuse he had to bear with little hints. He is probably never gonna appear in few episodes just like Verosika and Barbie.
@@poumybeloved Didn't confuse me. It seemed like Ozzie and Fizz's relationship is used to further Blitz and Stolas' dynamic. It's an arc that not only is fulfilling on its own, but is used to further the arc of other characters. I see no problems here.
Thats why when you create your own original concept, we have a 'Bible' where we keep these ideas. Vivzie taught a lot of indie artists about how important it was to do this back in 2015. And now (It feels) like shes not using it at all.......
@@Dragon-w7k9g From what I know about Viv, I think it's more likely that she has a few ideas that she wants to do, I doubt she has detailed roadmap for how the rest of the show will go.
@@Corrector1she doesn’t she had to acknowledge focusing to much on stolas and blitz and moxie and sidelining other main characters and making side characters that go nowhere and that she’s going to rewrite the remaining 2 seasons to give the female cast more development so the original plan was just going to be a yaoi series with moxie being side plot and Millie just being a wife and Loona sometimes getting a line or two
True, Stolas being injured and then all of a sudden he's alright is inconsistent but then again, who wants to believe that Western Energy ever existed anyway. In my opinion, that was the WORST episode in the series, it just had a good fight scene in it.
I think the only way I can justify how Stolas recovered so quickly (since Viv probably won't) is because he is a Goetia so he can recover from injuries quickly. Although, how could she forget to take into account his injuries or have him forget Striker when he kidnaps Fizz?
You'd think Viv would JUMP on the chance to traumatize her favorite woobie and make him timid and anxious that he'll get jumped again, but no? I guess she found another woobie (fizz)
Helluva boss season 2 feels like viv's just making shit up as she goes. This series is passed like zoophobia with money and time. She has no plan, she's just splender, I hope she learns from he mistakes.
I feel like what helluva commonly does is whenever we're supposed to be rooting for a character they write them up in the episode as this innocent person just to contrast with their abuser or the villain and it makes them act very out of character. I think viv is afraid of portraying these characters as how they actually are at all angles (or just morally gray) because people might not like them as much when it sacrifices more heavy hitting moments in the series. So like yea,, killing the characters for fanservice
And she ends up making characters wussies. Like Ozzie is such a pussy and the only reason he cares about consent is because Viv is a chicken and refuses to commit to the bit. We should've never strayed this far from the premise because Viv gets distracted easily.
"Out of character" how? I feel like basically everyone who says something is out of character is imagining a character that only exists in their head, and not realizing that anything new shown about a character didn't actually contradict what came beforehand in the show, but instead contradicts only what was in their minds.
Yeah. A writer of one of the best quests in gaming history "Blood Baron" described it best. She said "I don't like likeable characters. I like interesting characters." and this is the stuff Viv is missing here. She focuses too much now on characters being likeable rather than interesting.
@mr_red_eye I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, but to me "out of character" comes across more as short hand for "wild inconsistency and tone problems that bleeds into characters acting in ways that seem to only serve whatever plot or joke they're trying to set up in that moment". Loona, Striker, and Stella come to mind off the top of my head with this. HB has this really bad problem where they handicap their villains to the point where they aren't threatening anymore. Striker was menacing in his first appearance but Western Energy completely dismantles that and makes him a joke. Stella was mean and angry in her first handful of appearances, but never presented as stupid or dim until we see her with Andrelphus (spelling?) for.... reasons? Idk what the point is of making her a dumbass that's being puppeted by her brother. UA-camrs have dug into this one better than I possibly could, but Loona seems to go back and forth between being aggressive or accepting towards Blitz depending on, idk, the vibes?
I think they just bit off more than they could chew. HB wants to be everything at once. A comedy, drama, romance, slice of life, tragedy, etc. Which sure, a lot of great shows have aspects of all of those things, but they don’t try to focus on each one separately. Good writing means intermingling plot lines, not pushing one plot out of the way for the other. As much as I consider Viv a professional, it seems this show has essentially fallen to fans completely. By that I mean the fans love their fan service and Spindlehorse love their endless fanart lol. HB does not have great writing at all, and it pains me every time an episode releases because no matter how good the episode is in an isolated nature, it never fits in the entire puzzle that is the HB story. The fact that Viv and the team are insisting it’s best to watch the show when it’s finished versus watching it as it comes out is kind of infuriating because it just makes it seem like the story is being made up in the spot instead of having something set in stone. Stories that are supposed to make sense only at the end really only works if there’s some big mystery to be solved, or a twist that’s being set up over the entire show, but there isn’t in HB at all, surprisingly, considering my previous statement of HB wanting to be everything at once. It’s just very disappointing.
Adding this on because lol but when you said “I feel like I’m a child!” When talking about Mammon being constantly reinforced as the greedy asshole, the only thing that came to my mind was “Well that’s because a good chunk of the dedicated fanbase are probably around 14 years old.”
Final comment on the video (sorry for potential spam lol) but yeah, I do agree with you. The way S1 was set up could’ve filled all three potential seasons with story without even needing a bunch of new characters. Hell, the reason why I’m so personally disappointed in HB is because of how S1 ended. I thought the s2 opener (or episode 8 before it got delayed) was going to be about Striker fulfilling his hit on Stolas. I thought that because the story was perfectly set up for it. Blitzo and Stolas have their falling out, Stolas is left alone in his mansion, so emotionally distraught, end of season 1 and then boom! It could pick up right as it left off. Striker could attack Stolas while he’s alone and Blitzo is at the party (if you want to add episode 8 into the mix) and force Blitzo to have to save Stolas despite their previous argument. It would’ve been something compared to “Yeah let me run up into this cafe in broad daylight and kidnap a royal. Surely I can just walk out with him.” And then he does. Having Striker try to take out Stolas randomly at night is a lot more assassin like than just scooping someone up in the middle of a very public area. Speaking of, if it was never a problem for Stolas to be taken in front of a crowd, why did Striker bother with setting up a sniper’s nest in Millie’s family home? Couldn’t he just shoot him point blank in the face? Also, doesn’t the whole sniper scene no longer make sense because of Striker stating that Stolas’ wife wants him to be tortured? Oops. I love consistency.
@@jadethunderhoof288 hahahah oh how "im 14 and this is deep" hb has turn out and i think the show claims that the product is "intended for mature audiences"
@@closermercury518it does, but that’s the thing about HB. It’s maturity doesn’t come from actual mature themes but just swearing and talking about sexual topics which for the e most part, teenagers know already. A 14 year old is most likely already cussing up a storm and has talked about sex if not just simply knowing it exists. That’s why it’s a lot easier to stomach HB if you’re a younger teen vs something like Bojack. I hate to compare the two but at the same time they’re both very similar with what they want to be. But a difference between the two, for example, the drug abuse topics. Blitzo’s sister being an addict is brought up and while it is a mature topic to discuss, HB doesn’t really discuss it. Blitzo and his sister just have the quickest of back and forth before the conversation ends. It’s a very soft understanding of what an addict goes through or is. In Bojack you actually see the consequences of using, the benefits, the pain that those people may cause due to the using. Hence why it’s actually for mature audiences. HB isn’t a show to sit down and have a serious discussion about it representations of mature themes, it’s more to sit down and gloss over them in order to not make their “mature audiences” potentially uncomfortable. TLDR HB is melodrama, not drama.
man i just miss when this show mostly focused on being funny. i wanted fun murder shenanigans and dick jokes not Sad Demons Crying. i have no issue with trying to give genuine character development but when EVERYONE'S development is that they're sad woobie babies it gets kind of...tiring?
YES! The comedy was what drew me to the show in the first place, and now it's just GONE?? I could excuse a lot of the messiness of season 1 bc it was genuinely fun to watch Also, if anyone knows why Brandon Rogers is no longer writing for the show, plz tell me, I need to know
To be honest, they are literal demons, any time they cry it ruins it, they literally kill families and in canon, ruined people lives. How are you suppose to feel bad for actual murders who do it for no real reason?
This rant really puts into prospective just how scattered brained this show has gotten Like you said S1 already had a lot of plot points they could tackle and handle, but S2 just loves adding more and more characters to the cast when the already existing cast has barely been fleshed out We have the entire Stolas plot with his family, btw We don’t know how Stella is doing after her dad was in the hospital but we made sure to see how Stolas messages Blitz We got new plot of Fizz and Ozzie’s secret being officially out And which while I love them, they’re starting to just over take the show There’s also Mammon and the numerous “I’ll be back” villains from S1 There’s also also Crimson and Striker who seem to have gone from Moxie villains to Blitz villains And notice something? Notice how none of these relate/ are tied to any of I.M.P Like the only remnant of plot for IMP, is Stolas giving Blitz an Asmodean Crystal so that IMP would no longer need the Grimore But this is just a disguised Blitz and Stolas love plot of “If I give him something that makes him no longer need me, will he stay?” Instead of actually bettering IMP business and making them more efficient, as they could possibly now work on multiple jobs at once
@@amberwingtundrawing776 Yup!! We are never shown Stolas trying to contact his daughter Or a scene showing how his daughter is handling her father being heavily injuried and in the hospital He texts Blitz, Blitz leaves him on read, and then he just lays there as the episode ends No even a hint that he tried to text his daughter that he “cares for so much”
Why does the show have to be only about I.M.P? Personally, I'm far more invested in the success of Blitzo's and Stolas' relationship from a personal perspective rather than the professional one. If I.M.P was completely broke in the very next episode, it wouldn't make the premise of the show suddenly not work.
@@xmaswolf8733exactly, it's something that really bothers me. They're always trying to "highlight" how much of a good father he is: "i would never leave you", "if you touch my daughter, i will destroy you", being some examples. Yet, when it's really needed to be showed, they just don't? With how much the show says he cares more about her, you would imagine she would be the first one he would be talking to in the hospital; you'd imagine he would prioritize her and wouldn't stop looking for her when she's missing, to be in a comedy show with his side piece, talking dirty and having "romantic" scenes while she could be in danger somewhere; and that he wouldn't call the guy that is the reason of the mess that is happening in their house to be their bodyguard, just so he can flirt with him, in a day that he should be paying attention to his daughter. The show always say he wouldn't leave her for blitzo in any time given, but when you start to analyze, you notice that blitzo is way more prioritized by him than her (notice how in "truth seekers", he is way more quick to find and defend his "impish little plaything", without the grimoire, than he is to find the so called precious daughter he cares so much about in "seeing stars"). In the episodes that are supposed to show the father-daughter bonding between them, have way more time dedicated to stolas and blitzo flirting than stolas actually looking for and talking to his fvcking daughter. I'm starting to believe octavia is just a plot device to make stolas seem more sympathetic than he actually is, just to be tossed out of the story when he doens't need to be showed as a "good father" anymore, not because she actually is important to him.
Something that's strange to me is how everyone made such a big deal about Fizz and Ozzie being together since he's part of the seven deadly sins, but Beelzebub is also a deadly sin but she's dating a hellhound which hellhounds are at the very bottom of Hell's hierarchy
Probably people thinks that he is just her sexual toy, since hellhoubds are treated more like propiety, also, for her appearance we can asume that she has some conection with hellmhounds, maybe she createf them or is her leader or something so probably something on that fashion is what happens
I think actually this has an exoanation, if you see she is a hound-bee. And is the daughter of Beelzebub. She is like Beelzebub jr. Xd. So I guess her Mother (father?) is a hellhound and that's why she is a hybrid and has no problem dating hellhounds in her ring.
I've seen somewhere that the Gluttony ring is basically the ring for Hellhounds, and Gluttony is also the ring where any demon goes to just chill and have fun, where nobody judges each other. so. there's that, but not confirmed by viv
Helluva Boss shouldve just stayed as an episodic Villain of The Week esque show with IMP's assassination business. Cuz to me they clearly arent built for this serialized type of story telling The show did what most shows do in later seasons (start episodic and THEN get serious and serialized) in the span of a few episodes 💀💀💀
I knew something was wrong when they tried to make me feel emotional for Octavia, a character introduced in the SAME episode. And it was the second one.
Agreed, but have the subplot be the main storyline if you understand what I’m saying (idk how to word it, just an example would be Gravity Falls. It’s episodic in the sense they have a different adventure each episode but the main story is still present and plays out in each episode in the background and finally reaches its peaks at the end) I’m STILL waiting on the follow up regarding stolas… and seeing an episode where loona acts a fool (again) then an episode of moxie acting like a chump to then be upstaged by his wife (again) then TWO episodes of focusing on fizz.. I’m just like.. BRUH this shit couldn’t have been focused on a bit later? Or hell, even in the background amongst everything else? I think it may be their way of world building by introducing the characters and other rings but it’s not really working out that well.
Tbh as much as I love the episode with Fizz and Mammon. It came TOO soon. Especially cause you think there would be an episode with explaining how Mammon met Fizz and isolated him or managed to take over his life. And then he meets the sin of lust.
There also was just..No build up? They literally, in the same episode, introduced the new sin and their relation, then had a plot surrounding the sin and Fizz, then..Ended the episode with Fizz leaving the Sin..
@@partystarter8041 yeah I was expecting something similar to some buildup. Like what we have rn with Angel Dust and Valentino from the addict music video. Except just Fizz and the sin of Greed and their relationship
@@destiny84 I mean yeah, but you could also say that for a lot of the villains in helluva boss, we just see them and we’re told they’re a big bad that’s gonna be in the series now and then we see them get beat, random mention but reminds me of what they did with Kang in the mcu
It's the Steven Universe problem. In retrospect, you can watch the entire series more or less cohesively (disregarding bad writing and stuff). But as a fan watching as it releases, it is frustrating having to wait for months for a release, having the last release end on a cliffhanger, only for the new release to be completely detached from the last released episode. It generates frustration since the releases seem to want to be both serialized and episodic at the same time, even though that doesn't really work. The best shows usually are entirely one or the other (Regular Show being an outlier).
If is true is being done on the stop, then that's understandable just because animation takes time. But if is already produced that is just playing the suspense card and is getting old.
Honestly, I believe you are correct. None of the real criticisms people give for Helluva Boss resonate with me (enough to make me hate the show like some people do), and I think that’s largely because I don’t actually think any of the flaws with the show are enough to soil my enjoyment of it. However, I think the flaws are magnified to many people by the gaps between episodes, just like how Steven Universe- a show that I believe has relatively minor flaws- generated a massive amount of backlash purley because of a perceived lack of focus. Of course, when you go back and watch the show as a completed piece of media, you’ll know that the pacing works for what it’s trying to do. But it’s hard to see that when you don’t have the full picture. Of course, I don’t blame people for getting frustrated because of this, even if it doesn’t affect me personally. Just saying that I agree with this take and think the show’s release schedule makes it look far worse than it actually is, just like Steven Universe. Makes it hard to be a fan while the show’s running. I disagree with most shows not being able to be both serialized and episodic though. This is just arbitrary and straight up untrue, I feel. It’s not that serialized and episodic are objectively a bad combination, it just needs to be pulled off in the right balance for your show. (Plus the terms “serialized” and “episodic” aren’t exactly solid. Most shows are mixes of the two, with many leaning more toward one than the other)
For me i don't like any of the human inclusive episodes. The human characters are flat and uninteresting to me, and it feels like the show doesn't invest much importance in them. Also i hate their designs they look uncanny in the vivziepop style
I'm frankly so tired of the shipping-shit. I'm more interested in seeing Blitzo and Loona's relationship, as well as Stella and Octavia's relationship. But instead they focus on "hey, these are our favourite characters, let's dedicate two whole episodes to them because their ship is so kawaii". It feels more 'for ship's sake' than anything. I think it's corny.
Literally it's like the show started as an actual comedy with edgy jokes and now it's some cheesy romcom with romance drama and I just want to get back to the premise of the actual show
Well originally Brandon Rogers wrote the series but now it’s random people and the few episodes Viv wrote are some of the worst episodes so helluva boss needs a writing manager to keep everyone in line
Something I don't see many people talk about is the fact we got this sudden Fizz rebels/frees himself with this big huge moving moment....when the season isn't even over. When we hadn't even had episodes to actually get attached to him, see him, see the hints that he's had the issues that we find out he has. All this was just suddenly thrusted upon us and we get this big, really grand and amazing power song that wasn't deserved because we haven't SEEN practically any hints that fizz was suffering from mammon or fame before we got an episode about it. How do you build off from this? How do you make anything more moving than Fizz's 2 minutes notice? What else is there to do with them? I love this show and I'm easily entertained and satisfied by things, but this episode just felt - wrong. It wasn't time for it yet. It felt like a finale after watching them suffer for 3 seasons but it wasn't that. I could excuse the stolas thing, maybe we'd get flashbacks or just some scene that hyper-analytical minds like me will just excuse to being their character flaws. But Fizz is so new yet he's already given an impossible to overpower power ballad. We'd gotten this big amazing thing so soon and undeserved- there wasn't a story built to be so invested in yet. I want to see how this grows but I'm kind of worried Viv may not stop telling instead of showing. We were told mammon was even not shown, we were told Fizz was suffering not shown. This is why I prefer the Blitz and stolas situation, it's a story shown to us instead of simply told. The relationship is complicated but it feels more real and natural as we aren't just told this, we've been shown this to the point where we can even reason why a plothole may exist. I desperately hope that Viv will be able to keep building in their story, I want to see it, see the characters and who they are.
