Why the Q Honey Badger is Better than the AR-15
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- Опубліковано 16 лют 2024
- In this episode of TFBTV, @JamesReeves interviews Kevin Brittingham, patriarch of the innovative Q, LLC firearms manufacturing company, about what is arguably his legacy design: The Q Honey Badger. Made to replace the H&K MP5SD at the request of SOCOM, the Q Honey Badger brings a lot of capability, but it's not cheap, either. In this interview, James focuses on one inquiry: What does the Honey Badger do better than the AR-15? Kevin Brittingham himself supplies the answers.
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Every time he brags about “proprietary” all I hear is “difficult to source when broken”
And: "SOL if the company goes out of business."
💯
Bingo
and expensive
What they are doing is building hypercars, not a Toyota Hilux. Think of it that way.
"Why this expensive proprietary AR-15 is better than a regular AR-15"
it isn’t 😈
Basically
That’s exactly what I put under a UA-cam video from Q talking about it and they baby raged 😭
Apparently you didn't watch and pay attention to the whole video. Detail matters, tolerance,...they used a lot of fancy words....
I find it silly that the hate for this gun is entirely due to it looking like an AR 15 when it's an entirely different platform.
Cool gun, but this guy just sounds like he's read every Steve Jobs autobiography along with every entrepreneur. "people ask me what's my favorite thing we've ever done, and to me it's always the next thing." That's a t-shirt slogan, dude. Get a grip.
And you know he had that one canned and ready to go forever, just waiting to say it for this interview.
My favorite thing is the thing I haven't done yet therefore have no idea what the next thing is, but it's my favorite!
The next thing: complying with the ATF by giving them sales records for Honey Badger purchases
😂
@@G_F1 It's for sure something he heard some tech entrepreneur say or read it in one of their many autobiographies. It sounded like something a smart person would say to him and he co-opted it.
I swear, success is the worst thing that can happen to some people.
You made a very cool gun, dude. Sincere congrats. You're not the next Bill Gates because of it though.
So the guy that builds & sells the honey badger. Says his gun is the best ever. Who woulda guessed?
Q once released a promo video of their build process where they freehand torque bcg gas keys without a vice of any kind lol, but they’re the best!
Lol I took it only to mean the best gun ever built, by Q
He also can't pronounce Niche, so I have doubts.
@@natsuccubusseriously? Damn, I thought Geissele was talking about Colt when they mentioned not torquing stuff, I guess they also meant Q.
He also claims to have the best titanium welds ever, when they are all in fact rejectable just by visual inspection.
Kevin- SOCOM wanted this. SOCOM wanted that.
SOCOM - we’ll take the Sig Rattler, thank you.
That decision was not made by the folks doing the dirty work. That was nod and kickback to the upper brass that will retire from (whatever defense branch) and become a high paid consultant for Sig.
@@RavensbreakRemind me, what’s the name of Sig’s president and CEO?
The Rattler likely wouldn’t have existed without Kevin and his team who used to work at Sig during its development. Watch his recent interview with Classic Firearms. They talk about how the design came from their original AAC Honey Badger.
@@Ravensbreak That's not the way gov contracting works, but okay.
While the Military Industrial Complex is certainly a hotbed of kickbacks and corruption, you can't seriously believe that any President makes decisions about individual small arms and ammo...
If it breaks its not interchangeable with common AR parts. Easy pass for most of us.
ngl im a millionaires brat and i bought one, and even for me the price of ammo + can killed the fantasy for me. also the idea that if shit hits the fan the parts arent easy to fix + ammo is impossible to find killed the fantasy. it literally sits in my safe, i primarily use a well tuned aero precision ar and call it a day
A lot of it is interchangeable. What are you most concerned about breaking? Usually first parts to go are extractors, gas rings, barrels etc.
The entire bcg can be swapped to a milsepc bcg without issue. The buffer and stick assembly is the proprietary part but you could still remove all that and install a standard milsepc buffer and tube.
The barrel is proprietary but if you shoot enough that you’re worried about shooting it out just buy a spare. There not too expensive
@@xduwu1865can u buy me one please?🥺
@@jaydubs6354 actually thank for this info i was informed differently upon purchasing the firearm. but my main reasoning for not practicing with it/training with it as a bug out gun is i feel like finding 300 black out would be way way harder than .556 and the price of practicing with it is currently painful in washington state.
@@xduwu1865 yeah subs are pricey. I assume you can’t have ammo shipped in anymore in Washington. I can still find SuperSonics fairly inexpensive online. It’s like 60-70 cents per round which isn’t awful considering 556 is still 40-45 c/per round
Everything is so proprietary they even have a proprietary word for accuracy.
"Dispersion" is probably a better word for describing the variation of projectile impact points than "accuracy". A sub-MOA group high & right of the bullseye had minimal "dispersion", but isn't "accurate". I can see why a firearm manufacturer might use terms like dispersion, spread, or MOA to describe the performance of their firearms instead of accuracy.