Also he literally has no consequences from leaving Mammon because he's supported by another sin, so it all comes off as just...not compelling at all and makes zero sense. Why should we care when there's nothing stopping him from leaving Mammon?
That'd be fun. Then there'd be less reason for all the stories to be connected. We could see the 7 deadly sins just doing whatever, see Millie and Moxie on a date, see Octavia dealing with her messed up family.
I think what made season 1 so good is that it accomplished a lot in very few episodes, and it was a nice mix of IMP just doing their job and the overarching drama of Blitz’s past and relationship struggles. I also think the overall quality of the writing was better. In season 2, there are a lot of fan service ideas that could be fun to explore, but derail the original tone that was set in season 1 - “what if blitzo and stolas met as kids?” “what if blitzo dressed up as Brandon rodgers?” “What if moxxie grew up in the mafia?” It also seems like they are rushing to introduce new characters- I appreciate unhappy campers because it’s the only season 2 episode where the IMP business is running, but it seems like Barbie wire was added in last minute. Because there are so many new plot points and new characters they want to explore, everything they set up in season 1 has been put on the back burner. That being said, I actually really like the previous 2 episodes and they give me hope that the tone of the show is recovering. I really like how fizz and Ozzie have transitioned from antagonists to allies. My one critique is I think the most recent episode could have been saved for the next season (even though it’s the best episode of season 2 so far), since we already saw fizz and Ozzie in episode 6 and fizz and blitz were left in a pretty good place, so we could have taken a break from those characters and go back to focusing on the IMP gang. Also I love your videos and your helluva boss rants are so entertaining :)
The skeptic in me thinks that one reason the past two episodes feel like an improvement is because they changed the focus to Fizz and Ozzie. Once the show gets back to the Stolitz drama or puts in another episode dealing with Moxxie's insecurities, it may fall back into the same problems.
What is a "fan service idea" and how do you distinguish between that and a "not fan service idea"? Cause all of your examples don't seem like anything that literally COULDN'T happen based on the stuff that came before it. Blitzo and Stolas meeting as kids one time didn't contradict anything that happened before, so why is that a "fan service idea"? Blitzo dressing up as Brandon Rogers doesn't contradict anything either, and is more of a fun gag than anything substantial to the episode it's in, so what's the problem? Moxxie growing up in the Mafia not only doesn't contradict anything, but it actually recontextualizes what happened before in Season 1 better, such as Moxxie's exception of killing a "shitty dad or mob family" as well as answers why he's so good with firearms and weaponry compared to Millie being more melee focused and Blitzo being the "all-rounder" of the group. Seriously, nothing you're saying sounds like fan service, so either you're really screwing the pooch on this, or your definition of what is fan service versus non fan service is different than mine.
@@norsehorse84 You make a good point- My definition of fan service is when a show does things to appease fans instead of sticking to what would make the best story. For example, correct me if I’m wrong (I might be), but I think I read somewhere that Vivzie got the idea for the circus episode from a fan fiction about blitz and Stolas as kids. Now there’s not anything necessarily wrong with her getting inspiration from her fans (if it’s true, that’s actually pretty cool) but I do think it added an unnecessary layer of detail. All we need to know at this point is that Stolas is in love with Blitz, and Blitz is held back from reciprocating because he feels like Stolas is using him, class differences, his past relationship issues, etc. In my opinion, the childhood scenes in the Circus did not change any of this that was already established about their characters in season one. I do think the scene with them first meeting as adults and the end part of the episode with Stolas’ song and his argument with Stella are actually valuable because we learn how trapped Stolas feels in his life and why his affair with Blitz was so liberating. My issue with Exs and Ohs is kind of the same as my issue with the Circus where I think it gave unnecessary backstory to Moxxies character. Moxxie’s character was perfectly outlined in season 1-he’s an argumentative know-it-all, but at the same time is cripplingly insecure and seeks people’s (mainly Blitz’s) approval. Why do we need the extra details of him having been in the mafia? I guess you could argue that his upbringing and abusive father are why he’s so insecure, but why can’t we just accept these character traits without the backstory? To your comment about it being a reference to the first episode where he’s talking about “a shitty dad or a mob family” I literally had forgotten about that until I watched analysis videos about exs and ohs- to me, it was just a one-off joke and not a foreshadowing. Yes his backstory does explain why he’s so good with weapons, but I think it would have been more interesting if they didn’t explain it and just left it up to the audience to think about where he got his skills. I could be biased because I’m just not a fan of when shows use backstory/flashbacks to to fill in gaps that didn’t need to be filled in, but I still stand by my opinions. And lastly, about Blitz dressing up as Brandon rodgers… I actually thought it was funny, and I love when shows break the fourth wall. My problem isn’t the joke itself, but just how weird it is to have this plot after the bombs dropped in Ozzie’s. It wouldn’t have been as weird if this was just something Blitz did on his own and Stolas wasn’t there. So to conclude, there’s nothing inherently wrong with these ideas, it’s just the fact that they all distract from everything that was set up in season 1 and the backstories don’t add much to what we already knew about these characters. (sorry I wrote an essay I just think about HB way too much lol)
@@Corrector1Honestly I do have the same concern, they are really entertaining and a cute couple, so it’s possible they saved the entire season, lol. But actually the most recent episode has made me really excited to see what happens with Blitz and Stolas. I wonder has seeing how healthy and genuine Fizz and Ozzie are with each other convinced Blitz that the same is possible for for him and Stolas? Does he even want to have a relationship with Stolas? I’m so excited for the next episode to see if they do anything with this. I’m also really curious about if these relationships between imps and royals are illegal in some way?? Or is it just reputation damaging?? What Mammon said to Ozzie at the end made me wonder if there some governing body in hell that they will get in trouble with. It’s also possible that we won’t learn anything about the government of hell in HB because they may be saving that for hazbin 🫠
As i was scrolling the Helluva Boss tag on Tumblr, i only saw talk about Fizz and Ozzie. And i kind of went, "oh, so they're the new main characters huh?" I just imagine Vivi got tired of people calling Blitz and Stolas toxic so we just have them but healthy. Wouldnt be a bad thing, but yeah, we are so far from the s1's scope
@@norsehorse84 You do realize that main characters can actually shift, right? While it's rarer, it's still possible and there are prob more examples I can't think of right now. Chainsaw Man: Asa is pretty much the new main character, she has the prominent focal point, Denji is still in it, he'll always be the main base char in the series but its been switched to Asa in part 2, as Denji's more of a correlating/side char to herself. So the confusion isn't _that_ bizarre.
id really like them to focus on verosika again, i think it would be super interesting to explore her and blitzs relationship because i really liked her in spring broken but that was literal years ago and the writers have already introduced more new characters than like every minute verosika was on screen in her intro episode i also think they could have the dhorks and cherubs team up or something but i dont think they will
Yeah it's absolutely insane that Blitz decided to try and patch things up with fizz, a guy he hadn't spoken to in 15 years, than verosika, a woman he dated within the last 5 years and scorned.
@@RandoSando. tbf fizz and blitz were childhood best friends, + it turned out that unlike with verosika, blitz's falling out with fizz wasnt just blitz deliberately sabotaging the relationship
From the looks of the schedule for season 2, I feel like "apology tour" is going to focus on verosika. I just hope they don't ruin her character... (・-・;)ゞ
Mammon deserves more than just to be a Valentino copy- he has the potential to be a really cool and interesting villain, but I will be genuinely surprised if Viv actually writes him as such.
Crimson referring to Ozzie as the “weakest sin” makes me laugh: HE STOOD UP TO ANOTHER DEADLY SIN. Also, Ozzie can TELEPORT, he could’ve just teleported to Crimson and killed him. Also, how come Stolas merely touching a blessed-weapon took away his powers, but being stabbed by one doesn’t? The show has amazing moments but they’re all ruined or held back by bad writing. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
I believe it means from Crimson's perspective; we know from episode 3, especially from how he treats his wife and son, that he finds this sort of affection a sign of weakness. I don't think it's meant to literally mean he is the physical weakest of the sins. As for teleportation, I kinda wish it was touched on explicitly but we don't see him teleport to any location that he can't see or doesn't know. I doubt he could've just teleported to Crimson as he wouldn't know where he was. I'm also pretty sure we haven't explicitly seen him teleport between rings either.
@@dplonker6140 I thought the same thing, but that “competition” was held in the Greed Ring, and Ozzie goes to comfort Fizz THERE. Honestly, It makes sense considering they’re rulers of Hell so I don’t see why they can’t travel between rings if IMPS are allowed to. Except for “sinners,” but I guess Lucifer himself forces them to stay in Pride… somehow. In the Bible, he wanted Humanity to worship him like they did with God, so in Hazbin/Helluva universe, he got what he wanted. If Hazbin doesn’t confirm this then I’ll lose my mind.
@@cassiushellsin6243 He can definitely travel between them, it's just a question of whether he can teleport there. We don't see him teleport back to Lust when he leaves at the beginning of the ep 7, so he likely stayed in Greed - especially considering that he came to comfort Fizz later.
this show is cute and everything, but sometimes it has the writing quality of a indulgent fanfiction. like the whole getting kidnapped and held ransom by someone ozzie can literally squish like a bug is very fanfiction-y
I'm certain others have pointed it out as well but I'll say it again here: Helluva Boss is an example of a show that wants to appeal to fandom first and fandom only. The writing feels as though there is a different source material that is loosely referenced here and there but ultimately is just meant to give into the niche ideas that strum the heartstrings of the already established fangirls and fanboys. I was a Helluva Boss fan at one point. Even participated in fandom and genuinely enjoyed the fanfics. But that's the thing, I want my source material and fandom to be separated and Helluva Boss does not do that and it's fustrating!
im sorry and im here for ya also same the headcanons respect their resources more than the canon lemme be a delulu as i only consider the non-canon as the legit ones
For me, it was really odd that when Blitzø and Stolas were kids and were "playing" pirate, there wasn't any consequences. Like, Blitzø stole a BUNCH of valuable and throw it to his father and it was never mentioned again - they didn't get rich after that so they get caught and his father was executed and that's why he isn't around anymore? Or Blitzø was caught after some time? Or Stolas just talked it out? Or Paimon is so proudful he is blind to this? I don't think so, I would realize if half of the values vanishes from a palace like that! Maybe I wrote too much for a tiny thing, but come on, they were basically robbing an Ars Goetia and they get away with it? Nah. And okay, maybe there will be something about it in the future, but it is too far from that one episode now.
Viv has admitted this hut you really can tell she had some episodes and ideas planned for certain characters from the start but she just wings it with everything in between its all about the idea and not the execution of said ideas with her
Viv got bored of her premise 5 episodes in and just wants to have queer Demons doing queer soap opera drama stuff. If the writers couldn't use Loona due to her V.A's real life troubles - why not make an episode about that? Like instead of Stolas getting hurt (which ends up being pointless because he's all fine 2 episodes later) have it be LOONA who gets hurt? Maybe she has a serious allergic reaction to her Hellbies shot and is hospitalised? It would add weight to the not-makeup in Seeing the Stars where now her life is in peril due to analphylactic shock.
That’s a better idea have her nearly die and because she is a powerful royal she is going to be in a hospital for months so she can be removed until the va is ready to return
For that specific suggestion they would have to take Hellbies as a serious issue and not just "lmao look its loona abusing her father for the 500th time" because going from that to Loona possibly dying would be insane tonal whiplash. I do like that idea though.
The sheer amount of characters being introduced reminds me of Homestuck. Anyone whos read that insane comic knows JUST HOW MANY characters are in it. Im still pissed with how the Dancestors were treated, but with all the characters that were already in there, i can see why they were shafted. But at least Homestuck still kept to its characters inside its completely innocuous and absurd story. Somewhat
Honestly. . . I'm not a big fan of Fizz and Ozzie. Their relationship feels too perfect and neither character has been fleshed out enough for me to really care about them. The way they interact with each other reminds me of a fluff au fanfic or something. It's not bad per se it's just. . . kind of juvenile. I don't feel compelled to root for a relationship with a) characters I don't care about and b) a relationship that's too perfect. I feel like even with the three episodes we got of Fizz, I know nothing about who he is as a person. The show has veered so far off course and although I did enjoy the mid season special somewhat, it kind of cemented for me that this show probably won't be anything more than edgy s*x joke humor and shallow plots. Entertaining, sure, but I'm getting tired of it
Then stop watching? There are plenty of shows that can scratch that itch you want. This apparently isn't it, so why waste the energy waiting for it to be something you want it to be, but clearly isn't?
@@closermercury518 There is no false advertising though. The premise is the same as it's always been. All they are saying is they don't like what types of stories the premise is being used for.
@@norsehorse84 btw not to dis ya pilot is literally no longer part of the premise ik it's a pilot but this first aired helluva boss animation IS TO PRESENT what is the animation all about therefore pretty much first impression of the premise ofc this is the advertised product but they thought "what r guys nuts we didn't thought of the pilot ofc we definitely planned to go for the uwu's and yeeeeeep an adult show that no teen(or other young hearts) can digest"
@@closermercury518 My comment still stands. Nothing you've said has disproven anything I've said. You just didn't like the direction they took with the premise, but the premise is still intact.
I do say that the newest episode was good but even I admit, why do they keep adding Blitz into episodes that he doesn't belong in? OOPS is a great example but the newest one is the greatest example of why lazily writing Blitz into an episode just to make him forgettable, does not work or help his character in anyway.
@@flask223 we've never could have guessedヘ（。□°）ヘ iiiii mean with all these many introduced characters having the same depth or hammered down theme in every duration of each episode release, i couldn't tell as an audience of whom i shall root for, for further character depth which compares to a slope of a still water
BFDI was made by middle schoolers(I think they're adults now), and it has 2 completed seasons and 2 more in progress and it still has better pacing and lore management than HB did in in an entire halve of a season. I'm not sure how to feel about that. One thing I find weird is how the fandom treats the show like it's the best thing ever written, even though several other media has done nearly everything better, For incompetent villains for example, In portal 2 we have Wheatley, who was quite literally designed to be dumb, who gets put in charge of the facility by Chell (the player) and gets a power trip(and also probably gets over run by the AI in Glados's body). Another example would be Starscream in Transformers, who's entire existence is to be an incompetent villain and a goofball, He wants to be the leader of the Decepticons, but rarely ever actually gets that chance because of his own stupidity, And when he does he gets so wrapped up in his head it leads to his downfall. One comic shows Starscream getting into first command but is unable to win any battles against the Autobots, which causes him to become demoralized each time and it later breaks him, then Megatorn gets resurrected and taunts Starscream about his failures to the point where he wanted Megatron to kill him. I could go on and on but I think you get the point.
LOL, you are right about BFDI. TPOT (season 5) had bad episodes, but after that the recent episodes did fix many problems the series previously had, meaning that the creators do listen to criticism.
First, love ur use of media! I loved BFDI, Portal, and Transformers! Second, I think the reason why fans love the show so much is cause it feels like Viv is writing it to cater to them, either be Fan service, Ships, or adding new characters for hype or sub plots. And as much as I think Ozzie and Fizz are very cute, I think it should have either been built up THEN we get that episode, or just wait and finish the other subplots. But one thing I am worried about, and have heard this from a few others is just the fandom in general being so, not really toxic? But kinda very aggressive. Viv can do everything and it will not be enough, people can point out flaws and it will cause drama, people will like it and etc etc. The big issue with this show is Fandom, Writing/pacing, and mistakes and un-met promises. It’s a ticking time bomb. There is too much going on, and not enough people working on finding fixes or not enough episodes or seasons to fix said problems. Honestly I have to agree with people saying it should have stayed an episodic villain of the week. And it gradually over maybe the last two seasons? (There is 4 seasons) they can build up on the show. Props to Viv for breaking the industry for indie animation, but hope she can figure out how to quell the monster she created, without it blowing up and affecting her other show.