@@matthewmcgee That's an issue with the aiming system (optic) being improperly zeroed. A sub moa rifle is accurate.
@@matthewmcgee There's already a word for that. In science hippy terms, accuracy is the location, "precision" is the group size.
@@Mackerel42 “science hippy” 😂 …zefrank fan?
KB has a proprietary word for proprietary on the books in the patent office
Is Hop going to call this out for being too positive and a conflict of interest?
I might
@@Hoplopfheil Need to see a patented premium Hop roast of the Honey Badger.
@@Hoplopfheil Snake, be careful. Our intel reports that he's incredibly based.
Agree…Hop needs to restore balance to the TFBTV world after this escapade. I have said it before…they are a great Yin and Yang. ☯️
@@AndyCigars TFB won't let Hop within 500 feet of Kevin. He might make him cry.
I scored a Geissele URGI 11.5 on black friday for $940. It's sitting on a run of the mill PSA lower with a Geissele SD-C trigger and i couldn't be more pleased with it.
~Two bros, chilling in the hot tub, five feet apart 'cause they're not gay~
Bingo he says it in Video "This Gun was designed for SOCOM" "Thought I would sell a thousand of them then never again" . This is just another HIGH DOLLAR Firearm aimed at Special Ops of Military BILLIONS dollars budget. In 2011 AAC part of Remington Defense. RemDef submitted the Honey Badgers for SOCOM’s consideration, but its efforts were ultimately bested by SIG Sauer’s MCX variant, informally called the Black Mamba, which won the SOCOM Low Visibility Assault Weapon contract. Never bought by SOCOM.
That’s actually completely incorrect
AR15 parts are "artificially inexpensive because of volume"? Isn't supply (ie volume) and demand, like, the cornerstone of capitalism? Sounds as if, if anything, the honeybadger is artificially expensive by way of unnecessary proprietary parts when you can build a .300 blk DI gun for a quarter of the cost. Would I be mad if someone gave me one of these? Absolutely not, seems cool. But I see no reason to buy one for myself.
You're exactly right. When he started with this 'artifically expensive' thing I laughed. What the hell!?!
He's actually right that ARs in the US are cheaper than they would normally be simply due to a massive amount of competition from so many manufacturers. "Artificial" may not be the best word, but there's a reason that modern military weapons all cost roughly $2,000 and a premium AR costs roughly $2,000 _BUT_ a cheap AR can be had. A cheap AUG or Bren doesnt exist.
Now, the HB itself is higher than it should be because we see those premium ARs $1,000 cheaper than a HB.
It’s almost as if Q is trying to “artificially” manipulate and restrict the supply while increasing the demand to justify these outrageous prices. Love Q products but most of their firearms are for the rich and government contracts.
Kinda like HK and the "not an AR" gang.
It is cheaper than other rifles because of fixed costs and scale
James J. Reeves Esquire, interesting...prior to this I watched a video of Administrative Results breaking down a $500.00 PSA AR. The contrasts are stark. The final results are similar. Rounds on target and reliability. Pretty sure that if the operator is not a government entity, most buyers of this platform will hang it and brag.
Just came from Admin's $500 PSA rifle vid, too. Firm handshakes.
Hahaha guess we must be algorithmic twins, came from the exact same video lmao
The algorithm gods have smiled upon us this day
Now it's just weird. I also came from admins vid.
Same here. The algorithm has spoken
Here at Q we’re better than you and we know it
kD0g snaps fingers and rides away on a scooter driven by James 😂
How are we better? Sorry can’t actually answer that, buy it and find out. If you don’t you’re a poor
That how I take it as well.... He is not a very Humble Owner...
I love how you put him on the spot about why it’s better than a $700 home built rifle/SBR. He seemed to get flustered enough to call people not willing to spend the money “poors”. Complete BS. In the end, it’s a Semi-custom. I can build a bad ass home brew for half. Especially right now. I get it that R&D costs money. It does. There is no doubt about it. But there are enough good components out there right now that the HB is irrelevant for me. Must be something they were seeing as well. Otherwise the Sugar Weasel wouldn’t exist. Guess I’m a poor. My safes would say maybe not, so whatever. They sell enough that my sale won’t be missed. So neither of us really care. Thanks for the infomercial James.
He's just another arrogant ass trying to make huge profit margins off ARs. People are getting wise to this garbo, there's no reason to spend that much.
“If you’re broke just say so” is a valid argument imo
@@dansgarage4572… no it isn’t. Have you never taken a logic or reasoning class? Attacking someone’s financial status when it is completely irrelevant to what they’re criticizing the gun around is NEVER a good argument strategy.
It’s all the same shit of an AR purposefully redesigned to BE proprietary with almost no to no improvement in performance whatsoever except to increase profit margins
@@dansgarage4572 who are you trying to flex on?? "if you are an arrogant gun snob that likes to have an image of money, just say so" is a valid argument to me IMO.
I can afford this, but was just convinced to go and build another AR.
Then you will be building a inferior product. Ar15s are gay old tech, get with the times old man
You can’t afford anything from Q
Extreme friends with benefits vibes going on here.
SHILLIN'
Considering how much generous exposure TFB TV has provided "Q" on the channel lately, it's pretty obvious James is well beyond the point of being objective in his coverage of the company. I suppose they can always change the channel slogan to: "Marketing, Not Substantive" if this is the direction James wants to go down. At least we still have Hop to cut through the BS.
I saw it too. It got my oyster wet
The used car salesman vibe is strong here.
You made me crack up.
Love TFB TV, hate Kevin and Q with a passion. Good job as always on the video but this dude is a tool.
They sure are proud of their products.
How can you dislike KB. It’s people like him that are bringing new weapons and rounds and innovation in the firearm industry, if you like weapon systems, you have ti love this guy
@@Thestrappedgruntthe rifle was innovative in 2009 when it came out. That was 15 years ago.
.300 Blackout is only relevant as long as you can get pistol braces unless your willing to SBR the rifle, but the ammo cost $1 per round
@@Thestrappedgrunt i dont have to love a hack. he can make whatever new product he wants but the company and kevin don’t understand the fundamentals of ar design and building.
@@Thestrappedgrunt bro Kevin isn't an innovator, he's a money chaser. They haven't invented or innovated on a single cool thing that a different company hasn't done better haha. Nothing would be lost without Q
Unless you're an actual military covert operative, this thing isn't enough better than a "regular" AR15 to justify the price.
and even then...its issued to you lol you arent paying out of pocket
💯 Truth but they keep trying to rebrand and sell you something new!!! Merica!!!
Finally a comment with real critique that isn't salty as hell.
Even if you are an operator, the SURG program is what everyone actually does, just an upper swap.
No one needs a ferrari, but people appreciate the art in engineering and have the ability to see it and want it. You don’t need to be so on or military to justify buying this if this is what you want because you enjoy what it is.
It's crazy how unlikeable Kevin is.
He’s just confident, confident no BS people get a lot of hate, I dislike him but am prolly just jealous
@@dasboot9471 IMO, Kevin doesn't come off as excited, knowledgeable and personable. You can still be these things and confident. Even if he still had a chill demeanor but was happy to talk about his products, but I don't think he had a helping hand in the design process of his products. He just hires the guys who do. He doesn't even seem to gather relatively in depth info on his products. To me he comes off as someone who's ridden on the coattails of those who are great and take the glory from them because they don't care.
Yup! Only TFB videos i ever
Downvoted both had Kevin in. Odd that!
He’s not entirely wrong though. He designed a good product. They still make a better 300blk than anyone else in the industry. And if you want to build a better gun and do it cheaper you can’t. Poors not allowed
@@jaydubs6354 better in what way? All debateable, it’s not particularly light. I’ve weighed it…the features it does have are sometimes downright stupid and doesn’t work well, depending on preference…you can try to justify paying more in your own universe…and that’s okay, have fun
yOu hAtE It BeCAusE YoU cAN't aFfoRD iT
Lol
I can definitely afford 5 of them, I choose not to buy them. My Rattler is pretty fucking gucci tho 😂
@@smnkm4ehfer I'd rather build my own the way I want it, like with a adjustable stock, which I guess is something the SOCOM guys don't want since the honey badger doesn't have one and Kevin only build the honey badger to have what SOCOM guys want, yet they didn't want the badger
@@nathannorris900 personally I wanted the rattler(canebrake to be exact) and just throw the stock I want on it.
@@smnkm4ehfer Exactly. What other stock options are there for the Badger?
"The AR15 is artificially inexpensive because of volume."
TIL that Economies of Scale are "artificial."
Just look at psa, so artificial they can hardly keep their doors open.
All I kept thinking about was the recent interview with the owner of PSA who claimed all other AR manufacturers were overcharging
All overcharge. The people that work for the gucci factories make less than the workers at PSA@@z0phi3l
buy this basically same product thats needlessly much more expensive than common versions of this product, because when lots of people are competing making a product - thus reducing the price close to the necessary cost of making a good product - thats "artificial".
He just talked himself outta a few sales..bottom line..it's expensive...we get it..
@stevem4783 Man he don’t gaf if you buy it or not lol
"An AR-15 is artificially inexpensive because of volume" - guy trying to tell you economy of scale is bad
I think I'll go buy a $500 that's worth $3000, hard to beat that ROI.