Honestly ever since that episode with Loona, the Hell Hound dude and his gf and that pop song and the singing, I had a feeling that it was going downhill from there.
I don't remember who said this but, starting off your cartoon as fun episodic adventure and then suddenly becoming serious for the sake of being serious is insanely dumb. Helluva Boss was advertized as fun, lighthearted filler show while we wait for Hazbin Hotel featuring silly imp man and his goofy bussiness, but literally we got like 4 episodes in 2 whole seasons where that's the case. I'm not saying you can't be serious in a fun show, but it's been soap opera from episode 2, season 1
I watched shows that can be funny and serious at the same time, mostly because jokes were not typical teenager humour. But some jokes are just way too forced and random. Moxxie’s past was interesting for example, but d1cks on the wall joke messed up that moment. Very nice concepts but very poor execution. Some episodes were actually good, murder family, loo loo land, cherub, truth seekers were all great. But the rest is just.. weird
That’s why I started watching and S1 has become something of a comfort show for me. I don’t hate the second season, but I haven’t really seen it since my first time watching it
I only ever watched the show with a friend because we both agreed it was bad and something to laugh at but by episode six of season two it wasnt even enjoyable to make fun of it was just bad. Not to mention, Viv and her fan's responsose to criticism just makes it so boring to have conversations about
The issue is a lot of it isn’t bad. Like, so many of these beats would be fantastic in a show that actually had a goal in mind. A lot of scenes divorced from their context are fantastic. It’s just the fact they have no bloody idea how to push a character to change / have an arc. For instance: Bojack Horseman isn’t brilliant because people break down a shit load. It’s fantastic because those moments happen in response to real attempts at change or moments of realisation for characters. You see them dig their own pits into hell, wallow in it, and then their attempts to, fingers bloodied, claw their way out. Helluva just has the wallowing.
@@realdaggerman105 your take is actually good the characters only acknowledge that there's something to be upset about, but the show's depth is just so temporary that i can tell how the development process is not that intelligent or seriously believes audiences are not going to think about stuff so, even if the characters did try to help themselves from what's bothering them for so long(or rather on the spot cuz the episodes is really like "viewer just in case i left you the dark, this is the problem for today mmmkay, im just gonna put a red arrow to these encircled red flags~ seeee im a good writer") the episode just ends "it's eazzy ya guys like ik i put myself in a deep pit buuuut i saw an escalator to my problems" that kind of conveniences
I’m probably gonna agree with almost everything you say so I’ll just share my opinion about ep 7 (mainly ep 7 cause everything I could say about s2 has already been said). It’s highs are hella high (pun non-intended) and it’s lows are so low. The creepy ex fizzstan was easily the worst part about the ep. I know he’s meant to be annoying and a “commentary” on toxic stans but the fact that he is the ONLY demon to harass fizz and attacks his person even though his level of fame (especially considering his lower fame during his circus day’s compared to now) there should be multiple people at the very least. Also apparently creepy guy is either meant to be a persona for the people who criticize viv, or could be a persona of a stalker she had. I wish the other contestants in the clown competition should’ve also gotten some attention other than glitz and glam cause it looks like both fizz and the twins are the only one’s competing. It might’ve made the ep more cluttered but it’d make fizz constantly panicking about the competition make more sense. There could’ve been scenes of all the other background contestants berating fizz and (maybe) each other, doing their acts, and mammon chooses who continues to the next round(?) then have the ending only being glitz and glam vs. fizz. A great example of how the competition could’ve been done is in My Little Pony Equestria Girls: Rainbow Rocks (my god that’s a long-ass title) the scene for the song “Under Our Spell” is such a great way to have a lot of competition and have them be eliminated in one sequence so that way the finals aren’t cluttered and have the protags and villains have a final stand-off. The payoff we get for fizz and ozzie’s relationship being revealed is an amazing amount of support?? Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy that everyone in the audience was hella supportive but the buildup of the audience judging them or the hypocrisy argument was completely forgotten about with the audience basically being like “YAY SHIP CONFIRMED”. I hope they address the hypocrisy again cause for stolitz to be judged criticized and actually have consequences while fizzie just gets off scot-free is just, why. Edit: So apparently when glitz and glam got crushed by a rock at the end of ep7 they didn’t die meaning that both them and mammon will be returning in future episodes, meaning we’re getting 3 more reacquiring villains… *great* 😐
At this point, I'm confused about how that universe even works. In HH, Charlie being optimistic and caring about her people gets her ridiculed and insulted right to her face because apparently, it doesn't matter how powerful and high-ranking you are if you aren't an asshole. Every explanation I've seen for this has said that demons only respect assholery and evil, and see you as weak if you don't exhibit those traits. Okay, that makes sense. But then in HB, 2 of the Seven Deadly Sins have been shown to actually be pretty decent people and they aren't getting disrespected left and right. Beelzebub is dating an individual from the lowest class in Hell and steps in to stop people from getting too fucked up on booze and food, instead of just letting them ruin themselves like you'd think the Sin of Gluttony would do. Everyone seems to be cool with her. Beyond that one line from Crimson about Asmodeus being the weakest Sin, he still gets a unanimous round of applause and support from the audience when he publicly declares his love for an imp. An audience in Greed, which seems to have the most brutal violence and scummy stuff happening in it aside from Pride, even if the demons in Greed aren't sinners and don't necessarily have to be evil. Shouldn't more of those demons in the crowd unironically be on Mammon's side and think the love is cringey? And then there's Stolas who apparently will get in social and possibly some kind of demonic legal trouble for being involved with an imp and lending him the grimoire. It's all over the place.
Firstly, why does there NEED to be more than 1 creepy fan? For the story's purposes, 1 fan was enough. Second, why does there NEED to be more emphasis on everyone else in the clown pageant? Especially when it's clearly shown that it's merely a backdrop to the more central theme of employer abuse? Third, the difference in reception on Fizz and Oz being a couple versus Stolas and Blitz has many different answers. I'm not gonna speculate which one they go with, but the biggest ones I've seen was the framing of Oz protecting Fizz from a sin in public granting him a sort of respect among the audience, and the other explanation is, to the regular people of Hell, it isn't a big deal at all. It's only a big deal to the uppity Royals. Fourth, just because Glitz and Glam are potential villains now doesn't mean they're gonna be used as main villains in an episode. In fact, they're more than likely just gonna be lackeys of Mammon if they show up again. And even if they were somehow built to be threats by themselves, what's the issue?
@@nohomonohetero7932 only people who are getting things either factually incorrect, or are thinking their particular preferences or fan theories not being met is a problem with the show, rather than the show just not being for them.
The main issue I have with Vivian is that she has a clear focus on a few characters and will hyper focus on them while forgetting about others - especially the characters that identify as women. There’s no equal development. Millie is still waiting for more development (unhappy campers was a pathetic attempt at Millie character development) meanwhile Fizz has already had a fair chunk of character development with his two episodes this season. Helluva is a mess because some characters have so much dimension and others have been neglected. It’s so frustrating to watch!!
Also I always appreciated your videos ForcedPositivity, I respect that you have unbiased opinions. If you say something negative, it's not because you're jumping on a bandwagon. If you say something positive, it's not because you're trying to placate the... frankly rabid fanbase. I used to think the show was interesting, I loved Truthseekers. It was such a cool exploration of Blitz's character, now... what the fuck is he even doing in season 2. There's a flashback for him, then he has a zany adventure on Earth, gets beaten up by his daughter, fucks Moxxie/Millie's ex, 'he can get hurt?', does not reconcile with his sister, but does reconcile with Fizz. He doesn't feel like the main character anymore.
How does he not feel like the main character anymore? Is the main character supposed to have the most screen time and lines in literally every single episode? He still feels like the main character to me. What am I missing here?
what rubs me diffrent is the fact that helluva boss isn't about I.M.P anymore; i love learning all the lore and such but it's just kinda everywhere, then I gotta wait months for more story and itll not even be followng the same point, they put ozzy fizz in-between learning about stolas and blitz and the IMP hasn't really been around at all because we're so side tracked with ozzy Izzy is coooooollll and all it's just very scatterbrained
@@Featheryfaith7 I've completely given up on it, I can't handle the pain of another show I love declining, rick & morty, the walking dead, Dallas.. all shows I loved that went right down the tubes
The lame excuse of "Helluva Boss is for the boys and Hazbin Hotel is for the girls" is just jarring. Why can't Viv just.. develop her characters? I can't believe we know more about Fizz, more than we know about Millie/Loona.
i def agree with you on their inconsistencies in wrapping up character arcs and addressing conflicts in the series. when striker showed up and was revealed to be working with crimson, i felt super underwhelmed because it just feels like they suddenly remember certain characters exist and then just throw them in the script along with an entirely new threat and it's just ???? also when you said that the show isn't even blitzø focused anymore, i felt the exact. same. way. everything now just feels unplanned and rushed. like the people writing it can't decide if they want it to be a romance show or an action-comedy show :// the only episodes i liked so far in s2 was the latest one and that's really only because of the fish girls' song. mammon felt underwhelming too (mostly design-wise)
vivzie does have a character problem and likes them too much. the reason why Chaz died is too show that "no character is safe from death" but that doesn't make sense because Chaz has only been shown in 1 episode and there's nothing interesting about him so how is the audience going to get scared or shocked about chaz dying. also remember those bitchy jester twins (I'm pretty sure their names are Glizz & Glam) who hate fizz well apparently the writers confirmed that they'll be coming back. like don't get me wrong I do like the glizz & glam but I feel like they should've been a background character or a onetime character who had a major role in an episode but was never seen ever agian because the last thing this show needs is more characters (especially villains who aren't a threat to the characters)
Judging from the titles for the upcoming episodes for Season 2, it seems like the cherubs and dhork are gonna be absent in season 2. I mean the dorks alone feel like pretty pointless antagonists as 1, Helluva Boss mostly takes place in hell and 2, there are plenty of instances where the imp are out in public with no issue heck in Unhappy Campers, Moxxie and Millie were in the human world for a week with no sign of dhork.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Dhorks come back, but the question is if their reappearance will be anything interesting or contribute to a long term plotline, or if it'll just be a one-off. The variety of antagonists in season 1 makes it feel like the writers were throwing things at a way to see what stuck, and the dhorks ended up getting left by the wayside.
It’s really frustrating for me because I personally have loved Vivzie’s stuff since I was a pre-teen, during her hazbin hotel livestreams and the creation of the pilot. And when helluva boss first came out, I was so excited and I loved it so much. But it feels like everything I loved about it is slowly getting sucked out of the show. I wish it just stuck with episodic villain of the week stuff, with most episodes surrounding IMP carrying out a hit, with emotional beats sometimes, when warranted. But instead now it’s like a “serious drama” with so much in your face kinda mid comedy that ruins the tone of any kind of tension. And I’m sorry, as much as I like Fizz and his relationship with Asmodeus… why is he suddenly a main character?? Like Vivzie, fix your already flawed main characters before suddenly shoving your background OC you’re all of a sudden fixated on to the forefront.
Woah you are totally right! Something was irking me in ep 6 OOPS, and i couldn't put my finger on it.. you made me realize it was A) jumping to a totally healed Stolas (without any mention of the trauma or recovery) and B) Stolas sees Striker in the ransom clip! And has virtually no reaction, just his "oo I like words" bit Now that I have it pieced together, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Thank you for your service
Y'know, now that I think about it Helluva Boss should have started on Blitzo's Journey to establish his company. Blitzo would be this eccentric character who kept taking risks and leads him to crazy hijinks in an episode would be fun. We could explore how Blitzo met Moxie then how Moxie met Millie, their relationship blooms. And if it came up to the point where Blitzo have to get the Grimoire from Stolas, then once he gets it made a deal, see Moxie and Millie's genuine love makes him question his relationship with Stolas and as always he avoids those feelings, (Will be one of the mysteries of the series, that gets unravelled along the way.) Then Loona gets adopted, then so on and on.
This is how you'd properly put the supposed found family theme of HB into effect! By building things up slowly, having the cast bond and learn things along the way together. Truly character driven! As of now, the plot just has no direction. In S1 for awhile though, the found family theme was being reinforced- now I can't see anything but Stolitz & melodrama in the plot
When Blitzo had his emotional trip based on events and characters we met in other episodes (along with some foreshadowing) in episode 6 I cried for hours When Fizz quit his job and left his abusive boss that he apperantly had for 15 straight years I felt nothing
The pacing is crazy in Helluva boss. It’s like they want to get all their good ideas out right away instead of making everything make sense. D.O.R.K.S. should’ve been at the end of the series, it would’ve been a great ending plot and wrapped up the series nicely. They should’ve made Asmodeus’ and Fizz’s relationship become public later in the series because it would’ve made for some better plot points or episode ideas. Also, Blitz and Fizzy’s relationship should have been slower too. That way, they could’ve delved deeper into everything and instead of the “My mom died in a fire so I have it worse/equally bad” thing was a shit way to fix their friendship. It seems like the Helluva boss team is just way too excited and it makes the series feel confusing, unsatisfying, and frustrating.
this is kinda the problem I had with Disenchantment season 2, they took an episodic approach with 50 different irrelevant side-plots while not having any connective tissue between the episodes
To build on your one piece comparison, one thing that I've noticed about not just Helluva, but a LOT of shows that are story driven is this need to BE story driven for. Like. No real reason. Without a proper hook, either. Like, for example, Gravity Falls has a good hook. Dipper wants to find the author of the journals and solve the big mysteries of gravity falls. Horse in Centaurworld wants to get back home. Kid Cosmic wants to become a superhero by collecting the cosmic stones. But with Helluva Boss, there was no hook. It was a concept designed to be episodic, I'm sorry but it really felt like that. The pilot and first few episodes didn't feel like they were setting up a story, they felt like they were supposed to make you laugh, first and foremost. But now, there's just this complete lack of focus ENTIRELY. Like. What even is the main plot supposed to be? Usually there's a main plot, with little b plots and threads around it that go around and get tied up eventually, but what is the main plot for Helluva and what isn't? I remember when Owl house came out, everyone was so excited to see ThE StOrY!!1 And assuring me it was there and it was good, and I watched season 1 and only saw like, little threads here and there, but nothing that could make a true story. No hook. No end goal for Luz and the rest of the cast, besides maybe getting rid of Eda's curse but that was introduced like, well into the first half of the season. It feels the same here, like they want to have a story because they feel obligated to, not because they actually have any meaningful story to tell. The whole thing feels like Vivienne wants to just use it as her tool for worldbuilding and showing off her hell concepts that won't be explored in Hazbin. If that was always the intention, then let me ask, why, WHY would it be presented and pitched as an episodic comedy that takes place mostly in the human world? I can only hope now that they're not writing episode to episode and have a set structure to follow, things will smooth themselves out in the following seasons. GOD I hope so cause I'm so tired of being annoyed with this show.
I wish I could find the tweet or whatever to confirm this, but the reason Loona hasn't appear outside of literally just Shooting Stars is actually apparently because they couldn't afford her in the budget at the time. Both Vivz and Erica talked about this, but due to the budget they decided not to give Loona any lines if she didn't need to speak, which ends with a season of 7 episodes, and her appearing in only one episode. ...Also, Vivz couldn't afford Erica for these past episodes but she could afford Ozzie and Fizz's VAs for two episodes huh...? It makes it clear that instead of working with the base characters she's just adding more characters, some of which with big Broadway voices that require big money. Not a sound business model, really.
When you put it like that… its telling that Viv can miraculously afford Ozzie and Fizz’s voice actors. Yet, in the same breath, struggled to afford having Erica voice Loona in S2? Sounds like she’s doing a poor job at handling her budget for the show when it comes to voice actors.
It’s such a poor excuse. If you can’t afford voice actors then you recast. For some reason they could recast Striker’s voice actor, but they can’t possibly find another for Loona?
Somebody could've been Loona, but Viv is actually known to have ADHD and it really shows. She can't think straight at times and has an attention span, and I think that's what she was afraid of when she can't write at times. My theory is Blitz might be based on her since at times she pushes her fans away, but however, it's justifiable with she has people lying about her. Some they say is true and some are not. What I will say is true about Viv if she isn't perfect and that she makes poor decisions for herself. She probably feared Brandon Rogers being a competent writer which is why she replaced him in season 2 with an insecurity that he's better than her. Just my theory. It's no excuse to have a new writer that is terrible at writing. That might also be the reason why Zoophobia got cancelled in the first place. It's not a bad comic in my opinion and I actually enjoyed the comic for what she wants this comic to be.@@xerox1084
Viv's the one who had been hiring big names, should've just hired indie actors because if they can't afford making the show and pay the actors then it's on Viv for that as she literally wasted the budget.