" 100 times more accurate and a 1000 times more lethal"
Sounds like a real professional 😂😂😂
Million times 😂
My face when a dude takes 4 shots of 9mm to the chest but walks it off because I wasn't using a meta caliber
Yeah, he's comparing a rifle round designed to be more lethal and more accurate than 9mm..... to 9mm. No shit it's better in the ways it was DESIGNED to be
@@kalenordmeyer7026 Thats what i wrote 3 weaks ago..."Wow he developed something thats better then a gun that is 60 years old and have a much weaker caliber 😅. What a hero😁"
"is this $3000 AR better than this other $500 AR?".....ok? im not gonna buy it, especially when ammo is a dollar per shot.
Reload. You can make triple the ammo
@TheDkb427 the thing is that takes time and even still it won't be cheaper than 5.56 to make
@@sethblanton911 no it's def not cheaper than 556 but you can make it cheaper. Think I'm at 55¢ for vmax compared to $1. I like to tinker tho so there's that
@@TheDkb427 Ugly truth is that reloading is only cost effective if you value your own time at a very low hourly rate. Many people make $40 per hour and have overtime available would be better served by working extra hours at work and then buying ammo.
@@lordhuck2689 Not to mention the space necessary and initial costs involved in getting all the necessary tools and components.
That thing ain’t got nothing on my .300blk build, the Turd Ferret™️.
Made from only the finest, most bespoke parts from PSA, Aero, Roscoe & Expo Arms. 1.5” groups & 100% reliable at 1/8 the price.
The one, the only, South Mississippi’s legendary Turd Ferret™️
😂
It needs to be 1,000,000% reliable though.
I'll take 2 please.
@@chaseeason6789 sorry, it’s only 999,999% reliable. Missed it by that much.🤏
That’s funny! I call mine the syrup ferret.
This comments section is pure proprietary gold.
Why are you guys too funny...
@@Tential1 That information is proprietary.
“My guns the best gun ever, nothing is better than me, and if you disagree you must be poor”
What a jackass 😂
What's crazy is he wont even ENTERTAIN the idea that a product he creates has any cons at all.
It really got worse every time he opened his mouth
The gun is ass though.
- A former Honey Badger owner
Does that mean it's "shit" or "the shit"?
@@rob6850"shit"
Why? Just mildly curious.
@@YippeeKiYayMrFalconbecause the buffer system and cheek weld suck. The gun as a whole is not worth more than $500
I concur as a former HB SD owner. Sucked ass and sold it 2-3 months later
He's very invested in making an expensive version of something that already exists in bulk for cheaper.
Poor people when better products exist 😡😡
This is perfect for the "I have so much money I dont know what to do with it all" guy.
AKA the government?
@AndrewDasilvaPLT Yup the government has OUR money.
@@daftpanda6533stop complaining and continue being tax cattle
The whole "artificially inexpensive" due to volume produced for AR-15's doesn't make a lot of sense. Isn't that just basic supply and demand alongside refined manufacturing methods?
Economies of scale isn't "artificial" the dude is just an obtuse jerk.
He's too busy glazing SOCOM's tip to care
@@iansanchez331meanwhile socom disnt buy these, the sig rattler is the pdw and the other 300blk upper program SURG doesn’t have q as a contender
Doesn't make sense. . . then you point to supply and demand. . . Which is it
Makes perfect sense every single ar15 company from Anderson to knight’s armament pushes out the same low quality shit in insanely large batches, if there was a store with just a single part from every single company that makes shit like uppers or lowers you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference and there would almost be an infinite catalog to choose from go to any gun shop, they’re full of the same exact boring ar15s where the only difference is the name stamped on the side and possibly barrel lengths Daniel defense, knight’s armament, bcm are all overpriced run of the mill ar15 sellers don’t even try to call me out cause I’ve got a knights armament 556 and compared to the ar15 I built with parts from Anderson, psa, and aero it’s shit, and compared to my honey badger bruh you literally can’t compare them
"It's not an AR15. It's an AR15 with everything slightly out of spec. That way its user have to buy parts from us."
7:00 Even the owner understands the reality of production, "even if our guys come in hungover". I'd rather not think that is a possibility for a $3000 gun.
The dissent from cmmg blows this garbage out of the water
Lol cmmg is dogshit 😂 enjoy that 1:7 twist
Nothing is more arrogant than the way he speaks of the MP5. With the right ammo, they are incredibly accurate.
I'd argue with any ammo, unfortunately they can have spent brass get stuck inside the lower receiver rendering them useless in a critical situation. This is why I will not use any MP5 or clone for any serious purpose, and why I sold mine.
He calls people internet heroes but would fight people and block people in the comments so much and was such an asshole that they removed him as CEO.
He's such a jerkoff he automatically equates somebody saying "this isn't worth the price" to "they're trashing it because they can't afford it."
Nope, that's not how that works. Especially when your product IS insanely overpriced.
He seems kinda sensitive.
@@erroneous6947he can dish it but he can’t take it at all. He got roasted for the welds on his cans and had a melt down.
There's been a LOT of critical posts on this video disappearing...
@@stevem4783damn that’s surprising! Bc there is a LOT of critical posts still here lolololol
Instead of letting his half decent product speak for itself he chooses to do all the talking and make you hate him AND his product along the way due to his straight up douchiness.
Spot on. 👍🏻
You salty poors lol
@@railfanningpoints2.045 It's the same price as a KAC with way worse QC.
You spent money on marketing and hype instead of ammo, it'll reflect in your groups.
@@railfanningpoints2.045 Cope over your bad purchase loser. My rifles are all KAC , URGI's, and SIG Rattler LT's that cost the same or more. This is a gimmicky proprietary AR15 from a company who can't weld their suppressors correctly, got rejected from the SOCOM project they made it for, and have overheating rusting rails from improper tolerance testing lol.
Yet the honey badger sells so well they have problems pushing enough out to keep stores stocks up
All this proprietary stuff and SIG still got the contract for the MCX back in the day.
While he was working at Sig
The rattler wins any day of the week because of the ecosystem of modularity Sig has created with the MCX platform VS everything being proprietary with the Honey Badger. And modularity is a HUGE PLUS when it comes to the military.
@@AJ-xc4nmit also looks cooler and doesn't burn your fuckin hand if you don't wear gloves lol.
@AJ-xc4nm the irony. Almost anything that's proprietary on the Sig, is proprietary on the Q.
@Jessersadler but sig has the mcx ecosystem that they created to back it up...
"An AR-15 is artificially inexpensive because of volume" is an incredible quote. That's literally the whole point of the industrial revolution and there's nothing artificial about it. It's how humans have evolved for millennia. We went from foraging to farming, hunting to husbandry. All in the name of procuring more at a lower cost to us all. There's nothing wrong with bespoke or custom things for people with enough disposable income to purchase them, but don't shit on what, arguably, is humankind's most incredible achievement - a higher standard of living.
Yes and when you want something quality made you pay more, it’s an incredibly easy concept to understand unless you’re the poor
I don't know why I clicked this video. I really don't. I came to argue, but now I realize that I can just click a different video instead.
Sometimes, you just want to talk trash on someone. Sometimes, there are videos like these that have people with easy targets
If it has proprietary parts, it's not better. Have fun repairing it in a jam. but at least you're cool.
Right
Yeah like my fx9 it's not 100% interchangable. Still cool just not feasible
I bought this gun because it doesn’t jam
It doesn’t have jams
Repairing it "in a jam"...Like a predicament or a part failure.
People who buy this are the same people who would go to salt bae's restaurant
I mean bros food is prolly better than the McDonald’s you eat 4 times a week, my honey badger shoots just fine too
I mean... It is an ar15? 🤣 The gun costs $3000 cause it's not mass produced... Oh and because we want a 300% profit margin to make up for R&D within 10000 units sold rather than 100000 units.
It's so dumb when they say things like, the criticism is cause we can't afford it... Most of us can afford your gun, it's not that it costs a lot, is that it doesn't have that much value. I never complained about my $12000 50bmg or $6000 2011 that I got to talk to the gunsmith myself as he was hand building it and picked my serial number.. but an AR is an AR that's also an AR so it should cost AR
I agree when you said "because we want a 300% profit margin to make up for R&D within 10000 units sold rather than 100000 units."
If they reduced the price by like $1-1.2k they would probably sell significantly more and recoup their engineering costs a lot quicker.
Also like you said, I can afford a Q, I just don't want to blow $3k on a "proprietary" AR when I could assemble something equivalent for $1200 and spend the other $1800 on ammo or a sick vacation.
Bingo. I've had 1911's worth 2 of this gun, but the owner of the company didn't call everyone a poor for not buying his product either.
I missed that he said 300% LOL
We reinvented the wheel and made this rifle thats 3x the cost of equivalent rifles. Why? So that we could tell people we did. Because its "the best". My source? My source is that i made it the fk up.
SOCOM and his proprietary disperment against the poors, that's his source. The dude is a DB for sure.
@@s.simm93 SOCOM wouldn't be a very good source either considering they turned him down and took the SIG Rattler LT. Q didn't even make it to selection in the new SURG weapon program.
Flip flopas in a factory woof
I can absolutely guarantee you can build a better, less proprietary, less expensive weapon that fills the same niche as this thing. Its overpriced, overly difficult to source replacement parts for, and the mismatched finishes are ugly. That last one is just me though. The only real positives are the familiar manual of arms and the weight.
It is an ar 15 and there is nothing you can say to change that
By the time I pay all my scientists, all my research department, lab coats,
They say baby Billy well why do you do it?
😂😂😂 I can picture this guy yelling at his staff, “Go outside, nerd! Go on, git! I ain’t got time to be distracted by your worthless chime ins!”
I have a hard time taking a man seriously if he's wearing flip flops.
Ahem, tactical flip flops.
Same dude.
@@usarms149 Proprietary tactical flip flops*
The real reason the honey badger is better than the ar-15 is because it looks like an ar-15 but it lacks all of the aftermarket support that the ar-15 has, which is why it's so popular. Also, with it being all proprietary, Q is the only company offering support for the rifle.