Having small VAs aren't a bad thing. Although, people like Brandon Rogers and Alex Brightman have good talent, However, in case she can't pay them, she should replace them like what she did with Norman Reedus when she replaced him with Edward Bosco who voices Striker. And that's because she didn't have enough money to get Norman back or because he was dealing with stuff. She could've had someone voice Loona but she chooses not to.@@artistanthony1007
Personally, I think the newest episode is the best one so far. I loved how much of an asshole Mammon was, 3/4 of the songs were an absolute bop, and I felt for Fizz. There was so much to enjoy. You make some fair points and I appreciate the honestly here, I'm just bummed that, being a fan, we disagree quite a bit. But it is what it is.
Helluva Boss feels like it was made with its target audience in mind- Terminally online teenagers whose brains have been fried by 10 second long TikTok videos on their fyp. Helluva Boss feels designed to be fandom service first, and an actual story second. As far as characters go, there's a lot of potential. As far as plot progression goes, this show has been unequivocally, a complete and utter failure and embarrassment.
The most recent episode was conpletely lacking emotional nuance. It just hammers in the fact that mammon is awful and the imp is being treated bad, and it just repeats for 30 minutes
good thing I abandoned the show after "Western Energy" I'm tired of all my favorite shows slipping into shit, season 2 has been on a steep decline and this comment just confirms that I was right.
THANK YOU! I swear when I saw nobody complain I though I just got sick of soap operas from watching the DC shows until I realized that the characters said "mammon is bad" like 11 times and every conversatión took like half a minutes more than it needed to.
The show's lack of focus is an interesting argument since I heard that Vivienne had ADHD, which is often characterized by focus difficulties. I imagine people with similar neurosis might have a different take on the idea. To anyone who has ADHD, I hope you won't take offense to my statement, I just thought that it was an interesting thing to bring up.
I have ADHD, and I don't take offense. However, I can tell you that if Viv has ADHD, then the fact she is able to even look over and create 2 different shows is already a herculean feat. I don't know why no one in the comment section is even acknowledging that, regardless of how much you like or dislike this show, Viv's success is commendable.
@@norsehorse84 I think people take more offense to Vivienne's behavior on social media. Apparently, she has a tendency to get in an argument with some of her followers.
You're pretty spot on with the season thing. Vivzie has made a tweet confirming Helluva Boss is going to have four season. "Helluva is a very set 4 season story. We are very far from the end but very determined to tell it one way or another 💖"
I'm gonna sound like a jerk and i might get torn apart by hardcore Helluva fans but i honestly dont care about Fizzarolli and Asmodeus's relationship. Like yeah its nice and all and im glad they are supportive of each other but I'm not invested in their story. My opinion aside though, I'm not sure how its important we know about their relationship.😅 Like I personally care more about seeing the IMP business and their missions on Earth. Or just make the show for shits and giggles and not make it so serious? Also can't take Crimson seriously at all and Striker as well now. But Honestly, at the end of the day , we should respect each other's opinions about the show. I see some videos where people are offering ACTUAL criticism and they get completely destroyed by fans. Just let people critic. As long as its fair of course and not disrespectful. The shows entertaining though and i really like the art.:)
Season 2 is such garbage. The whole moxie having a gangster dad and a traumatic childhood don't make sense. Mr mob boss should have just been a mob boss. The entire episode makes zero sense and i really hate it. Plus it also made Millie less enjoyable. And just over all it was shit. Id honestly prefer most of season 2 be deemed non canon like how the pilot is non canon. Such as the episode stollas gets caught. It destroyed striker. Absolutely obliterated him because "hah dick joke funny" I hope season 3 is a massive improvement.
A good example of shows straying away from their original cast while still keeping its charm I would say would be morel orel. like moral orel wasn't a big show by any means and actually was cur early but when it did go out of its was to expand the cast by giving more lore to the towns people one thing it did was not rush to focus on one character or priorize them like helluva boss. Idk just wanted to share
YEAH, THAT!!! Moral orel didnt just randomly give one-off characters a backstory like HB, there was a reason behind every episode and the backstories made sense, and thats how you make a good show. Its actually pathetic to compare such a great series like Moral Orel to the dumpsterfire that is helluva boss.
@@Dragon-w7k9g I wouldn't say I hate them all, I just don't like any of them, with the exception of Unhappy Campers which I hate and the most recent one I liked
I haven't watched the video yet but I need to put this out there for the most recent episode: Why didnt Fizzaroli try to help glitz and glam? They didnt really have any longstanding fights they were just pitted against each other, and if your boss sucks you didn't even want to mention like "hey I know this looks like a cool job but mammon exploits people" before leaving?? No?????????? So we didn't spend like half the episode establishing fizz is nice and caring for others & his fans to drop them right???? I dont know. It just feels like they keep adding characters for spectacle without actual care in the storylines.
Fizz was afraid if he loses the job, he loses everything, even Ozzie. He got fame and a loving bf because of Mammon so helping his rivals wouldn't really make sense
@@promethiada Yeah but after the fuck you song? Im not saying he had to help them like get them out of there but it felt weird for them to have no resolution with him. Yes they were his rivals but once he quit, then what? Does he still hate them just cause Mammon pitted them against each other?
It feels like they want all of the drama with none of the building. When people write characters, they know them in and out. The audience however, doesn't. It feels like the writers want to write all the angst and drama out of developed characters and skip all of the work to get there
The way I see this show is like…like a child growing up. Back in season 1, the show was originally intended to be the funny, no-stakes sideshow to the ACTUAL show, Hazbin Hotel, with THAT being the place for genuine emotional and character moments while Helluva Boss would just be shits and giggles. To me, season 1 is the show's childhood - it's silly, it's goofy, it has its real moments but it's mostly held together by this air of naïveté, the idea that nothing going on really matters. By the end of season 1, though, it became clear that that wasn't what was happening, that the show was going to develop its own identity and tell its own actual story. S2E1 was when the show first started to realize that things DID matter - Stolas's voice crack as he sings "Owl in a Cage" is, to me, the voice crack of a kid hitting puberty. This wasn't going to be just a goofy side show after all, there was a story here that was all its own, removed from the "main" show, and it realized it needed to acknowledge that, explore it, find out where this was actually going. Right now, the show is trying to find its footing and figure out its own identity, season 2 is the show's awkward teenage years where it's not quite sure what it's doing or what it's trying to be. This means the episodes feel unbalanced, uncomfortable even, it's trying things as it works to find what a meaningful existence would be for it. Personally, I feel like the last two episodes have been the most comfortable the show has been in its own skin all season, and I think that's because they were spent taking a step back from the show's original premise to experiment with some new characters. Heck, in this last one, Blitzø felt like he was LITERALLY only there because "he's the main character", he was not needed for any of it. When we do eventually return to I.M.P., it's going to go back to being awkward, because now that the show sees what it can be, it needs to apply it to its own self, to what it originally set up. But, I have hope that it will grow and develop, and that by season's end, we'll have a mostly-matured entity that can at least pursue a direction with focus. To bring my interpretation back to the content of this video, I think it's telling that you couldn't really pin down what the thesis statement of this show was at the start, like, what is the main character's end goal? It was because the show didn't really have one to begin with, and it didn't think it wanted or needed to have one. Now, though, things have changed, we're in the middle of a transition, and that's why I'm being patient and just enjoying the ride, flaws and all. If season 3 rolls around and things are no better, THEN I'll start giving this show side-eye, because at that point it'll be the adult who refuses to get a job or even TRY to move out of its parents' house. It's okay to be awkward and uncertain when you're in a developmental phase, but that phase can only last so long.
This is kinda why I am much more excited for Hazbin Hotel because we won’t have as much of a ridiculous amount of characters, plus, that was suppose to be the main course of the Hellaverse, with Helluva Boss being a smaller side dish
We are all so mad at the show for the same reason: it COULD be good. The sad reality is that it won’t. It’s depressing asf cause there are such simple ways to make it good
I think a huge detail is that all of season 1 was written by only Brandon and Viv. Season 2 has a few episodes written by Viv, but there are also other writers that are brought in randomly to do other episodes. "Seeing stars", "Exes and Ohs", and "Unhappy campers" were all written by one Adam Neylan, and all other episodes were written only by Viv. That could be a big reason why the writing doesn't feel consistent. In a show where the course of the show isn't planned out beforehand, it's imperitive to have the writers be consistent so the narrative can still remain somewhat cohesive.
*Meanwhile Octavia still exists somewhere*
and Loona.
Octavia only exists when the writers need to show Stolas' "good" side.
@@PlanetZoidstarOctavia is still important in the context of the show, and stolas does have good qualities
@@denysvision Octavia is barely acknowledged outside of her episodes.
What are Stolas' good traits exactly?
@@PlanetZoidstar Blitz's lover?
It's funny how Fizzarolli became a major, complex main character in the span of 2 episodes and we still only know the basics about Millie, and Loona has been sidelined for most of the episodes. I just want another decent episode (not you, Unhappy Campers) where they kill some humans, man.
Please, no more human world, human world in helluva is a torture
@W.Gaste The show is NAMED AFTER the fact that Blitzø runs a business that involves traveling to the human world and killing people. it's less, "Oh no, no more!" And more like,"please just get better at this."
@@mandarinsandclementines2997 and what if we just run with what actually IS the seryes plotline, the blitzø's various dramas?
@@mandarinsandclementines2997 I would like to see more, but so far the running gag of humanity being dumb as rocks is another joke that wore its welcome post cherubs... The "Seeing Stars" episode was the tipping point becuase its just not funny anymore, 18 minutes of wasting time, when Blitz and the rest of IMP shouldve worn disguises, and that idiot plot couldve been over in 6 minutes.
@@W.Gaster That was literally the while fucking point, and Hazbin, humans/demons, earth and hell correlating. How did people forget the whole appeal first was them being a black co,edy with their business, and a few interpersonal issues to boot. Like the Office with Imps. Now if you mean the earth plot has been shattered by the fact the people are too stupid, you're right, but ya could've just said that.
I wish that Blitz and Fizzaroli's rivalry went on a little longer, like at least being solved in the third season.
Yeah the pacing is wayy too fast kinda the same thing Rick and Morty suffers from.
@@ibraahimdureng7482 Yeah, unfortunately
The first episode that's actually about their issues with each other is also the one where they make up, it feels too quick. They couldve made the flashback a whole episode alone
@@amberwingtundrawing776 RIGHT💯💯💯💯💯💯
Yeah but then it would be just misunderstanding after misunderstanding
Helluva boss is just trying too hard to be a drama now. In the pilot, it was sold as a goofy episodic show, which is what I followed for. S1 continued with this with maybe 2 episodes being emotional. Now, s2 is trying too hard to be dramatic and emotional. And as you've said, They've completely lost the plot. Every other episode is about some new side character instead of IMP doing their fucking jobs. If I had known the show would just be this, I wouldn't have been so invested in it. Helluva boss is going to be just like zoophobia, where Viv just keeps introducing other characters and subplots to the point where the main characters change, and it's an entirely new concept.
Here here! It's really bad when the titled "Helluva Boss" Blitzø hasn't been the main character pushing the narrative since like Ozzie's, instead being an obligatory recurring character to others, you know the people behind the show have no idea what is going on. How criminally underused Richard Horvitz is in this series. It boggles my mind. I couldn't even finish the latest episode, since I don't see how any of this matters.
You people are comoletely obsessed with the pilot, we Saw IMP doing their work on the episodes 1,5,and 5(S2), period, ALL other chapters did other things, the premise you are asking for only existed on your imagination
@@W.Gaster Dude, a pilot is meant to be what a show is about, you don’t just make a concept but then just drop it and move on to other things. They added fizzarolli and he just became the main character basically for multiple episodes while the rest of the og cast has been thrown to the back lines with unfinished stories and no plot revolving around them, that’s bad writing.
Dramatic and emotional could work, if they actually spent time building the characters and world. If the show wants a more nuanced approach, it needs to make the pacing more natural and put the characters in more mundane events.
After the mammon episode, I realized that viv is turning fizz into the exact same character as angel dust.
Fr
I like him yess but bro has like
- he has the show
-he gets the "alt Mr Kennedy treatment"
[Mammon]
Has a supportive friend [but in this case he actually get bitchess]
- colourful
-viv probably called him a queen
-le limbs
Ye das it
I hadn't noticed that...at this point I'm not even irritated anymore, just disappointed with this writing
I'm going to call it now. They are going to repeat the same plot with Angel Dust.
Pretty much angels story complete with a happy ending
@@imposter609 Who are you referencing by saying "Mr Kennedy"? Just curious and googling it brings up a wrestler.
I think just adding more and more characters helps feed the fandom
God help them because the cult of a fandom will have a mary if they don't if they don't get their stolitz they will have a literal mary
@@dylancashen5922mary?
Who cares about the fandom just ignore them they don't matter.
@@ibraahimdureng7482the viewer base of any show matters. However, feeding them essentially the Twinkies equivalent of an episode, every episode, isn't good for them. It's just that part of this fanbase REALLY likes their Twinkies.
@@jadethunderhoof288 so true and they will have a mary if they don't get what want right
Season 2 just feels like a bunch of fanfics based on Season 1 strung together. All of the new characters just seem super fandom fuel-y and I miss the original cast. It really feels like they're just tryna speedrun different character arcs and fanservice-y scenarios and every episode plays out like a B plot
oh my god this is so real especially s2 e1 like they should not have been childhood friends thats an awful thing to add at the start of season 2
Facts
What is "fanfiction" about this season and why is that automatically a bad thing?
@@myball37not really, it does nit fell fanservice at all if you pay close atention to the details, and how is them been a childhood friend a wrong thing? It explains a lot of things such as how blitz got the grimoir and how stolas meet blitz
A very amateur fanfic
Honestly, as someone who read Zoophobia, I totally saw this coming. Viv loves to have these great premises that go no where so she can focus on some random OC she made on the spot and obsess over them instead. Even season 1 had these issues slowly pop up that got worse in season 2, like how a majority of episodes weren’t about the job itself.
Indeed. There is like 2-3 episodes thats actually associated with the main plot. Helluva Boss is like every Devianartists dream, a show that dedicated for their OCs while there isnt any proper plot line. Things just happen.
@@poumybelovedI truly don’t understand why Vivzie doesn’t make an anthology series. She clearly wants to, but instead pretends she has a protagonist and then forgets about them after a few episodes. Hazbin Hotel isn’t even out and most people think Angel Dust is the main character because of all the focus surrounding him.
I have to ask why this form of having a premise, then centralizing it on a couple of characters is a bad thing. Pretty sure almost every show does this.
@@norsehorse84 Not every show does that. Those are actually character arcs, its when a show focuses on character developments, rather then the main premise. But these characters usually help the main plot go on or you see the world building properly. But Fizzarolli’s story didnt add anything to the main storyline, we expected him to be a former antagonist and ally but he got babyfied, which it confused us. Everything was way too fast paced, this could have been happened in few episodes, developing his character and revealing the abuse he had to bear with little hints. He is probably never gonna appear in few episodes just like Verosika and Barbie.
@@poumybeloved Didn't confuse me. It seemed like Ozzie and Fizz's relationship is used to further Blitz and Stolas' dynamic. It's an arc that not only is fulfilling on its own, but is used to further the arc of other characters. I see no problems here.
Viv has always had this problem. She has interesting ideas but she overstuffs her shows with way too many characters and subplots
Thats why when you create your own original concept, we have a 'Bible' where we keep these ideas. Vivzie taught a lot of indie artists about how important it was to do this back in 2015. And now (It feels) like shes not using it at all.......
Considering that the show is a planned 4-season story, I think all the character arcs and subplots would be solved eventually.
@@Dragon-w7k9g From what I know about Viv, I think it's more likely that she has a few ideas that she wants to do, I doubt she has detailed roadmap for how the rest of the show will go.
@@Corrector1she doesn’t she had to acknowledge focusing to much on stolas and blitz and moxie and sidelining other main characters and making side characters that go nowhere and that she’s going to rewrite the remaining 2 seasons to give the female cast more development so the original plan was just going to be a yaoi series with moxie being side plot and Millie just being a wife and Loona sometimes getting a line or two
@@Vanished584 how can I use bible properly?
Helluva boss needs a consistency writer
That and a complete rewrite of whatever the show has left.
it used to be brandon rogers but he stopped writing for the show after season 1
They need a continuity Manager
Cuz it seems like they're writing very railroady (on the spot)
@@secretlyanevilcatwizardcoincidence? I THINK NOT
And Viv having less control, she did write Western Energy herself after all.
I think now the plot of the entire series is "I'll be back" or "you'll regret this" and 100% Spanish love drama .
I see no problem with this.
True, Stolas being injured and then all of a sudden he's alright is inconsistent but then again, who wants to believe that Western Energy ever existed anyway. In my opinion, that was the WORST episode in the series, it just had a good fight scene in it.
I think the only way I can justify how Stolas recovered so quickly (since Viv probably won't) is because he is a Goetia so he can recover from injuries quickly. Although, how could she forget to take into account his injuries or have him forget Striker when he kidnaps Fizz?
You'd think Viv would JUMP on the chance to traumatize her favorite woobie and make him timid and anxious that he'll get jumped again, but no?
I guess she found another woobie (fizz)
I was mainly impressed that moxxie actually managed to be competent for once in that episode
@@CannibalisticRapscallion from one gay character, to another. Wow, were going so fast... we forgot Moxxie/Millie even existed.
@@Vanished584 She took a detour to bi moxxie and then forgot
Helluva boss season 2 feels like viv's just making shit up as she goes. This series is passed like zoophobia with money and time. She has no plan, she's just splender, I hope she learns from he mistakes.
"Hope they learn" ...been saying that for 8 long ass years now.
She will never learn because she is not interested in changing or learning because this path has served her well. Why change or learn?
Season 2 feels more like some sort of Angsty Uwu Yaoi Fanfic.
Mid-season more like mid season
Helluva Mid
miduvva mid
Midmida mid
Mid.
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I just realized Octavia only shows up in the second episode in both seasons and then just disappears
I feel like what helluva commonly does is whenever we're supposed to be rooting for a character they write them up in the episode as this innocent person just to contrast with their abuser or the villain and it makes them act very out of character. I think viv is afraid of portraying these characters as how they actually are at all angles (or just morally gray) because people might not like them as much when it sacrifices more heavy hitting moments in the series. So like yea,, killing the characters for fanservice
For sure, these characters are getting completely smoothed around the edges so that they're undeniably sympathetic
And she ends up making characters wussies. Like Ozzie is such a pussy and the only reason he cares about consent is because Viv is a chicken and refuses to commit to the bit. We should've never strayed this far from the premise because Viv gets distracted easily.
"Out of character" how? I feel like basically everyone who says something is out of character is imagining a character that only exists in their head, and not realizing that anything new shown about a character didn't actually contradict what came beforehand in the show, but instead contradicts only what was in their minds.
Yeah. A writer of one of the best quests in gaming history "Blood Baron" described it best. She said "I don't like likeable characters. I like interesting characters." and this is the stuff Viv is missing here. She focuses too much now on characters being likeable rather than interesting.
@mr_red_eye I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, but to me "out of character" comes across more as short hand for "wild inconsistency and tone problems that bleeds into characters acting in ways that seem to only serve whatever plot or joke they're trying to set up in that moment". Loona, Striker, and Stella come to mind off the top of my head with this. HB has this really bad problem where they handicap their villains to the point where they aren't threatening anymore. Striker was menacing in his first appearance but Western Energy completely dismantles that and makes him a joke. Stella was mean and angry in her first handful of appearances, but never presented as stupid or dim until we see her with Andrelphus (spelling?) for.... reasons? Idk what the point is of making her a dumbass that's being puppeted by her brother. UA-camrs have dug into this one better than I possibly could, but Loona seems to go back and forth between being aggressive or accepting towards Blitz depending on, idk, the vibes?
the lack of consistency in season 2 has a lot to do with the fact that brandon isn't writing for the episodes anymore
Could be hope they get a better writer.
he litreally is?
@@ronancer nah he helps with the story production but he doesn't write the episodes
@@secretlyanevilcatwizard ohh damn i didnt even notice that
He helped in writing Episodes 6 & 7
I think they just bit off more than they could chew. HB wants to be everything at once. A comedy, drama, romance, slice of life, tragedy, etc. Which sure, a lot of great shows have aspects of all of those things, but they don’t try to focus on each one separately. Good writing means intermingling plot lines, not pushing one plot out of the way for the other. As much as I consider Viv a professional, it seems this show has essentially fallen to fans completely. By that I mean the fans love their fan service and Spindlehorse love their endless fanart lol. HB does not have great writing at all, and it pains me every time an episode releases because no matter how good the episode is in an isolated nature, it never fits in the entire puzzle that is the HB story. The fact that Viv and the team are insisting it’s best to watch the show when it’s finished versus watching it as it comes out is kind of infuriating because it just makes it seem like the story is being made up in the spot instead of having something set in stone. Stories that are supposed to make sense only at the end really only works if there’s some big mystery to be solved, or a twist that’s being set up over the entire show, but there isn’t in HB at all, surprisingly, considering my previous statement of HB wanting to be everything at once. It’s just very disappointing.
Adding this on because lol but when you said “I feel like I’m a child!” When talking about Mammon being constantly reinforced as the greedy asshole, the only thing that came to my mind was “Well that’s because a good chunk of the dedicated fanbase are probably around 14 years old.”
Final comment on the video (sorry for potential spam lol) but yeah, I do agree with you. The way S1 was set up could’ve filled all three potential seasons with story without even needing a bunch of new characters. Hell, the reason why I’m so personally disappointed in HB is because of how S1 ended. I thought the s2 opener (or episode 8 before it got delayed) was going to be about Striker fulfilling his hit on Stolas. I thought that because the story was perfectly set up for it. Blitzo and Stolas have their falling out, Stolas is left alone in his mansion, so emotionally distraught, end of season 1 and then boom! It could pick up right as it left off. Striker could attack Stolas while he’s alone and Blitzo is at the party (if you want to add episode 8 into the mix) and force Blitzo to have to save Stolas despite their previous argument. It would’ve been something compared to “Yeah let me run up into this cafe in broad daylight and kidnap a royal. Surely I can just walk out with him.” And then he does. Having Striker try to take out Stolas randomly at night is a lot more assassin like than just scooping someone up in the middle of a very public area. Speaking of, if it was never a problem for Stolas to be taken in front of a crowd, why did Striker bother with setting up a sniper’s nest in Millie’s family home? Couldn’t he just shoot him point blank in the face? Also, doesn’t the whole sniper scene no longer make sense because of Striker stating that Stolas’ wife wants him to be tortured? Oops. I love consistency.
@@jadethunderhoof288 hahahah oh how "im 14 and this is deep" hb has turn out
and i think the show claims that the product is "intended for mature audiences"
@@closermercury518it does, but that’s the thing about HB. It’s maturity doesn’t come from actual mature themes but just swearing and talking about sexual topics which for the e most part, teenagers know already. A 14 year old is most likely already cussing up a storm and has talked about sex if not just simply knowing it exists. That’s why it’s a lot easier to stomach HB if you’re a younger teen vs something like Bojack. I hate to compare the two but at the same time they’re both very similar with what they want to be. But a difference between the two, for example, the drug abuse topics. Blitzo’s sister being an addict is brought up and while it is a mature topic to discuss, HB doesn’t really discuss it. Blitzo and his sister just have the quickest of back and forth before the conversation ends. It’s a very soft understanding of what an addict goes through or is. In Bojack you actually see the consequences of using, the benefits, the pain that those people may cause due to the using. Hence why it’s actually for mature audiences. HB isn’t a show to sit down and have a serious discussion about it representations of mature themes, it’s more to sit down and gloss over them in order to not make their “mature audiences” potentially uncomfortable. TLDR HB is melodrama, not drama.
@@jadethunderhoof288HB just masquerades as a “mature” show.
man i just miss when this show mostly focused on being funny. i wanted fun murder shenanigans and dick jokes not Sad Demons Crying. i have no issue with trying to give genuine character development but when EVERYONE'S development is that they're sad woobie babies it gets kind of...tiring?
YES! The comedy was what drew me to the show in the first place, and now it's just GONE?? I could excuse a lot of the messiness of season 1 bc it was genuinely fun to watch
Also, if anyone knows why Brandon Rogers is no longer writing for the show, plz tell me, I need to know
Sad demons crying is WILD
But fr tho, wtf r they doing yk
@@Alto-hf6rddamn I was wondering why it wasn’t funny anymore. Brandon Rogers not writing anymore explains it
the show was never funny
To be honest, they are literal demons, any time they cry it ruins it, they literally kill families and in canon, ruined people lives. How are you suppose to feel bad for actual murders who do it for no real reason?
This rant really puts into prospective just how scattered brained this show has gotten
Like you said S1 already had a lot of plot points they could tackle and handle, but S2 just loves adding more and more characters to the cast when the already existing cast has barely been fleshed out
We have the entire Stolas plot with his family, btw We don’t know how Stella is doing after her dad was in the hospital but we made sure to see how Stolas messages Blitz
We got new plot of Fizz and Ozzie’s secret being officially out
And which while I love them, they’re starting to just over take the show
There’s also Mammon and the numerous “I’ll be back” villains from S1
There’s also also Crimson and Striker who seem to have gone from Moxie villains to Blitz villains
And notice something?
Notice how none of these relate/ are tied to any of I.M.P
Like the only remnant of plot for IMP, is Stolas giving Blitz an Asmodean Crystal so that IMP would no longer need the Grimore
But this is just a disguised Blitz and Stolas love plot of “If I give him something that makes him no longer need me, will he stay?”
Instead of actually bettering IMP business and making them more efficient, as they could possibly now work on multiple jobs at once
Wait Stolas really tried to call his side piece before his daughter, while he was on life support...
@@amberwingtundrawing776
Yup!! We are never shown Stolas trying to contact his daughter
Or a scene showing how his daughter is handling her father being heavily injuried and in the hospital
He texts Blitz, Blitz leaves him on read, and then he just lays there as the episode ends
No even a hint that he tried to text his daughter that he “cares for so much”
Why does the show have to be only about I.M.P? Personally, I'm far more invested in the success of Blitzo's and Stolas' relationship from a personal perspective rather than the professional one. If I.M.P was completely broke in the very next episode, it wouldn't make the premise of the show suddenly not work.
@@xmaswolf8733exactly, it's something that really bothers me. They're always trying to "highlight" how much of a good father he is: "i would never leave you", "if you touch my daughter, i will destroy you", being some examples. Yet, when it's really needed to be showed, they just don't? With how much the show says he cares more about her, you would imagine she would be the first one he would be talking to in the hospital; you'd imagine he would prioritize her and wouldn't stop looking for her when she's missing, to be in a comedy show with his side piece, talking dirty and having "romantic" scenes while she could be in danger somewhere; and that he wouldn't call the guy that is the reason of the mess that is happening in their house to be their bodyguard, just so he can flirt with him, in a day that he should be paying attention to his daughter.
The show always say he wouldn't leave her for blitzo in any time given, but when you start to analyze, you notice that blitzo is way more prioritized by him than her (notice how in "truth seekers", he is way more quick to find and defend his "impish little plaything", without the grimoire, than he is to find the so called precious daughter he cares so much about in "seeing stars"). In the episodes that are supposed to show the father-daughter bonding between them, have way more time dedicated to stolas and blitzo flirting than stolas actually looking for and talking to his fvcking daughter. I'm starting to believe octavia is just a plot device to make stolas seem more sympathetic than he actually is, just to be tossed out of the story when he doens't need to be showed as a "good father" anymore, not because she actually is important to him.
Eh...it may all get fleshed out still.
Something that's strange to me is how everyone made such a big deal about Fizz and Ozzie being together since he's part of the seven deadly sins, but Beelzebub is also a deadly sin but she's dating a hellhound which hellhounds are at the very bottom of Hell's hierarchy
Probably people thinks that he is just her sexual toy, since hellhoubds are treated more like propiety, also, for her appearance we can asume that she has some conection with hellmhounds, maybe she createf them or is her leader or something so probably something on that fashion is what happens
I think actually this has an exoanation, if you see she is a hound-bee. And is the daughter of Beelzebub. She is like Beelzebub jr. Xd. So I guess her Mother (father?) is a hellhound and that's why she is a hybrid and has no problem dating hellhounds in her ring.
I've seen somewhere that the Gluttony ring is basically the ring for Hellhounds, and Gluttony is also the ring where any demon goes to just chill and have fun, where nobody judges each other. so. there's that, but not confirmed by viv
So much yapping in these replies
@@doubleaabattery7562 tbh you're right
"I love angst...so, what if it was just sad?"
- Vivienne Medrano on writing.
Edit: no cap, that is LITERALLY something she said.
lmaoo that makes spindlehorse bad at writing sad stories then
@@closermercury518what’s ur pfp from
@@Innerpandora itz someone else's fanart of mangle
@@closermercury518 may I ask who’s art it is, also last night I binged a bunch or FNAF lore videos so I actually know who mangle is (I think)
@@Innerpandora cool and fnaf is mess but scott tend canonize the fandom(dat why the fandom is so loved;)) anyway itz from mirth's meme
Helluva Boss shouldve just stayed as an episodic Villain of The Week esque show with IMP's assassination business. Cuz to me they clearly arent built for this serialized type of story telling
The show did what most shows do in later seasons (start episodic and THEN get serious and serialized) in the span of a few episodes 💀💀💀
fr, the show suffers from a serious case of rapid onset cerebus syndrome LOL
I knew something was wrong when they tried to make me feel emotional for Octavia, a character introduced in the SAME episode. And it was the second one.
Agreed, but have the subplot be the main storyline if you understand what I’m saying (idk how to word it, just an example would be Gravity Falls. It’s episodic in the sense they have a different adventure each episode but the main story is still present and plays out in each episode in the background and finally reaches its peaks at the end) I’m STILL waiting on the follow up regarding stolas… and seeing an episode where loona acts a fool (again) then an episode of moxie acting like a chump to then be upstaged by his wife (again) then TWO episodes of focusing on fizz.. I’m just like.. BRUH this shit couldn’t have been focused on a bit later? Or hell, even in the background amongst everything else? I think it may be their way of world building by introducing the characters and other rings but it’s not really working out that well.
That would be horrible since the episodes focused on that are allways the WORST ones
@@W.Gaster aye shouldnt you be shattered across time and space
Tbh as much as I love the episode with Fizz and Mammon. It came TOO soon. Especially cause you think there would be an episode with explaining how Mammon met Fizz and isolated him or managed to take over his life. And then he meets the sin of lust.
There also was just..No build up?
They literally, in the same episode, introduced the new sin and their relation, then had a plot surrounding the sin and Fizz, then..Ended the episode with Fizz leaving the Sin..
@@partystarter8041 yeah I was expecting something similar to some buildup. Like what we have rn with Angel Dust and Valentino from the addict music video. Except just Fizz and the sin of Greed and their relationship
@@destiny84 I mean yeah, but you could also say that for a lot of the villains in helluva boss, we just see them and we’re told they’re a big bad that’s gonna be in the series now and then we see them get beat, random mention but reminds me of what they did with Kang in the mcu
It's the Steven Universe problem. In retrospect, you can watch the entire series more or less cohesively (disregarding bad writing and stuff). But as a fan watching as it releases, it is frustrating having to wait for months for a release, having the last release end on a cliffhanger, only for the new release to be completely detached from the last released episode. It generates frustration since the releases seem to want to be both serialized and episodic at the same time, even though that doesn't really work. The best shows usually are entirely one or the other (Regular Show being an outlier).
If is true is being done on the stop, then that's understandable just because animation takes time. But if is already produced that is just playing the suspense card and is getting old.
Spot
Spot on!
Honestly, I believe you are correct. None of the real criticisms people give for Helluva Boss resonate with me (enough to make me hate the show like some people do), and I think that’s largely because I don’t actually think any of the flaws with the show are enough to soil my enjoyment of it. However, I think the flaws are magnified to many people by the gaps between episodes, just like how Steven Universe- a show that I believe has relatively minor flaws- generated a massive amount of backlash purley because of a perceived lack of focus. Of course, when you go back and watch the show as a completed piece of media, you’ll know that the pacing works for what it’s trying to do. But it’s hard to see that when you don’t have the full picture.
Of course, I don’t blame people for getting frustrated because of this, even if it doesn’t affect me personally. Just saying that I agree with this take and think the show’s release schedule makes it look far worse than it actually is, just like Steven Universe. Makes it hard to be a fan while the show’s running.