It's like when a war movie says "inspired by real world events" but then tries to play it off like it actually happened even though the script was 99% fictitious.
But I'm not going to lie, this does look like an interesting platform and I might actually buy one; preferably used.
Exactly. Since they make all the parts on the gun, they can guarantee reliability. The only problem with that is there are AR-15 manufacturers like Daniel Defense that do the same thing but are also compatible with aftermarket AR-15 parts, making this a very niche gun indeed.
Tell me about it!! I got the badger brace from my boss, but they won't sell the buffer tube to me, so I can add it to one of my pistols.
They are dope ass guns my guy. You'll enjoy it. They really are a supercar of guns. I still prefer different shit but they are cool period.
@@Trump-or-Dieyou need a specific upper and lower to use the honey badger brace and stock. Only Q and Noveske make them, I believe.
Basically the military wanted something better than a short barreled AR 15 in 300 Blackout, so they contracted this outfit to supply them with a new gun. Improving on the AR15 is very difficult, so they focused on making incremental improvements in weight (and maybe accuracy?). In order to justify the military contract it had to be proprietary parts and not just “another AR15.” The military got what it wanted, a significantly more expensive gun with maybe marginal improvements. If you’re a civilian who can’t afford it, well “it sucks to be poor.” And while that’s kind of a snotty attitude, the people who are going to be inclined to buy this are people who are buying snotty gratification, who have about as much smart sense as the government when it procured contracts.
Best part is the Military didn't even go for it, he's just hoping ignorant people with too much money hear SOCOM and think it's somehow better, but isn't
For 99% of people they're going to be better off just building a 300BLK AR.
Its people like you who think you're being sensible that give up easy money. 99% of people are the least profitable to cater too. Aka Walmart. But the 1%? That's literally free money. Louis Vuitton, hermes, print money.
“Artificially inexpensive”, that’s a new one. 😊
Honey badger being better than an AR-15 is an opinion, you can make a compact AR 15 that shoots 300BLK with quality parts on a better budget
lol it’s gonna be a pos
So smart they snugged the silencer up against the hand guard so the heat transfers right over to your hand. Brilliant design. Also make those mlok slots useless pressing a silencer up against the back of them. Genius in planning,
This guy would try to sell you a shit shake, and tell you it tastes like chocolate.
"How much does a Honey Badger cost?..."
"I don't know.."
Lmao, of course you know.
Hey look there’s some fuzz on my sleeve!😂
because of supply and demand the price goes up and down. I haven't looked in a while, but I've seen it between 2500 and 3500 depending on the economy, their production cycle, whether there was a promotion, or they sold it in a package with other desirable items.
(i just looked it up, it's 2999$ on their website... at my local dealer linked from the silencer shop it's 2899, but that's with them paying for the tax stamp from the government, so you're getting an additional 200$ value there... so 2699$ without that, at Baur precision's website, they're selling the SD version for 3399$ with the silencer, so that's an additional 1000$ value, since the cans, on sale are about 800$, plus the stamp, $200).
Let's compare that to the Rattler, the Honeybadger's direct competition (slightly less smoothness, more weight, but a little tougher), and the going price on most sources I can find is: 2699$, but that's without the sbr tax paid, so essentially the same price as the honeybadger... to the dime.
The word proprietary doesnt appease my end of the world prep agenda. Need stuff you can find anywhere
I get quite a bit of "Navy SEALS designed boutique watch"vibe, while the actual guys on the teams wear G-Sshocks....
I have a "budget" honey badger made with a proof carbon barrel, adm billet receiver/rail set, and all premium parts that's only a few oz's heavier and slightly longer, all while using purely ar15 parts, and it only cost around $1900.
Every time I give Kevin a chance to not be terrible he is, time and time again jesus
He said, "artificially inexpensive" for regular ARs. This guy is a grifting tool. Also a great snake oil salesman.
It's somewhat true. The market is saturated with AR rifles and parts. Which is great for us shooters. . Lots of options at competitive prices.
I agree with you tho, the way he says it is rather off putting. Why build an AR clone in this market? Could have been any design, or combination of designs of various modern weaponry.
@@daftpanda6533 He could've simply said "the free market and abundance has made ARs affordable," but he didn't. He had to give some jackassy BS explanation in order to try to justify the price of his trash panda rifle.
Take a shot every time he says dispersion.
Way too early to get that sh!t faced.
_"It's got a good SPREAD!"_ 🤣
@@DTreatz I read that in Bill Burrs Voice LOL
Did this guy seriously just say that AR15s are artificially inexpensive because so many people make parts????? Like, ok? Is the floor made out of floor too?
This guy has pretty much single handedly guaranteed that I will never buy a Q product
Kevin and Q act like they make some revolutionary thing when in reality they're a bunch of pissy men who can't fathom that someone else's designs might be better AND less expensive.