I disagree with most shows not being able to be both serialized and episodic though. This is just arbitrary and straight up untrue, I feel. It’s not that serialized and episodic are objectively a bad combination, it just needs to be pulled off in the right balance for your show. (Plus the terms “serialized” and “episodic” aren’t exactly solid. Most shows are mixes of the two, with many leaning more toward one than the other)
I dream of a show that's just IMP, I'm really interested in the human imp interactions and how they effect the human world n stuff
For me i don't like any of the human inclusive episodes. The human characters are flat and uninteresting to me, and it feels like the show doesn't invest much importance in them. Also i hate their designs they look uncanny in the vivziepop style
@@flask223 They look like basic western cartoons, really.
@@flask223 I hate the humans in the show.
@@flask223 imo it would be cool if the humans had a different art style to represent how different they are to Hell.
@@ShinGhidorah17 It doesnt even match the style of the demons.
I'm frankly so tired of the shipping-shit. I'm more interested in seeing Blitzo and Loona's relationship, as well as Stella and Octavia's relationship. But instead they focus on "hey, these are our favourite characters, let's dedicate two whole episodes to them because their ship is so kawaii". It feels more 'for ship's sake' than anything. I think it's corny.
I just wish it went back to an adult comedy instead of some Angsty Yaoi Fanfic.
Literally it's like the show started as an actual comedy with edgy jokes and now it's some cheesy romcom with romance drama and I just want to get back to the premise of the actual show
Viv confirmed that the show will have 4 seasons, but that will mean a lot more waiting meaning people are gonna lose interest after awhile 😬
I feel like the show for 4 seasons would take a whole decade to actually finish.
DANG FOUR SEASONS
I heard that after Hazbin Hotel finishes the animators are going to help animate Helluva Boss so the production of episodes will speed up faster.
@@Dragon-w7k9gseason 1 of hazbin has already finished production
@@newdawnhorizon9879yeah they are now working on season 2
You know a popular show has gone downhill, when the fans are starting to make better content of it.
Yep i agree
Well originally Brandon Rogers wrote the series but now it’s random people and the few episodes Viv wrote are some of the worst episodes so helluva boss needs a writing manager to keep everyone in line
Are you talking about the good fanfictions or the alternative web shows?
@@sonicmastersword8080 Yes.
Just like RWBY.
Something I don't see many people talk about is the fact we got this sudden Fizz rebels/frees himself with this big huge moving moment....when the season isn't even over. When we hadn't even had episodes to actually get attached to him, see him, see the hints that he's had the issues that we find out he has.
All this was just suddenly thrusted upon us and we get this big, really grand and amazing power song that wasn't deserved because we haven't SEEN practically any hints that fizz was suffering from mammon or fame before we got an episode about it. How do you build off from this? How do you make anything more moving than Fizz's 2 minutes notice? What else is there to do with them?
I love this show and I'm easily entertained and satisfied by things, but this episode just felt - wrong. It wasn't time for it yet. It felt like a finale after watching them suffer for 3 seasons but it wasn't that. I could excuse the stolas thing, maybe we'd get flashbacks or just some scene that hyper-analytical minds like me will just excuse to being their character flaws. But Fizz is so new yet he's already given an impossible to overpower power ballad. We'd gotten this big amazing thing so soon and undeserved- there wasn't a story built to be so invested in yet.
I want to see how this grows but I'm kind of worried Viv may not stop telling instead of showing. We were told mammon was even not shown, we were told Fizz was suffering not shown. This is why I prefer the Blitz and stolas situation, it's a story shown to us instead of simply told. The relationship is complicated but it feels more real and natural as we aren't just told this, we've been shown this to the point where we can even reason why a plothole may exist. I desperately hope that Viv will be able to keep building in their story, I want to see it, see the characters and who they are.
If you have been on the fandom you'll notice they attach fast into characters. So fleshing and development aren't important on the show.
Also he literally has no consequences from leaving Mammon because he's supported by another sin, so it all comes off as just...not compelling at all and makes zero sense. Why should we care when there's nothing stopping him from leaving Mammon?
With the way the series shifts gears so much, you’d think it would be better to just the show be an anthology series.
Probably would be a decent anthology series if it wasn't for Blitz being shoehorned in or Vivz claiming the show to be male-centric.
I like anthology shows.
That'd be fun. Then there'd be less reason for all the stories to be connected. We could see the 7 deadly sins just doing whatever, see Millie and Moxie on a date, see Octavia dealing with her messed up family.
@@helluvafreak
This
This exactly
she would be good at analog horror
I always thought Helluva Boss was about showing the other rings of hell since Hazbin Hotel happens in the pride ring only
I think what made season 1 so good is that it accomplished a lot in very few episodes, and it was a nice mix of IMP just doing their job and the overarching drama of Blitz’s past and relationship struggles. I also think the overall quality of the writing was better.
In season 2, there are a lot of fan service ideas that could be fun to explore, but derail the original tone that was set in season 1 - “what if blitzo and stolas met as kids?” “what if blitzo dressed up as Brandon rodgers?” “What if moxxie grew up in the mafia?” It also seems like they are rushing to introduce new characters- I appreciate unhappy campers because it’s the only season 2 episode where the IMP business is running, but it seems like Barbie wire was added in last minute. Because there are so many new plot points and new characters they want to explore, everything they set up in season 1 has been put on the back burner.
That being said, I actually really like the previous 2 episodes and they give me hope that the tone of the show is recovering. I really like how fizz and Ozzie have transitioned from antagonists to allies. My one critique is I think the most recent episode could have been saved for the next season (even though it’s the best episode of season 2 so far), since we already saw fizz and Ozzie in episode 6 and fizz and blitz were left in a pretty good place, so we could have taken a break from those characters and go back to focusing on the IMP gang.
Also I love your videos and your helluva boss rants are so entertaining :)
same (*´∇｀*) the previous 2 episodes give me a lot of hope that the season is getting better too
The skeptic in me thinks that one reason the past two episodes feel like an improvement is because they changed the focus to Fizz and Ozzie. Once the show gets back to the Stolitz drama or puts in another episode dealing with Moxxie's insecurities, it may fall back into the same problems.
What is a "fan service idea" and how do you distinguish between that and a "not fan service idea"? Cause all of your examples don't seem like anything that literally COULDN'T happen based on the stuff that came before it.
Blitzo and Stolas meeting as kids one time didn't contradict anything that happened before, so why is that a "fan service idea"?
Blitzo dressing up as Brandon Rogers doesn't contradict anything either, and is more of a fun gag than anything substantial to the episode it's in, so what's the problem?
Moxxie growing up in the Mafia not only doesn't contradict anything, but it actually recontextualizes what happened before in Season 1 better, such as Moxxie's exception of killing a "shitty dad or mob family" as well as answers why he's so good with firearms and weaponry compared to Millie being more melee focused and Blitzo being the "all-rounder" of the group.
Seriously, nothing you're saying sounds like fan service, so either you're really screwing the pooch on this, or your definition of what is fan service versus non fan service is different than mine.
@@norsehorse84 You make a good point- My definition of fan service is when a show does things to appease fans instead of sticking to what would make the best story. For example, correct me if I’m wrong (I might be), but I think I read somewhere that Vivzie got the idea for the circus episode from a fan fiction about blitz and Stolas as kids. Now there’s not anything necessarily wrong with her getting inspiration from her fans (if it’s true, that’s actually pretty cool) but I do think it added an unnecessary layer of detail. All we need to know at this point is that Stolas is in love with Blitz, and Blitz is held back from reciprocating because he feels like Stolas is using him, class differences, his past relationship issues, etc. In my opinion, the childhood scenes in the Circus did not change any of this that was already established about their characters in season one. I do think the scene with them first meeting as adults and the end part of the episode with Stolas’ song and his argument with Stella are actually valuable because we learn how trapped Stolas feels in his life and why his affair with Blitz was so liberating.
My issue with Exs and Ohs is kind of the same as my issue with the Circus where I think it gave unnecessary backstory to Moxxies character. Moxxie’s character was perfectly outlined in season 1-he’s an argumentative know-it-all, but at the same time is cripplingly insecure and seeks people’s (mainly Blitz’s) approval. Why do we need the extra details of him having been in the mafia? I guess you could argue that his upbringing and abusive father are why he’s so insecure, but why can’t we just accept these character traits without the backstory? To your comment about it being a reference to the first episode where he’s talking about “a shitty dad or a mob family” I literally had forgotten about that until I watched analysis videos about exs and ohs- to me, it was just a one-off joke and not a foreshadowing. Yes his backstory does explain why he’s so good with weapons, but I think it would have been more interesting if they didn’t explain it and just left it up to the audience to think about where he got his skills.
I could be biased because I’m just not a fan of when shows use backstory/flashbacks to to fill in gaps that didn’t need to be filled in, but I still stand by my opinions.
And lastly, about Blitz dressing up as Brandon rodgers… I actually thought it was funny, and I love when shows break the fourth wall. My problem isn’t the joke itself, but just how weird it is to have this plot after the bombs dropped in Ozzie’s. It wouldn’t have been as weird if this was just something Blitz did on his own and Stolas wasn’t there.
So to conclude, there’s nothing inherently wrong with these ideas, it’s just the fact that they all distract from everything that was set up in season 1 and the backstories don’t add much to what we already knew about these characters. (sorry I wrote an essay I just think about HB way too much lol)
@@Corrector1Honestly I do have the same concern, they are really entertaining and a cute couple, so it’s possible they saved the entire season, lol. But actually the most recent episode has made me really excited to see what happens with Blitz and Stolas. I wonder has seeing how healthy and genuine Fizz and Ozzie are with each other convinced Blitz that the same is possible for for him and Stolas? Does he even want to have a relationship with Stolas? I’m so excited for the next episode to see if they do anything with this. I’m also really curious about if these relationships between imps and royals are illegal in some way?? Or is it just reputation damaging?? What Mammon said to Ozzie at the end made me wonder if there some governing body in hell that they will get in trouble with. It’s also possible that we won’t learn anything about the government of hell in HB because they may be saving that for hazbin 🫠
As i was scrolling the Helluva Boss tag on Tumblr, i only saw talk about Fizz and Ozzie. And i kind of went, "oh, so they're the new main characters huh?" I just imagine Vivi got tired of people calling Blitz and Stolas toxic so we just have them but healthy.
Wouldnt be a bad thing, but yeah, we are so far from the s1's scope
Of course they're the main characters. They got 2 episodes starring them out of a collective 15 so far. That's definitely how main characters work.
@@norsehorse84 You do realize that main characters can actually shift, right? While it's rarer, it's still possible and there are prob more examples I can't think of right now. Chainsaw Man: Asa is pretty much the new main character, she has the prominent focal point, Denji is still in it, he'll always be the main base char in the series but its been switched to Asa in part 2, as Denji's more of a correlating/side char to herself. So the confusion isn't _that_ bizarre.
id really like them to focus on verosika again, i think it would be super interesting to explore her and blitzs relationship because i really liked her in spring broken but that was literal years ago and the writers have already introduced more new characters than like every minute verosika was on screen in her intro episode
i also think they could have the dhorks and cherubs team up or something but i dont think they will
Yeah it's absolutely insane that Blitz decided to try and patch things up with fizz, a guy he hadn't spoken to in 15 years, than verosika, a woman he dated within the last 5 years and scorned.
@@RandoSando. tbf fizz and blitz were childhood best friends, + it turned out that unlike with verosika, blitz's falling out with fizz wasnt just blitz deliberately sabotaging the relationship
@@RandoSando. This is Helluva Boss.
Women don't matter here.
From the looks of the schedule for season 2, I feel like "apology tour" is going to focus on verosika. I just hope they don't ruin her character... (・-・;)ゞ
Wow, they actually did have the cherubs and dhorks team up.
Except they were barely a threat and got crammed in with corny stolitz shit.
Mammon deserves more than just to be a Valentino copy- he has the potential to be a really cool and interesting villain, but I will be genuinely surprised if Viv actually writes him as such.
Crimson referring to Ozzie as the “weakest sin” makes me laugh:
HE STOOD UP TO ANOTHER DEADLY SIN.
Also, Ozzie can TELEPORT, he could’ve just teleported to Crimson and killed him.
Also, how come Stolas merely touching a blessed-weapon took away his powers, but being stabbed by one doesn’t?
The show has amazing moments but they’re all ruined or held back by bad writing. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
Asmo was suppose to be the second strongest sin. Like what the hell is going on with this show?
I believe it means from Crimson's perspective; we know from episode 3, especially from how he treats his wife and son, that he finds this sort of affection a sign of weakness. I don't think it's meant to literally mean he is the physical weakest of the sins.
As for teleportation, I kinda wish it was touched on explicitly but we don't see him teleport to any location that he can't see or doesn't know. I doubt he could've just teleported to Crimson as he wouldn't know where he was. I'm also pretty sure we haven't explicitly seen him teleport between rings either.
@@dplonker6140 It still doesnt make sense because he wanted to be intmate with his wife. The show is so heavily flawed.
@@dplonker6140 I thought the same thing, but that “competition” was held in the Greed Ring, and Ozzie goes to comfort Fizz THERE.
Honestly, It makes sense considering they’re rulers of Hell so I don’t see why they can’t travel between rings if IMPS are allowed to.
Except for “sinners,” but I guess Lucifer himself forces them to stay in Pride… somehow. In the Bible, he wanted Humanity to worship him like they did with God, so in Hazbin/Helluva universe, he got what he wanted.
If Hazbin doesn’t confirm this then I’ll lose my mind.
@@cassiushellsin6243 He can definitely travel between them, it's just a question of whether he can teleport there. We don't see him teleport back to Lust when he leaves at the beginning of the ep 7, so he likely stayed in Greed - especially considering that he came to comfort Fizz later.
They went from being an organisation that kills people to just not doing shit and fucking around with other characters
I.M.P.? What’s that?
@@akisatsuki8444I dunno. Must be an episode’s name.
this show is cute and everything, but sometimes it has the writing quality of a indulgent fanfiction. like the whole getting kidnapped and held ransom by someone ozzie can literally squish like a bug is very fanfiction-y
I'm certain others have pointed it out as well but I'll say it again here: Helluva Boss is an example of a show that wants to appeal to fandom first and fandom only. The writing feels as though there is a different source material that is loosely referenced here and there but ultimately is just meant to give into the niche ideas that strum the heartstrings of the already established fangirls and fanboys.
I was a Helluva Boss fan at one point. Even participated in fandom and genuinely enjoyed the fanfics. But that's the thing, I want my source material and fandom to be separated and Helluva Boss does not do that and it's fustrating!
im sorry and im here for ya
also same the headcanons respect their resources more than the canon
lemme be a delulu as i only consider the non-canon as the legit ones
You’re saying Helluva Boss is basically fanfiction of itself? (I don’t know if I interpreted your comment right)
For me, it was really odd that when Blitzø and Stolas were kids and were "playing" pirate, there wasn't any consequences. Like, Blitzø stole a BUNCH of valuable and throw it to his father and it was never mentioned again - they didn't get rich after that so they get caught and his father was executed and that's why he isn't around anymore? Or Blitzø was caught after some time? Or Stolas just talked it out? Or Paimon is so proudful he is blind to this? I don't think so, I would realize if half of the values vanishes from a palace like that!
Maybe I wrote too much for a tiny thing, but come on, they were basically robbing an Ars Goetia and they get away with it? Nah. And okay, maybe there will be something about it in the future, but it is too far from that one episode now.
Yeah that was weird
Viv has admitted this hut you really can tell she had some episodes and ideas planned for certain characters from the start but she just wings it with everything in between its all about the idea and not the execution of said ideas with her
Viv got bored of her premise 5 episodes in and just wants to have queer Demons doing queer soap opera drama stuff.
If the writers couldn't use Loona due to her V.A's real life troubles - why not make an episode about that? Like instead of Stolas getting hurt (which ends up being pointless because he's all fine 2 episodes later) have it be LOONA who gets hurt? Maybe she has a serious allergic reaction to her Hellbies shot and is hospitalised? It would add weight to the not-makeup in Seeing the Stars where now her life is in peril due to analphylactic shock.
Show quickly dissolved to a fifteen year old's BL fanfic.
@@HebiHouse Yep.
That’s a better idea have her nearly die and because she is a powerful royal she is going to be in a hospital for months so she can be removed until the va is ready to return
For that specific suggestion they would have to take Hellbies as a serious issue and not just "lmao look its loona abusing her father for the 500th time" because going from that to Loona possibly dying would be insane tonal whiplash.
I do like that idea though.
I just wish Loona could have some focus for once and not be a back ground character for Blitzo’s and Stolas’ “uwu fanfic” romance.
The sheer amount of characters being introduced reminds me of Homestuck. Anyone whos read that insane comic knows JUST HOW MANY characters are in it. Im still pissed with how the Dancestors were treated, but with all the characters that were already in there, i can see why they were shafted.
But at least Homestuck still kept to its characters inside its completely innocuous and absurd story. Somewhat
Honestly. . . I'm not a big fan of Fizz and Ozzie. Their relationship feels too perfect and neither character has been fleshed out enough for me to really care about them. The way they interact with each other reminds me of a fluff au fanfic or something. It's not bad per se it's just. . . kind of juvenile. I don't feel compelled to root for a relationship with a) characters I don't care about and b) a relationship that's too perfect. I feel like even with the three episodes we got of Fizz, I know nothing about who he is as a person. The show has veered so far off course and although I did enjoy the mid season special somewhat, it kind of cemented for me that this show probably won't be anything more than edgy s*x joke humor and shallow plots. Entertaining, sure, but I'm getting tired of it
Then stop watching? There are plenty of shows that can scratch that itch you want. This apparently isn't it, so why waste the energy waiting for it to be something you want it to be, but clearly isn't?
@@norsehorse84 how about actually go after those who 'false advertise a premise' and not op who got severely lied to what the show is about??
@@closermercury518 There is no false advertising though. The premise is the same as it's always been. All they are saying is they don't like what types of stories the premise is being used for.
@@norsehorse84 btw not to dis ya
pilot is literally no longer part of the premise
ik it's a pilot
but
this first aired helluva boss animation IS TO PRESENT what is the animation all about therefore pretty much first impression of the premise ofc this is the advertised product but they thought "what r guys nuts we didn't thought of the pilot ofc we definitely planned to go for the uwu's and yeeeeeep an adult show that no teen(or other young hearts) can digest"
@@closermercury518 My comment still stands. Nothing you've said has disproven anything I've said. You just didn't like the direction they took with the premise, but the premise is still intact.
the “he can get *pipe noise*” made me laugh unreasonably hard
I do say that the newest episode was good but even I admit, why do they keep adding Blitz into episodes that he doesn't belong in? OOPS is a great example but the newest one is the greatest example of why lazily writing Blitz into an episode just to make him forgettable, does not work or help his character in anyway.
Blitz is supposed to be the main character
@@flask223 we've never could have guessedヘ（。□°）ヘ
iiiii mean with all these many introduced characters having the same depth or hammered down theme in every duration of each episode release, i couldn't tell as an audience of whom i shall root for, for further character depth which compares to a slope of a still water
@@flask223 If you cut him out of the episode nothing would have changed, he honestly, added nothing. He only belonged in the beginning.
I'm glad that he was there to called Oz and Fizz Hypocrites, but other than that he really wasn't needed outside of a flashback
@@MusicKat217 Agree.💯💯💯💯💯💯
BFDI was made by middle schoolers(I think they're adults now), and it has 2 completed seasons and 2 more in progress and it still has better pacing and lore management than HB did in in an entire halve of a season. I'm not sure how to feel about that.
One thing I find weird is how the fandom treats the show like it's the best thing ever written, even though several other media has done nearly everything better, For incompetent villains for example, In portal 2 we have Wheatley, who was quite literally designed to be dumb, who gets put in charge of the facility by Chell (the player) and gets a power trip(and also probably gets over run by the AI in Glados's body).
Another example would be Starscream in Transformers, who's entire existence is to be an incompetent villain and a goofball, He wants to be the leader of the Decepticons, but rarely ever actually gets that chance because of his own stupidity, And when he does he gets so wrapped up in his head it leads to his downfall. One comic shows Starscream getting into first command but is unable to win any battles against the Autobots, which causes him to become demoralized each time and it later breaks him, then Megatorn gets resurrected and taunts Starscream about his failures to the point where he wanted Megatron to kill him. I could go on and on but I think you get the point.
bfdi is a masterpiece its really nostalgic for me
@@myball37Eh, I wouldn’t call it a masterpiece, some episodes (BFDI post split) had REALLY bad writing.
LOL, you are right about BFDI. TPOT (season 5) had bad episodes, but after that the recent episodes did fix many problems the series previously had, meaning that the creators do listen to criticism.
I remember BFDI.
First, love ur use of media! I loved BFDI, Portal, and Transformers!
Second, I think the reason why fans love the show so much is cause it feels like Viv is writing it to cater to them, either be Fan service, Ships, or adding new characters for hype or sub plots. And as much as I think Ozzie and Fizz are very cute, I think it should have either been built up THEN we get that episode, or just wait and finish the other subplots. But one thing I am worried about, and have heard this from a few others is just the fandom in general being so, not really toxic? But kinda very aggressive. Viv can do everything and it will not be enough, people can point out flaws and it will cause drama, people will like it and etc etc. The big issue with this show is Fandom, Writing/pacing, and mistakes and un-met promises. It’s a ticking time bomb. There is too much going on, and not enough people working on finding fixes or not enough episodes or seasons to fix said problems. Honestly I have to agree with people saying it should have stayed an episodic villain of the week. And it gradually over maybe the last two seasons? (There is 4 seasons) they can build up on the show. Props to Viv for breaking the industry for indie animation, but hope she can figure out how to quell the monster she created, without it blowing up and affecting her other show.
Honestly ever since that episode with Loona, the Hell Hound dude and his gf and that pop song and the singing, I had a feeling that it was going downhill from there.
I don't remember who said this but, starting off your cartoon as fun episodic adventure and then suddenly becoming serious for the sake of being serious is insanely dumb. Helluva Boss was advertized as fun, lighthearted filler show while we wait for Hazbin Hotel featuring silly imp man and his goofy bussiness, but literally we got like 4 episodes in 2 whole seasons where that's the case. I'm not saying you can't be serious in a fun show, but it's been soap opera from episode 2, season 1
I watched shows that can be funny and serious at the same time, mostly because jokes were not typical teenager humour. But some jokes are just way too forced and random. Moxxie’s past was interesting for example, but d1cks on the wall joke messed up that moment. Very nice concepts but very poor execution. Some episodes were actually good, murder family, loo loo land, cherub, truth seekers were all great. But the rest is just.. weird
Lovely pfp btw :)
That’s why I started watching and S1 has become something of a comfort show for me. I don’t hate the second season, but I haven’t really seen it since my first time watching it
I only ever watched the show with a friend because we both agreed it was bad and something to laugh at but by episode six of season two it wasnt even enjoyable to make fun of it was just bad. Not to mention, Viv and her fan's responsose to criticism just makes it so boring to have conversations about
The issue is a lot of it isn’t bad. Like, so many of these beats would be fantastic in a show that actually had a goal in mind. A lot of scenes divorced from their context are fantastic. It’s just the fact they have no bloody idea how to push a character to change / have an arc.
For instance: Bojack Horseman isn’t brilliant because people break down a shit load. It’s fantastic because those moments happen in response to real attempts at change or moments of realisation for characters. You see them dig their own pits into hell, wallow in it, and then their attempts to, fingers bloodied, claw their way out. Helluva just has the wallowing.
@@realdaggerman105 your take is actually good
the characters only acknowledge that there's something to be upset about, but the show's depth is just so temporary that i can tell how the development process is not that intelligent or seriously believes audiences are not going to think about stuff so, even if the characters did try to help themselves from what's bothering them for so long(or rather on the spot cuz the episodes is really like "viewer just in case i left you the dark, this is the problem for today mmmkay, im just gonna put a red arrow to these encircled red flags~ seeee im a good writer") the episode just ends "it's eazzy ya guys like ik i put myself in a deep pit buuuut i saw an escalator to my problems" that kind of conveniences
I’m probably gonna agree with almost everything you say so I’ll just share my opinion about ep 7 (mainly ep 7 cause everything I could say about s2 has already been said).
It’s highs are hella high (pun non-intended) and it’s lows are so low.
The creepy ex fizzstan was easily the worst part about the ep. I know he’s meant to be annoying and a “commentary” on toxic stans but the fact that he is the ONLY demon to harass fizz and attacks his person even though his level of fame (especially considering his lower fame during his circus day’s compared to now) there should be multiple people at the very least. Also apparently creepy guy is either meant to be a persona for the people who criticize viv, or could be a persona of a stalker she had.
I wish the other contestants in the clown competition should’ve also gotten some attention other than glitz and glam cause it looks like both fizz and the twins are the only one’s competing. It might’ve made the ep more cluttered but it’d make fizz constantly panicking about the competition make more sense. There could’ve been scenes of all the other background contestants berating fizz and (maybe) each other, doing their acts, and mammon chooses who continues to the next round(?) then have the ending only being glitz and glam vs. fizz. A great example of how the competition could’ve been done is in My Little Pony Equestria Girls: Rainbow Rocks (my god that’s a long-ass title) the scene for the song “Under Our Spell” is such a great way to have a lot of competition and have them be eliminated in one sequence so that way the finals aren’t cluttered and have the protags and villains have a final stand-off.
The payoff we get for fizz and ozzie’s relationship being revealed is an amazing amount of support?? Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy that everyone in the audience was hella supportive but the buildup of the audience judging them or the hypocrisy argument was completely forgotten about with the audience basically being like “YAY SHIP CONFIRMED”. I hope they address the hypocrisy again cause for stolitz to be judged criticized and actually have consequences while fizzie just gets off scot-free is just, why.
Edit: So apparently when glitz and glam got crushed by a rock at the end of ep7 they didn’t die meaning that both them and mammon will be returning in future episodes, meaning we’re getting 3 more reacquiring villains… *great* 😐
At this point, I'm confused about how that universe even works. In HH, Charlie being optimistic and caring about her people gets her ridiculed and insulted right to her face because apparently, it doesn't matter how powerful and high-ranking you are if you aren't an asshole. Every explanation I've seen for this has said that demons only respect assholery and evil, and see you as weak if you don't exhibit those traits. Okay, that makes sense.
But then in HB, 2 of the Seven Deadly Sins have been shown to actually be pretty decent people and they aren't getting disrespected left and right. Beelzebub is dating an individual from the lowest class in Hell and steps in to stop people from getting too fucked up on booze and food, instead of just letting them ruin themselves like you'd think the Sin of Gluttony would do. Everyone seems to be cool with her.
Beyond that one line from Crimson about Asmodeus being the weakest Sin, he still gets a unanimous round of applause and support from the audience when he publicly declares his love for an imp. An audience in Greed, which seems to have the most brutal violence and scummy stuff happening in it aside from Pride, even if the demons in Greed aren't sinners and don't necessarily have to be evil. Shouldn't more of those demons in the crowd unironically be on Mammon's side and think the love is cringey?
And then there's Stolas who apparently will get in social and possibly some kind of demonic legal trouble for being involved with an imp and lending him the grimoire. It's all over the place.
Firstly, why does there NEED to be more than 1 creepy fan? For the story's purposes, 1 fan was enough.
Second, why does there NEED to be more emphasis on everyone else in the clown pageant? Especially when it's clearly shown that it's merely a backdrop to the more central theme of employer abuse?
Third, the difference in reception on Fizz and Oz being a couple versus Stolas and Blitz has many different answers. I'm not gonna speculate which one they go with, but the biggest ones I've seen was the framing of Oz protecting Fizz from a sin in public granting him a sort of respect among the audience, and the other explanation is, to the regular people of Hell, it isn't a big deal at all. It's only a big deal to the uppity Royals.
Fourth, just because Glitz and Glam are potential villains now doesn't mean they're gonna be used as main villains in an episode. In fact, they're more than likely just gonna be lackeys of Mammon if they show up again. And even if they were somehow built to be threats by themselves, what's the issue?
@@norsehorse84 The fact that I've seen you commenting to everyone in the comment section is astonishing 💀
@@nohomonohetero7932 only people who are getting things either factually incorrect, or are thinking their particular preferences or fan theories not being met is a problem with the show, rather than the show just not being for them.
@@nohomonohetero7932 I know right?
The main issue I have with Vivian is that she has a clear focus on a few characters and will hyper focus on them while forgetting about others - especially the characters that identify as women.
There’s no equal development. Millie is still waiting for more development (unhappy campers was a pathetic attempt at Millie character development) meanwhile Fizz has already had a fair chunk of character development with his two episodes this season.
Helluva is a mess because some characters have so much dimension and others have been neglected. It’s so frustrating to watch!!
When the jokes on the rant video are funnier than the entire season 2's "jokes"
Your crimson impression is on point what the heck 😂😂❤
Also I always appreciated your videos ForcedPositivity, I respect that you have unbiased opinions. If you say something negative, it's not because you're jumping on a bandwagon. If you say something positive, it's not because you're trying to placate the... frankly rabid fanbase. I used to think the show was interesting, I loved Truthseekers. It was such a cool exploration of Blitz's character, now... what the fuck is he even doing in season 2. There's a flashback for him, then he has a zany adventure on Earth, gets beaten up by his daughter, fucks Moxxie/Millie's ex, 'he can get hurt?', does not reconcile with his sister, but does reconcile with Fizz. He doesn't feel like the main character anymore.
How does he not feel like the main character anymore? Is the main character supposed to have the most screen time and lines in literally every single episode? He still feels like the main character to me. What am I missing here?
@@norsehorse84nothing. You just have a differing opinion.
Its not even about IMP anymore like wasnt the concept about their murder business?
what rubs me diffrent is the fact that helluva boss isn't about I.M.P anymore;
i love learning all the lore and such but it's just kinda everywhere,
then I gotta wait months for more story and itll not even be followng the same point, they put ozzy fizz in-between learning about stolas and blitz and the IMP hasn't really been around at all because we're so side tracked with ozzy
Izzy is coooooollll and all it's just very scatterbrained
Viv is known to be a scatterbrain.
then I guess it was a wise choice to abandon the show after "Western Energy"
@@AbrasiousProductions Im still watching it. The greed episode was so much better.
@@AbrasiousProductions I hated the show after the pilot. Its like Fairy Odd Parents again. History is repeating itself.
@@Featheryfaith7 I've completely given up on it, I can't handle the pain of another show I love declining, rick & morty, the walking dead, Dallas.. all shows I loved that went right down the tubes
The lame excuse of "Helluva Boss is for the boys and Hazbin Hotel is for the girls" is just jarring. Why can't Viv just.. develop her characters? I can't believe we know more about Fizz, more than we know about Millie/Loona.
i def agree with you on their inconsistencies in wrapping up character arcs and addressing conflicts in the series. when striker showed up and was revealed to be working with crimson, i felt super underwhelmed because it just feels like they suddenly remember certain characters exist and then just throw them in the script along with an entirely new threat and it's just ???? also when you said that the show isn't even blitzø focused anymore, i felt the exact. same. way. everything now just feels unplanned and rushed. like the people writing it can't decide if they want it to be a romance show or an action-comedy show ://
the only episodes i liked so far in s2 was the latest one and that's really only because of the fish girls' song. mammon felt underwhelming too (mostly design-wise)
The party cheese salad footage was FOUL but it really does summarize the show atm 💀
I wanna know what happened tk the cherubs, Where are they at on earth?
vivzie does have a character problem and likes them too much. the reason why Chaz died is too show that "no character is safe from death" but that doesn't make sense because Chaz has only been shown in 1 episode and there's nothing interesting about him so how is the audience going to get scared or shocked about chaz dying. also remember those bitchy jester twins (I'm pretty sure their names are Glizz & Glam) who hate fizz well apparently the writers confirmed that they'll be coming back. like don't get me wrong I do like the glizz & glam but I feel like they should've been a background character or a onetime character who had a major role in an episode but was never seen ever agian because the last thing this show needs is more characters (especially villains who aren't a threat to the characters)
Judging from the titles for the upcoming episodes for Season 2, it seems like the cherubs and dhork are gonna be absent in season 2. I mean the dorks alone feel like pretty pointless antagonists as 1, Helluva Boss mostly takes place in hell and 2, there are plenty of instances where the imp are out in public with no issue heck in Unhappy Campers, Moxxie and Millie were in the human world for a week with no sign of dhork.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Dhorks come back, but the question is if their reappearance will be anything interesting or contribute to a long term plotline, or if it'll just be a one-off. The variety of antagonists in season 1 makes it feel like the writers were throwing things at a way to see what stuck, and the dhorks ended up getting left by the wayside.
I never would've expected Moxxie to feel this strongly about this show
I laughed way harder than I should’ve at that.