I gotta say they were smart enough to leave out the price... How much is this rifle?
I mean if it's so damn good they shouldn't be afraid to tell us..
3k
@@OhioCruffler OK, now I'm thinking about getting 2 1500.00 somethings and dual wielding! Take that!! 🤣
I built 2 Dirt Squirrels and a 1,000 rounds of 300 Backout and 10 30rd magazines for less than the Honey Badger and I love Dual weilding them.
Dirt Squirrel build is standard AR-15, A4 upper, 8½" 1/5 twist barrel's, DSA Lightweight bolt carrier, milspec LPK with stoned and polished trigger and hammer, SBA4 brace, standard buffer, ⅝x24 3 chamber comp with BFD, M-LOK 8" Free Float handguard.
With supers they are louder than my Browning BPS 10ga 3½" Magnum.
@@OhioCruffler HAHAHAHAHA no.
I mean, yes, it costs that much, but no fucking way should anyone drop $3k on it, jfc. I don't think my rifle cost $3k to build and it's fully accessorized with glass and a flashlight and everything, zero compromises on quality. I get that you gotta make a profit, but this mfkr smoking crack.
Didn’t realize I’m watching the extended cut of Catalinaville
Meanwhile, warfare has long since shifted to cheap drones with grenades. “Check out this really expensive musket”
As someone who can afford a honey badger, this is a great video convincing me that it is 100% not worth the money.
Proprietary means you’re stuck with 1 option. Mil-spec means never ending options. Seems like they’re trying to fix something that was never broken. Intentionally making “proprietary” parts with only mark up being the justification and not a necessity.
Q has a certain level of arrogance about them.
I'll happily give my money to CGS.
Yeah they are snobs. Act like they are gods
It comes off as arrogance, it's just brutal honesty that doesn't care about your feelings...lol
Matches the average AR owner.
Does cgs have a honey badger ?
Kevin and Q show supreme confidence coupled with success and prosperity, backed by long term and repeated high-level accomplishments un-tempered by false modesty. This turns a lot of people against Q. Many people cannot stand to be around a man who does not put on a show of being humble.
Soon to be featured on a forgotten weapons episode.
Really? “Oh, here’s a fact. Uh, I’m the Wiz! I’m the Wiz and nobody beats me!”
Idiotic tv pitchman 😂
So Q is like an iPhone in the cell phone market?
Uhhhh yes. They do genuinely offer some good products, but overall its far too much hype and smugness.
It’s hard to compare Q to an iPhone. The ecosystem of the iPhone and the honeybadger’s proprietary parts are where the similarities start and end. iPhone has the price of a Ferrari and the marketshare of a Honda civic. I know several women who won’t even consider dating a man who doesn’t own an iPhone. Crazy, imo.
I was all in, but after Ian's video from forgotten weapons not long ago, he basically said its not really viable to use it with supers as the recoil and back pressure is too much, also that you would need a second optic zeroed for the supers vs the subs. The whole concept to me seeemed cool that you could instantly swap between supers and subs, but it seems like thats not practical or that useful? Also that you couldnt mount stuff on the rail further out if the integrated suppressor model had the extended handguard, and it got real hot to hold out there. Also I think you would need different buffer weights or gas system setups to swap IIRC, so it doesnt seem like a quick swap at all. So yes, cool, unique, and specialized. But is it the go to for any random person needing a .300 blackout short suppressed gun? Probably not.
There's no way to properly cycle supers and subs in the same gun without an adjustable block. Best example of where else this happens is autoloading shotguns, most that are pleasant with buckshot but wont reliably cycle bird shot.
As for 2 optics, that issue has been solved a long time ago. Any BDC reticle can be doped out to make hits with both, you just need to put the groups on paper. Youd have the same issue with every other calibers, just most other calibers dont have that high of bullet weight and velocity differences.
Overall the complaints are well known and already solved or settled.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz I've assembled four .300blks and they all ran supers and subs fine with non-adjustable gas blocks. If adding a can subs cycle a bit more reliably too due to the added back pressure. Yes the gun may be gassy without an adjustable gas block but it will function reliably and have one less fail point. That being said an adjustable gas block is probably a great addition to fine tune the recoil.
To the original comment, if you shoot your specific supers and subs enough you'll learn the ballistic differences. Typically subs aren't very effective past 100m due to them having about the same terminal ballistics as a pistol round which wildly vary based on bullet tech.. In my experience it is best to zero for your supers, which you'd more than likely use for longer shots, and learn the offset of your subs. Also with subs being less effective at longer ranges, your holds under 100m may not be dissimilar enough between supers and subs to matter if you're primarily shooting the subs in close.