Animators been hard carrying this season man
It’s really frustrating for me because I personally have loved Vivzie’s stuff since I was a pre-teen, during her hazbin hotel livestreams and the creation of the pilot. And when helluva boss first came out, I was so excited and I loved it so much. But it feels like everything I loved about it is slowly getting sucked out of the show. I wish it just stuck with episodic villain of the week stuff, with most episodes surrounding IMP carrying out a hit, with emotional beats sometimes, when warranted. But instead now it’s like a “serious drama” with so much in your face kinda mid comedy that ruins the tone of any kind of tension. And I’m sorry, as much as I like Fizz and his relationship with Asmodeus… why is he suddenly a main character?? Like Vivzie, fix your already flawed main characters before suddenly shoving your background OC you’re all of a sudden fixated on to the forefront.
Honestly, Fizzarolli could have his own show (not that I would mind but side characters shouldn't have more to them than your mains do).
THAT CRIMSON IMPRESSION WAS GENUINELY SO GOOD THAT CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD
Woah you are totally right! Something was irking me in ep 6 OOPS, and i couldn't put my finger on it.. you made me realize it was A) jumping to a totally healed Stolas (without any mention of the trauma or recovery) and B) Stolas sees Striker in the ransom clip! And has virtually no reaction, just his "oo I like words" bit
Now that I have it pieced together, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Thank you for your service
Y'know, now that I think about it Helluva Boss should have started on Blitzo's Journey to establish his company.
Blitzo would be this eccentric character who kept taking risks and leads him to crazy hijinks in an episode would be fun.
We could explore how Blitzo met Moxie then how Moxie met Millie, their relationship blooms.
And if it came up to the point where Blitzo have to get the Grimoire from Stolas, then once he gets it made a deal, see Moxie and Millie's genuine love makes him question his relationship with Stolas and as always he avoids those feelings, (Will be one of the mysteries of the series, that gets unravelled along the way.)
Then Loona gets adopted, then so on and on.
This is how you'd properly put the supposed found family theme of HB into effect! By building things up slowly, having the cast bond and learn things along the way together. Truly character driven! As of now, the plot just has no direction. In S1 for awhile though, the found family theme was being reinforced- now I can't see anything but Stolitz & melodrama in the plot
When Blitzo had his emotional trip based on events and characters we met in other episodes (along with some foreshadowing) in episode 6 I cried for hours
When Fizz quit his job and left his abusive boss that he apperantly had for 15 straight years I felt nothing
why was the crimson impersonation almost good
The pacing is crazy in Helluva boss.
It’s like they want to get all their good ideas out right away instead of making everything make sense. D.O.R.K.S. should’ve been at the end of the series, it would’ve been a great ending plot and wrapped up the series nicely. They should’ve made Asmodeus’ and Fizz’s relationship become public later in the series because it would’ve made for some better plot points or episode ideas. Also, Blitz and Fizzy’s relationship should have been slower too. That way, they could’ve delved deeper into everything and instead of the “My mom died in a fire so I have it worse/equally bad” thing was a shit way to fix their friendship. It seems like the Helluva boss team is just way too excited and it makes the series feel confusing, unsatisfying, and frustrating.
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO AGREES WITH ME, THREE EPISODES IN AND IM SUPPOSED TO GIVE A FUCK ABOUT FIZZ???
this is kinda the problem I had with Disenchantment season 2, they took an episodic approach with 50 different irrelevant side-plots while not having any connective tissue between the episodes
To build on your one piece comparison, one thing that I've noticed about not just Helluva, but a LOT of shows that are story driven is this need to BE story driven for. Like. No real reason. Without a proper hook, either.
Like, for example, Gravity Falls has a good hook. Dipper wants to find the author of the journals and solve the big mysteries of gravity falls. Horse in Centaurworld wants to get back home. Kid Cosmic wants to become a superhero by collecting the cosmic stones.
But with Helluva Boss, there was no hook. It was a concept designed to be episodic, I'm sorry but it really felt like that. The pilot and first few episodes didn't feel like they were setting up a story, they felt like they were supposed to make you laugh, first and foremost. But now, there's just this complete lack of focus ENTIRELY. Like. What even is the main plot supposed to be? Usually there's a main plot, with little b plots and threads around it that go around and get tied up eventually, but what is the main plot for Helluva and what isn't?
I remember when Owl house came out, everyone was so excited to see ThE StOrY!!1 And assuring me it was there and it was good, and I watched season 1 and only saw like, little threads here and there, but nothing that could make a true story. No hook. No end goal for Luz and the rest of the cast, besides maybe getting rid of Eda's curse but that was introduced like, well into the first half of the season.
It feels the same here, like they want to have a story because they feel obligated to, not because they actually have any meaningful story to tell. The whole thing feels like Vivienne wants to just use it as her tool for worldbuilding and showing off her hell concepts that won't be explored in Hazbin.
If that was always the intention, then let me ask, why, WHY would it be presented and pitched as an episodic comedy that takes place mostly in the human world?
I can only hope now that they're not writing episode to episode and have a set structure to follow, things will smooth themselves out in the following seasons. GOD I hope so cause I'm so tired of being annoyed with this show.
Always excited to see a new review/rant from you. I liked the editing in this!
I wish I could find the tweet or whatever to confirm this, but the reason Loona hasn't appear outside of literally just Shooting Stars is actually apparently because they couldn't afford her in the budget at the time. Both Vivz and Erica talked about this, but due to the budget they decided not to give Loona any lines if she didn't need to speak, which ends with a season of 7 episodes, and her appearing in only one episode. ...Also, Vivz couldn't afford Erica for these past episodes but she could afford Ozzie and Fizz's VAs for two episodes huh...? It makes it clear that instead of working with the base characters she's just adding more characters, some of which with big Broadway voices that require big money. Not a sound business model, really.
When you put it like that… its telling that Viv can miraculously afford Ozzie and Fizz’s voice actors. Yet, in the same breath, struggled to afford having Erica voice Loona in S2?
Sounds like she’s doing a poor job at handling her budget for the show when it comes to voice actors.
It’s such a poor excuse. If you can’t afford voice actors then you recast. For some reason they could recast Striker’s voice actor, but they can’t possibly find another for Loona?
Somebody could've been Loona, but Viv is actually known to have ADHD and it really shows. She can't think straight at times and has an attention span, and I think that's what she was afraid of when she can't write at times. My theory is Blitz might be based on her since at times she pushes her fans away, but however, it's justifiable with she has people lying about her. Some they say is true and some are not. What I will say is true about Viv if she isn't perfect and that she makes poor decisions for herself. She probably feared Brandon Rogers being a competent writer which is why she replaced him in season 2 with an insecurity that he's better than her. Just my theory. It's no excuse to have a new writer that is terrible at writing. That might also be the reason why Zoophobia got cancelled in the first place. It's not a bad comic in my opinion and I actually enjoyed the comic for what she wants this comic to be.@@xerox1084
Viv's the one who had been hiring big names, should've just hired indie actors because if they can't afford making the show and pay the actors then it's on Viv for that as she literally wasted the budget.
Having small VAs aren't a bad thing. Although, people like Brandon Rogers and Alex Brightman have good talent, However, in case she can't pay them, she should replace them like what she did with Norman Reedus when she replaced him with Edward Bosco who voices Striker. And that's because she didn't have enough money to get Norman back or because he was dealing with stuff. She could've had someone voice Loona but she chooses not to.@@artistanthony1007
I am really hoping that with Hazbin Hotel, the episodes' plots are not out of place and random like Helluva Boss has been.
Personally, I think the newest episode is the best one so far. I loved how much of an asshole Mammon was, 3/4 of the songs were an absolute bop, and I felt for Fizz. There was so much to enjoy.
You make some fair points and I appreciate the honestly here, I'm just bummed that, being a fan, we disagree quite a bit. But it is what it is.
You have trash taste, just saying
@@nitronerd55You have trash taste in handling opinions and acting towards others, just saying.
@@Dragon-w7k9g thanks ;)
Too bad I never saw it lol
This is what happens when Vivziepop writes an entire series by almost herself.
Helluva Boss feels like it was made with its target audience in mind- Terminally online teenagers whose brains have been fried by 10 second long TikTok videos on their fyp.
Helluva Boss feels designed to be fandom service first, and an actual story second.
As far as characters go, there's a lot of potential. As far as plot progression goes, this show has been unequivocally, a complete and utter failure and embarrassment.
The most recent episode was conpletely lacking emotional nuance. It just hammers in the fact that mammon is awful and the imp is being treated bad, and it just repeats for 30 minutes
good thing I abandoned the show after "Western Energy" I'm tired of all my favorite shows slipping into shit, season 2 has been on a steep decline and this comment just confirms that I was right.
THANK YOU! I swear when I saw nobody complain I though I just got sick of soap operas from watching the DC shows until I realized that the characters said "mammon is bad" like 11 times and every conversatión took like half a minutes more than it needed to.
@@lisalos7170 some soap operas are actually good, you should check out Prisoner (1979-1980)
"Every sin is cool except mammon he sucks" I think this was only done because the greedy businesses and shi.
What about Fizz interacting with the deaf imp?
The show's lack of focus is an interesting argument since I heard that Vivienne had ADHD, which is often characterized by focus difficulties. I imagine people with similar neurosis might have a different take on the idea. To anyone who has ADHD, I hope you won't take offense to my statement, I just thought that it was an interesting thing to bring up.
I have ADHD, and I don't take offense. However, I can tell you that if Viv has ADHD, then the fact she is able to even look over and create 2 different shows is already a herculean feat. I don't know why no one in the comment section is even acknowledging that, regardless of how much you like or dislike this show, Viv's success is commendable.
@@norsehorse84 I think people take more offense to Vivienne's behavior on social media. Apparently, she has a tendency to get in an argument with some of her followers.
@@ThePrincessCH Well I'm not on Twitter or Facebook or Instagram, so idk and idc. And I imagine most people shouldn't care either.
@@norsehorse84 I don't think Vivienne should care either, but she still gets into rather heated discourses with followers who comment about her.
AHDH is not an excuse for being lazy af. Even me with same condition have done great things. You can't just be lazy and excuse with "I have AHDH"
You're pretty spot on with the season thing. Vivzie has made a tweet confirming Helluva Boss is going to have four season.
"Helluva is a very set 4 season story. We are very far from the end but very determined to tell it one way or another 💖"
I'm gonna sound like a jerk and i might get torn apart by hardcore Helluva fans but i honestly dont care about Fizzarolli and Asmodeus's relationship. Like yeah its nice and all and im glad they are supportive of each other but I'm not invested in their story. My opinion aside though, I'm not sure how its important we know about their relationship.😅
Like I personally care more about seeing the IMP business and their missions on Earth. Or just make the show for shits and giggles and not make it so serious?
Also can't take Crimson seriously at all and Striker as well now.
But Honestly, at the end of the day , we should respect each other's opinions about the show. I see some videos where people are offering ACTUAL criticism and they get completely destroyed by fans. Just let people critic. As long as its fair of course and not disrespectful.
The shows entertaining though and i really like the art.:)
You know it's a better day when fp uploads
Season 2 is such garbage. The whole moxie having a gangster dad and a traumatic childhood don't make sense. Mr mob boss should have just been a mob boss. The entire episode makes zero sense and i really hate it. Plus it also made Millie less enjoyable. And just over all it was shit. Id honestly prefer most of season 2 be deemed non canon like how the pilot is non canon. Such as the episode stollas gets caught. It destroyed striker. Absolutely obliterated him because "hah dick joke funny"
I hope season 3 is a massive improvement.
0:34 lmao this is EXACTLY how it feels to watch this show.
A good example of shows straying away from their original cast while still keeping its charm I would say would be morel orel. like moral orel wasn't a big show by any means and actually was cur early but when it did go out of its was to expand the cast by giving more lore to the towns people one thing it did was not rush to focus on one character or priorize them like helluva boss. Idk just wanted to share
YEAH, THAT!!! Moral orel didnt just randomly give one-off characters a backstory like HB, there was a reason behind every episode and the backstories made sense, and thats how you make a good show. Its actually pathetic to compare such a great series like Moral Orel to the dumpsterfire that is helluva boss.
I liked episode seven, there were problems, but it was good to have a pleasant experience with Helluva Boss after so long
Did you hate every episode of season 2?
@@Dragon-w7k9g I wouldn't say I hate them all, I just don't like any of them, with the exception of Unhappy Campers which I hate and the most recent one I liked
I haven't watched the video yet but I need to put this out there for the most recent episode: Why didnt Fizzaroli try to help glitz and glam? They didnt really have any longstanding fights they were just pitted against each other, and if your boss sucks you didn't even want to mention like "hey I know this looks like a cool job but mammon exploits people" before leaving?? No?????????? So we didn't spend like half the episode establishing fizz is nice and caring for others & his fans to drop them right????
I dont know. It just feels like they keep adding characters for spectacle without actual care in the storylines.
Fizz was afraid if he loses the job, he loses everything, even Ozzie. He got fame and a loving bf because of Mammon so helping his rivals wouldn't really make sense
@@promethiada Yeah but after the fuck you song? Im not saying he had to help them like get them out of there but it felt weird for them to have no resolution with him. Yes they were his rivals but once he quit, then what? Does he still hate them just cause Mammon pitted them against each other?
@@thediamondpotato4933 They're coming back tho, so I guess they'll have some kind of resolution
It feels like they want all of the drama with none of the building.
When people write characters, they know them in and out. The audience however, doesn't.
It feels like the writers want to write all the angst and drama out of developed characters and skip all of the work to get there
I think Viv really hyper focuses on certain characters tbh… which I understand as a OC creator myself but still-
The way I see this show is like…like a child growing up. Back in season 1, the show was originally intended to be the funny, no-stakes sideshow to the ACTUAL show, Hazbin Hotel, with THAT being the place for genuine emotional and character moments while Helluva Boss would just be shits and giggles. To me, season 1 is the show's childhood - it's silly, it's goofy, it has its real moments but it's mostly held together by this air of naïveté, the idea that nothing going on really matters. By the end of season 1, though, it became clear that that wasn't what was happening, that the show was going to develop its own identity and tell its own actual story.
S2E1 was when the show first started to realize that things DID matter - Stolas's voice crack as he sings "Owl in a Cage" is, to me, the voice crack of a kid hitting puberty. This wasn't going to be just a goofy side show after all, there was a story here that was all its own, removed from the "main" show, and it realized it needed to acknowledge that, explore it, find out where this was actually going. Right now, the show is trying to find its footing and figure out its own identity, season 2 is the show's awkward teenage years where it's not quite sure what it's doing or what it's trying to be. This means the episodes feel unbalanced, uncomfortable even, it's trying things as it works to find what a meaningful existence would be for it.
Personally, I feel like the last two episodes have been the most comfortable the show has been in its own skin all season, and I think that's because they were spent taking a step back from the show's original premise to experiment with some new characters. Heck, in this last one, Blitzø felt like he was LITERALLY only there because "he's the main character", he was not needed for any of it. When we do eventually return to I.M.P., it's going to go back to being awkward, because now that the show sees what it can be, it needs to apply it to its own self, to what it originally set up. But, I have hope that it will grow and develop, and that by season's end, we'll have a mostly-matured entity that can at least pursue a direction with focus.
To bring my interpretation back to the content of this video, I think it's telling that you couldn't really pin down what the thesis statement of this show was at the start, like, what is the main character's end goal? It was because the show didn't really have one to begin with, and it didn't think it wanted or needed to have one. Now, though, things have changed, we're in the middle of a transition, and that's why I'm being patient and just enjoying the ride, flaws and all. If season 3 rolls around and things are no better, THEN I'll start giving this show side-eye, because at that point it'll be the adult who refuses to get a job or even TRY to move out of its parents' house. It's okay to be awkward and uncertain when you're in a developmental phase, but that phase can only last so long.
This is kinda why I am much more excited for Hazbin Hotel because we won’t have as much of a ridiculous amount of characters, plus, that was suppose to be the main course of the Hellaverse, with Helluva Boss being a smaller side dish
tysm idk y everyonr loves the new ep sm
I like Heluva Boss and I think your criticism of it is valid, it also comes from a good place.
We are all so mad at the show for the same reason: it COULD be good. The sad reality is that it won’t. It’s depressing asf cause there are such simple ways to make it good
I think a huge detail is that all of season 1 was written by only Brandon and Viv. Season 2 has a few episodes written by Viv, but there are also other writers that are brought in randomly to do other episodes. "Seeing stars", "Exes and Ohs", and "Unhappy campers" were all written by one Adam Neylan, and all other episodes were written only by Viv. That could be a big reason why the writing doesn't feel consistent. In a show where the course of the show isn't planned out beforehand, it's imperitive to have the writers be consistent so the narrative can still remain somewhat cohesive.