Currently I own a 10" 300blk that is my "camp gun" I can use it with subs for hunting without the neighbors getting crappy and I can run supers if a bear rolls in and gets feisty or if I want to take some longer (relative to the cartage), more ethical shots hunting. Its also super handy jumping in and out of vehicles and would be great for CQB/quiet close engagements. Obviously a good fighting 5.56 gun should come first but .300blk is a viable platform.
All of this is just from my experience with 300blk so mileage may vary.
@@s.simm93 I said properly for a reason. If the gun cycles supers properly then it'll lazily cycle subs if at all, and ifnit cycles subs properly it'll be overgassed with supers, there just no way around that problem. A 300BLK gun should be more than capable of cycling both, but not both _properly_ without some form of gas tuning. Even if the tuning is as simple as "subs with a can and supers with a bare muzzle", some tuning is required.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz I guess we can be autists about it haha. I've always been in the boat that an over gassed gun is better than under gassed so I've never really gotten bent out of shape about my 300blk guns being too gassy because even when they are 100% reliable the extra gas really isn't that bad. I get that some people nerd out about that stuff though. I just like the KISS mentality, which I get from just running a fixed gas black and sending it. Like I mentioned mileage may vary and I respect and understand your opinion too!
@@s.simm93 I thought the same thing until I finally put supers through mine. The gas in the face is awful and my guns tearing up cases. I intended to mostly shoot cheap supers for practice and reload empty cases into subs, but my extractor mangling the rims and I have ejector marks. Subs eject lazily at ~4oclock and look great, but until I get the gas sorted out it'll keep tearing up supers. Cycles them well enough I suppose, really throws them out with some authority.
Love the round, love laughing at Kevin Q even more.
2 moa😂? Its 2024. Thats not impressive for a rifle double the price of a good ar15. The honey badger was a novelty for an issue that didnt exist.
To be honest I feel like the desert tech small frame bullpup with an integral suppressor would be superior to this. Imo. In 300 blk.
Kevin is so unlikable
3k and you cant even give me a full ambi lower lmao
Did he actually say ar15 are artificially cheaper because of volume? 😂
Oof now this channel kisses Kevin on the lips
Sounds like someone’s getting paid for Q videos 😅
Yeah his bussy lips
YoU caNT aFForD iT! 😂 Anyone can save up to afford an overpriced few thousand dollar gun.. This is just another stuck up CEO/company that thinks they make the best product ever
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 It's a one-upman's doche racket.
“Why my 800$ home built molasses rat is better than honey badger.”
I'll take my $1200 Sorghum Possum over the honey badger any day
I can't take a company named Q seriously.
I really liked my 300blk AR. I built it to mimick they Honey Badger, since I definitely couldn't afford the real thing. I think all total it was about a grand. Including materials to make my stock😊. Last year, I replaced the barrel with a 350 Legend one, and I love it even more! It hits like a truck, and is very light, very compact, and dang accurate for it's size. I'm using a 9k can, and it's super quiet.
Dude, guaranteed you saved yourself $2k. Q is just overpriced due to hype beast inflation. Its awesome you realized you didn't need to spend that kind of money and you built yourself something awesome that you can be proud of!
@@s.simm93 I love the little thing. Now, money is not really an issue, so I'd at least be tempted to spend the big bucks. The only issue I have with the Honey Badger is the recoil. That thing is not soft and gentle like an AR should be, it bounces around like a three hundred dollar blowback.
@@soggycracker5934I've only ever shot subs in mine. Never thought it kicked at all.
I built 2 Dirt Squirrels as featured on 9 Hole Review's and 1,000 rounds of 300 Blackout for less than the Honey Badger! And I still can use standard and available AR-15 parts. And I can swap out to my MK-18 upper and burn 5.56 NATO. Eugene Stoner's AR-15 is a Modular Weapon's System. Proprietary parts nueters that and you are stuck with just another rifle.
Dirt Squirrel was the name of my cousin's heavy metal band!
I can't afford a honey badger just yet but... So I put one together using parts from ZEV, Noveske, Forward Controls, and VLTOR. It's not as lite as the Q's but it's accurate and reliable with any ammo I feed through it. Great video
This is an old video, right?
Budget or Home build would do the same thing and be just as accurate. This has no value to an average shooter.
It arguably has no value for *any* shooter.
Other than weight. The honey badger is pretty light(1.5-2 lbs) lighter then an ar-15
Dude saying “proprietary” like it’s a good thing.
*"Proprietary" is always a word that worries me.*
When it breaks it's expensive and hard to find a replacement. I have my own 300 BLK "honey badger" and I think mine is the best too! 😂😂😂
Yeah it's just a fancy looking AR
Just two dudes, in a hot tub, talking about their boom sticks.
He took an AR platform and changed it just enough to make it "proprietary" and only he can sell you parts.
I'm still trying to figure out how you can't build the same thing with lightweight parts.
Salesmanship 101=convincing people they NEED your product that is better and life charging twice the cost with no real benefits even though it’s basically the same thing in the end. Consumerism=. Convincing people you bought that product and now you are better than them.